Forum logs for 08 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
cazalla adlai, the stats are not really point of article, more so to point out stupidity of this bitcoin black friday scheme [00:00]
mike_c cazalla: I would like to write an article for qntra with graphs in it. how should I go about this? [00:01]
BingoBoingo Graphs work as email attachements? [00:01]
adlai stats, whether an official press release or some guess based on data, are needed for bet resolution [00:01]
cazalla mike_c, can you use images for the graphs or is it code [00:01]
* Dr-G2 (~Dr-G@gateway/tor-sasl/dr-g) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:01]
mike_c images. but embedded in the right spot. and ideally presenting you with the least amount of work necessary. [00:02]
mike_c like, maybe I should just have a WP account. [00:02]
mike_c and I can write it myself. and then you review and publish. [00:02]
cazalla mike_c, technically you already have an account, i create them for authors and use for publishing their articles, i can change so that you can log in and post a draft [00:03]
mike_c and upload images to put in the draft? [00:03]
mike_c works for me. I pinky-swear not to break anything. [00:04]
cazalla i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something [00:04]
mike_c that's not a bad thing. but makes it harder for authors. [00:04]
* Dr-G has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [00:05]
cazalla you can email the images, i'll upload and then send you the URLs [00:05]
mike_c that's fine with me, but you might want to think about how to get yourself more out of the workflow. makes scaling and doing this long-term easier. [00:05]
ben_vulpes automaaaaate [00:06]
mike_c no no, we don't need more robots involved. [00:07]
ben_vulpes wordpress is best robot [00:07]
mike_c unreliable suns of bitches [00:07]
* WolfGoethe has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) [00:08]
cazalla mike_c, it's not really that much work atm anyway and what else am i going to do but play pokemon all day during slow periods [00:08]
ben_vulpes but what about making money while you sleep, cazalla!? [00:08]
mike_c hehe, i was thinking more about getting ready for the not-slow periods :) but this is fine with me. [00:09]
cazalla ben_vulpes, i learned this lesson a few years back already [00:09]
* mius has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [00:10]
* mius (~mius@gateway/tor-sasl/mius) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:10]
mike_c also, now that I have access, you just gave me access without checking if i'm authenticated :) and I'm actually the reddit police! (j/k) [00:10]
mike_c but i coulda been [00:11]
* mius has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:11]
* xanthyos has quit (Quit: leaving) [00:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21080 @ 0.00050585 = 10.6633 BTC [-] {2} [00:12]
cazalla well difficult without gribble around [00:12]
mike_c srsly [00:12]
adlai "difficult" [00:14]
cazalla still, good point, i have been caught slipping [00:14]
adlai http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mike_c [00:14]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/12CfYoV ) [00:15]
ben_vulpes http://cube-drone.com/2013_06_05-Cube_Drone_37_The_Often_Inscrutable_Motivation_Of_Programmers.html [00:15]
assbot Cube Drone ... ( http://bit.ly/12Cg4x3 ) [00:15]
* nhanH is now known as NhanH [00:16]
* NhanH is now known as nhanH [00:16]
* nhanH is now known as NhanH [00:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 120 @ 0.00870083 = 1.0441 BTC [+] {2} [00:23]
cazalla anyway, taking a walk to reflect on this act of stupidity [00:24]
* gernika (~awt@unaffiliated/gernika) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:26]
* assbot removes voice from mike_c [00:26]
* paxtoncamaro91 (~paxtoncam@unaffiliated/paxtoncamaro91) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:27]
* draino has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:27]
* gernika has quit (Client Quit) [00:28]
* paxtoncamaro91 (~paxtoncam@unaffiliated/paxtoncamaro91) has left #bitcoin-assets [00:29]
* gribble (~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:30]
* ChanServ gives voice to gribble [00:30]
BingoBoingo ;;ident mike_c [00:35]
ben_vulpes watch get gribble get ddossed. [00:36]
* gribble has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:36]
ben_vulpes thanks for bringing her back, nanotube [00:36]
kakobrekla doesnt seem back to me [00:40]
kakobrekla is gribbles cloak phucked? [00:40]
kakobrekla !up nanotube [00:41]
* assbot gives voice to nanotube [00:41]
* zaht has quit (Quit: zaht) [00:42]
nanotube looks like someone is trying to eat up some cpu by hammering the web server [00:42]
nanotube with modest success >_> [00:42]
* mike_c has quit () [00:46]
* gribble (~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:46]
* ChanServ gives voice to gribble [00:46]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-st-petersburg-bowl-preview/ << Preview of the "Bitcoin Bowl" [00:49]
assbot Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl Preview | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/12Cm60v ) [00:49]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-st-petersburg-bowl-preview/ [00:50]
BingoBoingo https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8714823 [00:53]
assbot Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl Preview | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1w42I8z ) [00:53]
ben_vulpes yes but who paid for it? [00:53]
* gribble has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:56]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It's a game. The story is in the teams not the sponsors. No one remembers the sponsors of the bowl games. [00:56]
ben_vulpes sports games are stories now? [00:59]
BingoBoingo Marginally. [01:00]
BingoBoingo It's the Bitcoin bowl. There was an obligation to bring attention to how completely mediocre the competitors are. [01:01]
mircea_popescu [Namworld] i guess if they're only interested to see where the ads lead, they wouldn't follow the redirect. trivial curl thing. [01:03]
mircea_popescu hanbot kinda how it works these days huh. [01:03]
mircea_popescu adlai the exchange-reported tx for that day are small, and the books didn't even hold enough. [01:04]
mircea_popescu like, maybe I should just have a WP account. << i can see this. [01:05]
mircea_popescu can prolly set to you know, save draft only. then editor can publish. [01:05]
mircea_popescu i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something <<< sooo... set em right ? [01:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c> unreliable suns of bitches << mp waits patiently for mike to run into women. [01:06]
mircea_popescu nanotube gribble is down and everyone's butthurt about it. [01:07]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/davesund/status/541803828996104192 [01:07]
assbot No matter how badly your season ended, you are nowhere near the level of embarrassment of NC State and UCF fans. /hashtag/BitcoinBowl?src=hash [01:07]
mircea_popescu except for me. i'm watching zoey monroe being fake-gangraped and am all zen about all things. [01:07]
* assbot removes voice from nanotube [01:12]
mircea_popescu !up nanotube [01:12]
-assbot- You voiced nanotube for 30 minutes. [01:12]
* assbot gives voice to nanotube [01:12]
* gernika (~awt@unaffiliated/gernika) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:21]
* gribble (~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:26]
* ChanServ gives voice to gribble [01:26]
* hanbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:26]
* kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [01:27]
mircea_popescu http://debanat.ro/2014/12/afacerist-din-timisoara-dat-in-gat-de-mircea-basescu/ [01:29]
assbot Afacerist din Timisoara, dat in gat de Mircea Basescu | deBanat.ro - spune realitatea! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXjH1u ) [01:29]
mircea_popescu "timisoara businessman accused of romania's outgoing president's brother [who is being sent to jail for a pile of various fraud, corruption and graft charges]" [01:30]
mircea_popescu article goes on to say that name wasn't released, but that the pracitce of buying information about various legal misdeeds of other people is by now a common practice in romania, for they convicted who are also rich. like a trying to get out of jail thing. [01:30]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy. [01:31]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's ovidiu tender yet again. [01:31]
BingoBoingo The ways people cope with the law are weird [01:35]
thestringpuller Zarnescu, interesting... [01:39]
* assbot removes voice from nanotube [01:43]
* lee__ (7acb6f14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.203.111.20) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:48]
* lee__ (7acb6f14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.203.111.20) has left #bitcoin-assets [01:49]
* [Namworld] has quit () [01:53]
* rdekley_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:56]
* rdekley_ (sid32464@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-duwqzxytsuywyahq) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:58]
BingoBoingo http://passcode.csmonitor.com/twitterbot [02:01]
cazalla mircea_popescu, was not sure which dir to set to write, figured better to leave alone, it's not really a big issue as is [02:01]
assbot How I learned to stop worrying and love the Twitterbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6C1S3 ) [02:01]
* mats_cd03 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:07]
* mats_cd03 (sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxahmfiunuuiztjr) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:10]
* elgrecoFL has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:11]
* gernika has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) [02:12]
* gernika (~awt@unaffiliated/gernika) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:12]
* elgrecoFL (sid39955@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vfvyzoobpocjgfom) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:13]
* assbot gives voice to mats_cd03 [02:17]
cazalla mircea_popescu> except for me. i'm watching zoey monroe being fake-gangraped and am all zen about all things <<< ya like the blondes eh [02:19]
* joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:19]
* gsdgdfs (~Trans@modemcable026.188-59-74.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:25]
* yrashk__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:26]
* yrashk__ (sid1568@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lcrbxerdpbeutydn) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:28]
* Transisto has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [02:28]
* ascii_in_bed (~asciilife@156.sub-70-192-209.myvzw.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:29]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_in_bed [02:30]
* assbot gives voice to ascii_in_bed [02:30]
ascii_in_bed ty [02:31]
ascii_in_bed funny how this particular pipe is ddosproof [02:33]
mircea_popescu cazalla she's brunette now. [02:33]
mircea_popescu ascii_in_bed it is ? you kept going off earlier,. [02:33]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller hm ? [02:34]
ascii_in_bed unplugged it earlier [02:34]
mircea_popescu ascii_in_bed so whatcha got over there ? ebola ? [02:35]
ascii_in_bed rather - switched off, toy computer [02:35]
ascii_in_bed flu variant [02:35]
ascii_in_bed mostly done [02:35]
mircea_popescu http://construimimperii.ro/despre-daniel-zarnescu << bwahahaha. [02:36]
assbot Construim ImperiiDespre Daniel Zarnescu - Construim Imperii ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmbWPB ) [02:36]
mircea_popescu "Sunt fondatorul uneia din cele mai mari retele de bloguri de nisa din Romania (Stepout Media), cu siteuri precum: www.construimimperii.ro," i am the founder of one of the biggest niche networks in romania, with sites such as webuildempires [02:36]
mircea_popescu the 20yo makemoneyasleep zombie crowd was funny in 2009, will stay funny in 2019 [02:37]
ascii_in_bed if lives. [02:37]
BingoBoingo ascii_in_bed: Done as in nearly abated, of done as in the virus successfully poetteringized the meat. [02:37]
ascii_in_bed nearly done with bed [02:38]
* JoshG (~hasbro@pool-71-190-215-166.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:39]
* ascii_in_bed has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:44]
* JoshG has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:44]
* mats_cd03 is now known as mats [02:46]
ben_vulpes mats: today i discovered that docker images have a 10GB limit unless you specify otherwise with dm.whatever options on the command line for the docker daemon [02:47]
ben_vulpes may you not be bitten like i was [02:48]
mats i see [02:48]
mircea_popescu magic numbers dude. so fucking important. [02:49]
mircea_popescu what would happen if some idiot somewhere didn't constantly put magic numbers into everything! [02:49]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes check it out, docker is like bdb, except differently named undocumented config file. [02:50]
ben_vulpes well /etc/default/docker but look at it through whatever lens you like baws [02:50]
ben_vulpes 'tis documented in devicemapper. [02:51]
ben_vulpes oh and it's not a *hard* limit, just a default. [02:51]
ben_vulpes but again whatever [02:51]
* copumpkin (~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:57]
* Belxjander has quit (Quit: AmigaOSv4.1.6+//PowerPC native) [03:02]
* Belxjander (~Belxjande@sourcemage/Mage/Abh-Elementalist) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:05]
* Belxjander has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:05]
* smidge (smidge@HSI-KBW-109-193-227-212.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:07]
* Belxjander (~Belxjande@sourcemage/Mage/Abh-Elementalist) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00123759 = 1.2376 BTC [+] {3} [03:13]
cazalla sports games are stories now? <<< and yet it got a bunch of retweets lol [03:19]
BingoBoingo http://rt.com/usa/212327-chlorine-leak-animal-evacuation/ [03:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/12gwv1Y ) [03:27]
* CryptoGoon has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [03:29]
* CryptoGoon (uid44280@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cpjuquqvdadximyo) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:32]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Sm5obIYAArfPw.png:large [03:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/12gyC61 ) [03:40]
* FabianB_ (~fabian@unaffiliated/fabianb) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:41]
* FabianB has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [03:44]
* DiabloD3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:48]
ben_vulpes cazalla: retweets are qntra's metric of choice today? [03:48]
cazalla tbh i was getting into it, a lil' disappointed twitter is yet to unban me [03:50]
cazalla on it's own it's a terrible metric but i keep an eye on it just to see if people are picking up the stories qntra runs [03:51]
punkman ;;ticker [04:00]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 372.87, Best ask: 373.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 372.87, 24 hour volume: 2874.85753656, 24 hour low: 372.85, 24 hour high: 377.5, 24 hour vwap: 375.921112973 [04:00]
punkman http://www.internetisshit.org/print.html [04:02]
assbot The internet is shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmAat2 ) [04:02]
BingoBoingo http://www.salon.com/2014/12/04/new_york_times_propagandists_exposed_finally_the_truth_about_ukraine_and_putin_emerges/ << lulzy [04:18]
assbot New York Times propagandists exposed: Finally, the truth about Ukraine and Putin emerges - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1sb7MD8 ) [04:18]
mircea_popescu punkman well yes, "fairness" as misunderstood by the butthurt parade is going against a hard limit of the universe. [04:18]
mircea_popescu you wanna trade, move to fucking ny. you don't wanna move to ny, stfu and snort coke or w/e they do in la. [04:19]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wait, salon is complaining about nyt propaganda ?! [04:20]
BingoBoingo Looks like it. [04:20]
* BingoBoingo waits for them to say haxxed [04:20]
BingoBoingo Oh qntra is #6 on google for "bitcoin bowl preview" [04:21]
* assbot gives voice to joecool [04:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, "Patrick L. Smith" is making way too much of an interview with... kissinger. [04:22]
mircea_popescu srsly, he's still alive ? [04:23]
BingoBoingo I dunno he can die, lizard heritage [04:23]
mircea_popescu anyway, salon and the derpage is entirely irrelevant to why and wherefore "we knew all along" and saw through the nuland bullshit from day one. [04:24]
mircea_popescu moar plowing flies, didntcha know, some anon derp working for some anon flavour of teh us propaganda has been really pulling the yoke! [04:25]
mircea_popescu that they don't even mention orlov in there is insulting to the russian foreign service lol. [04:25]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [04:26]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NWPWGY.txt ) [04:26]
cazalla BingoBoingo, #5 here [04:26]
BingoBoingo Nice cazalla [04:26]
BingoBoingo See this Salon ignoring Orlov thing is like the rest of the "Bitcoin Press" lapping up Bitpay spending out the ass to sponsor a bowl game while ignoring... That there's actually a game that's now going to be played with teams and stuff. [04:28]
fluffypony https://www.bitcoinrocket.io [04:29]
assbot BitCoinRocket - The official worldwide bitcoin lottery ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmI31A ) [04:30]
fluffypony dose graphix [04:30]
BingoBoingo fluffypony: Actually doesn't look that different compared to some of the 2012 era BTC sites [04:33]
mircea_popescu might even be a recycle [04:34]
fluffypony yes but this one is the "official worldwide" lottery [04:34]
mircea_popescu seems vaguely familiar [04:34]
mircea_popescu fluffypony i suppose not everyone's fortunate enough to be on the receivingend of reader's digest prizes and stuff. which is why they keep doing this firstbiggestbest thing. [04:34]
fluffypony lol [04:34]
mircea_popescu mendelbaum! mendelbaum! mendelbaum! [04:35]
mircea_popescu it's go time. [04:35]
fluffypony first official biggest only best bitcoin foundation [04:35]
* yhwh_ (~yhwh-@unaffiliated/yhwh/x-6819798) has joined #bitcoin-assets [04:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4132 @ 0.00050994 = 2.1071 BTC [+] [04:57]
* arij has quit (Quit: Accidentally the whole network) [05:12]
* arij (~arij@d34th.cf) has joined #bitcoin-assets [05:15]
* arij is now known as Guest89110 [05:15]
* Guest89110 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [05:20]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [11:51]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com [11:51]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014 [11:51]
-assbot- Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. [11:51]
* assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu [11:52]
-assbot- You are now voiced in #bitcoin-assets. [11:52]
BingoBoingo http://www.wired.com/2014/12/da-bom/ [11:56]
assbot Turns Out the Dot-Com Bust's Worst Flops Were Actually Fantastic Ideas | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zikOou ) [11:56]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [11:57]
mircea_popescu let me guess, it was only because of evil republicans pushing their obsolete, meanwhile technologically-revolutionized ideas about scarcity [11:57]
mircea_popescu that the bubble popped ? [11:57]
BingoBoingo "We’re still waiting for Kozmo 2.0. But there’s also good reason to applaud the folks behind Flooz.com. They wanted to create their own internet-based currency, and though Flooz was a flop, bitcoin has now shown that digital currency can play huge role in the modern world." [12:00]
BingoBoingo "Even the Pets.com idea is looking mighty good. The basic notion that people wanted to buy pet food online and have it delivered to their homes turns out to be a sound one." [12:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla: mats, about a month ago, forget which article, wasn't that dramatic << http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/#comment-109570 [12:00]
assbot WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G76mSo ) [12:00]
mircea_popescu it was over swol. [12:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah, totally, because "ideas" are what matters. so what if flooz.com was roughly equivalent to reddit derps making redditcoin. IT WAS AN IDEA. [12:01]
mircea_popescu i'm sure all the various 19yos that had THE IDEA of you know, a bunch of naked women in your house, are spiritual forefathers to the harem. [12:02]
mircea_popescu fuck the arabs and so on. what, 1600s existed now ?! [12:02]
BingoBoingo Sure and pets.com was an idea, that could have totally worked if the thing actually was budgeted to live off of retailer profit margins instead of a VC funded money fire [12:02]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how ideas work. [12:02]
* mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:03]
BingoBoingo Maybe I don't [12:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, wasn't pets.com basically groupon arbitrarily limited for the pets scam only ? [12:03]
* Rory (~rory@80.87.25.50) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:03]
mircea_popescu !up Rory [12:03]
-assbot- You voiced Rory for 30 minutes. [12:03]
* assbot gives voice to Rory [12:03]
* assbot gives voice to mike_c [12:03]
mircea_popescu ie, "we're fleecing the living dailights out of you for no reason, but if you assemble in large groups we'll fleece a little less ?" [12:03]
* Rory is now known as Guest87077 [12:03]
BingoBoingo Oh, it was a whole Amazon.com style retailer I thought [12:05]
* yhwh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [12:05]
mircea_popescu nope. [12:05]
mircea_popescu it was just a petfood seller with the odd idea of actually buying warehouses. [12:05]
mats gambling is a rough biz [12:06]
mircea_popescu to put a face on "VC funded money fire" : https://www.google.com/search?q=Ann+L.+Winblad&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch [12:07]
assbot Ann L. Winblad - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1zinzWO ) [12:07]
BingoBoingo Oh, the sock puppet sold for $125,000 to another startup? [12:07]
mircea_popescu uh ? [12:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The pets.com mascot [12:10]
adlai and is there an api to this thing? [12:10]
mircea_popescu lol i had no idea. [12:10]
mircea_popescu but since we're doing "faces of Wasted Money" http://dondodge.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/21/005.jpg check out the graduating class of awkward 2010. [12:11]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881511.0 << lulzy [12:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G77WDy ) [12:11]
assbot Gauge of interest - looking to raise 25 BTC in January for inventory ... ( http://bit.ly/1G77TYq ) [12:11]
mircea_popescu " Very little overhead - because hardware sales is just a necessary part in this service industry." mkay, very logics in this verbiage. [12:14]
mircea_popescu ;;seen jdany [12:14]
gribble I have not seen jdany. [12:14]
mircea_popescu hm. [12:14]
* assbot removes voice from rdymac [12:15]
* yhwh_ (~yhwh@unaffiliated/yhwh/x-6819798) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:15]
mircea_popescu Oct 13 04:07:13 * jdany has quit () heh i knew i saw the name. [12:15]
BingoBoingo Amazing how the forum dreams have shrank from million BTC datacenters to, pls halp my store. [12:15]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [12:15]
mircea_popescu ;;seen jdany_ [12:16]
gribble jdany_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second ago: I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed [12:16]
mircea_popescu there we go. [12:16]
* adlai has grand dreams but keeps his mouth shut, mostly [12:16]
mircea_popescu the pets.com thing, incidentally, was exactly opposite to bitcoin : wildly popular with the something awful centered libtard crowd. [12:20]
* Guest87077 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [12:20]
BingoBoingo Sure. They figured if pets.com could get dollars dumped on them, any idea could get them paid. On the other hand Bitcoin even in the earliest days supposed people STFU and get in line. [12:21]
danielpbarron is 15% monthly gains considered a conservative estimate or what? are the tardstalkers still so gullible? [12:22]
* Guest67532 has quit (Changing host) [12:22]
* Guest67532 (~arij@unaffiliated/arij) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:22]
* Guest67532 (~arij@unaffiliated/arij) has left #bitcoin-assets [12:22]
* shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:24]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron these numbers are i suspect based in biology. they're not about to change. [12:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-532341266-gane-dinero-mientras-duerme-_JM [12:25]
assbot Gane Dinero Mientras Duerme - $ 28,00 en MercadoLibre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zitf2Q ) [12:25]
* yhwh__ (~yhwh@unaffiliated/yhwh/x-6819798) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:26]
* yhwh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [12:27]
mircea_popescu "They believe the extreme difficulty of collection that the Debtors and/or the Committee will face in the event a judgment is entered against Mr. Barber warrants an approval of the Mutual Release, subject to the right of the Debtors and the Committee to pursue claims against Mr. Barber to the extent there is insurance coverage available to pay such claims." [12:29]
fluffypony lol BingoBoingo [12:29]
mircea_popescu basically guy ain't going to jale. [12:29]
fluffypony 25 BTC is BTCJam loan level [12:29]
mircea_popescu "Mr. Barber’s financial statement shows that he is currently insolvent on a balance sheet basis." [12:29]
mircea_popescu fluffypony you'd be surprised. it WAS. [12:29]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell zaht http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948202 there you go, close enough. [12:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:31]
assbot Logged on 08-12-2014 15:26:33; mircea_popescu: "Mr. Barber’s financial statement shows that he is currently insolvent on a balance sheet basis." [12:31]
* yhwh__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:31]
mircea_popescu "Mr. Barber does not have the ability to fund a defense of any cause of action and would likely be forced into a chapter 7 if forced to defend against claims brought by the estate. The financial statement suggests that such a chapter 7 filing would be determined to be a “no asset” case. Accordingly, the Debtors and the Committee believe that absent a settlement, it would be very difficult to collect anything at all [12:32]
mircea_popescu from Mr. Barber, even if a judgment was already in hand today. This factor weighed heavily in the Debtors’ and Committee’s decision-making." [12:32]
mircea_popescu so the tardstalk schmucks were going around acting as if this utter bum is somehow a businessman. [12:32]
mircea_popescu one of 'em huh. [12:32]
mircea_popescu "It also shows that he has no material unencumbered assets, and that his encumbered assets (primary residence and vehicles) have no equity." [12:32]
mircea_popescu cazalla nice publish srsly. [12:33]
* yhwh_ (~yhwh@unaffiliated/yhwh/x-6819798) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:34]
mircea_popescu so the "legal process" in california is so very effectual, guy walks o jesus. ok, ima write this up. [12:34]
fluffypony have we spoken about the new Just Dice yet? [12:36]
BingoBoingo Not yet? [12:36]
* yhwh__ (~yhwh@unaffiliated/yhwh/x-6819798) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:37]
fluffypony I'm still trying to figure out the raison d'être for CLAMs [12:38]
fluffypony I mean the altcoin, not the seafood [12:38]
BingoBoingo What's their shtick? [12:39]
* yhwh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:39]
fluffypony I dunno, maybe dooglus can enlighten us [12:40]
mircea_popescu fluffypony something like http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ 2012 is too far in the past so we don't remember it, therefore must make bitcoin clone to say it's a gaming currence ? [12:40]
assbot The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7bshw ) [12:40]
fluffypony lol [12:41]
mircea_popescu but that's essentially it, right ? "your honor, this is internet funbux likle wow gold and monopoly money, stfu and go home". [12:42]
mircea_popescu seems to me better to defend the defensible position rather than try and defend an undefensible positon that's nevertheless slightly more inland. but wtf do i know about strategy. [12:42]
fluffypony sure [12:45]
fluffypony but [12:45]
fluffypony CLAMs are "special" because if you owned Bitcoin or Dogecoin or Litecoin at some magical date when it launched or whatever, then you can "redeem" CLAMs [12:45]
mircea_popescu uh. [12:46]
mircea_popescu wait i recall this thing. why do you figure it's related to dooglus ? [12:47]
fluffypony so in a court of law I'm certain the argument could be made that it has equivalency, and merely giving it a new name doesn't make it any different to Bitcoin [12:47]
mircea_popescu i thought he was making some new jd-special coin. [12:47]
fluffypony nope [12:47]
fluffypony JD was relaunched as CLAMs only [12:47]
mircea_popescu eh. [12:47]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884724.msg9773474#msg9773474 [12:47]
assbot Just-Dice.com Relaunched! With CLAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziAAQd ) [12:47]
mircea_popescu that was dumb, bt anyway. [12:47]
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613.msg9772760#msg9772760 [12:47]
assbot Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziADLR ) [12:47]
mircea_popescu "Mandatory Update/Fork Complete!" heh. [12:47]
mircea_popescu dooglus duide seriously that was the stupidest move ever. you could have just sold the damned site. [12:49]
mircea_popescu i like this guy, but he has the communication abilities of an engineer, and as a result ends up with the local minimums ffs. [12:49]
BingoBoingo Maybe that's the point of the clams thing, being a kind of retarded mess that's going to be a huge pain for rgulators. [12:51]
fluffypony hah hah [12:51]
fluffypony tell the regulators that the USG owns CLAMs by virtue of them having a bunch of BTC in May? [12:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 127 @ 0.01027433 = 1.3048 BTC [-] [12:52]
BingoBoingo Oh, I'm thinking make the attourneys or whoever sink fucktons of time into figuring out just what clams are. [12:52]
mircea_popescu anyway i dun really see this is fixable. [12:52]
mircea_popescu ;;rated dooglus [12:52]
gribble You rated user dooglus on Wed Jul 2 22:02:07 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Truly a pillar of the community.. [12:52]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate dooglus [12:52]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for dooglus. [12:53]
* shovel_boss has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:53]
* shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:53]
mircea_popescu im so fucking sick of asicminerism i can't even begin to tell it all. [12:54]
TomServo these clams are some pretty good lulz though [12:54]
mircea_popescu bitcoin brings the worst autist specimens up for air. [12:54]
BingoBoingo The big flaw with it is that dooglus came with too much quantity of name for this. People are going to be all "let's make clams have value" and dooglus goes back to what he tried to avoid. [12:55]
TomServo at least they're upfront about wanting to redistribute 'satoshi's horde' [12:55]
mircea_popescu the onl;y thing i see them being upfront about is being derps. [12:56]
* assbot gives voice to Namworld [13:00]
Namworld The heck is clams? [13:00]
TomServo crypto clams, yo [13:01]
TomServo because not every slang word for cash was used yet [13:01]
mircea_popescu haha. is there coinbread yet ? [13:01]
mircea_popescu cheezebit ? [13:01]
mircea_popescu Namworld some derpage https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-clam-clams-proof-of-key-3-1-million-distributed.318751/ [13:02]
assbot [ANN][CLAM] CLAMS > Proof-Of-Key > 3.1 Million Distributed | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7em5S ) [13:02]
mircea_popescu check out misspelled announcement JPH [13:03]
mircea_popescu because you can't fucking write text, it's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it that matters. gotta make a fucking drawing of it. [13:03]
* Diablo-D3 (~diablo@exelion.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:07]
* kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:07]
* HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [13:08]
* shovel_boss has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [13:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00053371 = 4.7767 BTC [+] [13:13]
scoopbot New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/12/08/bowl-season/ [13:16]
BingoBoingo http://thecryptosphere.com/2014/10/10/exclusive-matt-dehart-coverage-paul-dehart-and-tor-ekelund-interviewed/ [13:18]
assbot Exclusive Matt DeHart coverage: Paul DeHart and Tor Ekeland Interviewed | The Cryptosphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7ghas ) [13:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.0005338 = 7.6333 BTC [+] {2} [13:20]
mircea_popescu http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=just%20because%20from:mircea_popescu << i think i found a great way to traverse the logs [13:23]
assbot 276 results for 'just because from:mircea_popescu' - #bitcoin-assets search [13:23]
* Rory (~rory@213.205.229.127) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:25]
* Rory is now known as Guest59892 [13:26]
mircea_popescu jurov sometimes when clicking on charts on coinbr i get nginx "service temporary unavailable". it always goes away if i reload [13:29]
mircea_popescu but i wonder how many people don't think to reload ? [13:29]
jurov it's anti-ddos rate limit [13:30]
mircea_popescu it always hits me on the first visit tho. [13:30]
adlai same [13:30]
mircea_popescu it must be some session cookie or something ? [13:30]
BingoBoingo pre-emptive rate limit [13:31]
jurov on the second visit, browser has cached stuff and doesn;t do so many requests [13:33]
jurov but it's something i must fix [13:33]
mircea_popescu oh i see. [13:33]
mircea_popescu makes sense. [13:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was going to link to you and figured graphs are cool, but will just link the root and well... [13:33]
* joecool has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:34]
asciilifeform ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust. [13:35]
asciilifeform (see also thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931927 ) [13:36]
assbot Logged on 23-11-2014 05:04:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet. [13:36]
jurov asciilifeform you basically want telco network, where every packed knows who paid for it [13:36]
asciilifeform as it is, ddos mitigation does at least as much damage as the disease itself [13:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not so sure. i kinda like it. [13:36]
asciilifeform jurov: not the idiot 'stop spam via taxation' scheme that everyone is familiar with, no [13:37]
asciilifeform that just ensures hegemony of the richest spammer [13:37]
mircea_popescu how do you prevent your system from going there ? [13:37]
asciilifeform wot at the packet route level. [13:37]
asciilifeform (or, question of how to prevent owners of large, expensive pipes - e.g., transatlantic - from charging for seats in wot? you don't, if you want them built & maintained, and this is approximately what they have now) [13:39]
BingoBoingo qntra write up coming http://blog.blockchain.com/2014/12/08/blockchain-info-security-disclosure/ [13:44]
assbot Blockchain.info Security Disclosure | Blockchain Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7jiHS ) [13:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not quite. [13:47]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-aus-dem-leben-der-marionetten/ << neone seen this one ? it's not so bad. [13:49]
assbot [NSFW] Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHUvYK ) [13:49]
* iang_fc (ae3f267d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.63.38.125) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:00]
* assbot gives voice to Pierre_Rochard [14:01]
Pierre_Rochard !up iang_fc [14:01]
* assbot gives voice to iang_fc [14:01]
Pierre_Rochard iang_fc: welcome to #bitcoin-assets [14:01]
mircea_popescu ello./ [14:02]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/12/david-blishen.htm << flondor nominee ? [14:02]
Pierre_Rochard background for those of us not on twitter: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/541999761684201472 [14:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7lkaS ) [14:02]
assbot This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash [14:02]
* hanbot (~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:02]
* assbot gives voice to hanbot [14:02]
* iang_fc has quit (Client Quit) [14:02]
fluffypony well I guess he struggles with the interwebs [14:05]
asciilifeform jurov: you were probably thinking of the ancient classic: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt [14:05]
fluffypony no wonder he says we should ditch PGP [14:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7lG1g ) [14:05]
asciilifeform '1. ditch PGP, it's a millstone.' << leper is ringing his bell. thank him and cross the street to avoid contagion [14:07]
* GoMaD has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [14:08]
Pierre_Rochard !b 1 [14:08]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2T0QKA9.txt ) [14:08]
jurov asciilifeform: on one side we explain to everyone how wot ratings are to be manually examined and not rating or similar number used... on other side you consider rating suitable for routing priority? [14:11]
jurov *and not cumulative rating... [14:12]
asciilifeform where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs [14:12]
jurov so how do you imagine_ [14:12]
* mircea_popescu sees his name mentioned, goes to see wtf. [14:13]
jurov any wot that can be collapsed down to one number can and will be abused [14:13]
mircea_popescu "as it's what I built & delivered 18 years back ;-)" o that's nice. [14:13]
mircea_popescu link ? [14:13]
asciilifeform jurov: perhaps i ought to have explained. not wot in the sense of numerics [14:13]
mircea_popescu o wait, he left. heh mk. [14:13]
asciilifeform jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931948 [14:14]
assbot Logged on 23-11-2014 05:11:53; asciilifeform: a 4096-bit rsa signature and key fp fit handily in a udp minimal packet. [14:14]
asciilifeform jurov: a 'wot-enabled' router will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys [14:14]
* xanthyos (xanthyos@silenceisdefeat.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:14]
mircea_popescu dude how is it that all these dudes with wild historicity claims fail to back them up ? [14:14]
mircea_popescu i recall that "badon effect" dude reducing his "2004" to "2012" on the first cursory examination. [14:15]
asciilifeform (and - optionally - drop others, if congestion sensors are tripped) [14:15]
mircea_popescu jurov i imagine he just wants a more continuous bgp arrangement. [14:15]
jurov how will router determine? ;;gettrust self source? [14:15]
mircea_popescu rather than the very discrete "either you're in or out of the group" thing [14:15]
asciilifeform what i want can be approximately described as 'internet that does not operate on the rivers of meat principle' [14:16]
asciilifeform that is, explicitly anti-democratic. [14:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but still used by rivers of meat ? [14:16]
asciilifeform used by the users. [14:16]
jurov "will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys" sounds to me exactly like "either you're in or out of the group" [14:16]
asciilifeform elementarily. [14:16]
mircea_popescu answer the q lol. [14:16]
mircea_popescu jurov yes but more layers to the group. [14:16]
mircea_popescu currently the way it works is however many people can route you in or out. and that's that. [14:17]
mircea_popescu (so not wanting to relive the experience of the cabal they mostly don't use it) [14:17]
asciilifeform used by potentially anyone, but 'deadheads' (non-wot folks) will ride in the back of the bus at all times. [14:17]
mircea_popescu his idea would allow layers to work better. [14:17]
* assbot gives voice to xanthyos [14:17]
* HeySteve (~Lizard__W@197.83.197.155) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:19]
* HeySteve has quit (Changing host) [14:19]
* HeySteve (~Lizard__W@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:19]
asciilifeform i'll spill the beans, if somebody wants to reimplement. basic unit of transmission is 'raptor code' over udp. hence - connectionless. [14:19]
asciilifeform thus every packet identifies what pubkey (i.e. who signed) and what particular fountain it belongs to (what's a fountain? see definition of 'raptor' and other 'fountain' erasure codes) [14:20]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/blockchain-info-discloses-vulnerability-window/ [14:20]
asciilifeform parameters of raptorcode can be tweaked depending on noise floor values (e.g. shortwave in the apocalyptic wasteland requires more 'leg room' than comfortable modern net under ideal peacetime conditions) [14:21]
* HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:21]
* joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:22]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.msg9774894#msg9774894 [14:23]
assbot Reused R values again ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7nNlJ ) [14:23]
mircea_popescu this will be a nightmare for gaming. [14:25]
asciilifeform gaming already uses udp [14:25]
mircea_popescu low latency tho. [14:25]
asciilifeform just, sans signatures (or erasure code or any mechanism whatsoever for reliable delivery) [14:25]
asciilifeform my scheme, given hardware acceleration for the signer & erasure decoder, is as low latency as it gets [14:26]
asciilifeform thing is, with a code like raptor, -order- of packets no longer matters [14:26]
asciilifeform it's a pure k-of-n decode [14:26]
xanthyos asciilifeform: were you ever into packet terminal on ham radio? [14:27]
asciilifeform anyone who wants to do this - can go do. vita brevis. [14:27]
asciilifeform xanthyos: nope. [14:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo heh counterparty eh ? [14:27]
mircea_popescu qntra! [14:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hm. [14:28]
asciilifeform anyone who wonders why this was never done... answer - uses mathematics that did not exist when the net was built (reed-solomon existed, yes! but quite inefficient) [14:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, the derps derped about their webwallets on blockchain.info being safe. In the end it was blockchain.info that fucked them. [14:29]
mircea_popescu "There seems to be a new buggy program that reuses the same R value for all signatures in a transaction. It started around September 2014" [14:30]
* napedia (~napedia@unaffiliated/napedia) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:30]
mircea_popescu "Note that the addresses that appear only in the second list still may be in danger, e.g., if they stem from a BIP32 wallet and one knows the "xpub" public key." [14:30]
* davout has quit (Quit: kthxbye) [14:30]
mircea_popescu specifically, this gives the lie, exemplarily, to "oh, bip32 poses no threat to your security" [14:30]
mircea_popescu it does. practical proof here. [14:31]
asciilifeform the lie was obvious to an alert first-grader. [14:31]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, we're surrounded by women. [14:32]
mircea_popescu and women aren't gradable. [14:32]
asciilifeform ?! [14:32]
asciilifeform women or 'women' [14:32]
asciilifeform i.e. eunuchs [14:32]
* asciilifeform is somewhat befuddled by mircea_popescu's habit of referring to eunuchs as 'women' [14:33]
mircea_popescu why ? [14:33]
asciilifeform for the same reason that a man who has freshly lost his head in the guillotine is not 'the headless horseman' [14:34]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [14:34]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DF1PYK.txt ) [14:34]
asciilifeform and, conversely, one who had a second head sewn on by a demented vivisectionist is not a Yottin [14:34]
mircea_popescu functionally the same. [14:35]
asciilifeform l0l! [14:35]
* asciilifeform 'doesn't swing that way', can't really agree [14:35]
asciilifeform at any rate, it's confusing as hell to n00bs, i imagine [14:35]
mircea_popescu but in this line of thinking you're baking in ulterior considerations into an anterior branch of the thought tree. [14:35]
mircea_popescu not how it's supposed to be done. [14:35]
mircea_popescu so ? [14:36]
mircea_popescu let em figure things out. [14:36]
mircea_popescu plurisemy and syntactico-lexical ambiguity are the actual reasons language is an adequate medium of thought, [14:36]
asciilifeform ulterior << not even buying the 'they work precisely alike if you don't attempt to fuck'em' hypothesis [14:36]
mircea_popescu where code is not. [14:36]
asciilifeform unless i'm seriously missing something [14:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose you are to deliver cattle. [14:36]
mircea_popescu suppose buyer also takes goats. [14:36]
mircea_popescu "goats aren't cattle" ? [14:37]
asciilifeform more of a 'steer is not functionally identical to a cow' sort of thing here. [14:37]
mircea_popescu if i'm sending it to the mcdonalds factory it might be. [14:37]
mircea_popescu otherwise, no cow is identical to any other cow. [14:38]
asciilifeform meat processing experts - chime in [14:38]
BingoBoingo more of a 'steer is not functionally identical to a cow' sort of thing here. << WHen collected for meat it is [14:38]
mircea_popescu here's the thing : bug parts are functionally identical to rice, [14:38]
mircea_popescu provided there's not more than 50 ppm of them. [14:38]
mircea_popescu the fda says so! [14:38]
asciilifeform the upper limit - shall be found experimentally. this - we know. [14:39]
asciilifeform possibly it is 100%. given the correct reprocessor. [14:39]
mircea_popescu so. obviously for the needs of your own bed you may employ whatever perverse criteria. [14:40]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, the entire content of chumpatron X is going to be x. [14:40]
mircea_popescu all people in prison - prisoners. whether "guilty" or "innocent". all those in the insane asylum - insane. [14:41]
mircea_popescu on it goes. [14:41]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hashfast-or-why-the-fiat-legal-system-doesnt-actually-exist-and-doesnt-actually-matter/ [14:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ also see first note there, oddly on point. [14:42]
* jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:43]
* jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has left #bitcoin-assets [14:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis [14:44]
assbot Social osteoporosis (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7pYWg ) [14:44]
* jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:44]
ben_vulpes re bug parts and rice have y'all heard about the cockroach protein farms in china? [14:45]
mircea_popescu myeah. one step above shrimp amirite [14:47]
asciilifeform 'land shrimp' [14:47]
asciilifeform favourite of downed pilots around the world. [14:47]
mircea_popescu "a horrid sort of gossipy social activism" o ya. [14:53]
mircea_popescu social osteoporosis. quite apt. [14:54]
mircea_popescu "tern Daddy-goverment, wars and prisons and all, I [14:56]
mircea_popescu reflect that it's too bad we gave anyone over 40 the vote" <<< for what it's worth, this is a woesome misrepresentation of the male. it's the beta male fighing for cotnrol, about as relevant in the discussion as the fat female fighting for reproductive equality. [14:56]
* BitLuckInfo (5fa1029d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.161.2.157) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:56]
mircea_popescu !up BitLuckInfo [14:56]
-assbot- You voiced BitLuckInfo for 30 minutes. [14:56]
* assbot gives voice to BitLuckInfo [14:56]
asciilifeform zoological discussion tends to be about the organisms that 'make the weather' - most numerous or at least, most detectable [14:57]
mircea_popescu by this token a discussion of primitive village demographics will center on the visible males [14:58]
mircea_popescu whereas the chieftain fathers 50% of the actual offspring on a regular basis. [14:58]
* asciilifeform did not know that this was a secret [14:59]
asciilifeform not even unusually high in mammalian world alone - consider, e.g., elephant seal [14:59]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ let [14:59]
assbot [NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjfAsA ) [15:00]
mircea_popescu 's instead consider the underclass teenaged female. [15:00]
mircea_popescu shapelier. [15:00]
asciilifeform lol [15:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16423 @ 0.00053474 = 8.782 BTC [+] {2} [15:00]
asciilifeform sure of this ? [15:00]
asciilifeform (not where i live, they aren't!) [15:00]
* BitLuckInfo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:00]
* HeySteve (~Lizard__W@197.83.197.155) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:01]
* HeySteve has quit (Changing host) [15:01]
* HeySteve (~Lizard__W@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:01]
mircea_popescu well fwis. [15:01]
mircea_popescu * BitLuckInfo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) << you know this makes me feel a lot better about giving out voice / ratings to noobs. [15:01]
mircea_popescu how many failed to get in today, 3 ? 5 ? [15:01]
asciilifeform incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection) [15:02]
asciilifeform and anyone who wishes can walk away with them. [15:02]
mircea_popescu kinda the point lol. [15:02]
asciilifeform (they aren't 'pwned' in the traditional - permanent - sense) [15:03]
mircea_popescu i wish to see the noob that does that, rather than coming in here trying to derp about how "they did it 18 years ago" [15:03]
* HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:03]
* Guest59892 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:03]
asciilifeform nothing stops anyone reading this from firing up 'tcpdump', logging uncloaked into #b-a a few hundred times, grabbing a dump similar to my own but more complete, and pointing the idiot boxes at, e.g., 'reddit' 24/7/365. [15:04]
asciilifeform until they all get booted by respective isp [15:04]
mircea_popescu indeed. [15:05]
* asciilifeform always thought even a chimp could follow his recipes. what does he need to add, pictures? voices? music? [15:05]
mircea_popescu you need to add not caring :D [15:06]
* asciilifeform possesses an infinite supply of not-caring-juice [15:06]
mircea_popescu let 'em figure it out. the stuff's there, they may, eventually they will, who cares. [15:07]
mircea_popescu tits. [15:07]
mircea_popescu http://www.danielalepus.ro/danielalepus_ro_database.sql << meanwhile some more lol [15:08]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zji89W ) [15:08]
ben_vulpes nothing but time and incentive. [15:09]
asciilifeform the smell of rotting corpse of enemy not incentive ? [15:09]
asciilifeform not incentive enough ? [15:09]
ben_vulpes what's the market telling you? [15:10]
mircea_popescu you srsly think reddit is relevant in that sense ? [15:10]
asciilifeform 'reddit' used as example [15:10]
ben_vulpes and in what sense does redirecting a ddos actually lead to a rotting corpse? [15:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if you want the entire recipe that leads to proper corpse, you will have to derive it yourself [15:11]
mircea_popescu no but seriously, so through this or any other million ways one so inclined could create a ddos network. ok, so ? [15:12]
asciilifeform for now may settle for the classical 'if you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by.' [15:12]
asciilifeform point is not to create ddos, but to swat a mosquito [15:12]
mircea_popescu seems to me more like discussing @ cavalry officer's mess all about how there's a bunch of reeds on a riverside "free for the taking" [15:13]
mircea_popescu "and they'd make excellent stickhorses!" [15:13]
mircea_popescu well... ok ? [15:13]
asciilifeform mosquito flies around #b-a annoyingly, and no one swats. i found this odd. [15:13]
mircea_popescu im still trying to find the annoying part. [15:13]
* xanthyos has quit (Quit: leaving) [15:13]
asciilifeform well, someone not long ago tried to invite a n00b to #b-a [15:13]
asciilifeform neglecting to mention the surprise [15:13]
mircea_popescu but the noob was an online expert. he'll figure it out. [15:14]
asciilifeform lol [15:14]
mircea_popescu because the sort of people who "invented it all 18 years ago" tend (in my experience at least) to also be the sort that won't have their venues limited by kids with fiddy routers. [15:14]
mircea_popescu i could of course be entirely wrong, maybe he's really a woman and needs special encouragement to "participate". [15:15]
* asciilifeform missing the reference to the '18 years' [15:15]
asciilifeform is this another '3 ani experienta' ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu it's in danielpbarron link lemme fish it [15:15]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/iang_fc/status/541987415997841408 [15:16]
assbot This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash [15:16]
asciilifeform aha! that one [15:16]
mircea_popescu well that was it no ? [15:17]
asciilifeform 'it was what i built and delivered' minus pgp, minus xxx, yyy, hell knows how many details that looked like 'irrelevant hair' to the imbecile [15:17]
asciilifeform !s blub [15:17]
assbot 2 results for 'blub' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blub [15:17]
mircea_popescu * iang_fc (ae3f267d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.63.38.125) has joined #bitcoin-assets < [15:17]
* adlai just got approval to work in lisp [15:18]
adlai speaking of blub :D [15:18]
asciilifeform approval from whom? [15:18]
asciilifeform lizard hitler ? [15:18]
fluffypony steve jobs' ghost [15:18]
adlai fons pecunia [15:19]
mircea_popescu lol [15:19]
asciilifeform 'You can buy the assets of an ASIC miner company for the eminently NOT lowball offer of 20k' (from mircea_popescu's article) << let's guess. fabless asic co. ? [15:21]
asciilifeform if fabless, they owned what? a set of masks, that an undergrad could easily cough up at this point? a list of peculiarly gullible chumps? - anyone with a net connection can regenerate that oen [15:21]
asciilifeform *one [15:21]
asciilifeform so what's the asset that is even worth the 20 tonnes usd ? [15:22]
asciilifeform (walketh there, upon the greene earth, a non-fabless mining asic co?) [15:22]
asciilifeform ^ other than ft. meade [15:22]
mircea_popescu they're all fabless. [15:24]
mircea_popescu and it owned... you know. valuable shit. like all of 'em. [15:24]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: i have a present for you! [15:24]
mircea_popescu what's bitpay worth 300mn for ? [15:24]
thestringpuller bitpay is valued at 300mn now? [15:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what is the skepter of lizard hitler worth? the 300mn is simply the figure usg saw fit to write into the work of fiction [15:25]
asciilifeform they could as easily write 300, 30, or 3e-10 [15:26]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: present << a defunct fabless asic co? you can keep that one [15:27]
asciilifeform or give to city dogcatcher, it's for the soap boilers [15:28]
asciilifeform (re: miner asics: anyone who gives a damn can find, in #b-a logs, my reasonably well-supported hypothesis that miner asic never actually -happened.- that is, there are devices, and they - approximately - work, but they are not 'asics' in the traditional sense. more 'hardcopy fpga.' - actual term of art) [15:29]
asciilifeform aka 'structured asic' [15:30]
asciilifeform these have approximately the same relationship with 'proper' asic as 'visual basic' turdware has with traditional computer program by reasonably-competent student of 'c'. [15:31]
punkman re: iang_fc http://www.systemics.com/products.html [15:31]
assbot Systemics - Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjpvOP ) [15:31]
asciilifeform 'hushmail' << checkmate [15:31]
asciilifeform damnatio memoriae. [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6421 @ 0.00053306 = 3.4228 BTC [-] {2} [15:33]
* Dimsler (~dimsler@68.123.171.108.client.static.strong-in129.as13926.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:37]
* assbot gives voice to fluffypony [15:38]
* OneFixt has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:45]
* OneFixt (~OneFixt@unaffiliated/onefixt) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:46]
mats TSLA tumbles another 4% [15:58]
fluffypony clickbaitz [15:58]
fluffypony http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/12/mysterious-politician-steps-in-to-buy-bitcoin-startup-hashfasts-assets/ [15:58]
assbot Mysterious politician steps in to buy Bitcoin startup HashFast’s assets | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1z08yaQ ) [15:58]
fluffypony although this is lulzy - [16:00]
fluffypony 'Such a move baffled the veteran bankruptcy judge, Dennis Montali. "What troubled me was to read that Mr. Ochoa will allow the debtor to buy mining boards?" he said from the bench. "This is like a patient that is going to die from three different things and now you're suggesting a fourth surgery," he added. "Now they want to do a hip transplant? Why?"' [16:00]
asciilifeform re: bankrupt: obligatory naggum: [16:07]
asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3199109843356887@naggum.net.html [16:07]
assbot Re: ...and even for those _NOT_ interested... - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1z09c8y ) [16:07]
asciilifeform 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.' [16:07]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: nah but a hint, the present is driven by this chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricoh_5A22 [16:33]
fluffypony lol [16:34]
fluffypony not the Gameboy cpu? [16:35]
thestringpuller lol [16:37]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [16:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 366.78, Best ask: 367.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 367.01, 24 hour volume: 8639.23100628, 24 hour low: 365.25, 24 hour high: 377.5, 24 hour vwap: 369.680083909 [16:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14896 @ 0.00053056 = 7.9032 BTC [-] {2} [16:40]
* Dimsler (~dimsler@68.123.171.108.client.static.strong-in129.as13926.net) has left #bitcoin-assets [16:41]
mircea_popescu aka 'structured asic' <<< this was true last year. meanwhile tho... look at the hash per power figures. [16:47]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [16:51]
gribble 279536224.11 [16:51]
thestringpuller interessant mon ami [16:51]
thestringpuller meanwhile http://www.shitexpress.com/blog/how-we-earned-10120-usd-in-30-days-by-sending-horse-poop-to-people-amazing-kickstart-of-a-marketing-experiment/?bitcoin [16:52]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:52]
* TomServo highfives assbot. [16:58]
* assbot gives voice to rithm [16:58]
rithm that shitexpress blog post gets my vote for blog post of the year [16:58]
rithm so HN worthy [16:58]
mircea_popescu "Anyone who plans to waste the shareholders' money can undercut the competition. The easiest thing in the world is to charge too little, it is just as easy as spending too much of other people's money. Customers will flock to those who do because they are giving away some, if not all, of the value for free. Somebody may even pick up the underpriced goods and sell them at a profit when the stupid company ceases to ex [16:59]
mircea_popescu ist or raises prices to try to survive after all." [16:59]
mircea_popescu pretty great. ima save five gallons of twitter for a few years ? [16:59]
mircea_popescu wtf does this work when the "value" given away isn't even worth anything. [17:00]
mthreat https://coedtoplesspulpfiction.wordpress.com/ [17:02]
assbot The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society | Burn Bras, Not Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0b2eI ) [17:02]
mircea_popescu mthreat sent them an email inviting them to participate in teh http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ [17:05]
mircea_popescu curious if this goes anywhere. [17:05]
assbot I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0bs4I ) [17:05]
* joecool has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [17:06]
* daybyter (~andreas@88.134.13.210) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:10]
* daybyter has quit (Excess Flood) [17:12]
* jborkl has quit (Quit: jborkl) [17:15]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation http://trilema.com/2013/and-now-i-shall-be-off-scarfing-smoked-salmon-and-fresh-apple-pie-seasoned-with-free-market-tears-or-why-a-collection-of-confused-retards-does-not-amount-to-a-free-market/#footnote_0_49891 << prolly relevant to your interests. [17:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:18]
assbot And now I shall be off scarfing smoked salmon and fresh apple pie seasoned with free market tears, or Why a collection of confused retards does not amount to a free market. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywDtJd ) [17:18]
* devthedev (~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:23]
* nubbins` (~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:25]
thestringpuller [17:26]
thestringpuller oops [17:26]
* Xuthus (~X0FF@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:30]
thestringpuller ~> [17:34]
thestringpuller ~> [17:34]
mats mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/E5NU7nXx and as for subtext, idk that there is any ... the man is powerful and developing a young woman, and wants people at the hotel to know it. [17:44]
assbot A young tigress is waiting in line at the bus station. Up on her high heels, eye - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s54dUr ) [17:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00053071 = 1.4595 BTC [+] [17:52]
* joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:00]
* copain_reac (~copain_re@85.69.19.198) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:03]
* Lycerion_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [18:05]
* copain_reac has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [18:09]
* Xuthus has quit (Quit: .) [18:10]
asciilifeform look at the hash per power figures << who wants to share a link to an experimenter they trust, with valid measurements? because why would i believe a word that ever came out of the manufacturers' mouths (proven liars, to a man, afaik) [18:25]
asciilifeform 'nethash' may give one side of the equation (hash), but other (power) remains a mystery [18:26]
* smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...) [18:27]
* The20YearIRCloud (uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:27]
asciilifeform incidentally, the one time i saw an asic miner of any sort alive, personally (it belonged to a colleague) its actual 'hash/watt' was quite impossible to ascertain - worked, let's put it charitably, rather inconsistently [18:28]
asciilifeform i.e. 'k out of n cores most of the time, but we promise that with next fw update xxxxxxx [some horseshit]' etc [18:28]
assbot The20YearIRCloud +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -2 [18:29]
TomServo !up The20YearIRCloud [18:30]
* assbot gives voice to The20YearIRCloud [18:30]
The20YearIRCloud Wjat [18:30]
The20YearIRCloud WHat's the trust command? [18:30]
asciilifeform (i've quite forgotten, mercifully, what precisely the thing was. large rack-mount apparatus, that drew ~20 amperes at 120 v.ac. mains.) [18:30]
asciilifeform perhaps diametric remembers [18:30]
mats ;;gettrust The20YearIRCloud assbot [18:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user The20YearIRCloud to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=The20YearIRCloud&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014 [18:30]
TomServo ;;gettrust assbot The20YearIRCloud [18:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20YearIRCloud: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20YearIRCloud | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20YearIRCloud | Rated since: never [18:30]
mats ;;ident The20YearIRCloud [18:31]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'The20YearIRCloud', with hostmask 'The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None [18:31]
TomServo ;;gettrust assbot The20Year [18:31]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20Year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20Year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20Year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 (1 more message) [18:31]
The20YearIRCloud Hmm [18:31]
mats you have been banished from the island [18:32]
The20YearIRCloud Guess so [18:32]
The20YearIRCloud Oh well [18:32]
The20YearIRCloud So far i've given out 8 posters, so far no one has cashed them in, go figure [18:33]
The20YearIRCloud Granted none of my renters have PC and none can figure out how to do it via mobile phone [18:33]
The20YearIRCloud But if you want to retaliate at me for my tenants not cashing in the posters.....then so be it. I've tried to do my part in educating them about bitcoin, how to cash them in and so forth. I realize the print cost for the posters was paid out by someone. But I don't understand why you're getting mad at ME over it. [18:35]
TomServo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2014#936968 [18:35]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it [18:35]
fluffypony did you at least teach them the secret handshake? [18:35]
The20YearIRCloud I've explained for 5-10 minutes per tenant how it worked, to go on IRCwebchat, and to cash them in. I still have the 42 or so left over still sitting in my closet. I can mail em back to someone if they want. Howver i don't know what I am supposed to do if no one follows my directions or the ones on the posters. [18:36]
The20YearIRCloud I told them they'd get $35-$40 worth of bitcoins for free, and all it would do is take at worst an hour of their time, at best 5 minutes. [18:37]
jurov i'd be eager to try one myself, with some phto documentation.. or that was verboten? [18:38]
The20YearIRCloud Heck, i gave two out to guys who worked for me, and I know for a fact they're dead broke and they still couldn't figure out how to do it. [18:38]
The20YearIRCloud And that was the last part of October [18:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00051884 = 14.32 BTC [-] {2} [18:38]
The20YearIRCloud I had told MP that it would have been a much, much better process if I ran a contest or something locally for the posters, that way they would have gone to houses where they wanted them or were higher educated. Yet i even had one tenant flat out refuse the poster after I put in their hands because it was 'too complicated' and 'all we have is a nintendo wii [18:40]
The20YearIRCloud and it doesn't do that stuff'. [18:40]
The20YearIRCloud Maybe I could give mircea_popescu their phone numbers and he could call em and ask them why? What the heck is expected of me beyond explaining to them how to do it and giving them the poster? Am I expected to spend a hour getting them on IRC and doing it all for them? [18:42]
mircea_popescu mats pls to put in comment at article tho. pastebins expire etc. [18:49]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/520/bitfury-eu-august-orders-will-ship-before-1st/ << dja take that in proof ? [18:50]
assbot BitBet - Bitfury EU August orders will ship before 1st September 2013 :: 14.16 B (57%) on Yes, 10.82 B (43%) on No | closed 1 year 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUaTGn ) [18:50]
mircea_popescu ~1gh/w [18:50]
The20YearIRCloud Well, two of the posters look to have disappeared, i texted the guys who had em and it looks like after I put em in their work truck they went away or something. [18:51]
mircea_popescu (i know they failed on that power thoroughput specifically, but it's a year old+ bet. it actually improved meanwhile) [18:51]
jurov http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/04/reckless-congress-declares-war-on-russia/ they insist :( [18:52]
The20YearIRCloud I'm going back and texting those who got them asking for speciifc explanation on why they didn't cash them in. [18:52]
assbot The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Reckless Congress 'Declares War' on Russia ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUbbgf ) [18:52]
mircea_popescu by now it's roughly, give or take, 1gh/watt. [18:52]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud well nothing's specifically expected from you, that;s the problem with statistics. [18:53]
mircea_popescu it's not a matter of "retaliating" or w/e. [18:54]
The20YearIRCloud I'm asking you what you want me to do when I've given 8 to clients/tenants and none have cashed them in. I've got a negative rating from you over it, so i wouldn't mind resolving it if at all possible. [18:54]
fluffypony I still think you should've taught them the secret handshake, problem solved [18:54]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud i dun want you to do anything specifically. [18:55]
mircea_popescu what do you want *me* to do. [18:55]
The20YearIRCloud Explain why I have a negative rating mentioning the posters. What else am I supposed to do with them? [18:56]
mircea_popescu i'd be eager to try one myself, with some phto documentation.. or that was verboten? << try what you mean ? [18:56]
jurov the poster [18:56]
jurov cash it in [18:56]
mircea_popescu jurov nah, that's done. [18:56]
The20YearIRCloud They didn't have coupon codes on them, just instructions [18:57]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud looky at what it says. "If you believe him you're stuck crediting a large pile of very improbable things, such as that no one out of dozen low income renters is interested in cashing ~50 bux worth of free BTC, or that buyers somehow materialize on Havelock to buy shares at 2x the going price for a single IPO day." [18:57]
The20YearIRCloud At least, i'm not aware of any codes on them, if there were, they weren't obvious. [18:57]
mircea_popescu now, these are facts. [18:57]
mircea_popescu what exactly caused them, how they're to be construed etc etc is entirely open to anyone's interpretation. [18:57]
The20YearIRCloud And I get a negative rating over their lack of effort [18:58]
mircea_popescu no, you get a negative rating the same way anyone ever did : by making a large enough pile of claims improbable enough. [18:58]
The20YearIRCloud What do you think I did with the posters? Just put em in a closet to have to resell some day in the future? [18:59]
fluffypony giant paper airplanes, most likely [19:00]
mircea_popescu i have no idea dood. how would i know. [19:00]
* assbot removes voice from The20YearIRCloud [19:01]
mike_c !up The20YearIRCloud [19:01]
* assbot gives voice to The20YearIRCloud [19:01]
The20YearIRCloud So, in other words : I did what was requested of me with the posters, I get neg repped for them. I did what my shareholders wanted by selling them more treasury shares at a specific USD value, I get neg repped for it. In both cases I did what was asked of me, with proof (Phone numbers and shareholders on my IRC chat) and still get negative rep because of it? [19:02]
The20YearIRCloud Doesn't make sense to me. [19:02]
mircea_popescu so your sworn testimony here is that out of however many tenants, not one has a working smartphone ? or what is it ? computers don't really so much enter into it as far as i can see. [19:03]
mike_c do you see why it would look weird for you to sell shares at an inflated price when your investors could have bought them cheaper on the open market? [19:03]
The20YearIRCloud Most of em have working smart phones, their statement to me was that they couldn't figure out how to get on IRC. [19:03]
The20YearIRCloud mike_c: they wanted to invest more cash directly in the company that would go to our bank, and not buy shares from individuals on the open market. [19:04]
TomServo I'd think your average low income earner would bend over backwards for fiddy bux. [19:04]
The20YearIRCloud You'd think so. [19:05]
mike_c The20YearIRCloud: do you list the address of your properties anywhere? [19:06]
The20YearIRCloud I've already sent messages out to those that i gave em to asking for a reasoning to them not cashing em in. Two guys have already told me they never got em even after I put em in their vehicles. [19:06]
The20YearIRCloud It's not public but if someone REALLY wanted em, i'd make the properties & deeds available. Around last year I gave mircea_popescu deed copies of 2 or 3 of the properties. [19:06]
The20YearIRCloud Our board of advisors has copies of our deeds and bank statements. [19:07]
mircea_popescu umm. [19:07]
mircea_popescu i remember you promising to put your deeds online but not carrying through. i dun recall this "given me" deeds. [19:08]
mircea_popescu nfi why i wouldn't have said something at the time, either. [19:09]
The20YearIRCloud I sent you to landaccess.com and showed you how to look up TIF copies [19:09]
The20YearIRCloud Since everything is in the company name and the deeds are publically available. [19:09]
mircea_popescu which nick was this ? [19:09]
The20YearIRCloud it was either this one or the20year [19:10]
mircea_popescu ;;isup landaccess.com [19:10]
gribble landaccess.com is down [19:10]
mircea_popescu that the right url ? [19:10]
The20YearIRCloud I think they require a www. on the name [19:10]
The20YearIRCloud Shows that it's up for me [19:10]
* Belxjander has quit (Quit: AmigaOSv4.1.6+//PowerPC native) [19:11]
mircea_popescu lmao the www thing still an issue on teh webs huh. [19:11]
The20YearIRCloud It is with a rural area like ours. [19:11]
dub its not a proper website without!@ [19:11]
The20YearIRCloud We had a whole conversation about how we use deeds in Ohio and not torrens titles [19:12]
The20YearIRCloud You can also use the auditor to try and look up the data ,but depending on the county, some auditors are more than a year behind on their record updates. [19:12]
dub wow [19:12]
dub is it 2014 in Ohio? [19:13]
The20YearIRCloud Depends on the county [19:13]
mircea_popescu grep -n "landaccess" FreeNode-the20yearircloud.log FreeNode-the20year.log comes up emtpy. [19:13]
mircea_popescu musta been a diff nick. [19:13]
The20YearIRCloud There are counties near us that do not have online access outside of the office specific intranet. You have to call and ask for emails. [19:13]
The20YearIRCloud Possibly, it would have been via PM and not chat log [19:13]
mircea_popescu all pms are logged. [19:13]
* Belxjander (~Belxjande@sourcemage/Mage/Abh-Elementalist) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:14]
mircea_popescu anyway, im pretty sure i never actually evaluated either the site involved or w/e it contained. im entirely unsure why is this not public again ? [19:14]
mircea_popescu how's property register work other than as a public matter. [19:14]
The20YearIRCloud Those are the only two I can think of that i'd use. At any rate I just sent you links to two different auditors, between those two there's 10 different units. [19:14]
The20YearIRCloud Because I had threats 6 months back from people online that they'd call the tenants and threaten em. [19:15]
mircea_popescu nuts. [19:15]
dub how does murica have unemployment with this insane inefficiency [19:15]
mircea_popescu dub it only has unemployment in the cities :D [19:16]
The20YearIRCloud Not sure [19:16]
The20YearIRCloud The same counties that are intra-net only have the entire county on one giant CAD file that's accurate to within a few centimeters [19:16]
The20YearIRCloud None of it really makes sense. [19:16]
ben_vulpes you can say that again [19:18]
dub I can grab basic detail of any property in my countRy from a single web GIS interface for free, its then $50 for complete records of every time someone farted near it [19:20]
The20YearIRCloud But, at any rate, the individuals on our BOA have access to bank records and property deeds/addresses. Additionally I've re-sent a link to MP just now showing one county's records on us. [19:20]
mircea_popescu ;;ud boa [19:20]
The20YearIRCloud Columbus Oh is like that, the records are fantastic, with additional property photos (not google earth/streetview ones) that the assessor has taken of each home in the county. [19:20]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BoA | A 17 year old Korean singer who has also learned to speak Japanese, Chinese, and English. Her name is acutally Kwon Boa. Currently has 4 Japanese a... [19:20]
The20YearIRCloud board of advisors. We built a committe that goes over all the company's financials and details once or twice a month. [19:21]
mircea_popescu well, any of 'em in the wot ? [19:21]
The20YearIRCloud I'll have to ask, our goal is to build personal profile pages with things like FB & linkedin profile pages, could include WoT data too. [19:22]
The20YearIRCloud Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it. [19:23]
* asciilifeform can't resist any longer: [19:24]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#699078 [19:24]
mircea_popescu dub yeah but the us doesn't generally even have torrens deeds. [19:24]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2014 18:30:38; mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tool [19:24]
mircea_popescu being the most democratically advanced democratic advancement. [19:24]
asciilifeform (from 'strategic superiority' article by mircea_popescu) [19:24]
* asciilifeform always wondered if 'rentalstarter' walks perilously close to the electric fence described therein [19:24]
* has-question (43a11cc7@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.28.199) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:25]
mircea_popescu !up has-question [19:25]
-assbot- You voiced has-question for 30 minutes. [19:25]
* assbot gives voice to has-question [19:25]
* has-question has quit (Client Quit) [19:26]
mircea_popescu mats http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#comment-110501 but hey, props for first try. [19:27]
assbot The Romanian language for other people. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ0Tin ) [19:27]
mircea_popescu jurov http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/media/2113/rpilogo-final.gif << doesn't this look sorta like a toilet bowl ? [19:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ1oZI ) [19:29]
jurov to me it looks like deep decolt [19:30]
jurov decolletage [19:30]
mircea_popescu a nipple should be involved [19:30]
jurov how is that cut in the cloth called in english? [19:31]
* assbot removes voice from The20YearIRCloud [19:31]
mircea_popescu cleavage [19:31]
mircea_popescu also used for the skin itself tho. [19:31]
jurov ah [19:32]
mircea_popescu "Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS – which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!" [19:32]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha. [19:32]
mircea_popescu poor ron paul. [19:32]
undata I've met him a few times [19:32]
mircea_popescu i wonder what it's like, you know, man captive in the monkey cage @ zoo. [19:33]
mircea_popescu he's been stuck there what, 70 years ? [19:33]
undata I admire old cranky bastards that stick to their guns [19:33]
* Dr-G2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:33]
* cardigm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:33]
* badon has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [19:33]
mircea_popescu sure. [19:33]
* adlai has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [19:33]
* dignork has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer) [19:33]
mircea_popescu "How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?" [19:34]
mircea_popescu in a word, members of congress aren't really that far above executive associates at jack in the box. [19:34]
* dignork (~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:34]
mircea_popescu they just do what "their job is". [19:34]
undata poor guy thought the US myth was a real thing [19:34]
mircea_popescu apparently still does. [19:35]
undata reminds me of various family members... "if we'd only get back to the *constitution*!" [19:35]
undata the US constitution and laws resulted in this; this is therefore what a USA *does* [19:36]
mircea_popescu This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia. Amash, Duncan, Grayson, Hastings, Jones, Massie, McDermott, Miller, O’Rourke, Rohrabacher. [19:37]
* Pierre_Rochard has quit (Quit: Pierre_Rochard) [19:38]
mod6 those ten probably just hit the wrong voting button. margin of error or something. [19:39]
mircea_popescu ouch [19:40]
undata there are a small but nonzero amount of US politicians that are pro-market and anti-war [19:40]
asciilifeform !s ineducable [19:40]
assbot 1 results for 'ineducable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ineducable [19:40]
mod6 i imagine these guys just sit there allday looking at pornhub and playing flappy bird on their new galaxy 5s IF they even show up to the session [19:40]
undata haha [19:40]
* badon (~badon@pdpc/supporter/active/badon) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:41]
asciilifeform the hunchback will be straightened by his grave. [19:42]
mircea_popescu !up badon [19:42]
punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2onm5r/blockchaininfo_security_disclosure/cmosxbw [19:42]
-assbot- You voiced badon for 30 minutes. [19:42]
* assbot gives voice to badon [19:42]
* kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [19:43]
undata I think one of Ron Paul's best thoughts was to allow competition of currencies [19:43]
* kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:44]
undata this was well before bitcoin [19:45]
asciilifeform bci << assuming story is genuine, betcha folks will still make glassy eyes 'wtf, academic' when told about rng and ecdsa nonces [19:46]
* joecool has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [19:46]
mircea_popescu good for em lol. [19:47]
asciilifeform 'what you don't know, won't hurt you. it will only decapitate you in one bite and eat the carcass for lunch.' [19:47]
asciilifeform !s cold equations [19:47]
assbot 10 results for 'cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cold+equations [19:47]
asciilifeform http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2onm5r/blockchaininfo_security_disclosure/cmotm6w [19:49]
assbot buddhamangler comments on Blockchain.info Security Disclosure ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ4KMp ) [19:49]
punkman BingoBoingo: apparently not fixed yet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.msg9778074#msg9778074 [19:49]
assbot Reused R values again ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ4NaZ ) [19:49]
asciilifeform how is a safety-critical, rng-dependent process living in a www browser again ? [19:50]
asciilifeform or dare i even ask. [19:50]
asciilifeform (when first heard of this scandal, assumed it was a server-side snafu) [19:50]
punkman this joehoe guy made a nice sum today [19:50]
punkman "Dude you took from my address, I was saving up for my family for christmas and you went and stolen it this morning.. Please have the heart to give it back, PMing you now" [19:52]
punkman I hope he doesn't give anything back [19:52]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:52]
mircea_popescu "went and stolen" eh. shoulda saved for school. [19:53]
punkman "One of these address' is mine, can you place contact me, I can provide proof with screen shots or teamview." [19:53]
mircea_popescu holy shit already. [19:53]
undata please thief, have a heart! [19:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw, that's the future. fucking teamviewer. [19:53]
punkman ;;seen dimsler [19:53]
undata save christmas! [19:53]
gribble dimsler was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: lol [19:53]
undata man I hate people [19:54]
mircea_popescu what the us ~~~citizen~~~ expects of its government, after the tsa-at-airport free masturbation test drive [19:54]
punkman last quote was from a "dimsler" [19:54]
mircea_popescu is to play the teamviewer bdsm mistress for free. [19:54]
asciilifeform should've saved for burial. [19:54]
asciilifeform as such - biodiesel candidate. [19:54]
mircea_popescu there's going to be a special agency specialised in giving orders to random derps via teamviewer. [19:54]
mircea_popescu "take off your clothes. jack off. vote this on reddit." [19:54]
asciilifeform 'teamviewer'? 'back orifice' circa 1999 is back !? [19:54]
mircea_popescu ITD BE EASIER [19:54]
mircea_popescu teamviewer is its own kind of braindamage. [19:55]
asciilifeform from the last article mentioning it - appears to be exactly 'back orifice' [19:55]
undata stuff like that is installed on every "point of sale" system on earth, too [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, gui. [19:55]
asciilifeform bo had gui! [19:55]
undata by people who think having your network use static IPs is more secure [19:55]
mircea_popescu o it did ? thjen nm me [19:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5683 @ 0.0005079 = 2.8864 BTC [-] [19:55]
asciilifeform but, as i understood, backorifice was thought to be obsolete since xp ver. 3 when microshit baked it right into winblows [19:56]
mircea_popescu lol [19:56]
asciilifeform (yes, it did 'remote admin' or sumthinglikethat) [19:56]
asciilifeform 'rdesktop.' [19:56]
mod6 haha [19:56]
asciilifeform http://www.cultdeadcow.com/tools/bo.html [19:56]
asciilifeform ^ preserved in amber [19:57]
punkman http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oo72b/victim_100_bitcoins_stolen_from_blockchaininfo/cmoyiky [19:57]
assbot Worst Case Scenario ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ6fKG ) [19:57]
assbot blockchainwallet comments on VICTIM: 100 Bitcoins STOLEN from blockchain.info Wallet during the Security Leak 12/7/2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ6iGk ) [19:57]
undata sub7 was another [19:57]
* undata recalls sending friends song.mp3.exe in high school [19:57]
asciilifeform five minute research suggests that folks began to use 'teamviewer' and similar orifices for remote control of winblows/mac machines from toy computer [20:00]
* mike_c has quit () [20:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by now it's this very special social behaviour, lemme tell you the long story. [20:01]
* asciilifeform prepares for a yarn involving mutually-masturbatory use of winblows config menus [20:02]
punkman "Private Key Recovery Combination Attacks: On Extreme Fragility of Popular Bitcoin. Key Management, Wallet and Cold Storage Solutions." http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/848.pdf [20:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ7hWN ) [20:02]
mircea_popescu inept "hiring"/"outsourcing" websites, modelled after get a freelancer (which has been in fact on an insane buying spree, they recently swallowed up warrior forum - the epicenter of those idiotic "infoproducts" consisting of yellow underlined text and a fetishistic "box" with reflections and whatnot) [20:02]
mircea_popescu promote a particularly insane view of hiring, where to hire someone for an hour is essentially a nonsexual camwhoring arrangement. you're to tell the op what to do, as micromanagement-y as moving their own hands. [20:03]
mircea_popescu the software platform this nonsense happens on is teamviewer (and before that, and to some degree supporting it today, skype) [20:04]
mircea_popescu so, all over the world right now, tons of people wasting each other's time in pairs, like retarded marmocets trying to move a ball across the field. [20:04]
asciilifeform lol! i imagined that the masturbee must pay the masturbator, in such an arrangement [20:04]
asciilifeform never would have conceived of the reverse. [20:04]
mircea_popescu yeah welll.... [20:04]
mircea_popescu people enjoy simcity right ? [20:04]
mircea_popescu it's essentially for the masturbator "play an elaborate sort of sims while pretending to be at work" [20:05]
asciilifeform but you don't move the 'sim [20:05]
asciilifeform 's [20:05]
cazalla mircea_popescu: cazalla nice publish srsly. <<< would've made a summary but was late [20:05]
mircea_popescu and for the masturbated, "let the superior white man do things for you for a few dollars" [20:05]
asciilifeform arms and legs [20:05]
mircea_popescu so it works out great for all the parts involved : corporations pay ; their employees are kept out of trouble ; third worlders eat. [20:05]
mircea_popescu it's a modern solution to a modern problem. meanwhile actual people can get on with their actual work unmolested. [20:06]
asciilifeform the enigma of where a creature involved in this perversion would have obtained btc - remains [20:06]
mircea_popescu but he told you. [20:06]
mircea_popescu saving for xmas. [20:06]
asciilifeform saving requires obtaining, nein ? [20:06]
mircea_popescu obviously the serious ethical violation and outrageous immorality of them having any btc is why I hope he doesn't give anything back [20:07]
mircea_popescu lemme find this log line for you. [20:07]
asciilifeform more ethical to give children blasting caps to play with [20:07]
asciilifeform at least problem in the latter is self-correcting [20:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2014#942523 [20:08]
assbot Logged on 02-12-2014 17:36:10; xanthyos: 0.25925176 BTC will arrive in your My Wallet account on Monday Dec 8, 2014. [20:08]
mircea_popescu normally it's a tenth that or less tho. [20:08]
asciilifeform who has publicly cried over a tenth ? [20:09]
asciilifeform stolen, misplaced, or otherwise [20:09]
mircea_popescu but saving! [20:09]
mircea_popescu coupla bitcents every week. eventually it adds up to something worth stealing. [20:09]
* assbot removes voice from badon [20:13]
* Tiraspol has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:18]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@c-50-140-170-157.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:23]
* Tiraspol has quit (Changing host) [20:23]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:23]
* Tiraspol has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:23]
punkman from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013" [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00053584 = 9.913 BTC [+] {2} [20:30]
asciilifeform 'deterministic random generation' [20:32]
punkman the R value thing, instead of using RNG, you can just hash tx+key or something like that. [20:33]
punkman so the Android wallets don't break again [20:33]
asciilifeform Android wallets << why even necessary ? [20:34]
asciilifeform i just don't get it [20:34]
punkman me neither, I use dumbphone [20:34]
mircea_popescu im not all that convinced deterministic generation (nothing random about it) is such a brilliant idea. [20:35]
mircea_popescu sure, it makes it easier for idiots to use bitcoin, [20:35]
mircea_popescu meanwhile it also makes it easier for everyone's wallets to be broken [20:35]
* asciilifeform is breaking his brain trying to grasp who thought it was a good idea, in what application, and why [20:35]
punkman it makes sense for this little thing [20:36]
asciilifeform how? [20:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform web "programmers" [20:36]
mircea_popescu little men in little cubical spaces doing little things in little excel cells. [20:36]
punkman because accidental re-use even from different users can reveal keys in various ways [20:36]
asciilifeform ok, the 'who' is settled. but the forensic psychiatrist in me is not satisfied - why ? [20:36]
punkman so if you hash tx+something, that's not gonna happen [20:36]
asciilifeform not gonna happen >> [20:37]
asciilifeform !s randomly wired [20:37]
assbot 6 results for 'randomly wired' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=randomly+wired [20:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the problem only appears if r values are equal [20:37]
* joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:37]
mircea_popescu if hashing or w/e other prngsauce is used, it won't be equal. [20:37]
asciilifeform unless can factor out 'sauce' [20:38]
mircea_popescu ofcourse the actual random r is a general class solution, and provably stronger than prng r for general applications. [20:38]
mircea_popescu well of course. [20:38]
asciilifeform who recalls the tcp sequence number bugs ? [20:38]
mircea_popescu hence my comment above [20:38]
mircea_popescu myeah, somethinglike that. [20:38]
asciilifeform ;;google tcp sequence number vulnerability [20:38]
gribble TCP sequence prediction attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Multiple Vendor TCP Sequence Number Approximation Vulnerability: ; TCP Sequence Prediction Attack - The Tech-FAQ: [20:38]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@c-50-140-170-157.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:41]
* Tiraspol has quit (Changing host) [20:41]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:41]
BingoBoingo More random drama http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=141807224826859&w=2 [20:47]
assbot 'Violating randomization standards' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1qn4GAc ) [20:47]
mircea_popescu o wait, there be standards ? [20:48]
mircea_popescu am i the only one that sees the homeric lulz involved ? [20:48]
mircea_popescu oh the use of srandom etc. myea. [20:49]
mircea_popescu "The reasons for this are history not known to me, but it might even be linked to Dual_EC_DRBG." <, is, afaik. [20:50]
BingoBoingo Indeed. "To satisfy portable code, srand() may be called to initialize the subsystem. In OpenBSD the seed variable is ignored, and strong random number results will be provided from arc4random(3.) In other systems, the seed variable primes a simplistic deterministic algorithm. If the standardized behavior is required srand_deterministic() can be substituted for srand(), then subsequent rand() calls will return results using the d [20:50]
BingoBoingo eterministic algorithm." [20:50]
* DreadKnight (~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:50]
asciilifeform for once, i dare suggest that more mundane - most programmers, historically, don't want 'random', but 'random-flavoured but ultimately reproducible' for testing of games, toys, etc [20:50]
* devthedev has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:51]
asciilifeform the difference - at least, once was - taught in school, wherever folks were introduced to the machine [20:51]
punkman " They will suddenly see strong randomization where they did not before. There may be a few broken because the have a deeply hidden dependency on determinism. Sorry, but that is what it is going to take." [20:53]
* Tiraspol has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:53]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:58]
* DreadKnight has quit (Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( www.AncientBeast.com )) [21:02]
asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << still b0rk3d ? [21:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1v8bGwz ) [21:06]
* Tiraspol has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [21:13]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@c-73-51-49-232.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:15]
* Tiraspol has quit (Changing host) [21:15]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:15]
* Tiraspol has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [21:19]
* toffoo (~tof@unaffiliated/toffoo) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:30]
* assbot gives voice to toffoo [21:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27947 @ 0.0005414 = 15.1305 BTC [+] {3} [21:32]
* Tiraspol (Tiraspol3@unaffiliated/tiraspol) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:37]
* mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:41]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: nope its a feature not a bug [21:46]
ben_vulpes like emacs default keybindings [21:46]
asciilifeform wat [21:46]
ben_vulpes identifies the observant [21:46]
ben_vulpes it's a feature! [21:46]
undata gentoo/emacs/bitcoind quest [21:50]
ben_vulpes bitcoind quest [21:50]
ben_vulpes indeed [21:50]
asciilifeform what do gentoo and emacs to do with it ? [21:50]
* starsoccer (~starsocce@104.219.184.48) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:50]
* starsoccer is now known as Guest18637 [21:50]
asciilifeform i mean, they both live here with me [21:50]
asciilifeform but what else. [21:51]
ben_vulpes exercise for etc etc etc [21:51]
asciilifeform perfectly-functioning household objects, not deserving of insult of comparison with bitcoind [21:51]
asciilifeform wholesome, inoffensive things. [21:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00051918 = 7.7617 BTC [-] [21:51]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/ [21:53]
assbot Ethan Burnside Fined By SEC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/160VdFO ) [21:53]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/ [21:53]
* PeterL (~peterl@unaffiliated/peterl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:54]
BingoBoingo !up PeterL Congrats on keeping scoopbot up so long [21:55]
* assbot gives voice to PeterL [21:55]
PeterL oh, thanks [21:55]
PeterL I finally figured out what was wrong [21:55]
PeterL It was taking time to check blogs for updates, and so would not respond to pings [21:56]
PeterL I put the blog checking onto a separate thread, and now it does not get kicked off from missed pings [21:56]
* Guest18637 is now known as starsoccer [22:06]
* starsoccer is now known as Guest45653 [22:06]
* Guest45653 is now known as starsoccer [22:07]
* starsoccer has quit (Changing host) [22:07]
* starsoccer (~starsocce@unaffiliated/starsoccer) has joined #bitcoin-assets [22:07]
* assbot removes voice from PeterL [22:25]
mircea_popescu o hey. [22:29]
ben_vulpes http://entire.spacebar.org/ [22:29]
mircea_popescu !up PeterL [22:29]
assbot Entire Screen of One Game ... ( http://bit.ly/1vy2XE5 ) [22:29]
-assbot- You voiced PeterL for 30 minutes. [22:29]
* assbot gives voice to PeterL [22:29]
PeterL o hi [22:30]
mircea_popescu heh so the sec is settling with all the actual scammers eh. [22:30]
PeterL what about football scammers? oh wait, the other SEC (I must ahve been reading too much bowl game previews) [22:34]
mircea_popescu heh [22:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00054753 = 15.3856 BTC [+] {2} [22:37]
BingoBoingo PeterL: Mizzou got a New Years day game. Happy with the lack of scam there from the SEC. [22:38]
PeterL Mich State got a better bowl [22:39]
BingoBoingo For some definitions of better. Good for them. [22:39]
PeterL Mizzou should win [22:39]
* jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets [22:40]
BingoBoingo They better. We need to start recruiting 300 pounders for our lines so maybe next time we can actually make plays against Alabama by means other than accident. [22:40]
BingoBoingo !up jborkl [22:40]
PeterL Michigan State will win if they fix the holes exposed by Oregon and Ohio State (Baylor plays a similar spread offence to those teams) [22:40]
* assbot gives voice to jborkl [22:40]
jborkl Hola [22:40]
BingoBoingo hey jborkl [22:40]
jborkl Hows it going [22:41]
BingoBoingo Not bad [22:41]
BingoBoingo http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Dec/28 [22:41]
assbot Full Disclosure: Coinbase User Enumeration ... ( http://bit.ly/1qnycG3 ) [22:41]
jborkl Sweet, great job coinbase security [22:43]
BingoBoingo So ran out to Grandpa's to replace the batteries in his TV remote. On the way to the store from his place say a big ass shooting star with a definite green tint. [22:43]
jborkl Very cool [22:43]
BingoBoingo Wonder if the lizards had something to do with it. [22:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29197 @ 0.00055103 = 16.0884 BTC [+] {2} [22:44]
ben_vulpes noice [22:48]
BingoBoingo Either that it was the avians comping to displace the lizards [22:50]
* jborkl has quit () [22:51]
* PeterL has quit (Quit: PeterL) [22:51]
mircea_popescu ahahahaha [22:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo qntraaaa [22:52]
mircea_popescu meh on 2nd hand this isn't even worth the mention, and also ancient. [22:54]
mircea_popescu nm [22:54]
BingoBoingo right [22:55]
mircea_popescu for a momet iu got excited :p [22:56]
BingoBoingo It's old news that popped up in my twatter feed again, prolly as part of some cold PR war between the web wallet turds [22:57]
* iang (~iang@skaro.afraid.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:01]
BingoBoingo !up iang [23:02]
BingoBoingo Hello iang [23:02]
* assbot gives voice to iang [23:02]
iang hi. [23:02]
mircea_popescu ello [23:02]
BingoBoingo So in early bookmaking it looks like they are only giving a 2.5 point spread in the Bitcoin Bowl. That isn't even a field goal [23:02]
BingoBoingo iang: Are you the person danielpbarron pointed here? [23:04]
iang hmm maybe. Not sure who danielpbarron is tho [23:04]
iang although he’s not sure who I am either ;-) [23:05]
BingoBoingo Ah, apparently someone whose nick is a similar string of letters to yours encountered him on the twatter earleir today [23:05]
mircea_popescu ;;ident iang [23:06]
gribble Nick 'iang', with hostmask 'iang!~iang@skaro.afraid.org', is not identified. [23:06]
mircea_popescu ;;ident danielpbarron [23:06]
gribble Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified. [23:06]
mircea_popescu i guess nobody's anybody :D [23:06]
BingoBoingo But... gribble's back [23:06]
iang yup, not sure I can help, there are a few of us :D [23:07]
mircea_popescu iang so about this two decade cryptohistory of yours ? [23:09]
iang mmm… got a decade? [23:10]
iang I could explain ;-) [23:10]
mircea_popescu proof beats explanation. [23:10]
mircea_popescu got a pgp key made in 96 you can link and sign with ? [23:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34153 @ 0.00055572 = 18.9795 BTC [+] {2} [23:11]
iang hmmm. possibly but I’d have to go digging into detritus [23:11]
mircea_popescu probably the most important thing you can say right off. [23:12]
BingoBoingo I couldn't imagine anything more fun [23:13]
* mike_c has quit () [23:14]
* Luke-Jr has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:14]
* Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.0005079 = 23.465 BTC [-] [23:17]
BingoBoingo People suck at naming themselves http://fusion.net/story/32623/sony-pictures-hack-exposes-hollywood-celebrities-secret-aliases/ [23:19]
assbot Sony Pictures hack exposes Hollywood celebrities' secret aliases -- Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8iZfK ) [23:19]
iang hmmm.. well I’m theoretically limited to 2000 and even that is hard coz gpg doesn’t play nice [23:22]
iang the earliest key I have a password for, it seems [23:23]
iang or, the earliest that the current keyring admits to. [23:23]
BingoBoingo Not everybody rocks at data retention. [23:23]
iang some things should stay buried under rocks [23:24]
iang In 2000 I was building precious metal exchanges. And staying out of trouble. Which almost snapped shut on me, the whole e-gold story :( [23:26]
iang Luckily I’d sent an email to the founders that said “you’re gonna get busted if you don’t fix it” and that told the feds I wasn’t their drone [23:27]
iang back in the days when we had only single servers and only single operators and only tunnel vision [23:27]
BingoBoingo Ah, I had recently discovered hypercard around that time [23:28]
iang rings a bell! remind me? [23:28]
undata non-web hyperlink programming environment for the mac [23:29]
BingoBoingo iang: It's the programming environment that shipped on the last of the real Macs. I had picked some up at an auction my school had and was playing with them as my first computers [23:29]
undata "hypermedia" I guess [23:29]
iang right… I recall the Mac people were emotional about it [23:30]
BingoBoingo http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << asciilifeform's elegy for the beast [23:30]
assbot Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8knz8 ) [23:30]
BingoBoingo At the time I had yet to have a computer at home so I bought a bunch of computers and spares for about $10 a pop [23:31]
* assbot removes voice from iang [23:32]
BingoBoingo !up iang [23:32]
* assbot gives voice to iang [23:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i must confess that i sometimes regret crapping out that piece. i still get mail from folks who think that i liked 'hypertalk' language. [23:32]
BingoBoingo The language itself sucked [23:33]
asciilifeform ding ding ding prize [23:33]
undata truly wretched syntax [23:33]
undata trying to be like natural language [23:33]
asciilifeform it was quite educational in that respect (in the sense of demonstrating, to anyone with half a brain, the inescapable folly of 'natural language' programming) [23:34]
BingoBoingo the environment, and the potential of the environment... [23:34]
BingoBoingo https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet/commit/98d5a7ca59ef04d06ac6aee468634b12975a0f5c [23:35]
assbot Improvments to RNG · 98d5a7c · blockchain/My-Wallet · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8kZ82 ) [23:35]
asciilifeform actually i did not (as an adult, at least) see any actual 'potential' in it - in the sense of 'what could have grown from it' [23:35]
asciilifeform more as a demonstration of how a programming system ought to behave in the general sense [23:35]
BingoBoingo But as a demonstration. [23:38]
* nubbins` has quit (Quit: Quit) [23:40]
BingoBoingo The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library [23:40]
mircea_popescu iang well alternatively there's always the half year's lurking an' reading logs. [23:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, until such a time as natural language works for coding, there won't be the "evil ai" whatever guy's worried about. [23:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow) [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23906 @ 0.0005079 = 12.1419 BTC [-] [23:42]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didn't happen. not that i don't own enough junk, incl. apples of every period, to fill a small scrapyard - but i wanted living 'butterfly' not zoological specimen preserved in glass [23:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the company 'apple' died, in '99, replaced silently with 'next'. but you knew this. [23:43]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Summer before college I though I'd buy a new Apple on their financing, had not realized company had died. Mercifully was declined and got a used Dell Latitude. [23:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'natural language' for a program makes the same amount of sense as for mathematics. atrociously inefficient and requires very 'unnatural' concessions of rigour or at least standardized disambiguations. [23:44]
mircea_popescu yes but you're aware i was discussing danger. [23:45]
mircea_popescu a purely mathematical language won't ever matter politically. [23:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is probably thinking of a hypothetical machine that emulates a living programmer and can be 'made friends with' and spoken to, describing what he wants. in that case - yes [23:46]
BingoBoingo Didn't realize apple died till junior year of college when I got an iPod to replace a Rio MP3 player and was introduced to iTunes [23:46]
asciilifeform what means 'matter politically' ? [23:46]
asciilifeform used by men fighting one another? [23:46]
asciilifeform in that case even 'visual basic' qualifies! [23:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is interesting to see how apple corp. (the renamed 'next', not the original) put to use its total monopoly in portable computerized gadgets not immediately discardable as junk to push perverse anachronisms that would have been laughed off if from another (weird proprietary cabling, required closed-source 'sync' apps, etc.) [23:48]
mircea_popescu http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2036091.jpg << said ai. [23:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8mMcY ) [23:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, to be its own thing, posing a threat. [23:49]
mircea_popescu who was that guy all worried about hostile ai ? [23:49]
undata elon musk and stephen hawking have been saying things [23:49]
asciilifeform yudkowsky et al ? [23:49]
mircea_popescu right. [23:49]
undata yudkowsky worships at its altar [23:50]
asciilifeform undata: mr y is the master octopus [23:50]
mircea_popescu they're thinking of a politically relevant ai. [23:50]
mircea_popescu that's different from a mathematically bound ai, no matter how clever [23:50]
asciilifeform the others - simply read nth-generation spew from him [23:50]
mircea_popescu perhaps this latter also different from a purely numeric ai [23:50]
undata I'm personally much more near-term concerned with ever-cheaper guns/bombs with propellers [23:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Apple, the heritage company was never entirely innocent on the cabling front (Apple desktop bus, etc) The portable gadgets yes did demand a still more grotesque submission. Thankfully pawn shops love Apple shit. [23:51]
undata things which take lat/lng and desired size of crater as input [23:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mr y & friends believe in an ai equivalent of fermi's 'ignition of the atmosphere' hypothetical catastrophe. [23:52]
mircea_popescu undata there's excellent reasons not to worry about that. [23:53]
cazalla BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library <<< lol sausage software, my uncle never shut up about these guys [23:53]
asciilifeform if you give a damn re: what this means, invite one of them in. i can't muster the strength to defend the nonsense, even as 'devil's advocate' [23:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, you know said ignition happened once already. [23:53]
asciilifeform 'bang' ? [23:54]
* toffoo has quit () [23:54]
asciilifeform not really analogous, if it [23:54]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Compared to the adobe turds at the highschool it was elegant [23:54]
cazalla BingoBoingo, i never used it, i was maybe 15-16 at the time and muh uncle constantly telling me to buy shares in sausage software [23:55]
BingoBoingo Also worked on the dumpster 486 packard bell with windows 3.1 [23:55]
* nubbins` (~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins) has joined #bitcoin-assets [23:55]
* nubbins` has quit (Client Quit) [23:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, not at all. [23:59]
Category: Logs
Comments feed : RSS 2.0. Leave your own comment below, or send a trackback.
Add your cents! »
    If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed.