Forum logs for 09 Mar 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Judgement51 anyone willing to trade me coins for a moneypak? [00:03]
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Y0nderboy Hey [00:04]
Y0nderboy Anyone need anything security tested? [00:04]
Y0nderboy Pro-bono [00:04]
Y0nderboy hey rawrmage [00:04]
Y0nderboy <3 [00:04]
rawrmage hi [00:04]
Y0nderboy hows it? [00:05]
jcpham hi [00:05]
rawrmage ok you? [00:05]
jcpham rg rg rg rg rg rg rg [00:05]
copumpkin Y0nderboy: so you'll hack my shit for free?! sweet, where do I sign up1 [00:05]
jcpham ./mysql323collider64 -h -m 4096 -t 12 [00:05]
jcpham 206 seconds later [00:05]
Y0nderboy rawrmage, okay, still doing this pro-bono testing thang. :) [00:06]
rawrmage jcpham: wow, that's fast [00:06]
Y0nderboy Just found a potentialy serious hole in a company that sells servers which i feel pretty good about. ;p [00:06]
mircea_popescu yonderboy : you can always try my site... [00:06]
jcpham i tried to bf this pass yesterday for hours with my gpus [00:06]
Y0nderboy copumpkin, what do yu want tested? :) [00:06]
Y0nderboy mircea_popescu, message me. :) [00:06]
mircea_popescu url is in chan topic [00:07]
mcorlett http://polimedia.us/btc [00:07]
mircea_popescu ya that. [00:07]
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jcpham it turns out that bruteforcing a mysql >4.1 hash over 8 chars is awaste of time [00:07]
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mcorlett mircea_popescu: Lazy Romanians man. [00:08]
mircea_popescu jcpham : sometimes you get lucky [00:08]
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jcpham because you can do it with an opteron & collison in a few minutes [00:08]
mircea_popescu why you say mcorlette ? :) [00:08]
Judgement51 anyone selling coins for moneypak? [00:08]
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mcorlett mircea_popescu: Forcing me to find the link to *your* site. [00:08]
mircea_popescu i think the price is bound to shoot up. tons of people with MP [00:08]
rg i already have it jcpham [00:08]
mircea_popescu hey, i only own like 99.9% of it... [00:09]
rg it was 2kRxML0*Y [00:09]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: That also means another thing is about to be shot. [00:09]
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jcpham so thems is wrong [00:09]
mircea_popescu what shot who when ? [00:09]
mcorlett (Into a vein.) [00:09]
mcorlett (With a needle.) [00:09]
mircea_popescu a vein ? what vein ? [00:09]
rawrmage wat [00:09]
mircea_popescu what is this needle you speak of ?! [00:10]
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* mircea_popescu comprehends little and understands even less [00:10]
mcorlett I wouldn't know! [00:10]
Y0nderboy Wait? [00:11]
Y0nderboy Who's shooting up? [00:11]
Y0nderboy :s [00:11]
rawrmage Y0nderboy: #bitcoin-drugs :P [00:12]
Y0nderboy Lol [00:12]
Y0nderboy Shit's not good for you. [00:12]
rawrmage (that /does/ exist, btw.) [00:12]
Y0nderboy Shit will ruin you, i advise against it. [00:12]
Y0nderboy Lol, really? [00:12]
mcorlett #silkroad? [00:12]
rawrmage um, yes [00:12]
mcorlett Empty. [00:12]
jcpham Sup smokey [00:12]
jcpham what'chall smokin on [00:12]
Y0nderboy mcorlett, bitcoin-drugs aint [00:12]
Mad7Scientist silkroad is empty [00:13]
Mad7Scientist selling some BTC for PPUSD at $5.15 each [00:13]
Judgement51 smoking on hash [00:13]
Judgement51 :) [00:13]
neofutur Y0nderboy: (00:11) -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-drugs: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] [00:14]
Y0nderboy I joined. [00:14]
mircea_popescu like half of them narcs lol [00:14]
Y0nderboy I'm now going to tell them drugs are bad, [00:14]
Y0nderboy :D [00:14]
Y0nderboy And why. [00:14]
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Judgement51 does anyone have coins to sell for moneypak? [00:15]
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Y0nderboy Wow, that guy was a twat. [00:21]
Y0nderboy why do people buying coins have to ask so often? [00:21]
Y0nderboy it irks me. [00:21]
rg ;;ticker [00:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [00:23]
gribble Best bid: 4.93881, Best ask: 4.93882, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 4.93881, 24 hour volume: 57687, 24 hour low: 4.7551, 24 hour high: 5 [00:23]
mircea_popescu whee i made money on my last buy [00:24]
rg need [00:24]
rg coffee [00:24]
rg i just woke up [00:24]
rg im such a fucking deadbeat [00:24]
mircea_popescu deadbeat ghost ? [00:24]
rawrmage lol rg [00:24]
mircea_popescu dg ? [00:24]
copumpkin rg: make a firm decision to not be one! unless you don't mind it :) [00:24]
copumpkin it just didn't sound like you liked it much [00:24]
Y0nderboy Fucking potnoodle [00:24]
Y0nderboy pot noodle, pot noodle, what would i do without you? [00:24]
Y0nderboy ...Starve probably... [00:25]
rg jesus christ i have a lot of messages [00:25]
rg cant you people do anything on your own while im gone?! [00:25]
Y0nderboy rg, Yes, we just prefer to bother you. [00:25]
Y0nderboy ;) [00:25]
Someguy123 anybody... feel free to try to break this: http://contest.vertvps.com/register.php [00:26]
Someguy123 if someone gets it to spew out errors, you win. [00:26]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Yeah, some people don't like me. Most of the people that have rated me negatively seem to do so with no correlation between their dislike for me and distrust. If I were going to be an asshat like DrThodt or Graet, I'd rate most of you fuckers -10. :p [00:26]
mircea_popescu i kid sammy. you're a blach man. i took a guess. [00:26]
rg VertVPS is currently holding a contest for the following potatoes: [00:27]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda ; the people who like you are just as nutty. [00:27]
luke-jr rawrmage: I didn't trade at less than $25. [00:27]
rg .... potatoes? [00:27]
vragnaroda Perhaps, but I don't have to explain them. ;) [00:27]
Graet i find no reason to trust ppl that abuse thier powers [00:27]
rawrmage luke-jr: somebody traded with you at $25 a coin? [00:27]
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luke-jr rawrmage: no. [00:27]
luke-jr rawrmage: USD was not involved. [00:27]
rg i sold coins at $19 [00:27]
rg once [00:27]
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mircea_popescu i bought at like 14.5 [00:28]
jaypetermm anyone looking for moneypak paypal or amazon...........................................i am looking for BTC or LR [00:28]
rg mircea_popescu, what time is it in rolameia [00:28]
vragnaroda Graet: Dude, it's fucking *their and quit demanding that I treat others a particular way permanently when you can't take it as a joke for 0.5 seconds. In short, STFU. [00:28]
mircea_popescu but only a thousand or two. [00:28]
mircea_popescu about midnight rg. [00:28]
jaypetermm rate offering 5.20 = 1 BTC [00:28]
mircea_popescu rolameia lmao. what the fuck is this, romagna salad ? [00:29]
Graet and like i said in pm i would idle here and hope you gave me reason to change that rating, but you have shown no reason i should vragnaroda [00:29]
rg ;;getrating jaypetermm [00:29]
rg ro-lame-ia [00:29]
rg get it [00:29]
mircea_popescu no. [00:29]
mircea_popescu explain it further. [00:29]
rg its pun [00:29]
rg on teh lameness of your country [00:29]
mircea_popescu i don't live in the us you know. [00:29]
Graet you hioghlighted me vragnaroda - i dont have a right of reply now either? [00:29]
Y0nderboy Hey, is there any instant paypal to bitcoin? [00:29]
vragnaroda Graet: No, you've been in here to be a jackass. [00:30]
vragnaroda I never said you don't have a right to reply. [00:30]
Graet better that than a powetripping grammer nazi... [00:30]
vragnaroda That's *you* that demanded that treatment to others, not me. [00:30]
mircea_popescu its gremmar [00:30]
Graet In short, STFU. << what does this mean then? [00:30]
vragnaroda It means just what I said. [00:31]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Go fuck yourself. [00:31]
mircea_popescu y0nderboy : if you have good ratings maybe. [00:31]
candlepin le cordon bleu merges with full sail university to offer courses on cooking-themed video games [00:31]
vragnaroda Graet: That doesn't mean I'm saying mircea_popescu doesn't have the right not to go fuck himself. [00:31]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda : do you know there's a forum by that name ? [00:31]
Graet i have to stfu up but i have a right of reply? mdude u are very confused in your head [00:31]
vragnaroda No one said you had to. [00:31]
mircea_popescu i have to there be a forum by that name ?! [00:31]
Lunaqus can anyone sell me ciggarettes for BTC? [00:32]
vragnaroda The imperative does not imply compulsion. [00:32]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I thought that comment was amusing. I only said “go fuck yourself” for the purpose of demonstration. [00:32]
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mircea_popescu that's the compulsative, which is a form of ablative. srsly graet, learn your gremmar. [00:32]
Graet i am still of the opinion you are unfit to nbe an op in -otc, i belive i am allowed my opinion... [00:32]
AcidicChip ;;seen btctrader [00:32]
gribble btctrader was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 2 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 49 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: trans species ftw [00:32]
vragnaroda lol [00:32]
mircea_popescu no but srsly, gfy.com. it exists. [00:32]
AcidicChip Damn, where the hell did he run off to? [00:33]
vragnaroda Graet: Yes. You're also allowed to lie, and you're exercising that right. [00:33]
Graet sorry? what lie? [00:34]
Graet really got better to do nthan go over this shit - but go on... [00:34]
vragnaroda Almost everything you said about me and the events leading up to that incident. [00:34]
Graet sorry, you do get pleasure from kicking and banning ppl - thats abuse of powers, where is the lie in that? [00:35]
vragnaroda Everything about that is a lie. [00:35]
mircea_popescu i thought he was getting his pleasure from diurheea or what's it called [00:36]
Graet evebts leading up to the incident, i said one sce3ntence re being kicked wasnt anytjhing to worry about but being banned was .... so you banned me and laughed [00:36]
mircea_popescu the funny reverted ampersand with two square points sign [00:36]
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gmaxwell Graet: I didn't see the backscroll yet, but you don't appear to be banned— if you were banned I wouldn't be seeing you talk. [00:36]
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vragnaroda No, you demanded that others be banned for insignificant offenses. [00:36]
Graet not today gmaxwell [00:36]
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Graet when? [00:36]
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trocto i heard vragnaroda's mom fucks horses. that's sick dude. [00:37]
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Graet your story is changiung, before you said i laughed when you banned ppl, now i was aslking for ppl to be banned? [00:37]
gmaxwell Graet: if you are not banned now then why is this discussion going on? [00:37]
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Graet your story keeps changung man, mine has been consistent [00:37]
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mircea_popescu because he was banned before. [00:37]
mircea_popescu and there's also gremmar issues. [00:37]
vragnaroda gmaxwell: It was a joke when he demanded I ban someone else and it was to demonstrate how idiotic an op banning someone on demand. I even told him at the time it was a 1-second ban. [00:37]
Graet because vragnaroda raised the subject gmaxwell [00:37]
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Graet i did not demand anyone was banned [00:38]
vragnaroda Graet: My story has never changed. [00:38]
Graet why do you make stuff up? [00:38]
Y0nderboy Wew. [00:38]
vragnaroda Goddamit, learn to fucknig English. [00:38]
vragnaroda *fucking [00:38]
Someguy123 when was this? I'll pull a log up vragnaroda [00:38]
gmaxwell Graet: Would you like to ban him for a second to make it even then? [00:38]
Graet no U [00:38]
Y0nderboy I just got paid ?10 for finding a CSRF and XSS hole. [00:38]
mircea_popescu don't nig your english ppl. [00:38]
Y0nderboy That's awesome. [00:38]
vragnaroda Someguy123: Part of it was in PM. [00:38]
Graet gmaxwell, that is so not the point [00:38]
Someguy123 o rite [00:38]
Someguy123 Y0nderboy http://contest.vertvps.com/register.php [00:39]
Someguy123 go hax my site [00:39]
Graet who did i ask to be banned vragnaroda ? [00:39]
gmaxwell Graet: I'm failing to see the point. The injury to you was tiny at best. You've lodged your complaint. What more is there to discuss? [00:39]
Someguy123 if you get an unknown exception "Uh oh! Something went wrong, please contact an admin" you win. Y0nderboy [00:39]
mircea_popescu i think everybody should be pm banned for a second in retribution. [00:39]
vragnaroda [17:38] <+ Graet> | i did not demand anyone was banned <-- I *never* said you claimed anyone other than you was banned. You've pretty clearly asserted that you were banned. [00:39]
Graet gmaxwell, i was letting it lie, but mircea_popescu: Yeah, some people don't like me. Most of the people that have rated me negatively seem to do so with no correlation between their dislike for me and distrust. If I were going to be an asshat like DrThodt or Graet, I'd rate most of you fuckers -10. :p [00:39]
Graet he highlighted me and restarted this conversation [00:40]
mircea_popescu wait. [00:40]
vragnaroda I didn't restart this conversation; mircea_popescu did. [00:40]
mircea_popescu is graet bennared ? [00:40]
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mircea_popescu (for the record, the entire office is rolling on the f loor laughing over here) [00:41]
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mircea_popescu (this convo might make it on like, the wall) [00:41]
rawrmage lol [00:41]
rawrmage benned [00:41]
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Graet gmaxwell, i would like -otc to be somewhere people can coma and trade and learn about btc without fear of beaing banned by pwertripping ops for thioer own amusement, sorry if i am doing something wrong... [00:41]
mircea_popescu rawrmage learn to bennar. [00:41]
gmaxwell Graet: in most places on IRC a ~zero length kickban is a friendly bit of ribbing, like intentionally pushing the buttons to close an elevator before a coworker gets there, but then stopping it at the last minute. [00:41]
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Graet well it all started whenj a user in here was concerned about being kicked, i saids to him, not to worry on irc kicxks arent naythinjg to wory about, banjs were, i was instalntly banned [00:42]
gmaxwell Being short term cycled out of the channel isn't the same as being banned in any lasting way. [00:42]
gmaxwell hah [00:42]
gmaxwell I feel sad you don't see the humor in that! [00:42]
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Graet i was trying to help someone and was banned for no reason by a npowertripping op, who then laugheed - i took that as he did it for hois own amusement [00:43]
mircea_popescu graet : it is kinda funny, srsly. [00:43]
vragnaroda No, it was to amuse *you*. [00:43]
Graet well maybe if it wan- why nis -otc here? [00:43]
Graet wtf? [00:43]
mircea_popescu greanted, it could be taken the wrong way, but it is funny on its own. [00:43]
Graet dude realkly get a grip[ onreality [00:44]
copumpkin Graet: wtf is wrong with your typing? :P [00:44]
gmaxwell If it had been done to me I would have smiled and laughed (and, in fact, have had stuff like that done to me and did smile and laugh). It's a bummer that you didn't see the humor. [00:44]
BTCHero get a grip on your keyboard [00:44]
mircea_popescu learn 2 kbd. [00:44]
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copumpkin but yeah, we should try to keep random kicks to a minimum [00:44]
Graet its 6;44am i have ben up all night orkung on jy pool and vrag seems to want to dragt up old shit [00:44]
* mircea_popescu pumpkins cokick. [00:45]
gmaxwell Graet: Get some sleep then, your sleep is more important than this— I promise. [00:45]
vragnaroda It may be old to you whippersnappers, but in my book, that's recent. [00:45]
Graet sorry why is -otc here? fo9r ops amusement or for ppl to trade and learn about btc? [00:45]
vragnaroda Also, I mentioned it in response to mircea_popescu's comment. [00:45]
mircea_popescu and sleep alone. who knows, it may happen you get kickbedded from ban. [00:45]
gmaxwell Graet: it's a community for trading. One which should be enjoyable for everyone. [00:45]
Graet bitcoin is pretty improtant to me, anything that puts new adopters off is bad [00:45]
Graet gmaxwell, thank - my point all along [00:45]
mircea_popescu wait! was he banned for nsfw ? [00:46]
gmaxwell Graet: well, this argument is pretty offputting. [00:46]
Graet i'd rather not be having it [00:46]
Graet but ppl keep oit going [00:46]
mircea_popescu you must have it! [00:46]
copumpkin it's best had when sober [00:46]
mircea_popescu all of you! [00:46]
BTCHero I think we can all agree that vragnaroda is an asshole Graet, but I don't think that he has done any serious detriment to the bitcoin community [00:46]
copumpkin lo [00:46]
phraust anyone know where to get non-chipset-specific water blocks for liquid cooling? [00:47]
mircea_popescu btchero : but what if he does it in the future ? [00:47]
BTCHero then it will be an issue? [00:47]
mircea_popescu phraust i think all those non-specific things are crap [00:47]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: What if Glenn Beck rapes and murders a girl in 2013? [00:47]
mircea_popescu i thought he did ? [00:47]
BTCHero not in 2013 yet [00:47]
mircea_popescu well, present value [00:47]
mircea_popescu he called some girl a prostitute or something [00:47]
mircea_popescu that's 2012 present value of raping some girl in 2013 neh ? [00:48]
Graet BTCHero, you can think that an dican think different :) thats the joy of irc, but unfortunately ppl talk to me about why they dont join this chanel anymore... [00:48]
jcpham i've stopped most of my chatting in here as not to contribute to what you are arguing about [00:48]
mircea_popescu jcpham learn 2 argue [00:48]
jcpham negative ghostrider [00:48]
phraust :/ [00:48]
* copumpkin ghost rides the whip [00:48]
jcpham now that i can do [00:48]
jcpham ghost rifde the whip, ghost ride the whip [00:49]
mircea_popescu arguments are the stuff progress is made of! [00:49]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: No, the first one was in 1990 if it happened. (I'm not saying it did.) [00:49]
* mircea_popescu doesn't really know much of g. beck [00:49]
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phraust i'd hate to have to build these all myself. [00:49]
mircea_popescu i suspect paraipan is on his way to report this suspicious activity to his local board of trade. [00:49]
BTCHero Anyone know what netflix thinks about different ips connecting to it? I just signed up and want to let my mommy use it [00:50]
BTCHero mircea_popescu lol [00:50]
mircea_popescu i once used it from two locations for ~3 months or so [00:50]
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vragnaroda mircea_popescu: He just likes to ask stupid leading questions and say “I'm not saying this happened; I'm just wondering” and someone responded with a didyouknowglennbeckrapedandmurderedagirlin1990.com. [00:50]
mircea_popescu had no problems, but were physically close (same bldg, diff ips) [00:50]
BTCHero what happens if you login at the same time? [00:50]
BTCHero She lives next door [00:50]
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mircea_popescu pity thats not registered [00:51]
mircea_popescu i never did at the same time tho, [00:51]
mircea_popescu so dunno about that. [00:51]
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nanotube rawrmage: apparently not.... :P [00:52]
jcpham i read my buffer. kicks and bans are easy to spot with the bright red text and all [00:52]
mircea_popescu but if she's next door just let her use your wifi ? [00:52]
jcpham i have no comment [00:52]
BTCHero mircea_popescu next door in rural ohio [00:52]
BTCHero so at least 150 yards away [00:52]
mircea_popescu a [00:52]
rawrmage łastlog -window 9 nanotube [00:52]
rawrmage er [00:52]
mircea_popescu is that polish coding ? [00:52]
rawrmage i forgot what I asked you :P [00:52]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPbJFjrbf20 <<< i love rickles. [00:53]
BTCHero .t [00:53]
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vragnaroda rawrmage: lol, don't hit the compose key first ;) [00:54]
rawrmage vragnaroda: :P [00:54]
BTCHero vragnaroda I hate you for taking away markac, I know you had your reasons but seriously [00:54]
vragnaroda BTCHero: Well, I run it mainly for #conlang. [00:55]
BTCHero We are your main bros :) [00:55]
nanotube rawrmage: unicode characters. :) [00:55]
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rawrmage ;;getrating vragnaroda [00:56]
gribble User vragnaroda, created on Thu Apr 21 13:11:13 2011. Cumulative rating 15, from 25 total ratings. Received ratings: 20 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 21 positive, 9 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=vragnaroda Currently authenticated from hostmask vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda [00:56]
BTCHero I would never trade with that guy, 15 rating... [00:57]
a5m0 BTCHero, my friend has always told me that he logs into netflix from two different places at the same time and it works, but i've never tried it myself [00:57]
BTCHero a5m0 thanks for the info [00:57]
a5m0 hmm i thought vragnaroda was one of the good guys? what's up with that rating? [00:58]
BTCHero he doesn't trade [00:58]
BTCHero and leaves lots of bad ratings [00:58]
BTCHero he is a one of the good guys [00:58]
gmaxwell a5m0: he's been the subject of some harsh retalitory ratings, go look at them. [00:58]
BTCHero depending on who you ask [00:58]
a5m0 ah [00:58]
vragnaroda Well, I don't trade on here much; I have done a few. [00:58]
a5m0 ;;getrating astana [00:58]
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vragnaroda BTCHero: The channels markac is set to join are, as of now, ['#markac', '#bitcoin-politics', '#conlang', '##oldenglish', '#yingzi', '##proto-lang', '#bitcoin-onepercent', '#learnanylanguage', '#bitcoin-otc-nsfw', '#bitcoin-court', '#bitcoin-99percent'] [00:59]
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BTCHero ok [01:00]
nanotube BTCHero: splatterbot is a marcak replacement that replies in pm on otc [01:00]
gmaxwell ;;seen drthodt [01:00]
BTCHero .o ud markac [01:01]
vragnaroda IIRC, his last comment in this channel was pretty funny. [01:01]
vragnaroda ;;seen drthodt [01:01]
gribble drthodt was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 9 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 25 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: he also worked in conjunction with the zionists to begin shipping jews to israel before it even existed [01:01]
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BTCHero was the in pm a request from ops nanotube? [01:02]
vragnaroda gmaxwell: That seems fairly typical of him. I did remove his ban the other day, though, when cleaning up the banlist. He'll probably be back on it shortly after he finds out but he hasn't tried to evade it. [01:02]
vragnaroda BTCHero: Yes. [01:02]
rawrmage lol [01:02]
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BTCHero what if he rate limited it to like once every 10 minutes or something? would it still be a no go? [01:03]
vragnaroda BTCHero: There's also an identical bot, la_fen in ##english and some of the Lojban channels. [01:03]
nanotube BTCHero: yes it was a request from me. :) [01:03]
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vragnaroda I'd like .title to work in-channel regardless, but having it throttle when it replies in-channel might be good, too. [01:03]
nanotube vragnaroda: gribble does .title equivalent now. ;;t [01:04]
BTCHero ;;t [01:04]
gribble Sammy Davis Jr. gets roasted - YouTube [01:04]
vragnaroda nanotube: Sweet. [01:04]
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BTCHero thats cool [01:04]
nanotube hope that does it :) [01:04]
vragnaroda nanotube: Does it work on the same line? Like [01:04]
vragnaroda ;;t http://perdu.com [01:04]
gribble Sammy Davis Jr. gets roasted - YouTube [01:04]
nanotube vragnaroda: no, to give a url, use the 'title' command. [01:04]
vragnaroda nanotube: Ah, not quite equivalent. :p [01:04]
vragnaroda ;;title http://perdu.com/ [01:05]
nanotube ;;titlte http://perdu.com [01:05]
gribble Vous Etes Perdu ? [01:05]
BTCHero http://google.com ,,t [01:05]
gribble Vous Etes Perdu ? [01:05]
nanotube meh i misspelled. but you made it :) [01:05]
vragnaroda OK, cool. [01:05]
nanotube heh, current message doesn't count BTCHero :D [01:05]
nanotube gribble's own messages also don't count. [01:05]
BTCHero ok [01:05]
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vragnaroda I do love that site; it's so corny. [01:06]
vragnaroda “Lost on the Internet? Don't worry; there's help. * <---- You are here.” [01:06]
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mircea_popescu ahaha perdu lol [01:06]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Yes, that's my translation. The original's in French. [01:07]
nanotube hehe nice [01:08]
mircea_popescu funny site ideea. [01:08]
Cory ;;rate foo923019 2 I sold him BTC for $200 USD by snail mail. [01:08]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user foo923019 has been recorded. [01:08]
rawrmage how do you get 'lost on the internet' [01:08]
mircea_popescu it's a pun. [01:09]
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mircea_popescu sartorum explodes in an endless stream of frothy mixtures. [01:11]
a5m0 i'm very tempted to leave a negative rating for someone that just wasted a ton of my time [01:12]
mircea_popescu santorum dribbles quietly in a corner. [01:12]
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mircea_popescu wtf is that guy's name aha [01:12]
copumpkin sartorum makes the frothiest suits ever [01:12]
mircea_popescu suit of frotht. [01:12]
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vragnaroda OK, not in this channel, please. ;) [01:13]
Mad7Scientist When did that word santorum come to mean what the urban dictionary says [01:14]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda gets pleasure out of abusing his powers. [01:14]
mircea_popescu mad7scientist : he made some remark the lgbt ppl didn;t like cca 2005 [01:15]
Mad7Scientist I see [01:15]
Mad7Scientist Are there any other words with the same meaning? [01:15]
mircea_popescu not rly. [01:15]
imsaguy http://spreadingromney.com [01:15]
mircea_popescu not exactly something most people have to deal with on a frequent enough basis [01:15]
a5m0 it's a made up meaning using a lot of SEO to make it popular because he pissed off the wrong people [01:15]
Mad7Scientist ;;ud romney [01:16]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Romney | (verb) to defecate in terror This colloquialism originates in the infamous and widely publicized 1983 incident where Mitt Romney strapped his Irish... [01:16]
vragnaroda Not just SEO; it's actually used by the people that need a term for it. [01:16]
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mircea_popescu "Traditional banks are built on a web of trust." [01:20]
mircea_popescu it's really fail when bitcoin invents something [01:20]
mircea_popescu and the industry being disrupted claims that they are based on that something [01:21]
mircea_popescu in name only. [01:21]
copumpkin lol [01:21]
mircea_popescu i don't see how the bitcoin isn't going to own the future. just on this alone. [01:21]
danieldaniel oh emm gee [01:21]
danieldaniel ohaidergais [01:21]
copumpkin oh yay, danieldaniel is back [01:21]
mircea_popescu when did you get out ? [01:21]
danieldaniel copumpkin: fuuu [01:21]
vragnaroda ;;hug danieldaniel [01:22]
* gribble hugs danieldaniel [01:22]
danieldaniel ;;action sexes vragnaroda [01:22]
* gribble sexes vragnaroda [01:22]
vragnaroda lol [01:23]
Shibofu Buying BTC with $120 moneypak [01:23]
luke-jr Shibofu: I offer 4.80 BTC [01:23]
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danieldaniel luke-jr: lol [01:23]
Santorum hehe [01:23]
Shibofu =P [01:23]
danieldaniel omgeh [01:23]
rawrmage hi danieldaniel [01:24]
danieldaniel rawrmage: yo bit [01:24]
danieldaniel ch [01:24]
copumpkin hey Santorum [01:24]
Santorum nick is registered :( [01:24]
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rawrmage danieldaniel: i am not your bitch. [01:25]
danieldaniel rawrmage: um... [01:25]
danieldaniel you are [01:25]
rawrmage I am not! [01:25]
rawrmage brb [01:25]
vragnaroda danieldaniel: Do not refer in-channel to anyone as your bitch. [01:25]
danieldaniel aww, ok [01:25]
danieldaniel I said "yo" [01:25]
danieldaniel Not "you" [01:25]
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Shibofu Anyone willing to do 22btc for $120 moneypak? [01:25]
danieldaniel Shibofu: If i win the lottery [01:26]
vragnaroda I didn't enquote that, danieldaniel. [01:26]
Shibofu damnnnn [01:26]
Mad7Scientist selling some BTC for PPUSD at $5.10 each [01:26]
danieldaniel umadbrosif [01:26]
copumpkin Shibofu: "do" doesn't tell us whether you're selling or buying bitcoins [01:26]
mircea_popescu he's buying. [01:26]
copumpkin oh he said so earlier [01:26]
mircea_popescu either that or i just intuited it with my powers of intuition :D [01:27]
Shibofu querry Mad7Scientist [01:27]
Shibofu lols [01:27]
Mad7Scientist use /msg shibofu [01:27]
neofutur ;;ident Mad7Scientist [01:30]
gribble Nick 'Mad7Scientist', with hostmask 'Mad7Scientist!~re@AntiLiberal-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net', is identified as user Mad7Scientist, with GPG key id 3FC4656BE45D6C89, and key fingerprint 89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89. [01:30]
Shibofu Buying 22BTC with $120 moneypak [01:31]
smickles ;;ticker [01:32]
gribble Best bid: 4.93893, Best ask: 4.93894, Bid-ask spread: 9.99999999962e-06, Last trade: 4.93893, 24 hour volume: 58494, 24 hour low: 4.7551, 24 hour high: 5 [01:32]
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smickles ;;sell "29.99/{mtgoxask}" btc at {mtgoxask} usd Amazon GC [01:34]
smickles ;;ident [01:34]
gribble You are identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F. [01:34]
Mqrius ;;rate foo923019 2 Smooth trade, no problems [01:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user foo923019 has been recorded. [01:34]
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danieldaniel awesome, I found my spinthariscope [01:34]
danieldaniel the nuclear one, I mean [01:35]
smickles ;;guide [01:35]
gribble Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc [01:35]
jaypetermm anyone looking for 500 $ moneypak or amazon........................i am looking for BTC or LR [01:35]
jaypetermm only 500 $ left for today....................................offering 1 BTC = 5.23 $ [01:35]
smickles ;;sell "30/{mtgoxask}" btc at {mtgoxask} usd Amazon GC [01:36]
mircea_popescu o hey smickles [01:36]
smickles wft, gribble doesn't like me :( [01:36]
smickles hi mircea_popescu [01:36]
vragnaroda ;;ident smickles [01:36]
gribble Nick 'smickles', with hostmask 'smickles!~smickles@96.44.148.140', is identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F. [01:36]
smickles ;;sell "29.99 / {mtgoxask}" btc at {mtgoxask} usd Amazon GC [01:36]
smickles 02:36 Error: '29.99 / {mtgoxask}' is not a valid positive floating point number. [01:36]
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smickles am i missing something here vragnaroda? [01:37]
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smickles ug, bbl. later tell or pm me reguarding the btc for amazon GC if any ya'll are interested [01:38]
nanotube smickles: quantity just has to be an integer. no calculations. only price takes expressions. [01:45]
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a5m0 selling a dual 2.8ghz xeon tower server/desktop, 5 yubikeys, sapphire 2970 [01:50]
Shibofu Buying 22btc with $120 MP [01:50]
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rg too much [01:51]
rg emails! [01:51]
a5m0 selling a dual 2.8ghz xeon tower server/desktop, 5 yubikeys, sapphire 5970 [01:51]
a5m0 * [01:51]
a5m0 2970 != 5970 [01:51]
* neofutur selling [01:52]
danieldaniel OMG [01:52]
danieldaniel Im getting an LENR! [01:52]
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* neofutur selling GNU/Linux, hosting and other web services for BitCoins : check https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=1687.0 for the success of your web project [01:52]
a5m0 Low Energy Nuclear Reaction? [01:52]
danieldaniel a5m0: reactor [01:53]
neofutur anyone here ever tried http://bitcoincigarettes.com ? [01:53]
* copumpkin hugs his cash-cow [01:53]
a5m0 danieldaniel, lol [01:53]
danieldaniel a5m0: it's gonna be funnnnnn [01:53]
a5m0 it's either a toy, a scam, or we're all screwed [01:53]
nanotube neofutur: no, but they seem to be listed on bitcoin-shitlist.com [01:53]
mircea_popescu i think its a scam neofutur [01:54]
danieldaniel a5m0: its not a scam [01:54]
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danieldaniel a5m0: I have bought many things from them [01:54]
neofutur at least its not an anonymous whois [01:54]
danieldaniel "I wonder what this button does" [01:54]
danieldaniel *BOOMMMMMM* [01:54]
neofutur and its hosted or registered on kalyhost [01:54]
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smickles nanotube: thank you [01:55]
nanotube :) [01:55]
a5m0 danieldaniel, that's what tells me it's not true, small fissile reactors like that don't come with that button, because they don't ever have enough mass to have a critical reaction [01:56]
danieldaniel a5m0: I was kidding... [01:56]
Graet neofutur, chmod777 just got some ciggies from a btc site, noit sure i its tha same tho [01:56]
danieldaniel a5m0: its not available yet [01:56]
danieldaniel a5m0: http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=95 [01:56]
nanotube Graet: 755 you mean? ;) 777 is dangerous. :P [01:57]
a5m0 vaporware [01:57]
a5m0 they're selling you fuel for something that might happen, not selling the reactor [01:57]
Graet lol thats him ;) [01:57]
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neofutur is http://bitcoin-shitlist.com trusted ? [01:58]
a5m0 unitednuclear has been claiming that they've almost finished a hydrogen detonation system for cars (h2-ICE for people familiar) for a couple years and they keep pushing the date, i smell vapor ware [01:59]
neofutur cause they say the other is a scam but to send you to another provider . .. with a referral code . . . [01:59]
pigeons neofutur: what do you mean by trusted? The guy is on the forums, he started a website [01:59]
neofutur http://www.cigs.eu/?tracking=blabla [01:59]
candlepin someone probably trusts them [01:59]
nanotube neofutur: no idea if -shitlist is trustworthy. [02:00]
SO_STUPID lol im on there [02:00]
SO_STUPID faggot snitch [02:00]
nanotube SO_STUPID: please keep insults off otc. [02:00]
SO_STUPID mad7scientist rate me i just bought 2 btc [02:00]
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rg phantomcircuit [02:01]
rg is your billing system home-brew [02:02]
rg or based off something open source? [02:02]
rg its really similar to another companies billing but i dont think its the same [02:02]
rg so thats why im wondering [02:02]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-otc [10:27]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. || http://bitcoin-otc.com/ || http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 || Start with the ;;guide || Before you trade, talk to people, and check user ratings. || Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud || Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc || Bitcoin VPS: http://www.bitvps.com || Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe [10:27]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Sun Feb 26 06:25:27 2012 [10:27]
vragnaroda lol [10:29]
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rg ;;ticker [10:35]
gribble Best bid: 4.90002, Best ask: 4.90005, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000000006e-05, Last trade: 4.90002, 24 hour volume: 39002, 24 hour low: 4.77002, 24 hour high: 4.9499 [10:35]
rg ;;calc 100 / 4.90 [10:35]
gribble 20.4081632653 [10:35]
neofutur fyi http://bitcoin.gw.gd [10:36]
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coingenuity ;;title [10:37]
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coingenuity ;;t [10:37]
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rg can someone go to my site [10:49]
rg and make sure it looks ok in their browser [10:49]
neofutur bitvps ? [10:50]
rg http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [10:50]
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rg in my browser when it wasnt maximized it didnt show the footer [10:51]
neofutur yup looks good here [10:51]
Asphodelia looks ok to me [10:51]
rg hmm ok thanks [10:51]
rg thats good [10:51]
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neofutur a small css detail at 800x600 but really ot imporetant [10:52]
neofutur not important [10:52]
rg now i need to figure out how to disable that animation [10:52]
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neofutur the onmouseover ? [10:53]
rg just the arrow [10:53]
rg i like the other blue thingie [10:53]
neofutur bah its not so bad [10:53]
rg i just find the arrow to be annoying/too much [10:53]
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mircea_popescu looks good here [10:57]
rg i dont know how to disable it [10:58]
rg hm [10:58]
rg i hate when i cant do stuff [10:58]
mircea_popescu rg : http://browsershots.org/http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [10:58]
mircea_popescu look there. [10:58]
rg Queue Estimate: 2 minutes to 3 hours, 22 minutes [10:59]
rg good estimate [10:59]
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rg oh shit [11:00]
rg i did a reload [11:00]
rg lame [11:00]
rg when i went i think it reset my queue [11:01]
mircea_popescu nah [11:02]
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mircea_popescu the browsers just uploade pix. it's very good cause you can see 100s of browsers and make absolutely sure [11:02]
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mircea_popescu they even have obscure shit [11:02]
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mircea_popescu but you can click on details see the full list etc. [11:03]
MBS feel like wallowing in sorrow for some reason tonight [11:04]
MBS going to go to sleep with saturnus discog playing [11:04]
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rg aha [11:08]
rg i disabled it! [11:08]
rg unf [11:08]
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rg heh [11:16]
rg most of those browser screenshots are blank [11:16]
rg the browser says 'waiting for browsershots' [11:16]
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rg ehe damn [11:22]
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rg you can tell the blacks are two different shades [11:22]
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`g hai [11:40]
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coingenuity we have some seriously awesome items up for sale in #bitcoin-auctions tonight, folks....even a freaking car! :D [13:23]
MagicalTux xD [13:24]
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bitcoinTrader looking to sell btc for LR [13:49]
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rg no [13:53]
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draco49 rg: I think the ฿ goes before the amount.... [13:59]
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rg i dont [14:07]
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Cool oh [14:07]
Cool ok [14:07]
luke-jr ageis: no, read it [14:08]
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rg im bored [14:35]
rg no one is responding to my trollz [14:35]
rawrmage lokl [14:35]
rawrmage -k [14:35]
rg rawrmage: it is definitely past your bed time [14:36]
rg rawrmage: wanna buy like 20 btc? [14:36]
rawrmage nope, sorry [14:36]
rawrmage and no it's morning r [14:37]
rawrmage g [14:37]
rawrmage in case you haven't noticed [14:37]
rg my name must never be spoken [14:37]
rawrmage lol [14:38]
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draco49 I still think the ฿ goes before the amount .... [14:39]
draco49 BTW rg, do you have a banner-ad available? [14:40]
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rg draco49, not really [14:42]
rg im making a new siten ow [14:42]
rg not sure where youd put a banner [14:42]
draco49 I wanted to put a small ad banner for bitvps on my site [14:42]
neofutur I d also like some kinf of banners to promote bitvps ( possibly with a small affiliate bonus ;) [14:43]
draco49 maybe when you have a spare moment you could do up a 150x50 and a 468x60 [14:44]
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Joric does bitcoinica still use linode vps? [14:53]
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Joric it's important! [14:53]
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mircea_popescu which site is that draco49 ? [14:56]
draco49 hey mircea_popescu :) my site is bitmax.co ... it's set to launch the first week of April [14:57]
mircea_popescu aha [14:58]
draco49 It's hosted at BitVPS so it's not subject to all those flaky linode security issues :) [14:59]
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rg but it is subject to rg! [14:59]
draco49 this is true [14:59]
rg Joric: probably [14:59]
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mircea_popescu i think they are still hosted on linode yea [15:02]
draco49 Why would they continue to host with linode after all that's happened? [15:02]
mircea_popescu draco49 : maybe some verbiage about how the numbers are picked could be useful. [15:03]
mircea_popescu well... they have no more bitcoins to lose so that's no longer a concern ? [15:03]
draco49 I'm going to put that up... also i'm making my code open-source and public [15:04]
draco49 lol [15:04]
occulta mircea_popescu: do you work ? [15:04]
mircea_popescu what do you mean ? i'm not broken... [15:04]
occulta your are always here, and chatting :) [15:04]
draco49 mircea_popescu hasn't been fully operational in years... [15:04]
draco49 :) [15:04]
mircea_popescu i consult occulta. results in a lot of conference calls [15:05]
occulta how is your compost heap? lol [15:05]
occulta that was you right? [15:05]
mircea_popescu actually great, just cut the apple tree and added some twigs to it from that [15:05]
occulta lol :) [15:05]
mircea_popescu well im sure im not the only one comp[ostiong lol [15:05]
occulta i have a good memory :P [15:05]
draco49 All my code is in python... the 5 numbers will be drawn from a fool of 20 using random.sample [15:05]
draco49 *pool [15:06]
occulta fool! [15:06]
draco49 lol [15:06]
mircea_popescu mmm [15:06]
draco49 Freudian slip... [15:06]
mircea_popescu how strong is random.sample ? i don't recall python well enough [15:06]
draco49 it's pretty basic... you give it a number range and random.sample pulls from the range and removes it from the pool [15:07]
mircea_popescu yaya [15:07]
mircea_popescu but how pseudorandom is it ? [15:07]
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draco49 In over 50k simulations it has maintained the statistical averages. [15:07]
rg hey [15:08]
rg who wants to test my javascript [15:08]
rg http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [15:08]
rg go there [15:08]
rg scroll to the FAQ [15:08]
rg and click the question [15:08]
draco49 I could do a whole dog & pony show with the random function, but in the end it serves no purpose. [15:08]
rg tell me if it loads the answer without reloading the page and taking you to the top [15:08]
draco49 Works on Chrome [15:09]
draco49 and clicking the question again returns the page to its original state [15:10]
Joric mircea_popescu, random.org sells random sequences with a guarantee, pretty cheap, $4.95 each ) [15:10]
rg tubular [15:10]
mircea_popescu joric yea i know. [15:10]
mircea_popescu anyway, draco49, the qualify of your random generator is gouing to be the #1 concern of your userbase i imagine. [15:11]
mircea_popescu have answers ready for them is the best policy [15:11]
mircea_popescu quality not qualify i mean [15:11]
draco49 How much more random is for a 20# pool is the random.org function going to provide? [15:11]
mircea_popescu well that's the thing with randomness [15:11]
mircea_popescu you don't know. [15:12]
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draco49 I don't want to create a ridiculous Rube Goldberg machine just to pull 5 numbers from a pool of 20... [15:12]
mircea_popescu hehehe why not, rg machiens are fun :D [15:12]
Joric draco49, random.org won't verify it unless you paid for it [15:12]
occulta what about roundtrees randoms? [15:12]
draco49 And given that i've ran over 50k simulations and the results are perfectly in line with the projected statistics... [15:13]
mircea_popescu you just do sum checks draco49 ? [15:13]
mircea_popescu that doesn't really say all that much [15:13]
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draco49 I use md5 checksums [15:13]
mircea_popescu or did you do mean deviation distribution charting ? [15:13]
mircea_popescu ok, let me explain what i mean : [15:14]
mircea_popescu if the numbers are from 0 to 20 inclusive [15:14]
mircea_popescu then the average expectation is 10. [15:14]
draco49 1-20 [15:14]
mircea_popescu the following series : 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20, 0, 20 [15:14]
mircea_popescu is not a random series [15:14]
draco49 nope [15:14]
mircea_popescu nevertheless it respects the average we'd think we should see. [15:14]
mircea_popescu ie, comes out to 10. [15:15]
Joric python uses os.urandom ie. /dev/urandom in case of linux [15:15]
draco49 I chart the results. [15:15]
draco49 I have the results from every sim i've run. [15:15]
Joric here's your python http://hg.python.org/cpython/file/2.7/Lib/random.py [15:15]
Joric 'Wichman-Hill random number generator' [15:15]
mircea_popescu aha [15:16]
Joric return (x/30269.0 + y/30307.0 + z/30323.0) % 1.0 [15:16]
mircea_popescu so a sort of prime based poly [15:16]
rawrmage return (your library books) [15:16]
rg nie [15:17]
rg nice [15:17]
draco49 I also run random.shuffle in between each individual number draw. [15:17]
rg this lil javascript is useful [15:17]
mircea_popescu well, prolly want to have all this written out somewhere for the user. [15:17]
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mircea_popescu in case they are interested. [15:17]
draco49 When I launch it, everything will be laid out, and the code will be public and visible. [15:18]
Joric the only thing i remembered from knuth you can't really improve lcrng by shuffling/whatever [15:19]
rg you can actually create a better random number generator device [15:19]
rg in linux [15:19]
rg and seed from it [15:19]
Joric not sure about Wichman-Hill though it looks complicated [15:20]
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draco49 I'm open to other alternatives... I just don't know how practically necessary it is to run extensive multiple random functions to pull 5 #s from a pool of 20. [15:21]
mircea_popescu draco49 : big difference between what's practically useful, what's practically necessary and what's practically a good ideea [15:23]
mircea_popescu look at all the us security theatre/tsa/etc. [15:23]
draco49 All theater. [15:23]
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Joric draco49, use and promote random org it'll look solid ) [15:24]
rawrmage solidcoin? [15:25]
neofutur rg: super clean, not even a warning [15:25]
Joric roadhouse [15:25]
draco49 Joric, I was originally going to use random.org, but I am not very comfortable with having the core of my application dependent on a 3rd party. [15:25]
neofutur for the js [15:26]
neofutur but soe parse errors on the css [15:26]
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neofutur rg: for the CSS : http://pastebin.com/Ta9fNh8h [15:27]
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neofutur rg: and some details for HTML5 : http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [15:29]
rg yeah that'll come later [15:29]
rg ill pay someone who knows what theyre doing to fix all my mistakes [15:30]
draco49 Joric, actually, I might switch to random.org ... I'm gonna run some tests with it and see what the results look like compared to what i've already written. [15:30]
draco49 rg: I'll give you a link to d/l Dreamweaver via torrent for .01 BTC [15:30]
rg neofutur [15:31]
rg what are you using to check that css? [15:31]
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neofutur firefox web console [15:31]
neofutur tools -> eweb developper [15:31]
neofutur https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-developer/ [15:32]
rg aha thanks [15:32]
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neofutur you can even edit css on the fly to try changes [15:33]
neofutur and much more ;) [15:33]
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neofutur https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yslow/ is also a cool addon [15:35]
rg W3C CSS Validator results for http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/ (CSS level 2.1) [15:35]
rg Sorry! We found the following errors (266) [15:35]
rg lol [15:35]
rg lots of work to do! [15:35]
rawrmage lol [15:35]
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rg ah ha! [15:36]
rg most of the errors are in a css thats not even used [15:36]
rg i forgot to remove it [15:36]
rg Sorry! We found the following errors (199) [15:36]
rg thats better [15:36]
rg most of the errors are css3 errors [15:37]
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rg in a css2 [15:37]
Joric oh gawd i got 807 errors on my site [15:37]
Joric mostly from twitter-bootstrap, i guess [15:38]
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mircea_popescu haha joric, you're not quite at my level :D [15:56]
mircea_popescu but anyway, the validator thing is ridiculous. [15:56]
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tbage whatup bitches [16:02]
tbage oh sorry wrong channel [16:02]
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EuSouBitcoin NewB to Bitcoin-OTC here. How do I get started? [16:03]
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kakobrekla hi [16:05]
kakobrekla !tell EuSouBitcoin [guide] [16:05]
mrsy EuSouBitcoin: read http://bitcoin-otc.com [16:05]
EuSouBitcoin I'm reading that. How do I get my ID added to the web of trust? [16:08]
mircea_popescu hello EuSouBitcoin. [16:08]
EuSouBitcoin Hello. [16:08]
mircea_popescu you need someone to rate you [16:08]
mircea_popescu which they will once you're registered and do a deal. [16:08]
EuSouBitcoin so the first thing I need to do is register? [16:09]
mircea_popescu yea [16:09]
EuSouBitcoin with gpg? [16:09]
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mircea_popescu do you have a gpg identity ? [16:13]
EuSouBitcoin no [16:13]
mircea_popescu well yes, first you need that then [16:14]
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smickles there's an excellent guide :D [16:14]
EuSouBitcoin I know I need to read a lot instead of bugging you first. If by some miracle I get through the pgp stuff I may be back here to trade. Until then it trading at Mt Gox for me. [16:15]
EuSouBitcoin Thanks for all your help. [16:15]
mircea_popescu cheers. [16:15]
mircea_popescu just note that an otc rating is a LOT more valuable than mtghox trading. [16:16]
EuSouBitcoin what I'm looking to do is to trade buy Liberty Reserve with USD via Dwolla. Do people do any types of those trades here or is it just BTC trades? [16:16]
mircea_popescu lr is traded all the time here yes [16:16]
EuSouBitcoin OK, it may be worth my while to educate myself. [16:16]
helo Bitcoin Struggles to Keep its Head Above $5.00. Doomed to Crash? [16:17]
EuSouBitcoin Thanks guys for all your help. [16:17]
coingenuity EuSouBitcoin: just wondering, why lr for dwolla? [16:17]
mircea_popescu lmao who's saying that helo ? [16:17]
EuSouBitcoin I need LR. Easiest way for me to pay is mtgoxUSD or Dwolla. [16:18]
EuSouBitcoin Is there a better way to pay with USD? [16:18]
helo mircea_popescu: someone who wants cheap bitcoin... [16:18]
helo rhymes with 'yellow' [16:18]
coingenuity i see, imsaguy [16:18]
mircea_popescu mellow ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu tallow ? [16:18]
EuSouBitcoin jello ? [16:19]
* helo [16:19]
mircea_popescu hehe. eusoubitcoin : you can prolly pay with btc ? [16:19]
[imsaguy] unless of course he's trying to buy btc [16:19]
[imsaguy] some exchanges won't accept dwolla, but they accept LR [16:19]
EuSouBitcoin I want to keep my BTC and get rid of my USD before they are completely worthless. [16:19]
smickles ;;ticker [16:19]
gribble Best bid: 4.85559, Best ask: 4.90098, Bid-ask spread: 0.04539, Last trade: 4.85558, 24 hour volume: 38909, 24 hour low: 4.82932, 24 hour high: 4.9499 [16:19]
mircea_popescu well so then buy btc with usd ? or anyway [16:20]
EuSouBitcoin that's why I want to pay with USD [16:20]
[imsaguy] At the end of the day, its none of our business? [16:20]
mircea_popescu whatever way you want to go you're likely to find counterparties here once you have a decent rating [16:20]
[imsaguy] do people ask you what you want to use your btc for? [16:20]
[imsaguy] is it any of their business? [16:20]
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EuSouBitcoin I'm in the US, I can pay with USD via Chase QuickPay or ING Direct's P2P service. [16:20]
mircea_popescu unlike dollars, which are for hookers and blow, btc can be used for all sorts of things. [16:21]
smickles ^ [16:21]
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EuSouBitcoin Is there a way to track how many businesses are accepting BTC for payment, other than https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade ? [16:22]
smickles mircea_popescu: are you aware that a certain former VJ uses the phrase "hookers and blow" nearly as often as you do? [16:23]
mircea_popescu i am not. [16:23]
mircea_popescu who's this piddly copycat ? [16:23]
smickles Adam Curry [16:23]
mircea_popescu never heard o' him. [16:23]
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mircea_popescu EuSouBitcoin that's the premier way i know of. [16:24]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67352.20 this shit is hysterical [16:26]
mircea_popescu the part where they ftp stuff back and forth to the bot rules. [16:27]
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draco49 oh gawd... the stupid shakuru trading bot.... [16:31]
draco49 lol [16:31]
smickles hey [16:31]
smickles he only has a license to use/sell that bot [16:31]
smickles :P [16:32]
mircea_popescu ya i think it's actually smickles' bot [16:32]
smickles I think so too [16:32]
mircea_popescu when all that's done yu'll prolly need a rebranding [16:32]
[imsaguy] how long will it take to earn 4k btc? [16:33]
mircea_popescu wasn't it supposed to do 2-15% a month ? [16:33]
[imsaguy] ;;calc 4000/.2 [16:34]
gribble 20000 [16:34]
[imsaguy] ;;calc 4000/.02 [16:34]
gribble 200000 [16:34]
[imsaguy] ;;calc 4000/.15 [16:34]
gribble 26666.6666667 [16:34]
mircea_popescu well unlikely anyone's putting 100k usd capital in it [16:34]
mircea_popescu also unlikely it scales that well. [16:34]
[imsaguy] I know ;) [16:34]
[imsaguy] its just to make a point that it would take forever. [16:34]
mircea_popescu i imagine you could make maybe 10-20 btc a month tops. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu anyone has handy that graph with the pools ? [16:35]
mircea_popescu as in, % of solved blocks ? [16:35]
errydayimgenerat ;;bc,blocks [16:36]
errydayimgenerat ;;blocks [16:36]
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smickles mircea_popescu: check out blockchain.info [16:38]
smickles oh nvm [16:39]
smickles that's by hashrate [16:39]
kinlo mircea_popescu: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be [16:40]
mircea_popescu um no was a pie [16:40]
mircea_popescu a ya ty kinlo [16:40]
errydayimgenerat i have unlocked about 0.1% of all blocks :) [16:41]
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rg imsaguy [16:42]
rg answer me [16:42]
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rg ;;ticker [16:48]
gribble Best bid: 4.85702, Best ask: 4.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.03298, Last trade: 4.85609, 24 hour volume: 39148, 24 hour low: 4.82932, 24 hour high: 4.9499 [16:48]
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helo rg: don't know if this is useful info to you in any way, but bitcoinvps.net is defunct/scamming [16:54]
candlepin tsa's bizarre response to the blogger who demonstrated the flaw in their scanners [16:54]
candlepin http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/03/viral-video-about-body-scanners.html [16:54]
helo searching for bitcoin vps on google shows them as #1, you as #4 [16:54]
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helo i dunno if a bunch of people on google+ giving bitvps.com a +1 would help at all, but you might want to start requesting that users +1 you [16:56]
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mircea_popescu "A video is making its way around the interwebs this morning from some guy claiming he figured out a way to beat our body scanners" [16:57]
mircea_popescu who writes tsa blog ?! [16:57]
draco49 Some mouthpiece at the TSA. [16:57]
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mircea_popescu ridiculous [16:58]
mircea_popescu sounds like an out of work macdonald shift supervisor [16:58]
helo oh, they say the scanner "has found things"! must be bullet proof! [16:58]
mircea_popescu its so retarded [16:59]
draco49 That's pretty much what it is... they got a TSA intern to be their "Internet presence". [17:00]
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draco49 The comments on that blog are awesome... definitely worth reading if you've got the time. [17:01]
mircea_popescu yea i read the first few [17:01]
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helo it's good to see that they aren't fooling anyone, at least [17:02]
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draco49 The TSA is one of the biggest failures in US history. [17:04]
draco49 Even the person who created the TSA thinks it should be abolished. [17:04]
mircea_popescu its pretty sad yes. [17:05]
mircea_popescu patriot shoulsd have bnever been voted to begin with. [17:05]
mircea_popescu unfortunately the us will not survive the ensuing crap. [17:05]
draco49 I agree... GW screwed us big time with that [17:06]
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mircea_popescu ;;seen luke-jr [17:06]
draco49 I just read the last page of that trading bot thread and it is, indeed, hysterical. [17:07]
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mircea_popescu yeah. [17:07]
draco49 the FTP thing is amazing [17:08]
draco49 He needs someone to write a batch file... [17:08]
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candlepin "some noob tried to hax our porno skanners and we were like lulz" - tsa blog [17:19]
rg i decided im gonna get breakfast [17:19]
rg and also buy breakfast for my room mate [17:19]
rg who just got home from a business trip [17:19]
rg thatll be nice [17:19]
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rg rg still looking for ally/pop money bank transfer=/ [17:19]
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copumpkin mine went through, right [17:20]
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candlepin yes [17:20]
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Metabank WTS 100 mtgox usd @ pp [17:41]
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candlepin JOBS act passed the house today. this makes crowdfinancing explicitly legal [17:45]
smickles :( [17:46]
smickles oh [17:47]
smickles wrong key [17:47]
smickles :) [17:47]
smickles lol [17:47]
mircea_popescu cool news candlepin [17:49]
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eldnord anyone from norway selling btc? [17:52]
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candlepin damn these clementines are full of seeds [17:53]
candlepin fuck this [17:53]
mircea_popescu you fuck seeds ? [17:53]
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kakobrekla eldnord try #bitcoin-otc-eu [17:55]
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jcpham hi candlepin [17:57]
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neofutur rg: breakfast is a good idea . . . today my breakfast was a trout ;) [18:13]
mircea_popescu hey! i just had trout! [18:14]
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mircea_popescu with freshly grated ginger an' lemon [18:15]
neofutur with rice, potatoes and beet here ;) [18:15]
neofutur a standard breakfast where I live [18:15]
neofutur all that + a tea for 6 soles ( 2$ ) [18:16]
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helo beet :( [18:16]
neofutur I love it [18:16]
neofutur my body just need purple [18:16]
helo i am a garbage-disposal type eater... i eat everything. except beets. [18:16]
neofutur here they also have a purple corn [18:17]
smickles 18:52 < eldnord> anyone from norway selling btc? [18:18]
smickles 18:52 < eldnord> anyone from norway selling btc? [18:18]
neofutur used to a delicious drink : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha [18:18]
smickles er [18:18]
smickles well, eldnord i meant to say, try #bitcoin-otc-eu [18:18]
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DBordello If anybody has a decent size MP, I will accept that for BTC [18:19]
smickles decent size? like 1k? [18:20]
smickles not that I have one [18:20]
rg we're only making plans [18:20]
rg for nigel! [18:20]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/AqQ9Z.gif [18:23]
smickles ;;t [18:23]
gribble That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 100000 bytes. [18:23]
neonindian Anybody interested in selling 17 BTC at $5 each through PayPal? PM me if interested. Thanks!!! [18:24]
mircea_popescu haha! [18:24]
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mircea_popescu also, beets kick ass. [18:24]
mircea_popescu i eat them shredded with horseradish all the time [18:24]
mircea_popescu dbordello : some guy jaypetermm was trying to offload [18:24]
mircea_popescu 1-2k ish mps [18:24]
DBordello mircea_popescu, anybody but him. [18:25]
mircea_popescu myea. [18:25]
DBordello i checked the channel first to see if he was in here [18:25]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:25]
mircea_popescu that bad eh ? [18:25]
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DBordello Lets just say, it is obvious he is doing something shady [18:26]
candlepin bro [18:26]
neofutur ;;gettrust neonindian [18:26]
smickles ;;getrating jaypetermm [18:26]
gribble Trust relationship from user ne0futur to user neonindian: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=ne0futur&dest=neonindian [18:26]
gribble User jaypetermm, created on Mon Feb 27 11:42:37 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jaypetermm Currently not authenticated. [18:26]
candlepin dude is trustworthy [18:27]
neofutur SerajewelKS: are you around ? [18:27]
SerajewelKS neofutur: yes [18:28]
neofutur just an idea for serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php [18:29]
neofutur it would be great if each name was link to the user rating or gpg ident [18:29]
neofutur http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ne0futur [18:29]
neofutur or http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=ne0futur [18:29]
SerajewelKS hmm, that'll depend on browsers' abilities to understand links in svg documents [18:29]
neofutur or at worst, have the links at the end of the page after the graph [18:30]
SerajewelKS i'll also have to see if graphvis supports linking nodes in output [18:30]
neofutur still good for me [18:30]
SerajewelKS ok [18:30]
jcpham idk if jaypetermm is trustworthy but he has been trying to do some MP business for awhile [18:31]
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mircea_popescu he's a little esl and people get a bad vibe. haven't heard anything definite against the guy yet. [18:35]
[imsaguy] esl? [18:36]
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neonindian Anybody interested in selling 17 BTC at $5 each through PayPal? PM me if interested. Thanks!!! [18:37]
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BTCHero jaypetermm is the middle man for moneypaks, he lives in india, pirate has had two of the moneypaks reversed as fraud now. I think that he makes up for it though... [18:40]
candlepin fraud? why no negative rating [18:41]
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jcpham BOOYA [18:44]
jcpham HARD DRIVE IN THE FREEZER TRICK JUST OWNED IT [18:44]
Chex hah [18:44]
gmaxwell Congrats. Man— that used to work like 20 years ago, I'm a bit surprised it still works. [18:45]
Chex and you defo wont be able to do that with SSDs [18:45]
mircea_popescu [imsaguy] english as a 2nd language. [18:45]
Chex so enjoy these 'good ole days' while you can :) [18:45]
phraust http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7118/1hd3yg.jpg [18:46]
BTCHero ;;getrating jaypetermm [18:46]
gribble User jaypetermm, created on Mon Feb 27 11:42:37 2012. Cumulative rating 3, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jaypetermm Currently not authenticated. [18:46]
mircea_popescu Y NO WITH SSDS! [18:46]
BTCHero hmmm [18:46]
neofutur so even moneypaks can be reversed ' [18:47]
pigeons candlepin: because he replaced the moneypaks that were removed for fraud. He says it was the same one customer of his that gave both bad moneypaks [18:47]
BTCHero looked through the logs and he removed the rating [18:47]
BTCHero and that... he seems to make up for it [18:47]
mircea_popescu when was this ? [18:48]
candlepin i c.. so he fixed it [18:48]
BTCHero yeah, I would say he is legit, but his customers aren't so.... [18:48]
BTCHero who would think that a bunch of old farts would be scammers... if his story about being a online viagra seller is the truth [18:50]
mircea_popescu you think impotence is age related ? [18:52]
mircea_popescu most scammers have small dicks that don't work too well. [18:52]
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Graet excellent point mircea_popescu [18:52]
mircea_popescu ty ty [18:52]
candlepin m0NeyP4K [18:52]
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mircea_popescu besides, old people steal all the time. batteries for instance, most shops no longer carry. [18:53]
jcpham https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a9cwyThlyk4/T1oyfVeKWCI/AAAAAAAADXc/23kA15oABnY/s992/12+-+1 [18:54]
jcpham ^ for the haters [18:54]
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candlepin olld guy mugged me the other day [18:55]
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candlepin he threatened to throw his colostomy bag at me [18:55]
mircea_popescu lmao [18:56]
mircea_popescu http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/thousands-spiders-blanket-australian-farm-escaping-flood-165958059.html << spiders. [18:57]
candlepin first the tree crabs now this [18:59]
candlepin interesting [18:59]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67901.20 fascinating read. [19:05]
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neonindian Anybody interested in selling 17 BTC at $5 each through PayPal? PM me if interested. Thanks!!! [19:09]
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helo jcpham: was the drive not spinning before the freezer? [19:15]
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bitcoinTrader selling btc [19:17]
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bitcoinTrader ;;seen jaypetermm [19:21]
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mcorlett ;;getrating neonindian [19:24]
gribble User neonindian, created on Fri Feb 3 13:01:07 2012. Cumulative rating 9, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 7 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=neonindian Currently authenticated from hostmask neonindian!6172b3ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.97.114.179.236 [19:24]
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chk SCAMMER [19:25]
candlepin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7TzPEYci_w cops pranked haha [19:26]
chk heuuehueuhehueuhehuehueueehuehuehuueueuhehe [19:27]
smickles ;;t [19:27]
gribble Cops Get Owned!!! - Epic Pee Prank - YouTube [19:27]
chk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk [19:28]
chk gr8 [19:29]
bitcoinTrader chk: scammer who? [19:29]
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chk bitcoinTrader im being a fool [19:29]
chk just aced biology exam [19:29]
chk and im on spring break now [19:29]
chk gashaghsahsgghasghahsgaghshagsgha [19:29]
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mircea_popescu any hot biochicks chk ? [19:33]
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chk awwww yeah!!! [19:35]
chk glasses and everything [19:35]
chk so fine [19:35]
chk like wine [19:35]
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smickles i say g'damn [19:37]
smickles http://pastebin.com/HM3PSK74 [19:37]
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AgoristRadio whats that for smickles ? [19:43]
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netxshare smickles: is that for glbse? [19:44]
smickles yes [19:45]
smickles AgoristRadio: netxshare it's for glbse [19:45]
mcorlett smickles: Doesn't look very official. [19:45]
smickles my account and assets have been frozen, including btc balances [19:45]
netxshare well at least they did something about the fraud [19:45]
netxshare that sucks [19:46]
netxshare I left glbse like a week before a bunch of major assets tanked and a bunch of fraud took place [19:46]
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smickles none of that info is required in their TOS [19:46]
candlepin who runs glbse? [19:47]
smickles nefario, i think [19:47]
mcorlett candlepin: nefari [19:47]
mcorlett o [19:47]
netxshare yea [19:47]
netxshare I would contact him on bitcointalk.org [19:47]
netxshare but chances are it's legit, and the tos just did not get updated [19:47]
netxshare people were making fake assets [19:47]
smickles netxshare: that is an email from him which i posted [19:47]
mcorlett Real name James McCarthy. [19:47]
netxshare the exchanges are just as bad now [19:47]
netxshare they want ID's/cc's/bank info [19:48]
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candlepin damn [19:48]
smickles I don't know if i trust him with that info [19:48]
tomoj noticed getbitcoin started asking for that [19:48]
tomoj others too? [19:48]
netxshare I don't know if I trust myself with that info =( [19:48]
candlepin so the bitcoin honeypost is expanding [19:49]
candlepin -s [19:49]
netxshare I understand trying to elimate fraud [19:49]
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netxshare but there is no reason he needs that info, he deals with no cash [19:49]
netxshare or rather legit currency [19:49]
smickles also, i don't have 2 of the things required [19:50]
netxshare there needs to be a 3rd party vetting service that can be trusted [19:50]
smickles a "national ID" and a linkedin account [19:50]
netxshare so you don't need to share this info with like 30 other people [19:50]
netxshare I think it's either or smickles [19:50]
tomoj good idea [19:50]
smickles nope [19:50]
netxshare wth [19:50]
smickles netxshare: read it, it requires all [19:51]
netxshare and he excepts people to use this service now lol [19:51]
smickles actually, i don't have a home phone either [19:51]
pigeons Nefario says he will keep your private info private unless you turn out to be a scammer, then he will make it public. I don't know the details of how he stores/protects the information [19:51]
netxshare the US does not have national ID [19:51]
netxshare I don't have a passport [19:51]
smickles pigeons: I wonder why none of this in in his TOS [19:52]
candlepin this id stuff is lame [19:52]
[eval] is it for listing assets only, or for trading? [19:52]
pigeons for listing assets [19:52]
netxshare don't have a facebook or linkedin account [19:52]
netxshare he needs to rethink his plan [19:52]
netxshare on of those ID's should be good enough [19:53]
smickles here's the funny part [19:53]
smickles my listing was pulles as fraud [19:53]
smickles but shakaru's wasn't [19:53]
smickles *pulled [19:53]
EvanR national socialist ID [19:53]
netxshare I am glad I stopped using glbse now [19:54]
smickles i wonder, if i refuse, do I get my 20 btc listing fee back? [19:54]
candlepin how is it even possible to detect fraud.. theres no independent financial auditing [19:55]
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candlepin its just a meeting place - its called moneymatching [19:56]
candlepin people with money are matched to people who want money [19:56]
candlepin caveat emptor [19:57]
ne0futur hi netxshare [19:57]
ne0futur any news for the new nnmcmarket bot ? [19:58]
candlepin i like glbse [19:58]
Blitzboom lol EvanR [19:58]
ne0futur if not lets put it on github so people can help ? [19:58]
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smickles well this sucks [20:02]
smickles it seems, if i can't provide all that info, MPOE.ETF is dead, and I have no way of refunding the investors :( [20:02]
mircea_popescu lmao smickles [20:02]
smickles mircea_popescu: did you see that link i posted? [20:03]
kakobrekla WHAT! [20:03]
kakobrekla my 2 shares are lost :( [20:03]
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smickles http://pastebin.com/HM3PSK74 [20:03]
smickles kakobrekla: [20:03]
draco49 This is where investors start hurling themselves out windows... [20:03]
smickles blame nefario [20:03]
mircea_popescu this is ridiculous. [20:03]
smickles yeah [20:04]
mircea_popescu if you've paid money to the guy feel free to -rate him, ill follow suit [20:04]
mircea_popescu im sure pretty much anyone else with any sense will [20:04]
mircea_popescu if you've not paid money to him forget the entire thing [20:04]
smickles mircea_popescu: i paid the 20 btc listing fee [20:04]
mircea_popescu glbse is pretty much a ridiculous pos. [20:04]
candlepin smickles: will he not return your B$? [20:05]
smickles mircea_popescu: if you missed it, i can't provied a national id, home phone number, or linkedin account, so I can't comply with the request [20:05]
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smickles candlepin: he hasn't responded to my email yet [20:05]
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draco49 Why was your account frozen? [20:05]
mircea_popescu either way. that crap is ridiculous. [20:05]
smickles draco49: he suspects me of fraud [20:06]
draco49 Why?? [20:06]
mircea_popescu i don't know who the guy takes himself for, but the point of fact is : he was all chummy with the skepsdyne scammer, [20:06]
smickles draco49: but not shakaru apparently [20:06]
mircea_popescu that guy ran off with everyone's money. [20:06]
smickles draco49: why? i don't know [20:06]
mircea_popescu then he was all pushing lib.x [20:06]
mircea_popescu that also blew [20:06]
mircea_popescu i wouldn [20:06]
mircea_popescu t trust him with my used toilet paper, [20:06]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [20:06]
draco49 Wow that is shitty. [20:06]
draco49 The ituation... and mircea_popescu's used TP. [20:07]
draco49 *s [20:07]
mircea_popescu lol [20:07]
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mircea_popescu the problem with decentralized systems [20:07]
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mircea_popescu is that every two bit nobody that can't code and can't type figures they are entitled to butt in as a gatekeeper [20:08]
mircea_popescu this is a false impression. [20:08]
kakobrekla smickles did you post that on the forums somewhere? [20:08]
smickles kakobrekla: yes [20:08]
smickles sec for link [20:08]
kakobrekla urlpls [20:08]
kakobrekla k [20:08]
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mcorlett Nefario just lost a lot of credibility from me. [20:08]
draco49 I don't know who that dude thinks he is to make you produce all that personal info. [20:08]
kakobrekla I still think he can be reasoned with [20:09]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68039.0 [20:09]
draco49 And I don't see how providing it will prove anything except that you're a real person. [20:09]
kakobrekla some public pressure should also help? [20:09]
draco49 smickles, you should post that pastebin in the forum so everyone can see what kind if shit he's trying to pull [20:10]
smickles yeah, it would be nice to know why I'm suspected of fraud [20:10]
smickles draco49: i did [20:10]
smickles ;;t [20:10]
gribble Is this common? GLBSE [20:10]
draco49 That should stir up the public pressure. [20:10]
mircea_popescu some public pressure should also help? << that. [20:10]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68039.0 < again [20:10]
draco49 Why the hell is gribble chiming in?? [20:10]
mcorlett ;;t [20:11]
EvanR mircea_popescu: the problem with decentralized systems is no one can assert their global personal wishlists, even if they have the money or power [20:11]
mircea_popescu that'd hardly be a problem evanr. [20:11]
EvanR oh wait thats not a problem ! [20:11]
mircea_popescu that's the saving grace. [20:11]
mircea_popescu he got ;;t draco [20:12]
draco49 Ya I missed that. [20:12]
draco49 I thought it was the rise of the machines for a sec... [20:12]
smickles lol [20:12]
smickles at least the machines seem to be on my side [20:12]
mircea_popescu actually, lawyer says that request puts him squarely on the wrong side of the law [20:13]
draco49 Yeah for now... just wait til people start creating these autonomous spawning agents... [20:13]
mircea_popescu he has to have a proper privacy policy including registered as a private data processor to ask for it. [20:13]
draco49 I really don't understand why he thinks he can freeze your account and basically steal your BTC because he suspects you of fraud. [20:15]
mircea_popescu maybe he's an american. [20:15]
draco49 LOL [20:15]
mircea_popescu i heard its the new national sport there, cops stop cars on the highway, steal all the occupant's cash [20:15]
mircea_popescu sorta like highway policery. [20:15]
draco49 There's nothing new about it... cops have been corrupt for as long as I can remember. [20:16]
mircea_popescu ya but outright highway robbery is a new thing. [20:16]
candlepin cops b evil [20:17]
draco49 If you have more than $9999.99 in cash on you, the cops can seize it unless you can provide proof that it was obtained legitimately. [20:18]
smickles that sounds illegal [20:19]
draco49 Doesn't it? [20:19]
draco49 And yet it's not... [20:19]
Buglouse If you have < than an amount they have cause for incarceration. [20:19]
pigeons the cops brag about it publically because they say it brings in money without having to raise taxes [20:19]
pigeons and nefario is a good guy, i agree this smickles situation is f*ed up and some communication is needed to straighten it out [20:20]
mircea_popescu draco49 : i know cases they seized 800$ from 5 people sorta deal. [20:20]
candlepin neafario - is his nick trying to say something? [20:20]
draco49 that's messed up.. [20:21]
mircea_popescu certainly not the best nick choice. [20:21]
pigeons he says its based on a character in a children's movie called despicable me [20:21]
mircea_popescu ya candlepin. then the people involved sued the shitty little county into oblivion [20:21]
Buglouse It is illegal to not hold the states currency. [20:21]
draco49 good guy or not, that email to smickles is ridiculous [20:21]
mircea_popescu then it was all "o, we are so sorry" bla bla [20:21]
pigeons i better read the actual email before i make a further fool of myself [20:22]
mircea_popescu sorry my ass. they were sorry they got fucked over, they weren't sorry for fucking people over. [20:22]
mircea_popescu pigeons : do. [20:22]
pigeons well that is what he has been doing for several months now [20:22]
mircea_popescu i hope for his benefit he's not located anywhere in the eu. [20:22]
mircea_popescu that shit is actually illegal here. [20:23]
pigeons he spoke about it on the glbse forums and you can talk to him before you list [20:23]
pigeons he is living in UK at the moment [20:23]
mircea_popescu well then he's in a world of fuck if anyone feels like reporting him. [20:23]
pigeons it will get straightened out, i would be angry about it too, you are right, but it will get worked out [20:23]
EvanR lol [20:23]
EvanR world of fuck [20:23]
EvanR sounds like a great domain name [20:23]
mircea_popescu srsly tho, im not kidding, it's illegal. [20:23]
mircea_popescu lmao evanr so geddit. [20:24]
EvanR im not in the adult business [20:24]
EvanR at the moment [20:24]
mircea_popescu i hear it's on the last dregs anyway. [20:25]
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pigeons the project has more ambition than execution [20:26]
mircea_popescu a lot more. anyway, reference : http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0046:en:HTML [20:26]
mircea_popescu and a wiki digesrt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive [20:26]
mircea_popescu he's in breach about half of it, there's fines and even jail in the uk i tihnk. [20:27]
mircea_popescu not to mention all the civil remedies available. [20:27]
smickles i think he's in the uk [20:28]
smickles mircea_popescu: you want to mention that legal stuff in the bitcointalk thread? [20:29]
mircea_popescu i don't have a btc talk acct, but feel free to quote, [20:29]
mircea_popescu this is all public anwyay [20:29]
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pigeons hey nefario [20:30]
nefario I heard someones having some issues [20:30]
nefario yo [20:30]
nefario ok so lets have the questions and I'll answer as best as I can [20:31]
mcorlett nefario: Identify yourself. [20:31]
nefario I am nefario [20:31]
mircea_popescu yea, that. after which : have you talked to a lawyer or are you just winging it ? [20:31]
mcorlett Prove it. [20:31]
nefario someone email doctor.nefario@gmail.com a number [20:32]
pigeons i emailed nefario to let him know how people are feeling and thought he would want to communicate [20:32]
mircea_popescu dude, ident with gribble [20:32]
nefario another time, it's been ages since I've used gribble [20:32]
mircea_popescu sigh, [20:32]
pigeons i asked him to come and he did [20:32]
nefario we'll I've not been on here for ages [20:32]
nefario months [20:32]
mircea_popescu guy has the cheek to ask for people's first born kid [20:33]
mircea_popescu can't be arsed to id wirth gribble. [20:33]
mircea_popescu do you think you're god or something ? [20:33]
pigeons this is sort of the root: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68039.0 [20:33]
mircea_popescu ;;tell nefario [guide] [20:33]
mircea_popescu get with the program. [20:33]
nefario I can talk and explain, or I can spend the time ID'ing with gribble [20:34]
mircea_popescu spend the time. [20:34]
nefario reading thread, give me a min [20:34]
pigeons i think smickles was suprised that his account was frozen because he didn't see that in the TOS which he read first and he is trying to run a stand-up venture [20:34]
smickles that and [20:35]
pigeons its sort of a lot of money to list and to think it might be gone can make one worry [20:35]
nefario 1331317997 [20:35]
smickles some of the info you asked for doesn't exist [20:35]
nefario ok smickles [20:35]
nefario I assume that it's your glbse account n asset right? [20:35]
smickles bty, Howdy nefario [20:35]
nefario hey [20:35]
smickles yes [20:35]
nefario ok so, firstly allow me to explain why I locked [20:36]
smickles nefario: i am idented w/ gribble, and my gpg identity is the same on glbse and here [20:36]
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nefario so [20:37]
nefario the thread that caused me to lock the asset and account [20:38]
nefario https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67697 [20:38]
nefario An asset dealing with MPOE that was not created by MPOE [20:38]
draco49 wtf... smickles isn't even mentioned in that thread [20:38]
nefario yes [20:38]
nefario I contacted MPOE-PR about this [20:39]
nefario said this asset had nothing to do with them [20:39]
nefario alarm bells started ringing as a result [20:39]
mircea_popescu you contacted my pr girl to ask for her facebook, [20:39]
mircea_popescu don't be an asshat. [20:39]
mircea_popescu i know she's cute and all, but seriously now. [20:40]
nefario whoa [20:40]
nefario hold your horses there [20:40]
nefario I have a facebook account for GLBSE [20:40]
nefario to allow facebook to be one method of verifying users ids [20:40]
mircea_popescu she was pretty pissed i'll tell you that much. [20:40]
mircea_popescu i wassn't going to mention it in public, but... myea. [20:40]
pigeons smickles is holding MPOE "stockish things", independently from MPOe, with MPOE's knowledge, as a way to allow them to be traded on glbse [20:42]
smickles " I had emailed the creator a day or two ago about ID verification but have not received a reply." from that thread, you must have used an email other than the one in the asset contract [20:43]
nefario probably [20:43]
nefario http://pastie.org/3558978 [20:43]
nefario here is what I've been contacting asset creators with [20:43]
nefario to verify their identity [20:44]
mircea_popescu do we actually know this guy = glbse.nefario or are we mostly being trolled here ? [20:44]
draco49 You don't have any right to private personal documents. [20:44]
pigeons mircea_popescu: I vouch for nefario being nefario from glbse [20:44]
mircea_popescu a good. [20:44]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: The number I sent to the email listed on the GLBSE page was posted: 1331317997 [20:45]
pigeons i understand the emotions but i don't think the intent is there, so i thought this could get straightened out [20:45]
mircea_popescu so to get back to the point here : nefario, you're asking for things which, given that you live within the eu, put you at considerable risk. [20:45]
mircea_popescu do you understand this ? [20:45]
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draco49 I will also need you're home phone number, your mobile number, your home address. [20:45]
draco49 Some information about your professional life (where you currently work etc.) [20:45]
nefario I'm familiar with dataprotection legislation [20:46]
mircea_popescu if you ever divulge such info, intentionally or not, you will be liable, the fines are stiff, there can be prison, you need to register as a processor etc ? [20:46]
nefario yeah [20:46]
mircea_popescu if you say so. [20:46]
mircea_popescu from what my lawyer saw (casually glancing over your site) you'd be in breach. [20:46]
helo allall [20:46]
helo sdlfkjsdflkj [20:46]
jago25_98 I'm looking for virtual credit card, small amount preferred. I pay first as long as you have feedback. Doesn't have to be a rounded number. Could be a good way to use up some unused credit [20:46]
helo doh, sorry [20:46]
draco49 Why would you need personal information about his life and where he works? [20:46]
nefario draco49: have you used GLBSE before? [20:47]
helo all part of the master plan, mircea_popescu [20:47]
nefario are you aware of its history? [20:47]
nefario it was a free for all, almost no rules or regulations [20:47]
draco49 Yes I know the history... I know it was a scam pit before you took over. [20:47]
smickles i put my home address in the signed asset contract [20:47]
pigeons nefario started it, he did not take over [20:47]
nefario pigeons: yes [20:47]
nefario I've been running it since the begining [20:47]
draco49 But what you're asking for goes way above and beyond reasonable. nefario [20:47]
nefario not really [20:48]
nefario also it's not mandatory [20:48]
draco49 It [20:48]
nefario we're moving towards GLBSE2.0 [20:48]
draco49 It's only mandatory for smickles ? [20:48]
nefario no [20:48]
pigeons nefario: there are many people here who trust that we can get a hold of smickles should a need arise [20:48]
nefario did you not look at the link? [20:48]
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nefario at the time I learned of this asset [20:48]
nefario I looked fraudulent [20:49]
draco49 Yes I read it... it's completely unreasonable. [20:49]
nefario to prevent a scam I froze the asset [20:49]
nefario and account [20:49]
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nefario look, all Im trying to do is protect users [20:49]
nefario prevent them from being ripped off [20:49]
draco49 Are the the sole arbiter of the fate of the assets on GLBSE? [20:49]
pigeons does smickles now meet your requirements? [20:49]
Cusipzzz prevent people from being ripped off on glbse? a bit too late, lol [20:50]
nefario we'll he's got a reputation right? [20:50]
draco49 I can understand and respect that, but the way you are trying to go about it is ass-backwards. [20:50]
smickles um, am i missing somethng, nefario you posted a link to a forum thread and said that it was what prompted you to suspect me of fraud, I see nothing there which would indicate that [20:50]
pigeons ;;getrating smickles [20:50]
gribble User smickles, created on Wed Jan 4 18:28:52 2012. Cumulative rating 38, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=smickles Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@96.44.148.140 [20:50]
pigeons and mircea_popescu, what are your thoughts about smickles glbse asset? [20:50]
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mircea_popescu well, specifically pigeons ? [20:52]
mircea_popescu i don't see a problem with the guy's plan as he described it, [20:52]
mircea_popescu anyone is entitled to own the stock and use it as they see fit, making an eft/dr whatever included. [20:52]
smickles nefario: i'd also like to know why you think the asset contract I wrote looked fradulent [20:53]
nefario give me a minute [20:53]
mircea_popescu i personally wouldn't use glbse, but if other people want to take that risk it's entirely their soup. [20:53]
draco49 lol after all this, I'll keep my BTC and use it elsewhere [20:54]
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smickles :( [20:54]
smickles draco49: you know what this means [20:54]
nefario mircea_popescu: I'd like an appology [20:55]
nefario from you [20:55]
pigeons it looks to me like nefario had a genuine misunderstand about the asset with good intentions and smickles genuinely and rightly feels a little slighted or offended by that [20:55]
nefario insinuating that I'm hitting on your assistant [20:55]
smickles if i submit to nefario's request and get the account unfrozen, I still lose b/c the asset is now worth significantly less [20:55]
mircea_popescu you can like any apology whatsoever. were you or were you not all chummy with that skepsidyne guy ? [20:55]
nefario smickles: no need [20:55]
nefario I didn't know you were part of a reputation network [20:56]
mircea_popescu d'oh. [20:56]
nefario I just came across an asset I didn't know and in the context seemed suspicious [20:56]
mircea_popescu so you just decided to axe it ? [20:56]
mircea_popescu that sounds a mite irresponsible. [20:56]
nefario bear in mind that I'm pressed for time [20:56]
mircea_popescu dude [20:56]
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nefario freeze it [20:56]
mircea_popescu did you charge this guy $100 for your time ? [20:56]
nefario nothings lost [20:56]
mircea_popescu how much time dfoes 100 dollars buy ? [20:56]
draco49 Given that you run a Bitcoin trading platform, you might wanna take the time to pop in to the bitcoin trading channel from time to time to keep up with things... [20:56]
smickles nefario: the assets bylaws link provided a link to the thread on bitcointalk where I announced -gpg signed- that I am smickes on -otc [20:57]
nefario mircea_popescu: whats your problem [20:57]
pigeons nefario wasn't aware of this discussion so he was a little blindided when i asked him to come in here [20:57]
smickles nefario: you seem to have not looked into my asset very well [20:57]
pigeons *blindsided [20:57]
nefario smickles: I hadn't [20:57]
mircea_popescu he seems to be blindsided with dazzling frequency. [20:57]
smickles and yet you claimed it looked fradulent? [20:58]
jago25_98 If not a VCC then I how's about a amazon S3 account (suggest paying via a limited credit source) [20:58]
nefario mircea_popescu: whats your problem, since I've arrived you've been nothing but badmouthing me [20:58]
mircea_popescu nefario : you stepped on toes. make it right. that is all. [20:58]
smickles :( [20:58]
draco49 nefario, your knee-jerk reaction to what you personally suspected was a fraud risk has damaged smickles and mircea_popescu [20:58]
nefario I contacted mircea_popescu PR person about this asset [20:58]
nefario said it had nothing to do with them [20:58]
smickles nefario: so, they do have nothing to do with it [20:59]
smickles other than it's the underlying asset which the fund intends to buy [20:59]
nefario smickles: whats your public ID? [20:59]
smickles on glbse? [20:59]
smickles sec [20:59]
nefario for GBLSE [20:59]
nefario ja [20:59]
nefario smickles: do you have an OTC rating? [21:00]
draco49 lol [21:00]
mcorlett ;;getrating smickles [21:00]
gribble User smickles, created on Wed Jan 4 18:28:52 2012. Cumulative rating 38, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=smickles Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~smickles@96.44.148.140 [21:00]
smickles ident [21:00]
smickles ;;ident [21:00]
gribble You are identified as user smickles, with GPG key id EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and key fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F. [21:00]
nefario right, I'll also need to incorporate OTC ratings into GLBSE [21:00]
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smickles nefario: i think i pm'd you what you asked fro [21:01]
smickles *for [21:01]
mircea_popescu right, I'll also need to incorporate OTC ratings into GLBSE << a good ideea. [21:02]
smickles it's kinda sad tho, you've devalued the asset [21:02]
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mcorlett nefario: Rating database is available at http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/. I have some experience in working with the data; let me know if you need any help. nanotube is also very helpful. [21:03]
mircea_popescu nanotube is indeed helpful. there's also jsons available [21:03]
nefario thanks mcorlett [21:03]
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smickles oh, btw [21:03]
smickles ;;view 7096 [21:03]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [21:03]
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* smickles thought it's a good time to advertise that [21:04]
mircea_popescu that said, the general goal of making it difficult for scam assets being listed is worthy. the implementation could be improved. [21:04]
smickles lol [21:04]
draco49 Yes, ending world hunger is a noble goal as well, but the best solution is not to kill everyone [21:05]
smickles that DR could now be more valuable than the listing on GLBSE [21:05]
kakobrekla also by taging someone safe or better, failing to tag someone as high risk, kind of moves a part of the responsibility on GLBSE [21:05]
nefario smickles: account activated [21:05]
mcorlett Group hug! [21:05]
nefario all should be working now [21:05]
mircea_popescu and for the record : i've had the girl send me the actual pm's exchanged [21:06]
smickles nefario: thank you for your understanding [21:06]
nefario no problem [21:06]
mircea_popescu nefario was not hitting on her, tho that's what i originally heard. [21:06]
draco49 [21:06]
nefario not nice getting a grilling though [21:06]
mircea_popescu so i guess we're mostly having a layered misunderstanding going on here. [21:06]
nefario pretty much [21:06]
nefario add to that [21:06]
nefario time restaints [21:06]
nefario I'm also trying to organise Bitcoin2012 for london [21:07]
kakobrekla now scam us smickles! :p [21:07]
nefario and working with Intersango [21:07]
mircea_popescu nefario : this here -otc is very active, maybe have someone active here on staff to help ? [21:07]
mircea_popescu pigeons for instance knows the ropes well. [21:07]
mircea_popescu might cut through a lot of such potential misunderstandings in the future. [21:07]
draco49 nefario, just an impartial observation... maybe you're spread a little thin and are trying to wear too many hats. [21:07]
nefario I am [21:08]
nefario but [21:08]
draco49 it sounds like you've got a LOT going on [21:08]
nefario no one else is going to wear them [21:08]
nefario GLBSE isn't running at a profit [21:08]
draco49 Maybe you should take some of those hats off then. [21:08]
nefario I'll manage [21:08]
nefario anyway, smickles [21:08]
nefario what would you like me to do to help [21:09]
nefario thanks to pigeons for emailing me about this also, otherwise I wouldn't have known [21:09]
draco49 If you're doing all that other stuff AND trying to operate the stock exchange for an emerging global economy, I don't see how it can work out in the long run. [21:09]
pigeons thanks for being available [21:09]
grubles any wot trusted person here with chase quickpay? [21:09]
nefario draco49: It's not going to continue like this forever [21:10]
nefario when I find the right person I'll delegate that to them [21:11]
draco49 nefario, I wish you the best [21:11]
nefario thanks draco49 [21:11]
nefario also [21:11]
nefario GLBSE- no breakins or hacks [21:11]
smickles nefario: could you post here:(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) that this was all sorted out [21:11]
nefario sure [21:11]
mircea_popescu any wot trusted person here with chase quickpay? << jsut giving actual traders a 2nd chance in -otc :p [21:11]
smickles heh, this may not have been the appropriate channel for that discussion [21:12]
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grubles mircea_popescu: it's the off topic channel, remember [21:13]
pigeons well it started here, and it ended here [21:13]
mircea_popescu -otc is like the superchanel. [21:13]
mircea_popescu but in fairness, this is how it works. where's the market there;'s the forum and everything else. [21:13]
mircea_popescu always was that way, since the greeks. [21:13]
pigeons agora baby [21:14]
grubles i know i was just making a funny [21:14]
draco49 Speakin of markets... there's some hot deals over in #bitcoin-auctions right now :) [21:14]
mircea_popescu nicole's knickers ? [21:15]
luke-jr pirateat40: ping [21:16]
draco49 lol [21:16]
pigeons ;;unrate mcorlett [21:16]
pirateat40 pong [21:16]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for mcorlett. [21:16]
grubles luke-jr: got chase quickpay? [21:16]
rg ;;ticker [21:16]
gribble Best bid: 4.88451, Best ask: 4.88452, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000000005e-05, Last trade: 4.88451, 24 hour volume: 35231, 24 hour low: 4.851, 24 hour high: 4.9499 [21:16]
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rg rg still looking for Ally/PopMoney bank transfer [21:17]
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candlepin whoa [21:17]
luke-jr grubles: no idea [21:18]
luke-jr pirateat40: Eligius *is* available as an option to GPUMAX customers, right? [21:18]
pirateat40 Yea [21:18]
luke-jr k [21:18]
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grubles luke-jr: if you have a chase account you do [21:18]
luke-jr grubles: I have a Chase credit card [21:18]
grubles hm [21:19]
grubles that might work im not sure [21:19]
mircea_popescu rg how long has it been ? [21:19]
nefario https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.msg792758#msg792758 [21:19]
rg hey pirate [21:19]
pirateat40 howdy [21:19]
rg you've got a good eye for website related stuff [21:19]
rg can i borrow your good eye for a moment? [21:20]
pirateat40 uhh... ok [21:20]
rg http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [21:20]
mircea_popescu pirateat40 has one eye only. [21:20]
rg what do you think? [21:20]
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rg mircea_popescu: yes, i was trying to make a joke [21:20]
mcorlett nefario: Identify yourself. [21:20]
mcorlett I am nefario [21:20]
mircea_popescu it's not nice to make fun of the disabled rg ;/ [21:20]
copumpkin nefario is nefario [21:21]
rg sure it is [21:21]
mircea_popescu hehehe [21:21]
rg theyre different from me [21:21]
copumpkin this is because "is" is a reflexive relation [21:21]
rg thats funny [21:21]
mircea_popescu mcorlett : that was pretty funny :) [21:21]
mircea_popescu it's a pity not more people know about the power&flexibility of irc+gribble+wot [21:21]
nefario I know it [21:22]
nefario it's just I've been away for MONTHS [21:22]
mircea_popescu a [21:22]
nefario I have an OTC rating [21:22]
nefario can't remeber what it is, not much I think [21:22]
nefario remember [21:22]
mircea_popescu it's a good thing to have, for sure. [21:22]
pigeons i rated you for the loom invite trade we did [21:22]
mcorlett ;;getrating nefario [21:23]
gribble User nefario, created on Tue Jul 12 19:55:49 2011. Cumulative rating 4, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=nefario Currently not authenticated. [21:23]
nefario yeah [21:23]
mircea_popescu almost 6 months. [21:23]
nefario I've not used it much since, I've not been on irc for about 6 months at this stage [21:23]
nefario yeah [21:23]
mircea_popescu anyway. [21:23]
* rg fears pirateat40's silence [21:24]
rg hes typing up a flame about my new website ;< [21:24]
pigeons he's busy reaking havok [21:24]
mircea_popescu he's prolly got your ssh key by now rg :D [21:24]
copumpkin the silence of the pirate [21:24]
mircea_popescu so for the longest time i had an empty case next to my desk, and got in the habit of playing with the power button [21:25]
mircea_popescu just rebooted a box ;/ [21:25]
draco49 hahaha [21:25]
mircea_popescu and obviously its up with fsck [21:25]
mircea_popescu oy vey [21:25]
draco49 you need a squeeze ball or something to keep your hands busy [21:26]
mircea_popescu take that to nsfw :D [21:26]
nefario pigeons: you know, my IRL identity is publicly known [21:26]
draco49 lol [21:26]
mircea_popescu this is where i go "mine too. i am mircea popescu." [21:26]
smickles heh [21:27]
nefario later [21:27]
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pigeons okay. everyone knew where i lived too until i moved into my van [21:27]
smickles i think my IRL idenity can be found via a whois of the site hosting the bylaws of MPOE.ETF [21:27]
mircea_popescu i think of all the bitcoin-related projects that blow [21:27]
mircea_popescu blow up i mean [21:28]
mircea_popescu the vast majority do so because of way overworked founder [21:28]
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mircea_popescu a minority actually have malus embedded. [21:28]
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mircea_popescu maybe someonee should make a website for btc entrepreneurs [21:28]
mircea_popescu explaining basic work hygiene and such things. "don't work 16 hour days ALL THE TIME" [21:28]
mircea_popescu etc. [21:29]
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mircea_popescu maybe it saves a few sould. [21:29]
mircea_popescu souls* [21:29]
phraust nah, that kinda knowledge comes from experience. [21:29]
phraust and age, lol. [21:29]
mircea_popescu yeah, true... [21:29]
mircea_popescu one can hope i guess. [21:30]
smickles huh [21:30]
smickles i was wrong [21:30]
candlepin well the bitcoin ecosystem is too small to support a lot of projects right now [21:30]
smickles my registrar automatically hides that info [21:30]
mircea_popescu i think size follows projects not the other way around. [21:30]
Cusipzzz size doesn't matter...allegedly [21:30]
mircea_popescu you're not female i take it ? [21:31]
Cusipzzz lol [21:31]
mircea_popescu hehe [21:31]
smickles chicken ... egg... c'mon there were eggs long before chickens, or even birds existed [21:31]
Cusipzzz sorry i missed the nefario stuff.. he's the guy who was denied entry to the US right? [21:31]
pigeons Cusipzzz: yes [21:32]
candlepin the market is just a little north of $40 mil [21:32]
candlepin and of that, a small amount is liquid [21:32]
pigeons because of his wonderful communication skills ;) [21:32]
candlepin so.. its really fighting over scraps [21:32]
Cusipzzz pigeons: haha yeah. but a good story [21:32]
mircea_popescu lol what happened there ? [21:33]
pigeons mircea_popescu: http://blog.glbse.com/no-electronic-devices [21:34]
pigeons US border asked nefario how he was going to support himself in San Fran, he said, don't worry, I've got lot's of bitcoins [21:34]
draco49 LMAO [21:34]
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draco49 They wouldn't let him into the country? [21:35]
mcorlett And that's where things started going south. [21:35]
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mcorlett draco49: Back to China he went! [21:35]
mircea_popescu jesus the us is INSANE [21:35]
mircea_popescu who puts up with that shit ? [21:35]
* mircea_popescu is happy he split. [21:35]
pigeons draco49: nope, he was sent back [21:35]
draco49 hahaha [21:35]
Cusipzzz yep, crazy [21:36]
draco49 he seems to be blindsided with dazzling frequency <--- my fav part of that exchange. [21:36]
mircea_popescu lol [21:36]
Cusipzzz common sense not very common [21:36]
mircea_popescu to be fair, guy's not nearly as bad as i had him pegged originally. [21:36]
draco49 I missed it when you first wrote it... I just saw it in the pastebin [21:37]
mircea_popescu what pastebin lol [21:37]
kakobrekla >Avoid any mention of bitcoin, they don't like it at all. [21:37]
kakobrekla no shit sherlock [21:37]
smickles mircea_popescu: he did admit to thinking my asset was fradulent w/o really looking at it [21:37]
draco49 I'm sure that he's a nice person with good intentions, but I don't see how he can be so busy doing all these things and still think he can properly run a stock exchange. [21:37]
mircea_popescu smickles : he did fix it right ? [21:38]
mircea_popescu well draco49, we're entitled to hope. [21:38]
draco49 He gave smickles his acct back, but the damage can't be undone. [21:38]
mircea_popescu eh damage. someone buy some smickleshares, will be fine. [21:38]
smickles mircea_popescu: well, if you mean that tha account is unfrozen and the asset is listed again, yes [21:38]
mircea_popescu well what do you want him to do, buy 20 btc worth of it lol [21:39]
smickles mircea_popescu: * was just for clairification [21:39]
candlepin let the btc's rain down like candy [21:39]
draco49 irl he'd be up to ears in civil damages [21:39]
mircea_popescu yea i know. [21:39]
mircea_popescu live and let live i say. [21:40]
smickles i'm fine with that ;) [21:40]
pigeons comeon, you got lots of publicity and we spelled your name right [21:40]
draco49 with most things, yes.... but when money's involved.... [21:40]
draco49 lol only because of autotab [21:41]
pigeons i was gonna spell it splatster [21:41]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:41]
smickles i mean, nefario aske me what i wanted him to do and I asked him for only one post on a forum thread [21:41]
mircea_popescu poor splatster gets up, 5000 highlights [21:41]
mircea_popescu comprehends nothing [21:41]
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draco49 there's a rumor that splatster and danieldaniel are the same person :P [21:41]
mircea_popescu a, that's good smickles. seriously i think should be fine. [21:41]
draco49 or at least there is now... [21:42]
mircea_popescu lmao noway splatster is d2. [21:42]
smickles draco49: it's always been there [21:42]
draco49 I didn't say it was true. [21:42]
draco49 Just that there's a rumor. [21:43]
mircea_popescu if it were true would it be a rumor ? [21:43]
draco49 maybe [21:43]
rawrmage draco49: lol [21:43]
draco49 being a rumor, one never really knows [21:43]
pigeons by the way there is a podcast interview with nefario here: http://agoristradio.com/?p=447 [21:43]
draco49 I'm sure it's a riveting interview... [21:44]
pigeons i actually enjoyed it [21:44]
* mircea_popescu has no time for audio material. [21:44]
draco49 I'll have a listen :) [21:44]
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phraust hrm, I got kicked out of canada for the same thing. not enough money. [21:46]
phraust no credit card, just debit. had to go back across the border and withdraw cash. [21:46]
kakobrekla ah nice to see people listen to cyberphunkd [21:46]
kakobrekla felt almost lonley. [21:47]
candlepin damn phraust [21:47]
phraust shitty tgat nefario had to go all the way back to china. [21:47]
candlepin border guards are now demanding you bring cash? [21:47]
phraust it was a while ago, but they were concerned that $500 wasnt rnough for a week. [21:48]
candlepin i c [21:48]
candlepin i just tell them im "going shopping" [21:48]
candlepin then i stay for 7 years [21:48]
phraust heh [21:48]
mircea_popescu when i landed at logan airport i had ~8400 in cash on me and a suitcase full of suits [21:48]
mircea_popescu guy was like... do you have no clothes ? [21:48]
mircea_popescu i was yes. these. [21:48]
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phraust lol [21:49]
mircea_popescu was like 0.o [21:49]
phantomcircuit lol [21:49]
draco49 I just read that whole blog post about them detaining him and shipping him back to China. [21:49]
draco49 Toooooooooooo funny :D [21:50]
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Chex phraust: canuks are very concerned about your financial viability while visiting canada [21:51]
Chex phraust: when I used to visit I always ran into that issue [21:51]
mircea_popescu this is just a scam to get foreigners to bring money in poor countries. [21:52]
draco49 Its because of their socialistic culture... they're afraid of people coming in and leeching govt resources. [21:52]
Chex draco49: yeah was just gonna say that [21:52]
phantomcircuit open borders, welfare, pick one [21:52]
phraust Chex, it was crazy though, I was in tornto in the middle of the winter, and bums were freezing solid in the streets. [21:52]
phantomcircuit unless you're a democrat [21:53]
phantomcircuit in that case [21:53]
draco49 Follow the only road... [21:53]
phantomcircuit pick both and bury your head in the sand [21:53]
Chex phraust: im in MOntreal, and I see it all winter long, mang [21:53]
phraust fuckin nuts. [21:53]
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Chex neonindian: did that BTC finally come thru? [21:53]
mircea_popescu two winters ago it was VERY cold here. -20. unheard of. so 4-5 people died. [21:53]
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mircea_popescu i screamed bloody muyrder, more bloggers and others joined in [21:54]
Chex mircea_popescu: we get down to -20 normally in a jan/feb cold snap.. no big whoop here [21:54]
mircea_popescu this year the police was arresting bums so they won't freeze [21:54]
Chex -30 starts to get SRS [21:54]
mircea_popescu apparently you can't win ;/ [21:54]
neonindian chex: yes, your rated! [21:54]
neonindian you're* [21:54]
Chex neonindian: thanks broseph :) [21:55]
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AgoristRadio ah nice to see people listen to cyberphunkd - new episodes coming in the next few days [21:59]
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kakobrekla cool :) [22:00]
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candlepin they caught sabu "because just once, he logged onto IRC without going through Tor, revealing to the FBI his IP address," [22:05]
mircea_popescu just once huh. [22:05]
candlepin seems a little too convenient [22:06]
mircea_popescu lulzsec getting raped was unavoidable [22:06]
mircea_popescu general law of lulz : it's like entropy. it maximizes. [22:06]
mircea_popescu or was that general law of butthurt ? [22:06]
mircea_popescu either way. [22:06]
EvanR lol [22:07]
EvanR idiots [22:07]
mircea_popescu you mean that universally or you just mean it generally ? [22:07]
EvanR generally universal [22:08]
mircea_popescu i think i might have logged into irc w/o going through tor once or twice myself. [22:08]
occulta anyone used https://bitfloor.com/ ? [22:10]
occulta looks promising [22:10]
[eval] is the FBI here watching us exchange bitcoins and ask internet "women" for nudes? :P [22:11]
[eval] occulta: i have an account; i love that they implement a liquidity rebate [22:11]
[eval] but i only trade on OTC now, not on exchanges [22:11]
draco49 You know what the cops do when they want you to be an informant and you refuse to cooperate? They tell everyone that you're an informant and are cooperating with them. [22:11]
occulta seems like they are going the right way for realworld trading [22:11]
occulta with the FIX implementation [22:11]
[eval] occulta: i agree [22:11]
EvanR remember. when you ask (real) internet women for nudes, you are asking for nudes of a real women ;) [22:11]
occulta watched an episode with the dev on the bitcoinshow today [22:11]
occulta looks greats [22:12]
occulta smart guy [22:12]
Blitzboom EvanR: no women on the interwebs [22:12]
EvanR on freenode at least [22:12]
[eval] real women only exist on myspace and facebook... and most of those are actually spam accounts [22:12]
Blitzboom on bitcoin as well [22:12]
mircea_popescu [eval] may be. [22:12]
EvanR truth [22:12]
draco49 I feel bad for the FBI Agent who has to sit and look at this channel all day :P [22:12]
occulta EvanR: i am a lady. [22:12]
EvanR false [22:12]
Blitzboom occulta: no you’re not [22:12]
draco49 mayspace? wtf [22:13]
Cusipzzz lol no way [22:13]
occulta proof? [22:13]
Blitzboom there’s no such thing as female BTC users [22:13]
Blitzboom sure [22:13]
Cusipzzz Blitzboom: agreed [22:13]
candlepin "hammond was observed leaving the chicago residence. after he left, diminished TOR and Internet activity was detected from the Pen/Trap data." [22:13]
occulta prove that i am not [22:13]
mircea_popescu draco49> I feel bad for the FBI Agent who has to sit and look at this channel all day :P < word. [22:13]
occulta maybe im a really smart dog? [22:13]
[eval] hahaha yeah [22:13]
Cusipzzz occulta: that would be more likely, yes [22:13]
mircea_popescu wasn't mizerydaria a girl ? [22:13]
Blitzboom yeah [22:13]
Blitzboom i think not [22:13]
helo candlepin: what's that from? [22:14]
[eval] occulta: only if you don't gnaw on your bone on my couch :/ [22:14]
occulta rg is a girl, but shhh thats a secret [22:14]
occulta used to be a girl* [22:14]
Blitzboom i think the percentage of females is nowhere lower than in bitcoin [22:14]
draco49 He had a penis implant? [22:14]
mircea_popescu i used to be a mean bastard. [22:14]
EvanR she can gnaw on my bone [22:14]
occulta sure did! [22:14]
Blitzboom because it combines geekiness, speculation and gambling [22:15]
occulta Blitzboom: you are wrong... http://www.cryptocommodity.org/tats/potobtc.jpg [22:15]
[eval] girls like to watch guys gamble, though. at least in movies. [22:15]
mircea_popescu movies are real [22:15]
Blitzboom occulta: that’s one [22:15]
[eval] but only if they're high rollers :/ [22:15]
mircea_popescu at least in movies. [22:15]
occulta http://img1.imagebanana.com/img/qp23f604/43161171.jpg [22:15]
mircea_popescu The requested URL /tats/potobtc.jp was not found on this server. [22:16]
mircea_popescu just sayin. [22:16]
mcorlett occulta: Fantastic. [22:16]
Cusipzzz occulta: paid to do that, has no clue what bitcoins are [22:16]
draco49 Those are skeezy vegas ho's [22:16]
Blitzboom Cusipzzz: indeed [22:16]
occulta haha [22:16]
occulta old image but i was reminded of it :) [22:16]
mircea_popescu that last one is a dood [22:16]
Cusipzzz lol [22:16]
occulta a t-shirt for your loving partner. http://rlv.zcache.com/bitcoin_t_shirt_real_ladies-p235715887033318321zxcx2_400.jpg [22:16]
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draco49 Is that tatoo of the BTC symbol on her FUPA? [22:17]
Blitzboom i think when we hit 5% female ratio in bitcoin [22:17]
Blitzboom we will be on the way to mainstream [22:17]
mircea_popescu Real Laidies do it with everything. [22:17]
Cusipzzz Blitzboom: i'd take .05% [22:17]
occulta +1 mircea_popescu [22:17]
mircea_popescu blitzboom maincream ? [22:17]
[eval] i think the good wife probably did a lot for adding females to the bitcoin community [22:18]
draco49 I don't even know how you'd go about explaining bitcoin to women. [22:18]
candlepin i dont believe that the key to taking down sabu was a single irc login where he wasn't using tor [22:18]
mircea_popescu they're round and shine ? :D [22:18]
Blitzboom [eval]: i believe it did nothing [22:18]
mircea_popescu candlepin : stranger things have occured... [22:18]
[eval] Blitzboom: don't burst my bubbles :( [22:18]
Blitzboom the 7.2 was caused by hype on it [22:18]
EvanR draco49: 'think of it like a real awesome credit card for the internet' [22:18]
mircea_popescu is bubbles your pet [eval] ? [22:18]
draco49 mircea_popescu, those are real coins you're thinking of [22:18]
Blitzboom everytime there is some event that could possibly bring in a few people, everyone hypes it up [22:19]
draco49 EvanR, hmm, that might work [22:19]
candlepin it seems more likely that he got ratted out by someone else or that the feds were using broader surveillance of ISPs - ie, thy can get a list of eveyrone who accessed tor from a national isp during the times sabu logged in and out of irc, and correlate it pretty easily [22:19]
Blitzboom and then they are disappointed [22:19]
mircea_popescu that might be it candlepin. [22:19]
occulta what is hacking conspiricy anyway? [22:19]
mircea_popescu actually i am kinda sorry i didn't make the prague event [22:19]
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occulta acy* [22:19]
draco49 And now they're telling the world that he's been working with them for months. So regardless of whether it's true or not, he's personally ruined. [22:19]
mircea_popescu hacking conspiracy is this made up thing that means anything a da wants it to mean and old folks have no ideea anyway [22:19]
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occulta quality lmao i thought as much [22:20]
mircea_popescu draco49 : in truth he should have never worked with them. ever. [22:20]
Blitzboom it’s too bad [22:20]
occulta they cant prove anything, so they charge them with this, which is pretty much nothing? [22:20]
mircea_popescu you either fight the system or you don't. [22:20]
Blitzboom lulzsec accepted bitcoin donations [22:20]
draco49 conspiracy is just 2 or more people planning to commit a crime. [22:20]
Blitzboom they are better than the EFF [22:20]
occulta how can they prove that draco49? [22:20]
occulta surely these guys have encrypted drives and such ? [22:20]
mircea_popescu by one saying so occulta [22:20]
EvanR when you fight the system you have to decide to use aggressive force or not [22:20]
draco49 conspiracy is one of the most difficult charges to prove [22:21]
EvanR and no fair calling every attack 'self defense' [22:21]
occulta one? surely thats not enough evidence, word against word [22:21]
mircea_popescu evanr : thy own prison not make. [22:21]
mircea_popescu actually it is. [22:21]
occulta thats BULLSHIT [22:21]
mircea_popescu tell it to the judge honey. [22:21]
draco49 "This is devastating to the organization." - Senior FBI Official [22:21]
occulta lets just arrest the whole world then [22:21]
draco49 famous last words... [22:21]
mircea_popescu i think 1/20th of the us is in prison alreaduy "? so uya, that's the plan. [22:22]
draco49 Yeah most of us are in prison here. [22:22]
candlepin irc is a honeypot [22:22]
occulta US is a real joke for sure [22:22]
draco49 I know someone in prison and he's got facebook access. [22:22]
mircea_popescu is it one of those low security prisons they keep hawt chicks in ? [22:23]
draco49 his profile pic is of him behind the glass partition talking to his frien [22:23]
draco49 and no mircea_popescu ... he just started a 40 year sentence [22:24]
mircea_popescu o [22:24]
occulta hang yourself. [22:24]
mircea_popescu Ordered: 08/03/2012 [22:25]
mircea_popescu Shipped: N/A [22:25]
mircea_popescu Qty:50 [22:25]
mircea_popescu wow. [22:25]
candlepin "A-Team claimed that Sabu was a Puerto Rican man named Hector Xavier Montsegur who was living in New York. The group said that this information matched archived whois data for prvt.org, a domain name believed to be owned by Sabu, that has since been anonymized." [22:25]
rg hrm [22:25]
phraust mircea_popescu, whats the link? [22:25]
rg pirateat40 went idle when i asked him for his opinion [22:25]
candlepin so a-team knew his identity before the feds [22:25]
rg :X [22:25]
rg i think i got my answer [22:25]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67887.20 phraust [22:26]
phraust danke :D [22:26]
candlepin so basically sabu was doxed by rival hackurs and thats how the feds got him [22:26]
rg no [22:26]
rg thats not true [22:26]
mircea_popescu The A-Team is an American action adventure television series about a fictional group of ex-United States Army Special Forces personnel who work as soldiers... [22:26]
rg if you read the full article, you see that the feds had all that info but cant use it [22:26]
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rasengan Interview with nanotube, founder of the Bitcoin-OTC - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3685768 :-) [22:27]
mircea_popescu o cool [22:27]
candlepin nonsense rg [22:27]
draco49 If you have a problem, and no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire..... [22:27]
draco49 the A-TEAM! [22:27]
rg they busted him from going on IRC [22:27]
rg without tor [22:27]
rg and subpoena'd his ISP [22:27]
rg for the info [22:27]
draco49 rg: now you know why I always use TOR [22:27]
rg IRC networks like freenode, etc [22:28]
mircea_popescu hahaha he answered pretty muich the same q's for my interview in romanian i did last autumn. [22:28]
rg they all have FBI sniffing servers [22:28]
rg since freenode allows anyone to donate a server without any documentation, etc [22:28]
candlepin nah that's bs. its a convenient explanation, but in reality rival hackers doxed sabu way before that [22:28]
candlepin http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/251411/lulzsec_leaders_digital_trail_led_rival_hackers_and_possibly_fbi_to_him.html [22:28]
rg candlepin: sabu's info wasnt private [22:28]
rg before anonymous [22:28]
candlepin his info was plastered by other groups, and that's how the fbi identified him [22:28]
rg ive known him on IRC for 7+ years [22:28]
draco49 I'm not convinced he was actually an informant helping the FBI [22:28]
rg before anonymous/lulzsec [22:28]
rg i am.. [22:28]
candlepin he was careless about his previous identity [22:28]
rg and im also convinced all the people who he narc'd on will go free [22:28]
rg cause theyre narcing on other people [22:29]
rg as we speak [22:29]
draco49 That public smearing is a common tactic to turn people against each other and alienate individuals. [22:29]
mircea_popescu so in the end the only one left in jail will be yiou ? [22:29]
rg draco49: no.. [22:29]
rg they had to do it [22:29]
rg you know how much guff the fbi/etc has been catching for letting these guys go free? [22:29]
rg so this is sort of their 'fuck you, dont doubt us' [22:29]
draco49 This certainly isn't going to bode well for them... [22:29]
rg the feds are in a lot of trouble [22:30]
Blitzboom the bitcoin market is so efficient it’s been ranging 10 cents for the last 24h [22:30]
rg they knowingly let stratfor get owned.. [22:30]
draco49 I hope they've ramped things up for a new wave of attacks. [22:30]
rg stratfor might have a lawsuit against them [22:30]
rg and the other companies too [22:30]
candlepin they probably helped anon hack into stratfor [22:30]
rg cost them SO much money by allowing those hacks [22:30]
mircea_popescu blitzboom : eficient my shoelace. [22:30]
rg no, but they gave them a server [22:30]
draco49 It reminds me of operation fast and furious [22:30]
rg the server sfor was hacked into was setup by Sabu/FBI [22:30]
Blitzboom mircea_popescu: problem? ^_^ [22:30]
candlepin the feds probably identified a lot of the exploits, and then passed them to the anon inner circle on irc, to entrap them [22:31]
rg why would they risk entrapping them [22:31]
rg on such a huge case? [22:31]
mircea_popescu blitzboom lol. tell you what : i had shortsell open for a week now. guess how many people went midmarket ? [22:31]
rg i cant believe we're talking aout this [22:31]
candlepin thats their mo. nearly every high profile case has been a sting operation [22:31]
rg anonymous are a bunch of script kiddies with windoze tools scanning for SQL injections [22:31]
mircea_popescu i can't believe either. [22:31]
rg they didnt do anything anyone couldnt do [22:31]
rg with google [22:31]
Blitzboom "went midmarket" [22:31]
candlepin they prefer to control every aspect of the operation, so feeding anon a particular target is right up their alley [22:31]
Blitzboom what does that mean? [22:31]
draco49 don't forget LOIC ;) [22:31]
rg LOIC is also one of the *lamest* DoS tools ive ever seen [22:31]
mircea_popescu blitzboom : if i quote 1.5 2.1 and you go 1.7 then you're midmarket. [22:32]
mircea_popescu rg : it works. sort of. [22:32]
rg lulzsec/anonymous ruined things for so many hackers [22:32]
rg cause they wanted to be famous [22:32]
rg obviously those boxes were owned before they got to them [22:32]
draco49 but but but... I got it from the secret interwebs [22:32]
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rg and the hackers had a purpose for them [22:32]
Blitzboom but how does that relate to a short position of yours? [22:32]
rg but no, we gotta be famous on teh internet [22:32]
rg so they waste the hacks with stupid defacements [22:32]
mircea_popescu blitzboom : not of mine. ideea is people could short and go into the midmarket but they don't. [22:32]
rg defacing a website is anti-hacker, its the opposite of what a real hacker would do [22:33]
Blitzboom oh ok [22:33]
draco49 look, don't touch! [22:33]
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mircea_popescu ahh, imo -otc owns bitcointalk. [22:33]
Blitzboom we really have too few market makers [22:33]
rg yeah [22:33]
rg bitcointalk sucks [22:33]
* phraust nods. [22:33]
mircea_popescu cause it;'s so efficient we only need 1 blitzboom :D [22:33]
rg user1 posts something [22:34]
rg users2+3+4 post flames [22:34]
mircea_popescu Except mircea_popescu is an asshole. [22:34]
mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/6XNqhb43 [22:34]
rg user1 tries to fix it and get back on topic [22:34]
mircea_popescu omfg! ppl hate me on the interwebz now! [22:34]
rg user5+6+7 flame user 2,3,4 [22:34]
occulta lol [22:34]
occulta hackers that want to be famous are just kids [22:34]
occulta they will learn [22:34]
rg that stratfor db was a perfect spam opportunity [22:34]
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rg someone lost their data source [22:34]
rg i bet they were pissed [22:34]
mircea_popescu spam is dumb. [22:35]
occulta i cracked 70% of those hashes from stratfor :) [22:35]
draco49 It's pointless [22:35]
rg no shit [22:35]
rg what a waste of time [22:35]
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rg mircea_popescu: so is the snuggie [22:35]
rg doesnt mean its not a multi million dollar business [22:35]
mircea_popescu meh. it was, sure. [22:35]
mircea_popescu nowadays... meh. [22:35]
draco49 I just ordered Chia Obama [22:35]
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psymin is there a name for the scam that involves one person pretendign to be two people and deceiving two other people? I'm having a difficult time describing it. We've seen it in here a few times. [22:36]
mircea_popescu sockpuppetry ? [22:36]
rg hehe [22:36]
rg man in the middle [22:36]
pigeons man-in-the-sock [22:36]
candlepin sock in the hay [22:36]
mircea_popescu sock up to be a man [22:36]
smickles banking [22:37]
occulta haha [22:37]
mircea_popescu lol smickles wins [22:37]
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smickles :) [22:37]
psymin hehe [22:37]
rg psymin: two users decide to trade, user 1 sells 10 BTC for $50, user 2 has someone who wants to buy $50 of btc [22:37]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsnZxfkkoKQ [22:37]
psymin the scammer would convince person B to send money to person C instead of himself, then person B would get paid and person B would send goods to the sock puppet man? [22:37]
phraust let's use alice and bob! [22:38]
rg user3 sends his money to user1 [22:38]
rg user1 ssends btc to user2 [22:38]
smickles ;;t [22:38]
gribble turkey in the straw (first version 1942) - YouTube [22:38]
mircea_popescu fake escrow ? [22:38]
rg user3 chargebacks user1 [22:38]
rg so instead of one person getting ripped off [22:38]
rg two people do [22:38]
EvanR draco49: when someone says obama i feel like this is lord of rings and i can see the eye of sauron/narus turn toward this channel [22:38]
mircea_popescu +1. [22:38]
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rg EvanR: you're obama? [22:39]
mircea_popescu also, obama's gramma wore army boots. [22:39]
draco49 LMAO [22:39]
candlepin complaint about sabu's apt: "the neighbors in Apt 6F have been making excessive noise during the evening between the hours of 7 Pm until about 4 AM. They engaged in wrestling on the floor, pounding,rapping and screaming to loud music. not to mention chasing a pitbull around the apartment." [22:39]
rg everyone go to: http://template.bitvps.com/wordpress/?page_id=6 [22:39]
rg and give me CONSTRUCTIVE [22:39]
rg criticism [22:39]
draco49 I liked the other theme... colors and such [22:40]
Cusipzzz rg: it sucks [22:40]
mircea_popescu rg your site sucks. [22:40]
rg it still does it [22:40]
rg just highlight it [22:40]
Cusipzzz lol [22:40]
draco49 but that's my preference [22:40]
rg and i disabled the CSS arrow animation [22:40]
mircea_popescu aw crap again he beats me [22:40]
phraust padding at top and bottom of table too much, padding below Common Questions and ansers too little. [22:40]
rg phraust: no dont pay attention to that [22:40]
* phraust is on chrome. [22:40]
rg its not finished [22:40]
rg thats why its not padded [22:40]
phraust oh, otherwise, pretty. [22:40]
mircea_popescu needs more sex colors. [22:41]
mircea_popescu sex colors sell. [22:41]
EvanR blue and gray? [22:41]
candlepin you have outdone yourself rg [22:41]
candlepin that is awesome [22:41]
mircea_popescu evanr : gray tuna and blue balls are antisex colors. [22:41]
phraust I wouldn't use the bar for the header, maybe an image with softer colors/text. [22:41]
draco49 black and hot-pink [22:41]
rg EvanR: yes [22:41]
rg those are my favorite colors [22:41]
EvanR thats the only colors i can see during sex [22:41]
rg and the CSS table turns blue [22:42]
rg when you hover over a plan [22:42]
phraust oh yeah... [22:42]
rg i need to clean up the black footer [22:42]
rg its so ugly [22:42]
mircea_popescu i dont like that the urkl ends in a 6 [22:42]
mircea_popescu it's an unlucky number for me. [22:42]
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rg mircea_popescu: its a staging environment [22:42]
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candlepin http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/pizza-sweaters [22:43]
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mircea_popescu but srsly : on my browser the top bar doesn't allign with the right end bar [22:43]
phraust Maybe KVM Based in blue (Mission Critical) in gray, with some nice letterpress text-shadow css in there? [22:43]
rg im not set on those menu names [22:43]
rg the menus will most liekly get re-arranged once i get more data on there [22:43]
phraust change the logo colors to match the blue/gray scheme.? [22:43]
occulta rg ill stick with linode LMAO [22:44]
phraust haha [22:44]
occulta who was the guy here a few days ago telling me not to mention linode because its 'too sensitive' lol [22:44]
draco49 sensitive? [22:45]
occulta with recent events and all that [22:45]
mircea_popescu rg : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/133132591762.png in red all the fail. [22:45]
rg its not sensitive [22:45]
rg its just fucking annoying [22:45]
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occulta i have 0 sympathy [22:45]
rg you think i should change the VPS in the logo [22:45]
rg to the blue [22:46]
rg i use in the middle header? [22:46]
occulta if you own an exchange, dont fucking store an offline or hotwallet on a VPS, fucking morons [22:46]
rg i can change the background on the menu to that color too [22:46]
rg occulta: thanks captain hindsight [22:46]
EvanR lol [22:46]
mircea_popescu srsly rg! i am giving feedback here! [22:46]
rg we'll be sure to send your solutions to 2 weeks ago [22:46]
occulta rg, he has made so much, he couldnt afford a dedi and a good sysadmin? [22:46]
occulta cmon [22:46]
mircea_popescu he thought dedi has more risk. [22:46]
rg occulta: sys admin had nothing to do with it [22:46]
rg the boxes were secure, remotely [22:47]
occulta whatever, noobs mistake, he regrets it i am sure [22:47]
rg obviously they didnt know the admin console was going to get owned [22:47]
rg and if you run a service tht trades ove 500,000 btc [22:47]
rg how exactly do you expect to handle withdrawels [22:47]
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rg if you dont have a wallet with the BC [22:47]
rg to send? [22:47]
occulta why choose a VPS for that? [22:47]
rg why not? [22:48]
occulta choose a dedi with no console layer [22:48]
candlepin only secure way is to have a device in your physical control sign the transactions, after auditing the apps internatl state to make sure the tx is legit [22:48]
draco49 occulta, my thoughts exactly [22:48]
rg dedi is just as vuln.. they'd just attack the IPMI [22:48]
Cusipzzz offline wallet --> smoke signals --> starbucks wifi --> secure usb key [22:48]
Cusipzzz granted, people would have to wait, lol [22:48]
mircea_popescu lmao cusipzzz you just gave away my proprietary security. [22:48]
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occulta well, lets see if he uses a VPS from now on then :) [22:48]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: sorry :/ [22:48]
occulta then we will know [22:48]
candlepin tx's should be batched up, then a device under your control signs them. and of course it does an integrity check to make sure the tx's originated from legitimate customer activity, so it checks all the references in the db [22:49]
mircea_popescu he does atm. [22:49]
EvanR Cusipzzz: please encode the secret key within the timing of the march madness game [22:49]
EvanR thx [22:49]
occulta lol mircea_popescu ive had no time to poke about out of interest [22:49]
mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [22:49]
Bosma BitVPS recommended? [22:50]
draco49 yes [22:50]
occulta maybe i crossed convosations there :P [22:50]
Cusipzzz EvanR: next week [22:50]
EvanR should give you enough time [22:50]
EvanR remember the error correcting codes this time [22:50]
mircea_popescu o, and : somebody buy options! [22:51]
mircea_popescu or sell! [22:51]
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EvanR id like the option to buy bitcoins at 25 cents, right now [22:51]
mircea_popescu lol [22:51]
mircea_popescu how about $1 ? [22:52]
smickles [root@mostofmany smickles]# useradd git [22:52]
smickles bash: useradd: command not found [22:52]
smickles [root@mostofmany smickles]# [22:52]
EvanR overvalued [22:52]
smickles er [22:52]
smickles oops [22:52]
candlepin bitvps is the best [22:52]
EvanR gqview ~/.porn/ [22:52]
EvanR oops [22:52]
draco49 smickles, you have to type in your passwd [22:52]
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candlepin bitvps has never been down [22:52]
mircea_popescu my server has never been down. [22:52]
mircea_popescu since 2008. [22:52]
Cusipzzz my wife hasn't been down since...err, nevermind [22:53]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:53]
draco49 you haven't rebooted in 4 years? [22:53]
vragnaroda candlepin: (a) Get off his cawk. (b) Yes, it has. People were complaining about it ad nauseam. [22:53]
occulta i would say the same Cusipzzz, but for me she is great :) [22:53]
mircea_popescu i rebooted the physical machines but the server was always up. [22:53]
Bosma Think I'll give them a try, then. Want to get off shared hosting and manage my own system. [22:53]
mircea_popescu o looky who's up. how goes vragnaroda ? [22:54]
vragnaroda vragnaroda goes well. [22:54]
mircea_popescu haha cool. [22:54]
rg bitvps has never been down [22:55]
rg not true [22:55]
rg Chicago had massive uptime issues [22:55]
rg but we're up to 100% uptime now [22:55]
rg (finally) [22:55]
candlepin never been down for me [22:55]
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candlepin i monitor it with pingdom [22:56]
rg candlepin: you might not be in chicago [22:56]
rg the other DC's are awesome [22:56]
smickles draco49: type in my passwd? [22:57]
candlepin i think i was in chicago [22:57]
mircea_popescu lmao this i never saw before [22:57]
mircea_popescu user arguing with admin about howw the server wasn't donw. [22:57]
mircea_popescu are we in the year 2102 ? [22:57]
rg 216.231.139.1_ping ping Default 100% [22:57]
rg secondary.btcvps.net_ping ping Default 99.66% [22:58]
rg secondary.btcvps.net_ping ping Default 99.69% [22:58]
rg if i wasnt such a cheap fuck and paid for a proper account id have much better stats [22:58]
neonindian Anybody interested in selling 4BTC via PayPal? PM me if interested. Thanks!!! [23:01]
EvanR how do you 'get to' 100% uptime [23:03]
EvanR erase history? [23:03]
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candlepin are you counting the 13 billion years before humans evolved [23:05]
EvanR you mean 10 thousand? [23:06]
copumpkin pfft [23:06]
copumpkin there was nothing before humans [23:06]
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EvanR the universe was created in its current state last thursday, everything you remember is a lie [23:06]
occulta ;;remove 7024 [23:07]
gribble Order 7024 removed. [23:07]
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candlepin the universe is a simulation thats paused for 10 trillion years after each nanosecond elapses [23:07]
occulta if anybody wants to buy on amazon > http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?sortby=price&sortorder=ASC&type=&nick=&thing=&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes=amazon [23:07]
EvanR its an uncomputable function running on a hypercomputer! [23:08]
vragnaroda candlepin, EvanR: you mean *six* thousand? [23:08]
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EvanR vragnaroda: both totally wrong, since were talking about time 'before man' which was like 7 days or something [23:08]
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rg note to self [23:10]
rg backup CSS files [23:10]
EvanR doesnt the cloud do that for you [23:10]
EvanR ☁ [23:11]
candlepin cloud=thing that pwns your bitcoins [23:11]
mcorlett EvanR: Trippy! [23:11]
mcorlett Cloud = Linode [23:11]
smickles grr [23:12]
EvanR funny cloud just caught on [23:12]
EvanR its been on diagrams since time began [23:12]
EvanR on jan 1 1970 [23:12]
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rg there should be a banword on 'cloud' [23:13]
EvanR what if were talking about highlander [23:13]
copumpkin it's cloudy today [23:14]
copumpkin this massive cloud is hanging over the house [23:14]
copumpkin feels kind of ominous [23:14]
smickles jebus [23:14]
copumpkin also, cloud computing is the future [23:14]
EvanR watch out for massive neutrinos [23:14]
vragnaroda rg: OK, fine. [23:14]
smickles this help desk person is not helpful [23:14]
copumpkin I store all my sensitive data on the cloud [23:14]
vragnaroda Let's all talk services in the nebula, instead. [23:14]
copumpkin gotta be cloud- and grid-enabled [23:14]
vragnaroda Let's make a new buzzword. [23:14]
* EvanR presses the generate button [23:15]
copumpkin I say we use "bubble" [23:15]
copumpkin I store all my data in the bubble [23:15]
smickles him:"run that as root" me:"i did run it as root and it didn't work" him:"well, i logged into your server as root and it worked for me" [23:16]
EvanR vragnaroda: stream [23:16]
copumpkin drizzle? [23:16]
copumpkin bukkake [23:16]
vragnaroda copumpkin: Watch it. [23:16]
vragnaroda It's not post-watershed yet. [23:16]
mcorlett copumpkin: We speak in code here. [23:17]
copumpkin bukkake just means drizzle/splash [23:17]
copumpkin no sexual connotations [23:17]
rg smickles: wow thats awful support [23:17]
smickles no sexual denotations, you mean, surely [23:17]
vragnaroda copumpkin: In English, no. [23:17]
rg should've used bitvps (tm) [23:17]
copumpkin vragnaroda: english sucks [23:18]
smickles rg: i'm considering it [23:18]
EvanR everything is sexual in english [23:18]
vragnaroda copumpkin: NO U [23:18]
rg smickles: buy a dedicated server [23:18]
rg one of the new ones [23:18]
* copumpkin markacs EvanR [23:18]
EvanR hot [23:18]
smickles rg: that's a bit more than I need [23:18]
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smickles rg: If I end up ditching these guys, I'll come straight to you [23:19]
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rg that's what they all say [23:20]
rg ill believe you when we close the sale [23:20]
rg 'ill order tomorrow' [23:20]
rg 'sure, ill do it in a little while' [23:20]
rg which translates to never talk to you again [23:20]
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mircea_popescu bukkake << omfg. [23:22]
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mircea_popescu that made me feel so uncomfortable. [23:22]
copumpkin :) [23:22]
mircea_popescu anyway, i thought it was the name of some noodle [23:23]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I think you may be right. You should do a Google image search and report back the results. [23:23]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: With the right imagination... [23:23]
copumpkin you can get soba in that style [23:24]
mircea_popescu the internets are mean to me :( [23:24]
Coolty Selling Nook Tablet, 16gb storage, 1gb ram, dual core processor, 7 inch screen. Asking $199 in bitcoins, pm if interested [23:24]
copumpkin I don't think it's its own kind of noodle though [23:24]
mircea_popescu wait. you can ask for like, do my pasta bukkake style ?! [23:24]
mircea_popescu wtf. [23:24]
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copumpkin when I did my homestay in japan, a friend of mine who was also doing it was cooking with his host mom, and she explained that he just needed to do that with the sauce [23:25]
copumpkin and he couldn't stop giggling [23:25]
mircea_popescu host mom ?! [23:25]
copumpkin and she realized that the meaning was slightly different in the US [23:25]
mircea_popescu is this SPECIES ? [23:26]
copumpkin yeah, we got to live with japanese families [23:26]
copumpkin lol [23:26]
mircea_popescu :p [23:26]
mircea_popescu are you really a pineaple ? [23:26]
copumpkin yup [23:26]
copumpkin my twitter account confirms [23:26]
Staatsfeind A what? [23:26]
copumpkin it's actually a pwnapple [23:26]
mircea_popescu i wouldnt be surprised if some bukkake restaurant opened, order whatever you want, waiter brings it to your table and dribbles it on your face, stuffs some down your shirt [23:27]
copumpkin but I feel retarded spelling it that way [23:27]
mircea_popescu i guess why that'd be. [23:27]
mircea_popescu i could* [23:27]
phraust i think they already have those kinds of places. [23:28]
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mircea_popescu im missing out. [23:29]
* phraust puts on goggles. [23:29]
draco49 wtf, I leave for 10min and I come back to a bukkake-fest? [23:30]
mircea_popescu you missed out. [23:30]
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draco49 I've learned that, sometimes, that's ok. [23:30]
Staatsfeind It's been going on for too long. [23:31]
mircea_popescu what's +i again ? [23:31]
rg invite only [23:32]
rg someone do this css for me [23:32]
Staatsfeind As a channel mode, +i is invite-only. [23:32]
mircea_popescu a a ty [23:32]
rg or +i is immunable [23:32]
rg er [23:32]
mircea_popescu immutable ? [23:32]
rg immutable [23:32]
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rg "Make me a fucking martini!" [23:36]
Staatsfeind /kick rg language [23:37]
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rg its a movie quote [23:38]
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helo /kick rg movie quote [23:41]
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MBS ok sweet, lowes $20 and beauty.com/drugstore.com $10 gcs came in [23:43]
MBS btchero2, was that you that said you wanted the lowes gc? [23:43]
EvanR mbs come party with me in new orleans sometime! [23:43]
Cusipzzz no cvs? i am disappoint. [23:43]
EvanR theres at least one strip club which takes bitcoins [23:44]
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candlepin is today friday [23:45]
EvanR ya [23:45]
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candlepin rebecaa black time [23:46]
EvanR lol [23:46]
* EvanR checks itunes [23:46]
rg o jabe sp,e rea;;y [23:46]
EvanR nope i only have selena gomez [23:46]
rg ugh [23:46]
rg i have these really old boston T schedules [23:46]
EvanR its all the same [23:46]
rg no, from 1912 [23:47]
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rg and i have some from 1968 [23:47]
candlepin the infamous torqouise line where they massacred all those bahamians [23:48]
rg i might go across the st to the antiques store [23:48]
rg and see if they know anything abotu it [23:48]
candlepin those would be worth $50k at auction [23:49]
candlepin "ill give you $50 for em" [23:49]
candlepin pawnlord [23:49]
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rg a 1912 reprint from 1972 is $35 on ebay [23:49]
rg this is an original, from 1912 [23:50]
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EvanR hahaha [23:50]
candlepin "my buddy is an expert in turn of the century bus schedules. let me give him a call" [23:51]
rg candlepin.. no [23:51]
rg these are historical items [23:51]
draco49 http://youtu.be/N7TzPEYci_w [23:51]
rg i inherited them [23:51]
rg from my father when he croaked [23:51]
rg he kept them for a reason [23:51]
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rg yeah fuckit ill head over [23:52]
rg maybe he knows something [23:52]
candlepin its 100 years old [23:52]
candlepin good time to auction it [23:52]
rg if its worth money [23:52]
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rg back to leaky basement it goes! [23:52]
candlepin and it might've been owned by hitler [23:53]
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candlepin you never know [23:53]
Staatsfeind Fucking hell. [23:53]
EvanR saddambitcoin is probably the best nick ive seen in a while [23:53]
rg i doubt hitler spent much time on the MBA [23:53]
rg MBTA [23:53]
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candlepin rg: how do you think he got so rage-filled [23:53]
candlepin waiting for the green line [23:54]
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candlepin a raincoat owned by hitler [23:57]
candlepin is probably worth a lot [23:57]
nathan7 what where [23:59]
EvanR i have hitlers luger and cyanide pill over here [23:59]
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EvanR probably not worth much [23:59]
* EvanR thrash [23:59]
EvanR trash* [23:59]
nathan7 I'd love to own Hitler's raincoat. it'd be my little victory over him. [23:59]
nathan7 being of Jewish descent [23:59]
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