Forum logs for 10 Jun 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes, it decays. but this is why the young apprentice must copy film he inherits, etc. [insert post-apocalyptic hypotheticals] | [00:00] |
nubbins` | ahhhh | [00:00] |
nubbins` | grandfather was a war photographer, he lost boxes of negs | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` i know people who go into seizures just fgrom the smell | [00:00] |
nubbins` | yipes | [00:00] |
asciilifeform | just skip the nitrocellulose, none of this problem then | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | (there's this very distinctive vinegary scent of "o shit we just lost this warehousefull") | [00:00] |
nubbins` | heh | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | sorta like the smell of "we burned down 5000 hard drives. hopefully ALL th customers kept good backups | [00:01] |
* | kermit (unknown@c-75-72-166-126.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:01] |
* | kermit has quit (Changing host) | [00:01] |
* | kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:01] |
* | terp_ (~Guest@c-50-178-42-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | tech eyes just glaze over and stress vomiting ensues. | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | !up terp_ | [00:01] |
-assbot- | You voiced terp_ for 30 minutes. | [00:01] |
* | assbot gives voice to terp_ | [00:01] |
terp_ | hey whats up all | [00:01] |
asciilifeform | very few things store as much (relatively) high fidelity data, and are at the same time as easy to duplicate, as film. | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform actually a cd stores more/better, but | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | there were some people looking into crystal doping storage | [00:02] |
nubbins` | but bit rot isn't always noticeable until too late | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | seemed insanely info-dense | [00:02] |
nubbins` | and while a few speckles on a microfiche aren't a problem, a few speckles on a dvd are | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | one write only, of course. | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` well if you've microstored the blockchain, they are, yes. | [00:03] |
nubbins` | a ha! | [00:03] |
mthreat | http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ claims "average annual durability of 99.999999999%" | [00:03] |
assbot | AWS | Amazon Glacier - Online Backup Services & Cloud Backup Solutions | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | error coding is a trivial problem - to any desired degree of redundancy | [00:03] |
* | mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [00:04] |
mthreat | $0.01 per GB-month (although retrieval apparently is more expensive) | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | mthreat i don't recall, what's theirtotal data store ? yotabytes ? | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | if you want something your grandchildren might be able to copy, even if they cannot read - chemical photography. - that, or ink... | [00:05] |
mthreat | no idea, without googling | [00:05] |
mthreat | bigger than the blockchain | [00:05] |
* | assbot removes voice from hdbuck | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | smickles: I have taken over the bitcoin corp in eve << how much shit was in the hangars in the end ? | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | mthreat well that for sure lol. fucking trilema is bigger than the blockchain | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | the melanogaster genome is bigger than the blockchain | [00:06] |
* | princessnell has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | the average redditor's porn stash is bigger than the blockchain | [00:06] |
nubbins` | these nuts are bigger than the blockchain | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | i could keep going | [00:06] |
fluffypony | someone should tell usagi about that service | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | the nutpacking service ? | [00:07] |
pankkake | glacier is basically powered down hard drives. cheaper if you don't mind the high latency | [00:07] |
* | mjr_ (~Thunderbi@ec2-54-197-218-61.compute-1.amazonaws.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | so am i right in assuming the only career worthy of a man named brandon billings is... bill collection ? | [00:08] |
Namworld | Well, it's always nice when you see someone with a last name befitting their career, at least. | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | princessnell: feminists have again come full circle: attacking a beauty queen for insuffiently supporting patriarchy << they're spinnin' so fast they could be weaving wool. | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | dub: so one half of our sepcies should require additional training to protect its ass from the other half? << yes. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | in general, whenever one wants to deal with the world on one's own terms, one's required to take aditional training, and ALSO be talented. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise, one can just learn to enjoy the process. | [00:11] |
chetty | [00:12] | |
mircea_popescu | this has nothing to do with women. when i don't want to be treated like a fucking retarded tourist and charged 2 to 5 x everything, i learn and use the fucking local language. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | when i don't want to be shocked by the mains power, i learn which bits to put my hands on. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | when i want to make tea rather than coffee, i acquire the skill of putting the righjt fucking thing in the pot. | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | it has exactly zero to do with women specifically, and the whiny pretense to the contrary has only one indicaiton : | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | rape. | [00:13] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@107-211-136-240.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | learn which bits to put my hands on << i find this - in essence - to be the most handy test of who is worth dealing with as human vs meat | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | ;;google the camel has two humps | [00:15] |
gribble | The camel has two humps (working title) - tof: |
[00:15] |
mike_c | related aside: i got charged 2 to 3x for everything in romania and still felt like i was getting a deal | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c were you ? like what ? | [00:16] |
mike_c | like at local convience store at 3am | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | yeabut i mean what you buy and what'd you pay | [00:17] |
mike_c | hmm.. what i paid would tax the memory. but just like drinks and stuff. | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | was kinda curious what the actual factor was :p | [00:18] |
jurov | http://ronja.twibright.com/optar/ can store 200kB/page..means 100k pages for today's blockchain | [00:18] |
mike_c | but i distinctly remember comparing what i got charged to some of the posted prices in the store and realizing (and not minding) that he was bending me over. | [00:18] |
assbot | Twibright Optar | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | a ok then lol | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | you should see the prices here. | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | carton of ciggaretes ? $19 | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | and actually good camels, as opposed to the fire-retardant, chemical blend crap they sell in the us/eu to justify the theory that smoking causes cancer | [00:19] |
mike_c | taste decent? i know this guy that gets dirt cheap smokes in canada and they taste like you're smoking somebody else's cigarette after they were done with it. | [00:19] |
mthreat | taxis in buenos aires are often cheaper than a bus ride in the US | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | smoking TOBACCO doesn't do you in quite as drastically as smoking contemporary ciggaretts | [00:19] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [02:16] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [02:16] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 | [02:16] |
-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [02:16] |
* | assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu | [02:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00085781 = 35.9422 BTC [+] {2} | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c yeah, they taste like the 80s | [02:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00085631 = 29.714 BTC [-] {2} | [02:18] |
* | coingenuity has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | jurov: lol they will find lung and liver fossilies, bones long gone? << this is likely lol | [02:21] |
benkay | asciilifeform, dub: almost needless to point out by now, but the buenos aires public wall paintings are better than anything the NYC scene has cranked out since...forever. | [02:22] |
benkay | "everything is better in argentinga" | [02:22] |
benkay | *argentina | [02:22] |
benkay | gold tongue! | [02:22] |
benkay | no wait silvertongue | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | ;;google argentina sparkletina | [02:23] |
gribble | sparkletina - Yahoo Answers: |
[02:23] |
mircea_popescu | btw, "coinbr requires btc addr to sign up i b'leev" << so what if it does ? once you're in you can trade with anyone else in. | [02:23] |
benkay | yeah, jurov pointed out that it's not actually dependent on the bc | [02:23] |
benkay | although i haven't found the signing functionality in bitc yet - mebbe Mats_cd03 makes that happen | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | [02:24] | |
mircea_popescu | and women actually paint walls here, which is refreshing. | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | the us "scene" is like greenspun's ciclid association. all dorks. | [02:25] |
benkay | the negros were pretty hxc back in the day, non? | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | but women ? | [02:26] |
asciilifeform | 'sparkletina' is apparently a 'key word' used by various u.s. (?) folks who wish they could move there | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | benkay " let me know when it's realistic." << let me explain realistic. if there's 4k txn a second, which weigh a conservative 512 bytes each, at 512 seconds per block you get... | [02:26] |
asciilifeform | (google fails again) | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 512 * 512 * 4000 | [02:26] |
gribble | 1048576000 | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | surprise surprise, our friend mr 1gb block. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | now, 4k txn / second is nothing if you srsly aspire to be visa. | [02:27] |
benkay | so this implies a rather hard fork. | [02:27] |
asciilifeform | i thought blockchain only aspires to be 'good delivery brick' vs. visa | [02:28] |
benkay | and weren't you just harping on the upsides to a size-constrained block? more competition for limited resources? | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | it just implies "accessibility" is about as dumb a thing to think about re bitcoin as you know, speeding tickets for snails. | [02:28] |
asciilifeform | betcha they'd invent speeding ticket if they could. | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | we really don't want, need or could use more poorfags/stupidfags involved | [02:28] |
asciilifeform | 'yer doing 5mm/sec in a 4mm zone' | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | admitting against all evidence that there even exists a distinmction between stupid and poor. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform lol. | [02:29] |
* | lnostdal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [02:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61500 @ 0.00085705 = 52.7086 BTC [+] {3} | [02:32] |
* | bitstein has quit (Quit: Page closed) | [02:33] |
mircea_popescu | so i just did a round of solid shopping. | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | gonna paste the list in here, anyone's welcome to guess either us, romania or buenos aires prices for the lot | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | then in an hour or so i tell teh truth. | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | here goes : | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | lb ground beef, 2lb nice beef steak, 6lb fresh ripe pineaple, half lb fresh figs, lb plums,1.5lb masdaam, swiss, smoked local cheese, lb cold cuts/fungs sausage,lb spinach, salad, 2lb ripe tomatoes, 1/2lb mushrooms, lb red peppers,4 ears young corn,2 artichokes,100g dry shitake,100g maraschino cherries, lb chickpeas,14oz heinz ketchup, half lb exceptionally grandiose aceitunas verdes, imported dijon 210g, cabfare 15kms | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | round trip. | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | ~300 usd (if bought here.) | [02:39] |
asciilifeform | ~400 if you want actual (vs. synthetic) foods. | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | o it's all actual | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | you should see this pineaple. | [02:40] |
* | mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [02:41] |
* | lnostdal (~lnostdal@80.202.59.207) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [02:42] |
mircea_popescu | Mats_cd03: benkay is a queen << ahahaha they got yo numba nao vulpes. | [02:44] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@50.240.240.162) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [02:45] |
Namworld | 300 USD? Sounds a bit too high. Even for Canada/US | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c: tapes are $20 / TB. can't beat that with a stick. << quite true. | [02:47] |
mike_c | i could only guess at the cab ride. i'm a better cook than benkay but that's about it. | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | the blockchain is a bettercook than benkay | [02:48] |
Namworld | Well 15km would be what, around 30 USD? Round-trip, 60USD? | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | no, 15km is the whole round trip. market is like 5ish miles away | [02:48] |
mthreat | cab fare around 150 pesos, unless stuck in lots of traffic | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | this nice, farmer's market thing | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | mthreat you prolly know progreso | [02:49] |
mthreat | not by name.. where's that one? | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google Mercado del Progreso | [02:50] |
gribble | Mercado del Progreso | WhatsUpBuenosAires: |
[02:50] |
Namworld | ok, then... I'd put cost closer to 150-180 USD then... | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld where that, in quebec ? | [02:50] |
asciilifeform | ignoring the question of whether these things ('as printed on the crate', rather than doctored substitutes) can even be had in usa. | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform well, the heinz is a direct import. | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | worchestershire (known here as "salsa inglesa") they were out of | [02:51] |
Namworld | Well yes, I suppose. Canada/US should have similar prices all around. Although certain products will vary by region. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | the notion that the us has the same prices all around boggles my mind. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | all around kansas orwhat ?! | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | "This white paper seeks to put forth the economic and technical reasons that the digital tokens known as “AppCoins” can develop a value in the market and maintain their value over the long term, should their associated application gain adoption by users. " | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | summary "hello i would like to be indicted" | [02:54] |
Namworld | They don't, but assuming a large amount of varied goods, probably rarely more difference than 10%-15% for the same stuff. | [02:54] |
Namworld | Barring shopping at a place with higher quality products. The outlets would need to be similar in both place. | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | i guess you've never lived in san diego, manhattan, downtown dc etc. | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | but this is the highest quality products baby :) | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | the outlets can't be similar, because podunk doesn't have jewish delis. | [02:56] |
thestringpuller | on data Andrew Auernheimer | [02:57] |
Namworld | Hmm, I guess I should consider that. Downtown locations will be more expensive... | [02:57] |
thestringpuller | dat* | [02:57] |
* | poutine (poutine@the.infamous.poutine.pw) has left #bitcoin-assets | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | and speaking of jewish deli, you should have seen this butcher get the steak off the bone. | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | an artist, this man. | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | at it for 39 years, he said when asked. "and after that long time, you'd better be good at it or else you'd better had quit long ago" | [02:59] |
asciilifeform | ;;google just lather that's all | [02:59] |
gribble | Just Lather, That's All: |
[02:59] |
thestringpuller | wise words | [02:59] |
mike_c | heh, you better be good at it or you won't have any fingers left | [02:59] |
asciilifeform | ^ for some reason i always think of that piece when imagining Ar | [02:59] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc 20000 * 365 | [03:00] |
gribble | 7300000 | [03:00] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c he held the thing by the fucking blade, too. a 12 inch knife sharp enough to slice beef on touch | [03:00] |
Namworld | Well I'd sure like to know romania prices | [03:00] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@cpc14-wake8-2-0-cust729.17-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:01] |
* | Swadq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [03:02] |
* | mike_c has quit () | [03:04] |
Namworld | So... do we get to know the total cost? | [03:04] |
* | PeterGriffin (~PeterGrif@73.186.45.250) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:05] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@cpc14-wake8-2-0-cust729.17-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:07] |
* | Swadq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | heh, pansy barber. | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld yeah, soon enough | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | !up PeterGriffin | [03:08] |
-assbot- | You voiced PeterGriffin for 30 minutes. | [03:08] |
* | assbot gives voice to PeterGriffin | [03:08] |
BingoBoingo | Namworld: What, and let the people who death ray'd his new MOBO death ray the Pineapples!!! | [03:08] |
PeterGriffin | what up moither fuckers | [03:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4952 @ 0.00085612 = 4.2395 BTC [-] | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | PeterGriffin and who might you be? | [03:09] |
PeterGriffin | god hates you if your not the non elect | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [03:10] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.26, Best ask: 648.86, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 648.86, 24 hour volume: 6803.40421945, 24 hour low: 639.93, 24 hour high: 659.0, 24 hour vwap: 0 | [03:10] |
Namworld | BingoBoingo... what? | [03:10] |
PeterGriffin | ;;help | [03:10] |
gribble | The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ | [03:10] |
PeterGriffin | !ops | [03:10] |
BingoBoingo | Namworld: Did you miss the motherboard convo? | [03:11] |
* | belcher has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [03:11] |
PeterGriffin | i smell a ban coming | [03:11] |
Namworld | I guess I have | [03:11] |
BingoBoingo | PeterGriffin: Are you that CalvinKlein from Friday | [03:12] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: motherboard << ? | [03:12] |
PeterGriffin | calvinklein? no | [03:12] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=153 | [03:13] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets bash | [03:13] |
* | tla has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140514131124]) | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | aha that one | [03:13] |
PeterGriffin | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii | [03:13] |
Mats_cd03 | hiiii | [03:14] |
PeterGriffin | god hates you if your not the non elect | [03:14] |
Mats_cd03 | http://youtu.be/HrKp8Zx6V_s | [03:15] |
assbot | Mayer Hawthorne - Crime (Lyric Video) ft. Kendrick Lamar - YouTube | [03:15] |
BingoBoingo | hi ===== | [03:15] |
PeterGriffin | hi | [03:15] |
BingoBoingo | !down penguirker | [03:16] |
PeterGriffin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQABR_9gGI&list=PLA932903698A56780 | [03:16] |
assbot | The Sovereignty of God Versus Man-Made Religions, Hollywood Movies & Petty Emotionalism - YouTube | [03:16] |
BingoBoingo | !down PeterGriffin | [03:16] |
* | assbot removes voice from PeterGriffin | [03:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.025001 = 0.125 BTC [-] | [03:16] |
Mats_cd03 | lol | [03:17] |
Mats_cd03 | i always laugh when i read comments about bitcoin on hn | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | Mats_cd03: for some reason i thought the subject was forbidden there - unless posted by authorized phoundation shill | [03:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 400 @ 0.002 = 0.8 BTC | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | that's not very far from truth asciilifeform | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | anyway : romanian prices, ~280 lei. /3.2 = 87.5 usd. | [03:21] |
* | asciilifeform has the honour of running a site hellbanned on hn. | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | argentinian prices, 980 pesos. /11.4 = 85.96 usd. | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | CHEAPER! | [03:22] |
asciilifeform | (described here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91) | [03:22] |
assbot | Loper OS » Tenser, Said the Censor [*] | [03:22] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform wait, you're NOT ONLY A WIKIPEDIA SPAMMER ARE YOU!!1 | [03:23] |
* | asciilifeform unrepentant spam desperado | [03:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9385 @ 0.00085551 = 8.029 BTC [-] | [03:23] |
mircea_popescu | "Another common criticism of this practice has been that while in theory, it's a smart and effective way to discourage trolling, in actuality, the trolls and spammers are the first to become wise to this, and instead many innocent users get hurt, being unaware of what's going on." | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | in point of fact, hellbanning is exactly the opposite of this chan's +m | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | it has disadvantages in place of all the advantages, and no redeeming advantages whatsoever | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | other that being easy and cheap | [03:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it's also an inescapable fact of life for idiots who insist on maintaining appearance of 'democracy!' while keeping the signal to noise ratio within some bounds | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | myeah | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | who's pg ? | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | greenspun ? | [03:26] |
asciilifeform | graham | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | oh lol | [03:27] |
asciilifeform | (goes by pg on his site) | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/killed.png | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | pretty good png to haveactually. | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | o that's what that recode shit coming out of nowhere is | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | ^ taken on an apple box dusted off for the occasion, purposefully | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | mossberg got fired | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | lol | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | i peripherally noticed there's yet another one of these web platform shits. | [03:29] |
asciilifeform | (to anyone in usa, 'mossberg' is a '12' caliber shotgun) | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | with conferences and errything | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | brb dinner. | [03:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 60 @ 0.002 = 0.12 BTC | [03:31] |
asciilifeform | http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news | [03:32] |
assbot | » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER | [03:32] |
asciilifeform | ^ some interesting discussion re: how hn works | [03:32] |
* | PeterGriffin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [03:33] |
asciilifeform | the auto-zap for nsa-related crap is especially entertaining (folks keep finding ways around it, mods play whackamole) | [03:33] |
asciilifeform | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bb3m2/this_comment_defending_bitcoin_got_me_hellbanned/ | [03:34] |
assbot | This comment defending Bitcoin got me hellbanned from "Hacker" News. : Bitcoin | [03:34] |
* | coingenuity (~coingenui@cpe-76-176-175-200.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:35] |
* | coingenuity has quit (Changing host) | [03:35] |
* | coingenuity (~coingenui@unaffiliated/coingenuity) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:35] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [03:35] |
asciilifeform | the interesting thing isn't that pg & co. zap posts they aren't particularly fond of. rather more interesting: the elaborate gymnastics to maintain a pretense of being an uncensored forum. | [03:35] |
* | miaoux has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [03:36] |
asciilifeform | 'reddit' may be a cesspool, but hn is a very special kind of echo hell. | [03:36] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@50.240.240.162) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:37] |
* | hdbuck has quit (Quit: Page closed) | [03:38] |
* | miaoux (~miaoux@host81-159-62-128.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:38] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [03:41] |
benkay | [03:43] | |
* | MobGod (~mobgod@unaffiliated/mobgod) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:43] |
* | bitcoinh_ (~bitcoinht@107.107.187.241) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [03:51] |
* | bitcoinh_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [03:51] |
* | darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [03:53] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-09/facebook-zuckerberg-sued-over-directors-compensation.html | [04:02] |
assbot | Facebook, Zuckerberg Sued Over Directors Compensation - Bloomberg | [04:02] |
* | nullbyte has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [04:04] |
* | nullbyte (~NSA@cpe-70-124-71-49.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:06] |
* | nullbyte has quit (Changing host) | [04:06] |
* | nullbyte (~NSA@unaffiliated/loteriety) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:06] |
thestringpuller | yea | [04:07] |
thestringpuller | fuck zuckerberg | [04:07] |
thestringpuller | FUCK DAT GUY | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | assbot> » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER << all these important things i've missed out on while doing other things. | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform wait what ?! they don't discuss nsa ?~! | [04:09] |
asciilifeform | all i can surmise is, pg would rather not. | [04:09] |
benkay | distracts from fartup derpus | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | well, inasmuch as zombie is allowed to continue to exist, zombie is well advised to not be too critical of the decay process. | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | "Reddit seems to be one of the only places you can have true freedom of speech on the internet, and it thrives thanks to it. " | [04:11] |
* | mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha help me rwanda | [04:11] |
thestringpuller | true freedom of speech? da fuq does that even mean? | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | like the true scotsman | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | speech that conforms to one's priors is freedom of speech | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | speech that brings forth the cognitive dissonance one's priors suffer at the hands of reality is trolling | [04:13] |
* | miaoux has quit (Read error: No route to host) | [04:13] |
* | miaoux (~miaoux@host81-159-62-128.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:14] |
* | assbot gives voice to mike_c | [04:14] |
* | joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:16] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu: walt mossberg?? | [04:17] |
mike_c | i remember 15 years ago coworkers sweating his reviews. | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | yeah him | [04:18] |
* | Dimsler has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [04:19] |
mike_c | this could be like oprah leaving cable. he's not bigger than the journal. | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | dj fired him last year turns out, he started this recode thing january | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | he didnt leave, he got canned | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | prolly tried to resist a salary cut | [04:20] |
mike_c | crazy. well, he'll find a paycheck somewhere. | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | doubt it. | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | he's running in the wrong track with the wrong dogs. | [04:22] |
* | chainey (~chainey@unaffiliated/chainey) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | "It was autodeaded, presumably because of my use of the term “circlejerk,” which HN is quite sensitive to." | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | aahahaha | [04:23] |
dub | gay | [04:23] |
dub | er, gah* | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | "I was recently met with a torrent of downvotes –nearly 100, might have actually crossed that– for poking fun at HN’s incessant we’re-not-reddit-we’re-much-more-sophisticated circlejerking" | [04:24] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482 | [04:24] |
assbot | Loper OS » Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, because basically both hn and reddit are owned by the same dead media conglomerate is it | [04:24] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@c-98-194-250-243.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:24] |
dub | the past caught up and is nutpunching me | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | so theykinda have a bit of an identity issue | [04:24] |
* | jordandotdev has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | like the mercury/ford | [04:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14920 @ 0.0000669 = 0.9981 BTC [+] {3} | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | Shame on me for continually pointing out this community’s obsession over being the “glorious master race” of online discussion whilst poo-pooing the cesspools of “filthy casuals” like Reddit or, god forbid, Slashdot. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha wait, WHAT ? | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | hacker news seriously thinks they matter somehow ?! | [04:26] |
Namworld | Pretty much no one knows about hacker news. | [04:27] |
mike_c | fb95e6a6f3843ea7fe22e08d08b20ead70ee3181b363916439a7c93da9b89c0d | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose that doesn't detract | [04:27] |
asciilifeform | for a turdmeister, wielding the banhammer isn't really satisfying unless he imagines that he's adding heretics to an all-important 'index librorum prohibitorum' | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c wassat ? | [04:28] |
mike_c | a prediction for later. i want proof that i called it. | [04:28] |
thestringpuller | Hacker News has always throught they mattered I though... | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | removing the miscreants from the universe of Things That Matter | [04:28] |
thestringpuller | thought | [04:28] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482 | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you wanna talk about nonsense items and the rotten paradigms they create and perpetuate ? teh banhammer. worse than risc. | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | lol | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | purely 'psychiatric' interest here. | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | worse than anything about c/c++ | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | pure and simple, at some point in whatever, 1995, some derp with a blog/forum/platform came up with the idea of BANNING | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | and it's been sticking ever since, irrespective of how stupid it is. | [04:29] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c now im curious | [04:30] |
mike_c | i am predicting your announcement. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit. | [04:30] |
mircea_popescu | i'll bet you you aren't. | [04:30] |
asciilifeform | there was to be an announcement ? | [04:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00085582 = 4.1507 BTC [+] {2} | [04:30] |
mike_c | hm, ok, i'll make a small wager. i'm not super-confident, but i think i've got it. | [04:31] |
mircea_popescu | can be a bet for charity. whole bet goes to b-a donation address | [04:31] |
mike_c | sounds good | [04:31] |
mike_c | 0.5 btc? | [04:31] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [04:31] |
mircea_popescu | so if you predicted it i send kako a btc, if not you do ? | [04:32] |
mike_c | deal | [04:32] |
thestringpuller | LOL | [04:32] |
mircea_popescu | pretty cool way to run a bet i say | [04:33] |
thestringpuller | how do we know you didn't change the date of the announcement | [04:33] |
* | csshih has quit (Quit: client exiting) | [04:33] |
mircea_popescu | who's we | [04:33] |
* | assbot gives voice to joecool | [04:33] |
* | csshih (~csshih@unaffiliated/csshih) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:34] |
dub | his nick isn't inaba or Luke-Jr? | [04:35] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I wonder why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium. | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | http://aspensmonster.com/2014/05/22/leaving-hacker-news/#comment-10163 | [04:36] |
assbot | » Leaving Hacker News ASPENSMONSTER | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | "But in the absence of some system of law, the tiny minority of users out to do harm – intentionally or not – eventually drive out all the civil community members, leaving behind a lawless, chaotic badland." | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | this is such an amusing thing, because of all the utterly meaningless forums out there pretending to be communities and deluding themselves as to their own relevancy, not a single one would admit it's a failure | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | yet each and every one will pass this bit of "oh, leaving behind the broken spot" | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | nobody can point to such a broken spot on the interwebs, but nevertheless the apparent abundance of such is why every lemming wears plaid. | [04:39] |
thestringpuller | When does something matter? | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | announcement << i'll take the shot. mp to sell warehouses in Ar for btc. | [04:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC | [04:41] |
dub | the fibers can easily be made fuzz. Being crushed and shortened in unit length, staple tends to become fly or dusts with ease and dispersed into atmosphere.Their Carbon Fiber users are advised to be careful not to dispose naked skins to the fibers and to take deliberate dusts cleaning measures naked skins. | [04:41] |
dub | thank you japan | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | dub: the infamous 'pencil in space capsule' problem | [04:41] |
mircea_popescu | dub the fuzz is after you now ? | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXk3n5FCkw | [04:42] |
assbot | Join the Fuzz - We Love the Violence - YouTube | [04:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12704 @ 0.00085529 = 10.8656 BTC [-] {2} | [04:43] |
* | dexx (~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:43] |
BingoBoingo | Is there a link to when this announcement was announced? | [04:43] |
* | dexX7 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | "That said, every community is different. I've personally talked to people in charge of large online communities – ones you probably participate in every day – and part of the reason those communities haven't broken down into utter chaos by now is because they secretly hellban and slowban their most problematic users. " | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | "i have talked to some people i won't name about some things i won't name but take my word on it that it's relevant, and they said my stupidity is entirely correct" | [04:46] |
BingoBoingo | WTF is a slowban | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | how do these idiots live with themselves ? | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo apparently make your pages load slowly because whoever cares about your site sucking | [04:46] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: slowban << poor site performance emulated for a very special someone | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, gotta remember that Jeff Atwood is pretty fucking stupid. | [04:47] |
BingoBoingo | What the fuck. Someone provokes annoyance in good faith and the response is now to lie and cover yourself in shit so they don't want to be seen around you? | [04:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00085788 = 6.863 BTC [+] {2} | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | this dovetails neatly with "women don't have to do anything in particular to not get fucked" | [04:49] |
* | toffoo (~tof@pool-108-17-50-114.bflony.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [04:49] |
BingoBoingo | I have to wonder who the original autist was to come up with the idea of a slowban. | [04:50] |
* | assbot gives voice to toffoo | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: afaik it was one of pg's flunkies. | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | perhaps altman. | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | (his vizier) | [04:51] |
* | assbot gives voice to midnightmagic | [04:51] |
BingoBoingo | This has to be some clinically defective reasoning. | [04:51] |
midnightmagic | what's a hellban? | [04:51] |
asciilifeform | midnightmagic: hellban << victim thinks his posts show. | [04:52] |
asciilifeform | he logs out - they're gone. | [04:52] |
midnightmagic | oh yeah. Like +z. I love +z. | [04:52] |
dub | aka /shun | [04:52] |
dub | ircd ignores msgs, client cant tell | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | dub actually the material i've seen included a lot of derping about how fucking horrible and psychologically blabla that is. | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | so i guess the kids in charge have some deep seated issues with this sort of passive-agressive nonsense. | [04:53] |
midnightmagic | sounds like new-age nonsense to me | [04:54] |
dub | safest way to deal with some kinds of damage | [04:54] |
midnightmagic | yeah, unfortunately :-/ | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | dub so the guy you're "shunning" twists your nipples. | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | do you keep at it or what. | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | it's utterly dependent on you living in a boring environment. or in other words, if shunning works, your life sucks. | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | "enjoyment of the first look you take at a comment page is prioritized over active participation. That's great if you're trying to attach ads to pictures of cats, but if you're trying to have a real conversation, it just gets in the way. I can read, I don't need an algorithm to tell me which comments are notable and which ones are junk. If I see a troll post on any other site, I don't seize up and have an aneurism, I j | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | ust scroll past it. | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I can easily follow 50+ page PHPbb threads that drag on for months or even years, or 4chan threads with hundreds of posts and more on the way every time you refresh, but a small conversation (in reality; I considered it huge by my HN standards) I had on here the other day with about 10 comments or so made my head spin. I wrote half the posts and it was still hard to follow! O | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | h, and of course, no one but the people I responded to will ever read the things I wrote hours after the thread dropped off the front page." | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | wow look at that : they actually understand what's wrong with the ~others~ | [04:56] |
* | lnostdal has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | The Reddit discussion model is completely oriented towards providing the fast food of news commentary, where your << missing 1st line | [04:57] |
dub | life is not always a forum | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, fun to see people on these very successful sites are lively debating solved problems in fain, years ago. makes my asshole swell. | [05:00] |
asciilifeform | ;;google funarg problem | [05:01] |
gribble | Funarg problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
[05:01] |
asciilifeform | ^ a problem gleefully re-introduced by quite a few 'language of the day!' designers | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | this kind of thing is the norm in techno-derpatronics | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | dig up a (solved) problem (or, 'problem'), peddle solution (or 'solution'), ???, profit | [05:02] |
thestringpuller | refreshing trilema hoping to see an announcement #assetslife | [05:03] |
thestringpuller | but I guess with pankkake 's bot that's not necessary anymore | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform le suck. | [05:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.025001 = 0.25 BTC [-] | [05:04] |
* | toffoo has quit () | [05:05] |
asciilifeform | this is sometimes done in academia. as described in an infamous crackpot essay, 'stealing the chaos': | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | http://lesswrong.com/lw/kv/beware_of_stephen_j_gould | [05:06] |
assbot | Beware of Stephen J. Gould - Less Wrong | [05:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.025001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} | [05:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799979 BTC [+] | [05:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 16 @ 0.025 = 0.4 BTC [-] {3} | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | (lw is another reddit clone that makes hn, etc. look sane. inhabited by folks terrified of robo-apocalypse. i was drummed out of lw as a 'future genocidal criminal' for... considering resurrecting doug lenat's 'eurisko.') | [05:07] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | just how many of these social media sites did you get banned from ? | [05:08] |
asciilifeform | tbh, i wasn't properly banned from any of them. | [05:08] |
asciilifeform | login still functions | [05:08] |
asciilifeform | ban isn't quite the word here | [05:09] |
BingoBoingo | Kulakified? | [05:09] |
asciilifeform | when you merit your own line of code in some turdmeister's db handler, but not banned... what do we call this. | [05:09] |
* | lnostdal (~lnostdal@55.151.189.109.customer.cdi.no) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [05:10] |
* | TheNewDeal (46c26ac9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.70.194.106.201) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [05:10] |
mircea_popescu | banned lol | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | in retrospect, being cast ashore from the shit-ocean was astonishingly good fortune. | [05:12] |
asciilifeform | think how many potentially-interesting folks are floating there still. | [05:12] |
* | assbot gives voice to TheNewDeal | [05:13] |
TheNewDeal | why thank you assbot | [05:13] |
mircea_popescu | prolly. | [05:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00085527 = 9.6646 BTC [-] | [05:19] |
* | coingenuity has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [05:20] |
mircea_popescu | well i guess with all teh encouragement ima make more travel log posts | [05:22] |
TheNewDeal | do it | [05:23] |
TheNewDeal | loved the mango and ginger breakfast picture as well | [05:23] |
* | coingenuity (~coingenui@cpe-76-176-175-200.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [05:26] |
* | coingenuity is now known as Guest67045 | [05:26] |
* | Duffer1 has quit (Quit: Duffer1) | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | it turns out to be a pretty great breakfast! | [05:28] |
mike_c | best part of winning a bitbet: gloating in the comments. | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | I love mango and I love ginger, but I haven't had the combination. Sounds like an indian dish to me | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | mike_c link? | [05:29] |
mike_c | http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/#c3022 | [05:30] |
assbot | BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros :: 1.03 B (14%) on Yes, 6.22 B (86%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 day ago | [05:30] |
TheNewDeal | aha saw it | [05:30] |
TheNewDeal | can't believe 7 btc was laid down on that bet | [05:31] |
TheNewDeal | usually the sports ones are sparse | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c btw, the coffee shop i happenedto stop for my pasteleria today (which dubs itself as a "local de encuentro" and during the night time doubles as a whorehouse) just happened to run the match on a large screen | [05:31] |
TheNewDeal | and females tennis too.. | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | i caught it starting with the 4-6 6-7 1-0 moment | [05:31] |
mircea_popescu | that little shit gave sharapova a good run for her tits. | [05:31] |
TheNewDeal | hahaha | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | at some point the russian fowled 5 serves in a row | [05:32] |
BingoBoingo | !b 9 | [05:32] |
assbot | Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DH2FTF.txt ) | [05:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0251 = 0.251 BTC [+] | [05:40] |
mike_c | hah, yeah, i'm glad i didn't watch it. too much of a sweat. | [05:40] |
TheNewDeal | I'm very sad I didn't get to see the sexy Sharapova in action :( | [05:41] |
mircea_popescu | nice legs yeah | [05:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2227057 BTC [-] | [05:46] |
TheNewDeal | bc,stats | [05:47] |
TheNewDeal | updating TheNewDeal's prediction to 6.3% | [05:49] |
BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [05:49] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 305040 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1391 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12115562214.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.0537 | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | but what's the point/use for a changing prediction ? | [05:50] |
TheNewDeal | gribble does it! | [05:50] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [05:51] |
TheNewDeal | Yesterday was 4.8, 6/7 was 6.9% | [05:53] |
TheNewDeal | gribble was guessing like 0% when I was guessing around 5 | [05:53] |
TheNewDeal | I play around with my model a little bit and try to make it look realist. Gribble and bitcoinwisdom are pretty much looking at something like the last 500 or 1000 blocks and predicting off that | [05:55] |
TheNewDeal | +ic | [05:55] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [05:58] |
TheNewDeal | will bitbet start reporting the results of their bets in the manner I was talking about yesterday? | [05:59] |
TheNewDeal | Like Gain:X, Total Resolved: Y, Pending: Z | [05:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5939 @ 0.00085513 = 5.0786 BTC [-] | [06:00] |
mircea_popescu | i think your talking about bitbet is incidental to what it'll actually do. | [06:00] |
TheNewDeal | well of course | [06:01] |
TheNewDeal | but if they're bets are going to be a large portion of the gains/losses, it seems like investors would want to know what their history has been on the bets | [06:01] |
TheNewDeal | the way its reported now is just obscure | [06:02] |
* | CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | [06:02] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: TheNewDeal Were you trying to trade Bastille Day bet Exposure yesterday? | [06:02] |
TheNewDeal | yes | [06:03] |
TheNewDeal | I have bets on Yes , and I would still like to trade exposure | [06:03] |
TheNewDeal | bitcoinpete picked up a mere .1 BTC when I am looking for more | [06:03] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: How do these arrangements work? Suppose I wanted to trade some of my no for your yes, how do we price these? | [06:04] |
TheNewDeal | oh I don | [06:04] |
TheNewDeal | I don't want any of your no :D | [06:04] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Supposed you did, because we were both looking to hedge. How would this trade work? | [06:05] |
TheNewDeal | the trade would work like this | [06:05] |
TheNewDeal | you would give a amount, say 1 BTC, and we would tack on a timeweight to it | [06:05] |
* | pgrewr (~pgrewr@c-76-24-93-8.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [06:05] |
TheNewDeal | so you would send me 1 btc, and receive X timeweight | [06:06] |
TheNewDeal | that I would pay out to your address | [06:06] |
TheNewDeal | does that make any sense? | [06:07] |
TheNewDeal | timeweight would be agreed upon beforehand | [06:07] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Sure. That's about half of the question's answer. What of instead of BTC for positions the trade was positions for positions? | [06:08] |
TheNewDeal | thats possible. I have 5.6 total BTC in for a timeweight of ~197,000. Care to share what you're trying to trade? | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | [06:09] | |
mircea_popescu | so far the house is ahead, mike_c did the math recently. | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | !up pgrewr | [06:09] |
-assbot- | You voiced pgrewr for 30 minutes. | [06:09] |
* | assbot gives voice to pgrewr | [06:09] |
mike_c | well, house bets are ahead. the house isn't because it gives away half the bets. | [06:10] |
TheNewDeal | MP, but recently they have upped the amounts they bet, by a large amoutn | [06:10] |
TheNewDeal | correct? | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal not afaik | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c right. | [06:10] |
TheNewDeal | hmmm I'm going to have to do some research. thought I read something that said they were upping the amount of BTC bet | [06:11] |
TheNewDeal | perhaps it was around the time MPIF came about? | [06:11] |
pgrewr | homosexuals should be put to death | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | always been .1 | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | tis in th faq | [06:12] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Well, let's not reveal the particular bet since we are miming what making such a deal would look like and Assume I have this position http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/#b39 And would like to swap half of the balance for a favorably priced yes position. | [06:12] |
assbot | BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.84 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 3 days 20 hours | weight: 2`243 (100`000 to 1) | [06:12] |
BingoBoingo | How do we go about pricing No at a weight TheNewDeal versus yes at a weight? | [06:13] |
* | nanotube has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [06:14] |
* | Hoodmin (~AndChat10@174.90.222.150) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [06:14] |
TheNewDeal | well it wouldn't really make too much sense for me financially, unless you had much more timeweight | [06:14] |
* | pgrewr has quit (Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))) | [06:14] |
TheNewDeal | i take that back | [06:15] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: It could though which is why the pricing of these things and how to do it is so important. | [06:15] |
TheNewDeal | let me do a quick calculation | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | !up Hoodmin | [06:15] |
-assbot- | You voiced Hoodmin for 30 minutes. | [06:15] |
* | assbot gives voice to Hoodmin | [06:15] |
Hoodmin | Evenin coiners | [06:17] |
BingoBoingo | Evening Hoodmin | [06:17] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'm curious, are you running Bitbet.py? | [06:19] |
asciilifeform | pgrewr: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9831727/Iran-unveils-finger-amputating-machine-for-use-on-thieves.html << adapt for your application | [06:19] |
assbot | Iran unveils finger amputating machine for use on thieves - Telegraph | [06:19] |
TheNewDeal | no | [06:19] |
TheNewDeal | what is bitbet.py? | [06:19] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Do you have a more interesting tool for calculating Bitbet outcomes then? | [06:20] |
TheNewDeal | i use excel or simply Calculator | [06:21] |
mike_c | i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. | [06:21] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-bitbet-us-buggy.86712/#post-1492473 | [06:21] |
assbot | Is bitbet.us buggy? | Bitcointa.lk | [06:21] |
TheNewDeal | ;;calc 16.3/678*112.8+.99*1 | [06:21] |
gribble | 3.70185840708 | [06:21] |
TheNewDeal | not too hard | [06:22] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: It's a simple tool. You past in the lines from bitbet and get the whole thing laid out. | [06:22] |
mike_c | old skool. it should grab the json. | [06:22] |
mike_c | blech. i feel another bitbet blog post coming on. | [06:22] |
BingoBoingo | Well, it is a relic of BitBet's earlier days | [06:22] |
TheNewDeal | ill definitely check it out | [06:23] |
TheNewDeal | but it's easy enough for me to quickly find the payout of one or two bets | [06:23] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Yeah, but I usually like to survey the whole field at once. Creates a real appreciation of time weight | [06:24] |
TheNewDeal | touche | [06:24] |
* | lolstate (~lolstate@cpc16-broo8-2-0-cust783.14-2.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [06:25] |
BingoBoingo | Helps you identify interesting bettors as well | [06:25] |
TheNewDeal | besides the point | [06:26] |
TheNewDeal | the maximum i stand to make on my yes prop is 1.25 btc with 5.6 bet (assuming no more NO bets come) | [06:26] |
TheNewDeal | if I purchased your whole position, I would make 3.78% on yes, or lose 28.8 percent | [06:28] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Assume we are hedgine and trading smaller amounts. Who would we price deciBitcoin portions of each position. | [06:29] |
TheNewDeal | let's say I were to send you a fraction of a BTC (let's say a half) on the no bet. Would you consider giving me a larger timeweight than what you have bet at? | [06:29] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'd actually be more interested in swapping a fraction of the no for a fraction of the Yes. If we are trading Bitcoin against the position... I'd maybe be interested in offering a bit of extra timeweight. | [06:32] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: why silver is the white metal everyone seems to horde and not gallium << Ga is typically found in bauxite, so it had to wait for cheap Al refinement. | [06:33] |
* | nanotube (~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [06:33] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: That explains the problem historically, but not why it persists. | [06:34] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: in principle, it would make a pretty good 'low tech testable' precious metal. simply determine melting point. | [06:35] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/food-para-comer/ | [06:35] |
TheNewDeal | My position will currently pay out 1.22 per 1 invested, but I have like 4X more invested, so it doesn't make much sense to buy a small fraction | [06:35] |
BingoBoingo | Indeed more testable. | [06:36] |
BingoBoingo | ;;calc 3.70185840708*0.5 | [06:39] |
gribble | 1.85092920354 | [06:39] |
* | assbot removes voice from Hoodmin | [06:46] |
thestringpuller | !mpif | [06:47] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021706 BTC (Total: 434.13 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] | [06:47] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'm thinking rather than adjusting time weight which could create a bit of a pickle if a lot of large late betting acticity swoops in we consider the matter of pricing a 0.5 stake in terms of the premium or discount applied to 0.5 BTC to purchase it. | [06:48] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 10 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 474.9239018 BTC. Current weight: 45,777. | [06:48] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC worth over $5000 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/716/ Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 43(Y):57(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.25076814 BTC. Current weight: 54,957. | [06:48] |
TheNewDeal | first off, I don't think there will be any late bettors here | [06:49] |
TheNewDeal | secondly, if there are, it will only help my position | [06:49] |
TheNewDeal | the yes pays less than half a percent at 1 btc | [06:49] |
BingoBoingo | No one ever anticipates snackman... | [06:50] |
cazalla | http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/pensioners-lose-savings-in-government-cash-grab-20140609-39t7p.html save money in australia for longer than 3 years and you get your shit ganked | [06:50] |
assbot | Pensioners lose savings in government cash grab | [06:50] |
TheNewDeal | we could definitely swap, but I don't see how it would help you out | [06:50] |
TheNewDeal | yes timeweight pays out not so much | [06:51] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: So for 0.5 BTC of my no stake you would pay 0.? BTC | [06:52] |
* | Hoodmin (~AndChat10@174.90.222.150) has left #bitcoin-assets | [06:53] |
* | Hoodmin (~AndChat10@174.90.222.150) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [06:53] |
TheNewDeal | that doesn't work out for me | [06:54] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, so what works again? You want to pay ? for a stake with the timeweight adjusted upwards? Wouldn't it be easier to adjust the price paid or the portion of the stake purchased? | [06:55] |
TheNewDeal | let me go over an example scenario | [06:55] |
* | mike_c has quit () | [06:55] |
TheNewDeal | if I were to purchase .33 BTC at 30K timeweight | [06:55] |
TheNewDeal | for me I would be winning 10% on my investment of 5.9 BTC on YES, or returning 27% of that investment on no | [06:56] |
TheNewDeal | you on the other hand, would bring in 1.06 BTC for an investment of (1-.33 = .67 btc) | [06:57] |
TheNewDeal | for NO | [06:57] |
* | ericmuyser (~ericmuyse@S010628c68e00af53.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [07:00] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: re: metals: in practice, metals for which demand is almost entirely industrial make poor 'trading sardines' | [07:00] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: see kodak/silver relationship for example. | [07:00] |
TheNewDeal | I've got to go get some food before the bar closes | [07:01] |
TheNewDeal | ill be back in an hour or so | [07:01] |
BingoBoingo | And lets say at 16`367 you spent .33 to purchase 0.5, 0.6 or whatever on No (In case miners betting late on No make covering the offer at a higher weight a challenge, Spz. No becomes obvious and a member of the math challenged drops 1000 BTC on No) | [07:01] |
TheNewDeal | No is most definitely not obvious | [07:02] |
TheNewDeal | Yes is the most likely scenario | [07:02] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, it closes in ~4 days. | [07:03] |
TheNewDeal | close doesn't really matter to us | [07:03] |
TheNewDeal | i dont think bets are going to be made | [07:03] |
BingoBoingo | Well it keeps people from betting when the outcome might be obvious. | [07:03] |
TheNewDeal | even if they are made, they are not going to be large ones | [07:03] |
BingoBoingo | I'll think on this a bit. | [07:04] |
* | smidge (~smiddel@HSI-KBW-091-089-227-152.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [07:05] |
TheNewDeal | sounds good | [07:05] |
thestringpuller | COOKIES | [07:09] |
* | Poffertje has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [07:17] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: over 4bill in assets which are easily valued | [07:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00085527 = 0.5987 BTC [+] | [07:18] |
smickles | easily a few more bil in things like BPOs and BPCs | [07:18] |
* | Poffertje (~name@212.7.208.83) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [07:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 672 @ 0.00085513 = 0.5746 BTC [-] | [07:27] |
* | trixisowned is now known as daba | [07:28] |
* | daba is now known as avacado | [07:29] |
* | smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...) | [07:30] |
* | avacado is now known as trixiswhite | [07:31] |
* | trixiswhite is now known as trixisowned | [07:35] |
* | Hoodmin has quit (Quit: Bye) | [07:55] |
* | zoinky has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | [08:01] |
* | Disconnected (Network is unreachable). | [08:25] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [08:25] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [08:25] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 | [08:25] |
-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [08:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.072075 = 0.2883 BTC [-] {2} | [08:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085326 = 2.7304 BTC [-] | [08:25] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Here's the present output from BitBet.py on the Bastille Day Bet http://dpaste.com/1Y574AF/ | [08:26] |
assbot | dpaste: 1Y574AF: Bastille day Output | [08:26] |
-NickServ- | You failed to identify in time for the nickname mircea_popescu | [08:26] |
* | You are now known as Guest23929 | [08:26] |
* | BingoBoingo missed some lines on initial entry and tacked them on at the end. | [08:26] |
* | Anon29486307 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [08:28] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I think something about the math you presented for your example is wrong. | [08:29] |
BingoBoingo | As an example of fresh bet of .33 BTC on No returns the line [ 52] No 30000 0.33000000 1.93420100 1.60420100 covering 32.8% of your 5.9 BTC stake. | [08:32] |
* | ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [08:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12327 @ 0.00085485 = 10.5377 BTC [+] {3} | [08:37] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [16:53] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [16:53] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014 | [16:53] |
* | [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | [16:53] |
-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [16:53] |
Guest68527 | ;;eauth mircea_popescu | [16:53] |
* | #bitcoin-assets :Cannot send to channel | [16:53] |
* | jborkl has quit () | [16:53] |
* | You are now known as mircea_popescu | [16:54] |
* | cedivad has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [16:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02437042 = 0.1462 BTC [+] | [16:55] |
* | assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu | [16:55] |
-assbot- | You are now voiced in #bitcoin-assets. | [16:55] |
* | Swadq has quit (Client Quit) | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | "The biggest reason why the bug hasn’t been found for over 16 years is that code reviews were insufficient, especially from experts who had experiences with TLS/SSL implementation. " | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | fucking joke. | [16:56] |
pankkake | mapofcoins is missing Bernankoin :( how do I submit? | [16:57] |
* | nullbyte (~NSA@cpe-70-124-71-49.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:57] |
* | nullbyte has quit (Changing host) | [16:57] |
* | nullbyte (~NSA@unaffiliated/loteriety) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:57] |
* | Dimsler (~dimsler@dhcp-20-aa-4b-fd-a4-ce.cpe.sourcecable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | madofcoins ? | [16:59] |
* | Dimsler has quit (Client Quit) | [17:00] |
pankkake | madoffcoins? | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | "allows man-in-the-middle attackers to trigger use of a zero-length master key" | [17:00] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@92.40.248.103.threembb.co.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:01] |
* | knotwork__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | you know, when i said the power rangers are too stupid to be on the internet and they said i'm just being evil, because they're about as smart as everyone else derping about "open source software" we were BOTH right | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't realise this at the time. | [17:01] |
* | toddf (~todd@2001:470:817c:10:207:e9ff:fe10:a36c) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | !up toddf | [17:02] |
-assbot- | You voiced toddf for 30 minutes. | [17:02] |
* | assbot gives voice to toddf | [17:02] |
* | knotwork__ (~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:02] |
ThickAsThieves | <+thestringpuller> The cost of liquidity is too high for most vendors... //// Circle can eat their lunch if they play their cards right - things will start getting interesting when you can buy for zero fees | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | it's unavoidable. commodified market, players are of no particular valu | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | e | [17:03] |
mike_c | zero fees = fees built into exchange rate. | [17:06] |
Mats_cd03 | ;;bc,stats | [17:06] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 305122 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1309 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12339676924.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.96 | [17:06] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c how so ? | [17:06] |
mike_c | circle does as much as it can to hide the exchange rate when you buy (from watching video) | [17:06] |
jurov | um a dude from @dc-data.com.cn wrote to me that some company named VOLKAN Tech Ltd. wants to register zillion coinbr.TLD domains | [17:06] |
jurov | whether we authorized it | [17:06] |
mike_c | and i'm sure they just a few points off for their own pockets. | [17:07] |
jurov | i replied that no | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | jurov classical spam | [17:07] |
mike_c | *shave | [17:07] |
jurov | and he replied "okay, you should register them yourself" | [17:07] |
jurov | so, not legit you say | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c trying to be paypal. except they won't be able to | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | paypal has this thing where govts prosecute its competition | [17:07] |
mike_c | jurov: no. dime a dozen scam. i throw those out on a weekly basis | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | jurov one of the more common finds when i review my spamtraps | [17:08] |
mike_c | i like better the scam where they just send you a bill | [17:08] |
mike_c | in the hopes that a clueless worker bee will pay it. | [17:08] |
jurov | ok, i got such for first time | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c kinda how circle's shaving points work | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | in the hopes a clueless buyer will just think a ok it's what itis | [17:09] |
mike_c | yes | [17:09] |
mike_c | zero fees! | [17:09] |
pankkake | http://slashdot.org/story/14/06/10/0336202/godaddy-files-for-100-million-ipo | [17:10] |
mike_c | anybody in here have an account and try it out? | [17:10] |
assbot | GoDaddy Files For $100 Million IPO - Slashdot | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | wait what ? | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | godaddy 100mn after whatsapp 20bn ? are they insane ? | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | was it100bn ? | [17:10] |
pankkake | GoDaddy hasn't made a profit since 2009. The company lost $279 million in 2012. It bled another $200 million last year. This year doesn't look much better, with another $51 million lost in the first quarter | [17:10] |
pankkake | so, they're the twitter of domains | [17:10] |
los_pantalones | how does godaddy lose money ? | [17:11] |
los_pantalones | wtf | [17:11] |
mike_c | that might be raising $100m, not the valuation | [17:11] |
mike_c | "The company said it would raise $100 million, but that is just a placeholder until closer to the offering date." | [17:12] |
xmj | godaddy throws money away on superbowls | [17:13] |
los_pantalones | but that's maybe 10mm | [17:13] |
ThickAsThieves | ticker should be GOD Y | [17:13] |
asciilifeform | jurov: so it'd be best stored in glass containers..and how do you ascertain it wasn't amalgamated with mercury << there's the beauty. melting point. no way to fake Ga melting point and have anything like the density. | [17:14] |
asciilifeform | jurov: and it can stay in the bottle. | [17:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02854545 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2} | [17:14] |
jurov | you can't easily measure the volume while it's inside the bottle | [17:14] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake more of this fudingyou learned on btc forum i see. | [17:15] |
asciilifeform | jurov: s/bottle/ampoule (full ampoule) | [17:15] |
asciilifeform | measure like archimedes | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | los_pantalones by hiring uglychicks to weart its tshirt ? | [17:15] |
xmj | waaat | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you sur e ? eutectic is a thing | [17:17] |
jurov | if it's full one needs to solve the thermal expansion problem and still., also measuring the wall thickness accurately | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | jurov a glass bottle can't be full of a metal ffs. | [17:17] |
jurov | too many things that can go bad.. i'm keeping my bricks, thanks | [17:18] |
* | Swadq has quit (Quit: Swadq) | [17:18] |
jurov | if you can design "datskovskiy's container" that solves all of above properly, maybe that will be the thing you'll be remembered for | [17:19] |
jurov | not for some computer science masturbation | [17:20] |
jurov | ;) | [17:20] |
asciilifeform | lol | [17:20] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if you can find me a eutectic solder that melts anywhere near 30C (but not liquid at room temp like Hg) i'll buy it right now. | [17:20] |
asciilifeform | many useful applications. | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | but maybe the reason that ive not found it is that your buying doesn't compare with 8 millenia of trying to defraud the currency | [17:21] |
asciilifeform | lol! | [17:21] |
asciilifeform | there was something like wood's metal that did 80, i think | [17:21] |
asciilifeform | at any rate, Hg has >2x the density of Ga. and the latter, unlike Hg, won't boil on a gas flame. | [17:24] |
asciilifeform | so plenty of simple tests, once you pick a suitable container. | [17:24] |
jurov | there are other amalgams not suitable as solder, but for faking gallium in closed container something can be certainly though of | [17:24] |
jurov | *thought | [17:24] |
jurov | just to remind, the whole discussion started about ease of handling/verification vs. gold/silver bricks | [17:25] |
asciilifeform | the only reason no one would even try this crap is the point mentioned earlier (100% of present-day use is industrial, mostly as GaAs semiconductor, fluctuating demand) | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | more's the point, you've not had the benefit of manyyear's worth of having thought about what the people trying to fake it might have thought about | [17:25] |
mircea_popescu | i think this problem is often misrepresented by all the young cocks starting new things. | [17:26] |
asciilifeform | that's actually the part that intrigues me - how do we fake gallium | [17:26] |
asciilifeform | because i could really use some | [17:26] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the definityion of a fake is not being useful. | [17:26] |
asciilifeform | well, 'fake' in this case is, achieve the melting point, with a well-conductive substance | [17:27] |
asciilifeform | (incidentally ampoule could include electrodes for testing conductivity | [17:27] |
asciilifeform | ) | [17:27] |
jurov | now that's something | [17:28] |
mircea_popescu | prolly best so far, because you can measure resistance etc | [17:28] |
asciilifeform | but in that case the ampoule could not be full. you must be able to tilt it, to expose electrode (perhaps a scammer simply placed a resistor there) | [17:28] |
asciilifeform | of course, resistor could be trivially exposed with frequency sweep / bode plot (skin effect on Ga blob != impedence of ordinary resistor) | [17:29] |
jurov | also one needs to verify there is no cavity or tungsten bar placed in the middle | [17:29] |
asciilifeform | lol! jurov, look at periodic table | [17:29] |
asciilifeform | but yes, people would at least try. so, contents of flask must pour freely. | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | verify that liquid. | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | ideal container would probably be a toroid, half-empty | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | you cant really fake metal to electrodes | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | but yes a ring of ga. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | sounds pretty cool actually | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | with Au probes | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | incidentally! | [17:32] |
* | CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | you could weigh the metal purely electronically | [17:32] |
* | assbot removes voice from toddf | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | if you have two electrodes, put a current through it, while surrounded by electromagnet, it will move x cm up the ring in response to Y amps... | [17:33] |
davout | thestringpuller: "France sounds annoying." <<< wait until you hear french people | [17:33] |
asciilifeform | why do any of this - is 'exercise for alert reader' of course. | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | more like putridly rich reader. | [17:34] |
asciilifeform | http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-or-two-ounces-of-Contaminated-Gallium-Liquid-Metal-READ-/321427316761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad68fa019 | [17:36] |
assbot | One or Two Ounces of Contaminated Gallium Liquid Metal Read | eBay | [17:36] |
asciilifeform | anyone who remembers school chemistry will understand that impurities lower melting point | [17:36] |
* | jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:36] |
* | mjr_ (~Thunderbi@190.219.168.189) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:37] |
asciilifeform | Ga is ~250 usd/kg, atm | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | (small supply + small demand) | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | hm. | [17:40] |
* | toddf has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | [17:41] |
chetty | http://www.ponzitracker.com/main/2014/6/9/new-york-man-faces-criminal-charges-for-17-million-ponzi-sch.html | [17:41] |
assbot | New York Man Faces Criminal Charges For $17 Million Ponzi Scheme - Ponzitracker - Ponzitracker | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c how about a btc fund that buys gallium ? :D | [17:41] |
asciilifeform | we could use Nd magnets as coin... | [17:41] |
asciilifeform | try fake Nd magnet. | [17:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23799989 BTC [+] | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you should be head of mint. | [17:43] |
asciilifeform | (anyone seriously thinking about bidding up Ga should remember that it is a strategic metal - radar sets live and die by GaAs diodes. so anyone who fucks with the supply is liable to Can Also Have Problems) | [17:43] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu: lol. i'm in! | [17:45] |
mike_c | honestly i would rather see a btc investment that bought commodities rather than real estate. with the REITS I feel like people are expecting a BTC return. no one would think that with a commodity fund (similar to x.eur). | [17:47] |
mike_c | !t h rent | [17:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00429980 / 0.00441359 / 0.00449890 (14 shares, 0.06179020 BTC), 7D: 0.00351101 / 0.0038605 / 0.00469990 (1234 shares, 4.76386086 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00524007 / 0.00710000 (6290 shares, 32.96001124 BTC) | [17:48] |
* | daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | [17:48] |
mike_c | wow, bit of a rebound | [17:48] |
mike_c | not back to ipo price yet, but still. | [17:48] |
mike_c | !mpif | [17:48] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021639 BTC (Total: 432.79 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021725 BTC [+] | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | o wow it dropped ? | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | !jd mpif | [17:49] |
assbot | Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.56965722 BTC; +0.09045396 BTC (+0.0531%) since last check 22h 25m 29s ago. | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | hm wtf | [17:49] |
mike_c | eurusd is a tough market. | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | did panacea take it in teh butts ? | [17:49] |
mike_c | yeah | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | THIS IS MILK | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | wow almost a full % huh | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | well you can't have it all | [17:50] |
asciilifeform | TLS/SSL bug... hasn?t been found for over 16 years << don't blame the fscking mice... | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c mind making the columns on your splendid tracker red and green ? | [17:50] |
mike_c | sure | [17:50] |
* | dR3___ (~dR3@d142-179-255-10.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform why not ? | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | i will blame the mice. | [17:54] |
* | princessnell has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [17:54] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@208.185.170.74) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:55] |
* | dR3 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [17:55] |
asciilifeform | mice belong in mousetrap, yes. but the kitchen remains filthy. | [17:55] |
* | adrrr has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) | [17:56] |
asciilifeform | obligatory: | [18:02] |
asciilifeform | ;;google don't blame the mice | [18:02] |
gribble | Loper OS » Don't Blame the Mice.: |
[18:02] |
mircea_popescu | blaming the mice is an excellent strategy. | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | it encourages the mice to organise and clean up your kitchen | [18:06] |
asciilifeform | lol! | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | something sans pareil in all otherapproaches. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | i ordinarily punish people for things they perceive are "well outside their control" | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | so does nature. | [18:07] |
* | asciilifeform must've had defective mice | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | or not enough patience, or not enough cruelty. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | the only way to establish which of the three is to be abundant with the last two | [18:07] |
* | darlidada_l (~Decima`@unaffiliated/decima/x-7503346) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | the only ones under your own control. | [18:07] |
* | asciilifeform killed the last two mice in old flat with own hands, still had to... clean after | [18:08] |
jurov | btw, how it went with the robin? | [18:09] |
mike_c | you didn't see last pic? | [18:09] |
jurov | not | [18:09] |
mike_c | http://imgur.com/o2HcssV | [18:10] |
assbot | Kitteh - Imgur | [18:10] |
jurov | kthanks | [18:10] |
asciilifeform | bird went in cat. | [18:10] |
fluffypony | LOL! | [18:10] |
mike_c | bird gets 2014 darwin award | [18:10] |
fluffypony | that cat is like "thanks for lunch" | [18:10] |
asciilifeform | i knew i could rely on that particular cat | [18:11] |
* | darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [18:11] |
asciilifeform | but it only comes at dusk. | [18:11] |
* | deadweasel has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | [18:11] |
* | toddf (~todd@2001:470:817c:10:207:e9ff:fe10:a36c) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:18] |
* | mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [18:22] |
* | toddf has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/27rsv8/confirmed_blockchaininfo_shared_coin_is_broken/ | [18:24] |
assbot | Confirmed: blockchain.info Shared Coin is broken : Bitcoin | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | "There used to be something called Shared Send, which was an actual taintless bitcoin mixer and not just a CoinJoin plausible-deniability transaction obfuscator. | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | For a while, Shared Send was the only option. Then SharedCoin was introduced and for a while they were both available in the blockchain.info wallet. | [18:24] |
ThickAsThieves | Then, Shared Send was discontinued. Even the old URL for Shared Send (https://blockchain.info/wallet/send-shared) redirects to their SharedCoin page now." | [18:24] |
* | toddf (~todd@wsip-98-174-183-148.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | noobs and poor people are not allowed to have good tools. | [18:27] |
* | CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjgdmkmwbcrwshau) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:29] |
* | asciilifeform poor with good tools. not impossible. | [18:31] |
asciilifeform | noobs - sure. | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | which is why isortedin tht order :p | [18:32] |
* | mjr_ (~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:33] |
* | bitstein (48b66859@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.182.104.89) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:34] |
asciilifeform | obligatory: | [18:35] |
asciilifeform | http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241654125513898@naggum.no.html | [18:35] |
assbot | Re: becoming a better programmer - Naggum cll archive | [18:35] |
* | assbot gives voice to bitstein | [18:35] |
asciilifeform | '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' | [18:35] |
* | zoinky (~Adium@unaffiliated/zoinky) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:36] |
chetty | asciilifeform, a lot of that problem might actually be there are so few real experts | [18:38] |
asciilifeform | chetty: somehow people once imagined that not having to travel over sea and through jungle to visit the experts - would solve this. | [18:39] |
asciilifeform | it didn't. | [18:39] |
chetty | nah the travel is better, earn your audience with an expert | [18:40] |
asciilifeform | better - sure. but when you come across a lamer - he's already paying what a very reasonable education would cost - the price of his net connection. | [18:41] |
asciilifeform | not everyone can apprentice with a master in meatspace, sure. but anyone could... read? | [18:41] |
* | smidge (smidge@HSI-KBW-091-089-227-152.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | '...what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as novel as they think it is...' <<< quite exactly. | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | and the prescription for this disease is... rape. | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | people derping about how "we" should live in a world without rape conveniently tend to not mention that rape is in fact the only cure to the particular mental disease that constitutes their powerbase. | [18:44] |
* | cedivad (~cedivad@host152-51-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00085204 = 2.0449 BTC [+] | [18:44] |
* | dR3___ is now known as dR3 | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform no, not anyone could read anymore than anyone could magic., | [18:45] |
chetty | people can't be bothered to read mostly, much less evaluate the content in any reasonable manner | [18:46] |
* | jborkl has quit (Quit: jborkl) | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | reading is not just techne is the problem. which is why there exists such a thing as the educated idiot. | [18:47] |
mike_c | those of you who wanted trilema book: https://www.paperlater.com/ | [18:47] |
assbot | PaperLater | [18:47] |
* | chetty likes this | [18:49] |
chetty | save screen time and line the bird cage :) | [18:50] |
* | cedivad has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | lol #bitcoin-wizards actuallyexists | [18:55] |
fluffypony | mircea_popescu: didn't you know? | [18:56] |
fluffypony | it's the /r/BitcoinSerious version of #bitcoin-dev | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | notrly. | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | ic | [18:56] |
fluffypony | only the cool kids are there | [18:57] |
* | fluffypony clearly isn't cool | [18:57] |
* | Duffer1 has quit (Quit: Duffer1) | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | course in my mind it's more like bitcoin-dev's johhny come lately attempt at making a bitcoin-assets without the ass in it | [18:57] |
mircea_popescu | but what do i know. | [18:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87465820 BTC to 8`765 shares, 21388 satoshi per share | [19:00] |
* | jborkl (~jborkl@2602:30a:2c51:e730:8d3f:12a9:8ccd:b34e) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:00] |
* | jborkl has quit (Changing host) | [19:00] |
* | jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:00] |
fluffypony | asciilifeform: thanks for the updated defective bird pic, it has come in handy - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7234573#msg7234573 | [19:04] |
assbot | BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated] | [19:04] |
thestringpuller | lol deprived, whatever happened to him? | [19:07] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony well left todd a tell, curious what'll come of that. | [19:07] |
thestringpuller | not enough female ass in bitcoin assets | [19:07] |
fluffypony | I like Peter Todd, I feel like his efforts are wasted / stymied by many others around him | [19:08] |
* | darlidada_l has quit () | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | i like him too, and feel thesame way | [19:11] |
* | assbot gives voice to jborkl | [19:11] |
mircea_popescu | now if only he liked himself, he could be done with all that. | [19:11] |
jborkl | wait Usagi lost access to his wallet ? he is still around? | [19:12] |
mircea_popescu | sure, he's inventing the future of crypto | [19:12] |
mircea_popescu | much like amir taaki | [19:12] |
mircea_popescu | etc. | [19:12] |
jborkl | maybe he can sell his skateboard this time | [19:13] |
jborkl | he already sold his guitar | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | princessnell "Visions receive more attention than game plans. We know we want to “decentralize,” at least. Growing pains notwithstanding, the old ways simply will not do. Power corrupts, we are reminded from birth. The worst get on top, fewer learn later. Men are not angels but too many of them still run the world. No, our doomed synthetic seraphocracy must go." your prose needs better ligature. | [19:13] |
fluffypony | jborkl: to quote usagi - "You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling." | [19:13] |
fluffypony | we don't even KNOW | [19:13] |
asciilifeform | fluffypony: lol | [19:17] |
jborkl | I still do not know if he is the biggest idiot on the planet or just a scammer playing idiot | [19:21] |
jborkl | he is too good at playing idiot to tell | [19:21] |
chetty | jborkl> he is too good at playing idiot to tell// obama? | [19:22] |
jborkl | he/she/both | [19:22] |
jborkl | hehe | [19:22] |
davout | jborkl: dotcoin is the same | [19:22] |
davout | NOT SURE IF STUPID OR STUPID | [19:22] |
* | sgnb (~user@wencory.loria.fr) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06920012 = 0.5536 BTC [-] {2} | [19:25] |
* | assbot gives voice to punkman | [19:26] |
punkman | http://www.valuedinvesting.com/overview.php | [19:27] |
assbot | Valued Investing | Socially Conscious Online Financial Advisor | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | who's that ? | [19:30] |
benkay | [19:30] | |
* | sgnb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [19:31] |
benkay | [19:32] | |
* | darlidada (~Decima`@unaffiliated/decima/x-7503346) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:32] |
asciilifeform | benkay: the wm 'ratpoison', imho, looks better than osx. i.e., it doesn't draw extraneous crud on the display at all... | [19:32] |
asciilifeform | no window borders, no buttons, no clocks... nothing | [19:33] |
benkay | i have to admin, i tend to eschew the window mgr in favor of...emacs. app-tab over to...browsers. | [19:33] |
asciilifeform | benkay: think emacs but for all x11 progs | [19:33] |
benkay | i've been concerned about a wm stomping on my emacs bindings, and losing a week to fixing it. | [19:34] |
benkay | granted this pernicious notion was planted in my head by the notorious lee, so i don't know if it carries any water. | [19:34] |
asciilifeform | 'ratpoison' doesn't - but if it did, all you'd have to do is change its own bindings (they're all configurable) | [19:35] |
benkay | i'd hope. | [19:35] |
benkay | have you tried xmonad? | [19:35] |
asciilifeform | it's something like 50kb of c | [19:35] |
asciilifeform | xmonad draws on screen, ugh. | [19:36] |
benkay | vs? | [19:36] |
benkay | do forgive my ignorance. | [19:36] |
asciilifeform | vs ratpoison | [19:36] |
asciilifeform | which doesn't | [19:36] |
asciilifeform | it only gives other things a place to live | [19:36] |
benkay | sure but what does rp do that's so different? | [19:36] |
asciilifeform | only this | [19:36] |
benkay | what's the difference between drawing on the screen and giving things a place to live? | [19:37] |
asciilifeform | there are other tiling wm, but they all seem to insist on being 'better' - i.e. actually outputting something extra | [19:37] |
benkay | displays are *way* out of my weelhouse. | [19:37] |
asciilifeform | benkay: perhaps i did not explain well. most wm actually draw something of their own on the screen - window boundaries, toggles, clocks, etc. | [19:37] |
benkay | ah that's what you mean by draw things. | [19:38] |
asciilifeform | rp doesn't - all it does is reposition x11 windows created by other progs | [19:38] |
benkay | i understand now, thank you. | [19:38] |
* | blackwhite_ (~blackwhit@198.254.112.34) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:41] |
FabianB | !t m F.MPIF | [19:41] |
assbot | [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 / 0.00021703 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00021548 / 0.0002161 / 0.00021725 (15601 shares, 3.37 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC) | [19:41] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@92.40.249.216.threembb.co.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:46] |
* | the20year (~the20year@50.41.148.119) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | Low Management Fee 0.6% | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | omfg god help us | [19:49] |
* | daybyter (~andreas@88-134-89-237-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:49] |
chetty | http://www.fbi.gov/pittsburgh/press-releases/2014/former-mingo-judge-sentenced-to-more-than-four-years-in-federal-prison | [19:50] |
assbot | FBI — Former Mingo Judge Sentenced to More Than Four Years in Federal Prison | [19:50] |
* | davout has quit (Quit: kthxbye) | [19:50] |
* | Swadq has quit (Quit: Swadq) | [19:52] |
asciilifeform | chetty: i'd be surprised if every judge in usa weren't guilty of these and other crimes. but this one is removed. --> for reasons. | [19:53] |
thestringpuller | !mpif | [19:53] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021641 BTC (Total: 432.83 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-] | [19:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+] | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | what did he do again ? | [19:54] |
chetty | asciilifeform, every little bit helps | [19:54] |
TomServo | The sentence comes after Thornsbury admitted his role in a conspiracy to coerce a local drug defendant, George White, into firing his defense counsel. | [19:54] |
asciilifeform | chetty: what i'm suggesting is that this particular specimen 'needed to have problems' - for some reason obviously not stated in the gov. press release. | [19:55] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@92.40.249.27.threembb.co.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:55] |
asciilifeform | the others remain on their thrones, on account of their 'playing ball' | [19:55] |
chetty | sigh, prolly true - charge should read, fails to play ball | [19:55] |
benkay | !up blackwhite_ | [19:56] |
* | assbot gives voice to blackwhite_ | [19:56] |
asciilifeform | a lizard goes to the clink when a fatter, more senior lizard wishes it, and not at any other time | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | o yea | [19:56] |
benkay | ;;google trilema assets +m | [19:56] |
gribble | #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [19:56] |
|
mircea_popescu | TomServo the best part is where they discuss how "a stiff sentence was appropriate" and then the sentence is... 4 years. | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | what happened to death ? | [19:57] |
asciilifeform | chicoms cornered the market | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [19:57] |
chetty | 4 years in fed country club at that | [19:57] |
TomServo | right. And the guy with 15 years gets no reprieve? | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | TomServo ikr ? stiff sentence my ass. | [19:57] |
asciilifeform | want public firing squad, gotta go to cn, just like for cheap pcbs. | [19:57] |
pankkake | I'm not sure sentences work at all | [19:58] |
pankkake | the general thinking is "I'll get away with it" | [19:58] |
chetty | depends what they are supposed to do | [19:58] |
asciilifeform | pankkake: it 'worked' in this case - for removal of troublesome bureaucrat by another of his species | [19:58] |
pankkake | sure, but the prison sentence isn't useful in that way. will this teach other bureaucrats? | [19:59] |
chetty | bing0! asciilifeform you got it, they are indeed a whole different species | [19:59] |
asciilifeform | what kind of trouble warranted his removal - and by whom, in actuality, he was removed - we (or at least i) do not know | [19:59] |
asciilifeform | btw this kind of thing is a schoolbook example of what 'xxxx can also have problems' means. | [20:00] |
* | darkee_ (~darkee@gateway/tor-sasl/darkee) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:00] |
* | bitstein has quit (Quit: Page closed) | [20:03] |
* | darkee has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | [20:03] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: did anyone ever step up to your 'judge biography' challenge? | [20:05] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder where this one stood | [20:05] |
TomServo | Oh yeah, that rings a bell. What was the bounty on that? | [20:06] |
* | the20year (~the20year@50.41.148.119) has left #bitcoin-assets | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the unfortunat experience of mr white, the fuckwit who listened to the usg, withdrew his charges against usg agents and is now serving 15 years should be very illuminating to every other us citizen | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | if you do what your government tells you to do you will end up with a life in prison sentence | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | this is what your government exists for : to put you in prison, for life. | [20:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.238 BTC [+] | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | never, ever, under any circumstances do what any agency tells you. not the sec, not the irs, not the judge, no one. | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | do the fucking opposite. | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | you'll probablystill go to jail, but note that STILL in there. | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | and at least you get tyo have some fun. | [20:07] |
chetty | do not go quietly into that long night | [20:08] |
asciilifeform | what really boggles my mind is all the folks (e.g. a. schwartz) who were turned loose, with the understanding that they'll report to jail at appointed hour, etc. and no radio collar, etc.; now, they probably won't be permitted in an airport, but mexico is not so far... | [20:08] |
thestringpuller | or make yourself disappear completely? | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | learned helplessness. is what makes domestic animals domestic | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | it's what makes herding possible | [20:09] |
asciilifeform | insult to animals. they sometimes have the sense to run. | [20:09] |
* | mius has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [20:09] |
TomServo | or repeatly fly into a window | [20:09] |
TomServo | repeatedly* | [20:10] |
pankkake | some animals and even plants cannot be domesticated | [20:10] |
asciilifeform | TomServo: that's the other kind of animal. reminiscent of the folks who still try to weasel their way into usa | [20:10] |
* | joecool has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [20:13] |
* | mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:13] |
* | drawingthesun has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [20:14] |
asciilifeform | lol re: fbi 'most wanted' list's #10. | [20:16] |
asciilifeform | lives openly and freely in moscow. | [20:16] |
mircea_popescu | re bio challenge : no. but this wasn't a magistrate was he | [20:16] |
asciilifeform | http://judgepedia.org/Michael_Thornsbury | [20:20] |
assbot | Michael Thornsbury - Judgepedia | [20:20] |
asciilifeform | right | [20:20] |
Mats_cd03 | exceedingly few animals are capable of domestication and tasty too | [20:22] |
mircea_popescu | "[Judge Thornsbury] engaged in criminal conspiracies to violate the constitutional rights of victim R.W. . .Judge Thornsbury conspired to plant illegal drugs on R.W.'s pickup truck; to have R.W. arrested for thefts he did not commit; to commandeer a state grand jury and use it to oppress R.W. and his family; and, after an incident in which R.W. was the victim of an assault, to arrange for R.W., rather than the perpetra | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | tor, to receive an exceptionally harsh sentence" | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | this is four years. | [20:25] |
asciilifeform | unrelated: cryptome: still dead. | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | and it doesn'teven end htere : | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | U.S. Magistrate Judge Dwane Tinsley set the arraignment for August 21, 2013 and released Thornsbury on a $10,000 unsecured bond. | [20:25] |
* | Dimsler (~dimsler@103.119.158.98.client.static.strong-in9.as13926.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:26] |
* | assbot removes voice from blackwhite_ | [20:26] |
TomServo | In the same article about the Mingo judge, they mention he tried to frame the husband of some woman he was fucking and was charged for that as well. | [20:29] |
TomServo | No mention of sentencing in that case however. | [20:29] |
* | random_cat has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;diff | [14:40] |
gribble | 1.1756551916903952E10 | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | hey, thenewdeal guy was pretty much spot on in theend ? | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,diff | [14:41] |
gribble | Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command. | [14:41] |
* | chainey (~chainey@unaffiliated/chainey) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [14:41] |
* | random_cat (~random_ca@gateway/tor-sasl/randomcat/x-49498005) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [14:42] |
* | chainey has quit (Quit: Connection reset by beer) | [14:48] |
* | davout (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [14:48] |
* | cads (~m@c-50-160-191-71.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [14:52] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0692002 = 0.4844 BTC [+] | [14:52] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bitbet-lol.jpg << some very smart people are discovering bitbet | [14:53] |
mircea_popescu | who linked it on reddit ? | [14:53] |
mike_c | ooh, is that the super-sekrit bitbet mod page? | [14:54] |
fluffypony | "Who will clinch the ill trophy" | [14:54] |
* | fluffypony votes yes | [14:54] |
mike_c | needs moar css | [14:55] |
fluffypony | mike_c: that's a good point | [14:56] |
* | blackwhite_ is now known as blackwhite | [14:56] |
fluffypony | that backend will never succeed without proper CSS | [14:56] |
fluffypony | and some JS animation | [14:56] |
fluffypony | bitbet is doomed! | [14:56] |
TomServo | ;;isitdown facebook.com | [14:56] |
gribble | facebook.com is up | [14:56] |
TomServo | whew | [14:56] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c yup | [14:57] |
mircea_popescu | it's actually a jool of functional functionality, kakobrekla just made it like this and it has needed very little fixing | [14:58] |
mircea_popescu | serves the mods quite comfortable. i think the man is talented. | [14:58] |
mike_c | kako doesn't understand job security | [15:00] |
mike_c | if it just works they don't need you anymore. | [15:00] |
fluffypony | he should have purposely crippled it | [15:00] |
* | benkay remembers to go down to the server room and unplug some client hardware | [15:00] |
Mats_cd03 | ill unplug your hardware | [15:01] |
Mats_cd03 | with garden shears | [15:01] |
* | darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [15:02] |
* | cryptoflood (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:02] |
* | random_cat has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [15:03] |
* | drawingthesun (~drawingth@106-69-24-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:04] |
* | random_cat (~random_ca@gateway/tor-sasl/randomcat/x-49498005) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:04] |
* | ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [15:05] |
* | lnostdal has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [15:05] |
* | lnostdal (~lnostdal@nl6x.mullvad.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:05] |
* | darlidada (~Decima`@unaffiliated/decima/x-7503346) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:07] |
* | mius has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [15:08] |
* | assbot gives voice to davout | [15:18] |
* | princessnell has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [15:20] |
Mats_cd03 | replace hardware with dong | [15:20] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@208.185.170.74) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:21] |
Mats_cd03 | https://soundcloud.com/astronauts-new-songs/skydive | [15:21] |
assbot | Skydive by Astronauts. on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds | [15:21] |
kakobrekla | i think thats the rendering from lynx. | [15:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1046 @ 0.0003565 = 0.3729 BTC [+] {4} | [15:22] |
benkay | why so hostile, Mats_cd03 | [15:24] |
* | BingoBoingo (~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:24] |
Mats_cd03 | i found pubes in my cereal this morning | [15:25] |
fluffypony | wow | [15:25] |
fluffypony | fun | [15:25] |
Mats_cd03 | whats so special about docker | [15:26] |
* | assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo | [15:26] |
Mats_cd03 | can somebody explain this to me | [15:26] |
benkay | containers for the derpy | [15:26] |
benkay | its f'n great. | [15:27] |
Mats_cd03 | and how is that different from a vps | [15:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.02987692 = 0.3884 BTC [+] {2} | [15:27] |
Mats_cd03 | https://soundcloud.com/jamesbaymusic/if-you-ever-want-to-be-in-love-1 | [15:28] |
assbot | If You Ever Want To Be In Love by James Bay on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds | [15:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.0299 = 0.6279 BTC [+] | [15:28] |
benkay | a vps you rent from a virtualization provider, docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization? | [15:30] |
asciilifeform | benkay: what's wrong with ordinary human sshd ? | [15:30] |
asciilifeform | (tunnel mode) | [15:30] |
asciilifeform | lemme guess, 'docker' comes with extra helping of derp? | [15:31] |
benkay | what does sshd have to do with docker? | [15:34] |
benkay | i use it to nail down environments for a single process | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | benkay: docker you install on some server you own to do your own virtualization << this ? | [15:35] |
FabianB | it's a tool to manage lxc containers for you, so kinda like a chroot with cgroups and snapshottable | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | (never heard of it before) | [15:35] |
benkay | i mean granted i don't know shit about shinola | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | aha | [15:35] |
benkay | yeah, what FabianB said | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | ok thought it was vpn substitute | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | for some reason | [15:35] |
asciilifeform | nm | [15:35] |
* | asciilifeform not quite awake, and doing 3 other things | [15:36] |
FabianB | no, many run it inside a vps | [15:36] |
* | bitstein (4672d988@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.114.217.136) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:36] |
fluffypony | I like to think of it as Bitcoin Testnet but for test environments | [15:36] |
* | assbot gives voice to bitstein | [15:37] |
benkay | can be run inside a vps as well | [15:37] |
thestringpuller | or on a toaster | [15:37] |
fluffypony | or on Usagi's My First Backup System | [15:37] |
* | Swadq has quit (Quit: Swadq) | [15:40] |
punkman | they even have a conference http://www.dockercon.com/ derp | [15:41] |
assbot | DockerCon 2014 | [15:41] |
benkay | conferences for actual tools aren't that bad of an idea compared to bitcoin conferences | [15:41] |
punkman | i guess now that their vc money came in they can splurge a bit | [15:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23799999 = 0.714 BTC [-] {2} | [15:43] |
punkman | how many talks about docker could one endure in two days though | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | from the life of a cryptolord : | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | mircea@inigo-montoya:/media/ce570767-bda1-4312-b09f-99a812e19f3e$ gpg 95bad940ebdc9bfcda86ea087d376ca179c59ebe | [15:44] |
fluffypony | you killed my father! prepare to die! | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | now say it in md5 lol | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | [15:45] | |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | [15:46] | |
mircea_popescu |
|
[15:47] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck do i do now | [15:47] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [15:49] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.85, Best ask: 650.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 650.0, 24 hour volume: 6690.75594717, 24 hour low: 641.01, 24 hour high: 657.41, 24 hour vwap: 649.408442812 | [15:49] |
BingoBoingo | !jd mpif | [15:49] |
assbot | Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.62354623 BTC; +0.05388901 BTC (+0.0316%) since last check 3h 59m 57s ago. | [15:49] |
BingoBoingo | I like the gallium torroid idea. I was thinking I might be useful for creating small bronze scultpures that could be remoulded almost like clay. | [15:51] |
Mats_cd03 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANTaUnBeKyw | [15:51] |
assbot | G. Love & Special Sauce - Nothing Quite Like Home - YouTube | [15:51] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#711784 | [15:52] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [15:52] |
asciilifeform | maybe good idea, but 'badBet' | [15:52] |
asciilifeform | to use kako's terminology | [15:52] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Well, I think retaliation from the Gallium upbidding cartel could take the form of upbidding Indium. iPhones can have problems too. | [15:53] |
kakobrekla | i thought it was english. | [15:53] |
asciilifeform | it'd be a shame, though, GaAs is costly enough as it is. | [15:54] |
* | Swadq (~Swadq@92.40.249.223.threembb.co.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:54] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah, and so many aesthetic uses, Like a liquid metal fountain out in the garden. | [15:55] |
asciilifeform | i'd leave this gedankenexperiment on the shelf. just because you can, doesn't mean that you must. but, on the other hand, nobody's gonna play tungsten games with 'gold' that's liquid at 30c. | [15:57] |
* | FabianB has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [15:58] |
* | FabianB (~fabian@unaffiliated/fabianb) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:59] |
* | Anon29486307 (~Anon29486@host86-139-66-126.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [15:59] |
BingoBoingo | It might take what, 1, 2 kilograms to fill a small fountain? The gallium might need changed out every couple seasons due to impurities? | [15:59] |
BingoBoingo | benkay: My setup looks like that unsee.cc pic I linked to fluffypony | [15:59] |
BingoBoingo | At least it does on the portable. | [15:59] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Belgium to make Round of 16 at 2014 World Cup" http://bitbet.us/bet/889/ | [15:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.238 = 0.476 BTC [+] | [16:00] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.239 BTC [+] | [16:03] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: also helps to remember that this 'gold' is approximately as abundant as lead in the earth's crust. but, considerably more energy-costly to extract (byproduct of Al refinement) | [16:03] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Of course, in that way it is like silver, but with a more predictable extraction rate. | [16:04] |
asciilifeform | predictable until some bozo starts buying by the megaton. | [16:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23996553 = 1.4398 BTC [+] {2} | [16:05] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: i suggested it as 'coin' simply as thought experiment in generalizing the 'use-value' of btc. that is, material that cannot be confused with anything else (Hg, for instance, on top of being rather common, can be substituted with 'gallinstan' alloy. but you can't raise melting point of Ga by mixing in impurities - only lower it) | [16:06] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Bayern beats Major League Soccer" http://bitbet.us/bet/890/ | [16:06] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/hashfast-reorganize-chapter-11-bankruptcy/ | [16:07] |
* | zoinky has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [16:07] |
asciilifeform | a NdFeB or SmCo magnet would likewise make a very 'solid' coin, from that perspective | [16:08] |
asciilifeform | testable as genuine with a dollar's worth of gear. | [16:08] |
asciilifeform | no need to weigh it, even | [16:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.02999999 = 0.9 BTC [+] | [16:09] |
asciilifeform | just squeeze it into a size/depth gauge and determine 'pull' | [16:09] |
asciilifeform | don't keep these 'coins' with your bank cards... | [16:10] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Clint Dempsey wins MLS MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/891/ | [16:10] |
* | cads has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [16:13] |
mike_c | hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | [16:13] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [16:13] |
* | jordandotdev (uid7502@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypcqpndkzvlknccy) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:13] |
mike_c | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" | [16:13] |
* | lnostdal has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [16:13] |
* | cads (~m@c-50-160-191-71.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:13] |
asciilifeform | speaking of NdFeB: turns out one can now get man-portable, cryogen-free nmr machines based on rare earth magnet. 20k usd or so, used. | [16:14] |
asciilifeform | never mix up red and blue pill again... | [16:14] |
* | assbot gives voice to Namworld | [16:15] |
Namworld | Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. | [16:15] |
Namworld | NMR machine? | [16:15] |
* | zoinky (~Adium@unaffiliated/zoinky) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:15] |
benkay | ah, ty BingoBoingo | [16:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-] | [16:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02390713 = 0.3108 BTC [-] {2} | [16:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02380399 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {3} | [16:20] |
* | mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:24] |
* | bitstein has quit (Quit: Page closed) | [16:28] |
* | lnostdal (~lnostdal@175.80-203-136.nextgentel.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:28] |
BingoBoingo | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/its-official-malicious-hackers-have-crappy-password-hygiene-too/ | [16:35] |
assbot | Its official: Malicious hackers have crappy password hygiene, too | Ars Technica | [16:35] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Seattle Sounders MLS Champions" http://bitbet.us/bet/892/ | [16:35] |
dignork | asciilifeform: for the pills - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo | [16:36] |
assbot | SCiO: Your Sixth Sense. A Pocket Molecular Sensor For All ! by Consumer Physics, Inc. — Kickstarter | [16:36] |
* | chetty has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [16:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [-] | [16:37] |
* | wolverineks2 (~atomic@cpe-75-80-171-246.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:38] |
BingoBoingo | %book | [16:38] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Jose Abreu AL Rookie of the Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/893/ | [16:38] |
atcbot | 2k@270 2k@269 20k@265 | 3k@144 50k@143 175k@142 | [16:38] |
* | kermit has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [16:38] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: scio << classic kickstarturd | [16:38] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: That's diginork's link. If such a kickstarter succeeded I wouldn't trust it to identify interesting things... | [16:39] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Andy Murray to win Wimbledon 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/894/ | [16:40] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: the claim of protein/fat content through surface ir spectroscopy is truly precious. | [16:43] |
dignork | it would probably differentiate metal from stone, usability close to zero, but amusing | [16:43] |
asciilifeform | how does anyone fall for this garbage ? | [16:43] |
asciilifeform | don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? | [16:43] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: That is one concern. The other is identifying tylenol through the tablet's way? | [16:43] |
asciilifeform | i didn't see mortar/pestle in the photo, sorta assumed it must've been there | [16:44] |
BingoBoingo | Even then, I'd expect it to report a lot of cornstarch, stearate and lipid esters | [16:45] |
asciilifeform | the sad part is, 'cyranose' (1990s product based on an oddball solid state gas column) actually worked. | [16:46] |
asciilifeform | locked up in patent purgatory to this day, afaik | [16:46] |
* | mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [16:46] |
* | alex_c (~Alex@79.114.4.223) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:47] |
asciilifeform | e.g. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC149373 | [16:47] |
assbot | Bacteria classification using Cyranose 320 electronic nose | [16:47] |
asciilifeform | seems like the homeland seekoority bozos might've swallowed it. | [16:48] |
BingoBoingo | Even supposing the thing identifies tylenol it isn't identifying any interesting high molecular weight compounds | [16:48] |
asciilifeform | anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. | [16:48] |
mike_c | http://www.coinalytics.co/ | [16:52] |
assbot | Coinalytics | [16:52] |
mike_c | you guys need to start taking the right decisions. | [16:52] |
* | belcher (~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [16:55] |
los_pantalones | take a discripined decision | [16:56] |
* | tla is now known as tla_ | [17:02] |
* | tla_ is now known as tla | [17:03] |
* | wolverineks2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [17:03] |
* | cads has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [17:05] |
* | alex_c has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [17:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14988 @ 0.00085128 = 12.759 BTC [-] | [17:08] |
* | kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 106 @ 0.0505008 = 5.3531 BTC [-] {4} | [17:13] |
* | BingoBoingo has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [17:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00085154 = 5.237 BTC [+] {2} | [17:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0707999 = 0.2124 BTC [+] | [17:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0008508 = 8.0826 BTC [-] | [17:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00227926 = 0.1003 BTC [+] | [17:26] |
* | diatonic (~diatonic@unaffiliated/diatonic) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:27] |
* | smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...) | [17:27] |
* | blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite) | [17:28] |
benkay | lol that email form | [17:31] |
benkay | that designer is fired. | [17:31] |
* | BingoBoingo (~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:31] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: a very special find: http://archiveofourown.org/works/1664801?view_adult=true | [17:31] |
assbot | A Penetration Artist - Deep Shit (infinitebutthole) - KAFKA Franz - Works [Archive of Our Own] | [17:31] |
benkay | too clever. not usable. | [17:32] |
* | atcbot has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | lampelina has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | kakobrekla has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | danielpbarron has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | kanzure has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | Kushed has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | gribble has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
* | MCM-Mike has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:33] |
mike_c | don't be stuck in the 90's. usability should never trump slick design. | [17:33] |
* | danielpbarron (~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:33] |
* | kanzure (~kanzure@131.252.130.248) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:33] |
* | Kushed (~Kushedout@adsl-69-231-119-247.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:33] |
* | MCM-Mike (~MCM-Mike@unaffiliated/mcm-mike) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:33] |
benkay | graceful...nevermind. | [17:34] |
* | cypherc_ (~user@f212009.upc-f.chello.nl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:35] |
* | cypherc_ has quit (Client Quit) | [17:35] |
* | gribble (~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:36] |
* | ChanServ gives voice to gribble | [17:36] |
* | pi07r (~user@109.201.152.238) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:36] |
* | BingoBoingo has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [17:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9877 @ 0.00085171 = 8.4123 BTC [+] {3} | [17:38] |
* | toddf_ (~todd@2001:470:817c:10:207:e9ff:fe10:a36c) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:38] |
* | lampelina (~lampi@78.46.215.65) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:39] |
* | lampelina has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [17:41] |
* | kakobreklaa (~kako@78.46.215.65) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:42] |
* | lampelina (~lampi@78.46.215.65) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:42] |
* | assbot gives voice to danielpbarron | [17:43] |
* | mikaeldice_ (~mikaeldic@unaffiliated/mikaeldice) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:45] |
* | daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | [17:47] |
* | Poffertje_ (~name@212.7.208.83) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:49] |
* | pi07r has quit (Quit: leaving) | [17:53] |
* | belcher has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | Namworld has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | toddf has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | knotwork__ has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | punkman has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | Poffertje has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | mikaeldice has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | DefectiveNu1 has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | trixisowned has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
* | deizel has quit (*.net *.split) | [17:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.028 = 2.8 BTC [-] | [17:54] |
* | trixisowned (~lol111lll@174-29-53-132.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:56] |
* | pi07r (~user@109.201.152.238) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:56] |
* | punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:57] |
* | belcher (~belcher-s@unaffiliated/belcher) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:58] |
* | knotwork__ (~markm@unaffiliated/knotwork) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [17:59] |
* | kermit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [18:00] |
* | kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:01] |
* | blackwhite (~blackwhit@198.254.112.34) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02999999 = 0.45 BTC [+] | [18:03] |
* | pi07r has quit (Quit: leaving) | [18:05] |
* | cads (~m@c-50-160-191-71.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0008508 = 8.9759 BTC [-] | [18:07] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@107-211-136-240.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:07] |
* | DefectiveNu1 (~Henry@pool-173-54-1-90.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:08] |
* | deizel (~deizel@37.139.15.64) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:08] |
* | princessnell has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [18:10] |
* | aabtc has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | [18:11] |
* | lampelina has quit (Changing host) | [18:12] |
* | lampelina (~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:12] |
* | punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [18:13] |
* | assbot gives voice to lampelina | [18:14] |
* | blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite) | [18:16] |
* | punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:16] |
jurov | technetium coins for sale! buy while still fresh! | [18:21] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [18:22] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@107-211-136-240.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:22] |
jurov | ...technetium alloy cut with gold and palladium would be perfect for | [18:26] |
jurov | high-value coinage. “Hard, bright, untarnishable and rare, it would be the | [18:26] |
jurov | numismatist’s answer to diamond, for such a coin might last nearly forever.” | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-] | [18:26] |
* | jurov googled shit | [18:26] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [18:27] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@107-211-136-240.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:28] |
* | samson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [18:28] |
jurov | http://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/M/Mccarthy,%20Wil/Wil%20McCarthy%20-%20The%20Technetium%20Rush.pdf | [18:29] |
* | samson_ (~ukru@223.204.88.235) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:29] |
* | punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:31] |
* | punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [18:31] |
* | Swadq has quit (Quit: Swadq) | [18:32] |
* | blackwhite (~blackwhit@198.254.112.34) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 50 @ 0.028 = 1.4 BTC [-] | [18:37] |
* | ninjashogun (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:37] |
* | bitstein (48b66859@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.182.104.89) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:37] |
* | assbot gives voice to bitstein | [18:38] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@pool-96-255-149-39.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:39] |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:40] |
* | Namworld has quit (Excess Flood) | [18:40] |
* | atcbot (1edded8fa0@rider.us) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:41] |
* | ChanServ gives voice to atcbot | [18:41] |
benkay | moar | [18:41] |
benkay | coffee | [18:41] |
* | cads has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [18:42] |
* | princessnell has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | [18:44] |
* | alecpap has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [18:47] |
* | MarcSummers has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [18:48] |
* | Sebastan (~Sebastian@95-91-215-58-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.02383737 = 0.3099 BTC [-] {3} | [18:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0707999 = 1.416 BTC [+] | [18:48] |
thestringpuller | Damn | [18:48] |
thestringpuller | silent as fuck today | [18:48] |
thestringpuller | something big about to go down ain't it? | [18:49] |
benkay | get back to your pomodoros ;) | [18:49] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@pool-96-255-149-39.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:49] |
mike_c | everybody's behind schedule. | [18:49] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: something big about to go down << mp did mention preparing some new thing | [18:49] |
* | princessnell has quit (Changing host) | [18:50] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@unaffiliated/princessnell) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:50] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:50] |
* | userguy243 (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:51] |
* | assbot gives voice to princessnell | [18:51] |
* | userguy243 has quit (Client Quit) | [18:52] |
* | userguy243 (~User@catv-212-96-61-236.catv.broadband.hu) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:52] |
* | ninjashogun has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | [18:53] |
* | ThickAsThieves has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [18:54] |
* | assbot gives voice to artifexd | [18:55] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 301 @ 0.00047635 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} | [18:56] |
* | davout_ (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [18:57] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [18:57] |
asciilifeform | jurov: technetium coin << afaik, fiction. but, idea. | [18:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0238 = 0.1666 BTC [-] | [18:58] |
* | userguy243 is now known as ninjashogun | [18:58] |
* | davout has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [19:00] |
* | MarcSummers (~k@46.166.186.212) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:01] |
* | blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite) | [19:01] |
* | weenfan has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [19:01] |
* | davout_ has quit (Client Quit) | [19:01] |
* | diatonic has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [19:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 14 @ 0.08888 = 1.2443 BTC [-] | [19:08] |
* | weenfan (weenfan@ip174-65-10-71.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:08] |
* | equex has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [19:08] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-] | [19:16] |
* | mckmuze (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:16] |
* | eqx_zZz (~a@ti0129a430-1101.bb.online.no) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:17] |
* | chainey (~chainey@unaffiliated/chainey) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {4} | [19:18] |
* | eqx_zZz is now known as equex | [19:18] |
* | cryptoflood has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [19:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [-] | [19:20] |
* | princessnell has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [19:20] |
* | assbot gives voice to kakobreklaa | [19:21] |
* | kakobreklaa is now known as kakobrekla | [19:22] |
* | kakobrekla has quit (Changing host) | [19:22] |
* | kakobrekla (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:22] |
* | barjavel.freenode.net gives voice to kakobrekla | [19:22] |
* | chainey has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [19:23] |
* | samson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [19:23] |
* | samson_ (~ukru@180.183.162.23) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 32 @ 0.08 = 2.56 BTC [-] | [19:25] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [19:27] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@107-211-136-240.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] | [19:28] |
* | princessnell (~princessn@pool-96-255-149-39.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:28] |
mike_c | pop quiz (no cheating). name a company with mkt cap > $200b and p/e > 20. | [19:32] |
mircea_popescu | exxon is over 200bn fo sho | [19:33] |
* | tla is now known as Guest69637 | [19:33] |
* | Guest69637 has quit (Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) | [19:33] |
mike_c | pe = 14 | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | was more like 4 iirc | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [19:33] |
mike_c | challenging, right? these companies shouldn't exist. | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | how about the china oil corp ? | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | w/e it was called | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | also icbc maybe | [19:34] |
mike_c | far as i can tell china companies have crappy pe's. | [19:35] |
mike_c | google is the one that got me looking. | [19:35] |
* | tla_ (~tla@unaffiliated/tla) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:35] |
mike_c | $380b at a fking 30 p/e | [19:35] |
* | jborkl has quit (Quit: jborkl) | [19:35] |
mike_c | others are proctor/gamble, novartis, and royal dutch. | [19:35] |
mircea_popescu | no look, petrochina : 130bn net over 1 trn equity | [19:36] |
mike_c | hm, the petrochina ADR i see has $225b cap and pe 11 | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | i see goog actual at 15.3 pe | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | what figures exactly are you working on ? | [19:37] |
* | BingoBoingo (~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | Diluted EPS Excluding Extraordinary Items 5.33 trading 560ish | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | (mrq) | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, petrochina is ptr on nyse | [19:39] |
* | assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo | [19:39] |
mike_c | ;;calc 560 / (5.34 * 4) | [19:40] |
gribble | 26.2172284644 | [19:40] |
mike_c | unless my math is borked, that is a hefty pe for a company that big. | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | trading 120ish, Diluted Normalized EPS 0.19 mrq | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 120 / 4 / .19 | [19:41] |
gribble | 157.894736842 | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | 157 pe there you go | [19:41] |
cazalla | i don't think there are any australian ones, i think BHP Billiton has cap of like 50-60b | [19:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4397 @ 0.00085204 = 3.7464 BTC [+] | [19:41] |
* | dR3___ (~dR3@d142-179-255-10.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | and icbc is actually listed... on the fucking pink sheets. idcby | [19:42] |
mike_c | where yo ugetting that number? i see PTR mrq is 2.92 eps | [19:42] |
mike_c | ;;calc 120 / (2.92 *4) | [19:42] |
gribble | 10.2739726027 | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3APTR&fstype=ii&ei=c4mXU4ipKcea6AGPz4DgCQ << | [19:42] |
assbot | Financial Statements for PetroChina Company Limited (ADR) - Google Finance | [19:43] |
mircea_popescu | dn eps is the last item on the page | [19:43] |
* | go1111111 has quit (K-Lined) | [19:43] |
mike_c | that number is wrong i believe | [19:44] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [19:44] |
* | dR3 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [19:44] |
BingoBoingo | OMG It's another LABCOIN!!! Amazing Petro!!! | [19:44] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [19:45] |
* | mckmuze has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [19:45] |
mircea_popescu | i still can't quite believe icbc is listed as a pink wtf bbq | [19:45] |
* | mckmuze (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:45] |
mircea_popescu | thing has like half a million emplouyees all over theworld. | [19:46] |
mike_c | yeah, google's out to fucking lunch. that number is wrong | [19:46] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c maybe their own numbers are wrong too then ? :D | [19:47] |
mike_c | look at the summary at the top. 22b shares * $123 = $225b mkt cap?? | [19:47] |
mike_c | that's some fuzzy math | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | i think they use an avg | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | 123 is last close orsomething | [19:48] |
BingoBoingo | I'm telling you they hired Armandi to be their shadow CEO | [19:48] |
mike_c | 22b * $123 = $2.5 T. that is pretty far off | [19:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.08697123 = 0.6958 BTC [+] {5} | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 225 / 22 | [19:48] |
gribble | 10.2272727273 | [19:48] |
mike_c | see? they added a zero. | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | lol hm. | [19:49] |
mike_c | google: 0 mike: 1 | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.icbc-ltd.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/ICBC/Resources/ICBCLTD/download/2014/FirstQuarterlyReportof2014.pdf << the icbc statement | [19:50] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | net 73,461 ; 0.21 d eps. | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | so there. this is a definite. | [19:51] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [19:51] |
* | assbot gives voice to mthreat | [19:51] |
mike_c | right, but what is $123 in yuan | [19:51] |
mthreat | mike_c: AMZN is close, $150B cap, 520 PE | [19:51] |
mike_c | your definite is in some other currency. | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | the 0.21 d eps is in RMB yuans | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | and iut's been trading at about 12.83 usd/share on otc | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | (aka 80 rmb) | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 80 / 4 / .21 | [19:53] |
gribble | 95.2380952381 | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | there. 95. | [19:53] |
mike_c | ok, so icbc is on the list then. | [19:53] |
mike_c | sell that one too | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | i wouldn't. | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | it's owned by the chinese govt, and a tool of its foreign policy. | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | a rather close approximation of mpex, for that matter. | [19:54] |
mike_c | sell gazprom as well | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | you're young and therefore naive :) | [19:54] |
mike_c | look, idk wtf goes on in china. i'm just saying, dump GOOG, PG, novartis and royal dutch. | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | goog i can see. novartis maybe. royal dutch no. | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | and the chinese/russian/etc royal entreprises no, either. | [19:55] |
mike_c | well nobody actually sells oil companies | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | not unless you're a sovereign yourself, ready able and willing to go to war with the sovereigns backing them | [19:55] |
mike_c | gimme a year | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | so maybe you sell them in a year then. | [19:55] |
mike_c | :) plus, i actually hold some PG and i ain't selling that either. | [19:56] |
mike_c | everybody needs toothpaste | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | im actually mildly short on us crapola, from google to the rest of the "Tech" sector. | [19:56] |
mike_c | aapl is under $100 now! totally a good reason for the stock to shoot up 20%! | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, right, because that's how it works. | [19:57] |
mike_c | mthreat: amzn doesn't count, they aren't trying to make money. | [19:58] |
mircea_popescu | hm, come to think of it, perhaps it could be argued im not even THAT mildly short. i'm like 600k in against brk publicly | [19:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0708 = 0.2124 BTC [+] | [20:01] |
* | mjr_ (~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:05] |
fluffypony | usagi confuses me | [20:10] |
fluffypony | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7238720#msg7238720 | [20:10] |
assbot | BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated] | [20:10] |
fluffypony | "And yes, as I mentioned quite a number of times, not only do we have off-site backups I am mirroring daily backups to a Synology DS-4 I keep in my office." | [20:10] |
fluffypony | if he had/has off-site backups why even bother posting in the first place? | [20:11] |
dub | one does not understand a usagi | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony you spend entirely too much time on usagi. | [20:12] |
dub | ^ | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | take blondie out, at least she's ACTUALLY female. | [20:12] |
fluffypony | hah hah | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, he doesn't have an office, he worked as a sort of that-fat--and-gay-guy-in-high-fidelity | [20:13] |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:13] |
* | Namworld has quit (Excess Flood) | [20:13] |
* | cryptoflood (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:13] |
* | mckmuze has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | [20:14] |
* | Duffer1 (~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:19] |
* | equex has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [20:21] |
* | Sebastan has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [20:22] |
* | bitcoinhtx has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [20:23] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.1 = 1.2 BTC [+] | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | !up cryptoflood | [20:28] |
-assbot- | You voiced cryptoflood for 30 minutes. | [20:28] |
* | assbot gives voice to cryptoflood | [20:28] |
* | SuchWow has quit (Quit: rebootski) | [20:28] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2399 BTC [-] | [20:30] |
* | miaoux has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [20:30] |
* | miaoux (~miaoux@host81-159-62-128.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07086666 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {2} | [20:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0020904 = 0.1254 BTC [-] | [20:31] |
BingoBoingo | fluffypony: You have to realize arguing with Usagi is worthless. He has too many aspersation to experience any sort of self examination. | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c: hashfast ceo one month ago: "I joined this company a month ago because the team is amazing and we are not scammers" | today: "we're bankrupt. I'm outta here" << fucking exactly. | [20:33] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | and on top of it, they get all butthurt when they're treated to a heapful of stfu and go read the logs for a year on the FIRST announcement. | [20:33] |
mike_c | well, they know better | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | ya right. and who even told eduardo decastro he can be a ceo anyway. | [20:34] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe we should start selling canned STFU. | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://hashfast.com/eduardo-decastro-ceo-receiving-the-wafers/ | [20:34] |
fluffypony | lol | [20:34] |
assbot | Eduardo deCastro, CEO, receiving the wafers! | HashFast | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld: Those coins would shatter easily and be kinda troublesome. << yeah the shatter factor is a problem. also, god help you if you're trying to carry say a 20 lb bag of them in the street. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | well... on the optimistic side... you'll prolly have no trouble catching the bus. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | "Based on a statistical analysis of the recovered passwords, Hýža constructed two character sets that stood the best chance of quickly cracking the remaining undeciphered passcodes. The shorter of the two contained just 28 characters: acdehiklmnorstu01234579!-.@_" | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | as to why humans make shitty rngs | [20:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] | [20:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24 = 0.96 BTC [+] | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2014#712142 yet "11,665 Backers $2,480,795 pledged of $200,000 goal 4 days to go" | [20:39] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | curious what sort of magic kickstarter can turn out of 2.5mn | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: don't they make anyone use actual ir spectrometer in school now? << no. because it'd be racist. | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: anyone who buys a berth on mp's 'we piss on patents' atomic battleship should give 'cyranose' a thought. << this is a good point actually. | [20:42] |
BingoBoingo | http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/06/stop-shovel-time.html | [20:42] |
assbot | Doctor Grumpy in the House: Stop!... Shovel time! | [20:42] |
* | mckmuze (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | "Coinalytics receives seed funding as one of 500 Startups first Bitcoin ventures" | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | lolk. | [20:43] |
* | ninjashogun has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [20:44] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c:everybody's behind schedule. < :D | [20:44] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:45] |
* | cryptoflood has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | [20:45] |
mike_c | except me of course, i'm just naturally quiet. | [20:45] |
BingoBoingo | Jobs to revive in the serene republic http://www.birchingtonheritage.org.uk/articles/dogacre.htm | [20:46] |
assbot | Jennie Dog Acre Article | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | ahhh history. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2012/lunea-intunericoasa-ca-sa-nu-zicem-de-a-dreptu-neagra-ca-i-urit-si-ne-citesc-inclusiv-copii-de-tita/ | [20:48] |
assbot | Lunea intunericoasa ca sa nu zicem de-a dreptu’ neagra ca-i urit si ne citesc inclusiv copii de tita. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | this is an article about the black monday, which you're prolly mostly too young to remember. | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | about 4% of the monetary mass in circulation sold out, bitcoin dropped from 5.3 to 4.5, and people were in agreeemnt that it's prolly the end | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | "all high volume is on red candles, forget it" etc | [20:49] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/strange-things-people-think/ | [20:49] |
* | bitcoinhtx (~bitcoinht@c-98-194-250-243.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:52] |
* | SuchWow (~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [20:55] |
BingoBoingo | Wait, Sal Inglesa | [20:56] |
*dignork* | PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :this kickstarter project, looks somewhat scammy, but in their presentation they detect amount of fat(?) in different types of cheese | [20:57] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_inglesa: I have a feeling the Argentines are going to start refering to Bitcoin as Money Inglesa before too long... | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | it would not surprise me. | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | crypto inglesa | [21:01] |
mthreat | mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | mthreat wait, what ?! | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared | [21:01] |
BingoBoingo | Crypto Inglesa sounds more like GPG | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo no that's correo inglesa | [21:01] |
mthreat | mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines | [21:02] |
mthreat | again, unverified | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | i think i even have pics published on trilema somewhere of this in san antonio tx | [21:02] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob. | [21:02] |
mthreat | i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D | [21:03] |
* | Duffer1 has quit (Quit: Duffer1) | [21:08] |
BingoBoingo | One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws | [21:08] |
* | mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [21:09] |
* | lnovy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [21:09] |
BingoBoingo | I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes) | [21:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27098 @ 0.00085375 = 23.1349 BTC [+] {3} | [21:17] |
* | belcher has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [21:18] |
BingoBoingo | Were we still looking at the back part of July? | [21:20] |
BingoBoingo | http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=7&calendar=DEFAULT and August http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=8&calendar=DEFAULT | [21:20] |
assbot | Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule | [21:20] |
assbot | Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule | [21:20] |
BingoBoingo | Oops thestringpuller | [21:20] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/general-surgery/ | [21:21] |
assbot | American Board of General Surgery to Add Section on Barbering | Medical Satire - GomerBlog | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece. | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | god i love this chan | [21:22] |
mircea_popescu | (it's not done yet, but should be in a coupla hours) | [21:23] |
* | Quanttek has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [21:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: what are you using that has 'll' ? unix system V ? | [21:27] |
asciilifeform | (mentioned in footnote to 'strange things people think') | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | ... minix ? | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | dude srsly ? fucking ubuntu has ll. debian has ll. | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | what doesn't have ll | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | me. | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | lol ok | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | why not ? ls sucks | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | (to be fair, if i didn't build it from src, it's not here) | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | (it's just an alias for ls -l you know) | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | sure | [21:30] |
asciilifeform | a little retro | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | well ya. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | ls should be -l by default anyway. | [21:30] |
asciilifeform | ltr | [21:30] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed? | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ? | [21:31] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free | [21:31] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs. | [21:32] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched | [21:32] |
mike_c | trippy. imma go throw up now. http://amiagoodperson.tumblr.com/ | [21:33] |
assbot | am i really a good person? | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | e.g. electric nose, retinal projection display, various biological strange | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform maybe | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | it's a complex problem | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | more examples - anything to do with wavelets | [21:34] |
asciilifeform | one could make a tedious list | [21:34] |
* | mius has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | [21:34] |
* | mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [21:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9064 @ 0.00085612 = 7.7599 BTC [+] | [21:35] |
* | BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power... | [21:35] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now | [21:37] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) | [21:38] |
BingoBoingo | Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0252.txt | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | ^ yarvin as a kid, when he was more fun | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0234.html | [21:39] |
assbot | cDc paramedia: texXxt #234 | [21:39] |
asciilifeform | ^ ditto | [21:39] |
* | lnostdal has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [21:40] |
BingoBoingo | Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists. | [21:40] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | circa... 2009? | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | that narrowed the candidate list to 1. | [21:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22239 @ 0.00084961 = 18.8945 BTC [-] {3} | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | at least that's when i (not acquainted with the man personally) learned the truth | [21:42] |
BingoBoingo | Interesting how this works. | [21:43] |
asciilifeform | that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor | [21:44] |
asciilifeform | and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...) | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | going back to mr mold: | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.' | [21:48] |
asciilifeform | 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.' | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.' | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.' | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | (end of mega-quote.) | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html | [21:49] |
assbot | Unqualified Reservations: My Navrozov moments | [21:49] |
asciilifeform | ^ the piece in question | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | [21:49] | |
mircea_popescu | similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously. | [21:50] |
asciilifeform | 'tight' understood to mean, actually making an effort to conceal your human name | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | ya | [21:50] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, no research is ever fraudulent. | [21:51] |
benkay | oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop." | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | the historyof nonsense is still scholarship | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | one just has to be jewish enough about it. | [21:51] |
BingoBoingo | I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | 300 dollar shirt << chain mail? | [21:52] |
mircea_popescu | no lol | [21:52] |
BingoBoingo | I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports... | [21:52] |
asciilifeform | what other shirt has 'obvious' price | [21:52] |
* | lnostdal (~lnostdal@80.203.136.175) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [21:53] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: W-metal shirt | [21:53] |
BingoBoingo | Or Z-weighted shirt | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [21:53] |
* | BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters. | [21:54] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: ? | [21:56] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay. | [21:58] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners | [22:00] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles | [22:00] |
asciilifeform | a fine example, actually, of solving wrong engineering problem | [22:02] |
asciilifeform | consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack' | [22:02] |
* | jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:02] |
asciilifeform | most people, at least, have the sense to solve the latter problem another way. | [22:02] |
BingoBoingo | Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations. | [22:03] |
BingoBoingo | I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked... | [22:04] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method | [22:04] |
asciilifeform | and thus off by 200+km without fail | [22:05] |
benkay | [22:05] | |
benkay | (as well) | [22:05] |
asciilifeform | can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target | [22:06] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet... | [22:06] |
* | jborkl has quit (Client Quit) | [22:07] |
BingoBoingo | So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy... | [22:07] |
asciilifeform | radio-seeking guidance is sop even now. | [22:07] |
benkay | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/09/hidden-deep-inside-the-oregon-woods-is-a-boeing-727-and-it-wasnt-parked-there-by-accident/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons | [22:08] |
assbot | Hidden Deep Inside the Oregon Woods Is a Boeing 727 and It Wasnt Parked There by Accident | Video | TheBlaze.com | [22:08] |
benkay | see, cascadia's full of rad old coots | [22:08] |
asciilifeform | (for short-range rockets) | [22:08] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone. | [22:09] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/10/the_official_live_thread_of_the_south_carolina_and_virginia_primaries.html | [22:09] |
assbot | Eric Cantor Loses: The Official Live Thread of the South Carolina and Virginia Primaries | [22:09] |
* | rmerritt (~rmerritt@ns4005958.ip-192-99-12.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:10] |
asciilifeform | a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison | [22:10] |
asciilifeform | so they all got rocketed. | [22:11] |
asciilifeform | (triangulation) | [22:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+] | [22:12] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ ===== | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | [22:15] | |
* | princessnell has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [22:16] |
asciilifeform | on battleship, harass neighbours with... exocets | [22:16] |
BingoBoingo | Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now... | [22:16] |
dub | benkay reinforces another jew stereotype | [22:17] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014&bots=true#488932 | [22:17] |
assbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | !up rmerritt | [22:17] |
-assbot- | You voiced rmerritt for 30 minutes. | [22:17] |
* | assbot gives voice to rmerritt | [22:17] |
* | jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:18] |
* | bitstein has quit (Quit: Page closed) | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | [22:19] | |
mircea_popescu | the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless. | [22:19] |
mike_c | what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought | [22:19] |
mike_c | just homes in on strongest source. | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | mike_c: consider the question of how one finds the strongest source. | [22:19] |
BingoBoingo | mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts? | [22:19] |
mike_c | i did not. | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses | [22:20] |
BingoBoingo | Ah | [22:20] |
mike_c | what, it plunks in the middle? | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | sort-of yea | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | beauty is, you can now do experiment (vs gedankenexperiment) yourself, just need ~$100 and local computer junk shop | [22:20] |
mike_c | and a HARM | [22:20] |
asciilifeform | buy 'wifi' locator keychain and a box of old routers. | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c just the seeking part. | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | diy, 50 bux | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better. | [22:21] |
mike_c | well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers. | [22:21] |
mike_c | as long as you know which way is up.. | [22:21] |
mike_c | ignore signals from down. | [22:21] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: re: tale: take with requisite grain of whatever salt, it was told by a russian | [22:22] |
asciilifeform | !up jborkl | [22:22] |
* | assbot gives voice to jborkl | [22:22] |
jborkl | Thank you | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that | [22:22] |
mike_c | not always, but when you are designing for it you can. | [22:22] |
asciilifeform | mike_c: clouds - moon, if you want! are... reflective. | [22:22] |
asciilifeform | if you need, it can 'come from down' | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but | [22:23] |
BingoBoingo | And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | (how do we pick it up? open a textbook, pll...) | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | [22:23] | |
BingoBoingo | Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up' | [22:24] |
asciilifeform | think about it | [22:24] |
jborkl | My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours | [22:24] |
jborkl | Not sure if it is traffic or ? | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl welcome to the internet. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 7000 * 3600 * 24 / (1024 ** 3) | [22:25] |
gribble | 0.563263893127 | [22:25] |
asciilifeform | jborkl: 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc | [22:25] |
mike_c | asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no? | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think. | [22:25] |
BingoBoingo | mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution | [22:26] |
mike_c | i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam | [22:26] |
mike_c | but i think it is now | [22:26] |
asciilifeform | mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason) | [22:26] |
* | tla_ has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0.1/20140514131124]) | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic. | [22:27] |
BingoBoingo | Most under rated turn of the century film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186566/ | [22:27] |
assbot | Space Cowboys (2000) - IMDb | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | it certainly isn't nowhere near today. | [22:27] |
asciilifeform | modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam | [22:27] |
asciilifeform | for this reason. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | also for this reason | [22:28] |
BingoBoingo | And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft... | [22:28] |
mike_c | yeah but we got lots of uav's | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase. | [22:28] |
asciilifeform | obligatory: | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | ;;google you and the atomic bomb | [22:29] |
gribble | George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: |
[22:29] |
BingoBoingo | The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II | [22:29] |
BingoBoingo | Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age. | [22:29] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo in actual history it wasn't so bad. | [22:30] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:30] |
BingoBoingo | Ghandi was just a Brown Edward Teller | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov. | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant. | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia' | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | you mean everyone on reddit ? | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | 'i built Woman's Suffrage, can now research Atomic Power !' | [22:31] |
BingoBoingo | Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else... | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests : | [22:31] |
* | asciilifeform started and ended with civ-1 | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2011/sid-meiers-civilisation-3/ | [22:32] |
assbot | Sid Meier’s Civilisation (3) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | me single town owning world. | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | shit sorry wrong link | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2011/revelatie-nocturna/ < that one | [22:33] |
assbot | Revelatie nocturna pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [22:33] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | wasn;t it in game ? | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, 70k gold +1k per turn. sexy! | [22:35] |
asciilifeform | mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez. | [22:35] |
* | mike_c has quit () | [22:35] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked. | [22:36] |
* | CoalPowerGorilla has quit (Quit: a) | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | nice huh | [22:36] |
BingoBoingo | That is a beautiful situation you fell into | [22:36] |
* | cryptoflood (~cryptoflo@71-84-46-68.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084872 = 2.3764 BTC [-] | [22:37] |
* | cryptoflood has quit (Client Quit) | [22:37] |
* | Poffertje_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [22:38] |
BingoBoingo | Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules. | [22:38] |
* | asciilifeform played as barbarians... | [22:38] |
BingoBoingo | :D | [22:38] |
* | Poffertje (~name@212.7.208.83) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [22:39] |
* | asciilifeform ashamed, probably spent more time patching games than playing | [22:39] |
BingoBoingo | Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun. | [22:39] |
* | mckmuze has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [22:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00084942 = 7.2668 BTC [+] {2} | [22:41] |
BingoBoingo | rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time | [22:41] |
jborkl | So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow | [22:42] |
jborkl | And see what's up | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: speaking of radio triangulation, cryptome is back - with: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/dea-nsa-sandkey.pdf | [22:43] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu, others: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/iron-box-security.htm | [22:43] |
* | darlidada has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | [22:43] |
asciilifeform | (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist) | [22:43] |
BingoBoingo | Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad? | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: sit down for this one. they don't use pgp either... | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ | [22:44] |
assbot | Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | trilema serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ? | [22:45] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. | [22:45] |
jborkl | Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.' | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | so grep the log for unique ips | [22:45] |
benkay | [22:45] | |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ? | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | aok | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) | [22:47] |
benkay | ;;google agenture | [22:47] |
gribble | Agenture apparel manufacturing, Bestbase group | LinkedIn: |
[22:47] |
* | Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) | [22:47] |
benkay | ? | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | benkay: 'humint' to english folks | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | sorry | [22:47] |
benkay | no need to apologize for my poor education | [22:47] |
BingoBoingo | -assets, where crackpots become spies | [22:48] |
benkay | agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents? | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | aye | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | as in, recruiting traitors | [22:48] |
* | assbot removes voice from rmerritt | [22:48] |
asciilifeform | (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying) | [22:48] |
BingoBoingo | Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash... | [22:51] |
asciilifeform | lol | [22:51] |
asciilifeform | stack trace? | [22:51] |
asciilifeform | or BingoBoingo doesn't like money | [22:51] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace? | [22:51] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: your favourite debugger | [22:52] |
BingoBoingo | You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | if on linux box, check syslog | [22:52] |
BingoBoingo | Explain this to me like I'm Usagi | [22:52] |
* | assbot removes voice from jborkl | [22:52] |
BingoBoingo | !up jborkl | [22:53] |
* | assbot gives voice to jborkl | [22:53] |
asciilifeform | re: humint: intro textbook: | [22:53] |
asciilifeform | http://nekaka.com/d/WNRkvY3LBE | [22:53] |
assbot | NEKAKA - Download File - spies.pdf | [22:53] |
dub | type> dmesg | [22:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+] | [22:54] |
asciilifeform | ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook | [22:57] |
benkay | downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters. | [22:57] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611 | [22:58] |
assbot | [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611 | [22:58] |
diametric | asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | diametric: nope. but front yard kinda dissolved. | [22:58] |
diametric | fun | [22:58] |
* | asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how | [23:01] |
BingoBoingo | Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines. | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | (fire alarm, flooders) | [23:01] |
BingoBoingo | NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger | [23:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07075196 = 3.5376 BTC [-] {3} | [23:04] |
diametric | nigbuntu? | [23:04] |
BingoBoingo | diametric: That's it's name nao. | [23:06] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow? | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | but it's a good educational exercise. | [23:11] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: ask diametric perhaps | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | or put a bounty. | [23:12] |
diametric | use truecrypt. hehehehe | [23:12] |
asciilifeform | lolz | [23:12] |
BingoBoingo | Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel... | [23:13] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: try magnesium | [23:13] |
BingoBoingo | A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures. | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right | [23:14] |
BingoBoingo | But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar... | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs) | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange | [23:15] |
BingoBoingo | It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose... | [23:15] |
asciilifeform | [insert the tired old mozart joke here] | [23:16] |
* | zoinky has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | [23:16] |
BingoBoingo | Or Bentham... | [23:16] |
asciilifeform | ;;google mozart decomposing | [23:16] |
gribble | "Mozart: Decomposing Since 1791." - Threadless.com - Best t-shirts ...: |
[23:16] |
BingoBoingo | So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice? | [23:17] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: forget consensus | [23:18] |
BingoBoingo | That's a good point. | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | i personally like gentoo because i'm a *bsd exile. | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | your mileage may vary. | [23:18] |
benkay | what exiled you from bsd? | [23:18] |
asciilifeform | hardware support | [23:18] |
BingoBoingo | ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back. | [23:19] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:19] |
* | mumu has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | [23:20] |
* | BCB has quit (Quit: bye) | [23:20] |
asciilifeform | gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting | [23:20] |
BingoBoingo | I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check | [23:20] |
asciilifeform | you'll have problems you never knew existed - in exchange for various plus | [23:20] |
dub | ff crashed because ff | [23:20] |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:21] |
* | Namworld has quit (Excess Flood) | [23:21] |
BingoBoingo | I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable... | [23:21] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable | [23:21] |
BingoBoingo | ANd instead drive a plastic car. | [23:21] |
asciilifeform | the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter... | [23:22] |
* | assbot removes voice from jborkl | [23:23] |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:23] |
* | Namworld has quit (Excess Flood) | [23:23] |
* | Namworld (~Namworld@modemcable041.115-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:23] |
BingoBoingo | It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner. | [23:23] |
BingoBoingo | Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges. | [23:23] |
* | akstunt600 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: hanging on locked file? | [23:24] |
* | akstunt600 (~ak@65-78-62-173.c3-0.upd-ubr2.trpr-upd.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:24] |
* | assbot gives voice to Namworld | [23:24] |
Namworld | At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second. | [23:24] |
BingoBoingo | Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual. | [23:25] |
benkay | wb Namworld | [23:29] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room | [23:30] |
* | miaoux has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | [23:30] |
* | miaoux_ (~miaoux@host81-159-62-128.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:30] |
asciilifeform | (not only about what you don't want) | [23:30] |
BingoBoingo | Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet... | [23:32] |
BingoBoingo | Imma drink moar and think about it. | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | for a masochist - minix... | [23:32] |
asciilifeform | ;;google men were men and wrote own device drivers | [23:32] |
gribble | Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: |
[23:32] |
* | decimation (~decimatio@205.164.48.203) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:33] |
BingoBoingo | The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida... | [23:33] |
asciilifeform | for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet' | [23:34] |
* | assbot gives voice to decimation | [23:34] |
BingoBoingo | A fool me once sort of deal... | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook | [23:34] |
BingoBoingo | Minix 3 | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | wow, never knew it went retarded | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | get '1' | [23:35] |
decimation | asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | decimation: now if only it... worked | [23:35] |
BingoBoingo | I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome... | [23:35] |
decimation | what part failed - the autorouter? | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen) | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | i suspect they only test under winblows | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | took me a week to get it to build, too | [23:36] |
decimation | heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows | [23:36] |
decimation | and costs a fortune | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable | [23:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085336 = 5.3762 BTC [+] | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | in electric world, open source sorta never really happened | [23:37] |
decimation | back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | with possible exception of 'magic' | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | (vlsi package) | [23:37] |
BingoBoingo | Brb | [23:38] |
* | BingoBoingo has quit (Quit: Leaving) | [23:38] |
decimation | well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck | [23:38] |
* | mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | 'spice' is pretty good for what it is (mechanism for solving unsolvable problem) | [23:38] |
* | assbot gives voice to mike_c | [23:39] |
decimation | it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/ | [23:39] |
assbot | Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | used, wasn't particularly impressed | [23:40] |
decimation | wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck | [23:40] |
* | BingoBoingo (~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | varying degrees of suction | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | the difference is not irrelevant in practice | [23:40] |
decimation | seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | e.g. does it 'let you help', or resists valiantly | [23:41] |
* | joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | due for a really good ai << np-complete. good luck. | [23:41] |
* | assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo | [23:41] |
decimation | well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | like kikad's. | [23:42] |
decimation | I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem | [23:43] |
BingoBoingo | My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)... | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | i.e. 100% of users are paying out of someone else's pocket | [23:43] |
decimation | yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware | [23:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+] | [23:44] |
asciilifeform | 'enterprise!' | [23:44] |
decimation | "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc" | [23:44] |
* | zoinky (~Adium@unaffiliated/zoinky) has joined #bitcoin-assets | [23:45] |
decimation | Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" | [23:45] |
decimation | it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate | [23:46] |
* | BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable... | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc) | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk | [23:47] |
BingoBoingo | I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep.... | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios' | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | MB of... .bat script | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | and other unspeakables | [23:48] |
asciilifeform | if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this | [23:49] |
BingoBoingo | I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5 | [23:49] |
decimation | from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl | [23:49] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl | [23:49] |
BingoBoingo | Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java | [23:50] |
BingoBoingo | And now the world burns | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | (camel gotta piss) | [23:51] |
BingoBoingo | Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months. | [23:51] |
decimation | amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set | [23:51] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:51] |
BingoBoingo | Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap | [23:52] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [23:52] |
decimation | something other than market forces are operating here | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to? | [23:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00085575 = 6.1614 BTC [+] | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null. | [23:53] |
BingoBoingo | Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks | [23:53] |
decimation | about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests | [23:53] |
asciilifeform | cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box | [23:55] |
BingoBoingo | "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores. | [23:55] |
asciilifeform | on top of whatever os you're stuck with | [23:55] |
BingoBoingo | Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_21183_6-unexpected-things-i-learned-from-being-drug-dealer_p2.html#ixzz34INw2rHH | [23:55] |
BingoBoingo | " | [23:55] |
assbot | 6 Unexpected Things I Learned From Being a Drug Dealer | Cracked.com | [23:55] |
BingoBoingo | Y tu Sun 5 | [23:55] |
decimation | ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | (in approximately the same way emacs does) | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: from your link: http://www.cracked.com/article_21165_6-works-propaganda-that-backfired-in-hilarious-ways.html | [23:57] |
assbot | 6 Works of Propaganda That Backfired in Hilarious Ways | Cracked.com | [23:57] |
decimation | ascii as in super mario brothers? | [23:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24 = 1.92 BTC [+] | [23:57] |
Category: Logs