Forum logs for 10 Mar 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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EvanR thats racist [00:00]
Staatsfeind EvanR: Problem? [00:02]
SO_STUPID any1 selling coins? [00:02]
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EvanR i forgot you like movies like ingourious basterds [00:05]
EvanR +l [00:05]
phraust i had a landlord that collect ss/nazi stuff. [00:06]
phraust had some crazy shit. [00:06]
EvanR arbitrary retaliation is bad mmkay [00:06]
EvanR retribution [00:06]
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candlepin landfuhrer [00:06]
EvanR saw a bunch of nazi stuff at the gun show on sunday [00:07]
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candlepin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Public_Safety [00:08]
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Brusker does anyone give BTC for okpay? [00:08]
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nathan7 EvanR: so? [00:08]
Staatsfeind EvanR: Valuing something for entertainment does not mean one thinks it be moral behavior. [00:08]
nathan7 EvanR: My granddad had to hide for the bastard [00:09]
nathan7 he's lost family [00:09]
EvanR and my great great great great... whoever got fucked by ceasar [00:09]
Staatsfeind nathan7: Um, OK. [00:09]
nathan7 just for the irony I'd totally want to own Hitler's raincoat [00:10]
* Staatsfeind doesn't get what that has to do with nathan7's sense of feeling personally wronged. [00:10]
nathan7 No, nothing at all. [00:11]
nathan7 But I like feeling victorious over mr Hitler [00:11]
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nathan7 mkay? [00:11]
Staatsfeind Were you even alive at the same time? [00:11]
Someguy123 anyone here able to buy me a minecraft giftcode for 4BTC? [00:11]
Staatsfeind How can you be victorious? [00:11]
rg ok [00:11]
nathan7 Over his memory, mkay? =p [00:11]
rg antiques dealer says theyre legit [00:11]
rg non re-prints [00:11]
rg i asked him how he knew [00:11]
rg he pointed to an ad of a company thats not existed for 100 years [00:12]
rg also [00:12]
EvanR the greatest victory is forgiveness! [00:12]
candlepin how much is it worth bro [00:12]
rg theyre stapled together and the staples are rusty [00:12]
rg candlepin: i dont know [00:12]
nathan7 There's no grave of his, so I can't piss over that (; [00:12]
candlepin $75,000 [00:12]
rg i doubt that [00:12]
rg theres several items [00:12]
Staatsfeind You know President Tyler has two living grandsons? [00:12]
EvanR nathan7: he was buried for a while outside the fuhrerbunker or whatever its called [00:12]
EvanR piss there [00:12]
Staatsfeind Do you think they have arbitrary resentment against people that wronged him? [00:13]
rg its funny [00:13]
rg the guy was like well [00:13]
rg we have someone who comes in and does all our eBay [00:13]
rg she has a super account where she can see completed auctions [00:13]
rg you can only see completed auctions if youre a top seller [00:13]
nathan7 EvanR: Yay. [00:13]
rg i didnt have the heart to break it to him that anyone can see completed auctions [00:13]
rg if they sign up [00:13]
Someguy123 so... anyone want to buy me a minecraft gift code for 4BTC? [00:13]
candlepin she has super powers - she can post auctions in bold font [00:14]
nathan7 Plus, what isn't cool about having Hitler's raincoat anyway? [00:14]
EvanR will it even still work [00:14]
Staatsfeind EvanR: Depends on what it's made from, I suppose. Probably not if made from Jewskin. [00:15]
x0Jakeyboy0x im trying to do the authetication thing. can i use a 8 bit code or do i need a 16? beacuse i cant find my 16 [00:15]
EvanR lol [00:15]
Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: Are you using some GUI front-end? [00:15]
Staatsfeind If not, at the terminal, do "gpg --keyid-format long --list-keys" [00:16]
x0Jakeyboy0x i am [00:16]
x0Jakeyboy0x using a frontend [00:16]
Staatsfeind I don't do that GUI shit. ☹ [00:16]
x0Jakeyboy0x =P darn [00:16]
x0Jakeyboy0x i have a key id thats 8 digits and a fingerprint [00:16]
x0Jakeyboy0x and my username [00:16]
Staatsfeind (Yes, I type *actual* smileys in a terminal window.) [00:16]
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x0Jakeyboy0x where do the other 8 digits come from? [00:17]
phraust where indeed. [00:17]
EvanR existential crisis [00:17]
phraust what os are you using, and what front-end? [00:17]
x0Jakeyboy0x windows, gnu privacy assistant [00:18]
x0Jakeyboy0x gnupg [00:18]
Staatsfeind If you know where it's installed at least, drop to the command line and do what I said above. [00:18]
phraust you could just open up a terminal and use that. [00:18]
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Staatsfeind It has to be in your path, though, and I'm not sure where it installs on Windows. [00:18]
helo x0Jakeyboy0x: the first 8 characters of the key is where :) [00:18]
Someguy123 so... anyone want to buy me minecraft for 4BTC? [00:18]
phraust windows key + r > cmd [00:18]
Cusipzzz mtgox x282 3,057.0000 @ 4.8484824 USD O.o [00:18]
phraust I'm using the same thing on my windows 7 pc. [00:18]
Cusipzzz EvanR: tanking [00:18]
* copumpkin farts [00:19]
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Someguy123 phraust I just use my mIRC's auto ident script [00:19]
Someguy123 for bitcoin-otc [00:19]
Someguy123 lol [00:19]
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Someguy123 automatically grabs the OTP, and decrypts it using my key [00:19]
Someguy123 without having to ask me for a password or anything [00:19]
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x0Jakeyboy0x anyone know how to cd to a dirrect with a space in the name./ [00:19]
phraust I used to have one setup for colloquy when I was using a mac, but I'm too lazy to make a new one. [00:19]
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x0Jakeyboy0x directory** [00:20]
Someguy123 x0Jakeyboy0x use [00:20]
Someguy123 like /derp/herpy derpy/ [00:20]
phraust or wrap it in quotes [00:20]
phraust cd "Program Files" [00:20]
Someguy123 oh, on windows you "" it [00:20]
Staatsfeind Heh, I just do "curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B594FD658613B519 | gpg -d | xclip -i -selection clipboard" [00:20]
phraust I just use tab to cmoplete it. [00:20]
rg i cant find a 1912 [00:20]
rg hrm [00:20]
Staatsfeind On my Mac, I do pbcopy instead of xclip. [00:20]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank ya [00:20]
phraust cd prog*tab* [00:20]
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rg ;;seen theymos [00:21]
gribble theymos was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 2 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: No, I'm not sure. They weren't spent, at least. [00:21]
helo !letmein [00:21]
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phraust oh, hey, i guess I use gpg4win now. [00:21]
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helo neet [00:22]
x0Jakeyboy0x alirght, i have a list now, but i have two for some reason [00:22]
x0Jakeyboy0x pub and sub? [00:22]
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Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: pub [00:22]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank you [00:22]
x0Jakeyboy0x what is sub though? [00:22]
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Staatsfeind It can have multiple subkeys associated with it. [00:23]
Y0nderboy HEya [00:23]
rg these things are so old [00:23]
rg its awesome [00:23]
rg it predates credit cards, so to 'book in advance' you have to WU the money to the train comapny [00:23]
Y0nderboy Does anyone have a website they would like security audited for free. [00:23]
helo whoever used them is like, totally dead [00:23]
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x0Jakeyboy0x i see [00:23]
Y0nderboy Heya rg. [00:23]
rg sup y0ndie [00:24]
Y0nderboy Hows it oing\; [00:24]
Y0nderboy Err, How's it going?* [00:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x so now i do "gpg" in here or ";;gpg" [00:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x ?* [00:24]
rg x0Jakeyboy0x: just message the bot [00:24]
rg /msg gribble gpg whatever commands [00:24]
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x0Jakeyboy0x thank you [00:26]
netxshare ;;guide [00:26]
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Brusker is there anyway now days to get bitcoin with credit card or debit card? [00:30]
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occulta patron ftw [00:31]
Staatsfeind Brusker: Buy stuff with it and sell that stuff for bitcoins. [00:31]
occulta what a nightmare [00:32]
Brusker that would be a nightmare yes [00:32]
occulta Brusker: if you have a debit card, just use your bank account. [00:32]
Brusker well im going off my credit limit [00:32]
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Brusker my bank account has like 5 bucks in it [00:32]
Brusker lol [00:32]
kakobrekla 1btc then [00:32]
occulta and your debit card? [00:33]
occulta im lost [00:33]
Brusker if i debit its only $5, credit can goto $500 [00:33]
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occulta ah, you wanna buy btc from your overdraft lol [00:33]
Someguy123 anyone here want to buy me minecraft for 4BTC? [00:33]
Brusker no it goes to my credit side [00:33]
Brusker i can pay off in payments [00:33]
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Staatsfeind Brusker: Don't go into debt to buy bitcoins. That doesn't end well. [00:33]
mircea_popescu you want to take out a loan to buy btc ? [00:34]
mircea_popescu that's unwise. [00:34]
Brusker hey to each his own [00:34]
mircea_popescu curses, foiled again. [00:34]
Brusker i just need to figure something out [00:34]
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Staatsfeind Don't say we didn't warn you. [00:35]
occulta anyone else like patron ? [00:35]
candlepin https://metrics.torproject.org/network.html [00:35]
draco49 Tequila is the devil. [00:35]
candlepin you would only need a few honeypots to be able to correlate tor activity with the login times of a suspect [00:35]
occulta draco49: this stuff is top [00:36]
EvanR Brusker: lol you want to buy btc with credit, thats worse than buying btc with paypal [00:36]
Brusker :( [00:36]
occulta anejo patron, handmade bottles, so smooth [00:36]
EvanR people want hard money for hard money [00:36]
Brusker i wanna find a site i can fund with credit card [00:36]
Brusker then buy btc with that [00:36]
mircea_popescu anyone seen Private Hell 36 ? old ida lupino movie. [00:36]
occulta ;;ident Brusker [00:36]
Brusker so the person i get it from is secured [00:36]
EvanR try btcinstant [00:36]
gribble Nick 'Brusker', with hostmask 'Brusker!ohya@unaffiliated/brusker', is not identified. [00:36]
EvanR also try virwox [00:37]
occulta Brusker: sounds like you want to card some poor exchange, good luck on your quest [00:37]
candlepin any primordial dwarves around [00:37]
Brusker card? [00:37]
occulta yes [00:38]
occulta if not. dont buy what you cannot afford, thats my input [00:38]
EvanR using cc doesnt mean you cant afford it [00:39]
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occulta wait till the next month [00:39]
EvanR but he did say 'going off my credit limit' lol [00:39]
Someguy123 anyone here want to buy me minecraft for 4BTC? [00:39]
occulta EvanR: it does, when he only has $5 [00:39]
occulta credit, means you cannot afford it at this time [00:39]
EvanR waiting until next month isnt always better [00:39]
occulta .. [00:39]
occulta seriously? [00:39]
EvanR sometimes you need it NOW [00:39]
occulta tuff shit? [00:39]
mircea_popescu you need btc now ? [00:39]
mircea_popescu what do you do, snort it ? [00:39]
EvanR and its worth the interest [00:39]
occulta +1 [00:39]
EvanR mircea_popescu: perhaps [00:39]
occulta its BS, lol [00:40]
EvanR bitcoin dust is addictive [00:40]
mircea_popescu srsly, fake ach are a pain in the butt [00:40]
draco49 occulta, I become a bad person on Tequila. [00:40]
mircea_popescu fake cards are a pain in the but 2 degrees of magnitude larger. [00:40]
EvanR occulta: i think too many money hippies these days suggest waiting for the sake of the virtue of waiting [00:40]
CaptainDDL With the way BTC flunctuates, I'd be afraid to invest any money I can't afford to lose. [00:40]
EvanR THAT is BS [00:40]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone will ever process cc for btc. like, ever. [00:40]
EvanR not if theyre smart [00:40]
EvanR fraud, fees, bullshit [00:41]
occulta EvanR: at the end of the day, if you want to buy from BTC, and you cannot afford it, ie you need to buy from credit, thats just tuff shit isnt it [00:41]
EvanR occulta: unless you use one of the several sites that have existeed that accept it [00:41]
draco49 as long as the chargeback issue is still present, cc and btc aren't very compatible [00:41]
draco49 imo [00:41]
EvanR occulta: you can also buy someone a pizza, etc [00:42]
occulta they are not, its a fact [00:42]
occulta too many carders out there [00:42]
occulta few strings and you are away.. [00:42]
EvanR thats the problem, not the fact that hes broke [00:43]
mircea_popescu it's what i've been saying... [00:43]
Brusker neato [00:43]
draco49 I see that there are some bitcoin debit cards coming out that you load with BTC and use like a regular debit card. [00:43]
EvanR Brusker: buy someone a pizza, they send you btc [00:43]
occulta Brusker: i suggest waiting for your next income payment :) [00:44]
Brusker lol [00:44]
Brusker i would but this deal i got is so killer [00:44]
occulta draco49: who from? [00:44]
EvanR or you could be a hippy and wait, wait, wait for what you want [00:44]
Brusker :( guess i just am gonna loose out [00:44]
Brusker jwhat can ya do : [00:44]
Sudden_ i guess i could read up on this, but im too lazy.. if i purchase bitcoins for dollars somewhere, there [00:44]
occulta Brusker: explain [00:44]
draco49 occulta, umm lemme see if I can find one of them... [00:44]
Sudden_ there's no way to trace it to me right? when i use those bitcoins later [00:44]
Brusker found something i want that was 90btc and now its 75 [00:44]
EvanR Sudden_: there is [00:44]
EvanR if you do it wrong [00:44]
Someguy123 anyone here want to buy me minecraft for 4BTC? [00:44]
occulta Sudden_: false [00:44]
Sudden_ okey [00:45]
EvanR Someguy123: Brusker does [00:45]
occulta dont be lazy :) [00:45]
CaptainDDL I had a friend ask to borrow my debit card a while back to pay his phone bill (trakphone), with him giving me cash in exchange. I asked him if he needed my address or anything, nope...he logged into the website in front of me, he used all of his information, all he needed was the card number, not a CCN. Weirded me out a bit. [00:45]
Someguy123 Brusker ? [00:45]
EvanR yeah [00:45]
Someguy123 ;;getrating Brusker [00:45]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated. [00:45]
Someguy123 derp.. [00:45]
Brusker no i dont sorry [00:45]
EvanR Someguy123: hes trying to buy with cc, if he screws over minecraft, no problem for you ;) [00:45]
draco49 CaptainDDL, yeah not all merchants go through the whole id verification thing... [00:45]
Someguy123 EvanR yeah there is, I lose my premium =_= [00:46]
Someguy123 minecraft cares about reversals [00:46]
Someguy123 derp [00:46]
EvanR meh [00:46]
EvanR i guess you cant reverse pizzas [00:46]
Someguy123 EvanR good point, order a pizza from him for BTC [00:46]
EvanR pizza are hard money now [00:46]
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Staatsfeind CaptainDDL: Yeah, I'd have said ‘hell no’ to doing that on their website. The prepaid phone providers are sketchy as hell. Go down to a gas station and buy it there. [00:47]
psymin I've reversed a pizza forcefully before. [00:47]
Sudden_ before or after you ate it [00:47]
EvanR lol [00:47]
psymin after :( [00:47]
Staatsfeind CaptainDDL: Also, Tracfone is like the most expensive prepaid; seriously, tell that friend of yours to switch. [00:47]
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korndog One of these days I'm going to be too old to figure out captchas and then i'll be fucked [00:48]
draco49 occulta, here's a site that converts btc to moneypak ... https://www.btcpak.com/ [00:48]
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occulta ah yes, i see that [00:48]
occulta give it a few months first :) [00:48]
CaptainDDL Staatsfeind, will do. I use too much data for most prepaids sadly, don't have much experience with em. [00:48]
draco49 occulta, and here's one that provides you a virtual mastercard for btc --> http://www.btcinstant.com/ [00:48]
Someguy123 draco49 hm, I wonder if I could use it for minecraft [00:49]
Someguy123 really I need a virtual UK mastercard [00:49]
occulta used bitinstant many times, owner is a good chap [00:49]
korndog is greendot the same as moneypak ? [00:49]
Someguy123 or a EU mastercard [00:49]
occulta didnt know about their prepaid carsd though [00:49]
Someguy123 minecraft is $7 more expensive in the US =_= [00:49]
mircea_popescu prolly better there or something [00:50]
CaptainDDL korndog, don't get a greendot debit card, those are hard to get rid of. you definitely want the greendot moneypak [00:50]
Staatsfeind korndog: Green Dot is the issuer of MoneyPaks. [00:50]
mircea_popescu they use fresher bits. [00:50]
Sudden_ for once eu is winning the price game then :) [00:50]
draco49 occulta, that's not bitinstant [00:50]
draco49 it's btcinstant [00:50]
occulta o. [00:50]
x0Jakeyboy0x anyone know how to deal with gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. in gpg when tyring to decrypt? [00:50]
Staatsfeind The prepaid card is just one thing you can use with it. [00:50]
occulta wow looks sketchy? [00:50]
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korndog ahh, i was looking.. maybe i just saw greendot.. they were $3, but FDIC insured which means chargebacks [00:51]
candlepin http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1203.1820 [00:51]
korndog the moneypay was $5, but it said "if criminals get your money joke is on you" more or less [00:51]
candlepin we present a flow-based reputation metric that gives absolute values instead of merely a ranking. [00:51]
Someguy123 occulta yeah it's confusing, bitinstant is for inter-service payments, btcinstant is for a virtual mastercard [00:51]
GlooBoy dont decrypt: verify [00:51]
Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: Are you copypasting everything from the URL gribble gave you? (Including the line that says ‘-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----’) [00:52]
occulta Someguy123: any idea if they have have independant security testing? [00:52]
Staatsfeind Also, are you doing eregister/eauth or register/auth? [00:52]
draco49 korndog, the only time a chargeback situation would occur with a greendot card is if you used it to by something and revered the charge... moneypaks are not reversible afik. [00:52]
EvanR i went with a credit union now im getting .1% interest :| [00:52]
EvanR yay [00:52]
draco49 *reversed [00:52]
Someguy123 occulta haven't used them before so.. [00:52]
Staatsfeind draco49: They are but it's a bigger pain in the ass than a lot of other methods. [00:52]
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x0Jakeyboy0x it says... your challenge string is... blah. nothing with begin pgp [00:53]
x0Jakeyboy0x and im doing this for the first time [00:53]
draco49 hmm, good to know Staatsfeind [00:53]
korndog i guess I'm going to go with dwolla -> mtgox to get my btc .. seems best/cheapest [00:53]
phraust I just save it as a text file to the desktop. [00:53]
Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: Then you're doing register and not eregister. ;) You need to copypaste that string, sign it, and put it on a pastebin somewhere. [00:53]
Staatsfeind *clearsign [00:53]
helo wget -qO- | gpg -d [00:53]
Staatsfeind Or you could switch to eregister. [00:53]
draco49 I found a site the other day that was issuing physical debitcards with the bitcoin logo that you could load with btc and it gets put on the card as USD. [00:54]
draco49 I can't seem to find it now. [00:54]
Staatsfeind helo: He's not doing the e- method. [00:54]
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EvanR draco49: i saw those a while back, at bitcoinmorpheus [00:54]
helo well he should be... [00:54]
EvanR was pretty hard to get [00:54]
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Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: «echo '$CHALLENGE_STRING' | gpg --clearsign» but no idea with your GUI thingamajig. [00:54]
draco49 EvanR, if I recall, the rates and fees were ridiculous [00:55]
EvanR they were pretty yeah [00:55]
CaptainDDL x0Jakeyboy0x, I always use ;;gpg eauth NICK and ;;gpg everify, basically put an 'e' in front of the command. It makes things much easier IMO. [00:55]
EvanR mans gotta eat! [00:55]
* phraust nods. [00:55]
Someguy123 draco49 the fees are rediculous on btcinstant [00:55]
Someguy123 =_= [00:55]
Staatsfeind Meh, neither is really easier or harder; they're just different. [00:55]
Someguy123 $7 for anything over $10 you put on the card, or $4 for under $10 [00:55]
candlepin money+money=money [00:55]
Staatsfeind ;;auth vragnaroda [00:56]
EvanR selling money [00:56]
gribble Request successful for user vragnaroda, hostmask Staatsfeind!~markac@unaffiliated/vragnaroda. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6410995205d54fa5d2c2647b64d92c5879cc76d577454e57a77700f4 [00:56]
EvanR lol [00:56]
draco49 Have any of you guys seen this --> http://www.flexcoin.com/ [00:56]
CaptainDDL a bitcoin bank [00:56]
CaptainDDL sounds safe [00:56]
EvanR the worlds first bitcoin bank [00:56]
EvanR false [00:56]
EvanR lol [00:56]
psymin scary [00:56]
CaptainDDL Legal Notice: We are not a true bank [00:57]
EvanR how about the worlds first trustworthy bitcoin bank? *waits* [00:57]
CaptainDDL lol [00:57]
candlepin banco de bitco [00:57]
draco49 Seems like everyday I find some sort of new bitcoin exchange program/service... [00:57]
Brusker meh i give up [00:57]
occulta who needs a bitcoin bank? [00:57]
EvanR CaptainDDL: i prefer my bank to be unregulated [00:57]
occulta agreed [00:57]
draco49 Islamic Bitcoin Bank [00:57]
EvanR occulta: people who cant secure their own shit [00:57]
EvanR occulta: further, they may want savings and loan service [00:57]
helo draco49: and they all suck heh [00:58]
occulta lmao, then use USD [00:58]
CaptainDDL Brusker, whenever you have some cash go get a Moneypak, people are almost always willing to take them since they're hard to reverse. [00:58]
Staatsfeind ;;verify http://pastebin.com/cLbvqKSr [00:58]
gribble You are now authenticated for user 'vragnaroda' with key B594FD658613B519 [00:58]
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occulta i have a savings wallet... [00:58]
EvanR Brusker: cash advance for bitcoins xD [00:58]
Staatsfeind That takes a bit longer but it's not really harder. [00:58]
Brusker LOL [00:58]
occulta Brusker: so you know, if you had rep here, you could actually get a loan... [00:58]
Staatsfeind rofl [00:58]
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Brusker i am trying to register now [00:59]
EvanR get this man some bitcoins [00:59]
Brusker i guess good things come to thoughs who wait [00:59]
occulta ill donate 0.1 :) [00:59]
candlepin Kony Bank [00:59]
occulta kony! [00:59]
Staatsfeind Brusker: What the fucking hell‽ [00:59]
draco49 On one hand, I like the fact that more and more bitcoin services are being created. But at the same time i'm keeping my distance to see what pans out and what doesn't. [00:59]
Staatsfeind *those [00:59]
EvanR if you wait, you miss out on stuff [00:59]
EvanR then youre dead [00:59]
occulta grammar nazi! [00:59]
EvanR draco49: how long will you wait, this has been like this for over a year now [01:00]
Staatsfeind occulta: That's not grammar. [01:00]
x0Jakeyboy0x alright [01:00]
x0Jakeyboy0x i did it [01:00]
occulta spelling nazi! * [01:00]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank you peoples. especailly Staat [01:00]
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x0Jakeyboy0x so how do i register my username on here with a password? [01:01]
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EvanR x0Jakeyboy0x: nickserv [01:01]
phraust x0Jakeyboy0x /msg nickserv help [01:01]
draco49 EvanR, well in that time lots of operations have come and gone but there's a core base of legit sites and services that are relatively trustworthy and reliable... [01:01]
occulta draco49: imo they are easy to spot. [01:01]
EvanR draco49: like mybitcoin! [01:01]
psymin heh [01:01]
EvanR mybitcoin was probably number 2 site, after mtgox [01:02]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank you! [01:02]
draco49 look at TH ... here today, gone the next... [01:02]
x0Jakeyboy0x now if i want to sell something, do i rant and rave about it or add it to that order book thing? [01:02]
draco49 Now all they can do is sue Dwolla. [01:03]
occulta draco49: they are gone, doesnt mean anybody lost out though? [01:03]
candlepin kony [01:03]
occulta kony [01:03]
candlepin konycoin [01:03]
draco49 No, that's not what I was implying. [01:03]
CaptainDDL I just hope Instapaper doesn't end up pulling the same stunt as MyBitcoin, their wallets are really handy for temporary storage. [01:03]
Staatsfeind x0Jakeyboy0x: Just keep in mind that the nick used with gribble is not necessarily the nick used for IRC. For example, ,,ident Staatsfeind [01:03]
gribble You are identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519. [01:03]
occulta they handles themselves well imo [01:03]
occulta handled* [01:03]
occulta banks tried screwing mtgox also, especially those french! [01:03]
draco49 I agree. I traded on their exchange and never had any problems. [01:04]
occulta think they went to switzerland lol [01:04]
x0Jakeyboy0x i see, so i do the ident command to check who they relaly are? [01:04]
draco49 But it's an example of the volitility of the economy, not just in prices but in operation. [01:04]
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Staatsfeind Yes. [01:04]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank you [01:04]
Staatsfeind ;;ident x0Jakeyboy0x [01:04]
gribble Nick 'x0Jakeyboy0x', with hostmask 'x0Jakeyboy0x!4bb7a43c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.183.164.60', is identified as user x0Jakeyboy0x, with GPG key id 14B65479D581B0FA, and key fingerprint 6928A0974881DC2873DD6C3D14B65479D581B0FA. [01:04]
Staatsfeind ;;ident copumpkin [01:04]
gribble Nick 'copumpkin', with hostmask 'copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin', is not identified. [01:04]
Staatsfeind ;;ident nanotube [01:04]
gribble Nick 'nanotube', with hostmask 'nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube', is identified as user nanotube, with GPG key id E7F938BEC95594B2, and key fingerprint D8B11AAC59A873B0F38D475CE7F938BEC95594B2. [01:04]
occulta yes, i find it very interesting, how banks and large corps react to it all [01:04]
copumpkin omg I'm an impostor [01:05]
CaptainDDL TH was a pretty nice exchange, but when they removed Dwolla support it became a lot more inconvenient to use. [01:05]
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Staatsfeind Meh, they were flashy. I'll give them that. [01:05]
EvanR what happened with th and dwolla? [01:05]
candlepin dwolla raped them mercilessly [01:06]
draco49 It's very similar to the early days of the modern Internet.. [01:06]
Staatsfeind EvanR: TH was idiotic and expected Dwolla to be idiotic in their favor. Dwolla was disingenuous. [01:06]
draco49 EvanR, basically, Dwolla got raped and, in turn, passed the raping onto TH. [01:06]
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draco49 Staatsfeind, did you read the lawsuit filing? [01:07]
Staatsfeind draco49: Yes, it's amusing. [01:07]
EvanR who got raped? [01:07]
EvanR what is the nature of this raping [01:07]
Staatsfeind EvanR: You can't rape the willing. [01:07]
draco49 fist Dwolla did, then they passed it on down to TH [01:07]
EvanR gubmint? [01:07]
candlepin dwolla didn't handle the disputes propertly so th never had the opportunity to win the chargebacks. thats one of the problems of dealing with a TPP (third party processor). [01:07]
korndog dwolla claims chargebacks and stiffed TH [01:07]
draco49 Dwolla "froze" like $100k from TH [01:08]
korndog TH said they can't do that and provided no documentation. They went out of business and have sued dwolla. [01:08]
EvanR TH is totally gone? [01:08]
EvanR >_< [01:08]
EvanR fuckin USD [01:08]
korndog the problem is the internet is full of so many scammers.. they're do chargebacks anywhere they can [01:08]
draco49 Even though the Dwolla site had no mention of chargeback in their TOS at the time. [01:08]
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Blitzboom who cares about TH? [01:08]
korndog and the nature of bitcoins makes it perfect for chargeback scamming [01:08]
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psymin wait what? [01:08]
EvanR Blitzboom: it was a good effort [01:09]
Staatsfeind EvanR: No, it's out there biding its time. [01:09]
psymin dwolla killed TH? I care about dwolla doing stuff [01:09]
Staatsfeind It plans on making a triumphant return. [01:09]
EvanR officially [01:09]
Staatsfeind It is not running. It still exists. [01:09]
psymin so if dwolla is doing stuff like that, who is the best for getting btc into usd? [01:09]
draco49 Yeah I'm sure after a sweeping courtroom victory, TH will be back on top of the mountain where... oh wait, they weren't on top of the mountain. [01:09]
Staatsfeind psymin: MtGox hasn't had anything near that scale of a problem with Dwolla. [01:10]
candlepin the chargeback rules require the bank to notify the merchant, and give them an opportunity to respond. (see http://www.achrulesonline.org/) dwoll did none of this (presumably because its a shitload of annoying paperwork and customer service back and forth), so the customer won the chargeback in every case [01:10]
Staatsfeind They've still had issues but not the same thing. [01:10]
Staatsfeind candlepin: Under those rules, Dwolla's bank is the merchant, not TradeHill or even Dwolla itself. [01:10]
candlepin Staatsfeind: yes, but TH can blame dwolla for the loss because dwolla never gave them an opportunity to win the chargeback. [01:11]
Staatsfeind candlepin: Those rules don't apply to the TH ←→ Dwolla relationship. [01:11]
Staatsfeind It applies to the ACH transmission from Dwolla to TH; not what's in TH's account in Dwolla. [01:12]
candlepin they are the rules that determine how chargebacks are handled. dwolla's failure to implement the process caused TH's loss. therefore says they're liable [01:12]
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korndog wow my bitcoin wallet has been synchronizing for 16 hours...and still going [01:12]
candlepin woh is responsible for the losses? TH blames dwolla's negligent handling of disputes which always ruled in the buyer's favor [01:12]
Staatsfeind There are rules for how ACH chargebacks are handled. Dwolla doesn't even allege an ACH chargeback from Dwolla. [01:13]
Staatsfeind They say *credited* amounts were disappeared. [01:13]
draco49 Didn't it arise from fraudulently accessed Dwolla accounts which were then used to fund TH accounts? [01:13]
candlepin Staatsfeind: you have to follow those rules in order to prevent loss from chargebacks. if dwolla didn't implement the process, they were negligent in their dispute resolution handling [01:13]
candlepin Staatsfeind: huh? TH says close to $100k was chargebacks and silently withdrawn from their account [01:13]
Staatsfeind From their *Dwolla* account. [01:14]
Staatsfeind It was not an ACH chargeback. [01:14]
Staatsfeind Dwolla did not initiate an ACH chargeback. [01:14]
candlepin the loss originated from an ach chargeback [01:14]
draco49 Staatsfeind, right... [01:14]
phantomcircuit I can see there is confusion about this [01:14]
Staatsfeind No, it originated with the Big Bang. [01:14]
mircea_popescu EvanR: TH was idiotic and expected Dwolla to be idiotic in their favor. Dwolla was disingenuous. << this. truth. [01:15]
candlepin i dont get your point. dwolla failed to prevent the ach losses because their process was non-existent and non-compliant. the losses are therefore dwolla's fault [01:15]
draco49 wow that was like 6000 years ago [01:15]
EvanR lol [01:15]
Staatsfeind candlepin: No. It's not Dwolla's responsibility to screen TH's customers. [01:15]
draco49 At the time, Dwolla had no chargeback policy. [01:15]
candlepin dwolla claims a right to recover "fines" incurred by a merchant (presumably includes chargebacks). however, if those fines were imposed because of dwolla's own poor dispute process, then dwolla is to blame [01:15]
phantomcircuit Staatsfeind, the ACH reversals originated at the banking institution linked to the dwolla account [01:15]
candlepin nothing to do with screening [01:15]
draco49 However, as an intermediary, Dwolla was subject to chargebacks initiated by Dwolla account holders. [01:16]
Staatsfeind phantomcircuit: Yes, but I've seen nothing alleging that Dwolla initiated them. [01:16]
candlepin its like a car rental company saying the driver is responsible for any tickets he gets on the road, but if the driver is ticketed because the car has an illegal exhaust, that is because of the company's negligence and the driver can therefore blame them [01:16]
phantomcircuit Staatsfeind, that's Irrelevant Dwolla claimed very predominantly that there would be no chargebacks [01:16]
* EvanR goes drinking [01:16]
EvanR fuck this shit [01:17]
phantomcircuit in fact their systems did not even have the ability to notify merchants of a chargeback [01:17]
phantomcircuit this payments going from credited to pending instead of their being a correcting entry [01:17]
phantomcircuit thus* [01:17]
Staatsfeind phantomcircuit: As I recall, they said “no chargeback concerns” and like I said, they were disingenuous. [01:17]
draco49 They looked at the chargebacks (actually ACH reversal) took back the money from TH that had been spent there. [01:17]
Staatsfeind draco49: TradeHill doesn't even allege that. [01:17]
phantomcircuit Staatsfeind, correct and that is the basis of tradehills lawsuit [01:18]
candlepin TH can make the argument that the loss was primarily due to dwolla's poor and non-existent dispute process. so, while dwolla had the right to withdraw the funds, they are still liable because their own process led to the fines/chargebacks [01:18]
ne0futur and lies [01:18]
phantomcircuit the attorney for tradehill is clearly not well versed [01:18]
mircea_popescu actually by name he's a competent lawyer. [01:18]
Staatsfeind phantomcircuit: Or their accountants :þ [01:18]
draco49 Staatsfeind, doesn't it? Maybe I misinterpreted what I read... [01:18]
phantomcircuit in the complaint he talks about credit card companies [01:18]
mircea_popescu thing is prolly some para filed. [01:18]
ne0futur I ever loved tradehill, but here the lier is dwolla [01:19]
Staatsfeind draco49: No, their argument is that Dwolla removed credit from their account *on* Dwolla; not that they ACH-chargebacked TH. [01:19]
draco49 Staatsfeind, oh I got that that part... I was referring to the reversals that Dwolla got hit with from its customers. [01:19]
Staatsfeind ne0futur: Dwolla hasn't said much about this at all and TH has lied many times over. [01:20]
draco49 I understand that no ACH reversal was done on TH, that their Dwolla funds were taken. [01:20]
candlepin dwolla's tos implies they reserve the right to withdraw merchant funds to cover any "fines" incurred by the account. so the question is, who is to blame for those fines and chargebacks? if dwolla didn't even give the merchant the ability to respond, then it's not hard to show dwolla was negligent. [01:20]
draco49 candlepin, Dwolla changed their TOS right after this happened. [01:20]
candlepin yeah im talking about the original tos [01:20]
mircea_popescu "then it's not hard to show" this you can qualify how ? [01:20]
ne0futur dwolla lied on "no chargeback" [01:20]
ne0futur i seen it myself [01:21]
candlepin which said something like: yalls are responsible for fines incurred by your account [01:21]
mircea_popescu is it harder than baking a pie ? [01:21]
draco49 Time for the way-back machine... [01:21]
candlepin mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care [01:21]
ne0futur tradehill lied ? on what ? [01:21]
mircea_popescu hm. from reading wikipedia im getting the ideea it might be harder than baking a pie. [01:21]
mircea_popescu i declare that to be hard. [01:21]
candlepin a payment processor, should at minimum, notify merchants of disputes, espeically if they're material ones [01:21]
Staatsfeind ne0futur: Now, you're being disingenuous: Dwolla said ‘no chargeback concerns’ which, with reasonable practices, is an exaggeration, not an outright lie. [01:22]
ne0futur ( disclaimer blabla, this in my personal opinion blabla ) [01:22]
ne0futur i fel this is a pure and important li for a btc busineess trusting dwolla [01:22]
Staatsfeind ne0futur: They're either saying what they know to be untrue, or they're making claims without checking their figures because the numbers for the same period, in different reports from them vary. [01:23]
ne0futur i feeel this is a pure and important lie for a btc busineess trusting dwolla [01:23]
draco49 candlepin, Ok I see the text you're referring to... I don't think TH's account incurred any fines under those terms. [01:23]
candlepin mircea_popescu: so under the standard of reasonable care to act on behalf of your clients and not cause unnecessary injury.. dwolla cant simply seize all the cash and then say "too bad" without even giving the merchant an opportunity to dispute the complaint in accordance with NACHA [01:23]
x0Jakeyboy0x so where do i advertise what i want to sell? [01:23]
ne0futur (sorry my "e" key is nearly dead ) [01:23]
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occulta x0Jakeyboy0x: the orderbook [01:23]
occulta http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php [01:24]
mircea_popescu candlepin : the issue was "not hard". [01:24]
Staatsfeind I'm not saying Dwolla's particularly trustworthy. I'm saying TH was sketchy as fuck, made the same type of unwarranted claims, promised incentives they didn't deliver on when it was convenient, in clear violation of their ToS. [01:24]
mircea_popescu its pretty damned hard. [01:24]
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ne0futur ( and no one ever herd me telling good things of tradehill, I loved exchb and nerly hated TH ) [01:24]
candlepin draco49: well the meaning of "fines" isnt defined. its up in the air. a court would have to decide if chargebacks are "fines" [01:24]
ne0futur ( but on this I m still 100% with TH ) [01:25]
mircea_popescu so where do i advertise what i want to sell? << here. [01:25]
x0Jakeyboy0x how do i get in contact with a seller? [01:25]
candlepin http://web.archive.org/web/20100730001213/http://www.dwolla.org/help/terms-of-use/ [01:25]
mircea_popescu you can also use the order book [01:25]
ne0futur ::gettrust x0Jakeyboy0x [01:25]
ne0futur ;;gettrust x0Jakeyboy0x [01:25]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;gettrust x0Jakeyboy0x [01:26]
gribble Trust relationship from user x0Jakeyboy0x to user x0Jakeyboy0x: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=x0Jakeyboy0x&dest=x0Jakeyboy0x [01:26]
candlepin "Return / New Account ID # Fine Accountability" i assume return means when a custome returns the product [01:26]
draco49 candlepin, Yeah I agree. My bro-in-law is a tech attorney. I should get his opinion on it. [01:26]
x0Jakeyboy0x how do i get in contact with a seller? [01:27]
candlepin "if your account incurs fee’s during it’s use for usage or misuse of the Dwolla system, you will be held responsible for those fee’s" [01:27]
mircea_popescu x0Jakeyboy0x : you either list your order in the order book or ask here. [01:27]
candlepin that's like a car rental company saying you have to pay for any tickets you get while on the road [01:27]
korndog speaking of dwolla why has it taken several minutes for my verification email and it still hasn't appeared... [01:27]
mircea_popescu maybe check the spam folder ? [01:27]
x0Jakeyboy0x is whutruduin here? i want to buy your BTC? [01:27]
candlepin which is fine... unless the ticket was for a mechanical problem with the car or something out of the driver's control that is the rental company's responsibility [01:27]
draco49 I setup a Dwolla acct but their BS mobile app won't let me add funds to my acct. [01:28]
mircea_popescu ;;tell x0Jakeyboy0x [guide] [01:29]
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x0Jakeyboy0x i understand that, but i've found a person in the order book that i want to deal with, how do i contact them? do i make a matching order? [01:30]
draco49 Regarding Dwolla/TH, I think that, if it goes to court and is not settled, the fact that Dwolla changed its TOS right after it happened doesn't help their case. [01:30]
candlepin indeed. i think theyll settle, because of the legal ambiguity around their status as a money transmitter [01:30]
draco49 x0Jakeyboy0x, are they here in the channel? [01:30]
mircea_popescu a, you send them a pm [01:30]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell message [01:30]
mircea_popescu ;;ident x0Jakeyboy0x [01:31]
gribble Nick 'x0Jakeyboy0x', with hostmask 'x0Jakeyboy0x!4bb7a43c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.183.164.60', is identified as user x0Jakeyboy0x, with GPG key id 14B65479D581B0FA, and key fingerprint 6928A0974881DC2873DD6C3D14B65479D581B0FA. [01:31]
mircea_popescu he's id'd and all, im impressed. [01:31]
x0Jakeyboy0x =P I'm working on it [01:31]
draco49 I think that if both parties have solid attorneys they'll work towards a settlement. [01:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;later tell whutruduin I want to buy your BTC, contact me. [01:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:32]
mircea_popescu yea, next he comes online he sees that. [01:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x so i use the nick in the order book to leave them a message on here? [01:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x cool [01:32]
mircea_popescu ;;seen whutruduin [01:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank you [01:32]
gribble whutruduin was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, 45 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: ;;sell 100 BTC at "({mtgoxask} + {mtgoxbid}) / 2" USD moneypak [01:32]
mircea_popescu course it may be a while [01:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x ah that doesnt look good [01:32]
mircea_popescu so what's the story, you got $500 mp want btc? [01:33]
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x0Jakeyboy0x $495, correct [01:33]
mircea_popescu so say that a few times, maybe put an order in book [01:33]
mircea_popescu that's about all [01:33]
draco49 damn $5 service fee [01:33]
x0Jakeyboy0x indeed, draco49, indeed [01:33]
MBS anyone want to buy a 1 year xbox live subscription, or a $20 lowes gc, or a $10 drugstore.com gift card [01:33]
MBS draco49, can get it refunded from some places :p [01:34]
draco49 really? [01:34]
mircea_popescu when i am tyrant all gift certificates will be forbidden. [01:34]
draco49 where? [01:34]
x0Jakeyboy0x alright. hear that everybody!?! $495 MP for BTC! somebody buy from me [01:34]
Someguy123 bitcoin kamikaze is a pisstake. http://i52.tinypic.com/zx3x3.png http://i54.tinypic.com/35d89co.png [01:34]
Someguy123 ALWAYS on freeplay I get straight lines [01:34]
Someguy123 without dying [01:35]
Someguy123 >bet even 0.01... die on first row [01:35]
draco49 now x0Jakeyboy0x , the next secret is to not spam the channel (post your req more than once per screen) [01:35]
Staatsfeind nanotube: Any chance of a ;;later tell —like mechanism that works based on GPG authentication instead of IRC nicks? [01:35]
mircea_popescu not a bad ideea that. [01:35]
mircea_popescu ;;later gpgell :D [01:36]
draco49 I'm bad-ass on kamikaze in freeplay mode :) [01:36]
draco49 then when I play any coins I lose every time [01:36]
mircea_popescu sounds like a rigged gamer [01:37]
Someguy123 draco49 well, I just lost my entire 0.5 [01:37]
Someguy123 instantly [01:37]
Someguy123 on the first go [01:37]
Someguy123 5 0.1 bets = died every single time, on the first go [01:37]
Someguy123 this really is damn rigged =_= [01:37]
candlepin poland is the least populated country in europe [01:37]
Someguy123 candlepin yeah, they're all here [01:37]
Someguy123 my school is like... 20% polish [01:38]
Someguy123 this is in the UK in the least known county... [01:38]
candlepin in UK? [01:38]
candlepin i c [01:38]
Someguy123 candlepin this is in cumbria [01:38]
Staatsfeind 18:37 < candlepin> | poland is the least populated country in europe ← That's not true. [01:38]
mircea_popescu polandated ? [01:38]
Staatsfeind Not even close to true. [01:38]
mircea_popescu might be, if he means pop density [01:39]
mircea_popescu it's mostly salty marshes. [01:39]
Someguy123 seriously... someone needs to make a FAIR bitcoin kamikaze [01:39]
Someguy123 T_T [01:39]
candlepin its not poland [01:39]
candlepin it's finland [01:39]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: And disregards a whole bunch of other countries. [01:39]
mircea_popescu well... rigged :p [01:39]
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candlepin yeah i meant there are some subdivisions of poland that are sparsely populated [01:40]
candlepin i dunno how finland is the least densely populated euro country [01:40]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmFHUbVQtA [01:41]
Staatsfeind Finland has one more person per km² than Norway according to the august Dr. Wik E. Pedia. [01:41]
mircea_popescu most ridiculous hymn ever. [01:41]
candlepin top 6 least densely populated euro nations: finland, sweden, estonia, latvia, lithuania, ireland [01:42]
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draco49 mircea_popescu, after looking at random.org more thoroughly I re-wrote the code using randomdotorg and have run a little over 500 simulations so far... [01:42]
Someguy123 Staatsfeind don't trust wikipedia, it tried to tell me that witches fly on electric guitars [01:42]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;seen ne1watching [01:42]
gribble ne1watching was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: ;;view [01:42]
Someguy123 Staatsfeind http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_guitar [01:42]
Staatsfeind Someguy123: I can't disprove that. [01:42]
Someguy123 that, has been there, for 3 days now [01:42]
Someguy123 This electric current can also be changed to produce effects. Electric guitars are commonly used as a replacement for brooms when flying, some witches/gypsey prefer this as it means they do not need a Radio when travelling. [01:42]
Someguy123 3 fucking days, and nobody's fixed it [01:43]
Staatsfeind lol [01:43]
mircea_popescu aha draco49 [01:43]
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candlepin hhaha [01:43]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:43]
Staatsfeind Someguy123: That's not that bad. [01:43]
mircea_popescu wikipedia is full of bukkake. [01:43]
mircea_popescu i mean [01:43]
mircea_popescu book cake. [01:43]
Someguy123 Staatsfeind I put that there ;) [01:43]
draco49 mircea_popescu, So far, the statistical results have been on par with my other code, but I need to finish 1000 simulations and do a full comparison. [01:43]
Someguy123 i put it there on wednesday at school, and it's still there now [01:44]
Someguy123 expected them to correct it by now [01:44]
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mircea_popescu draco49 : my point was more about verbiage on yoru site than the actual engine. [01:44]
candlepin lapland [01:44]
draco49 mircea_popescu, I'll probably end up using the randomdotorg module if for no other reason than to add a sense of assurance. [01:44]
x0Jakeyboy0x $495 MoneyPak for BTC [01:45]
draco49 and yeah I need to update that page [01:45]
candlepin helsinki is the most northerly metropolitan area with >1M inhabitants [01:45]
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draco49 mircea_popescu, thanks for the input on that :) [01:46]
mircea_popescu first input free :D [01:46]
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draco49 that reminds me, if you have an ad banner (150x50 or 468x60), point me to it and I'll link to MPOE [01:48]
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x0Jakeyboy0x ;;ident spawn- [01:51]
gribble Nick 'spawn-', with hostmask 'spawn-!hellspawn@definitely.has.a.l337.name', is identified as user spawn-, with GPG key id AE30E5D188391FE6, and key fingerprint 57810BDEC1A01158F60A2648AE30E5D188391FE6. [01:51]
mircea_popescu haha that's really nice of you, [01:51]
draco49 It would be my pleasure! [01:52]
mircea_popescu but really i was just kidding around, my nitpicking is free. [01:52]
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draco49 lol I know... but I'm all about community building [01:53]
mircea_popescu hm... lemme see here... [01:53]
draco49 if you don't have one that size, i'll just steal the one you got on bitcoincharts and scale it [01:54]
mircea_popescu that works [01:55]
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* mircea_popescu is still trying to figure out where does gribble keep all this voice. [02:00]
mircea_popescu he's giving it away like candy for chrissakes. [02:00]
x0Jakeyboy0x anyone interested in sweet professional 3d logos? http://bit.ly/yoA4fS [02:01]
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* Staatsfeind gives voice to mircea_popescu mircea_popescu mircea_popescu mircea_popescu [02:01]
* Staatsfeind gives voice to mircea_popescu mircea_popescu mircea_popescu mircea_popescu [02:01]
Staatsfeind Here, have some voices, mircea_popescu. [02:01]
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mircea_popescu o ty! [02:01]
candlepin konycoin [02:02]
Blitzboom lol [02:02]
Blitzboom hide yo kids [02:03]
Blitzboom konycoin is the new cosbycoin? [02:03]
mircea_popescu this is good voice too, not like the stuff he usually gives out. [02:03]
spawn- ;;voiceme [02:03]
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candlepin ive heard more about how kony went viral than i have about who this kony is [02:03]
mircea_popescu ideea : make cointails, market it to contrails nutties. [02:04]
Blitzboom yeah, it’s annoying [02:04]
Greed Kony is a warlord in Africa who steals children from their beds and doesn't afraid of anything [02:04]
Blitzboom and he is a christian [02:04]
candlepin beiber tweeted on it [02:04]
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draco49 Christians responsible for horror and misery? Not possible. [02:05]
candlepin why are blacks called "warlords" but western war criminals are called "president" [02:05]
je_fro you think gas and food prices are high now? get rid of all the kony's in the world and watch resources slip through our fingers even faster... [02:05]
Blitzboom candlepin: LOL [02:05]
Blitzboom true, i’ve never heard of a white warlord [02:06]
candlepin he would be the coolest guy ever [02:06]
draco49 They call them CEO's [02:06]
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candlepin i figured every militant in africa forced children into conscription and pillaged villages [02:06]
draco49 They do... [02:07]
* MBS forces candlepin into conscription [02:07]
draco49 I saw Blood Diamond [02:07]
Cusipzzz nanotube is the warlord of -otc [02:07]
MBS why are blacks called "warlords" but western war criminals are called "president" [02:07]
MBS warlord obama? [02:07]
MBS lol [02:08]
candlepin black africans rather.. only brown-skinned warlords are ever prosecuted [02:08]
draco49 I'm not a fan of Obama, but I don't know that i'd call him a warlord... [02:08]
draco49 Now GWB on the other hand.... [02:08]
draco49 And his dad [02:08]
MBS i dont mind obama tbh, he gives in too easily to republicans though [02:08]
draco49 THOSE mofo's were warlords. [02:08]
MBS he definately will win in the fall though [02:08]
draco49 Well watching the GOP primary is like watching a bunch a retards try to hump a doorknob. [02:09]
candlepin a white warlord is like the beastie boys of african conflicts [02:09]
draco49 The only thing any of them agree on is that they want to be president. [02:10]
MBS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_War [02:10]
MBS lol [02:10]
MBS well not really a warlord butt [02:10]
candlepin it's like led zeppelin and elvis, who stole the black man's blues, and made millions [02:10]
gmaxwell MBS: thats a pretty excellent movie. [02:10]
candlepin i want authentic african warlords, not cross-over militant groups by some suburban whiteys who are ripping off the black man [02:11]
spawn- Selling BTC for PPUSD or LRUSD :) [02:11]
candlepin i want eric b. & rakim, not vanilla ice [02:12]
Cusipzzz paid in full...a classic [02:12]
mircea_popescu one day ill buy something in this chan. [02:12]
draco49 Whatsup spawn- ... how's Quezon City this morning? [02:13]
korndog taking 20 hours to synch up a new wallet.. thats kinda a serious barrier to entry for bitcoins [02:13]
spawn- still kickin draco49 :) [02:13]
candlepin indeed Cusipzzz [02:13]
spawn- morning bro [02:13]
mircea_popescu korndog : i think you can just dld the file [02:13]
draco49 glad to hear it spawn- :) [02:13]
candlepin damn wigger warlords [02:13]
spawn- :) [02:13]
phraust Anyone try journey on ps3 yet? [02:15]
candlepin bitkony [02:16]
MBS anyone want to buy a 1 year xbox live subscription, or a $20 lowes gc, or a $10 drugstore.com gift card [02:17]
x0Jakeyboy0x $495 Moneypak for BTC, pm me [02:18]
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Brusker ;;gettrust spawn- [02:20]
Brusker ;;getrating spawn- [02:21]
rg bitcoins [02:21]
rg buy? [02:21]
rg from me [02:21]
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rg coin [02:21]
Someguy123 MBS hah, you just reminded me [02:21]
rg i sell [02:21]
Someguy123 I got a 14 month prepaid XBL gold here, and I still haven't used it [02:22]
Someguy123 it's been sitting here since xmas =_= [02:22]
rg u want make exchange [02:23]
rg 4 bitcoin [02:23]
rg kekeke [02:23]
rg ? [02:23]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;ident rg [02:24]
gribble Nick 'rg', with hostmask 'rg!~james@deadchildren.org', is identified as user rg, with GPG key id F3035DFA1D149C84, and key fingerprint 58EB24DBC867E706F4599CD3F3035DFA1D149C84. [02:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;getrating rg [02:24]
gribble User rg, created on Sun Jun 5 10:39:49 2011. Cumulative rating 129, from 65 total ratings. Received ratings: 65 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 62 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=rg Currently authenticated from hostmask rg!~james@deadchildren.org [02:24]
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rg im just fucking around. [02:24]
rg i speak english [02:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x lol okay =] [02:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x i have a 495$ moneypak [02:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x interested? [02:24]
rg i dont have that much right now [02:25]
MBS Someguy123, why dont you make it 26 months :p [02:25]
x0Jakeyboy0x how much have you got? [02:25]
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MBS lol wtf [02:27]
MBS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Ilx_QRXdY [02:27]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Sun Feb 26 06:25:27 2012 [11:01]
Coolty with daily FTP backups to an OVH server [11:01]
SpeedBus Coolty OVH, cool [11:01]
SpeedBus FYI, if you get more than 5 complaints against your server or the VPS's on your Server, OVH will format your server. [11:02]
SpeedBus Just saying ^^ [11:02]
Coolty Then... I won't get 5 complaints? [11:02]
mircea_popescu ugh [11:02]
* #bitcoin-otc :Cannot send to channel [11:02]
Coolty easy fix is don't accept anonymous customers [11:02]
SpeedBus Well, if your clients abuse (SPAM, DDOS, Warez, Torrents) [11:02]
SpeedBus Coolty Yep [11:03]
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korndog i am paying $40 american for a vps i almost nver use [11:03]
Coolty korndog: you should check out www.vertvps.com [11:03]
Coolty lowest plan is $5/month [11:03]
Joric i was thinking of that bitcoinica / slush fail on linode what if they used encrypted wallet (unlocked from remote console, say for 1 year) they could save their coins [11:03]
* gribble gives voice to mircea_popescu [11:03]
mircea_popescu +m now? [11:03]
mircea_popescu o hey. [11:03]
korndog yea, honestly once i back up that software on there i don't even need it. [11:03]
SpeedBus +korndog Yep, I too have a $60 VPS from LiquidWeb [11:03]
SpeedBus the ones that host webhostingtalk.com [11:04]
SpeedBus Although its expensive, well, i'm sure it wont go poof :P [11:04]
korndog it is obnoxious they have root access to kill procs on it [11:04]
SpeedBus http://www.liquidweb.com/ [11:04]
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mircea_popescu omg copumpkin i lack tact ?! you artichoke you!1 [11:05]
dissipate why do people bother with VPS accounts? amazon web services has a micro instance for 2 cents an hour. [11:05]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Not quite +m; it's +q $~a, though. [11:05]
SpeedBus dissipate thats true :) [11:06]
korndog i had a drupal project on mine [11:06]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: astana is batshit crazy and offering bounties on people's heads and avoiding bans like crazy. [11:06]
korndog can you host drupal on amazon ? [11:06]
dissipate AWS may not be the cheapest, but 2 cents an hour is cheap enough. [11:06]
mircea_popescu ugh. [11:06]
dissipate and it's flexible [11:07]
mircea_popescu you know incidentally, my first contact with a bitcoin-ish system was some weirdo's paper about how you could have murder, inc anonymously [11:07]
SpeedBus dissipate somehow amazon turns out more expensive, i really dont know why [11:07]
mircea_popescu over a distributed crypto thing. [11:07]
mircea_popescu and i thought this is plain insane and didn;'t look at it further for ~6 months [11:07]
dissipate SpeedBus, they just slashed their prices [11:07]
mircea_popescu basically till my blog readers threw a fit. [11:07]
Joric buy reliable hosting at http://btcserv.net [11:08]
mircea_popescu so whats +q +~a, like +R ? [11:08]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I'd love to see some econometrics on a functioning assassination market, but I can't just let shit like that go on in here. [11:08]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't love to see it at all. [11:08]
vragnaroda Yeah, in other ircds, it's +R, I think. [11:08]
mircea_popescu im done with living in an arsenal. [11:08]
SpeedBus dissipate oh, hmm.. :P maby my next one will be a Amazon EC2 :P [11:09]
dissipate vragnaroda, what shit? [11:09]
vragnaroda Well, I'd rather none exist, but I don't want it to be impossible, either. [11:09]
Joric assasination market is overcrowded, last time i've checked tor directory there were at least 5 hitters working for bitcoins [11:09]
mircea_popescu in that sense, yea i guess. [11:09]
sturles Just two hours left to place bets on the 2012 IEM Final. http://backcoin.com/ [11:09]
vragnaroda dissipate: astana's bounties on people's heads [11:09]
mircea_popescu lmao joric i bet they were real pros too [11:10]
vragnaroda rofl [11:10]
dissipate in order for an assassination market to work bitcoin would need a much larger market cap [11:10]
SpeedBus Coolty : The backup server is in server location: Australia [11:10]
dissipate Joric, sounds like B.S. to me [11:10]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: When +q $~a was mentioned earlier, copumpkin *did* mention that that would be a PITA to you. [11:11]
mircea_popescu why ? [11:11]
vragnaroda But you're the only regular anyone could think of that doesn't sign into nickserv. [11:11]
mircea_popescu i dont mind voicing. [11:11]
mircea_popescu heck, last week i was suggesting to nano he put +m back on. [11:12]
vragnaroda I wouldn't mind it, but I get autovoiced on joining. ;p [11:12]
mircea_popescu i suppose if it got annoying i'd look for a gribble script thingee [11:13]
mircea_popescu been too lazy so far. [11:13]
vragnaroda (I didn't mind it before I was autovoiced, either.) [11:13]
Joric dissipate, https://dppmfxaacucguzpc.tor2web.org/ even 6 [11:14]
Joric business category [11:15]
SpeedBus :O [11:17]
dissipate Joric, i don't see one accepting bitcoin [11:18]
vragnaroda Joric: Don't be linking to shit like that in-channel. [11:18]
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SpeedBus @vragnaroda Thats stuff is daymn dangerous, makes me think, what if someone wants me dead :/ [11:19]
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SpeedBus :O [11:19]
vragnaroda Then someone's incompetent or preparing. [11:19]
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SpeedBus :/ [11:19]
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dissipate SpeedBus, get paranoid [11:20]
SpeedBus dissipate hahaa :P [11:21]
vragnaroda SpeedBus: hide yo kids, hide yo wife [11:21]
SpeedBus vragnaroda hehe :P [11:21]
`g put them in my bedroom [11:21]
`g they'll be safe [11:21]
vragnaroda lol [11:21]
SpeedBus `g ;) [11:21]
SpeedBus `g btw, you were interested in CrownCloud ? [11:22]
`g yep [11:22]
SpeedBus We're having a promo for 0.01 BTC for the 1st moneth [11:22]
SpeedBus *month [11:22]
Joric dissipate, well, first i tried was accepting bitcoin, 20k$ equivalent 10k$ forward [11:22]
SpeedBus `g We're having a promo for 0.01 BTC for the 1st month [11:23]
`g well that would be a good way to test your service :) [11:23]
Joric maybe he's even capable to find Tom Williams [11:24]
dissipate Joric, sounds like a scam. what assurances does anyone have that they will carry it out? they could just take the $10K [11:24]
SpeedBus `g yeah, I figured out that, well, people wont "exactly" pay 1 BTC to try out a new service, so why not offer it at 0.01 BTC for the 1st month, where the client can try it out and decide to continue or not, without incurring a large loss [11:24]
`g and once they've some giga, won't disrupt the service ;p [11:25]
`g +put [11:25]
dissipate $20k is actually not that much money for that amount of risk. that right there is fishy. [11:25]
SpeedBus `g haha true, another plus point ;) [11:26]
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SpeedBus `g would you like to try it out for 0.01 BTC for the 1st month ? [11:27]
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`g i could give it a try yup [11:29]
SpeedBus PM me :P [11:29]
SpeedBus *query [11:29]
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mircea_popescu sooo grece swaps look like they're going under 3 [11:37]
Coolty 333 [11:37]
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SpeedBus hey Coolty [11:38]
Coolty hi [11:38]
SpeedBus I just found out that, if you've got a business or professional use license from OVH they wont format your server [11:40]
SpeedBus *thats what my friend told me [11:40]
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SpeedBus They'll suspend it, until you email them or open a ticket saying that you'll take necessary action etc etc [11:40]
SpeedBus and they'll unsuspend it asap [11:40]
SpeedBus Coolty : hmm.. another thingg, you could have gone with Kimisufi, They are OVH's lowend seller, but well you get only 16 or 32 IP"S i'm not sure [11:41]
SpeedBus also [11:42]
SpeedBus http://www.datacentermap.com/ [11:42]
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SpeedBus all the dc's around the world [11:42]
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Joric today's chuck norris's birthday 71 year [11:45]
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mircea_popescu o wow 4.75 [11:46]
Joric daamn someone dumped 10k [11:48]
coingenuity was only ~2500 [11:49]
Joric well it was cumulative someone [11:50]
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Joric chuck norris's birthday explains everything! [11:52]
Joric i don't see any other reasons nobody was hacked today [11:53]
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mircea_popescu i'm having roasted salted pistachios [11:55]
mircea_popescu think it might be explained by the pistachios ? [11:55]
Joric oh speaking of pistachios [11:56]
Joric greece went bankrupt today [11:56]
`g feta is cheap, got to get some [11:59]
mircea_popescu link joric ? [11:59]
mircea_popescu http://www.euronews.com/2012/03/10/haircut-pulls-greece-back-from-bankruptcy-brink/ [12:01]
Joric http://rt.com/news/moody-s-greece-default-debt-241/ [12:01]
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Joric haircut?? [12:02]
Joric oh god how much do they take for it [12:03]
mircea_popescu well ya. [12:03]
mircea_popescu ~3bn. [12:03]
mircea_popescu as compared to lehmans's ~5.2 [12:03]
Joric i thought it's onion network but it's euronews [12:03]
mircea_popescu its euronews. [12:04]
`g euronion 8/ [12:04]
mircea_popescu http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0309/greece-business.html [12:04]
mircea_popescu rte has it too [12:04]
Joric 3 billion dollars for a haircut? [12:05]
a5m0 selling 1 server in tower case with 2x 2.8ghz xeons 8gb ecc ram 160gb sata drive dvd drive; 5 yubikeys new in black or white; 1 sapphire 5970 [12:05]
Joric i meant how much does single haircat cost [12:06]
`g a5m0: prices ? [12:06]
Joric 'In finance, a haircut is a percentage that is subtracted from the market value of an asset that is being used as collateral.' [12:07]
Joric oh, that one [12:07]
mircea_popescu :p [12:07]
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Joric i thought they made it a part of the tourism business [12:08]
Joric like, every tourist has to get a $1000 haircat [12:09]
`g haircat is hairy [12:09]
Coolty http://www.69megabytes.com/img/i/DckpEoAwEATArwT9qA2k2gUCkEVmjC.jpg [12:10]
* `g lies this [12:14]
`g likes* [12:14]
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a5m0 'g [12:30]
a5m0 `g, i'm taking best offers [12:30]
a5m0 `g, looking for $20 for yubikeys $150+ for server [12:31]
a5m0 what are you interested in? [12:31]
`g yubikeys [12:32]
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shakaru hi [12:33]
shakaru I need a VPN. [12:33]
coingenuity `g: he's got one up for auction for 3btc right now in #bitcoin-auctions [12:33]
shakaru Can any one sell me one? [12:33]
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SERPENTINEZ BRUSKER = SCAMEER [12:54]
SERPENTINEZ BEWARE [12:54]
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coingenuity :) [12:54]
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lordcyfer Hi everybody [13:03]
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coingenuity sup lordcyfer [13:04]
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lordcyfer ;;sell "4 months VPN Account @ b-anonym.net" at 3 btc "send a mail at admin@b-anonym.net for the deal" [13:05]
lordcyfer ;;sell "2 weeks VPN Account @ b-anonym.net" at 0.5 btc "send a mail at admin@b-anonym.net for the deal" [13:06]
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lordcyfer I am dealing VPN service account [13:09]
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SpeedBus Heyy [13:19]
SpeedBus lol.. no one here ? [13:21]
SpeedBus :p [13:21]
lordcyfer Yes i am [13:23]
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mircea_popescu sooo... did astana get scammed ? [13:47]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: No fucking clue and I don't give a shit. ;) [13:48]
Graet who knows, he yells "scammer" easily and acts like a scammer himself ;) [13:48]
vragnaroda He doesn't belong in here if he's going to behave the way he has lately. [13:48]
mircea_popescu guy seems more like a high level parody [13:48]
Graet ^^ [13:48]
Graet hehe [13:48]
mircea_popescu ahaha romanian president just told putin to gtfo. [13:57]
mircea_popescu i like this guy. [13:57]
a5m0 So_stupid/astana is.... so stupid and annoying and always going on about people in otc not being legit etc etc, i do not recommend trusting [14:02]
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vragnaroda mircea_popescu: You like the Romanian president? [14:05]
mircea_popescu yea. [14:05]
vragnaroda :/ [14:06]
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Joric did putin answer something to romanian president yet? [14:07]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I have to hate you, now. [14:07]
mircea_popescu i thought you hated me all along. [14:07]
mircea_popescu why now ? [14:07]
vragnaroda I don't know anything about the guy other than that he's a politician, but that's enough to mean he's not to be liked. [14:08]
mircea_popescu joric : not yet. prolly next week. [14:08]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda i don't like him in the sense of bedding him. i like him among his set. [14:08]
mircea_popescu if you say you like a basketball player that doesn't mean you like him on your hashbrowns does it. [14:08]
vragnaroda lol [14:09]
Joric i didn't even know romania has a president thought they have czar or something [14:09]
vragnaroda Joric: Where are you from? [14:10]
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Joric prague [14:10]
vragnaroda OK, you can continue to think that; you're Yuropean. [14:10]
Joric the proper spelling is european [14:12]
mircea_popescu lmao. the czechs are speaking a diff tune when they need the support of romanian votes in the ec. [14:12]
mircea_popescu seeing how we have about 500 times more. [14:12]
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mircea_popescu not being... you know, the size of anchorage. [14:13]
Joric idk what's wrong with putin he seems ok [14:14]
vragnaroda Joric: No, the proper spelling is Yuropean. [14:15]
vragnaroda European is an acceptable alternative, but not when pejorativizing. [14:15]
mircea_popescu putin seems ok ? [14:20]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Joric has been smoking crack; disregard him. [14:22]
Joric he got 62% on last presidental elections 5 days ago, didn't even need a second round [14:22]
vragnaroda Oh fuck. [14:22]
vragnaroda That must mean he's awesome! [14:22]
* mircea_popescu is without words. [14:22]
vragnaroda Joric: PROTIP: Voters are, on average, retarded. [14:22]
mircea_popescu yea. voters are retarded especially if you kill a few of the more vocal oposition, just in case. [14:23]
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mircea_popescu i have an ideea... maybe now that he's done with cecenia and georgia [14:23]
mircea_popescu he could solve all of prague's problems too [14:23]
btctrader22 ;;gpg eregister btctrader22 A27C926408464DA0 [14:23]
vragnaroda Regarding Georgia, I think everyone involved was wrong with that one. [14:23]
mircea_popescu i agree. nevertheless, when everyone's wrong the use of force is stupid. [14:24]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Is cecenia Chechnya? [14:24]
mircea_popescu yea [14:24]
mircea_popescu guy has been getting 2/3 votes for what, 20 years now ? [14:25]
mircea_popescu he could be the next kim jong. maybe he could reform the calendar [14:25]
mircea_popescu o wait, VRAGNARODA!!! HE COULD FIX PHONETICS TOO! [14:25]
Joric most probably 12 years, he changed the constitution [14:26]
Joric but no more [14:26]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: rofl [14:26]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/12/03/err2/pic2.png [14:26]
mircea_popescu also important : i find it bothersome that g keeps varying with your position on the globe [14:26]
mircea_popescu maybe it could be standardised if putin gets another prime minister term in 2016. [14:27]
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vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Perhaps he can fix π. [14:27]
mircea_popescu ya pi has been broken for a while. [14:27]
Joric he didn't expect it himself http://andreasmoser.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/putin-crying.jpg [14:28]
mircea_popescu that pic makes me think of hosni mubarak. [14:28]
mircea_popescu when anwar sadat was killed [14:28]
mircea_popescu by unidentified lone gunmen, at a parade. [14:29]
Joric 'hosni mubarak cries' Did you mean: hosni mubarak crimes [14:31]
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mircea_popescu well you've got to have been there. no pix. [14:34]
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SpeedBus hey [14:50]
SpeedBus .r [14:50]
SpeedBus whats the command to get the latest USD/BTC rate from Gribble ? [14:50]
Dark_Apostrophe ;;bc,mtgox [14:50]
SpeedBus ;;bc,mtgox [14:51]
btctrader22 ;;bc,mtgox [14:51]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":4.94,"low":4.753,"avg":4.863440408,"vwap":4.854018939,"vol":39134,"last_all":4.81903,"last_local":4.81903,"last":4.81903,"buy":4.81903,"sell":4.81904}} [14:51]
SpeedBus Thanks :D [14:51]
SpeedBus hmm 2 days since its hit $5/btc in sell rate [14:52]
SpeedBus :/ [14:52]
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SpeedBus whats vwap ? [14:53]
coingenuity volume weighted average price [14:54]
SpeedBus ah [14:54]
SpeedBus hey coingenuity :P [14:54]
coingenuity hai SpeedBus [14:54]
SpeedBus :D [14:55]
coingenuity caught me on my way to bed ;) [14:55]
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SpeedBus haha :D [14:56]
coingenuity vragnaroda: your hostmask block on asatana is messing with different users, should make it more specific [14:57]
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mircea_popescu http://blockchain.info/tx-index/3213882/5246b35bf68882f3606a0e310fb7c7d3516f4a84b2332d0219a65138d8939318 [15:11]
mircea_popescu anyone could guess why such an old transaction has not propagated yet ? [15:11]
Graet nice ip [15:12]
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Joric it's satoshi himself [15:14]
SpeedBus :O [15:14]
SpeedBus lol.. look at that map [15:14]
SpeedBus It shows the IP in the middle of the ocean (kinda) [15:14]
Joric a secret island [15:14]
SpeedBus who's national currency is Bitcoin :D [15:15]
SpeedBus and is the richest country [15:15]
SpeedBus Estimated Confirmation time Unknown / Never [15:15]
SpeedBus hehe [15:15]
SpeedBus Estimated BTC Transacted 0.00000001 BTC [15:15]
SpeedBus hehehehe [15:15]
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SpeedBus how did you transfer that much ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu is it in an orphaned block or wtf ?! [15:16]
SpeedBus lol.. it takes me fees [15:16]
SpeedBus 0.0005 :( [15:16]
mircea_popescu i didn't do it, it's part of thie get free bitcoins thing im running. [15:16]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.0 << there. [15:16]
SpeedBus +mircea_popescu possible, it may be orphaned [15:16]
SpeedBus but the amount also looks quiet less [15:17]
Joric the country where everybody's ip is 127.0.0.1 [15:17]
SpeedBus ahaha :p [15:17]
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SpeedBus 169552 [15:18]
SpeedBus is teh block number [15:18]
SpeedBus Relayed by Lativia [15:18]
SpeedBus Relayed by ip 217.145.215.100 (whois) [15:18]
SpeedBus :/ [15:18]
SpeedBus Included in blocks 169552 (2012-03-04 04:14:27 +51 minutes) [15:18]
SpeedBus ? [15:18]
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SpeedBus thats odd [15:18]
SpeedBus reset block chain on your client ? [15:19]
SpeedBus +mircea_popescu how come no fees was taken ? :( :( [15:19]
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SpeedBus :/ [15:21]
mircea_popescu wel;l depends on imput age i think [15:22]
SpeedBus hmm.. ? [15:22]
SpeedBus I have been reading a lot on the fees, but never understood it :( [15:22]
mircea_popescu im not too sure myself [15:22]
SpeedBus I get charged 0.0001 on MultiBit [15:23]
Joric SpeedBus, they are truly random [15:23]
SpeedBus and 0.0005 on the satoshi client [15:23]
SpeedBus :/ [15:23]
SpeedBus +Joric :( [15:23]
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SpeedBus So I use MultiBit :( [15:23]
Joric SpeedBus, i proposed to tie them to a current difficulty but sipa said it's not reliable enough [15:23]
SpeedBus Joric :/ [15:23]
SpeedBus What if all the blocks get over [15:23]
SpeedBus how would the transactions pass along ? [15:24]
SpeedBus like transactions are included in blocks right ? [15:24]
SpeedBus if there were no blocks to mine ? [15:24]
SpeedBus then ? [15:24]
SpeedBus Thats the question of the week in my head ^^ [15:24]
Graet huh? [15:25]
Graet there is no bitcoin without block [15:25]
SpeedBus but teh number of blocks are limited right ? [15:25]
Graet you are maybe confusing block rewards [15:25]
SpeedBus yeh [15:25]
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Joric they depend of the age of coins somehow, and you can't send 'dust' without a fee (for now it's an amount smaller than 0.01 btc) [15:25]
SpeedBus so when the reward blocks get over, only transactions pass in them ? [15:25]
Graet the network linits "on average" to 1 every 10mins [15:25]
SpeedBus oh [15:26]
SpeedBus meh,, stupid me [15:26]
SpeedBus :/ [15:26]
Graet :) [15:26]
Joric tying fees to difficulty seems logical, it's the only variable that more or less reflects the activity of the network [15:28]
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SpeedBus Joric yeah thats true, plus its fair [15:29]
SpeedBus random fees is like luck [15:29]
SpeedBus sometimes it kicks you in your balls, sometimes it gets you a hot chick to sleep with ;) [15:29]
SpeedBus meh what i said above ^^ [15:31]
mircea_popescu hot chicks are people too. [15:32]
SpeedBus yepp :D [15:33]
SpeedBus mircea_popescu : Maby resetting the block chain would help ? [15:33]
mircea_popescu how am i going to reset the block chain ?! [15:34]
SpeedBus hmm.. there was a command :/ [15:34]
SpeedBus bitcoin.exe - something [15:34]
SpeedBus :( [15:34]
Joric SpeedBus, for now they're just trying to make fees big enough to get rid of spam so they mostly depend of current BTCUSD exchange rate [15:35]
SpeedBus Joric but I dont understand, if the currency is divisible by 8 (8 decimal places) why call 0.000001 Spam ? [15:35]
Joric because it's too cheap to spam the hell out of the bitcoin network [15:36]
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SpeedBus Joric : hmm.. but we'r paying fees right ? well, :/ [15:36]
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SpeedBus anyways, hope it changes soon to something better :D [15:38]
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SpeedBus Your idea of attaching it to the difficulty sounds goood :D [15:38]
Joric http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOtoujYOWw0 "can he live a normal life? No, he'll be an engineer" [15:40]
SpeedBus Hope they switch to it [15:40]
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kakobrekla !ping [15:59]
Mkaysi pong [15:59]
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Joric http://www.thebitcoinreview.com/images/bitsZhoutonged.png [16:07]
Joric my long got zhoutonged too! [16:08]
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Joric did you know, more users are joining the Silk Road Forums than the Bitcointalk Forums [16:11]
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Joric http://www.thebitcoinreview.com [16:12]
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Lunaqus hi [17:12]
mcorlett ;;seen benne [17:13]
gribble benne was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 36 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: or did they just remove the warning :) [17:13]
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[imsaguy] so. quiet. in. here. [17:32]
[imsaguy] oh thats right, astana got banned again [17:32]
Graet irc generally seems to be atm [17:33]
Graet even the non freenode ones i'm on lol [17:33]
g04 it's saturday morning lol [17:33]
g04 for me at least [17:33]
g04 but hell im awake and i just went to bed 4 hours ago [17:34]
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Graet ;;tell x0Jakeyboy0x guide [17:43]
Graet ;;ident x0Jakeyboy0x [17:44]
gribble Nick 'x0Jakeyboy0x', with hostmask 'x0Jakeyboy0x!4bb7a43c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.183.164.60', is identified as user x0Jakeyboy0x, with GPG key id 14B65479D581B0FA, and key fingerprint 6928A0974881DC2873DD6C3D14B65479D581B0FA. [17:44]
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Graet any ops awake can tell x0Jakeyboy0x why he cant voice? he's idented etc [17:46]
imsaguy ;;gpg info x0Jakeyboy0x [17:46]
gribble User 'x0Jakeyboy0x', with keyid 14B65479D581B0FA and fingerprint 6928A0974881DC2873DD6C3D14B65479D581B0FA, registered on Fri Mar 9 14:57:50 2012. Currently authenticated from hostmask x0Jakeyboy0x!4bb7a43c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.183.164.60 [17:46]
mcorlett You need to be here for at least a day. [17:46]
imsaguy he hasn't been registered for a day [17:46]
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Graet ahh [17:46]
imsaguy and anyone not auth'd cant talk atm [17:46]
g04 that explains it [17:46]
g04 ;;gpg info g04 [17:47]
gribble User 'g04', with keyid 7A0EBCD4C3C6E55D and fingerprint 1C09F355AECB526FE0CBCA4A7A0EBCD4C3C6E55D, registered on Thu Mar 8 22:59:47 2012. Currently authenticated from hostmask g04!~g04@fedora/xl4nothing [17:47]
imsaguy x0Jakeyboy0x: if you download a real irc client, you'll be able to talk. [17:47]
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g04 anyone in need of a brand new trendnet 24 port poe switch lol? [17:50]
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Lunaqus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ Anyone who can form an opinion of this please message me, thanks.. [17:53]
Graet trendnet eh? gigabit or 10/100? [17:53]
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danieldaniel omgeh i is bored [18:27]
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vragnaroda danieldaniel: Should I make you unbored? [18:28]
danieldaniel no :( [18:28]
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DeLorean719 do my laundry? (: [18:28]
vragnaroda Ooh, yeah, that works. [18:28]
vragnaroda danieldaniel: Come do my laundry. [18:28]
danieldaniel vragnaroda: I'm not going anywhere near your house [18:28]
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DeLorean719 score [18:29]
DeLorean719 sounds like I'm getting my laundry done [18:29]
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vragnaroda DeLorean719: Let me know when that's done. [18:29]
DeLorean719 sure [18:30]
vragnaroda danieldaniel: Thanks, dude. [18:30]
danieldaniel vragnaroda: you probably rubbed shit all over it [18:30]
DeLorean719 lmk when the transaction goes through to release your clothing [18:30]
vragnaroda danieldaniel: lol [18:30]
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reeses Lunaqus: where da water come from??? [18:31]
kakobrekla from the clouds daaa! [18:32]
danieldaniel vragnaroda: will I get kicked if I say "freeh moneh pl0xeh"? [18:32]
danieldaniel *hides* [18:32]
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danieldaniel :( [18:32]
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danieldaniel *quietly cries to himself* [18:33]
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danieldaniel ;;voiceme [18:33]
danieldaniel ;;voiceme [18:33]
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danieldaniel vragnaroda: once is enough lol [18:34]
danieldaniel omgehcoolbeans [18:34]
danieldaniel my moneh came [18:34]
danieldaniel i was waiting so long for it [18:34]
Bigpiggy01Mining Anybody looking for a bunch of 6950s @ 185 USD shipped? [18:35]
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x0Jakeyboy0x can i talk yet? [18:36]
x0Jakeyboy0x thank goodness [18:36]
* danieldaniel silencex x0Jakeyboy0x [18:36]
danieldaniel silences* [18:37]
x0Jakeyboy0x Selling $495 MoneyPak for BTC! Anyone? [18:37]
rawrmage vragnaroda: pony [18:37]
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danieldaniel rawrmage: ponie [18:37]
jine rg: Do you know wtf this is? [18:37]
rawrmage :) [18:37]
jine rg: http://x.jine.se/irc.png [18:37]
danieldaniel omgeh! My bit coin deposit went throughzor [18:38]
x0Jakeyboy0x How do yall go about getting Bitcoins? Seems to be very difficult. [18:41]
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danieldaniel anyone wanna buy btc for dwolla? My btc is shiny! [18:43]
chk dwolla is a trap [18:43]
danieldaniel chk: ohrly [18:43]
chk yup [18:44]
chk didnt you read the news [18:44]
danieldaniel oh, right [18:44]
danieldaniel that news [18:44]
chk lawsuit against them currently [18:44]
chk lol [18:44]
danieldaniel well if anyone wants to do a wire transfer, I could do that too [18:44]
danieldaniel but i doubt that XD [18:44]
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chk heh [18:45]
danieldaniel well, maybe; since my btc is extra shiny [18:45]
chk trye [18:45]
chk true* [18:45]
danieldaniel I mean [18:45]
chk how come you dont just sell on mtgox? [18:45]
danieldaniel I can't use mtgox [18:45]
danieldaniel :( [18:45]
danieldaniel i is 17 [18:45]
danieldaniel when i is 18, i can has use mtgox [18:45]
candlepin i signed up with a fake id i downloaded from google images [18:45]
chk how do they verify age? [18:45]
chk i never had to verify anything [18:46]
chk i just made an account and trade [18:46]
danieldaniel chk: They can freeze my account I think [18:46]
chk ive traded over 100 btc with no kind of verification [18:46]
Cory They could... [18:46]
Cory But Dwolla probably has similar terms. [18:46]
chk then just make a new account [18:47]
chk each time you trade [18:47]
chk idk [18:47]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long till people set up a collective identity [18:47]
rawrmage this is why -otc is better than mtgox [18:47]
rawrmage down with the man [18:47]
mircea_popescu with bank accts, pictures and everything [18:47]
chk then it will be paypal v2 [18:47]
chk lol [18:47]
mircea_popescu could be like Random J. Internetperson [18:48]
mircea_popescu citizen of ~85 diff states [18:48]
mircea_popescu hundreds of bank accts etc. [18:48]
Cory If I were MtGox I'd put a clause in my ToS restricting use to 18+ too. [18:48]
chk man [18:48]
chk i want free market [18:48]
chk any age [18:48]
chk any amount for exchange [18:48]
Cory Me too. :) [18:48]
chk gogogo [18:48]
rawrmage Cory: but why [18:49]
rawrmage that's ageist! [18:49]
x0Jakeyboy0x indeed' [18:49]
danieldaniel so yeah, someone buy meh bitcoins [18:49]
Cory It is, but MtGox can't operate without it. [18:49]
mircea_popescu gotta infilitrate them to subvert them as it were. [18:50]
chk bitcoin isnt some big company like paypal [18:50]
chk i dont want mtgox having my drivers license on file [18:50]
chk lol [18:50]
chk they will get hacked tomorrow [18:50]
chk again :P [18:51]
Cory AML laws require it. :( [18:51]
Cory You think they want to, as a business, require IDs and isolate customers? [18:52]
mircea_popescu cory : i kinda think they do, yes. [18:52]
Cory I wouldn't. :P [18:52]
candlepin mtgox = honeypot + id theft ring rolled into one [18:52]
Cory And a bucketshop. [18:53]
rasengan Can't people who are under 18 still use services if their parent/guardian accepts the ToS and supervises their dependent/child's usage? [18:53]
chk mtgox is fed [18:54]
chk true story [18:54]
splatster_ chk: No. [18:54]
rasengan chk: Not true. :o [18:54]
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chk im paranoid [18:54]
chk you can slap me [18:54]
chk but i have heard accusations :P [18:54]
candlepin gox routinely reports "suspicious" transactions to the feds [18:54]
rasengan I'd rather do the opposite of slap, and be pals. ;) [18:54]
splatster chk: That doesn't mean you have to spread your crap. [18:54]
sturles Best trade so far today: Bought 1.0 BTC at 0.02366 LRUSD per BTC for a total of 0.02366 LRUSD [18:55]
chk splatster [18:55]
splatster And I will have gribble slap you. [18:55]
sturles So far ever, in fact.. [18:55]
chk look at what candlepin said [18:55]
rawrmage sturles: haha [18:55]
chk i have heard the same [18:55]
splatster ;;slap chk [18:55]
splatster damnit [18:55]
chk dat bot access [18:55]
candlepin certain mechants fall over themselves to become chummy with the feds - they think it will protect them from being shutdown or being seen as facilitating crime [18:55]
rawrmage ;;hug chk [18:55]
* gribble hugs chk [18:55]
splatster ;;voiceme [18:55]
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chk dawwww [18:55]
splatster ;;slap chk [18:55]
* gribble slaps chk with a snaky tubulet [18:55]
chk ;__; [18:56]
splatster You guys are insane, gox is no honeypot. [18:56]
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chk are you an employee? lol [18:56]
rasengan chk: The people at Mt. Gox are really good people. :o [18:56]
candlepin *gox* the check is in the mail [18:56]
splatster ;;action bitchslaps chk until he shuts his filthy trap. [18:56]
* gribble bitchslaps chk until he shuts his filthy trap. [18:56]
rawrmage lol [18:56]
chk damn baby girl [18:57]
chk i dont deserve that [18:57]
chk im mining so fast right now [18:57]
chk voom voom [18:57]
chk here in latvija is holiday [18:57]
OneFixt chk: it's pretty well-known that gox does not allow stolen coins to be sold there, that's not news [18:57]
chk lets be nice [18:57]
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chk OneFixt - splatster never defined what 'suspicious' coins were :p [18:58]
mircea_popescu good reason not to trade with mtgox, onefixt [18:58]
OneFixt mircea_popescu: depends on your trading [18:58]
mircea_popescu the ideea that some coins are "different" is anathema. [18:58]
OneFixt well, i should rephrase [18:58]
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OneFixt mtgox will assist in finding the people who stole the coins - they will not punish those who end up with them accidentally [18:59]
candlepin its not like gox really does fraud checking - they just have to send a certain # of tx to LE every month, to appear to be compliant [18:59]
mircea_popescu problem with the rephrase is that i have to trust mtgox. [18:59]
OneFixt candlepin: show your source [18:59]
candlepin "see were complying with the law and reporting bad guys!!" [18:59]
OneFixt mircea_popescu: you have to trust any exchange' [18:59]
mircea_popescu kinda why i like otc [18:59]
mircea_popescu i prefer to trust what i trust [19:00]
mircea_popescu rather than what i "have to" trust [19:00]
OneFixt mircea_popescu: that's fine, but it's no reason for people to complain that an exchange is centralized - just don't use it [19:00]
mircea_popescu no, don't use it AND complain it's centralized. [19:00]
mircea_popescu the point is to definitively and irrecuperably blow up any centralisation [19:00]
mircea_popescu along with the possibility for it. [19:00]
OneFixt that doesn't help us keep a friendly atmosphere here, and it discourages those who would make good use of mtgox [19:00]
OneFixt so please don't overdo it or i'll have to clean up [19:00]
mircea_popescu well i agree politics doesn't really belong in -otc [19:00]
chk lets get drunk [19:01]
chk latvijan holiday [19:01]
chk ejejejej [19:01]
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mircea_popescu seems you started a few hours ago lol [19:01]
chk ahh jap :D [19:01]
candlepin "As a company handling Bitcoins, it is not our intention of doing anything illegal," Karpeles said via email on Tuesday. "We sent a letter to the Drug Enforcement Administration to address this issue." [19:02]
OneFixt candlepin: yes, if you are doing something illegal in your jurisdiction, don't use mtgox [19:02]
OneFixt also don't use the CME, the Bank of America, etc. [19:03]
OneFixt this is pretty obvious [19:03]
chk ^ true shit [19:03]
OneFixt but for those who like to daytrade and/or pay taxes on their btc gains, mtgox is a good deal [19:03]
candlepin mtgox has no idea if any suspicious activity is illegal or not [19:03]
OneFixt that's speculation on your part [19:04]
candlepin but they are required to report it to law enforcement nonetheless. they consider using "Tor" to be suspicious [19:04]
mircea_popescu the point that there's room for everyone is quite sound. [19:04]
candlepin its not speculation it's the law [19:04]
chk i like mtgox because i can get instant Liberty Reserve [19:04]
chk find me another place like that and ill use it lol [19:04]
mircea_popescu there should be a full spectrum of services, and mtgox is choosing to be the soft side. [19:04]
candlepin "Also please note that using services like TOR, VPN, or any public networks where more than one user have a shared IP address(Public school, University...) will automatically trigger an level 1 AML request" [19:04]
Cory <+OneFixt> chk: it's pretty well-known that gox does not allow stolen coins to be sold there, that's not news [19:05]
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Cory I thought they did. [19:05]
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chk i have been using VPN on mtgox [19:05]
chk for a very long time [19:05]
chk never had a single problem [19:05]
chk hundreds of coins exchanged [19:05]
OneFixt the point of this all is that mtgox is open about what they report - potentially anything - and people should act accordingly [19:06]
OneFixt it's exactly the same as any "real-world" exchange or msb [19:06]
OneFixt the majority of users should not haver a problem with it [19:06]
OneFixt and the rest should be aware enough of what's going on to avoid it [19:06]
candlepin yeah thats why i gave them a bogus ID [19:07]
x0Jakeyboy0x Selling $495 MoneyPak for BTC! [19:08]
chk lol candlepin [19:09]
chk i think candlepin understands me :D [19:09]
candlepin http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/m/mclovin-12315.jpg [19:09]
chk i dont even have 2 open it [19:10]
chk i know its the legend id [19:10]
candlepin haha [19:10]
chk LOOOL [19:10]
chk i love it [19:10]
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mircea_popescu im so curious about these bfl things [19:11]
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mircea_popescu they could completely change mining [19:11]
chk bfl? [19:12]
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candlepin fpgas [19:13]
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mircea_popescu yea this kinda mysterious corp that sells some larger fpgas [19:16]
androSnake hi, im searching for bitcoins, i have moneybookers or paysafecard [19:16]
mircea_popescu they're expensive but not too expensive, stil lthey ship slowly. [19:16]
mircea_popescu androsnake : identify with gribble [19:16]
androSnake i dont have feedbacks [19:16]
mircea_popescu ;;ident androsnake [19:16]
gribble Nick 'androsnake', with hostmask 'androSnake!~jhfkmuzj@089144206192.atnat0015.highway.a1.net', is not identified. [19:16]
androSnake i dont must identify [19:17]
androSnake i dont trade [19:17]
androSnake i only buy [19:17]
bougyman hah, i only mine and sell [19:18]
bougyman ;;ident bougyman [19:18]
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androSnake bougyman [19:18]
androSnake do you accept moneybookery or paysafecard € ? [19:18]
androSnake ;;ident bougyman [19:19]
bougyman i don't know any of those. [19:19]
androSnake oh ok [19:19]
bougyman ;;getrating bougyman [19:19]
gribble User bougyman, created on Thu Jun 23 10:38:51 2011. Cumulative rating 7, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 4 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bougyman Currently authenticated from hostmask bougyman!bougyman@pdpc/supporter/gold/bougyman [19:19]
androSnake what du you accept [19:19]
androSnake 4 positiv lol [19:19]
androSnake go away ;D [19:19]
bougyman cash [19:19]
androSnake euro ? [19:19]
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mircea_popescu lmao he doesn't trade, he only buys. [19:22]
androSnake oh ok [19:23]
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Zarutian out of curiousity: anyone here accepting ISK->BTC? (Icelandic Krona to Bitcoin) [19:26]
Mad7Scientist vragnaroda sets mode +q #bitcoin-court $~a [19:26]
Mad7Scientist vragnaroda, what does that do quiet anyone who isn't verified by IDENT? [19:26]
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androSnake ;;IDENT GAMAMB [19:27]
vragnaroda Mad7Scientist: That means quiet anyone that's not identified with NickServ. [19:27]
vragnaroda There was a batshit insane person in here last night. [19:28]
Mad7Scientist I thought that was +E or something [19:28]
androSnake ;;ident gamamb [19:28]
Zarutian vragnaroda: guanoeaters is such people are often called elsewhere [19:28]
mircea_popescu For sale: baby shoes, never worn. [19:28]
vragnaroda It depends on the particular ircd. [19:28]
vragnaroda Zarutian: Please rephrase that in English. [19:28]
Mad7Scientist It's english with foreign grammar [19:29]
gamamb ;;ident [19:29]
gribble You are identified as user gamambel, with GPG key id E18FC562484DC500, and key fingerprint 862B5DF0329E7662C6E16DE6E18FC562484DC500. [19:29]
gamamb ;;getrating gamambel [19:29]
gribble User gamambel, created on Sun Mar 4 11:23:23 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=gamambel Currently authenticated from hostmask gamamb!~torsrvrs@anonymizer1.torservers.net [19:29]
rawrmage are you like gammag [19:29]
Zarutian vragnaroda: batshit insane persons are often called guanoeaters in other places. [19:29]
Mad7Scientist torservers.net heh [19:30]
gamamb Mad7Scientist: hi :) [19:30]
rawrmage < Zarutian> vragnaroda: batshit insane persons are often called guarantors in other places. ← what I read [19:30]
chk lol guanoeaters [19:31]
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androSnake ;;ident ;ad7Scientist [19:31]
x0Jakeyboy0x Selling $495 Moneypak to BTC! I can also do paypal. [19:31]
rawrmage let's all say ,,echo(pony) [19:31]
gribble (echo ) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately. [19:31]
androSnake ;;ident Mad7Scientist [19:31]
rawrmage let's all say (,,echo pony) [19:31]
gribble (echo ) -- Returns the arguments given it. Uses our standard substitute on the string(s) given to it; $nick (or $who), $randomNick, $randomInt, $botnick, $channel, $user, $host, $today, $now, and $randomDate are all handled appropriately. [19:31]
vragnaroda Zarutian: OK, well, I speak English and forming a closed compound from guano and eater strikes me as extremely odd. [19:31]
rawrmage let's all say ,,(echo pony) [19:31]
gribble pony [19:31]
androSnake ;;getrating Mad7Scientist [19:32]
Cory Zarutian: I've never seen ISK. :O [19:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x echo $randomInt [19:32]
Mad7Scientist what is wrong with gribble [19:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;echo $randomInt [19:32]
gribble -345 [19:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;echo $randomInt [19:32]
gribble 106 [19:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x ;;echo $randomInt [19:32]
gribble -119 [19:32]
Mad7Scientist ;;ident mad7scientist [19:32]
gribble Nick 'mad7scientist', with hostmask 'Mad7Scientist!~re@AntiLiberal-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net', is identified as user Mad7Scientist, with GPG key id 3FC4656BE45D6C89, and key fingerprint 89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89. [19:32]
x0Jakeyboy0x hmm [19:32]
androSnake Mad7 please identify yourselve [19:32]
rawrmage ;;echo I love you, $randomNick [19:32]
gribble I love you, elmom [19:32]
Zarutian vragnaroda: English is my second language. Compound words are very common in my native tounge. [19:32]
androSnake i want to see your feedbacks [19:32]
chk Zarutian spanish? [19:32]
androSnake then i want to ask you can i trust the user gamambel [19:32]
Mad7Scientist ;;getrating mad7scientist [19:32]
gribble User Mad7Scientist, created on Fri May 13 16:20:48 2011. Cumulative rating 54, from 36 total ratings. Received ratings: 36 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 43 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Mad7Scientist Currently authenticated from hostmask Mad7Scientist!~re@AntiLiberal-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [19:32]
chk isrealllllll [19:33]
androSnake can i trust the user gamambel [19:33]
androSnake ? [19:33]
androSnake @mad7 [19:33]
vragnaroda Zarutian: Compounds are extremely common in English. There're differences between open and closed compounds, though. [19:33]
Mad7Scientist androSnake, no more than $10 [19:33]
androSnake ok thx [19:33]
Zarutian Cory: damn. I wanted to see if I could trade the local currency to BTC. [19:33]
bitcoinTrader ;;getrating x0Jakeyboy0x [19:33]
rawrmage ;;rate $randomNick 1 random [19:33]
rawrmage ;;rate $randomNick 1 random [19:33]
rawrmage ;;rate $randomNick 1 random [19:33]
rawrmage CMON [19:33]
x0Jakeyboy0x hey trader [19:33]
rawrmage ;;rate $randomNick 1 random [19:33]
Zarutian chk: naah, Icelandic. [19:33]
bitcoinTrader hi [19:34]
chk word [19:34]
rawrmage can we do ,,(rate gribble 10 inline ratings)? [19:34]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user gribble has been recorded. [19:34]
androSnake mad7+ [19:34]
vragnaroda Open compounds like “guano eater” (or “guano-eater”) are indicated in speech by changes in pitch; closed compounds like “batshit” are indicated by stress. [19:34]
rawrmage wow [19:34]
Mad7Scientist ;;rate $randomNick 1 one random rating [19:34]
androSnake are u a seller ? [19:34]
Zarutian vragnaroda: Well one lives and learns. [19:34]
Mad7Scientist ;;getrating [ident androSnake] [19:34]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated. [19:34]
androSnake im new [19:34]
androSnake want to buy BTC with moneybookers or paysfaecard (with voucher) [19:35]
Cory Zarutian: I could sell you 1 BTC for some in the mail, but I'm not interested in them for their monetary value. [19:35]
gamambel androSnake: feel free to look up my gpg key. i am here with my real name and my project's reputation. [19:35]
vragnaroda Zarutian: Icelandic, I'm told, is more similar to Old English than just about any other language. [19:35]
kakobrekla androSnake: #bitcoin-otc-eu [19:35]
Zarutian Cory: Only for the nuemancy value? (That is currency collectors value) [19:35]
androSnake what is thsi kako ? [19:35]
kakobrekla its a friggin chan [19:35]
Cory Zarutian: I guess. Though I don't consider myself a currency-collector. [19:36]
Mad7Scientist numismatic proof bitcoin $15!!! Cory! [19:36]
Mad7Scientist first year! [19:36]
Mad7Scientist Anyway so you just want a bitcoin to say that you have a bitcoin [19:36]
Zarutian vragnaroda: well, I can figgure out old english if I have time to figgure out the origin and evolution of the meaning of the words. It is as hard as reading old icelandic. [19:37]
Cory And I just want some ISK so I can say that I have some ISK. :) [19:37]
vragnaroda Yeah, I'm talking about grammar, not the actual lexicon. ;) [19:37]
chk i want ak47 [19:37]
chk willing to buy with bitcoin [19:37]
vragnaroda Zarutian: Also, sorry; the French fucked up our language pretty bad (like they do everything else). [19:38]
Zarutian chk: checked Dark Road or Silk Road? [19:38]
chk Zarutian its a joke [19:38]
androSnake lol [19:38]
androSnake scammers! [19:38]
vragnaroda Why would you joke about that? [19:38]
chk scammer is my middle name [19:38]
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chk because im drunk and on holiday [19:38]
chk why not [19:39]
vragnaroda That's a reasonable request and there was no indication it was a joke. [19:39]
chk you are a bit [19:39]
x0Jakeyboy0x anyone play eve online? [19:39]
chk uptight [19:39]
chk bro [19:39]
chk heard of it jake but never played [19:39]
vragnaroda What's funny about it? [19:39]
Bosma Sort of. Training skills only [19:39]
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x0Jakeyboy0x i see [19:40]
chk vragnaroda i forget what you are talking about [19:40]
vragnaroda chk: How is saying you want to buy something (that you don't really want to buy) funny? [19:41]
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vragnaroda There ought to be more weapons sold on here, actually. [19:43]
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SpeedBus Heyy [19:43]
DELTA9 does anybody want to trade bitcoin for moneypak? [19:43]
x0Jakeyboy0x i am selling a moneypak [19:44]
DELTA9 i need btc [19:44]
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x0Jakeyboy0x ah i see [19:44]
x0Jakeyboy0x same boat [19:44]
vragnaroda Fight. [19:44]
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SpeedBus lol [19:45]
SpeedBus Round 1, Fight. [19:45]
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SpeedBus Hey vragnaroda [19:47]
SpeedBus Selling CrownCloud 4 GB Backup + Online Desktop - 0.01 BTC for the 1st month [19:48]
mcorlett Does anyone have experience in wording double-spending attacks in legalese? [19:49]
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splatster mcorlett: gox might be of some help [19:54]
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DELTA9 how do i encrypt a message to send to someone on silk road??? [19:55]
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ocminer anyone wants to buy 20 btc for 90 ppusd ? (thats 4.5 ppusd per btc) [19:56]
bitcoinTrader ocminer:yes [19:57]
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DELTA9 i have tried to encrpyt message with pgp but not sure if i did it right [20:02]
DELTA9 can someone help me? [20:02]
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DELTA9 does anyone know how to send message on SR? [20:07]
DELTA9 msg me please [20:08]
DELTA9 HALP [20:09]
mcorlett DELTA9: You don't have to spam. Someone will help you when they're available. [20:10]
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androSnake ;;getrating gamambel [20:14]
occulta DELTA doesnt it use GPG? [20:14]
occulta http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GPG&l=1 [20:15]
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DELTA9 what is difference? [20:15]
occulta between what? [20:15]
DELTA9 pgp and gpg [20:15]
occulta nothing [20:15]
DELTA9 haha okay [20:16]
occulta http://www.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-4.html#ss4.1 [20:16]
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danieldaniel were iz erryoen [20:23]
neofutur DELTA9: gpg is just a free software for using pgp [20:24]
androSnake want to buy BTC with paysafecard. must have >10 rating. [20:25]
x0Jakeyboy0x selling $495 moneypak for btc! [20:25]
Mad7Scientist androSnake, you can always do smaller transactions with people who have low ratings [20:26]
Graet ;;getrating androSnake [20:26]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated. [20:26]
androSnake im new [20:26]
Graet Currently not authenticated. [20:26]
androSnake ;;getrating Graet [20:26]
Graet but require >10 [20:26]
Mad7Scientist Is paysafecard reversible? [20:27]
gamambel Mad7Scientist: no [20:27]
Mad7Scientist androSnake, things like PayPal and credit cards which can have chargebacks are not preferred for sellers when the buyer has no rating [20:27]
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androSnake but everyone begins small [20:27]
gamambel Mad7Scientist: paysafecard is fine, once it is used it cannot be charged back [20:27]
androSnake no one started with much feedbacks [20:28]
androSnake yes gamgambel [20:28]
androSnake it is absulutly safe, and the voucher is not fakable [20:28]
androSnake so when u accept PSC, dont accept it without a scan of the voucher [20:28]
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Graet but nearly all started authenticalted androSnake , they didnht use "i'm new" as an excuse not to auth :) [20:28]
androSnake this can be a fake [20:28]
androSnake ok [20:28]
angusbates100 Hi [20:28]
gamambel androSnake: why would i need to see a scan? i can instantly redeem the vouchers and then give you the BTC [20:29]
gamambel androSnake: yes, get registered, then you can enjoy getting rated after a trade :) [20:29]
androSnake ok [20:29]
androSnake where can i register me ? [20:29]
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Mad7Scientist somebody give him the gpg guide [20:30]
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androSnake ;;getrating seco [20:31]
Graet ;;tell androSnake guide [20:31]
Cory ;;tell androSnake [guide] [20:31]
androSnake thanks [20:32]
androSnake have it [20:32]
angusbates100 watch this aswell androSnake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJ-GdErX1c [20:32]
androSnake sory i must safe mb [20:32]
androSnake ! [20:32]
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seco have a look on the orders guys ;) [20:33]
danieldaniel seco: what about them? [20:36]
danieldaniel oh [20:36]
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x0Jakeyboy0x Selling $495 Moneypak or Paypal for BTC [20:39]
x0Jakeyboy0x Is anyone interested in some custom professional 3d logos? [20:40]
seco there he goes, after i told him we use mtgox rates here for most trades :x [20:42]
Graet x0Jakeyboy0x, might be, i'll pm you in a few minutes [20:50]
x0Jakeyboy0x Sounds good, ill be Graet [20:50]
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mcorlett x0Jakeyboy0x: Previous work? [20:51]
g04 yah i'd like to see some stuff [20:52]
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g04 anyone interested in a puppy weimaraner for 0 BTC? [20:53]
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g04 he just LOVES to shit on the carpet [20:53]
sysbeast heheh [20:53]
sysbeast deal ^^ [20:54]
Graet postage to au g04 ? [20:54]
Graet lol [20:54]
g04 lol... depends. at this point i'd be happy to separate it into several smaller packages [20:55]
mcorlett ;;view [20:56]
gribble #7102 Wed Mar 7 05:39:38 2012 mcorlett SELL 50.0 BTC @ 4.0791 PPEUR (None) [20:56]
Graet ahahahahahaa g04 - the kids might not find that acceptable - might pass for now ;) [20:56]
g04 ;) [20:56]
g04 i love the little fella... but man that's his only downfall. you can walk him for 2 hours and he'll do his business. leave him alone for 10 minutes while you go grab a bite to eat... blam landmines [20:57]
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dissipate g04, when you buy a dog, get ready to live in shit. [20:59]
mircea_popescu well dogs aren't an indoor sorta plant. [21:00]
g04 lol that's true [21:01]
g04 i actually bought it for my mother as she had a weim we had to put to sleep half a year ago. it was a xmas present for her and she kept talking about how she wanted a new one [21:01]
g04 well i guess it brought back old memories and she told me to keep it cause it reminded her too much of her old one [21:01]
g04 he's tons of fun... when he's not leaving little surprises everywhere. unlike most weims he doesn't destroy furniture and other random objects. i guess it's just a bit of seperation anxiety that gives him the urge to poop or something [21:03]
danieldaniel someone post dub step pleasezorz [21:03]
g04 ok [21:03]
g04 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEbJ4qLiMu0 [21:04]
danieldaniel You know whats funny [21:05]
danieldaniel that is the one song [21:05]
danieldaniel That I have been listening too for the past 5 hours [21:05]
danieldaniel LMAO [21:05]
danieldaniel Nvm though, I found something [21:05]
g04 hahahah [21:05]
dirkdizzler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1O6BY49APw [21:11]
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danieldaniel i is boredzorzez [21:12]
dirkdizzler what you, what you [21:13]
dirkdizzler what you, what you [21:13]
dirkdizzler waiting for [21:13]
ne0futur is the guy running glbse here ? [21:13]
ne0futur I probably have an idea why its often down [21:13]
ne0futur https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48752.140 [21:14]
mcorlett ;;seen nefario [21:14]
gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: later [21:14]
dirkdizzler http://soundcloud.com/patrickreza/until [21:16]
dirkdizzler no more duerbstreps [21:16]
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MBS anyone want to buy a $20 lowes or $10 drugstore.com gift card, or get a hollywood movie money voucher [21:20]
x0Jakeyboy0x Buying BTC with Paypal, and selling professional 3d logos and environments. [21:22]
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mircea_popescu ne0futur : is it because his site doesn't pass w3c certification ? [21:26]
gamambel selling BTC for paysafecard and ukash. accepting BTC for tor exits. [21:27]
gamambel :) [21:27]
gamambel all your BTC purchases will go into tor bandwidth, 0% commission :] [21:30]
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ne0futur mircea_popescu: i dont think w3c validation is related with bitcoind problems [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://screenshotuploader.com/i/01/h6EqV7MBE.jpg <<< lolz [21:31]
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Greed How many here are coders? [22:01]
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kakobrekla many [22:01]
rawrmage 6.5 [22:02]
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bitcoinTrader 90%? [22:05]
x0Jakeyboy0x Looking to buy BTC with paypal! [22:06]
mircea_popescu prolly anyone capable to get voice with gribble can code at least a little. [22:08]
Graet nup [22:08]
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chk i am gr8 coder [22:14]
chk of c+- [22:14]
bitcoinTrader x0Jakeyboy0x: loggng off…. if u decide to go with tht option, drop me a PM... [22:15]
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x0Jakeyboy0x i shall [22:15]
imsaguy 42. [22:15]
smickles ;;view 7096 [22:17]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [22:17]
mcorlett smickles: What's your cut? [22:19]
MBS anyone want to buy a $20 lowes or $10 drugstore.com gift card, or get a hollywood movie money voucher [22:19]
smickles for the DR or the ETF? [22:19]
smickles mcorlett: ^ [22:20]
mcorlett smickles: ETF [22:20]
candlepin i stole some batteries from walmart [22:20]
candlepin those things are overpriced [22:20]
mircea_popescu lmao candlepin are you old ? [22:20]
candlepin im 52 [22:20]
mircea_popescu i guess you qualify. [22:21]
smickles mcorlett: 1% of gross gains [22:21]
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candlepin batteries are always a ripoff [22:21]
smickles mcorlett: it's laid out in the contract, [22:21]
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x0Jakeyboy0x buying BTC for paypal! [22:23]
candlepin im not gonna pay gouge prices just for some batteries [22:23]
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mcorlett ;;getrating x0Jakeyboy0x [22:23]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask x0Jakeyboy0x!4bb7a43c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.183.164.60 [22:23]
mcorlett x0Jakeyboy0x: ,,paypal [22:23]
gribble Many popular forms of payment, such as PayPal and credit cards, allow the sender to claw back the money via a 'chargeback'. This is very undesirable for the seller of bitcoins, so you'll often have trouble convincing people to trade on these. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Payment_methods for comparison of payment methods. [22:23]
x0Jakeyboy0x i know, but i also know they are used. I'm still working to establish some reputation [22:24]
x0Jakeyboy0x mcorlett, would you be willing to sell me $20-50 in Bitcoins? I have one good transaction on the forum with some feedback, but i know i need to do some deals on here for it to count. [22:27]
mcorlett I just got some PPEUR, so I'm not looking for more. [22:28]
mcorlett Try doing some trades that don't require trust in you to get your rating up and you'll start seeing success. [22:28]
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x0Jakeyboy0x i tried for awhile with a moneypak, but no luck. we'll see. [22:29]
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mircea_popescu if you keeop at it eventuyally you'll find someone. [22:30]
mcorlett ;;seen psy [22:30]
gribble I have not seen psy. [22:30]
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mircea_popescu so just a reminder : anyone can get one free option contract in the money. instructions here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67844.0 [22:32]
mircea_popescu offer expires tomorro. [22:32]
Cory You'd have had better luck with the MoneyPak. [22:34]
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mcorlett Cory: I think the issue is that it was a whopping $495. [22:35]
Cory You don't need to use an entire MoneyPak. [22:35]
candlepin no way am i paying for batteries [22:35]
x0Jakeyboy0x Cory, i tend to disagree, i've seen 2-3 people willing to go first and wantting paypal. but i had to let them go. now i've turned my moneypak back to paypal [22:35]
mircea_popescu ya it was a pretty big one. [22:35]
x0Jakeyboy0x mcorlett, i think you may be right [22:35]
imsaguy Cory, for everything but paypal, you do. [22:35]
Cory Yeah, but now he has PPUSD anyway. [22:36]
imsaguy Santorum won Kansas [22:36]
* Raccoon explodes into a frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter. [22:36]
candlepin oh snap [22:36]
Cory There's Raccoon. [22:36]
`g Raccoon is in teh place. [22:37]
`g i can smell it. [22:37]
x0Jakeyboy0x Thoughts on the pricing? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68155.0 [22:37]
candlepin those renderings are awesome bro [22:38]
x0Jakeyboy0x candlepin: Thank you sir. [22:38]
x0Jakeyboy0x think its a fair price? [22:38]
candlepin thats cheap [22:38]
x0Jakeyboy0x thats what i thought, but i need some customers [22:39]
candlepin most 3d work ive seen goes for like $300 / hr [22:39]
x0Jakeyboy0x yeah, im not sure if i should raise the price or not. i dont want to run off customers. [22:39]
x0Jakeyboy0x but i do want to be paid fairly [22:40]
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Raccoon build a reputation, raise price. [22:42]
BitCarpenter I'm interested in buying BTC with PayPal, and was informed #bitcoin-otc would be the best place to do so. [22:43]
mcorlett BitCarpenter: ,,paypal [22:43]
gribble Many popular forms of payment, such as PayPal and credit cards, allow the sender to claw back the money via a 'chargeback'. This is very undesirable for the seller of bitcoins, so you'll often have trouble convincing people to trade on these. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Payment_methods for comparison of payment methods. [22:43]
Raccoon it's an OK place to do so, but most people are leary of PayPal. [22:43]
MBS http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/solarsystem/ [22:44]
BitCarpenter That's understandable. [22:44]
Raccoon don't count on large qtys [22:44]
x0Jakeyboy0x Yeah, its possible, but sometimes hard. [22:44]
mcorlett BitCarpenter: May I ask who referred you? Maybe they can vouch for you? [22:44]
x0Jakeyboy0x and i think you may be right Raccon. just need to wait for some buyers i suppose. [22:44]
candlepin someone should setup a webstore selling postcars, but really they sell you btcs [22:44]
BitCarpenter No one specifically; I just found this from a forum. [22:44]
MBS you will need a notorized copy of state id, passport, social security card, a recent bill, and 2 witnesses [22:44]
x0Jakeyboy0x Raccoon** [22:44]
candlepin that way you can tell paypal there was a physical product being sold, so you can prevent chargebacks [22:44]
Raccoon BitCarpenter: my advice is if you intend to hang around long, open a Dwolla and MtGox account. [22:45]
mcorlett candlepin: Fighting the chargebacks would still be very time-consuming, and as such you'd have to raise the prices. [22:45]
Raccoon start today. it takes a while to verify [22:45]
BitCarpenter What if I were to buy, say, .5 BTC first, before moving on to larger quantities? [22:45]
mircea_popescu prolly best way [22:45]
candlepin yeah, but its a lot better than the case now where paypal wont even let you challenge a dispute on virtual goods. the payer wins every time [22:45]
Raccoon even people who slowly build up rating and trust have double-crossed in the past. [22:46]
mircea_popescu raccoon : santorum says hello. [22:46]
mcorlett BitCarpenter: The chargeback window is still up to 180 days, you can make a fortune by scamming people even if you start legitimately and with small amounts. [22:46]
BitCarpenter Raccoon: From what I've read, I can't directly move funds from my PayPal account into Dwolla or Mt. Gox. [22:46]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: that's awesome [22:46]
Graet 45-90 days for a paypal chargeback ;) [22:46]
MBS BitCarpenter, get a bank account [22:46]
mircea_popescu lol sorry, just havng fun with your bot :p [22:46]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: someone beat you :p [22:46]
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Graet depending on funding method, its a long wait to know if someone is trustworthy :) [22:46]
MBS Graet, or 180 if you do an actual chargeback instead of a dispute [22:46]
Graet there ya go, even worse ;) [22:47]
candlepin if you give paypal the proof of delivery (of your postcard or piece of cheese that youre selling) you wont lose the chargeback [22:47]
mcorlett Trust is also not only based on trades, but on community presence and activity. [22:47]
mircea_popescu trust is basically based on trust. [22:47]
MBS well for a postcard would have to send it certified [22:47]
Raccoon MBS: i like that idea. [22:48]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: Are you always so witty‽ [22:48]
mircea_popescu alternatively you could send "artwork" or something. [22:48]
MBS like i said, if you are willing to give up a bunch of personal information, im sure you could find someone to sell you BTC for paypal [22:48]
candlepin regular old ups proof of delivery is fine.. or even usps does delivery confirmation [22:48]
mircea_popescu mcorlett are you being facetious ? :D [22:48]
MBS not for a postcard :p [22:48]
BitCarpenter How much personal information? [22:48]
candlepin you put the postcard in an envelope. its a collectible [22:48]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: authenticious* [22:48]
MBS depends on person :p [22:48]
Raccoon enough information for someone to show up at your door. [22:49]
MBS ^ [22:49]
candlepin setpu an ebay store selling collectible postcards.. ppl buy, and you give them btcs under the counter [22:49]
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mircea_popescu i seriously do not understand this entire "show up at your door" bs people keep going. [22:49]
mircea_popescu its bullshit. offers no protection to anyione. [22:49]
mircea_popescu a myth, if you will. [22:49]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: nobody does, but 'enough to' is still a concern for some. [22:49]
mircea_popescu its why i think it's a bad ideea. [22:49]
mircea_popescu srsly. [22:50]
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mircea_popescu either some idiot shoots somebody, which is bad [22:50]
mircea_popescu or else a buncha peopleget scammed reliying on the false surety of nothing at all. [22:50]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: about 1 in 10,000 people have had strange internet encounters show up at their place of work or residence [22:50]
mircea_popescu i actually have a collared slave i met online [22:50]
`g i have. [22:50]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the entire "safety through i beat you up over the internets" is silly. [22:50]
Raccoon i'm sure bitcoin has a closer ratio [22:50]
AcidicChip What's his name? [22:50]
MBS nah you dont have to go and beat them up [22:51]
MBS could have them SWATed instead [22:51]
MBS or sue [22:51]
mircea_popescu then what mbs, deliver pizza ? ya right. swat. sue. [22:51]
mircea_popescu as if. srsly. [22:51]
BitCarpenter So, how do I go about finding anyone whose willing to trade BTC for PayPal if I give them my name/address? [22:51]
mircea_popescu bitcarpenter : there's a list on the wiki of people doing in person trading [22:51]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: if you lost $10,000 to someone on the internet, knew his home address, and where his children goto school... are you SURE you'd be so mild-tempered as to not show up in person? [22:51]
mircea_popescu other than that, this entire name address thing is silly. [22:51]
mircea_popescu raccoon yes, im sure. [22:51]
mircea_popescu if i were in that business i wouldn't work for 10k. [22:52]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: could I sell you 2,000 BTC? [22:52]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust raccoon [22:52]
gribble Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user raccoon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=raccoon [22:52]
mircea_popescu not yet. [22:52]
BitCarpenter thanks, mircea [22:52]
Raccoon :p [22:52]
MBS ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [22:52]
gribble Trust relationship from user MBS to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 13 via 7 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=MBS&dest=mircea_popescu [22:52]
mircea_popescu 13 lol [22:52]
mircea_popescu cwazy [22:52]
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candlepin popcornm [22:53]
Raccoon BitCarpenter: do you have anything nifty/used technology to sell? [22:53]
mircea_popescu did you pay for that candlepin ? [22:53]
BitCarpenter Haha, not really, unless you count an Xbox in a wooden case. [22:54]
mircea_popescu what is it, an xbox cigar ? [22:54]
Raccoon kinda cool [22:54]
BitCarpenter No, I just replaced the regular plastic case with one made of wood [22:54]
Raccoon how much would you let it go for? (i'm not -personally- interested, but) [22:55]
mircea_popescu but impersonally lol [22:55]
Raccoon just trying to get him settled in [22:55]
MBS astronomy fail [22:55]
MBS "Good point - since it's winter the Earth is actually more like 1.2 AU away from the sun (hence it's colder). During the hottest part of the summer the sun gets as close a .8 AU" [22:55]
BitCarpenter I dunno, it's not worth much to me. [22:55]
BitCarpenter I mean, I do play the Xbox itself occasionally, so I suppose that's worth something. [22:56]
Raccoon BitCarpenter: even better. [22:56]
Raccoon I'm sure if you said 10 BTC, or 20 with games, someone would bite. [22:56]
Raccoon be creative [22:56]
imsaguy ;;gettrust mircea_popescu [22:56]
gribble Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 30 via 18 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=imsaguy&dest=mircea_popescu [22:56]
MBS ill take it for -10 BTC [22:56]
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MBS only if shipped overnight though [22:57]
imsaguy mircea_popescu: we only have 30 :( [22:57]
imsaguy ;;gettrust mircea_popescu imsaguy [22:57]
gribble Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user imsaguy: Level 1: 8, Level 2: 26 via 17 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=imsaguy [22:57]
x0Jakeyboy0x Anyone want to sell me BTC for paypal or buy a custom 3d environment( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68155.0) let me know [22:57]
mircea_popescu imsaguy still kinda a lot. [22:57]
smickles sweet [22:57]
candlepin new harvard study says that women are happy when their spouses are unhappy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/relationships/9126265/Research-finds-women-feel-happy-when-their-husband-or-partner-is-upset.html [22:58]
Raccoon i don't go whoring out ;;ratings, so my 7 ratings are like gold [22:58]
`g candlepin: castration complex thing [22:58]
mircea_popescu raccoon so who does ? [22:58]
Raccoon mircea_popescu: ppl who do 1 BTC trades to build large numbers [22:58]
mircea_popescu i imagine my average to be > 100btc tbh. [22:59]
Raccoon all but 2 of my trades are for 35 BTC or $500 [22:59]
candlepin should rating be weighted by transaction amount? [22:59]
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mircea_popescu might be a good ideea, it's been tossed around candlepin [22:59]
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mircea_popescu i think imsaguy also has a lot of volume. [23:00]
Raccoon girth? lol [23:00]
Cory It should indicate trust. [23:00]
mircea_popescu trade volume meanie :D [23:01]
`g mircea_popescu: ever met imsaguy ? [23:02]
mircea_popescu irl ? i've never met anyone. [23:02]
Raccoon ever? [23:02]
mircea_popescu from bitcoinworld, never. [23:02]
* smickles just took an order for 100 DRs [23:03]
mircea_popescu o hey cool beans smickles. [23:03]
candlepin DR? [23:03]
Raccoon I live in a college town, so I know lots of bitcoiners [23:03]
mircea_popescu do you list those somewhere or anything ? [23:03]
smickles ;;view 7096 [23:03]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [23:03]
imsaguy mircea_popescu and I have had a lot of volume [23:03]
mircea_popescu i live in a college town too, so i know lots of whores. [23:03]
Raccoon ^ [23:03]
mircea_popescu maybe your college town sucks :D [23:03]
jk9357 mircea_popescu: my paypal didnt get disavled yet [23:04]
jk9357 *disabled [23:04]
imsaguy I like college towns that suck ;) [23:04]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: Everything you say is a product of your imagination, but you know that already. [23:04]
mircea_popescu that's good jk [23:04]
Raccoon move to New Mexico [23:04]
mircea_popescu mcorlett huh ? [23:04]
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Raccoon it's like old mexico, but with young white people awkwardly stuck in the middle [23:05]
mircea_popescu wasn't university of arizona the top party school in the us ? [23:05]
BitCarpenter I think that's Brown. [23:05]
Raccoon lol [23:05]
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mircea_popescu princetown lists Ohio University [23:06]
mircea_popescu that's ridiculous [23:06]
smickles mizzou topped that list one year not too long ago [23:06]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: In reality, you live in an abandoned village, with colleges nowhere to be found, and your knowledge of prostitution is limited to one or two whores. I know this. [23:06]
mircea_popescu lmao mcorlett. i live in timisoara. [23:06]
splatster No one lives in Boise :/ [23:07]
mircea_popescu there's medicine, law, tech, languages, economix, the whole kit n' kaboodle. [23:07]
BitCarpenter Playboy 2011 says it's the University of Colorado. [23:07]
mcorlett ;;google prostitution in romania [23:07]
gribble Prostitution in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Streetwise Kids - Romania - YouTube: ; Cam-girl Notes -> Student Prostitution In Romania: [23:07]
`g ;;google timisoara [23:07]
mircea_popescu ok lemme fetch [23:07]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/doua-alternative-teoretice/ [23:08]
mircea_popescu triplets. ever seen triplets mcorlett ? [23:08]
mcorlett Go on... [23:08]
* mircea_popescu just points out that 3 > 2 :p [23:09]
gheorghe mircea_popescu, cheater, those are from opposite side of the country, not timisoara :P [23:09]
BitCarpenter If I make some business cards for a client, how can I get paid in BTC? [23:10]
gheorghe all the whores are on the other side of the country [23:10]
BitCarpenter That is, what should I tell them to do? [23:10]
mircea_popescu right. cause we're talking trees here, they take root somewhere and that's it. [23:10]
mircea_popescu bitcarpenter : get an address from your wallet [23:10]
mircea_popescu tell it to them. they send btc to it. [23:10]
BitCarpenter i have that [23:10]
mcorlett BitCarpenter: You'd generate a unique address for that transaction. [23:10]
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mircea_popescu that's it then. [23:10]
gheorghe well it does take like two days to travel from one side of the country to the other :) [23:10]
BitCarpenter But how I would *they* acquite BTC? [23:11]
mircea_popescu depends if you can afford to fly. [23:11]
gheorghe they might as well just have roots [23:11]
mircea_popescu lol bitcarpenter same way you do : come beg here :D [23:11]
BitCarpenter :D [23:11]
mircea_popescu gheorghe prostitution is not for the poor. [23:11]
BitCarpenter So there's no easy way for me to get paid in BTC then? [23:11]
mcorlett BitCarpenter: Remember to add an additional 1 BTC in fees if the bits will cross country borders. [23:11]
mircea_popescu many people pay in btc, cause many ppl have btc [23:11]
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Raccoon I just emailed a japanese company if they would accept BTC for my purchase. [23:12]
smickles 00:11 < BitCarpenter> So there's no easy way for me to get paid in BTC then? << i don't know the context, but how is it not easy to be paid in btc? [23:12]
Raccoon hoping to hear back [23:12]
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zcasd Anyone know of a place with instant activation VPS / dedi for BTC / LR [23:13]
zcasd besides bitvps [23:13]
zcasd they dont have high end vps's [23:13]
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clone1018 zcasd: vpsno.de [23:13]
Raccoon there was a guy here a few days ago selling VPS [23:13]
phantomcircuit whoever decided those characters in the background on bc casino needed to follow the mouse is a complete moron [23:13]
BitCarpenter smickles : Well, the person I'm dealing with also doesn't know how to get BTC easily. [23:13]
Guest81373 i wanted to know how i get bitcoins [23:14]
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smickles BitCarpenter: oh, that makes sense then [23:14]
Raccoon Guest81373: choose a better nickname [23:14]
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zcasd clone [23:14]
zcasd do u know their setup time? [23:14]
clone1018 Yes, I am the owner, instant, or well, as soon as its confirmed [23:14]
smickles BitCarpenter: IMO, cash in person or cash in the mail is the 'easiest' way to get btc [23:14]
Guest81373 how do i get bitcoins? [23:15]
Raccoon not necessarily the best route [23:15]
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mcorlett clone1018: How deep in does the option to pay in bitcoins appear? [23:15]
clone1018 mcorlett: final order form [23:15]
Raccoon I'd say Dwolla/MtGox is the 'easiest' [23:15]
Guest81373 ok thanks [23:15]
mircea_popescu i found -otc to be the easiest. depends on person too i guess. im a trader sort. [23:16]
mcorlett clone1018: I see. Where are they hosted? [23:16]
clone1018 Dallas, TX (about page) [23:16]
mircea_popescu anyone ever play project entropia/entropia universe ? [23:16]
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smickles I like being paid in btc :D [23:17]
mircea_popescu was a real currency backed game maybe 5 - 10 years ago [23:17]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68160.0 mizerydearia thief ?! [23:18]
mircea_popescu isn't that one of the oldest users ? [23:19]
x0Jakeyboy0x buying BTC for paypal and selling cool custom made 3d stuff! [23:19]
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MBS zcasd, i sell http://www.kimsufi.ie servers for BTC [23:23]
MBS servers are in france though [23:23]
_Cristian mircea_popescu: is it true you're paying prostitutes in BTC? [23:24]
mircea_popescu are you looking to apply ? [23:24]
mcorlett MBS: Are you able to just pay the invoice, instead of controlling the account, and thus, the server? [23:24]
MBS yeah [23:24]
MBS transfer everything but billing contact to buyer [23:25]
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_Cristian mircea_popescu: I prefer women. Besides, I don't want to live in that village. [23:26]
mircea_popescu sooo then... [23:27]
mcorlett What village? [23:27]
_Cristian mcorlett: a village with an airport, so that mircea_popescu can bring the triplets with his private jet [23:28]
x0Jakeyboy0x what good digital goods can i sell to you people? [23:28]
mcorlett x0Jakeyboy0x: Check the order book. [23:28]
mircea_popescu x0Jakeyboy0x wow accounts don't sell, fwiw. [23:29]
candlepin so witcoin went down and took people's coin? [23:29]
mcorlett candlepin: That's right. [23:30]
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x0Jakeyboy0x witcoin? [23:30]
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candlepin damn.. well carrying a balance with a bitcoin site is not a great idea.. [23:30]
candlepin but it seems like he needs the money [23:30]
mcorlett That's no excuse... [23:31]
smickles :D [23:33]
smickles http://charts.glbse.com/charts/MPOE.ETF#rg60zvztgSzm1g10zm2g25 [23:33]
mcorlett smickles: Starting to pick up some steam? [23:34]
smickles mcorlett: it could be ;D [23:34]
smickles so, on a related note ,,(view 7096) [23:34]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [23:34]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. || http://bitcoin-otc.com/ || http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 || Start with the ;;guide || Before you trade, talk to people, and check user ratings. || Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud || Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc || Bitcoin VPS: http://www.bitvps.com || Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe [23:48]
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rawrmage BC is Before Coins [23:48]
`g BC is bullshit conversation [23:48]
_Cristian mircea_popescu: welcome back dearest supreme leader! [23:48]
danieldaniel korndog: y u gamble :( [23:48]
mcorlett Anyone want to trade? You go first, give me 12 hours to verify everything, and then I pay you. [23:49]
mircea_popescu aha ? [23:49]
smickles it's true, i saw mircea_popescu make that claim [23:49]
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korndog i like to gamble.. i am life long winner easy .. i dont play house edge games much... $5 deposit is nothing [23:49]
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mircea_popescu ugh [23:49]
mircea_popescu what ? [23:49]
_Cristian mircea_popescu: I've heard everyone loves you including those triplets [23:50]
smickles korndog: is betco.in still around? [23:50]
korndog i'll look lol [23:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ident _Cristian [23:50]
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mircea_popescu who's "I" [23:50]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2012/03/10/17#l3098212 [23:51]
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x0Jakeyboy0x anyone want to sell BTC for paypal? [23:51]
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_Cristian mircea_popescu: I is the ninth letter of the English alphabet, called i and written in the Latin script. [23:52]
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mizerydearia mircea_popescu, thanks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68167 [23:52]
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mircea_popescu np. [23:52]
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Bad arguments for user command. [23:56]
_Cristian CTCP VERSION [23:56]
-_Cristian- VERSION Purple IRC [23:56]
mcorlett Get your shit together, Mircea. [23:56]
mircea_popescu CTCP VERSION [23:56]
* Received a CTCP VERSION from mircea_popescu [23:56]
-mircea_popescu- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu [23:56]
`g the guide is mircea_popescu misterPink. [23:56]
Usage: CTCP , send the CTCP message to nick, common messages are VERSION and USERINFO [23:56]
_Cristian mircea_popescu: uaț ap? [23:56]
Usage: CTCP , send the CTCP message to nick, common messages are VERSION and USERINFO [23:56]
Usage: CTCP , send the CTCP message to nick, common messages are VERSION and USERINFO [23:57]
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korndog betco.in is around but dead [23:58]
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korndog why would anyone name a poker site sealswithclubs.org [23:58]
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korndog thats borderline retarded, even with the "clubs" joke [23:58]
Usage: CTCP , send the CTCP message to nick, common messages are VERSION and USERINFO [23:58]
korndog i guess url is easy to remember at least [23:58]
mircea_popescu CTCP VERSION [23:59]
* Received a CTCP VERSION from mircea_popescu [23:59]
-mircea_popescu- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu [23:59]
danieldaniel wtf [23:59]
danieldaniel blocks, y u no increase :( [23:59]
mircea_popescu CTCP VER [23:59]
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mircea_popescu CTCP VERSION [23:59]
* Received a CTCP VERSION from mircea_popescu [23:59]
-mircea_popescu- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu [23:59]
rawrmage y u no mine [23:59]
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mircea_popescu CTCP VERSION [23:59]
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-mircea_popescu- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu [23:59]
mircea_popescu CTCP VER [23:59]
* Received a CTCP VER from mircea_popescu [23:59]
danieldaniel rawrmage: y U no mine [23:59]
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