Forum logs for 11 Jan 2017
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A884F230768329AD945408D87431EADEEDE8302334631C7A6CA420D2F7246AD8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1779...9817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.240.254.106 (ssh-rsa key from 62.240.254.106 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (du-62-240-240-106.adsl.claranet.fr. FR) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D264FE4A782D4358DEF7B86FC38DBBCC646039107A994AF2628720CF54B5A80C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '84.93.122.49 (ssh-rsa key from 84.93.122.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/193E16D2DE51B3EE6B133296E9C9BFF4FAEB029386F5BEEDECA6376866108675 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...8883 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '46.31.85.95 (ssh-rsa key from 46.31.85.95 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown GB STH ENG) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E531E8927F0A64F12CD3E2B9E2DDC68704C3293B0650BCDB71F135523E5BDDEC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1789...9027 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.118.142 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.118.142 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (framelesselektro.de. DE BE) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/829C6063772E9125836758B5652D8121DB56C9FBEC39DEA0FFD1955895ED56D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1784...7143 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.157.92.133 (ssh-rsa key from 213.157.92.133 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (gamma-133.nebula.fi. FI) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB2F4128153540B679E23DFF4953A3DB7D0B49CBC4FF35776604064CE0F116F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1777...7557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.193.90.152 (ssh-rsa key from 50.193.90.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (50-193-90-152-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. US IL) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A75580C0D454275974E63C612A2EF7FC8C4DEC6E3A378E465454B87226B88D95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...7147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '168.243.98.206 (ssh-rsa key from 168.243.98.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown SV) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DE58A212BABA9959E954F85AD50106C7821A22BAE9C12D4785C9B7240689C116 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1774...9913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.228.107.30 (ssh-rsa key from 83.228.107.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (gate1.gordonclub-bg.info. BG) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D077DA0025B568E5EDA0CC22D83E17A3407C2712825FDAE50573DF71760D6AFA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1753...8423 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.80.198.201 (ssh-rsa key from 88.80.198.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (w18.wcs1.de. DE NW) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BED5D53C915886269C6A4BA530CB0B2B6B6B22248AB579D74293C0CBD76DA3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.215 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.215 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-215.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68A9E039B55A61E5AA148D645234CCA5BDD042FBFA9AA317AC562E959D6E6F01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1778...9367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.13.35.168 (ssh-rsa key from 80.13.35.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (LStLambert-657-1-58-168.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr. FR) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE372444407C620DD344B602791873CCD84F14D12A832CC86D81A6003FFEBA54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1792...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.122.234 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.122.234 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown NO) | [00:00] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/878B97A91FA5E05957E79B41A01FE1CDBAC9532B924013ECCE1BFD9374EC21F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...7879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '147.102.194.34 (ssh-rsa key from 147.102.194.34 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (het24.physics.ntua.gr. GR I) | [00:09] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE96C19FCC7E93EE8B55E995DB6719C0B5303BB84836F937370A63B1A5A53140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1770...9919 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.136.33.155 (ssh-rsa key from 213.136.33.155 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (www.arkitekt.se. SE W) | [00:09] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5300D2F787F2F0F1BD88E125C905644D535208A148F9AC9496145507A2EAEC27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.11 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (79-99-1-11-static.glesys.net. SE) | [00:09] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E03105A3454B0B84A81ADFD77A73AB2EF5F47F8CE4EB5EF5F9A12562F9F9A945 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1788...4769 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.99.1.35 (ssh-rsa key from 79.99.1.35 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (79-99-1-35.serverhotell.net. SE) | [00:09] |
| deedbot: | http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE8800E4954E2EBC4D95F323CB4F6AF0ABE3A59E83B29449E4E1462222EB28DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1791...9793 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '171.101.165.4 (ssh-rsa key from 171.101.165.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (cm-171-101-165-4.revip11.asianet.co.th. TH) | [00:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in "she's just a friend, honey" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5392ecbc77698966bcdb0f4744218983/tumblr_o1yfuvZZxI1rwxb4zo1_1280.jpg | [00:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: you could even write that yourself | [00:40] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: you gotta see the molestation ongoing in #chainstate | [00:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [00:41] |
| davout: | currently catching up on logs, i r entertained | [00:54] |
| davout: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-10-jan-2017#2226739 <<< lol, win | [00:55] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 00:36 BingoBoingo: Mauritius is 22nd most popular Qntra visitor country | [00:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | i had nfi what joy could be had watching people play with a toy you made out of two tin cans and a string | [00:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | perhaps that is why bitstamp perserveres | [00:55] |
| ben_vulpes: | perseveres | [00:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | indeed. | [01:01] |
| davout: | ben_vulpes: such wizardry in #chainstate | [01:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | mircea_popescu: musta been one of those new-fangled volvos/ford/hondas/mercs that stops for you. lucky you. a family friend's grandson wasn't so lucky when he was backed over and killed by... his own grandfather. couple years ago now. | [01:17] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: i think ima keep it as is. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Holmes&defid=6348806 | [01:18] |
| pete_dushenski: | it was always holmes in my head, and always spoken by that bald sanchez from the ff series. | [01:18] |
| pete_dushenski: | gotta love that ccn rabblerouser eh | [01:19] |
| pete_dushenski: | speaking of better than average ai, looks like some boys from the u of a cracked heads-up no-limit texas https://arxiv.org/pdf/1701.01724v2.pdf | [01:21] |
| pete_dushenski: | 'deepstack' be his name, poker be his game. smashed a couple dozen pros over 44k hands. some recognisable pro names even. | [01:22] |
| pete_dushenski: | runs on a single nvidia geforce gtx 1080 too | [01:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | pete_dushenski: urban dictionary? wigga central? | [02:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601355 << ty, i like it as well | [02:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 04:54 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok this http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2016-12-29 list of blocks like that is pretty fucking great. | [02:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | ben_vulpes: ud is legit fo realz | [02:33] |
| ben_vulpes: | sayeth the white jew from canada | [02:34] |
| pete_dushenski: | your race card doesn't play here, sorry | [02:44] |
| * pete_dushenski | to catch zeds | [02:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | shit it's like nearly three your time | [02:48] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#749 << i'm going to have to start laying down timestamps in my logthing to highlight this shit but ftr: 07:42:12, 07:43:34, 07:43:38 | [02:50] |
| davout: | mitm-as-a-service was gag order'd since 2013. such surprise. https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-transparency-report-for-second-half-2016-and-an-additional-disclosure-for-2013-2/ | [05:15] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600064 << pretty cool. did you read it in french? is it full of musings about god (he did get a bit.. hallucinatory-mystical towards end of life, right?) | [07:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-10 02:39 phf: i once read grothendieck's récoltes et semailles, which is a kind of an autobiography | [07:23] |
| Framedragger: | he wrote this after having departed from the math community already, right | [07:23] |
| Framedragger: | (ah, yes he did0 | [07:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | pete_dushenski yeah was late model honda | [08:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up asdfhasdjklf | [09:05] |
| deedbot: | asdfhasdjklf voiced for 30 minutes. | [09:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes jews are white nao ?! or is this joek because canada is so far up north even the coal's white there. not to mention the pines. | [09:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | pete_dushenski ftr, poker needs no such thing as "ai". poker is a deterministic game if you wish, can program machine to play extremely tight, will beat most humans. | [09:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes | [09:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | the robot pubescent puella doesn't suffer from the problem, sleeps well through the night. | [09:16] |
| asdfhasdjklf: | HU Limit Poker has already been solved | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | aand who might you be asdfhasdjklf ? | [09:16] |
| asdfhasdjklf: | don't have PGP, so not a person | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | i c. | [09:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | apt nick then/ | [09:16] |
| asdfhasdjklf: | big fan, though <3 | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol ok. so make a key then. | [09:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | davout because that totally works, not talking about things makes them go away. | [09:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-505057.jpeg dat disjunction error sounds pretty serious. | [09:23] |
| asciilifeform: | 589 'q' factors, notbad. | [09:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | ye | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | sooo, i feel like translating anyone has a trilema piece they've been wanting in english ? | [09:49] |
| Framedragger: | anything related in topic/matter to http://trilema.com/2014/peri-metaphyseos-in-english-this-time/ ? (i don't have anything particular in mind, just a vague suggestion-of-direction) | [09:52] |
| Framedragger: | also, i wonder what you'd make of paraconsistent logic and if you'd like to write an article on it at some future point | [09:53] |
| Framedragger: | !#s paraconsistent | [09:53] |
| a111: | 4 results for "paraconsistent", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=paraconsistent | [09:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty sure i did that entire series. | [09:57] |
| Framedragger: | ahh. i need to read more. will check later... | [09:58] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601428 << poker 'solving' ai per se is ~uninteresting. the genuinely nifty thing would be a 'realistic humanlike' (e.g., 'loose') player. | [10:01] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 14:15 mircea_popescu: the reason playing loose works in poker is the same reason you can keep a camp dormful of teenage girls awake until 6am by hiding a tape with giggles on it that plays every 5 to 10 minutes | [10:01] |
| asciilifeform: | in particular in re the traditional bot/bot-detector arms race. | [10:02] |
| asciilifeform: | see also the alphago thread (it was difficult to mistake the thing for a meat player) | [10:03] |
| asciilifeform: | humanlike bot will not go straight to 'solution' on any obvious hill-climbing path, but will artfully dig itself holes to then artfully climb out of, like meat does. | [10:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform aha, quite. | [10:13] |
| asciilifeform: | the other obviously spiffy direction is the man-machine pair. a la auto racing. | [10:23] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, http://drizzybot.com/doxes/ | [10:29] |
| pete_dushenski: | mircea_popescu: were http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ or http://trilema.com/2011/voi-ce-ati-facut-in-viata-asta-ba/ ever translated ? | [11:01] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1600846 << not hard I'll keep that in mind when rewriting the component that does it | [11:03] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 00:48 mircea_popescu: trinque how easy would it be to make the !!up for noobs 30 minutes or 60 lines, whichever comes first ? | [11:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | pete_dushenski in the end, i wrote a continuation to hanbot 's thing. | [11:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ftr asciilifeform's puny brain was not up to the task of making sense of hanbot's story. | [11:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway the historical http://trilema.com/2010/femeia-nesuferita/ should prolly be read in tandem with http://trilema.com/2012/oameni-de-a-caror-nefericire-ma-bucur/ | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | very nice two-year-apart binome of a) girl wanna-be woman in the ustardian vein b) girl recounting (retardedly) the failure of the attempt. | [11:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in the same old news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d128a7c747389ae7523933a12322b694/tumblr_nymeikQRtK1uj49axo1_1280.jpg | [11:10] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/counterfictive-validation/ << Trilema - Counterfictive validation | [11:22] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, https://www.chipworks.com/about-chipworks/overview/blog/scanning-microwave-impedance-microscopy-smim << this looks quite buildable, using same mechanical rigging as the classic 'STM in your kitchen' recipe | [11:23] |
| Framedragger: | film recommendation by free association ("The Cineplex Entertaining Cinecenter for Couples")! -> The Lobster (2016) | [11:25] |
| Framedragger: | (or 2015, depending on how one counts, apparently) | [11:26] |
| Framedragger: | "singles are given 45 days to find a romantic partner or otherwise be turned into animals." | [11:26] |
| asciilifeform: | ic reversers sweat over cauldrons of hot acids, fiddle with ion beams, etc. but: one thing i've always wondered re subj is whether anybody's tried... microtome! then you dun care how many layers there are, and of what. just blast away the edge, and scan THAT! a few 100 atoms at a time. | [11:27] |
| asciilifeform: | literally turn the problem on its side. | [11:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger either you recommended that or someone else did. i tried to watch the thing, kicked it out within ~10 minutes. | [11:35] |
| Framedragger: | hrm. | [11:36] |
| Framedragger: | mkay | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | and WHY does everythiong look&feel exactly like black mirror these days! wtf, they went from reality-tv to the same sort of twilight zone docudrama. | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | watching tv people do "creative" things is like watching laundromat attendants cook. | [11:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | unsurprisingly, everything has detergent in it. | [11:37] |
| Framedragger: | the wannabe-dystopia colour aesthetic *is* boring, yeah... | [11:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger it's not even (just) about the screenplay. the actors, ALL OF THEM, without any exception, can't act. can't talk. can't even fucking block. they look like they came off eggs. | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: mega-story btw | [11:38] |
| Framedragger: | (iirc i had suggested elena (2011) but iirc it's of a similar colour palette hmh) | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform there's good physics why you can't have a reliable microtome. | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: laser in vacuum is pretty good microtome. | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | for solids at any rate. | [11:38] |
| asciilifeform: | you want controlled ablation, not slices, here. | [11:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah like a polisher. mebbe. it will necessarily move some of the unerlying though. | [11:39] |
| asciilifeform: | do it from the ~edge~ side of the chip. and this way surface/vol. ratio favours cooling also. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | even so, i'd be surprised if you get with less than 0.1% cutting induced blind spots | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, areas where you can't now know what once lay. | [11:40] |
| asciilifeform: | well that's why you do a cratefull, not 1 die. | [11:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | this yes. | [11:41] |
| asciilifeform: | like normal people. | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | do laser in supercooled xenon or some shit. anyway | [11:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | afaik laser welding/cutting already happens under argon commercially. | [11:42] |
| asciilifeform: | noooo you don't do this under gas. you do it under hard vacuum. so it sublimates. | [11:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | you do it under gas so it cools | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | it cools by conduction, through the die, down into the anvil. | [11:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | may take you hours per chip | [11:43] |
| asciilifeform: | weeks. | [11:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | which means you'll end up with a complicated pile of cutters servicing one photoghrapher. | [11:44] |
| asciilifeform: | http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nza71/?raw=true << geometry, if it wasn't wholly clear | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | (not to scale..) | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes it was clear lol | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | lolk | [11:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform wait so you liked the story of mark's anal woes ? | [11:49] |
| asciilifeform: | aha! | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | does this mean in spite of mah best effort it's entirely divorced from the other one ? | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | quite possibly. other one requires coprocessor that i didn't come from the factory with, i suspect, to appreciate properly | [11:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [11:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | in any case should be interesting once the v model takes hold for novel-writing, and no novel is anything but what it was meant to be : a tree. | [11:51] |
| asciilifeform: | also can't resist asking -- wai there is no diddletron in the 'pink' seat. | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | the "authorship" bullshit / englithment fiction really went as far as it could go. in fact, a lot further than it should have ever went. | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i dunno i suspect poys die with their hymen intact in that universe | [11:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | and schoolchildren believe "female genital mutilation" === defloration. | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | (yes, it's boys and poys, because boy comes from blue not the fucking other way around, what terrorism is this.) | [11:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm also vaguely curious which 2nd rate herp is going to, in a decade or two, "innovatively" write down "his" ideas about the new novel and the future of authorship. | [11:55] |
| thestringpuller: | !~ticker | [12:29] |
| jhvh1: | thestringpuller: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 772.11, Best ask: 773.78, Bid-ask spread: 1.67000, Last trade: 773.79, 24 hour volume: 53763.05431689, 24 hour low: 765.0, 24 hour high: 923.66, 24 hour vwap: None | [12:30] |
| thestringpuller: | haven't seen this kinda volatility in awhile | [12:30] |
| asciilifeform: | in other 'news', 'DESIGN WITH PURPOSE, CREATE WITH PASSION There’s a reason why Altium Designer has a new license activated every hour, every day.' | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ actual vendor www | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | i shit thee not. | [12:37] |
| asciilifeform: | 'parody horizon' left behind somewhere far, far away, long ago... | [12:37] |
| adlai: | !~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/128GK4N.txt | [12:40] |
| jhvh1: | adlai: The operation succeeded. | [12:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: briefly revisiting the ablative microtome thing: betcha you could read the cross-section via purely electrical means. (there are four substances: n-doped si, p-doped si, isolator si, and metal. these are readily distinguishable without resorting to fancy optics, electron beam, or anything of the kind, just need sliding probe) | [12:44] |
| jurov: | or by liguriochemical sensing (i.e. licking) | [12:47] |
| asciilifeform: | jurov: now ~that~ would take geological time! | [12:47] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/01/first-mining-difficulty-adjustment-of-2017-brings-6-05-rise-for-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - First Mining Difficulty Adjustment of 2017 Brings ~6.05% Rise For Another All Time High | [13:02] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: do you happen to have a pruned config for linux kernel on x60? | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | i might | [13:38] |
| asciilifeform: | will take a few min to get it out. | [13:38] |
| phf: | thank you | [13:40] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ecf2a8af1e2db46109fde477b42cecf04969f037eda128c842ec33e8149c668206b7a41e5835b448c8bbbc75ca1211dea7176b6ca8b4facbe2f97130be7e1ed6 | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw my 'gentoo curative recipe' (posted last yr) is from same box. | [13:46] |
| phf: | excellent, thank you very much. that just saved me a day's worth of upfront poking | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | np. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | also there is a script for getting the weirdo buttons on that machine to work, but it isn't original to me, and can be found elsewhere. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaaalso iirc you gotta rip out the intel wifi nic and (optionally) put in a normal-people (e.g., atheros) one | [13:48] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaaaaaaaalso in order to do this you will need the patched bios. | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | (did i post this ??) | [13:49] |
| phf: | а в остальном прекрасная маркиза всё хорошо всё хорошо | [13:49] |
| asciilifeform: | http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin | [13:50] |
| asciilifeform: | c47fd69679ba3e45a009a1cdd8e0093d289af50b902e6ff01fbae8cdd1207425ec4a056c0eaafb53368f0fe416379cc669bdc73cacd0349c811523f4be9c1533 | [13:50] |
| phf: | ooh a patched on.. i take it you hand patched it, rather than compile from some leaked source? | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | ABSOLUTELY no guarantee, it is conceivable that your x60 differs somehow, undocumentedly, from my x60, and will detonate. | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | hand patched, in ida. | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | well, unpacked first, patched, repacked. | [13:51] |
| phf: | what's the packing format? | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | sha512(factorybios) == 41b9eed800968adbfad5c54a295f85b267257acc7d6154089b1bf42f786717a2e08084587cc4a240eb64a2c9c47563129edf6dc6d59db5d1f4e509271511247d on this one. | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: phoenix's proprietary zlib thing. | [13:52] |
| asciilifeform: | originally i bought that box to try the rms thing. | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | it was a disaster, as documented here. | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | so to salvage it, i did the above. | [13:54] |
| phf: | i feel like you talked about the patch before, what does it do? | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | nops out the pci vendorid check on post. | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | this was one of those tard bioses that bans 3rdparty peripherals. | [13:54] |
| phf: | oh that's crafty. so you just plop atheros in the same slot as where intel wifi sits? it looked pretty "standard" the way it was sitting there | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | correct | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | standard. | [13:55] |
| asciilifeform: | https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB16LIuIVXXXXXqXFXXq6xXFXXXW/Wireless-PCI-E-Atheros-AR5BXB6-AR5424-Wireless-Wifi-Mini-PCIe-wlan-card-for-IBM-T60-T60p.jpg << them | [13:56] |
| asciilifeform: | if you get a half-size card, you oughta also get the aluminum extender clip. (about $1) | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | so it'll stay put. | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | (alternatively, '3m' doublesides stickeytape!) | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | btw this bios contains the infamous 'computrace' rootkit. the cure for which is 1) don't switch it on 2) don't run winblowz | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | (it is winblowz-only, was then, and afaik to this day even remains.) | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik all lenovo machines ship with it in. | [14:00] |
| trinque: | the claim made is that you can "switch it off permanently" iirc | [14:00] |
| trinque: | I don't buy it | [14:00] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: it is fairly ham-handed, patches NTLDR | [14:00] |
| phf: | that passed by me, and it looks insane :o | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | and probably quite unnecessary in more recent iron, which has the intel fritzchip | [14:01] |
| phf: | "The system works by periodically reporting back to a central authority. In the event of theft, the central authority can instruct the resident agent to wipe all information as a security measure, or to track the whereabouts of the system, to help recover the stolen items via subsequent law enforcement activities" | [14:01] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: believe or not, asciilifeform sat on a jury once where 100% of the evidence was the computrace nonsense | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | the vendor even flew in a flunkie | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | somewhere in the l0gz, i told this tale. | [14:02] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i'm not a raving fan of the x60 -- can barely stand looking at the tft lcd. | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | but i also can't recommend a better, all else equal, lappy. | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | they're all rubbish. | [14:04] |
| asciilifeform: | (going to tft from ips is a little like shitting in a hole you dug yourself, after lifetime of indoor plumbing) | [14:05] |
| phf: | yeah, i'm just building a typing laptop. probably going to take it to india with me instead of main machine. can't really afford getting it stolen, and don't want to bother with proper compartmentalization | [14:05] |
| asciilifeform: | then x60 is the ticket. the last, afaik, lappy where linux worked ~100%. | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | incl. power chip. | [14:06] |
| phf: | 2 hours of battery is a bit sad, but i'm not planning on "working from a coffee shop" either | [14:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ask mircea_popescu where he gets stinkpad batteries. | [14:07] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc he had a place. | [14:07] |
| asciilifeform: | btw if you're going off on a voyage, afaik you can just as easily stick a gsm card in that slot | [14:08] |
| asciilifeform: | (in place of wlan) | [14:08] |
| phf: | !! | [14:08] |
| asciilifeform: | or in the pcmcia hole, etc | [14:08] |
| asciilifeform: | hey it ain't a hygienic box regardless of what you do or do not put in the holes. | [14:08] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went. | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | (the latter signed -- with actual lordly key, obviously) | [14:11] |
| davout: | plox to recommend lisp dead trees for beginner | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | davout: steele's cltl2 as encyclopaedia. seibel's 'practical commonlisp'. graham (yes) 'ansi common lisp', circa 1994. keene's CLOS. 'common lisp recipes', weitz. | [14:14] |
| davout: | danke schön | [14:15] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 more thing | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | not dead tree but, | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | get CLHS and keep it on local disk, bookmarked. | [14:16] |
| phf: | typically people recommend http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and it's a sort of "rails for beginners" kind of book, but i think best cl option is http://www.norvig.com/paip.html. norvig's paradigms of artificial intelligence programming. it's not so much about "ai", but about some very useful symbolic algorithms, written in ~very elegant~ lisp code | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | you can really live with ~just~ clhs. | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | paip is quite spiffy. | [14:16] |
| asciilifeform: | (and yes, ~that~ norvig. he used to be 3111117) | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | http://clhs.lisp.se | [14:17] |
| phf: | it opens with enough of common lisp to be useful, and then goes into actual programming problems. i think it's one of the best programming books in general. | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ | [14:18] |
| davout: | asciilifeform phf thanks! i'll look into it, gonna start with clhs until i get back to a country where amazon delivers | [14:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-1-11#699 << logger fixd, preserves whitespace to better display phf's glorious hackery | [14:46] |
| deedbot: | http://cascadianhacker.com/pdx-snowpocalypse-2017 << CH - PDX Snowpocalypse 2017 | [14:57] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://www.bikesdirect.com/ << i preemptively dub this best ecomm landing page experience of 2017 | [15:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601593 << alf is very precisely right and my girls use very similar scheme whenever out on missions. | [15:11] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-01-11 19:10 asciilifeform: incidentally if this were me, i'd make a voyage-only wot key, rate it +1, then at the end, when getting back to home, sign statement 'my voyage key was uneventfully used N times and then incinerated' or 'pygmies stole my voyage key K and signed audacious forgeries F1, F2...' depending on how it went. | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | (a properly functioning woman is only distinct from a fighter-bomber in that she eats better smelling fuel. everything else -- same, fired from own hangar or boat, virtually undetectable en route, leaves behind trail of devastation etc.) | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | nice ben_vulpes ! | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | ahahaha check it out, trilema selling bikes! | [15:15] |
| deedbot: | http://cascadianhacker.com/best-ecommerce-landing-page-of-2017 << CH - Best ecommerce landing page of 2017 | [16:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262727/racist-trees-our-national-parks-daniel-greenfield | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | this has ~gotta~ be a spoof... | [18:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | either very advanced spoof or very advanced real mccoy. | [18:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | Real news | [18:17] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up indiancandy | [18:20] |
| deedbot: | indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:20] |
| indiancandy: | hey | [18:21] |
| indiancandy: | ahaha | [18:21] |
| indiancandy: | mp i wanna investin btc now | [18:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey check who's back! | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | didja strike it rich meanwhile ? | [18:24] |
| indiancandy: | no | [18:26] |
| indiancandy: | sadlyy | [18:26] |
| indiancandy: | i kno u did | [18:26] |
| indiancandy: | btc is off the roof atm | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | well so then. investing is for rich folk. | [18:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | problem solved! | [18:27] |
| indiancandy: | ahaha | [18:27] |
| indiancandy: | well | [18:27] |
| indiancandy: | how do u prevent losing ur stock | [18:27] |
| indiancandy: | when it crashes | [18:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't buy it on credit in the first place, i guess. | [18:28] |
| indiancandy: | my friend | [18:30] |
| indiancandy: | lost half | [18:30] |
| indiancandy: | a month ago | [18:31] |
| indiancandy: | due to a site crashing | [18:31] |
| indiancandy: | but really | [18:31] |
| indiancandy: | so im thinkin of buyin a few hundred pounds | [18:31] |
| indiancandy: | and sit on it | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | can't hurt anything. | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a bunch of camho sites that will pay you in bitcoin too i think | [18:33] |
| indiancandy: | i heard | [18:35] |
| indiancandy: | whats the link | [18:36] |
| indiancandy: | of the sites | [18:36] |
| indiancandy: | or name | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i can't remember, but just ask your favorite | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | prolly can work something out | [18:37] |
| indiancandy: | my fave | [18:37] |
| indiancandy: | ur my fave | [18:37] |
| indiancandy: | ahah | [18:37] |
| indiancandy: | i asked u | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol i meant, your fave site. | [18:38] |
| indiancandy: | oh they do dollars | [18:38] |
| indiancandy: | mfc is my fave | [18:38] |
| indiancandy: | or current home | [18:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. well, bitch at them i guess. | [18:40] |
| indiancandy: | thes guys | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | r so dum | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | they no nothin about btc | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | all they do al day | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | is wank | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | different type of humans | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | retarded | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't mean the punters, i mean the site administration. | [18:41] |
| indiancandy: | oh the dude | [18:44] |
| indiancandy: | is some shrude russian | [18:44] |
| indiancandy: | his worser than u mp | [18:44] |
| indiancandy: | lol | [18:44] |
| indiancandy: | leonardo radvinsky | [18:44] |
| asciilifeform: | wtf is a shrude?! | [18:44] |
| indiancandy: | mmm | [18:45] |
| indiancandy: | peircing cold | [18:46] |
| danielpbarron: | !!up indiancandy | [18:50] |
| deedbot: | indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. | [18:50] |
| indiancandy: | thanks danny | [18:50] |
| indiancandy: | whose got snapchat | [18:50] |
| danielpbarron: | <3 | [18:50] |
| jurov: | indiancandy: https://localbitcoins.com/ad/389150/purchase-bitcoin-transferwise-india i am selling some | [18:50] |
| danielpbarron: | do you take USD jurov ? | [18:51] |
| jurov: | transferwise does the conversion | [18:51] |
| danielpbarron: | cool | [18:51] |
| indiancandy: | jurov | [18:56] |
| indiancandy: | im in the uk | [18:56] |
| indiancandy: | im jus indian | [18:57] |
| indiancandy: | well half | [18:57] |
| jurov: | UK is fine | [18:58] |
| indiancandy: | im learnin btc | [18:59] |
| indiancandy: | i kno nothin about it | [18:59] |
| indiancandy: | need a teacher | [19:00] |
| jurov: | maybe someone will teach you to use therealbitcoin in exchange for cam sessions or such | [19:00] |
| danielpbarron: | you should get into Eulora. that's a great easy way to hold btc | [19:01] |
| jurov: | i would if you were a boy model :) | [19:01] |
| jurov: | haha eulora, too | [19:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose eulora can be used that way huh. | [19:01] |
| indiancandy: | jurov | [19:05] |
| indiancandy: | u likeguys | [19:05] |
| indiancandy: | i can hook u up | [19:05] |
| jurov: | yep | [19:05] |
| indiancandy: | u a guy | [19:05] |
| jurov: | yep | [19:05] |
| indiancandy: | i kno a blonde | [19:05] |
| indiancandy: | youn cam guy | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | every girl expands until she can pimp guys to guys and read mail. | [19:06] |
| jurov: | lel | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | indiancandy do you eat steak ? | [19:06] |
| indiancandy: | nobeef | [19:06] |
| indiancandy: | sorry | [19:07] |
| jurov: | indiancandy: but really, if you want buy bitcoins for UK pounds, we can do it. and holding some bitcoin equivalent on eulora account is easy | [19:07] |
| indiancandy: | i ont even kno what eulora is | [19:08] |
| indiancandy: | mp y ask about steak | [19:08] |
| indiancandy: | wanna take me 4 steak | [19:08] |
| jurov: | eulora is online game with real currency | [19:08] |
| danielpbarron: | indiancandy, http://minigame.bz/ | [19:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure, if you eat steak I CAN HOOK YOU UP! | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's this place i go for 1kg primo beef. | [19:09] |
| indiancandy: | where in argentina | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | lavalle 980 or some shit. | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | davout knows, he poured a wine bottle on my head there for some reason. | [19:11] |
| indiancandy: | on ur head | [19:11] |
| indiancandy: | what did u do | [19:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | i was just sitting there! | [19:11] |
| indiancandy: | i mean when he did that | [19:12] |
| danielpbarron: | indiancandy, eulora is a program you can run on windows and effectively use as a bitcoin wallet, without having to mess around with the block chain directly | [19:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, coupla years ago, i've not mentioned it since so he prolly imagined it's all forgotten!!1 | [19:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | waiwut i don't remember this wine event | [19:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | i remember all wine events | [19:14] |
| indiancandy: | shit | [19:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | you were there, mthreat was too | [19:15] |
| indiancandy: | was u drunk | [19:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah. | [19:15] |
| asciilifeform: | this must've happened at a parallel-c3 | [19:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude... | [19:16] |
| indiancandy: | well | [19:20] |
| indiancandy: | iguess u gotta forgiv him | [19:20] |
| indiancandy: | maybe he was drunk | [19:20] |
| jurov: | !!up indiancandy | [19:22] |
| deedbot: | indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes. | [19:22] |
| indiancandy: | how do i join web of trust | [19:23] |
| indiancandy: | againil finally do it | [19:23] |
| jurov: | !!manual | [19:23] |
| jurov: | where the manuls are | [19:24] |
| jurov: | first install GPGprogram, then http://deedbot.org/help.html | [19:24] |
| indiancandy: | !!gettrust | [19:31] |
| deedbot: | hands you a broomstick. | [19:31] |
| indiancandy: | broomstick? | [19:32] |
| indiancandy: | hahaha# | [19:32] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, asciilifeform searched for nitrogen cryoseparator ~once~ , ~year ago, and now sees google ads for it every single fucking day | [19:33] |
| indiancandy: | there watching u | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | it is a lol, picture if you searched 'boeing 737' one time, and then every ad you see after that is for buying one | [19:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, it supports 5% of gpd growth from imaginary 7bn to imaginary 7.35bn | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | or w/e the random numbers are these days | [19:36] |
| asciilifeform: | hey if boeing can count an instance of asciilifeform-shown-737-ad as $737price*$p-of-him-buying, and they also get to imagine that the latter is a positive number, >0, then gdp can be trillion!!!1 | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | zillion. | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu: | coming soon to a govt accounting office near you. | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | hey, riaa pioneered, and probably patented this marvelous Business Method!! | [19:40] |
| indiancandy: | mp u stil in arg | [19:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | yea. | [19:54] |
| asciilifeform: | in quite unrelated lulz, http://www.sunrise-ev.com/z80.htm | [21:04] |
| asciilifeform: | in even deeper lulz, http://retropcdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6 | [21:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ punch-tape reader, made of modern components! | [21:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | until a few years ago i still had stacks of those | [22:18] |
| mod6: | <+ben_vulpes> waiwut i don't remember this wine event << great steaks at this place. Mr. P. had to leave and change his suit. | [22:35] |
| mod6: | Got to talk with chetty a good long while this evening too. | [22:36] |
| asciilifeform: | ooooooh -- that! | [22:49] |
| mod6: | aha | [22:49] |
| mod6: | This was also the first time we discussed your ideas around mem fragmentation. | [22:50] |
| mod6: | Or at least, iirc we talked about it for a bit. | [22:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | From other Petrus reports http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528236/Male-Norwegian-politician-raped-asylum-seeker-says-feels-GUILTY-attacker-deported-man-suffer-Somalia.html | [22:52] |
| asciilifeform: | aha! | [22:54] |
| asciilifeform: | and mike_c was skeptical, had other hypothesis, i wish i could recall ~what~ | [22:55] |
| mod6: | Ah, right. Yeah, I forget what his thought was there. | [22:57] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc it was not fully formed. but he didn't like mine, because it was 'gut hunch', which was quite fair | [23:00] |
| asciilifeform: | i miss mike_c , he was a solid d00d. | [23:01] |
| mod6: | yeah, same. maybe he'll be back when he has a bit more time. | [23:02] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc he barfed during the schism? so who knows. | [23:03] |
| mod6: | ah. maybe so. | [23:04] |
| * BingoBoingo | hopes we never lose asciilifeform to child rearing | [23:05] |
| asciilifeform: | if i vanish it is safe to suppose that i was killed. | [23:07] |
| davout: | mircea_popescu: i didn't "pour a bottle on your head", i accidentally'd a wine ~glass~, at least that's what i remember! | [23:20] |
| mod6: | yeah, your hand got away from you and knocked over a glass, which promptly went into Mr. P.'s lap. | [23:23] |
| mod6: | shit happens. | [23:23] |
| davout: | not like i got on my chair, and slowly poured the whole contents of the wine bottle on mircea_popescu's head while everyone was watching in horror :D | [23:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | That you remember... | [23:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol ok ok | [23:37] |
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