Forum logs for 09 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu originally earth was under a methane atmosphere [00:00]
mircea_popescu then the first optional aerobes were spawned. [00:00]
asciilifeform nah fermi's thing was about a fissile chain-reaction. [00:00]
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asciilifeform he was, at first, not able to show that it would not span the entire solid earth plus atmosphere. [00:01]
asciilifeform this bothered the more neurotic types in 'manhattan project.' [00:01]
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mircea_popescu yeah. [00:03]
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iang hmmm… you have to sit there and do that every 30 mins? [00:04]
asciilifeform strictly speaking, he doesn't. [00:04]
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BingoBoingo iang: You could produce a GPG keypair and register with the gribble bot [00:06]
iang ah, is that something my IRC client needs to be aware of ? [00:07]
BingoBoingo iang: Nah, happens all over pm's [00:07]
BingoBoingo http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html [00:08]
assbot #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8pi2Y ) [00:08]
iang hmmm, you are alleged to befriend trolls [00:10]
BingoBoingo Pretty sure everyone on the interent is at some point. [00:11]
BingoBoingo Similarly everyone on the internet is themself alleged to be a troll at some point on a long enough timeline [00:11]
mircea_popescu on the internet, everyone knows you're a troll. [00:12]
iang yah. I remember (one of?) the last person I used to talk regularly with gpg would make keys every month and dispose of the old ones. I only talked to him maybe once a month so it didn’t last... [00:12]
asciilifeform disposed of old before - or after - signing key[n] with key[n-1] [00:12]
asciilifeform ? [00:12]
iang oh, after, kept a merry chain posting into perpetuity [00:13]
asciilifeform then why problem ? [00:13]
BingoBoingo iang: Current best practice seems to be gen RSA/RSA and just make the it huge [00:13]
iang well, every month I’d send him an email and he’d send me back a request to use his new key :) [00:14]
BingoBoingo iang: Have you seen http://nosuchlabs.com/ yet? [00:14]
iang BingoBoingo: yup. I guess everyone’s got the message that the threat is on the node. [00:14]
BingoBoingo iang: yeah. I can see monthly pub key updates being a hassel if your big GPG use case is signatures [00:15]
iang ha, no. Is that based on the RNG problems that various platforms had? [00:15]
BingoBoingo iang: It's actually one of alf's toys [00:16]
asciilifeform not advertised, on account of being (so far) a null result [00:16]
iang seems to work better if I give it an RSA key ;-) [00:17]
asciilifeform also i have several million keys that wait to be thrown in (presently hosted in 'cloud' crapolade, cannot really handle serious work) [00:17]
BingoBoingo Well, I dunno of any better to gen keys with atm than RSA. [00:18]
asciilifeform every time someone mentions this, i ask 'btc hosting exists yet?' [00:18]
asciilifeform and then silence. [00:18]
BingoBoingo Silk Road auction payout? https://blockchain.info/address/1E9QDjSzUMuYdy4vePXxZhmkGeopkm1VfZ [00:19]
assbot Bitcoin Address 1E9QDjSzUMuYdy4vePXxZhmkGeopkm1VfZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8qKT6 ) [00:20]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol. [00:30]
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iang ha, thanks. but crashing here, later. [00:35]
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devthedev I can't join OTC, strange [00:36]
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asciilifeform https://download.wpsoftware.net << perverse [00:58]
assbot Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7rxR9 ) [00:58]
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asciilifeform http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mvqj3/bitcoin_wallet_will_not_sync_past_a_certain_point << lol [01:09]
assbot Bitcoin wallet will not sync past a certain point : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z11b30 ) [01:09]
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undata asciilifeform: I am going to have to read your loper-os blog all the way through [01:12]
asciilifeform lol why [01:12]
undata I recently worked for a guy who wanted to make a relational end user programming environment [01:12]
undata sadly it was in JS not lisp [01:12]
undata the relational part made a bit of sense [01:12]
asciilifeform https://forum.bitcoin.pl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9987 << lol2 [01:13]
assbot Polskie Forum Bitcoin - Aktualizacja klienta Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z11V8f ) [01:13]
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undata the "mind extender" vector - rather than "derp this until any idiot can 'use' it" - is much more interesting [01:14]
undata and uh, by god don't make the thing out of the web [01:15]
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asciilifeform http://freak.no/forum/showthread.php?t=262603 << lol3 [01:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z128bu ) [01:15]
undata the guy behind lighttable is now headed towards the same, calling it "eve" [01:16]
asciilifeform same what [01:16]
undata "end user programming" [01:16]
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undata http://lighttable.com/2014/07/18/imperative-thinking/ [01:19]
assbot Light Table Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7vm8R ) [01:19]
undata at my old job, we were creating a visual SQL editor as the primary way of fiddling this envisioned programming environment [01:21]
undata we produced a few cool things, among them this https://github.com/aquameta/pg_meta [01:21]
assbot aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z131RC ) [01:21]
undata I left the company when I lost a conflict over whether we should shift focus from burning the founder's money to making money [01:22]
undata I haven't seen them release much else yet [01:22]
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undata that pg_meta embodies the approach; for everything, you make a data model [01:23]
undata you change things in the world by changing their model [01:23]
undata it was pretty damn elegant; I still try to code that way [01:24]
asciilifeform undata: what means 'visual' ? not being pedantic, seriously puzzled [01:26]
asciilifeform strange and ubiquitous marketing word. [01:26]
asciilifeform vt100 was 'visual' just as much as 'visual basic' [01:26]
undata we bound widgets to various chunks of AST [01:26]
asciilifeform widgets? [01:26]
undata UI components which were meant to say represent a join, or a boolean expression, or what have you [01:26]
asciilifeform but what kind of 'ui components' [01:27]
asciilifeform what did this look like ? [01:27]
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cazalla scoopbot, go fetch [01:29]
PeterL hmm, maybe I could add that? [01:30]
cazalla PeterL, not a bad idea eh [01:30]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitpay-forget-to-renew-bitcore-io-domain-name/ [01:33]
undata asciilifeform: I don't have any screenshots, but things like two boxes representing tables, each having things you can tap to select columns [01:35]
undata drawing a line between two columns of two tables and using a venn diagram in the middle to define the join type [01:36]
asciilifeform ugh [01:36]
undata and it was 2-way synced with the source code [01:36]
undata it wasn't bad as far as jobs go, but in the end we invented a shitty version of emacs in the browser in JS [01:39]
asciilifeform !b 1 [01:40]
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mats https://cryptoservices.github.io/fde/2014/12/08/code-execution-in-spite-of-bitlocker.html [01:40]
asciilifeform 'it wasn't bad as far as jobs go, but eventually the goats got too tight' [01:40]
assbot Code Execution In Spite Of BitLocker ... ( http://bit.ly/1z15sDC ) [01:40]
* asciilifeform had 'bitlocker' symlinked with 'cryptolocker' (trojan) in his head, and read this article with a very peculiar feeling [01:41]
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joecool lol [01:42]
undata this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion [01:43]
undata that's probably what Eve is going to end up being as well, though I wouldn't mind being proved wrong [01:44]
undata I've seen "derps" do pretty effective things with spreadsheets [01:44]
asciilifeform http://www.wired.com/2014/12/obama-becomes-first-president-write-computer-program << mein fuhrer 'programs' ! [01:45]
assbot Obama Becomes First President to Write a Computer Program | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7zHJ6 ) [01:45]
mats nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex [01:47]
undata msft is running lots of ads telling everyone to learn to code [01:47]
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undata we can just have an economy of buying and selling apps with each other [01:48]
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asciilifeform why not skip straight to buying, selling: farts. [01:49]
PeterL now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop [01:50]
undata artisan farts in mason jars [01:50]
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undata there's probably a boutique for that here [01:50]
BingoBoingo Awesome PeterL [01:51]
PeterL you can also just pm him "-fetch" [01:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The entire MSFT business model since balmer has been having the most farts that smell on their platform [01:52]
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PeterL Asicminer seems to be picking up today (up 25%), did they release some good news or something? [02:30]
BingoBoingo Maybe it is the post-Burnside bust bump? [02:31]
BingoBoingo I don't understand the nerve of people who won't contest shit at all. [02:32]
mats it falls [02:32]
mats ;;ticker [02:32]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 348.29, Best ask: 348.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 348.99, 24 hour volume: 16064.42343601, 24 hour low: 346.15, 24 hour high: 375.51, 24 hour vwap: 364.222355025 [02:32]
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mats i wonder if i can get pink eye giving myself a dutch oven [02:34]
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PeterL ;;ud dutch oven [02:36]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | Jonas nearly crapped his Underoos preparing a Dutch Oven for his special lady! by Lution Stackridge Esquire August 14, 2003. 8196 3870. Shop. 3. Dutch Oven. [02:36]
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mats ;;ud dutch oven 3 [02:38]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | 3. Dutch Oven. when you are laying in bed with a "significant other" and you fart then hold her head under the blanket. girl: what did you get me for valentines ... [02:38]
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BingoBoingo Meat programming http://neurosciencenews.com/ketamine-bipolar-disorder-psychiatry-1456/ [02:48]
assbot Rapid Agent Restores Pleasure Seeking Ahead of Other Antidepressant Action | Neuroscience News Research Articles | Neuroscience Social Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYB7pA ) [02:48]
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cazalla anyone have a somethingawful account? [03:32]
cazalla actually, no matter, got behind stupid wall with google cache [03:33]
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ben_vulpes you guys the social security administration website keeps office hours: https://secure.ssa.gov/ICON/main.jsp [04:08]
assbot SSA Office Locator Social Security Office Locator, Social Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1ItekHm ) [04:08]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Nicole_West1/status/542205610092023808/photo/1 [04:08]
assbot At the corner of University Ave. and Eighth. /hashtag/berkeleyprotests?src=hash http://t.co/5MoNmviExN [04:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice how nobody mentions the "fix your bdb max nodes thing" [04:11]
mircea_popescu everyone just knows the upgrade mantra. [04:11]
mircea_popescu because itnernet. [04:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.0004906 = 8.2421 BTC [+] [04:40]
mircea_popescu this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion << dude so true. [05:00]
mircea_popescu mats nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex << her first threesome will top it. [05:01]
mircea_popescu !up lolhash [05:01]
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-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [13:30]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's << what do you use him for ? [13:39]
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mircea_popescu punkman: gribble exists before otc I think << yea was born in #bitcoin iirc, 2010s [13:41]
mircea_popescu iang:I think you’re right, anything and everything gets discussed here << http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ [13:42]
assbot #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK66Vt ) [13:42]
mircea_popescu whoa danieldaniel still exists ?! [13:43]
mircea_popescu that's some endurance right there. [13:43]
mircea_popescu hanbot lol! [13:44]
mircea_popescu is it yours ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu vpred libertard lmao. [13:45]
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mats http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/cia-torture-report-released [14:06]
assbot The Senate Just Released the CIA Torture Report. Read the Full Document. | Mother Jones ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKcDiS ) [14:06]
mats embedded doc, though... [14:07]
TomServo full pdf available on cryptome.org [14:09]
mircea_popescu zese peoplez an zeir pdfeez [14:11]
TomServo Sorry for having to ask but: would 'rectal feeding' actually allow you ingest some nutrients? or what would be the point? [14:12]
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punkman TomServo: of course [14:13]
punkman can't just stick a banana up your ass though [14:14]
mats nobody suggested that [14:15]
mircea_popescu TomServo yeah. [14:15]
mircea_popescu it would suck on the long term unless very carefully formulated, but otherwise... [14:16]
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TomServo Dumb question I suppose; hoped an asciilifeform joke made it into the report. arse/mouth etc. [14:27]
mircea_popescu TomServo best way to loosen up neurotic sort of chick is half white wine / half warm water enema. [14:28]
mircea_popescu demi bouteille of that an' she's giggling like god meant woman to giggle. [14:29]
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thestringpuller what does the warm water enema achieve? [14:44]
mircea_popescu dilutes and doesn't thermally shock the gut ? [14:45]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/noche-de-la-inmaculada-concepcion-en-imagenes/ [15:02]
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TomServo https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/542340947204648961 [15:41]
assbot Announcement: Pleased to share that the syndicate organized by /BitcoinTrust & our trading division won 48k bitcoin auctioned by US Marshals [15:41]
mircea_popescu heh. [15:43]
punkman the waterfall stronger than ever eh [15:48]
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TomServo Evidently. Looks like another 1700 or so left ethereum's wallet recently as well. [15:53]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/ru-im-rar-unzipped.txt [16:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAHbPS ) [16:24]
asciilifeform run moar winblows. [16:24]
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asciilifeform 'The CIA lacked a plan for the eventual disposition of its detainees. After taking custody of Abu Zubaydah, CIA officers concluded that he "should remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life"...' [17:02]
asciilifeform ^ document of questionable veracity, prepared by known professional liars, but good source on what to expect when you end up in the tender care of usg. [17:04]
undata asciilifeform: in this case I'm more than certain they're lying in the direction that makes them look better [17:07]
asciilifeform - or rather, a minimum of what to expect. the main purpose of the report appears to be usg bashing itself for hiring incompetent torturers on 'favourite son' contracts. implication is, 'we need to recruit real pros' - and every reason to expect that it will be tried, at the very least. out with the amateur finger-choppers, in with the transcranial pain centre stimulators and 'fMRI' gizmos, etc. [17:07]
undata yep [17:08]
danielpbarron ;;rate jyap 1 https://twitter.com/jyap/status/542409148323741697 [17:08]
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assbot I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap http://t.co/w1PgofiYzc /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet [17:08]
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asciilifeform 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' << i've a bridge to sell ya. [17:17]
thestringpuller danielpbarron you inspired a character for me [17:18]
thestringpuller the cryptopriest [17:18]
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danielpbarron heh [17:21]
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jyap thanks [17:23]
danielpbarron sonething tells me you aren't here to tell us how gpg isn't user friendly enough [17:24]
jyap well, personal invite from yourself [17:25]
jyap but GPG is fine by me [17:25]
danielpbarron I mentioned you because http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2014#947359 [17:29]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2014 04:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://proofofdev.com/jbs-jumbucks/ [17:29]
jyap ah yeah. never actually sent documentation in. more a video chat. [17:30]
danielpbarron heh.. "proof" [17:30]
danielpbarron if people consider video to be proof, no wonder it's widely believed that planes hit the twin towers [17:31]
BingoBoingo http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141209095711 [17:31]
assbot Libressl 2.1.2 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8AuZ ) [17:31]
jyap .. well yeah. [17:32]
BingoBoingo http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/12/09/1347212/adnauseam-browser-extension-quietly-clicks-on-blocked-ads [17:33]
assbot AdNauseam Browser Extension Quietly Clicks On Blocked Ads - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8TWP ) [17:33]
asciilifeform 'Two important cipher suites, GOST and Camellia, have been reworked or reenabled, providing better interoperability with systems around the world.' << LOL!! [17:33]
asciilifeform 'Initial support for Microsoft Windows 32-bit and 64-bit flavors has been added for mingw' << run moar winblows, aha. medicine for corpse. [17:34]
asciilifeform 'Assembly acceleration of various algorithms... ...x86_64 CPUs' << translation: let's use intel's diddled aes instructions. [17:35]
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undata danielpbarron: dude, what? [17:39]
undata surely you meant to say "pentagon" [17:40]
undata not that I'd be surprised if you sucked some other conspiracy theory on the towers out of Alex Jones' tailpipe [17:43]
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Pierre_Rochard http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/12/09/bitcoin-black-friday-2014-recap.html [17:48]
assbot Bitcoin Black Friday 2014 Recap | The BitPay Blog [17:48]
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undata With traditional Black Friday sales down 11% from last year, it’s it’s important to recognize that bitcoin is being used for a variety of traditional products and services now. This Bitcoin Black Friday may signify a move forward and toward mainstream acceptance of bitcoin. [17:49]
undata "actually good news" [17:49]
asciilifeform black friday << mega-lol at the conspicuously-absent actual numbers [17:49]
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undata bitcoin acceptance makes me think of fat acceptance [17:52]
rithm i feel skinny [17:52]
undata it's this social progress thing [17:52]
rithm and witty, and gaaaaaay [17:52]
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Pierre_Rochard for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature [17:53]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/silbert-syndicate-wins-48000-btc-at-auction/ [18:09]
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BingoBoingo http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-biggest-dangers-to-bitcoin-come-from-proponents-not-opponents-cm421357 [18:15]
assbot The Biggest Dangers To Bitcoin Come From Proponents, Not Opponents - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1waq24G ) [18:15]
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Pierre_Rochard “The decentralized, non-governmental nature of digital currency makes it particularly appealing to those of an extreme libertarian bent. When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely." [18:42]
thestringpuller is it weird that everytime I see someone talk about adoption and acceptance in an article I immediately think they are a n00b? [18:42]
thestringpuller I can't take them seriously. [18:43]
danielpbarron 03:37 <+undata> surely you meant to say "pentagon" << nope i meant the towers [18:45]
danielpbarron i don't listen to alex jones [18:46]
undata danielpbarron: I'm aware of the pentagon missile, but the towers?! [18:46]
undata I'm under the impression that many people in adjacent buildings saw it happen [18:46]
undata is it hard to believe that they could've both been hit by planes and demoed? [18:48]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: because people like the author think Bitcoin _actually_ is a ponzi scheme and that they have to help attract greater fools, so public relations / appearance/ etc are super important to -sell- bitcoin to the unsuspecting masses [18:50]
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danielpbarron undata, it's cheaper to edit video [19:01]
danielpbarron i don't know anyone who saw it happen [19:02]
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mats I'm really irritated by this nonsense in the media about "torture is useless as an intelligence tool" [19:07]
mats what a blatant lie. [19:07]
mats danielpbarron: my grandparents watched the second plane hit from a high rise several blocks from the towers [19:08]
danielpbarron hm, ok [19:09]
mats they speak about a hundred english words between them, so i doubt they've been bought by USG. [19:09]
mats i'd consider effective placement of explosives near structural supports more plausible [19:10]
undata ^^ [19:11]
mats anyway, this is probably obvious to everyone, but it should be voiced anyway: torture is definitely useful as an intelligence tool [19:14]
punkman not if you are torturing random derps though [19:14]
mats relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information... [19:14]
asciilifeform !s rectothermal [19:14]
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dub applying it to turban wearers at random may not be [19:15]
dub which might be the point? [19:15]
undata mats: makes me wonder if that's the tactic: making the conversation about "Is torture effective?" [19:17]
mats this is what happens when you let HUMINT fall to the wayside [19:17]
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undata rather than "do we want to live under the fear of a bureaucracy that tortures people at will?" [19:18]
mats i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective [19:19]
undata mats: lets clarify things; do you think we benefit from having a CIA that does so? [19:21]
mats yes. [19:21]
undata hm, as part of current incarnation of USG? [19:21]
mats any effective intelligence agency ought to be prepared to torture a source. [19:22]
mats you think they're running a day care or something? [19:22]
undata that's an incorrect assumption of my opinion [19:23]
undata I want to live in a society where everything is done according to law [19:23]
undata even torturing "folks" if necessary [19:23]
asciilifeform intimidation and murder also work great, but are not nearly as 'photogenic' [19:23]
undata not at the whim of some unaccountable second govt [19:23]
asciilifeform undata: there is precisely one actual government - what you were thinking of as the 'second' [19:24]
mats people performing these things are ideally in the field [19:24]
undata asciilifeform: right, that's more correct [19:24]
mats as far as anyone is realistically concerned, they are the second government. [19:24]
mats and you can't do dick about it. [19:24]
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mats PR backlash blah blah, anyone with a mild degree of intelligence understands this is how the game is played [19:26]
mats regardless if its admitted or not [19:26]
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undata without rule of law no one can settle down and get some goddamn work done [19:27]
undata too busy checking over their shoulder [19:27]
undata this is not tantamount to saying society should be hugs and kisses for all [19:27]
mats there's only one rule of law, and its wielded at the point of a weapon [19:28]
undata that's nice rhetoric, but that's about all [19:28]
mats intelligence work requires compartmentalization and centralization [19:30]
mats and once you get down to the fundamentals, agents in the field are basically unaccountable [19:30]
undata there's a distinction here between the guy that forces you to your desk to work, and the guy that jiggles your hand as you try to write [19:30]
undata mats: then they are free to seek their own interest; they're not slaves [19:31]
undata and all govt agents should be slaves [19:31]
mats in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents [19:32]
mats you're going to ask an intel agent in the field to handicap himself, at the very real risk of being killed because of morals imposed by someone outside of the game? [19:33]
mats sounds like a recipe for high turnover and ineffective field work. [19:33]
undata and when the agents traffic enough cocaine to threaten your power over them? [19:34]
mats then you kill all of them. [19:34]
mats and hire a new spymaster you can leverage. [19:34]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [19:35]
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asciilifeform it all depends, also, on whether you see usa as just a normal country, or - a fundamentally criminal enterprise, whose enemies - any and all of them - are really friends of mankind by virtue of being it's enemies, and are in fact defending themselves from usg colonial rape. [19:35]
asciilifeform *its [19:36]
asciilifeform - that is, who do you wish to see win? [19:37]
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BingoBoingo It wouldn't end with "win" another criminal enterprise would emerge. better win is probably stalemate [19:38]
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asciilifeform who said, 'end.' everything - dies. [19:39]
asciilifeform even 'thousand-year' reichs. [19:40]
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mats its actually a humorous indictment of the CIAs HUMINT operations, that they weren't able to get useful information from the rendered [19:53]
mats too much noise in the signal. picked up the wrong dudes. [19:54]
asciilifeform mats: the actual enemies of usa population are already in usa - occupying high posts in wash., dc. [19:54]
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mats hows it feel to be a lamb in a den of killers? [20:06]
mats ;;ticker [20:06]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 350.72, Best ask: 351.88, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 351.88, 24 hour volume: 21724.25125109, 24 hour low: 343.97, 24 hour high: 366.57, 24 hour vwap: 353.109911494 [20:06]
BingoBoingo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1fUzkqwbQ [20:07]
assbot Angry Ram takes on a 6 ton digger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wdDvau ) [20:07]
BingoBoingo ^ That [20:07]
asciilifeform lamb in 'mcdonalds.' [20:10]
[]bot Bet created: "BTC tops all time high before April Fool's" http://bitbet.us/bet/1081/ [20:10]
BingoBoingo Is McSchwarma a thing yet? [20:11]
mircea_popescu 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' <<< "the fed won't monetise the debt" [20:12]
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mircea_popescu for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature << like everything else. like, that's all they got. [20:14]
mircea_popescu "When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely." <<< so says... who ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu and htey know... how ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu the self-feeding circle of shit. "shit out because shit in because shit out because shit in because..." [20:15]
mircea_popescu "we are the clueless horde because everyone is clueless because we are clueless because everyone is clueless because that's all that exists because that's what we are because that's what one should be because that's what one can be because that's what we think because that's what we are because that's what we'ver seen because..." [20:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2014#946898 [20:16]
assbot Logged on 06-12-2014 05:01:41; asciilifeform: these folks will eventually build arse-mouth systems and try to eat their own shit. [20:16]
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mircea_popescu is it weird << notrly. like you know, if you hear a "sailor" talk about "Ships falling off the earth margin" you can also suspect they're the 15yo fibbing variety of seawolf. [20:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, hence all teh soviet shiteating jokes. [20:17]
mircea_popescu it's like a strange attractor of peronist discourse. [20:17]
mircea_popescu mats> relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information... << it's complicated. generally, by the time you have to torture people you're dead in the water. [20:19]
mircea_popescu it's like saying "wifebeating works as a matrimonial pacification tool". [20:19]
mircea_popescu i... guess ? if you think so ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu notrlytho. [20:19]
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mircea_popescu i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective << for sure. do you know what else they accept ? that "free markets don't work" and that "socialism is democracy" and all sorts of similar things. do you know why they accept them ? because they want to believe. 16 yo 7/10 valley girl also believes she's "beautiful" and that "she really has a chance". why wouldn't she, as far as [20:21]
mircea_popescu she's concerned. [20:21]
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mircea_popescu in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents << idealised intel agents. like idealised doctors or lawyers, doing "liberal professions". like naggum's idealised "real programmers". problem is, these people don't exist in the counts you might wish to employ. they exist in short supply. [20:24]
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mircea_popescu - that is, who do you wish to see win? <<< seems rather uncontroversial by now that the us is a rogue state. at least to my eyes. but in two years of this we've yet to meet somerone who actually believes the us to be anything but a criminal organisation. [20:25]
mircea_popescu perhaps with the exception of the bluemeanie guy :D [20:25]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite a few folks say 'well yes, criminal' but for some reason refuse to walk the logical implication, a -> b.. [20:28]
mircea_popescu !s 16 yo valley girl [20:29]
assbot 0 results for '16 yo valley girl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=16+yo+valley+girl [20:29]
mircea_popescu >D [20:30]
mircea_popescu what reason dja think that is. [20:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because of the inevitable question, then, 'well what do i personally do now, seppuku?' that follows [20:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: closing eyes is the last refuge of the truly and genuinely fucked [20:31]
mircea_popescu which is of course silly. [20:31]
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mircea_popescu plenty of women woke up one day to discover they married an asshole over the endless count of years. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu none of them actually had to hang themselves for this lapse in their youthful judgement, [20:32]
mircea_popescu or, as the case may be, in their parents'. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu for thatmatter, even 30 years ago, "the us" aka "america" was something you'd have had to be chomsky not to believe in. [20:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...' [20:33]
mircea_popescu "say it" ? [20:34]
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nubbins` "...make something for supper" [20:35]
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mircea_popescu o check it out, nubbins` brings sammiches. [20:35]
nubbins` not so [20:35]
nubbins` altho i did roast a pork tenderloin today [20:35]
nubbins` and let me tell you [20:36]
nubbins` it was fist-poundingly good [20:36]
nubbins` made an extremely heady pan sauce with some red wine [20:36]
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nubbins` dat fail [20:51]
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EPiSKiNG- why failed? [20:51]
nubbins` ;;gettrust assbot EPiSKiNG- [20:51]
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nubbins` ^ [20:52]
nubbins` http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ [20:52]
assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wdNwon ) [20:52]
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nubbins` anyway, you're voiced now [20:59]
nubbins` rejoice! [20:59]
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UltimateNate is assbot really a DDoS bot? [20:59]
nubbins` no [20:59]
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nubbins` would a vampire say "there is a vampire"? :S [21:00]
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undata +asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...' << make money and gtfo in my case [21:10]
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undata or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster [21:11]
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undata seems to me that there are two circumstances to avoid: 1) being crunched under the US gov's ever-increasing bureaucratic mass 2) the skullfucking that is due to the US when there's an entity powerful enough to perform it [21:15]
nubbins` seems to me there's not a whole lot you can do to avoid either [21:20]
undata I can; as for the rest, natural selection's a bitch [21:21]
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nubbins` not sure it's natural selection [21:22]
undata how is govt any less natural a hazard? [21:23]
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asciilifeform undata: 'gtfo' from u.s.-centric international monetary system costs considerably more than an airplane ticket. [21:52]
undata asciilifeform: I just want somewhere to sit and watch the bonfire [21:53]
asciilifeform undata: i haven't the faintest clue about where you went (or will go) but most u.s. expats may as well be living back home, where they are. [21:53]
asciilifeform in terms of dependence [21:53]
undata maybe so, but I'd rather have something to struggle towards [21:53]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so. [21:54]
undata argie let nazis retire there; what's wrong with a few 'muricans? :D [21:55]
asciilifeform the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd [21:55]
asciilifeform undata: the germans had self-contained biospheres where they lived and worked. [21:56]
asciilifeform how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ? [21:56]
undata I think you're right; it won't be a great thing abroad to be or have been an american [21:56]
asciilifeform no, it's always 'i'm gonna own an xxx and a yyy which will bring in...' [21:56]
undata I intend to stay active creating software; I'd probably continue to work with americans [21:57]
asciilifeform software for which - who? pays [21:57]
asciilifeform in what? [21:57]
asciilifeform (re: germans: there is ample evidence that fleeing nazis wanted for nothing, and were kept in plentiful supply of every conceivable necessity and luxury by u.s. cia. but 'traditional' narrative still has them living in what were essentially reservations in ar.) [22:00]
undata I've got various software things cooking now, one operational and paying my rent [22:00]
asciilifeform in usd [22:00]
undata correct [22:01]
asciilifeform with a gigantic, mainly usg-operated apparatus to keep 'paying for software' as a going concern even. [22:01]
undata I don't feel a burning urge to attract the attention of that govt [22:02]
undata they can have their taxes, etc [22:02]
undata speaking of Thailand, my accountant lives there most of the year [22:02]
undata wife there, etc [22:02]
undata Chile is one that's appealed to me [22:03]
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thestringpuller today I heard the phrase: "Encryption as a Service" used as a buzz-phrase. [22:17]
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assbot EPiSKiNG- +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [22:31]
danielpbarron !up EPiSKiNG- [22:31]
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thestringpuller that is a name I haven't seen in sometime [22:32]
EPiSKiNG- someone needs to rate me [22:33]
EPiSKiNG- all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love [22:33]
danielpbarron ;;gettrust EPiSKiNG- [22:33]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask EPiSKiNG-!~EPiSKiNG-@unaffiliated/episking. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user EPiSKiNG-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 15 via 15 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=EPiSKiNG- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=EPiSKiNG- | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 02:05:20 2011 [22:33]
EPiSKiNG- ;;rated danielpbarron [22:33]
gribble You have not yet rated user danielpbarron [22:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00049984 = 28.216 BTC [-] {2} [22:34]
EPiSKiNG- ah. I think you'd do it. :) [22:34]
danielpbarron you're pretty high in my l2, huh [22:34]
danielpbarron well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord [22:34]
* EPiSKiNG- is confused. Need to read rules. [22:35]
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danielpbarron EPiSKiNG-, http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ [22:36]
assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzhod7 ) [22:36]
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danielpbarron you've got quite a few positive ratings from users i don't trust [22:37]
kakobrekla all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love < this thing apparently works, those ratings are useless [22:39]
thestringpuller who me? [22:39]
EPiSKiNG- worthless are they? [22:48]
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danielpbarron you're from a different WoT, sort-of; all your connections are from -otc, and none are from here (or at least from anyone here who matters (and therefore anyone anywhere who matters)) [22:52]
decimation asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: deterministic wallets << the ware that someone dropped in the chan a few days ago was amusing: you enter you die rolls on the command line (history!) and then it converts to 'diceware' string, and then it takes a sha256 hash [22:53]
decimation seems like a good recipie to greatly restrict the keyspace [22:53]
kakobrekla someones coding license needs to be revoked? [22:54]
decimation yeah, it was a noob implementation. But it brought up a question in my mind: for RSA, private key and public key are derived from a prime number. Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA? [22:58]
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mike_c ecdsa works on the magical horseshoe principle. you start from one spot on the horseshoe and shoot over to the other side, and where you land is difficult to figure out. [23:19]
mike_c unless you use the nsa horseshoe, which everyone knows the answers to. [23:19]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/ru-im-malware-scan-14-1209.htm [23:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxCs8S ) [23:30]
asciilifeform ^ mega-lol. run moar winblows! [23:30]
decimation asciilifeform: why would the russian foreign ministry run winblows? [23:31]
asciilifeform decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows [23:31]
decimation well, probably for the same reason soviets wanted pdp11 [23:32]
asciilifeform decimation: also this story concerns the russian ministry of internal affairs (sorta equivalent to u.s. fbi) [23:32]
decimation what is the difference between that and the fsb? [23:32]
asciilifeform that'd be more analogous to u.s. dhs [23:33]
* decimation took a course in soviet politics years ago and I left more confused about its bureaucracy [23:33]
asciilifeform see, until dhs there was no ready u.s. analogue. [23:33]
decimation so all internal security is nominally 'under' fsb? [23:33]
asciilifeform nominally, internal security in its intelligence aspects [23:34]
decimation ah, makes sense [23:34]
asciilifeform also some external work. ussr had two competing intelligence agencies [23:34]
decimation I guess in the us the fbi is kinda the secret police [23:34]
asciilifeform gru (approximately, central office of reconnaissance) and (portion of) kgb [23:34]
asciilifeform gru was a branch of military intelligence apparatus [23:35]
asciilifeform kgb - 'civilian.' [23:35]
decimation do these still compete today? russian military and svr? [23:35]
asciilifeform svr was post-collapse rebranding of kgb intelligence directorate [23:35]
asciilifeform this is extensively beaten to death in the literature. [23:35]
asciilifeform http://svr.gov.ru [23:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhcJAF ) [23:36]
asciilifeform ^ apply for a job today, l0l [23:36]
decimation probably about the same kind of stuff as the us version [23:36]
asciilifeform speaking of which... [23:38]
asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/defeat-is-victory.html [23:38]
assbot ClubOrlov: Defeat is Victory ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ghd71W ) [23:38]
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decimation this page on ecdsa history is depressing http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html [23:39]
assbot cr.yp.to: [23:39]
asciilifeform cache timing attacks are a snore. [23:40]
asciilifeform if enemy has access to your cache hit/miss data, you were fucked already. [23:40]
decimation nah, not that stuff, the history of the development of ecdsa [23:40]
decimation and speculation on why the most retarded design decisions were made to force vulnerabilities [23:41]
asciilifeform why the most retarded design decisions << this was never a genuine mystery. [23:42]
decimation yeah, but it is still depressing [23:43]
decimation "the people" of the us should demand their tax dollars back [23:43]
asciilifeform not to 'evil conspiracy crackpots', that is. to 'reasonable, polite society folks' it will be a mystery until the day they die. [23:43]
asciilifeform (which is likely to be sooner rather than later) [23:43]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2014#927130 [23:44]
assbot Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon. [23:44]
decimation I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases? [23:45]
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