Forum logs for 09 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

bounce	so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.	[00:00]
ThickAsThieves	i spoke with the reporter today about the Narcotic Checkpoint issue, went pretty well, she's gonna do more research	[00:01]
benkay	HeySteve2 was having epic problems with 0.9 and a wallet.	[00:01]
ThickAsThieves	offered to have me get a Letter to the Editor published	[00:01]
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ThickAsThieves	we'll see	[00:01]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: goth music and fat girls...wow that's very astute, i thought it was just an american phenonmenon	[00:20]
benkay	;;gettrust thestringpuller	[00:22]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=thestringpuller \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller \| Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/	[00:26]
ozbot	The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	now someone dump that on reddit, let's have some fun here.	[00:26]
benkay	http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/156262/lynchings-a-collective-mental-condition	[00:26]
ozbot	Lynchings: a collective mental condition - BuenosAiresHerald.com	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	benkay either that or a good idea.	[00:27]
benkay	you're a fan of the lynching?	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	i know for a fact that upon lynching a legal system can be built.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	upon the derpage fashionable in the us today, no legal system can be built.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	kalifornia at most. and that's really not good enough.	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	typo: "on the othe rhand"	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	ty	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	i'm tempted to get picky with your often-missing commas and hyphens, but it reads okay so whatever	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	i have my own (admittedly nutty) comma scheme	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	cheers.	[00:31]
Naphex	upboat ^^	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	Karpeles is a fugitive now?	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	not exactly keeping office hours is he ?	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	same deal as danny.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	Naphex say what ?	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i thought Mark was cooperating n all that jazz	[00:33]
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mircea_popescu	why ?	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i havent been following lately though	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	cuz he was appearing in public and filing bankruptcies and finding coins in his couch, etc	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	he did not personally file anything,	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	and w/e, irc appearances in public ? hardly counts.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	judge ordered him to show up in court if he intends to ask the court to protect him from his creditors.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	the message there's pretty much this : civil court does not protect fugitives. ancient principle, too.	[00:35]
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ThickAsThieves	4. being of transient interest	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	well it doesn't reduce to car chases :p	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[00:36]
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thestringpuller	so why do fat girls love goth music?	[00:36]
thestringpuller	i'm still intrigued by this phenomenon	[00:36]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: upboat for the reddit post ;]	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	because they are sad	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	duh	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	a ty.	[00:37]
thestringpuller	sad because guys don't want to touch them?	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	all the reasons that come with being fat	[00:37]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller maybe because they resonate with people inconvenienced by reality, being themselves inconvenienced by same ?	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	Naphex you like the only other romanian in here ?	[00:38]
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mircea_popescu	o nm, cads sorta counts too	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41208 @ 0.00100189 = 41.2859 BTC [-] {2}	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it's too options for the morbidly obese, outward depression, or a carreer in comedy	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	two	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	career	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny.	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	i mean, fat guys, i get it, it can happen.	[00:39]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: might as well be two, chilling around. might as well check this place out. has entertaining discussions from what i figured from chat logs	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	the girl on SNL isnt that bad	[00:39]
Naphex	:p	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	roseanne?	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	that fat girl in the movies now is horribl ethough	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	but yeah	[00:40]
ThickAsThieves	it's much more common in men	[00:40]
ThickAsThieves	fat guys can be a good time (no homo)	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	which is kinda weird, i always thought fat kinda goes with jolly	[00:40]
ThickAsThieves	i picked up jogging again, all this bitcoining made me buy new clothes	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	i always do this, gain enough to buy new clothes, then that triggers me losing the weight so those dont fit either	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	i got a system!	[00:42]
cazalla	hey me too, legs are killing me from doms, had to take a few days break lol	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	most i ever ran was a half-marathon, which gave me my knee injury	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	goes to the point of that 50-mile bitcoin runner guy being absolutely delusional or scamming	[00:43]
cazalla	i use to do 10km every morning but then i got fat and lazy when it was no longer a challenge	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	hmm, anyone know andre renard ? i find it quite palatable	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	cazalla so now it's a challenge again, see ? nature fixes all.	[00:44]
bounce	heartbleed, not beedingheart, and a plurality mismatch in the last paragraph or so	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	bounce i was trying for a libertard jab.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	doesn't work huh	[00:46]
*	bounce didn't get it. doesn't mean others won't.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	cause bleeding heart liberal see	[00:47]
bounce	clearly not american enough to appreciate that as a style figure	[00:48]
bounce	brb, there's a tree here as needs hugging	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	well im not either, so... you know. shootin' in the darklo;	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	so now Texas has a bill to edit IRS to call bitcoin currency?	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	can we just make it it's own thing?	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	i msta missed that one ?	[00:50]
TomServo	mircea_popescu \| hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny. << Lisa Lampanelli has some good stuff, but it's basically a female version of Don Rickles act	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/	[00:50]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/ some congressman wants some bitcoin donations	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	TomServo minus the funny. and btw, rickles was fat his whole life.	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	you me a coke!	[00:51]
Naphex	beat me to it	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	owe	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	oh, well. "seeks to introduce you know ?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	that's the garbage bin of parliaments.	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	it's written up, seems itll be introduced	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves "where shoes" ?!	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	where what?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	dude you wanna correct MY commas ?	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	wear shoes	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes <<	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	i'm super retarded today	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	have a drink, have a straw.	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	funny thing is when you said that, i didnt check "where", i checked the comma	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	keonne so what are the details re the right hash but wrong block composition thing ? cause yeah it got me scratching my head.	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	ugh "Actually, what is needed is to leave it as property but add an exemption for the first $X0,000 of gain, which is what other countries are doing, particularly in Europe. That way it can effectively function as a currency, but investors who go long also get favorable tax treatment."	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	apply this law to specifically what i want plz	[00:54]
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ThickAsThieves	wtf does US care whether people go long on bitcoin	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	actually the us needs people long on bitcoin. many of them.	[00:55]
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ThickAsThieves	you mena in the same way that a child needs to be slapped sometimes	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	more like in the way a poor farmer with 13 kids needs one in school.	[00:55]
ThickAsThieves	but encouraging people to go long on it, means it eats away at its own financial system, no?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	upgrading is the only economically rational form of cannibalism.	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	that system is getting et. best you be doin' most of the etin'.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	who knows, it's like an earthworm. it sorta slugs away but not as a direct result of any of the ganglions.	[00:57]
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ThickAsThieves	i can see that much i guess	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, just sayin'. who's to know really. in point of fact, you can probably find a state senator trying to put in a bill on any given topic.	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	nonetheless, i doubt any of the intent of these IRS rulings or bills is to get people to go long	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	there's probably some trying to put in bills to make women wear burkas	[00:59]
fluffypony	or give ponies an actual place in office	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	i doubt any of this shit can really HAVe an intent in the first place. people, esp on the forum, keep ascribing intent to large organisational actors	[00:59]
fluffypony	I'd vote for that if I was American	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	if it fucking worked that way...	[00:59]
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ThickAsThieves	if there's no intent, wtf is a bill?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	what's el nino's intent you know ?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	a bill is a product. of a system. like snail trails.	[01:00]
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ThickAsThieves	a bill is built, not shat	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	more like a web than a trail	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	benkay smart hardworking isn't as bad as you think.	[01:01]
mike_c	the intent of a bill with no chance of passing is PR.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i'd say the converse. a bill is shat, not anything else.	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c i can see that	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	that's solid too, yeah.	[01:01]
*	fluffypony needs to watch more House of Cards	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	but i think bitcoin bills have chances still	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	maybe someone should talk to him, i guess. anyone in his district ?	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	Ukyo might be	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[01:02]
benkay	mircea_popescu: more of a comment on myself than the world	[01:02]
benkay	but you know, any of the two are great to have around, right?	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	i could see a bill being passed as being closer to "shat"	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	maybe bills are more like cumshots	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i guess i was thinking more about "passed"	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, we two could write a bill in that sense, right now. what of it.	[01:04]
ThickAsThieves	well we were speaking of intent	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	a but unrelatedly, as the possibility of intent in large institutional actors.	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	but i'll write a bill with you anytime baby. I'll hold your commas, and you can diddle my phonetic abortions	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing, a government/agency/etc is quite incapable of intent.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	supreme court peering into "the intent of congress" is perhaps the largest inside joke in the us legal profession.	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	yeah it	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	's frustrating	[01:06]
fluffypony	ok so I have a question that has nothing to do with bills	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony shoot	[01:07]
fluffypony	if I'm looking to raise BTC-denominated funds privately as a company (angel investing, really) and don't want to go the IPO route in order to at least somewhat stave off the general discovery of trade secrets (for want of a better term), is there a generally accepted way of doing so? proposal has been drawn up already, just not really sure how one goes about finding BTC angel investor types	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	coins, bills, what's the difference?	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony one first gets into the wot.	[01:07]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: already there	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	then that one establishes his credibility, over time.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	then it just sorta happens by itself.	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/ << lol angry redditoars.	[01:08]
nubbins`	;;gettrust fluffypony	[01:08]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=fluffypony \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony \| Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	im not a psychopath! i'm just an asshole!	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony a cool, look at that.	[01:09]
fluffypony	lol	[01:10]
fluffypony	well rg's positive rating on my wot profile still stands	[01:10]
fluffypony	but because everyone's changed their rating of him to a negative	[01:10]
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fluffypony	it means the trust graphs to me are all unhappy pandas	[01:10]
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fluffypony	thanks a lot, rg	[01:10]
fluffypony	:-P	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	lol not exactly how it works.	[01:10]
benkay	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ib8o/heartbleed_bitstamp_api_hash_on_key_only/	[01:10]
ozbot	Heartbleed + Bitstamp API (hash on key only) : Bitcoin	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	anyway, stick around, no rush	[01:10]
Naphex	wot schmot, fluffypony , go do your thing make some money, things will happen ;]	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	"so if you were to perform the request over an unsecured network, you could easily intercept and send a different payload without having to generate a new signature"	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	holy hell batman	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	WHO WROTE THIS CODE	[01:11]
fluffypony	Naphex: the company is already making money, just not enough for the next lot of things we're doing :)	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i hold you personally responsible!	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	why didn't you warn us in time!	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony well what company is it ?	[01:11]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: https://openrigs.com	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	o so you make rigs ? that's a pretty cool idea!	[01:12]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: well, frames for rigs	[01:12]
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fluffypony	but yes, peripheral services for miners is the primary aim of the business	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	yes yes is what i meant, metal rig frames	[01:12]
BCB	mircea_popescu, tells us how you really feel about the BCF	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	BCB no need to, because gavin did the right thing and quit.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	rage partially averted.	[01:13]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: i'm guessing any decent programmer that implemented the bitstamp API noticed that they do HMAC all wrong, also the guy who posted that, total douche imho :)	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	Naphex bit of an inside joke :p	[01:13]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: guy probably had a short on bitfinex trololol	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so what are you planning to expand into ?	[01:14]
BCB	mircea_popescu, he's still being paid by them	[01:14]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I'll gladly send you the proposal if you have a bit of time to take a glance at it, just not too keen on sharing it publicly for all and sundry;)	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	a well then no need.	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	just curious if you wanted to say anything in public.	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04512574 = 0.361 BTC [-] {4}	[01:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03219009 = 0.3541 BTC [+] {2}	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony how much did you sell so far ?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	kinda curious because the appalling situation of mining rig arrangements is a bit of a historical lolpoint	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	if you ever read buttcoin.org etc	[01:17]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu:1500 orders, 3000 frames	[01:17]
fluffypony	since Nov 2013	[01:17]
fluffypony	but we've also had customers that aren't miners	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	o hey. so 3k frames closer to sanity, that's a public service.	[01:17]
fluffypony	OCLHashCat users and the GPGPU/GPUGrid crowd	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	do you build them in your garage like ? or got a little warehouse somewhere ?	[01:17]
nubbins`	my square cc reader showed up in the mail today, woo	[01:18]
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fluffypony	got a fabrication facility, and then it's packed and shipped from a picking/qc floor	[01:18]
Aquent	Why you saying Mark Karpels is a fugitive?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool.	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	Aquent because that's what you call people who avoid showing up in court.	[01:18]
Aquent	no you dont	[01:19]
Aquent	thats what you call people who avoid criminal law	[01:19]
Aquent	not civil	[01:19]
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nubbins`	^ he got ya on a technicality	[01:19]
Aquent	anyway, do you have any info where he is?	[01:19]
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nubbins`	rumor has it he committed seppuku	[01:19]
fluffypony	!seen MagicalTux	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	i do not.	[01:19]
fluffypony	:-P	[01:19]
Aquent	some article is saying he's gone to taiwan	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive.	[01:19]
Aquent	is that what you were refering to or....	[01:20]
fluffypony	I bet he'll turn up in a StarBucks somewhere	[01:20]
bounce	went on a hike with that neobee guy?	[01:20]
nubbins`	hike?!	[01:20]
danielpbarron	http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	they are visiting meta-graceland, for a party hosted by elvis	[01:20]
Aquent	lol	[01:21]
bounce	starbucks crawl, whatever	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	the crispy mille	[01:21]
fluffypony	lol	[01:21]
Aquent	right ok I would kindly and very respectfully ask you to change the wording	[01:21]
Aquent	fugitive creates panic	[01:21]
Aquent	especially considering some other rumours	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	panic about what ?!	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	Aquent is Mark?	[01:21]
Aquent	its just a suggestion - take it or leave it is of course entirely your choice	[01:21]
benkay	;;gettrust Aquent	[01:22]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Aquent: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Aquent \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aquent \| Rated since: never	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves no it's really me. you know how it goes, everyone's me.	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	it's not easy being you	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	i should know!	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:22]
benkay	fascinating, danielpbarron	[01:22]
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mircea_popescu	just promise me you don't come up with this nutty ritual of eating "my flesh and blood" later on.	[01:23]
fluffypony	Aquent: because all the mtgox bagholders might panic and sell their coins on mtgox?	[01:23]
Duffer1	change the wording to what though? "a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive" how is that different?	[01:23]
fluffypony	oh...wait...	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	i'm vegan, so we're good	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you mean we're god.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	harharhar	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[01:23]
BCB	mircea_popescu, how many ipo have you done	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	bout a dozen give or take	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	and contrary to whatever you may have heard, ive done in fewer than that.	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	kinda a weird question	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves better larger number.	[01:24]
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mike_c	forum lulz @ neobee: "The financial report that you all have been waiting for is ready. Total revenue from date of incorporation to date: ZERO."	[01:25]
nubbins`	ha	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c is this also me posting ?	[01:25]
nubbins`	is that you, john wayne?	[01:25]
mike_c	undoubtably	[01:25]
nubbins`	is this me?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	hello this is you.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea what you are doing.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	wait dudes! do you realise god spelled backwards is dog, and so the black lab meme and the bitcoin jesus meme just came together in a total and complete	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	MEMPOCALYPSE ?!?!	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/massive-gas-cloud-collide-black-hole-get-watch-live/	[01:27]
ozbot	A gas cloud collides with the black hole at the center of our galaxy, and we get to watch \| PBS News	[01:27]
nubbins`	apocaleme	[01:27]
nubbins`	please keep all gods on a leash	[01:27]
BCB	mircea_popescu, you have any numbers posted market caps, exits (beisdes the very suspicious satoshi dice)	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/	[01:28]
ozbot	The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	there's that.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	the rest's on teh exchange.	[01:28]
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BCB	mircea_popescu, what was the kluge scam?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema kludge the musical	[01:29]
gribble	Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	first one	[01:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]	[01:31]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though <<< actually, afaik it does.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	oldest and still strongest remedy for all mental issues is exhaustion.	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: MP > Scheier << lol	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform https://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/ neh ? works if you want it, just, doesn't default to it. compatibility ftw.	[01:35]
ThickAsThieves	jogging produces cannabinoids	[01:35]
ThickAsThieves	free high!	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	coolabuttoids too	[01:35]
asciilifeform	ahahaa	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	an' for the record, just in case : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98933	[01:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00099824 = 28.5996 BTC [-] {2}	[01:48]
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mircea_popescu	1.) assbot 228202 2.) mircea_popescu 72397	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	so take that!	[01:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: beautiful piece - but the fact that the phoundation will still be revered and fellated in the world media tomorrow tells us how firmly the buggers are still in control.	[01:54]
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Naphex	i heard BlockChains.info CoinJoin has been stealthing some BTC's lately	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a meta-nsa may or may not exist. a meta-media definitely does exist.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	'bob the bridge builder' fucks goat after goat, has done a whole herd, but remains listed in the phone book under 'bridge builder'	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	Naphex keonne was sayin' earlier they got it fixed, waiting for him to pop back in cause i wanted to grill him a little	[01:55]
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Naphex	i heard it around 'town'	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and by bob you mean bruce ?	[01:56]
Naphex	messing up their TX tables and getting bitcoins locked in addresses	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	MisterE that bank shutdown/issue seems by and large unrelated to btc in any sense. just part and parcel of larger fin sector chinese woes.	[01:58]
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tg2	benkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy	[02:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 6.17987915 BTC to 13`595 shares, 45457 satoshi per share	[02:00]
tg2	http://bitcoinexpo.ca/	[02:00]
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midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic actually, it's pretty much all the memory. in 64k chunks, yes, but trivial to map it all out.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	process memory	[02:02]
asciilifeform	(unless poor chumper ran with 'root' privs)	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	all process memory, yes	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	let's not even go into what exactly "process memory" means on windows	[02:02]
tg2	is it only the process space for the webserver?	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	or into how things such as the vidcard can be leveraged for this purpose./	[02:03]
benkay	cavirtex is sponsoring the caconf	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	tg2 the process memory for the process running the openssl code	[02:03]
benkay	nice	[02:03]
mike_c	it is the process space for whatever is handling ssl connections.. so all ur keyz belong to us	[02:03]
benkay	scamhavior universal	[02:03]
asciilifeform	the basics of priv elevation on common os variants is a subject beaten to death elsewhere on the net	[02:03]
asciilifeform	no need to re-tell it here.	[02:03]
tg2	inb4 noobs not using perfect forward	[02:03]
asciilifeform	unless, of course, someone wants	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	exactly. i just include it by reference.	[02:03]
tg2	out of bounds and native c go hand in hand	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	tg2 afaik pfs is so rare you might as well call it exotic	[02:04]
tg2	pfs is pretty easy to set up	[02:04]
tg2	and it has been around for a while	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[02:04]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: No; that doesn't appear to be accurate. Ask whoever it is who is telling you that to describe how to target specific memory regions, because I'm fairly sure they're wrong.	[02:04]
*	mircea_popescu just keeps on pasting "nevertheless"	[02:04]
tg2	i'm sure it's adoption will increase in light recent events ;)	[02:04]
tg2	benkay, what was your site	[02:04]
tg2	candiansomething?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	http://heartbleed.com/	[02:05]
ozbot	Heartbleed Bug	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	some of teh doods that reported it.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	tg2 yeah. or maybe it won't.	[02:05]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: That is from the heartbleed site. It implies more information is available, but it's information which is sitting in that specific area. It's a busy area, but it's just that specific area.	[02:05]
bounce	and named it, and registered a domain for the name	[02:05]
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midnightmagic	It's an abitrary number of 64k chunks, but it's not arbitrary locations.	[02:06]
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mircea_popescu	midnightmagic this, ~as far as we know~ is probably true.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[02:06]
bounce	if there's multiple code paths you can get there it gets more interesting still	[02:06]
Naphex	gn o/	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	^	[02:07]
midnightmagic	mircea_popescu: Well the wording in that section is slippery. My current understanding is to vary the information requires being able to manipulate program execution in other areas of the program.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	at this stage i don't see how any negative statements can really be made.	[02:07]
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midnightmagic	The attack is just a heartbeat with a size modifier different; it's an overrun read-only flaw. Unless the attack is expanded to something else, there is no targetting. It's "whatever's sitting 64k behind the heap."	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	but since you can in principle repeat it indefinitely it's in principle anything.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	i specifically mentioned 'openssl' in 'don't blame the mice.' well, nobody want to read a crackpot blog, they will have to learn the lesson on their own arse.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know you're in the footnotes for that reason :)	[02:09]
asciilifeform	and when people realize the actual root of the problem (as eventually must) they will piss themselves.	[02:09]
fluffypony	before I patched our local server this morning (not behind CloudFlare as CloudFlare don't have a node in South Africa) I played around with it	[02:10]
fluffypony	it bleeds tons of cookies from the httpd's memory space	[02:10]
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fluffypony	some of them are broken, but enough weren't	[02:11]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[02:11]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MisterE mixdio	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony mike_c was liveircing wowmoments with it earlier too	[02:11]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I still maintain that the damage from something like this could be reduced by mitigating session hijacking	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident. << haha mike_c you be famous nao.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony there's many ways to mitigate a known attack, by the very definition of "known".	[02:13]
fluffypony	but locking a session to an IP is also fraught with issues, so that's not a good technique	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	the point here is that this attack spent most of the past two years unknown.	[02:13]
fluffypony	yeah I'm not talking about mitigating the heartbleed attack	[02:13]
fluffypony	just mitigating session hijacking	[02:14]
fluffypony	if POST/GET vars bleed that's one thing	[02:14]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: you can basically sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.	[02:14]
*	bounce recalls an irc discussion going on 15 years back, where someone speculated that a nsa backdoor might look like "int foo;" instead of "long foo;". and you just can't tell. well, here we have such an innocuous thingy. and you never can tell. but spectacular, that the effects certainly are.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	Naphex all the poor souls arguing with me over tor's safety a few months ago. awww.	[02:14]
Naphex	just write some code and point it	[02:14]
asciilifeform	;;google underhanded c contest	[02:14]
gribble	The Underhanded C Contest: ; The Underhanded C Contest » This Year: ; The Underhanded C Contest » About:	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	bounce indeed.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	im still trying to discern how they got it in.	[02:15]
fluffypony	on that HIGH note, it's bed time here, well as close to bed time as 1:15am is when the wife is fast asleep next to you	[02:15]
fluffypony	cheers all	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	later.	[02:15]
Naphex	imo, definitely a planted bug.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	no question about it.	[02:15]
*	bounce hasn't checked the repo, if any. probably should.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	question is who were the idiots and who were the patsies.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	still trying to discern how they got it in << this is by far the least surprising part. next, what, ask how the roaches got in the kitchen?	[02:15]
Naphex	i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce maybe you're the last guy on the internet that hasn't made copies.	[02:15]
bounce	there was also that = vs == in a linux syscall a while back	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. i'm exactly that sorta guy.	[02:16]
Naphex	so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions	[02:16]
Naphex	then you get sniffed for all you have	[02:17]
Naphex	i'm guessing that was the logic behind it	[02:17]
bounce	probably not, but last in this channel, possibly	[02:17]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, this suddenly makes tor significantly more useful. at least for a few weeks.	[02:18]
Naphex	until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.	[02:19]
Naphex	atleast that went right.	[02:19]
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bounce	when did they move to git from cvs?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	2012 ?	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	whoa.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	actually... they moved just with 1.0.1 didn't they ?	[02:20]
asciilifeform	herr mole couldn't be bothered to learn cvs.	[02:20]
asciilifeform	so, to be kind to him, git, which he was accustomed to.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	this is fucking it is it ?!	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	holy cow no way.	[02:21]
bounce	apparently 2012-12-30 last cvs entries says timeline	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	this is promising. ty chan, and let it become part of the permanent record : more has been ruined by convenience than by any other sin.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	like germans who carried captured russian 'limonka' grenades by their rings.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	(german grenade had a convenient, almost identical ring that wasn't attached to the pin)	[02:22]
asciilifeform	very convenient.	[02:22]
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Naphex	https://web.archive.org/web/20130202155024/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - move to git	[02:22]
ozbot	OpenSSL: Source, Repository	[02:22]
Naphex	https://web.archive.org/web/20130102200332/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - still cvs	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	talk about a product that owns its market. the french f1	[02:23]
ozbot	OpenSSL: Source, Repository	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	well this has been quite the day hasn't it.	[02:25]
bounce	bug introduced in 201112 says heartbleed.com, so in cvs	[02:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099727 = 14.261 BTC [-]	[02:27]
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mircea_popescu	bounce they may not be exactly right. this will take a lot of work.	[02:27]
Naphex	http://cvs.openssl.org/timeline?d=30&e=2012-03-14&c=2&px=&s=1&dt=1&x=1&m=1&w=0 - Timeline	[02:27]
ozbot	OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface	[02:27]
Naphex	for the bug	[02:27]
Naphex	the checkins for 14 Marhc	[02:28]
Naphex	march even	[02:29]
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Naphex	http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22271 - and this is the changeview	[02:29]
ozbot	OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface	[02:29]
bounce	I got http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=21898	[02:30]
Naphex	pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o	[02:30]
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bounce	that code looks familiar when comparing the attached patch to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2014-April/007405.html	[02:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]	[02:33]
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bounce	the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.	[02:34]
Naphex	who, steve?:)	[02:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.01015789 = 0.193 BTC [-] {4}	[02:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]	[02:46]
dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/5PHeaHu.png << this is what a vulnerable webwallet returns	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	dexX7 ouch.	[03:19]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many of them were me.	[03:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+]	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00579955 = 0.348 BTC [+] {4}	[03:38]
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keonne	BingoBoingo: I do	[11:49]
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mircea_popescu	hey all	[11:50]
keonne	hello mircea_popescu	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Have you considered alternatives	[11:50]
numerisTrade	hey mircea_popescu	[11:50]
keonne	BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?	[11:50]
keonne	I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets	[11:50]
keonne	BingoBoingo: I see no reason not to use blockchain.info for day to day spending	[11:51]
keonne	wait	[11:51]
keonne	that sentence sucked	[11:51]
keonne	but you get the gist	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Well local software wallets can handle day to day spending without much syncing burden	[11:51]
keonne	i'm open to alternative suggestions	[11:51]
keonne	BingoBoingo: on my android phone?	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	Multibit 0.5.11, but no later	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Root it?	[11:52]
keonne	it is rooted	[11:52]
numerisTrade	what about Electrum?	[11:52]
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BingoBoingo	numerisTrade: Also not a bad choice	[11:52]
keonne	most of my day to day spending is done in actual shops, so having my spending wallet mobile is pretty important to me	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939	[11:53]
keonne	besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being	[11:53]
ozbot	The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d	[11:53]
keonne	lol mircea_popescu	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?	[11:53]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.	[11:54]
keonne	lol no they do not	[11:54]
keonne	BingoBoingo: i dont know about that	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	me either.	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	much unknowns of many flavours in this swamp we live in	[11:55]
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mircea_popescu	keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?	[11:55]
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keonne	no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	you mean btc. which as we've meanwhile established, isn't money :D	[11:56]
keonne	mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?	[11:56]
keonne	right of course	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[11:56]
keonne	unless mr texas gets his way	[11:56]
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mircea_popescu	it got a few people, myself included, raising eyebrows	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete apparently http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98938	[11:57]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:57]
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keonne	honestly mircea_popescu i have no idea, like i said I am not very technical, and those who are weren't very communicative with us about what actually happened	[11:57]
keonne	i know there is an internal review going on	[11:57]
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keonne	afaik no funds were lost EXCEPT on sharedcoin	[11:59]
keonne	and we repaid all those	[11:59]
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keonne	I wish I could be of more use	[11:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I can't stahp reading your negro speak article	[12:00]
keonne	lol these reddit comments	[12:00]
keonne	"No this blogger is known for being a bigot psychopath	[12:00]
keonne	"	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	dja understand what i mean ? it's not just some random attack, it's any and all attacks this creates undue vulenrability to.	[12:01]
BingoBoingo	^^	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.	[12:02]
keonne	yes that does sound concerning	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	because this isn't something one shrugs off	[12:02]
BingoBoingo	Is piuk still at Blockchain.info?	[12:03]
keonne	yes	[12:03]
keonne	mircea_popescu: will do	[12:03]
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bounce	apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.	[12:04]
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mircea_popescu	bounce who said a bank account is a privilege lol	[12:04]
bounce	s/tax /tax/	[12:04]
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BingoBoingo	bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative	[12:05]
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bounce	what, debt bondage cards?	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.	[12:06]
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mircea_popescu	you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier	[12:06]
keonne	BingoBoingo: that article (negro speak) is brilliant	[12:06]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.	[12:07]
keonne	mircea_popescu: rfid tramp stamp, fake japanese characters and all	[12:07]
BingoBoingo	bounce: the many flavors of prepaid debit cards are the thought	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	well yours can just say "keonne", it's weird enough	[12:07]
keonne	yes I saw it when someone posted it in here... punkman maybe	[12:07]
fluffypony	keonne: I would stay away from MultiBit if you're non-technical; Electrum is deterministic so you backup your wallet by writing down or memorising 12 words, much easier	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e	[12:07]
bounce	peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.	[12:08]
keonne	fluffypony: im technical enough not to be an idiot	[12:08]
keonne	not technical enough to give mircea_popescu an answer	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	he's a semi-tractor-technical.	[12:08]
keonne	quite, lol	[12:08]
fluffypony	keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money	[12:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I know an East StL math teacher that lost half a BTC of mine last year. In short time you can learn a new language.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[12:09]
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keonne	fluffypony: yeah i read about that, pretty shitty, i don't know that multibit ahs even acknowledged that issue	[12:09]
bounce	half-track technical would be more interesting	[12:09]
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BingoBoingo	keonne fluffypony This is why I specify 0.5.11 or earlier recommending Multibit	[12:10]
fluffypony	keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out	[12:10]
keonne	BingoBoingo: i assumed as much	[12:10]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: Point	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.	[12:10]
keonne	mircea_popescu: is this your real name?	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[12:11]
keonne	It is a common name in Romania?	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	well the surname is.	[12:11]
BingoBoingo	Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	kinda rare.	[12:11]
keonne	When I was 14, I got scammed so hard, trying to buy 100 Motorolla RAZRs from a Mircea Popescu in Romania	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	nowai ?	[12:12]
keonne	for real	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	well that may have not been his real name	[12:12]
BingoBoingo	Maybe was the artist?	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	keonne how long ago is being 14 ?	[12:12]
keonne	11 years	[12:12]
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keonne	Maybe I was 15	[12:13]
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keonne	I dont remember, but the RAZR was the hottest phone on the market	[12:13]
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keonne	And I sold the phones on to people, before I even had them, ended up in some shit, lol...	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	keonne actually, here's a story followed by fun trick :	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.	[12:14]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com rezultate la bacalaureat sesiunea	[12:14]
gribble	Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Mures - Trilema: ; Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Teleorman ...: ; Iulie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	anyone feeling like building a db of name frequency in romania can simply wget and grep and awk that.	[12:15]
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keonne	oh wow cool	[12:15]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!	[12:15]
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fluffypony	(Found as it was mentioned her last night when I was asleep)	[12:15]
fluffypony	Here	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	i didn't get to read it yet, because well... i got this endless list of reports to look through yet.	[12:15]
keonne	I suck a grep	[12:15]
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keonne	but I could throw together a quick python script probably	[12:16]
fluffypony	Mmmmmm python	[12:16]
keonne	Its okay though. I appreciated that possibly fake mircea popescu - he taught me a good lesson	[12:16]
fluffypony	Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible	[12:16]
keonne	at an early age	[12:16]
keonne	mostly, not to use western union for anything ever	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?	[12:17]
keonne	I was selling them for 550 USD	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.	[12:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun	[12:17]
keonne	I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	http://www.portfolios.ro/popescu	[12:18]
ozbot	Mircea Popescu - artist vizual - Timisoara, Romania	[12:18]
keonne	well, by bought, i mean sent him money via western union	[12:18]
fluffypony	keonne: Ouch	[12:18]
keonne	I bet I still have all the emails	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?	[12:18]
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keonne	lol like i said, a good lesson early on	[12:18]
fluffypony	The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	that's a different time.	[12:19]
keonne	the 00's i think were the exact opposite	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[12:19]
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keonne	it wasnt about me trusting this dude	[12:19]
keonne	it was me trusting Western Union, and not understanding WTF i was doing	[12:20]
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mircea_popescu	ha. sounds exactly by the book.	[12:20]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s	[12:20]
keonne	yes, by the book, hope he ate well, compliments of the stupid american	[12:20]
fluffypony	Brain fail	[12:20]
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mircea_popescu	he probably paid some debts, got a coupla girls for a long weekend and that was it.	[12:21]
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keonne	good	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	or maybe he saved it and bought lehman stock.	[12:21]
keonne	haha	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	i knew a guy like this, was hysterical. had a bookie biz, old skinny guy, megasmoker, huge glasses	[12:22]
keonne	yup i still have the emails	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	he meticulously avoided mixing "earned" moneys with "bezzled" moneys	[12:22]
keonne	yeah it was through alibaba haha	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.	[12:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]	[12:23]
keonne	very smart	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	beyond nutty.	[12:23]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Actually the opposite	[12:23]
keonne	how?	[12:23]
keonne	what did I miss	[12:23]
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mircea_popescu	well perhaps so far gone beyond nutty it wraps back again into smart, who knows.	[12:24]
BingoBoingo	keonne: The defintion of want and the definition of bezzle	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	keonne for one thing, his entire operation was fully illegal from all povs.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	what "earned".	[12:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}	[12:25]
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keonne	maybe I just liked him outright because he was a megasmoker	[12:25]
keonne	and a bookie	[12:26]
bounce	now I can't help but wonder if your (nickserv/on connect) passwords aren't vulnerable even if /you/ don't connect via ssl to freenode. since loaded library, probably.	[12:26]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors	[12:26]
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BingoBoingo	bounce: Last I checked freenode was still up.down dating server by server	[12:27]
keonne	BingoBoingo: no doubt	[12:27]
fluffypony	bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap	[12:27]
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fluffypony	In testing against nginx I only ever saw https request data	[12:27]
fluffypony	Never http requests	[12:27]
fluffypony	Apache/lighty may be different	[12:27]
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keonne	Address: Gavana 3	[12:28]
keonne	City: Pitesti	[12:28]
keonne	Zip Code: 0300	[12:28]
keonne	Country: Romania	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	keonne they patched the servers yest ish	[12:29]
fluffypony	Send mircea_popescu to break his legs?	[12:29]
fluffypony	:-P	[12:29]
keonne	lol	[12:29]
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BingoBoingo	keonne: MP is Timisoara	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<< once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.	[12:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00096662 = 28.5153 BTC [-] {3}	[12:30]
keonne	lmao	[12:30]
fluffypony	lol	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	keonne so pastebin teh emails, we have a lol.	[12:30]
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fluffypony	I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, got a blog ?	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony #trilema is +m	[12:30]
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mircea_popescu	vely sirent.	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes	[12:30]
keonne	no blog	[12:31]
fluffypony	Brb	[12:31]
Apocalyptic	I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	it was yes.	[12:31]
BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: You handled heartbleed yet?	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	;;voice	[12:31]
gribble	Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	stuff's still implemented too.	[12:31]
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Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, yes sir, as far as updatings the libs, I'm waiting for the new cert	[12:32]
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BingoBoingo	Apocalyptic: Good, I need to keep ATC from spiraling out of control	[12:33]
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mircea_popescu	they at 0 yet ?	[12:33]
Apocalyptic	far from it	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic don't you just love this cert business as implemented.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	fucking burn them down.	[12:33]
Apocalyptic	^	[12:33]
Apocalyptic	i have a plan to switch to a full mpex-like model	[12:34]
keonne	;;gpg eauth keonne	[12:34]
gribble	Request successful for user keonne, hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/7EECABD58314C40C	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.	[12:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ATC is still between 0 and 135 Satoshis	[12:34]
BingoBoingo	* 100 and 135 satoshis	[12:35]
bounce	(repaste) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2014-04/0359.html	[12:35]
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keonne	;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3ad047e67d7e696a316b00739955313d04c828ce88b9f8ae7ca87ca1	[12:36]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C	[12:36]
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mircea_popescu	bounce indeed.	[12:37]
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mircea_popescu	bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?	[12:38]
Apocalyptic	nice link bounce	[12:39]
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mircea_popescu	zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.	[12:39]
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BingoBoingo	Theo could use a support harem	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	"decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.	[12:40]
keonne	haha	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform punkman that is a car that was sideswiped into a pole by a large truck.	[12:41]
BingoBoingo	So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	driver mostly innocent if at all present (unlikely)	[12:41]
keonne	is there a pic?	[12:41]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i would hope to not be as senile as ted turner was in 10 years.	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	keonne http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562	[12:42]
keonne	ooof	[12:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Ted Turner did those things for what he imagined was a reason. I imagine you would have a better reason, butthurt.	[12:42]
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mircea_popescu	haha hardly.	[12:43]
BingoBoingo	I mean Digg sold for what, 200k?	[12:43]
keonne	lol digg	[12:43]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Not your posessing, but your inflicting	[12:43]
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mircea_popescu	digg was a big thing back in the day	[12:43]
keonne	it sure was	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	reddit never was tbh.	[12:43]
keonne	yep	[12:43]
keonne	reddit was like diggs ugly step sister	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	i mean, sure slashdot sucks today, but one day it was a big thing. meanwhile 9gag or baumwhatever never were big things	[12:44]
BingoBoingo	reddit is like 4Chainz without pr0nz	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	what was that thing called	[12:44]
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BingoBoingo	Ebaums	[12:44]
keonne	ebaumsworld	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	a yes!	[12:44]
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keonne	BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit	[12:45]
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bounce	don't link me, and no I don't have a twittar	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	aok.	[12:45]
keonne	/r/dirtysmall being a personal favourite	[12:45]
Naphex	morning	[12:45]
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bounce	actually michelem in #freebsd	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.	[12:47]
mircea_popescu	we kinda need a pki replacement standard.	[12:47]
BingoBoingo	So much so	[12:47]
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BingoBoingo	Really a Python, LISP or C for retards readable imlementation	[12:47]
bounce	let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.	[12:48]
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Naphex	there is PolarSSL and CySSL	[12:48]
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Naphex	but more aimed for embedded work	[12:48]
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BingoBoingo	Naphex: Explain	[12:48]
bounce	a WoT thingy makes more sense, but is harder to work with and harder to understand	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform more than semiconductor chemistry i'd say. lynn conway wasn't 40 years ago was she ?	[12:48]
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mircea_popescu	bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	this is inspiured by ... ford t pretty much	[12:49]
samson_	PolarSSL is perfect for all sorts of platforms, Windows, Linux and MacOS included	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	samson_ who makes it ?	[12:50]
samson_	polarssl.org	[12:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00579967 = 0.2436 BTC [+] {4}	[12:50]
Naphex	used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	ah ah	[12:50]
Naphex	Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl	[12:51]
samson_	The picocoin project is being forked to use it	[12:51]
bounce	hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way	[12:51]
Naphex	i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.	[12:51]
samson_	They only added EC in PolarSSL recently	[12:51]
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bounce	s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	bounce this is true.	[12:52]
BingoBoingo	Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it is when i dress...	[12:52]
bounce	the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.	[12:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[12:53]
bounce	"oh yeah I coulda said dis in one line but I only thought about it now" -- no real copyediting going on.	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.	[12:54]
BingoBoingo	Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	puritan mental issues.	[12:54]
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bounce	heh. derpage in a can.	[12:54]
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mircea_popescu	it's a thing tho. your average "man's rights" dood on a forum somewhere is only happy in an "unhappy" marriage.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	that sort of contorted, psycho stuff.	[12:55]
BingoBoingo	I want to do a post on Donnie Darko and Popular American Calvinism, but I just can't get myself drunk enough to write it.	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453832612768145408	[12:56]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i should send you a bottle of this here cognac	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	it passes the morning after test	[12:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I like cognac. I'd have to get cigarettes that aren't menthols, but I like that family of liquors.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	fuck da man, srsly.	[12:57]
BingoBoingo	Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.	[12:58]
bounce	happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons	[12:58]
bounce	funny how that keeps on biting	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell ThickAsThieves of course you don't use tor unless you're doing something illegal. EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO IS ILLEGAL!	[12:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	and in the soviet union before that,	[12:59]
BingoBoingo	I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	consider this illustrative piece : http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	"We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?	[13:01]
BingoBoingo	I raise you http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	ya lol.	[13:02]
BingoBoingo	Maybe we can improve on a topic raised on Goat's forum?	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	"it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.	[13:02]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[13:03]
BingoBoingo	Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here	[13:03]
BingoBoingo	But nao that Ibuprofen has been a drug for so long	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	i guess may account for why putin "doens't understand how the world works".	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, i wonder what % of the us agency agents are actually drug free. not pretend-free, not pass the test free, but actually, as a lifestyle.	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	afaik the fsb still by and large is.	[13:05]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo isn't 54 a little young to die ?	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	For small sample sizes I can gather, in the US the actual drug free figures are small	[13:06]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Eh, UW only was one year short of my pappy	[13:07]
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mircea_popescu	this sounds like the fucking pleistocene all oer again.	[13:08]
BingoBoingo	My hypothesis on why Putin can't understant how the world works though is that the world just doesn't work because it has no benefit from doing so.	[13:08]
BingoBoingo	The world just is.	[13:08]
BingoBoingo	No matter who or what slaps it on the ass the world can just persist in being.	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it was obviously a jab at a roomfull of potheads telling the sober guy that "he doesn't understand how the pretty colors work"	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	well duh. they ain't there.	[13:09]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the US in any niche there is always a puritain contingent of some pretending to bees. Generally the higher in any gov niche the more they dominate.	[13:10]
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mircea_popescu	aha	[13:11]
BingoBoingo	I've only met one person who worked at DISA though and they were shipped to London after racking up more DUIs int he states than Mr Bond himself.	[13:11]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[13:12]
BingoBoingo	The Robert Hansen puritain to a fault type though at the higher levels of government security organizations is not that rare in the US though.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise << it's only "still around" in the sense of noise. like you know, the dead aren't really dead if you remember them :D	[13:13]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete it's even been announced, some fork. basically they want to fork it because htey perceive they should be given more of this world than the ycan take by themselves, for themselves, and they perceive it's unfair that just as soon as an algo of division is established, better people get more than them.	[13:14]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:14]
BingoBoingo	This transition in the US really was a big thing between Pershing and Lyndon Johnson	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete and so they want to just keep changing the algos and dream on.	[13:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[13:15]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1774954/plain/)	[13:15]
BingoBoingo	Essentially J E Hoover was more damaging to the US than Brezhnev could have ever been to the Soviet republics	[13:16]
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mircea_popescu	i dun know brejnev was all that bad, economically at least.	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	kinda nil politically.	[13:17]
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BingoBoingo	I the US the Hooverites paited him as the devil, worse than Castro, but he gave Russia its booze back.	[13:17]
BingoBoingo	So I can't complain.	[13:18]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I showed my wife that blog post	[13:19]
fluffypony	She was laughing	[13:19]
fluffypony	She says hi: http://i.imgur.com/w6yiSSd.jpg	[13:19]
BingoBoingo	However the Hoover lives on in US 3 letter culture in that alcohol is more poisonous to many of those factions than coke (which the CIA loves for obvious reasons)	[13:19]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Easier to tell her to submit http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/	[13:21]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: LOL	[13:21]
fluffypony	That was NSFL	[13:22]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: I think that picture popularized that acronym	[13:22]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98941 that, basically.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[13:24]
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mircea_popescu	i guess i'm blogging this.	[13:24]
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fluffypony	Heh heh	[13:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0550002 = 0.605 BTC [+]	[13:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}	[13:25]
BingoBoingo	The Buttcoiner mentality critiqued long ago by someone else	[13:25]
BingoBoingo	http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/thesks.htm	[13:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05500023 = 0.22 BTC [+]	[13:26]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: ok but as mentioned in the original post, the issue was not solvency or collateral - it was a brief experiment to see if I could get a secured loan at a better rate than I could locally	[13:26]
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mircea_popescu	you know there's a guy who tried this in 2012 for similar reasons ?	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	he got really buttreamed, but he did pay off afaik, and one of the few to do so.	[13:27]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: What was his collateral though? And did eh link it to the usd price?	[13:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00561522 = 0.3762 BTC [-] {5}	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	he did not, no. mostly because nobody in btc would accept such a deal.	[13:28]
fluffypony	Yeah I get that	[13:28]
fluffypony	I was...more naive then	[13:28]
fluffypony	Not that I'm not naive now	[13:28]
fluffypony	But hopefully a little less	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	way it works.	[13:29]
fluffypony	Yeah it was an excellent lesson in the dynamics of bitcoin and of the community	[13:30]
keonne	fluffypony: props to not being a butthurt bitch in the comments	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/	[13:32]
fluffypony	keonne: Meh, it was a year ago, and I can understand mircea_popescu not noticing the USD linked loan	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	i did notice it. i discarded it, too, cause who the hell is giving you a fiat loan.	[13:33]
keonne	ok, off for a bit, cheers	[13:33]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Btc jam had the option, I figured it wasn't unheard of for loans with a term of more than like 2 weeks	[13:33]
fluffypony	Otherwise it's just asking for trouble	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, as kman says, props for not being a butthurt bitch.	[13:34]
fluffypony	No worries	[13:34]
keonne	sand. kofte, cigarettes, and coffee, somewhere truffles is dying inside do to my lack of healthly activities	[13:34]
keonne	kman - hah my dad calls me that	[13:34]
keonne	*due	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	keonne it's what seinfeld called kramer, too :D	[13:34]
fluffypony	keonne: Coffee is awesome, I refuse to believe it has any negative affect on my health :-P	[13:34]
keonne	mircea_popescu: you keep getting better and better	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	nothing has a negative effect on your health in moderate amts.	[13:35]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, fucking kills.	[13:35]
BingoBoingo	keonne: Truffles is basically Diablo-D3 but somehow less crazy and slow	[13:35]
keonne	you're my favourite pschyopathic bigot	[13:35]
Diablo-D3	BingoBoingo: truffles runs a large company and writes foss in his spare time?	[13:35]
keonne	lol BingoBoingo	[13:35]
BingoBoingo	Diablo-D3: I dunno, have you ever made peace with bread yet?	[13:36]
keonne	moderation and I.... eh	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	keonne http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4	[13:36]
fluffypony	Ok lunch time, bbl	[13:36]
keonne	lol!	[13:36]
Diablo-D3	BingoBoingo: thats like asking if I've made peace with fossil fuels	[13:36]
Diablo-D3	its a nonsensical statement	[13:36]
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mircea_popescu	actually my baguette has some charcoal embedded in it ;/	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	mebbe Diablo-D3 has a point there...	[13:37]
BingoBoingo	Fossil fuels make my Saturn go and don't give me any trouble.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	wait you drive a saturn ?	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	the exact car i'd have imagined.	[13:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: yeah, family sedan. gets zero unwanted attention	[13:38]
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dexX7	hey i'm still thinking about the heartbleed stuff and was wondering: how could one - in theory - do something nefarious with this? user sessions aside, but what else is flying around there?	[13:44]
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mircea_popescu	if you get the server's keys you can a)impersonate the server and b) decrypt all its traffic, thaty you previously stored.	[13:44]
BingoBoingo	Pretty much this is the worst of all cases that the mainstream security community would have supposed	[13:45]
dexX7	so this would be great for phishing for example?	[13:45]
BingoBoingo	Or Spear Phishing	[13:46]
BingoBoingo	Or DNS hijacking	[13:46]
dexX7	but the server's private key is usually not exchanged, i think?	[13:46]
BingoBoingo	Or just running a high traffic router and scooping up ciphertext	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 for anything.	[13:47]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: Heartbleed extracts that key	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 but it has to be in memory.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if you're looking for more of a perspective thing : this is without a doubt the largest vulnerability ever reported in the history of vulnerabilities.	[13:48]
dexX7	hm right. to encrypt something, you'd need the key, therefore it's somewhere	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	bar none, nothing comes close.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	it's larger than the cookie monster, and that thing had the advantage of there only being about 50 computers total.	[13:48]
BingoBoingo	dexX7: This allows extracting privates, so it allows Decrypting	[13:49]
dexX7	how likely is it such a flaw is implemented by accident?	[13:49]
dexX7	or rephrased: was it placed there to be exploited by some party?	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	how likely is it that you're really my wife and are currently pregnant with twin bald eagles ?	[13:50]
BingoBoingo	How often does the sun just stop fusion for a few minutes to catch a breath	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo funny factoid : the sun fusion is not unlike mining. it could in principle be the case a finite interval goes without any emission.	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	not likely obviously	[13:52]
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mircea_popescu	but hence the solar cycles etc.	[13:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, of course the possibility exists that the sun stops totally for a measurable period of time, but...	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	mhm.	[13:54]
BingoBoingo	Like mining... How often actually	[13:54]
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dexX7	hehe.. no i mean.. people make errors, that's for sure, but sometimes one would say "you'd need to be very, very stupid, do to an error of this kind and it's likely no one sane would ever do something like this". and i'm wondering, if this is the case here	[13:55]
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mircea_popescu	this is an implant not an error. at what level in the process the implanting starts and cluelessness takes over is still unclear.	[13:56]
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mircea_popescu	the implanting ends*	[13:56]
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BingoBoingo	dexX7: Basically if your were stupid enough to err this way, you were to stupid to concieve of this way to err	[13:59]
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Naphex	https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember	[14:00]
ozbot	The Linux Backdoor Attempt of 2003	[14:00]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex indeed.	[14:00]
Naphex	and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html	[14:02]
BingoBoingo	People stumbling into the superiority of mutual betting https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ratings-for-all-the-bitcoin-sports-books.252942/page-26#post-5839153	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	the good old == vs = bug :D	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol. i hope they make a name for it and put it in wikipedia. something like a DAB, or something.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	maybe DUMB	[14:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It is just amazing how much justification goes on to deny the self is being swindled	[14:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	people like it in the butt, what.	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	if they didn't it'd have long disappeared.	[14:06]
Naphex	haha	[14:06]
BingoBoingo	Explains the longevity of the Bitcoin Foundation, though the low rate of activity there is telling	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	i would say the same thing explains the longevbity of the thing as explains the longevity of soviet satellites : they're still in orbit.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	they don't work, but unless we build a huge broom somehow...	[14:08]
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BingoBoingo	Purity though Transnidstria is nao b est Soviet	[14:09]
BingoBoingo	http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VaaBMIhp--/c_fit,w_320/671443921815989424.png	[14:12]
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BingoBoingo	"Besides, if Silicon Valley can proselytize about cloud country and dividing California into six pieces, why can't their political enemies engage in similar flights of fancy about the world as it currently exists? " << They can't	[14:18]
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BingoBoingo	So... where is truffles	[14:38]
BingoBoingo	http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/192771	[14:41]
ozbot	Login	[14:41]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell truffles Let us try this fantasy baseball thing head to head	[14:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:42]
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BingoBoingo	I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?	[14:45]
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fluffypony	http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963	[14:56]
ozbot	Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com	[14:56]
fluffypony	Fail by design	[14:56]
fluffypony	Go OpenSSL	[14:56]
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mircea_popescu	yeah was in the log earlier.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so where in sa do you live ?	[15:03]
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keonne	saturns never dent man, good stuff	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo how'd that work ?!	[15:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: WHich thing?	[15:07]
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mircea_popescu	"I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?"	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	but meanwhile i figured it out :)	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	Oh, yahoo is password weak because heartbleed. Figured I'd offer something on Yahoo for people to sign up for	[15:08]
BingoBoingo	Since no reason to use yahoo for anything of import at all	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	ever a good bingoboingotan	[15:08]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Plettenberg Bay, along the Garden Route	[15:09]
fluffypony	used to be in Cape Town	[15:09]
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mircea_popescu	" IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is" << actually, it's ... multisyncronous. pretty much the only mental space that readily comprehends irc flow is the sort that spent a lot of time doing debugger stepping.	[15:10]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony is rape quite so bad there as they say ?	[15:10]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, you can't minimise it, but it's a problem in the townships and villages and not so much in the suburbs	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	aha	[15:11]
fluffypony	but traditionally speaking women are not viewed as equals, so the men can just do whatever they want	[15:11]
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joecool	hmm, doesn't openssl also have weird licensing that would prevent a fork?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	so not exactly a race thing as much as a gender thing ?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	joecool not at all.	[15:11]
Naphex	lol	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	just a huge workload for very little pay that prevents a fork.	[15:11]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: both Afrikaaners (white) and native South Africans (black) have a similar view of women	[15:12]
fluffypony	although culturally that view developed independently of the other	[15:12]
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mircea_popescu	well most people alive, or historically existing had the same view.	[15:12]
fluffypony	the younger generation is better with that	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	well "women" in the traditional sense hardly exist in the newer generation. it's pretty much a genderless soup	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	kinda have my doubts of this weird construct's chances of survival, but we see.	[15:13]
fluffypony	true	[15:13]
fluffypony	the problem is that the women-as-sex-objects view among native African males leads to some weird crap	[15:14]
joecool	ah, yeah just looked it up, it has the advertising clause that makes it incompatible with GPL without an exemption	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	well yes but iirc it was bsd licensed	[15:14]
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fluffypony	like a complete disregard for logic when it comes to "rape a baby as a cure for AIDs"	[15:15]
fluffypony	because women + babies aren't = men	[15:15]
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mircea_popescu	well, that part can even be set aside. raping babies does not actually cure aids.	[15:16]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yep, but the idea persists	[15:17]
fluffypony	meh	[15:17]
fluffypony	anywhere you live you compromise	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	yes, inasmuch as embodiment is an imposition.	[15:17]
fluffypony	here it's crime + economy	[15:18]
fluffypony	in the US it's terrorism + natural disasters + the NSA	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	which goes back to my original genderless soup comment : they're not better about the problems, they just avoid them more.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	ipad ftw.	[15:18]
fluffypony	yep agreed	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	actually, if anyone cares to explore this topic, i've wtf'd my foreign slaves with "filantropica", a romanian movie of the 90s. pretty much a slice of life, could as well be a documentary.	[15:19]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: what do you use for IRC on the iPad? Colloquy?	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	i never used an ipad.	[15:20]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: oh I misunderstood the "ipad ftw." comment	[15:22]
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fluffypony	HeySteve: stay	[15:26]
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keonne	Filantropica	[15:34]
keonne	just saving in buffer for later retrieval	[15:34]
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keonne	mircea_popescu: when watching that film, how much of it is still relevant to Romania today	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	not much. romania changes incredibly fast, it's almost azn.	[15:40]
keonne	Okay	[15:40]
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keonne	I believe I am visiting Romania this year, I'm looking forward to it very much	[15:41]
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keonne	Mostly because I have no idea what to expect	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/	[15:47]
ozbot	Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	here, i gave up trying to post the shit in irc, made a blogpost instead.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	keonne you can always ask teh people after the conference.	[15:47]
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fluffypony	who's going to the Crypto Currency Convention in NY?	[15:48]
fluffypony	we're at the VertCoin stand, so you can go look at our stuff in person	[15:48]
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MisterE	mircea_popescu: is that a Romanian name?	[16:00]
MisterE	sounds very French to my Yankee ears	[16:00]
MisterE	the pronunciation nags at me heh	[16:01]
jurov	romanian lang is close to french	[16:02]
MisterE	ahh ok	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	absolutely romanian.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	doth not exist in any other language. except, of course.... murican.	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com mircea mircea monroe.	[16:04]
gribble	I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe Trilema - Un ...: ; Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Oda Superbiei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit google.	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/	[16:04]
ozbot	Mircea. Mircea Monroe. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:04]
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jurov	adolf_fishler: test failed	[16:46]
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blackwhite	morning gents	[16:47]
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jurov	evening	[16:48]
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fluffypony	mid-afternoon	[16:50]
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Musk	for the love of dumplings.	[17:02]
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robwhiz22	Hi.	[17:05]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, are you around?	[17:06]
BingoBoingo	robwhiz22: His name autocompleted, so he'll prolly see what you type	[17:07]
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robwhiz22	BingoBoingo: thank you. He told me to talk with him here.	[17:09]
robwhiz22	BingoBoingo: I'll try later and see if he's on.	[17:10]
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Musk	Guest15829 so hows the weather? :3	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [+] {3}	[17:11]
Musk	Guest12166 so hows the weather? :3	[17:11]
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MisterE	http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/126068/Heartbleed-Honeypot-Script.html	[17:33]
ozbot	Heartbleed Honeypot Script ≈ Packet Storm	[17:33]
MisterE	Guest76571: hows the weather?	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0359999 = 0.144 BTC [+]	[17:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.036 = 0.108 BTC [+]	[17:45]
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mike_c	BingoBoingo: thank you. that easter link made my day. hilarious :D	[18:10]
mike_c	"Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight."	[18:10]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[18:11]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096731 BTC [+]	[18:11]
thestringpuller	!ticker	[18:11]
assbot	Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?	[18:11]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[18:12]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096539 / 0.00099169 / 0.00101 (443278 shares, 439.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00093983 / 0.00097277 / 0.00101 (4331512 shares, 4,213.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089908 / 0.00101 (27459171 shares, 24,688.04 BTC)	[18:12]
danielpbarron	:<	[18:12]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[18:13]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.2, vol: 7535.31056283 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.392, vol: 6096.24982 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.403, vol: 3697.25441944 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 463.0, vol: 46.73166148 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.366863, vol: 2069.06200000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.84923361 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.126, vol: 55.37423946 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[18:14]
BingoBoingo	;;more drama	[18:14]
gribble	Error: I haven't seen drama.	[18:14]
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jurov	lol gribble.. "no drama here, move on"	[18:15]
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pLambert	has s.mpoe paid dividends this month yet?	[18:18]
thestringpuller	no sir	[18:18]
pLambert	is it going to?	[18:18]
thestringpuller	why wouldn't it?	[18:19]
pLambert	just wondering, the report came out a few days ago ...	[18:19]
thestringpuller	so did bitbet but it hasn't paid yet either	[18:19]
thestringpuller	patience :P	[18:19]
pLambert	I don't have time for patience!	[18:19]
mike_c	hm, it is later than usual. mp must be busy.	[18:20]
thestringpuller	with a conference in 2 weeks I'd hope he's busy :P	[18:20]
jurov	he every month either forgets or makes a mistake	[18:20]
mike_c	i vote for mpoe-pr as mpoe-accountant	[18:21]
jurov	the payout must involve truly heroic effort	[18:21]
pLambert	do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?	[18:22]
mike_c	maybe his piper wallet is out of printer paper	[18:22]
Guest12166	maybe this time he wants to get it right!	[18:22]
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jurov	i propose delayed divs to be compounded by MPBOR >:-]	[18:24]
Shakespeare	why, shareholders would just owe it next month ;)	[18:26]
benkay	pLambert: ms. whet?	[18:27]
benkay	(e)Mircea Popescu solemnly promises and warrants that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each Reporting Month will be published by him no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together	[18:27]
benkay	with the Statement of Profit and Loss of the next month.	[18:27]
pLambert	benkay: what?	[18:27]
benkay		[18:27]
benkay	(f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss MPOE/MPEx will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.	[18:27]
jurov	pLambert: her blog is named The Whet	[18:28]
benkay	do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?	[18:28]
pLambert	she has a blog?	[18:28]
benkay	;;google whet shall be delivered	[18:28]
gribble	Shall be Delivered \| The Whet: ; Chatper 14 - Wheat Futures - CME Group: ; Chapter 14B - Mini-Sized Wheat Futures - CME Group:	[18:28]
pLambert	how immediately is immediately in this case?	[18:29]
mike_c	i had this thought last night. if i was the nsa, and i had injected this awesome new backdoor into 1.0.1f, and i was really anxious for everyone to upgrade right now.. I would publicize my outdated backdoor called heartbleed.	[18:29]
benkay	pLambert: i suppose that's for His Busyness to determine, eh? not us plebs...	[18:30]
pLambert	mike_c: is it open source?	[18:30]
Mats_cd03	and the part where thousands of eyes have suddenly started running diffs against repos?	[18:30]
mike_c	pLambert: openssl? yes.	[18:30]
Mats_cd03	too many layers. do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars	[18:30]
benkay	mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem. << http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/tls/, seems to be about 8kloc	[18:30]
mike_c	isn't 'thousands of eyes' always the flawed argument why open source software is safe?	[18:31]
benkay	asciilifeform, mike_c, decimation, everyone else interested in ssl	[18:31]
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benkay	mike_c: kinda falls down when the eyes/kloc gets too small, or the l' of c are unreadable.	[18:32]
benkay	(l's)	[18:32]
jurov	djb just threw it all out and made his own from the ground up	[18:32]
Shakespeare	benkay, the issue (and likely reality) I see with your NSA theory is that it would echo to all versions ever	[18:33]
mike_c	visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway.	[18:33]
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benkay	my NSA theory?	[18:33]
benkay	Shakespeare: is that you, TaT?	[18:34]
Apocalyptic	probably	[18:34]
Mats_cd03	is	[18:34]
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Shakespeare	yes	[18:36]
Shakespeare	just keep forgetting to unlock my name in 30secs	[18:36]
Shakespeare	and I like this name too	[18:36]
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benkay	bounce: re "intuitive" computing: i build this shit all day and only occasionally hate my life. the only time it makes sense to me is when it's not so much a bit of software (software nominally empowering humans to do things they could not before) but a tool (in the sense of a hammer, used to do a specific thing).	[18:37]
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benkay	case in point, a 2fa app for these fine gents: http://www.tozny.com/	[18:37]
benkay	does one thing, and that well.	[18:37]
Apocalyptic	"We have four premium 'BRANDABLE' Crypto Coin niche domains for sale at	[18:38]
Apocalyptic	bargain pricing that I thought you guys would like to know about as they	[18:38]
Apocalyptic	are all within your industry and are extremely valuable beyond our prices"	[18:38]
benkay	(sneak peek everyone: soon to announce having performed actual crypto audit and implemented fixes!)	[18:38]
Apocalyptic	seriously what kind of spam I get.. moreover the domains are shitty	[18:38]
thestringpuller	benkay: pm	[18:40]
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benkay	highly confusing to catch the pm note before the actual pm, thestringpuller ;)	[18:42]
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MisterE	http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/09/mass-stabbing-at-pennsylvania-high-school	[18:44]
ozbot	Mass stabbing at Pennsylvania high school \| World \| News \| Toronto Sun	[18:44]
joecool	20? kid's got skills	[18:45]
benkay	stabby stabby	[18:47]
benkay	this is why everyone should be taught to fight at age six	[18:48]
benkay	in other derpy news: no more wome	[18:48]
benkay	(goddamn kill ring)	[18:48]
benkay	http://juggalocoin.org/	[18:48]
ozbot	JuggaloCoin	[18:48]
benkay	so this irs position where you get taxed on the increase in value of your coins	[18:50]
benkay	seems like it'd make more sense if they just taxed you on the acquisition of coins. just like normal income.	[18:50]
benkay	i know i know; party line is "bitcoins aren't money"	[18:51]
Musk	benkay Lets all watch Bloomberg t.v the essances of real economic news...	[18:54]
*	Musk chuckles.	[18:54]
dignork	benkay, but they tax you only when switching btc to something else, as in barter deal	[18:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0558 = 0.2232 BTC [-]	[18:54]
pankkake	paying taxes, what a strange idea	[18:54]
*	benkay rolls eyes	[18:55]
mike_c	yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes.	[18:56]
benkay	dignork: i understand the situation on the ground.	[18:56]
Musk	Hey guys are you lazy workers? yes.. then move to france.. its now illegal for employers to contract you after 6PM.	[18:57]
Musk	contact*	[18:57]
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Apocalyptic	what	[18:57]
benkay	hey man contracts is contracts	[18:58]
Musk	http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2014/apr/09/french-6pm-labour-agreement-work-emails-out-of-office...	[18:58]
Musk	i meant Contact... gosh.	[18:58]
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Musk	This kind of news might lead to capital flying out of the country though.	[18:59]
benkay	and who are you, Musk?	[19:00]
benkay	;;gettrust Musk	[19:00]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Musk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Musk \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Musk \| Rated since: never	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14364288 BTC to 7`651 shares, 41088 satoshi per share	[19:00]
pankkake	that really is non-news. you never were forced to answer, unless by contract (which is likely not going to change)	[19:00]
pLambert	benkay: is there any capitla left to fly?	[19:01]
benkay	i had nothing to do with that comment, pLambert	[19:01]
benkay	i'm insufficiently capitalized myself to talk about capitalization	[19:02]
benkay	plus, france.	[19:02]
pLambert	bah, reading in a line is hard.	[19:03]
Mats_cd03	benkay re: tozny...tag line says eliminate the need for passwords, so is this just... auth by phone?	[19:03]
benkay	not really accurate	[19:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]	[19:03]
benkay	don't be too harsh on the guys, they need to throw down another 10-20k on branding and copy.	[19:04]
Mats_cd03	a clever founder would hire a starving artist for 500usd	[19:04]
benkay	there's an auth path that does away with passwords, but i don't know that anyone's going to implement it.	[19:04]
benkay	the approach i expect to see implementers use is passwords + phone auth	[19:05]
jurov	and loot all photobanks for moar nice pictures	[19:05]
benkay	Mats_cd03: have you ever seen enterprise-sales grade material come out of a starving artist?	[19:05]
Mats_cd03	if you look in the right places, it can be had	[19:06]
jurov	benkay: cause mobile malware is non-extant, right?	[19:06]
Mats_cd03	try uc berkeley, or san francisco downtown :)	[19:07]
benkay	starving artists in san francisco??	[19:07]
benkay	pull the other one, Mats_cd03	[19:07]
Mats_cd03	i guess they're not starving, just homeless	[19:07]
benkay	(leastaways starving css jockies)	[19:07]
benkay	jurov: since when?	[19:08]
Mats_cd03	i imagine mitigating mobile malware is largely a policy issue	[19:08]
benkay	as with all installed software, i think it's the user's issue.	[19:08]
jurov	are you both serious?	[19:08]
Mats_cd03	give the nerds that need a smartphone something with a concrete expected support lifetime	[19:09]
jurov	we are just on tthe threshold on gsm baseband exploits	[19:09]
jurov	that stuff can do everything	[19:09]
jurov	there will be blood. now it's the worst time to rely on phones for anything	[19:10]
benkay	compromise via gsm modem oslt?	[19:10]
Mats_cd03	the enemy still wouldnt have the keys you use to communicate securely though	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	at the app layer, anyway	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	(idk anything about gsm)	[19:11]
benkay	nor i.	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	ive known for some time the equipment for attacks against gsm has been affordable	[19:11]
jurov	it has bus access	[19:11]
Mats_cd03	<2kUSD in equipment now im sure	[19:12]
pankkake	gsm was designed by people with no real computing experience. don't trust the telephonists for anything	[19:12]
jurov	yes, that's why i'm talking about threshold	[19:12]
pankkake	it only lasted because the equipment was expensive	[19:12]
jurov	http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseband_hacking_a_new_frontier_for_smartphone_break_ins#awesm=~oAX7gdWJCz6y2g	[19:13]
ozbot	Baseband Hacking: A New Frontier for Smartphone Break-ins – ReadWrite	[19:13]
jurov	just one report of many	[19:13]
benkay	"smarter" (or more well-capitalized) heads than mine have decided that this thing flies. we just ensure that the parts over which we have authority do what they say on the tin. per asciilifeform's mice and comments on proofs, the stack is ultra complex and its vulnerabilities are beyond our pay grade to even address.	[19:13]
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jurov	you are ironic?	[19:14]
benkay	no, just stupid.	[19:14]
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benkay	explain it to me before i make more mistakes, jurov	[19:15]
jurov	but i don't get what you are misunderstanding?	[19:15]
benkay	customer wants a gun that fires backwards. i say "but it fires backwards!" they say "just build it."	[19:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 95 @ 0.00408918 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {7}	[19:16]
jurov	or your tozny comment was meant ironically from the start?	[19:16]
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benkay	i dunno where this went off the rails.	[19:17]
benkay	you and i both know the only solution is keys on a device you trust and bitcoin.	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00520587 = 0.177 BTC [+] {2}	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05679361 = 2.2717 BTC [+] {5}	[19:18]
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benkay	;;tslb	[19:30]
gribble	Time since last block: 7 minutes and 26 seconds	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	.d	[19:30]
ozbot	6.120 billion \| Next Diff in 1385 blocks \| Estimated Change: 3.1369% in 9d 7h 27m 39s	[19:30]
benkay	;;calc 529/60	[19:31]
gribble	8.81666666667	[19:31]
benkay	supply high, demand low.	[19:31]
benkay	;;ticker	[19:31]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 444.31, Best ask: 444.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 444.31, 24 hour volume: 8064.52728342, 24 hour low: 439.5, 24 hour high: 458.2, 24 hour vwap: 448.973423497	[19:31]
benkay	WHY CRASH?!?!?	[19:32]
arij	btc ded	[19:33]
mike_c	cuz china, duh.	[19:33]
pLambert	is the guy who runs bitvps on here?	[19:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	How many times is BTC just going to crash to the same price it was yesterday roughly??? This is catastrophe!!!	[19:34]
arij	pLambert, yes, pm me	[19:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05530004 = 0.2765 BTC [-] {3}	[19:35]
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Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3-PaqZGbA	[19:36]
ozbot	Rep Jared Polis (D-CO) Using The Robocoin ATM - YouTube	[19:36]
benkay	claptastrophe	[19:36]
Naphex	like alien technology	[19:36]
Naphex	all gather around	[19:36]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/lOT2cr4	[19:42]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[19:42]
nubbins`	rough draft	[19:42]
nubbins`	comments welcome but will likely be discarded ;D	[19:42]
benkay	hey nubbins` what did the CBC end up saying instead of dick surgery?	[19:43]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Eye doesn't look to be inflamed	[19:44]
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BingoBoingo	news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/1449259/smart-car-tipping-trending-in-san-francisco	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00096537 = 14.3357 BTC [-] {2}	[19:48]
nubbins`	benkay: "D something surgery"	[19:49]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: there's more than one way to make an eye pink ;p	[19:49]
nubbins`	iirc smartcar tipping was popular in amsterdam some years ago	[19:49]
nubbins`	pop 'em right into the canals	[19:50]
cgcardona_	nubbins`: $5 and not 0.1BTC ?	[19:50]
nubbins`	cgcardona_ inorite? shockin	[19:50]
cgcardona_	old skool	[19:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]	[19:51]
nubbins`	altho we got our Square reader in the mail yesterday, so we'll accept credit cards at the merch table	[19:52]
benkay	ffs include an http at the front of your links BingoBoingo	[19:54]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: That omission was intentional	[19:54]
nubbins`	heh	[19:54]
nubbins`	ffs set up your client properly benkay ;D	[19:55]
benkay	but hao	[19:55]
nubbins`	REGEX	[19:55]
benkay	i r no time hack irc	[19:55]
benkay	oh jesus and definitely no time to write regexen	[19:55]
cgcardona_	in soviet russia irc hacks you	[19:55]
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nubbins`	and regex learns you	[19:55]
nubbins`	(swidt?)	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	pLambert yeah. imminently.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller bitbet ain't paying cause it overpaid last month :D	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	jurov the payout must involve truly heroic effort << no, i'm just being blonde most of the time	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway. << it's good for some things, bad for others, not really optional imo	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?	[21:10]
asciilifeform	one day (tm) people will wake up and see that 'c machine', memory allocation in software, untyped pointers, etc. are dumb.	[21:10]
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mircea_popescu	never!	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	you'rer just hating on their success	[21:12]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	besides, i like dangling my own pointers damnit	[21:12]
asciilifeform	obligatory - naggum's bathtub:	[21:13]
asciilifeform	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html	[21:13]
ozbot	Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` your typeface mix sucks ass.	[21:13]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform noob nagum. he thought security theatre was taking too much time in 2000	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	little did he know...	[21:15]
asciilifeform	little did they know, in 2014, about the uterus searches of 2030...	[21:15]
nubbins`	[15:03:22] Who the fuck is nubbins`` and why is he trying to scam me in PMs?	[21:17]
nubbins`	lelel.	[21:17]
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nubbins`	i tell ya, this nick is scam-proof	[21:17]
robwhiz22	Hello.	[21:17]
fluffypony	robwhiz22: hi! asl?	[21:17]
jurov	asciilifeform some considered it dumb from the very beginning. but ended up with "worse is better"-like self-consolations	[21:18]
fluffypony	:-P	[21:18]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: agreed	[21:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999998 BTC [+]	[21:18]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu invited me in here. I came in on Sunday but you were going to a Bat Mitzvah.	[21:18]
benkay	so what situation would lead to someone who accepted a funding action with btc after 1 block getting burned?	[21:18]
robwhiz22	Mircea, I sent you a proposal last week and you invited me in here for your answer.	[21:19]
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benkay	a fork immediately after the confirmation, which resolved to a branch in which the solo-conf transaction was not included?	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 no, i merely pointed you out to here. i'm still not going to pm with you, and that's not likely to change.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	if you keep pretending like you call the shots i'll simply ignore you.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	we about clear ?	[21:19]
jurov	robwhiz22 you are having another super sikrit idea?	[21:20]
jurov	if its success relies on utmost secrecy then it's not so good idea anyway	[21:20]
nubbins`	^	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	moreover, the anonymous enjoys perfect secrecy of their ideas anyway.	[21:21]
*	fluffypony ponders	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	nobody notices what the bums do in the holes they inhabit, nobody notices what "ideas" anon ppl "have" etc.	[21:22]
bounce	.oO( perfect forward secrecy of ideas )	[21:23]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, certainly you're the boss.	[21:23]
fluffypony	I find this a contentious issue...I agree that ideas are worthless, implementation is critical, but if implementation has already begun and the person seeks counsel/funding how much of that do they make public?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony if you stick around here you'll see great ideas being given away for free multiple times a week	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	and i do mean great, not in the sense of "tinker joe thinks this rocks after two beers".	[21:24]
pLambert	enough to make the people they are trying to get money from comfortable	[21:24]
fluffypony	pLambert: yeah there's the rub	[21:24]
benkay	the best way to make funders comfortable is by demonstrating competence.	[21:25]
pLambert	so, as much as you can give	[21:25]
benkay	past performance best indicator etc	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	dude get out. you got no money you're giving your entire idea away entirely for free to the people who have money.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	all of it.	[21:25]
benkay	withholding throws red flags, an important note.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	then maybe they give you the great opportunity to give the manother one. also for free.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	then, maybe, perhaps, possibly, you actually have a name	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	and can begun getting paid.	[21:26]
fluffypony	benkay: agreed	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	this obnoxious pretentiousness where "you" have an idea and x has money and you're now equals is like... dream on, you'll be on sex and the city	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	as the cumrag.	[21:26]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: are you talking to me or robwhatshisface?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	neither, i was just sayin' generally.	[21:27]
fluffypony	ah ok	[21:27]
mike_c	if the 'idea is worthless' and the 'implementaion is critical', then why be afraid to discuss the idea no matter what stage you are at.	[21:27]
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fluffypony	mike_c: I agree with that at the idea stage	[21:28]
nubbins`	wait, is fluffypony the guy with the fake wife?	[21:28]
mike_c	but once implementation has begun the idea suddently has value? ok..	[21:28]
fluffypony	nubbins`: LOL	[21:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 86.05453928 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 17 satoshi per share	[21:29]
fluffypony	nubbins`: I'll be sure to tell her she's fake :)	[21:29]
nubbins`	tyvm	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you hate blondies ?	[21:30]
nubbins`	not at all, my wife is blonder than that :D	[21:30]
*	fluffypony ^5 nubbins`	[21:30]
fluffypony	I never thought I'd marry a blonde	[21:30]
fluffypony	but they really are kinda fun	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	you hate girls that are too scatterbrained to buy nailpolish so they end up with hands in different colors ?	[21:30]
asciilifeform	;;google deng xiaoping cat colour	[21:31]
gribble	Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Deng Xiaoping Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Deng Xiaoping - Wikiquote:	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony at the rate you're ghoing she's going to be here to cuss us all out in person.	[21:31]
fluffypony	hah	[21:31]
nubbins`	why do you think i hate women ;(	[21:31]
benkay	bad feminist	[21:31]
benkay	no nookie	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:32]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: just noticed that...the polish is temperature sensitive gel	[21:32]
fluffypony	LeChat Mood something	[21:32]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/5VfFrqy.jpg	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	o so she had that finger up somewhere first foreals ?	[21:32]
*	fluffypony winks	[21:32]
fluffypony	don't you know it	[21:32]
asciilifeform	anyone remember liquid crystal pants?	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	ya lol	[21:33]
nubbins`	i remember hot wheels that did that	[21:33]
asciilifeform	and what supposedly accounted for their quick disappearance	[21:33]
nubbins`	and chip & pepper t-shirts	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	they should totally make these nailpolishes to react to whatever fuck hormones chicks have,	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	so the morning after her nails are white, and two weeks later it's bleedin' purple	[21:33]
asciilifeform	at some point 'flir' camera on phones will bring this game back.	[21:33]
fluffypony	hah	[21:33]
nubbins`	^	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	so you know, everyone in the bar knows who to hit on.	[21:34]
nubbins`	once again the public will know when your crotch is sweaty	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	maybe they could be free wirth obamacare	[21:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00012384 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {5}	[21:34]
asciilifeform	it will do to 'pick uppery' what rifling did for small arms	[21:34]
nubbins`	we actually buy inks from the company that used to make those color-changing inks	[21:34]
nubbins`	not color-changing ones, but still	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ie, send everyone spinning ?	[21:35]
jurov	wut, temp sensitive nail polish?	[21:35]
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fluffypony	jurov: yeah	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, please everyone don't read my supersikrit business idea	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla push ze logerase button pls.	[21:35]
fluffypony	http://www.salonsupplystore.co.za/introducing_lechat_perfect_match_mood_changing_colours	[21:35]
ozbot	Introducing LeChat Perfect Match Mood Changing Colours - Salon Supply Store	[21:35]
fluffypony	there you go	[21:35]
benkay	let me just go raise 5m for chemgineering	[21:35]
fluffypony	"mood" = temperature	[21:35]
fluffypony	apparently	[21:35]
nubbins`	natch	[21:36]
nubbins`	also lying=temperature	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	also catching her nail in the door = temperature.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	for some reason i picture the 'scope' as a gadget a la the MIT roulette cheating machine	[21:36]
benkay	fluffypony: so if there's an idea that's worthless, and the execution is everything, if you've made strides on execution that is a 'moat' in the parlance, ensaftifying your idea.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	benkay you mean ensafeizing.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	to avoid having to aim the scope, it would have to be mounted on... the user's crotch level.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	(codpiece?)	[21:36]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu - you wrote that you do not want to PM and that's not likely to change. Could you therefore answer here to the proposal I submitted to Polimedia?	[21:36]
fluffypony	ensaftifying my shoelaces	[21:37]
jurov	benaky isn't fructifying the right word?	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hate to break it to you but crotch levels vary	[21:37]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[21:37]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.000965 BTC [-]	[21:37]
benkay	all these made up words	[21:37]
benkay	signifying the SAME DAMN THING	[21:37]
fluffypony	benkay: just to make sure I understand, you're talking about this: http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/072908moat.htm ?	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	dude naggum rules.	[21:37]
*	fluffypony doesn't know the parlance. at all.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: i imagine you'd have to confess here wtf the 'proposal' is	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Sin	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	ce you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".	[21:38]
asciilifeform	or else your answer wouldn't make sense	[21:38]
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benkay	an acceptable first pass, fluffypony	[21:38]
*	fluffypony reads	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	" If you deny people the opportunity to defend something they feel is under threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe that you threaten them on purpose and that you willfully seek to destroy something very valuable to them."	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims to destroy our shit!!1"	[21:40]
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asciilifeform	for those who never encountered naggum, he was a fellow who often bulldozed idiots as a public service, much like mircea_popescu.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	my collection of naggumiana:	[21:42]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165	[21:42]
ozbot	Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum	[21:42]
robwhiz22	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted to polymedia and responded that "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.	[21:42]
robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I would have preferred not to chat in here but of course am happy to do so if he requires it.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer to all those that insist to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: what sense would the reply make to the rest of us if we don't know the question?	[21:42]
jurov	asciilifeform why all the rage.. just finish the damn time machine and force K&R to lisp instead on that PDP	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	that stock answer is, join here, build the relationship you seem to imagine you already have, talk after.	[21:42]
jurov	on gunpoint if need be	[21:42]
asciilifeform	jurov: may as well go back and zap the fellow responsible for tetraethyl lead in gasoline	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	why ?!	[21:43]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I see.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	boost 20th c. iq by a point or two	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	i'd just go back in time and fuck cleo.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	lol!	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	what!	[21:44]
asciilifeform	there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine	[21:44]
asciilifeform	he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:44]
asciilifeform	goes home, and planet is run by intelligent fungi	[21:44]
asciilifeform	whos exam he... flunks	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	okok	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	i'd go back in time and fuck	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	cleo's still warm corpse.	[21:45]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I'm unclear about what kind of relationship you have in mind.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	;;google dear departed cadaver to enjoy	[21:45]
gribble	Lyrics: Dear Departed - Bob Kanefsky: ; The Happy Haunted Horseshoe at the Magic Kingdom \| DIS Blog: ; The Crackle & The Static \| Cadaver Club:	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind that makes you think i could conceivably give a shit about your proposal.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	see if benkay sends me a proposal ima prolly read it. but you're not benkay.	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	so become benkay.	[21:47]
benkay	no don't its horrible	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	benkay don't worry, the past two dozen lines were all a setup for me to say "become benkay"	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	it's a calophilous thing.	[21:47]
fluffypony	yeah you'll have to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay	[21:47]
bounce	including the thing about warm necrofilia?	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	hm i guess im the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed to mean.	[21:48]
fluffypony	probably, I've never heard the word	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	it's a love of the form of phrase, unrelated to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	you know, like coders.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	tone poem	[21:49]
asciilifeform	(i believe that's the english term for it)	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it just denotes the general preocupation. doesn't have to be a poem	[21:49]
bounce	alliterative code. maybe the next scrum.	[21:49]
fluffypony	hah	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style to the possible detriment of meaning = calophile	[21:50]
fluffypony	Poem Masters will ensure that code is sung	[21:50]
bounce	rhyming user stories	[21:50]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine. Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned that interest, is up to you to communicate.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	kalophilos, exists as such in german	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	is this related to the cardano in some manner ?	[21:50]
benkay	you thought 3 line method calls were a thing?	[21:51]
benkay	now all must also be haiku	[21:51]
benkay	and rhyme	[21:51]
benkay	GO	[21:51]
bounce	oh, who was that philosopher guy with the headcase for exactly that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language than there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause to be effect and vv	[21:51]
fluffypony	benkay: GO like the language, or must we just go?	[21:51]
benkay	it's injunctive.	[21:51]
fluffypony	or self-defining	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	bounce just about ... half of them ?	[21:52]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, yes. I opened my to you with: Dear Polimedia, In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announcement on Cryptome: http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm Which includes, in part, "Critique of the product welcomed."	[21:52]
bounce	well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name. there's gotta be irony in there somewhere.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	aite, so go ahead an' critique it.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	interesting that someone might write a whatever re: cardano and not ask me.	[21:53]
robwhiz22	You have my letter. The cardano is not fit for any purpose today. (But this can change easily.) Why don't you read my letter then.	[21:53]
bounce	it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?	[21:53]
benkay	robwhiz22: share your shit.	[21:53]
benkay	stop derping and put it to the test.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'	[21:54]
bounce	a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/	[21:54]
asciilifeform	positively salivating!	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.	[21:54]
benkay	worst case scenario you can replace me as class clown	[21:54]
*	benkay cartwheels off	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	or else i guess here.	[21:54]
robwhiz22	asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)	[21:55]
nubbins`	why don't we just keep this circular "discussion" going instead	[21:55]
fluffypony	lol	[21:55]
bounce	it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya	[21:55]
nubbins`	art imitates life	[21:55]
mike_c	let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for the full details of the critique.	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	no wai ?!	[21:55]
fluffypony	mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you	[21:56]
robwhiz22	mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	suppose you just write the elevator speech in the next five minutes	[21:56]
benkay	or pastebin the letter	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	what am i, a highschool teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?	[21:56]
benkay	save yourself some work	[21:56]
robwhiz22	suppose you read my email? Don't you still have it?	[21:56]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: cardano is co-authored by me & mp. not dictated by him as work for hire. (see s.nsa contract on mpex.co for who's who)	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: if you've something to suggest, please do it here	[21:57]
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robwhiz22	asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	what are you, from the 50s ? this is the 21st century, work relations are fluid.	[21:58]
nubbins`	this is painful	[21:58]
mike_c	this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked the wrong victims.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << anyone wanna put this on reddit ?	[21:59]
ozbot	Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive	[21:59]
robwhiz22	All right. asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.	[21:59]
mike_c	'included for free with receipt of payment'.	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` can you draw this one ?	[21:59]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.	[21:59]
robwhiz22	mike_c, no, you have misunderstood. I included it in my email to Polimedia.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	dont you mean polimedya /	[22:00]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"	[22:00]
benkay	.bait	[22:00]
ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2eiywadkV1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?	[22:01]
Shakespeare	wow robwhiz22, stop being such a chore	[22:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if it had no appeal, who would do it	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	imh&uo, what's needed is a way to convert exploratory code from c to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp	[22:01]
Shakespeare	just say what you wanna say here and again	[22:01]
Shakespeare	it wont kill you	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs	[22:01]
bounce	"run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular these days too	[22:02]
bounce	as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything	[22:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i use emacs and 'slime', personally. 'f1' key wired to 'eval sexpr in current cursor'	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	yea see ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202	[22:02]
ozbot	Loper OS » Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	it's not even anything else than i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that	[22:02]
asciilifeform	ooda loop	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	it's really that big	[22:03]
fluffypony	I use imacs! we have so much in common, asciilifeform	[22:03]
fluffypony	:-P	[22:03]
robwhiz22	This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo	[22:03]
robwhiz22	u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."	[22:03]
robwhiz22	You should read it.	[22:03]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential	[22:03]
mike_c	satoshi hacked together bitcoin. still waiting for that rewrite..	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	mike_c indeed.	[22:03]
fluffypony	mike_c: MagicalTux was rewriting in PHP, innit?	[22:03]
bounce	for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.	[22:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05799879 = 0.29 BTC [+]	[22:03]
daybyter	nah....you can use lisp with nano, too.	[22:04]
robwhiz22	I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion. The main points are summarized below."	[22:04]
Shakespeare	robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then	[22:04]
Shakespeare	you'll get the benefit of all eyes	[22:04]
asciilifeform	lisp, of whatever kind, without emacs, is quite like trying to do international business without knowing a word of english	[22:04]
asciilifeform	certainly possible	[22:04]
daybyter	but take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.	[22:04]
robwhiz22	That is not how product proposals work, Shakespeare.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	i kinda like nano	[22:04]
Shakespeare	it is here	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano	[22:04]
bounce	used to use pico for ages.	[22:04]
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asciilifeform	at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you	[22:05]
Shakespeare	mp is trying to tell you, you dont decide how things work	[22:05]
asciilifeform	and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation	[22:05]
nubbins`	i still use pico when i have need to create flat text files	[22:05]
asciilifeform	this leaves... emacs+slime (and an obscure, experimental variant of 'vi')	[22:05]
nubbins`	(this isn't often)	[22:05]
robwhiz22	It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.	[22:05]
nubbins`	^ AHA	[22:05]
nubbins`	now we're getting to it	[22:05]
Shakespeare	so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform	[22:06]
Shakespeare	he made the damn thing	[22:06]
mike_c	how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.	[22:06]
nubbins`	^	[22:06]
asciilifeform	robwhiz22: you may wish to consider becoming distinguishable from a nigerian spammer	[22:06]
Shakespeare	also it isnt even in the wild	[22:06]
Shakespeare	you arent hurting anyone	[22:06]
nubbins`	/timer 15 ^	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck's gonna be harmed, the flies ?	[22:06]
mike_c	sure it is, ascii uses it to generate his bitcoin wallets :)	[22:06]
robwhiz22	I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.	[22:06]
*	Shakespeare collects another coke	[22:06]
asciilifeform	mike_c: the rng.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.	[22:07]
mike_c	not all of us can solder together our own trng	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDtgnQ0fy4	[22:07]
ozbot	Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham - YouTube	[22:07]
asciilifeform	mike_c: invest in a soldering iron. you'll be surprised at what can be made just from what people throw away.	[22:08]
bounce	upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.	[22:08]
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robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption. You can then release it. For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.	[22:08]
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robwhiz22	(But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)	[22:09]
nubbins`	so titillating	[22:09]
*	bounce proposes to include robwhiz22 in the premium version of the rng. such noise!	[22:09]
robwhiz22	You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is. However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary. I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.	[22:10]
mike_c	have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com? nobody polishes their turds around here. just publish it.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i polish my turds ;/	[22:10]
asciilifeform	some folks flunked spam school. didn't read 'spam like a pro in 21 days!' very attentively.	[22:10]
mike_c	(nobody - mp). and he's not mp.	[22:10]
robwhiz22	But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)	[22:10]
robwhiz22	I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for. The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	i am not mp.	[22:11]
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mike_c	;;ident mircea_popescu	[22:11]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.	[22:11]
mike_c	indeed you are not.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	hm. i gues i am.	[22:11]
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mircea_popescu	also, the brain specialist.	[22:12]
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asciilifeform	we're all bourbaki.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform would you like to buy my "how to get laid in egypt if you had a time machine" guide ?	[22:13]
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asciilifeform	i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	do consider it. bonus : no syphilis.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	also no aids.	[22:15]
robwhiz22	By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 it's not shipping yet.	[22:16]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, do you have a target date?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.	[22:16]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform	[22:17]
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BingoBoingo	;;more drama	[22:17]
gribble	Error: I haven't seen drama.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	til gribs is blind	[22:17]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping. For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	also for insecurities reasons.	[22:18]
robwhiz22	yes, also for marketing reasons :)	[22:19]
robwhiz22	i.e. if there is a beta phase.	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	why's you lot so worried about teh cardano anyway ? it's just a strong crypto device with impenetrable rng, what of it ?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	the world's going there anyway.	[22:21]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I agree with you. I think it has a large market.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.	[22:22]
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robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization. I would, as stated, personally offer it. As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.	[22:23]
robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated. This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.	[22:24]
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robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments. It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.	[22:25]
nubbins`	http://www.reddit.com/r/French/comments/22ljai/potential_phonetic_translation_of_word_i_heard/	[22:28]
nubbins`	my sides	[22:28]
nubbins`	tldr: french guy is making out with girl in bar. she says "i'm pos". guy hears "io	[22:29]
nubbins`	"i'm pause" and rails her	[22:29]
benkay	robwhiz22: why not publish your letter to polimedia here?	[22:30]
nubbins`	but then he can't get paid	[22:31]
benkay	why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?	[22:31]
nubbins`	no, if he blows his wad here for free, he can	[22:31]
nubbins`	't sell it	[22:31]
benkay	he sent polimedia a thing tho, right?	[22:32]
nubbins`	having major problems with the placement of my return key here today	[22:32]
nubbins`	afaik he sent a coles notes version without any details	[22:32]
nubbins`	"click here to subscribe and keep reading" sorta thing	[22:32]
robwhiz22	nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that. I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.	[22:33]
benkay	i want the notes!	[22:33]
nubbins`	robwhiz22: so what are you trying to sell?	[22:33]
robwhiz22	benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them. For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.	[22:33]
punkman	such cocktease	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/453978433098633216	[22:33]
ozbot	Twitter / LangoschMLB: Well, if you don't like what ...	[22:33]
robwhiz22	if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.	[22:34]
nubbins`	so you're selling... editing services?	[22:34]
robwhiz22	nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to. I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.	[22:34]
benkay	mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?	[22:34]
BingoBoingo	robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC	[22:34]
kakobrekla	ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead	[22:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0355 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}	[22:35]
fluffypony	I'll pay double but in FluffyCoin	[22:35]
robwhiz22	BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction. It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so. (If it wants to.)	[22:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05521002 = 0.5521 BTC [-] {3}	[22:36]
robwhiz22	Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly. THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	Hmmm... mircea_popescu has been quite. I sense a Trilema coming	[22:36]
robwhiz22	He could be reading the emails.	[22:36]
robwhiz22	As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.	[22:37]
robwhiz22	Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly. (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)	[22:37]
*	nubbins` groans	[22:37]
kakobrekla	whats this about anyway	[22:37]
benkay	his sides!	[22:37]
robwhiz22	I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.	[22:38]
nubbins`	kakobrekla, nobody fucking knows	[22:38]
kakobrekla	do we get to see buttcoin or not	[22:38]
nubbins`	the riddler here won't tell us	[22:38]
BingoBoingo	Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin	[22:39]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: I just made one in paint, will that do?	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: No, a sharpie is required	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen	[22:39]
fluffypony	lol	[22:39]
fluffypony	we don't get Sharpies here	[22:39]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.	[22:40]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: wink	[22:40]
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BingoBoingo	;;google Trilema buttcoins nao	[22:41]
gribble	They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[22:41]
fluffypony	yeah that was mentioned earlier today	[22:42]
fluffypony	I've had enough scarring for one evening	[22:42]
nubbins`	you don't get sharpies?	[22:42]
fluffypony	scaring?	[22:42]
kakobrekla	use the fake wife?	[22:42]
nubbins`	where do you live, the moon? :(	[22:42]
fluffypony	nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.	[22:43]
nubbins`	what country?	[22:43]
robwhiz22	I have another commitment. mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals. Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.	[22:43]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: index finger or ring finger?	[22:43]
fluffypony	nubbins`: oh sorry, South Africa	[22:43]
nubbins`	ah	[22:43]
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kakobrekla	what do you mean 'or' ?	[22:43]
nubbins`	wat se!	[22:43]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: and/or?	[22:43]
kakobrekla	i guess and would fit.	[22:43]
BingoBoingo	http://www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-laundry-319-lm-permanent-laundry-marker/	[22:44]
fluffypony	nubbins`: ek se niks;)	[22:44]
nubbins`	:D	[22:44]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!	[22:45]
fluffypony	well the short form anyway	[22:45]
fluffypony	it's like its fate	[22:45]
fluffypony	<3	[22:45]
kakobrekla	your name is Laundry ?	[22:45]
nubbins`	^	[22:45]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: Laundryopolous, actually	[22:46]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: we just need to work out a message for you to write, so we know it is really you nao	[22:46]
kakobrekla	thats not a name.	[22:46]
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fluffypony	kakobrekla: you caught me	[22:47]
kakobrekla	apparent as garr.	[22:47]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU	[22:48]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:48]
fluffypony	Ƀ1.4893	[22:50]
fluffypony	eugh	[22:50]
fluffypony	http://bitcoinsymbol.org <- they need to stfu	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	Garr:	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg	[22:51]
kakobrekla	myea, hard to hide	[22:53]
BingoBoingo	Garr is one ugly fish	[22:53]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Pages/SOUL_ReadTeach.html	[22:58]
ozbot	Readings & Teachings	[22:58]
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BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496	[23:02]
ozbot	The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick	[23:02]
pLambert	which is better, python or lisp?	[23:04]
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BingoBoingo	Depends on what you are doing	[23:06]
Naphex	java?	[23:07]
Naphex	;o	[23:07]
fluffypony	pLambert: php all the way, this guy confirms: https://twitter.com/php_ceo/	[23:07]
daybyter	java!	[23:08]
pLambert	fluffypony: why does he use ALL CAPS?	[23:08]
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fluffypony	pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!	[23:09]
fluffypony	I'm sure this one hit hard: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/441222994296180736	[23:09]
Naphex	probably the fake php ceo	[23:09]
Naphex	real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes	[23:09]
fluffypony	hah hah	[23:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1049 @ 0.00011721 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	And B=======D	[23:10]
Naphex	they should've used that as a namespace separator	[23:10]
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Shakespeare	this is kinda funny	[23:12]
Shakespeare	http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-money-supply-lags-guatemalan-quetzal-UI5wDhT7RfqlWkKMRGTp2A.html	[23:12]
ozbot	Bitcoin Money Supply Lags Guatemalan Quetzal: Video - Bloomberg	[23:12]
kakobrekla	http://i.imgur.com/WRP5DsD.gif	[23:13]
benkay	whassat Shakespeare ?	[23:13]
Shakespeare	idiots showing data as if it matters	[23:14]
Shakespeare	and then derping	[23:14]
Shakespeare	shows USD supply as big boner and bitcoin as laughable	[23:14]
Shakespeare	it's only a couple mins	[23:14]
benkay	i guess cuz increase in monetary supply is good	[23:15]
benkay	asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?	[23:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1094 @ 0.00011624 = 0.1272 BTC [-] {2}	[23:16]
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Naphex	benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life	[23:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00011605 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2}	[23:18]
jurov	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 will be interesting how this sorts out	[23:18]
ozbot	994033 – Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised	[23:18]
kakobrekla	look jurov your friends	[23:19]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563793.0	[23:19]
ozbot	New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB"	[23:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011596 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {3}	[23:20]
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jurov	;;later tell davout "We are searching for someone to help us lodge a complaint with AMF, can you recommend anyone? This bourse stuff is completely lame but he's too persistent."	[23:22]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:22]
daybyter	Naphex: you do java?	[23:22]
Apocalyptic	jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement	[23:24]
jurov	i know but it's better to competently translate it to french	[23:24]
Apocalyptic	and on the scrolldown chose "Présomption d'offre irrégulière de produits ou de services financiers"	[23:25]
Naphex	daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need	[23:25]
Naphex	but for serious stuff i usually prefer java	[23:25]
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daybyter	me too!	[23:25]
Naphex	throw in some C optimizations if things are slow	[23:25]
daybyter	I write trade stuff in java...	[23:25]
Apocalyptic	java...	[23:25]
benkay	ofc a java guy sez to abandon haskell for real world stuff	[23:26]
Apocalyptic	hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05689 = 0.512 BTC [+]	[23:27]
daybyter	https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib	[23:27]
MisterE	http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/04/edward-snowden-interview	[23:27]
ozbot	Snowden Speaks: A Vanity Fair Exclusive \| Vanity Fair	[23:27]
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jurov	Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones	[23:28]
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Apocalyptic	jurov, that's weird	[23:29]
Diablo-D3	Apocalyptic: almost all of them dont change the date on the new ones	[23:29]
Apocalyptic	i assumed they would indeed update the date	[23:29]
Diablo-D3	why would they do something that makes sense	[23:30]
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nubbins`	kako dat gif	[23:30]
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nubbins`	" In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache” in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”"	[23:35]
nubbins`	lel, +1	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056 = 0.112 BTC [-]	[23:38]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiArBwMnTA	[23:42]
ozbot	The Birthday Party - King Ink Live LIVE - YouTube	[23:42]
jurov	http://pastebin.com/mAxugvj9 wooow that was quick	[23:45]
ozbot	Dear Jurov, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com now you talk about complaint on - Pastebin.com	[23:45]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting	[23:45]
thestringpuller	i know it won't make it to the conference	[23:45]
thestringpuller	but better late than never eh?	[23:46]
thestringpuller	;D	[23:46]
nubbins`	heh	[23:46]
nubbins`	indeed it is!	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Does the dude do anything other than stalk you and make scams?	[23:47]
nubbins`	;;ticker --last	[23:47]
gribble	442.06	[23:47]
nubbins`	;;calc 400/[ticker --last]	[23:48]
gribble	0.904854544632	[23:48]
nubbins`	^ :)	[23:48]
jurov	if he stalked me he'd perhaps know i have no gold&silver company	[23:48]
mike_c	amf = sec?	[23:48]
jurov	yes	[23:48]
pankkake	"your shares will be frozen" now, that is actual blackmail	[23:48]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Never suggested he was effectual in it	[23:48]
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jurov	yes, that will definitely go into the complaint	[23:49]
jurov	and the shares were almost completely useless since the beginning	[23:49]
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jurov	but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it	[23:50]
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jurov	"i will inform all shareholders about your doings."	[23:53]
kakobrekla	can we get the same message again, but this time without the shuffle() ?	[23:53]
jurov	lol the more i reread it the funnier it is	[23:53]
nubbins`	about your dongs	[23:53]
jurov	what is shuffled?	[23:53]
kakobrekla	nevermind, its a metajoke	[23:54]
fluffypony	right, bed time	[23:54]
fluffypony	night all	[23:54]
kakobrekla	but i feels good knowing at least someone is reading ze logs	[23:54]
kakobrekla	hi markus!	[23:54]
Apocalyptic	"money laundering like you do with gold &	[23:56]
Apocalyptic	silver company will bring you to prison!" dafuq	[23:56]
Apocalyptic	you're selling precious metals jurov ?	[23:56]
jurov	no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)	[23:57]
jurov	but dunno if he actually sells metals, either	[23:57]
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Apocalyptic	guy seems to be butthurt and scared pretty bad to write such a piece	[23:58]
jurov	he definitely is	[23:58]

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