Forum logs for 08 Oct 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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thickasthieves	Warren Buffett on 2016: ‘Hillary Is Going to Win’	[00:01]
thickasthieves	“I will bet money on it. I don’t do that easily.”	[00:01]
thickasthieves	he only bets on sure things	[00:01]
thickasthieves	i wonder if hillary is part of BRK-A assets	[00:01]
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thickasthieves	https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/canadian-bitcoin-exchange-cavirtex-allowing-btc-withdrawals/	[00:14]
thickasthieves	sry for linking ccn	[00:16]
thickasthieves	here: http://newsbtc.com/2014/10/07/cavirtex-bitcoin-withdrawals-disabled-since-monday/	[00:16]
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dub	man wartard is my shit	[00:30]
thestringpuller	what is dat?	[00:30]
dub	wartard.blogspot.com	[00:31]
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dub	So the question must be why are we wasting our time with this shit? Should we not be directing our attention to a moon base, a human Mars landing and colonizing the galaxy?	[00:31]
dub	i've been saying this for so long	[00:31]
dub	we as a species, do not deserve to survive	[00:31]
dub	darwin will beat us	[00:32]
thickasthieves	because gov got lost along the way and grew this whole military tumor	[00:33]
thickasthieves	so bad that itd die to cut it off	[00:33]
bounce	http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1957232/	[00:33]
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bounce	oh, that excempt? oh well. former DoD chief expects "30 year war". well... only took 13 years to catch on, eh?	[00:34]
mats_cd03	i doubt any policymakers actually belieb we'll win this one	[00:35]
mats_cd03	ya need infantrymen to fight an insurgency	[00:36]
bounce	which is curious since why the fsck would you then start one?	[00:36]
dub	ignoring all of our social problems, there are glaring technical issues we absolutely must solve to maintain our habitat	[00:37]
mats_cd03	perhaps some persons deliberately set up the us to fail	[00:38]
mats_cd03	thats believable imo	[00:38]
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thickasthieves	yknow thats a good point, itd be pretty cheap to incite billions of wasted USD as a goal	[00:38]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[00:39]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 330.15, Best ask: 331.63, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 330.15, 24 hour volume: 23164.74382975, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 326.86093309	[00:39]
thickasthieves	oil repaid in napalm	[00:39]
mats_cd03	lotsa govt employees ive known over the years are ideologically positioned against the USG as it is today	[00:39]
thickasthieves	must be stressful	[00:40]
mats_cd03	not hard to believe they'd destroy it given the chance... e.g. ron swanson	[00:40]
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thestringpuller	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/press-releases/press-release-october-7-2014-bitcoin-foundation-financial-standards-working-group-leads-the-way-for-mainstream-bitcoin-adoption-2/ << Why?!?!?!?	[00:42]
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mats_cd03	i loled at the thought obama is a turncoat secretly plotting the downfall of the govt with bad policy	[00:43]
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mats_cd03	chortled even.	[00:46]
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dignork	thestringpuller: "it does not fit in existing systems and software for accounting practices" - somebody told them about uint64_t?	[01:10]
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mats_cd03	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/07/1957226/doj-law-enforcement-can-impersonate-people-on-facebook << time to stop visiting slashdot, they're now linking to ... buzzfeed	[01:18]
thestringpuller	Is that a real story though?	[01:20]
thestringpuller	the headline	[01:20]
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mats_cd03	dunno, nymag has it http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/dea-is-catfishing-drug-dealers-on-facebook.html	[01:21]
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thestringpuller	better than buzzfeed I suppose	[01:22]
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mats_cd03	the details of what the LEO did are pretty egregious	[01:27]
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kakobrekla	hey, how do I use this #bitcoin-assets channel? assbot is down < heh	[01:30]
kakobrekla	down for a minute and i get complaints.	[01:30]
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mthreat	kakobrekla: a good sign	[01:33]
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mthreat	kakobrekla: no one complains about useless software	[01:34]
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kakobrekla	mebbe	[01:35]
kakobrekla	unless forced to use it	[01:35]
penguirker	New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/cavirtex-technical-issue/	[01:37]
thickasthieves	oh man i just made another great typo, discussing how the bearwhale was actually the 'givernment'	[01:38]
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nubbins`	<+thickasthieves> dogecagon ,,google bobcaygeon	[01:49]
nubbins`	,,fail ;(	[01:49]
nubbins`	;;google bobcaygeon	[01:49]
gribble	Bobcaygeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Tragically Hip - Bobcaygeon - YouTube: ; Bobcaygeon & Area Chamber of Commerce:	[01:49]
mats_cd03	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaB3Zw5_p9c assange seems to get it	[01:50]
assbot	Julian Assange: Bitcoin is Much More Than Just a Currency - YouTube	[01:50]
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Daniel_Krawisz	;;rate bitstein 10	[02:03]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user bitstein has been recorded.	[02:03]
Daniel_Krawisz	Wups, wrong tab.	[02:03]
thickasthieves	we dont mind in channel ratings	[02:05]
nubbins`	10!	[02:05]
thickasthieves	10 would have sex again	[02:05]
nubbins`	10+++	[02:05]
kakobrekla	i wouldnt give 10 to my mother	[02:05]
nubbins`	;;rated nanotube	[02:06]
gribble	You rated user nanotube on Tue Aug 12 18:41:45 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: If you don't trust nano....	[02:06]
kakobrekla	maybe a 7 or an 8.	[02:06]
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kakobrekla	highest i have given is 8	[02:07]
thickasthieves	would you give 10 to yourself?	[02:07]
Daniel_Krawisz	Ok, well it's reciprocal altruism.	[02:07]
nubbins`	thickasthieves -1 not sure if trust	[02:08]
kakobrekla	thickasthieves dunno im biased	[02:08]
thickasthieves	dpnt be so hard on urself	[02:08]
nubbins`	highest otherwise i've given is 2	[02:08]
nubbins`	i mean, come on	[02:08]
kakobrekla	the '8' is 'know him in real life for 10years+'	[02:08]
Daniel_Krawisz	oh ok. Well I guess we've been using a different convention.	[02:09]
kakobrekla	Daniel_Krawisz feel free to rate 11 if you wanna	[02:09]
kakobrekla	we just talking.	[02:09]
nubbins`	i know plenty of people 10y+ that i don't trust	[02:09]
nubbins`	even the nano rating is a lel, but it's true as well	[02:09]
kakobrekla	nubbins` yeah but time is a nonescapable condition	[02:10]
Daniel_Krawisz	Thanks, I downgraded him to 8.	[02:10]
bitstein	We are still trying to learn the best rating scales for our purposes. Perhaps a 10 is too high, but we want to signal a strong bond between board members of SNI. Moving to an 8.	[02:11]
Daniel_Krawisz	We're actually conjoined twins.	[02:12]
Daniel_Krawisz	So that's a literal strong bond.	[02:12]
kakobrekla	where does it say all members of your thing should have equal ratings to eachother and why	[02:12]
thickasthieves	you dont want to 'signal' anything	[02:13]
thickasthieves	it's ok to trust one board member more than another	[02:14]
Daniel_Krawisz	Well if I'm not supposed to signal anything, then I'll just give everybody random numbers as ratings.	[02:14]
thickasthieves	it helps YOU too to realize and enact this	[02:14]
kakobrekla	for example, i rated mp 3 and he rated me 5, yet we are equal partner in bitbet.	[02:15]
kakobrekla	i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading.	[02:15]
thickasthieves	lol	[02:15]
Daniel_Krawisz	Haha	[02:16]
bitstein	Okay, well as I clearly said, we are still learning. Our ratings will adjust over time. I actually probably need to give Daniel a complex number. A 7i + 6.	[02:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074326 = 3.0474 BTC [-]	[02:18]
thickasthieves	bitstein, we dont actually know whats best, we just talk like it	[02:18]
Daniel_Krawisz	It's a good way to establish a dominance hierarchy.	[02:21]
bitstein	Word. I’d definitely be interested to learn how different people have thought through their ratings scale, though.	[02:21]
danielpbarron	i think of it as an exponential thing -- not sure what the base is	[02:22]
thickasthieves	;;market sell 5000	[02:23]
gribble	Bitstamp \| A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1575560.1919 USD and would take the last price down to 297.7100 USD, resulting in an average price of 315.1120 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0388 seconds	[02:23]
thickasthieves	stampers arent out of money yet	[02:24]
bitstein	danielpbarron: This. This is the base. http://youtu.be/eyPZFi2b380?t=3m16s	[02:26]
assbot	Josey Wales "Nothing Extra" - YouTube	[02:26]
bitstein	^ That is how I view the WoT.	[02:26]
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mats_cd03	https://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-collins-child-molestation-7th-heaven-audio-tape-nypd-investigation	[02:29]
assbot	'7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating \| TMZ.com	[02:29]
Daniel_Krawisz	Gang's all here now.	[02:32]
mats_cd03	what of Mr. Wilson?	[02:36]
Daniel_Krawisz	We broke his window with a baseball.	[02:36]
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mats_cd03	guess you'll have to call tim the tool man	[02:37]
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Daniel_Krawisz	So I'm curious as to why mercea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here?	[02:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25508 @ 0.0007459 = 19.0264 BTC [+] {2}	[02:40]
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thickasthieves	;;ticker	[02:42]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 332.93, Best ask: 333.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 332.92, 24 hour volume: 22642.94964933, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 326.71802822	[02:42]
thickasthieves	rise!	[02:43]
Daniel_Krawisz	So I'm curious as to why mircea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here? (sorry, I suck at spelling)	[02:43]
danielpbarron	Daniel_Krawisz, bigger blocks, fewer full nodes, less decentralizedness	[02:44]
thickasthieves	it's ever-increasing, increased the burden on nodes, and places pressure on the one leg of bitcoin that isnt properly compensated	[02:44]
Daniel_Krawisz	Oh, ok. Yeah, something needs to be done about that but I think it's a solvable problem.	[02:44]
thickasthieves	i'm having no part in a fork tho	[02:45]
thickasthieves	we built this city on rock n roll	[02:45]
Daniel_Krawisz	Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess.	[02:46]
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thestringpuller	;;gettrust Daniel_Krawisz	[02:46]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Daniel_Krawisz \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz \| Rated since: never	[02:46]
Daniel_Krawisz	I logged in with the wrong name accidentally. It should be DanielKrawisz	[02:47]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust DanielKrawisz	[02:47]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Daniel_Krawisz!~dragonfly@50.97.94.39-static.reverse.softlayer.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DanielKrawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=DanielKrawisz \| WoT data: (1 more message)	[02:47]
danielpbarron	Daniel_Krawisz, type /nick DanielKrawisz	[02:48]
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DanielKrawisz	Thanks.	[02:48]
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mike_c	i bought a 4tb hdd for $190 the other day.	[02:49]
mats_cd03	!s rubber hose cryptanalysis	[02:50]
assbot	3 results for 'rubber hose cryptanalysis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rubber+hose+cryptanalysis	[02:50]
danielpbarron	as to the conversation regarding BTC or XBC, a suitable symbol is '$' because, screw the dollar	[02:50]
Pierre_Rochard	;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 excellent writer who can’t spell - SNI compadre	[02:51]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.	[02:51]
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Pierre_Rochard	;;rate bitstein 5 knows how to code, has a nose for scammers - SNI compadre	[02:52]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user bitstein has changed from 10 to 5.	[02:52]
DanielKrawisz	Wow, major downgrade.	[02:53]
bitstein	I’m half the man I used to be.	[02:53]
napedia	;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 Altcoin Hitler	[02:53]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.	[02:53]
danielpbarron	;;rate Pierre_Rochard 1 https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard	[02:54]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Pierre_Rochard has been recorded.	[02:54]
assbot	Pierre Rochard (@Pierre_Rochard) \| Twitter	[02:54]
Pierre_Rochard	DanielKrawisz: I lost trust in humanity as a whole, it’s nothing personal	[02:54]
bitstein	Pierre_Rochard is the David Seaman of SNI.	[02:54]
Pierre_Rochard	;;rate danielpbarron 1 I know my tweets are good when he favorites them https://twitter.com/danielpbarron	[02:55]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.	[02:55]
assbot	Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) \| Twitter	[02:55]
danielpbarron	<3	[02:57]
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bitstein	;;rate danielpbarron 1 encourages my self-flagellation https://twitter.com/danielpbarron	[02:58]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.	[02:58]
assbot	Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) \| Twitter	[02:58]
penguirker	New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/	[02:58]
kakobrekla	!s sni	[03:00]
assbot	7 results for 'sni' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sni	[03:00]
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thickasthieves	excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses?	[03:01]
bitstein	kakobrekla: this is a better search - http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nakamoto+institute	[03:01]
assbot	23 results for 'nakamoto institute' - #bitcoin-assets search	[03:01]
thickasthieves	like send 1000sat and your tx will get relayed	[03:01]
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thickasthieves	even better, send one ATC	[03:02]
thickasthieves	nodecoin	[03:02]
thickasthieves	i dunno	[03:02]
danielpbarron	thickasthieves, i had that idea too	[03:04]
danielpbarron	simple html form with a text blob and submit button	[03:04]
danielpbarron	paste raw tx hex	[03:04]
thickasthieves	i kinda wonder if this might be an actual use for an altcoin though	[03:04]
thickasthieves	that way there is a symbiosis	[03:04]
danielpbarron	if no node fee, tx is ignored	[03:05]
thickasthieves	you could even charge by the size	[03:05]
DanielKrawisz	Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.	[03:06]
thickasthieves	but you dont need to fork bitcoin or whatever to do it	[03:06]
thickasthieves	just do it	[03:06]
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Pierre_Rochard	;;rate napedia 5 I know where he lives. A right and honorable denizen of the net	[03:13]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user napedia has been recorded.	[03:13]
danielpbarron	this is like a gpg key signing party, only it's not pointless	[03:19]
bitstein	;;rate napedia 5 ATX BTC Meetup - Very privileged	[03:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user napedia has changed from 6 to 5.	[03:20]
bitstein	;;rate pierre_rochard 5 Crypto-Seneca of SNI	[03:21]
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bitstein	;;rate danielkrawisz 5 Maharishi of SNI	[03:27]
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danielpbarron	now you gone lost yer voice	[03:31]
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asciilifeform	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/01/why-hasnt-the-u-s-closed-its-airports-to-travelers-from-ebola-ravaged-countries << mega-lol. nato world tired of living?	[03:52]
assbot	Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries? - The Washington Post	[03:52]
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decimation	asciilifeform: it's more important to cater to democrat votebanks than to protect the general population from ebola	[04:29]
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decimation	dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << quote from gigantic comment thread in the red/blue post: "You shouldn’t be worried more people of the Red Tribe will start voting for Republicans, Republicans are your best friends, they pacify the Red Tribe. You should be worried when they stop voting Republican and your civil society fractures."	[04:33]
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decimation	http://flowingdata.com/2014/02/05/where-people-run/ << wow, no one jogs through anacostia, I'm shocked	[04:48]
assbot	Where People Run in Major Cities	[04:48]
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decimation	in 1918 usg policy was to stop border transit in case of disease: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/disaster-in-the-south-pacific/	[04:49]
assbot	Disaster in the South Pacific « Isegoria	[04:49]
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mats_cd03	public health policy in the us is good enough to handle ebola	[04:52]
decimation	ebola is ok for you	[04:53]
mats_cd03	id live	[04:54]
mats_cd03	sounds like excellent population control	[04:54]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: in exactly the same way amputation is good weight control	[04:55]
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asciilifeform	'lose weight, shed limbs!' < how i always read the spam slogan 'lose weight, shed lbs'	[04:55]
TheNewDeal	I don't want to lose that much!	[04:56]
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mats_cd03	well its not like youll get america to eat salad instead of burgers	[05:00]
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TheNewDeal	Speaking of which, I was eating a salad in front of a colleague, and he decided to be healthy he was going to not eat the bun on his burger	[05:01]
TheNewDeal	I consider that a decent step forward	[05:01]
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TheNewDeal	but then again the salads at most places in the US aren't even healthy themselves. Covered with cheese, think mayo based "dressing," and a bunch of crutons	[05:06]
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mats_cd03	call me when you get him to trade the patty for gluten	[05:21]
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asciilifeform	mr. ebama - spreading obola.	[05:26]
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dub	decimation: I don't really consider teh US as having a political system	[05:28]
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decimation	dub: at best it is a one party system	[05:30]
dub	you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd	[05:30]
decimation	Mr. Hand also guides the opposition into safe pasture	[05:31]
dub	liberal and conservate don't mean anything more than libertarian does	[05:31]
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TheNewDeal	they're somewhat descriptive filters, especially when considering usian politics	[05:32]
TheNewDeal	not ideal, but they at least serve some purpose	[05:32]
decimation	those words are quite meaningful and apply broadly	[05:32]
decimation	it's just that the parties to which those labels are applied rarely act in any other way than the status quo	[05:33]
TheNewDeal	I do agree with the US being a one party though	[05:33]
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decimation	lol	[05:33]
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TheNewDeal	nice	[05:34]
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asciilifeform	eth3 << lol!	[05:37]
decimation	actually the democrats/republicans are quite distinguishable and serve different purposes	[05:38]
dub	has your air gap failed?	[05:38]
decimation	democrats attempt to get more free stuff from productive people to their interested constituencies	[05:39]
asciilifeform	incidentally, that crap gets magicked away when you zap 'udev' (actually, the name - under modern gentoo - now refers to a satanic udev-systemd - and replace with 'eudev'.	[05:39]
asciilifeform	(at least on the box in question)	[05:39]
TheNewDeal	decimation , many conservatives do this as well	[05:39]
decimation	republicans quell dissent by speaking against further handouts in public and in private slowrolling/diverting handouts to their own feeble interests	[05:39]
decimation	asciilifeform: I was going to make this point yesterday: you drive a stake in the heart of systemd because you prefer... bash?	[05:41]
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asciilifeform	prefer bash ?	[05:41]
decimation	classic init	[05:42]
asciilifeform	i prefer a goose feather pen and ink from tree bark - if that is the only way to be rid of poettering.	[05:42]
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decimation	my point being that bash's shaky foundation has recently been revealed	[05:43]
decimation	that being said, I agree that init.d has way more miles than whatever craziness poettering is pushing	[05:43]
decimation	in either case, modern computing sucks	[05:43]
dub	ah yes, udev was the thing	[05:44]
asciilifeform	'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' (ru. saying.)	[05:44]
decimation	hehe	[05:44]
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decimation	so eudev restores the sane default of eth#	[05:45]
asciilifeform	actually atm not 100% sure if it's eudev, or patch to config of original (satanic) variant	[05:45]
asciilifeform	anyone who gives a damn, invited to test the question.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	(anyone other than me?...)	[05:46]
dub	bit me hard back when rolling my own routers made sense, suddenly no way to predict which if was what on boot	[05:46]
decimation	googling around, I find many bewildered sysadmins who care	[05:46]
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dub	!up jayk	[05:46]
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dub	someone?	[05:47]
decimation	as I wrote yesterday, one can always write a script to explore /sys/ if one wishes to understand how their devices are laid out	[05:47]
asciilifeform	dub: rolling own routers makes sense now. and even more sense yesterday.	[05:47]
decimation	I remember running a nat on my old 486 with slackware	[05:48]
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kakobrekla	!up jayk ?	[05:49]
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decimation	princessnell: how goes the blogging these days?	[05:52]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu a modern u.s. schoolboy may or may not get references like 'tammany bees' - sure.	[06:03]
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mircea_popescu	more to it than that asciilifeform :D	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	!up jayk	[06:31]
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jayk	ty	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints. << depending on the recipient's age, going down for one minute may be all it takes.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother << you don't know her like we do :D	[06:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell Daniel_Krawisz http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer’s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."	[06:45]
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assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess. <<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses? << zipf problem.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533 << gotta appreciate usgavin's dedication	[06:55]
assbot	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	he's almost ninjashogun level, the way he goes everywhere, trying a pass or two of the same spun content.	[06:55]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living? << from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	naturally.	[07:01]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward << lol gotta work	[07:02]
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mircea_popescu	dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd << emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	ahh all caught up. it's a nioce feeling	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	!up nara__narayana	[07:06]
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nara__narayana	well hello	[07:20]
nara__narayana	http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html#	[07:20]
assbot	Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' - NaturalNews.com	[07:20]
nara__narayana	you guys seen this yet?	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	nope	[07:21]
nara__narayana	kewl	[07:21]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOK5pon8-Ok << no eng. subs for the inglischers unfortunately. but still educational.	[07:23]
assbot	. . - YouTube	[07:23]
asciilifeform	(storm of donetsk airport)	[07:24]
nara__narayana	key flux point	[07:25]
nara__narayana	just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied	[07:26]
nara__narayana	so that's pretty chill	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	doh	[07:28]
mircea_popescu	proxy wars to the death, over there.	[07:28]
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nara__narayana	mhm	[07:29]
PeterL	asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?	[07:29]
asciilifeform	interesting that everyone pictured is firing semi-auto	[07:29]
asciilifeform	PeterL: ru	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "allegedly" :p	[07:30]
PeterL	Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	]This video may be inappropriate for some users.	[07:30]
asciilifeform	a number are wearing soviet-era regalia/medals (grandfather's ?)	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[07:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that	[07:31]
asciilifeform	traded widely among - everybody	[07:31]
*	asciilifeform played with big tub of these as a boy	[07:31]
mircea_popescu	i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint	[07:32]
mircea_popescu	cared*	[07:32]
asciilifeform	lol!	[07:32]
asciilifeform	point was made ?	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	"see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."	[07:33]
nara__narayana	yes	[07:33]
mircea_popescu	nara__narayana so who're you anyway ?	[07:34]
nara__narayana	myself	[07:35]
nara__narayana	just roaming around america atm	[07:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card	[07:36]
nara__narayana	crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god	[07:36]
asciilifeform	ocxo?	[07:36]
decimation	the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100	[07:37]
asciilifeform	aha	[07:37]
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decimation	!up nara__narayana	[07:37]
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nara__narayana	who's seeing the blood moon?	[07:38]
asciilifeform	16:40 mark - fellow explains why ropes on stiff's feet (own side) - tied, to pull him a bit from a distance, see if 'surprise underneath'	[07:40]
asciilifeform	(ancient favourite trick, if anyone didn't know it)	[07:41]
asciilifeform	incidentally	[07:41]
asciilifeform	i kept wondering, for months, when 'hot' machines from Pripyat will turn up	[07:41]
asciilifeform	word is - this has happened.	[07:41]
asciilifeform	('graveyard' was full of perfectly good mothballed tech)	[07:42]
nara__narayana	what will be gotten from said tech?	[07:42]
asciilifeform	perfectly good machines - tanks, trucks, etc	[07:43]
asciilifeform	just a little bit of reactor crud in them.	[07:43]
asciilifeform	circa '86.	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they're not that hot anymore anyway	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	been what, 20 years.	[07:44]
asciilifeform	inside.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	30 even	[07:44]
nara__narayana	antifragile radiation bruh	[07:45]
nara__narayana	who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?	[07:45]
decimation	eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout	[07:45]
decimation	just wash it down well, you're good	[07:46]
decimation	people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	decimation 30 years' rains, bout done by now.	[07:46]
danielpbarron	davout dbolser deadalus decimation deedBot Diablo-D3 diametric diana_coman dignork DoctorBTC donpillou dooglus drawingthesun dub Duffer1 dxrt	[07:46]
danielpbarron	davout dbolser deadalus decimation deedBot Diablo-D3 diametric diana_coman dignork DoctorBTC donpillou dooglus drawingthesun dub Duffer1 dxrt	[07:46]
mircea_popescu	!up deadalus	[07:46]
-assbot-	You voiced deadalus for 30 minutes.	[07:46]
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asciilifeform	doesn't rain inside the box	[07:46]
decimation	yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it	[07:46]
decimation	apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard	[07:47]
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decimation	!up mpmcsweeney	[07:48]
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mircea_popescu	how goes.	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	decimation iodine was most of the fallout	[07:49]
mircea_popescu	actual plutonium is quite rarely a contaminant	[07:50]
nara__narayana	lol apparentyl im not kidding http://mic.com/articles/88483/something-surprising-happened-to-the-animals-around-chernobyl-28-years-after-the-disaster	[07:50]
assbot	Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic	[07:50]
decimation	yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system	[07:50]
decimation	pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.	[07:52]
decimation	the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	there's probably stuff all the way to 230 in there.	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	course it doesnt live long	[07:52]
decimation	that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety	[07:52]
asciilifeform	washes away.	[07:52]
decimation	heh yeah that too	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	yeah, more wash than decay really.	[07:53]
asciilifeform	not 'too' - mostly.	[07:53]
decimation	I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term	[07:53]
asciilifeform	the ~30yr. half lives of sr-90 and cs-137 are just that	[07:53]
asciilifeform	half-lives.	[07:53]
asciilifeform	not one-$maxint-th lives.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.	[07:53]
decimation	indeed.	[07:54]
decimation	but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers	[07:54]
asciilifeform	more interesting than the birds and wolves - are the very old women (mostly women) who still live there.	[07:55]
nara__narayana	marrow?	[07:55]
asciilifeform	there's something like a few dozen left.	[07:55]
decimation	I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too	[07:56]
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PeterL	their breeding the X-men in there!	[07:56]
PeterL	they're	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?	[07:56]
asciilifeform	afaik proven cribbed.	[07:57]
nara__narayana	http://thebabushkasofchernobyl.com/ \ lolll omg	[07:57]
assbot	The Babushkas of Chernobyl \| A story of three unlikely heroines from the most toxic place on Earth	[07:57]
asciilifeform	(from other folks)	[07:57]
decimation	lol 'most toxic place on earth'	[07:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074399 = 3.3108 BTC [+]	[07:57]
decimation	I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure	[07:57]
asciilifeform	if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.	[07:58]
decimation	one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion	[07:59]
asciilifeform	lol	[08:00]
asciilifeform	they survived in a little nature preserve - there.	[08:00]
asciilifeform	go and say hello to them.	[08:00]
nara__narayana	oh they certainly did	[08:00]
decimation	hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?	[08:00]
asciilifeform	nope	[08:00]
asciilifeform	or rather, yes	[08:00]
asciilifeform	though they don't call themselves that	[08:00]
asciilifeform	(they are in the process of adopting english as an official language. so, go ask them what they're called.)	[08:01]
nara__narayana	what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?	[08:01]
decimation	I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'	[08:01]
asciilifeform	lol	[08:01]
asciilifeform	afaik those are dead, like dodo.	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't have been in any sense europe.	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.	[08:02]
nara__narayana	lol	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us	[08:02]
decimation	that is an even more interesting thought.	[08:02]
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nara__narayana	my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania	[08:03]
asciilifeform	stuck?	[08:03]
decimation	yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage	[08:03]
asciilifeform	they're chained to walls, or what ?	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes.	[08:04]
decimation	they were sat upon stakes	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...	[08:04]
nara__narayana	idk, hungary in particular has a unique culture	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	you know how it is.	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)	[08:05]
asciilifeform	depends on what's a suicide and where europe is.	[08:05]
nara__narayana	geopolitical boundaries, asci	[08:05]
decimation	probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	decimation doesn't seem to affect the scots	[08:05]
asciilifeform	i.e. does death by no, fi, ru - rotgut - count as a suicide?	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah actually, > russia.	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	hahaha no.	[08:05]
decimation	their culture died in 1745	[08:06]
nara__narayana	mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	well maybe not that funny	[08:06]
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decimation	!up nara__narayana	[08:08]
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nara__narayana	genes are powerful i supose	[08:08]
decimation	when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	you know i tend to think the exact same ?	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people	[08:09]
asciilifeform	as if it were otherwise in old-time usa	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	wtf.	[08:09]
asciilifeform	(even when the colours match)	[08:09]
decimation	yeah I got the same feeling in boston	[08:09]
dub	who is curernt holder of teh title?	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	which	[08:10]
*	asciilifeform vaguely recalls turnbull having claimed that the Ik are in fact ancient egyptians. or was this in a bad dream ?	[08:11]
dub	most likely to succeed, at suicide	[08:11]
nara__narayana	the nose knows	[08:11]
asciilifeform	(genealogically)	[08:11]
decimation	it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government	[08:11]
nara__narayana	care to elaborate why?	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	uh	[08:12]
decimation	although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss	[08:12]
mircea_popescu	yea srsly, how you figued ?	[08:12]
asciilifeform	'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'	[08:12]
nara__narayana	swiss lol	[08:12]
nara__narayana	jk those bankers fucking got it made	[08:13]
decimation	nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?	[08:14]
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decimation	this is mainly why I classify it as slightly different http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18649156	[08:15]
assbot	BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers	[08:15]
nara__narayana	i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical	[08:16]
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nara__narayana	but whatev, what do i know?	[08:17]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2014#857910	[08:17]
assbot	Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop	[08:17]
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nara__narayana	kk thanks	[08:19]
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decimation	http://sprottmoneyblog.com/switzerland-to-take-back-its-gold/	[08:23]
assbot	Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? \| Sprott Money Blog	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from trilema as if this were somehow a matter of course	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	wtf is wrong with people.	[08:26]
PeterL	they think you are hurting their feelings?	[08:27]
Duffer1	delete?	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	sooooo....	[08:27]
nara__narayana	i <3 censorship	[08:27]
nara__narayana	http://online.wsj.com/articles/swiss-national-bank-reaffirms-currency-floor-maintains-rate-1411027953	[08:27]
assbot	Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do	[08:28]
mircea_popescu	fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore	[08:28]
nara__narayana	bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason	[08:28]
nara__narayana	liquidity concerns?	[08:28]
nara__narayana	plebeians gonna pleb	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	"o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o	[08:31]
decimation	as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway	[08:34]
nara__narayana	status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer	[08:34]
nara__narayana	*now	[08:34]
nara__narayana	i guess it always has been	[08:34]
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nara__narayana	aesthetic should be self-similar to content	[08:35]
nara__narayana	it's been a pleasure, see you guys later	[08:37]
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decimation	;;ticker	[09:11]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 330.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 330.47, 24 hour volume: 22932.71045831, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 335.01, 24 hour vwap: 326.354768788	[09:11]
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TheNewDeal	bc,stats	[09:15]
TheNewDeal	;;bc,stats	[09:15]
gribble	Current Blocks: 324372 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 203 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 35 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 35298088650.4 \| Estimated Percent Change: 1.8368	[09:15]
Vexual	;;later tell cazalla http://www.startupsmart.com.au/growth/bitcoin-startups-get-their-own-co-working-space/2014100813382.html	[09:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[09:16]
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TheNewDeal	decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ Should have been red, blue, and white tribes... duh	[09:51]
assbot	I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup \| Slate Star Codex	[09:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13099999 = 2.62 BTC [-]	[09:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 550 @ 0.00149995 = 0.825 BTC [+] {6}	[10:00]
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Vexual	TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.	[10:01]
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TheNewDeal	sure there are	[10:03]
TheNewDeal	anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers	[10:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium	[10:13]
TheNewDeal	was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor	[10:14]
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nubbins`	well, y'know, rightly so.	[16:23]
nubbins`	anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.	[16:23]
Vexual	id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon	[16:23]
nubbins`	and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill	[16:23]
thickasthieves	we have a shrimp fetsival here that does really well	[16:24]
Vexual	thats a half thruth	[16:24]
nubbins`	maybe next year they'll get william hung	[16:24]
thickasthieves	they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands	[16:24]
nubbins`	heh thickasthieves that's the idea	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah i was gonna say that sounds like a winner	[16:24]
nubbins`	"up next: pistols & flowers"	[16:25]
nubbins`	"up next: led hot zilli peppers"	[16:25]
Vexual	lol	[16:25]
nubbins`	(they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	you srs ?!	[16:25]
Vexual	yay not wasting moeny!	[16:25]
nubbins`	no joke	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	pistols & flowers ?	[16:26]
nubbins`	also no joke	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	wtf's next, "the whom" ? "the bind" ?	[16:26]
Vexual	lol	[16:26]
nubbins`	i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	ahahh	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	moar like the why, amirite.	[16:26]
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Vexual	meth + none is cheaper than someone	[16:26]
nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoxRXmKrdU	[16:27]
assbot	Led Hot Zili Peppers - Proud Mary - Turtle Jacks, Jun.14/11 - YouTube	[16:27]
nubbins`	i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye	[16:27]
nubbins`	drummer looks about 9	[16:27]
Vexual	kids rock	[16:27]
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mircea_popescu	!up brianhoffman	[16:27]
-assbot-	You voiced brianhoffman for 30 minutes.	[16:27]
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Vexual	drummers going places	[16:28]
nubbins`	not with his hair in his eyes	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...	[16:28]
Vexual	he'll be shaved and get better friends	[16:28]
nubbins`	Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens	[16:28]
nubbins`	wish there was more video ;/	[16:28]
Vexual	yeah its the future and shit	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	ahhh this is lulzy. trilema traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.	[16:29]
nubbins`	once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	this blog be goin' places.	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` mayo.	[16:29]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	people have been painting with mayo since about 1500	[16:29]
nubbins`	but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?	[16:29]
nubbins`	actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day	[16:30]
nubbins`	i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.	[16:30]
nubbins`	that's a lotta text	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	which guy ?	[16:31]
nubbins`	so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award	[16:31]
nubbins`	new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in	[16:32]
nubbins`	and MAN can this guy fuckin cook	[16:32]
thickasthieves	The Whom, lol!	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	o hai tat	[16:32]
Vexual	resturants go bad with bad mayo	[16:33]
nubbins`	i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"	[16:33]
Vexual	its where the very term chicken shit came from	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.	[16:34]
nubbins`	9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	it's not so hard really.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	but lasagna takes more than nine hours.	[16:34]
Vexual	you make lagsngne in house?	[16:34]
nubbins`	the prep work was done the day before	[16:34]
nubbins`	had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	a	[16:35]
Vexual	immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[16:35]
nubbins`	but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.	[16:35]
nubbins`	HEH	[16:35]
kakobrekla	did ya kill the cow?	[16:35]
nubbins`	moose, in fact	[16:35]
nubbins`	ground it ourselves tho!	[16:35]
kakobrekla	ah, ran over it?	[16:36]
thickasthieves	under	[16:36]
nubbins`	nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free	[16:36]
nubbins`	heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:36]
nubbins`	generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap	[16:36]
kakobrekla	does moose taste similar to deer?	[16:36]
nubbins`	never tried deer	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla nah, similar to bison.	[16:36]
nubbins`	moose is like a spicy/stringy beef	[16:36]
kakobrekla	never had bison or moose. had deer many times.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla how about wild boar ?	[16:37]
nubbins`	caribou might be closert	[16:37]
nubbins`	*closer	[16:37]
kakobrekla	possibly although i dont recall it.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.	[16:37]
kakobrekla	who me?	[16:38]
nubbins`	and dogs	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	yes you :D	[16:38]
kakobrekla	meh	[16:38]
kakobrekla	horse ftw	[16:38]
thickasthieves	they have ice too	[16:38]
nubbins`	anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse	[16:38]
nubbins`	24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"	[16:39]
nubbins`	9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"	[16:39]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.	[16:39]
Vexual	i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne	[16:39]
kakobrekla	eh	[16:39]
kakobrekla	'edible dormouse'	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	uh. wtf	[16:40]
kakobrekla	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse	[16:40]
assbot	Edible dormouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	edible by whom, squirrels ?	[16:40]
nubbins`	ex little producer	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` paul f little	[16:40]
kakobrekla	these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value	[16:40]
nubbins`	"this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("	[16:41]
kakobrekla	but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten	[16:41]
Vexual	rats?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	looks more like a chinchilla	[16:42]
kakobrekla	romans ate em	[16:42]
thickasthieves	Glis Glis, heh	[16:42]
Vexual	do you mice the bones or dress them?	[16:42]
kakobrekla	smaller than chinchilla	[16:42]
kakobrekla	its like a big mouse	[16:42]
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Vexual	mice the whole thing? fur and all?	[16:43]
kakobrekla	very good furr also	[16:43]
thickasthieves	like a grey chipmunk	[16:43]
kakobrekla	my grandfather still hunts them	[16:43]
Vexual	lets stick to beef	[16:43]
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thickasthieves	should we use glue or mayo?	[16:44]
nubbins`	i've got a variety of adhesives we can use	[16:44]
Vexual	what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?	[16:44]
nubbins`	how about alba-tac?	[16:44]
thickasthieves	this room would probly prefer sugru	[16:44]
nubbins`	i have some sugru but i think it's expired.	[16:45]
Vexual	sugru?	[16:45]
thickasthieves	adhesive putty	[16:45]
nubbins`	feels unusually stiff inside the package	[16:45]
nubbins`	Vexual room-temp-cure silicone	[16:45]
Vexual	thats not food	[16:45]
thickasthieves	lol	[16:45]
nubbins`	who said anything about food?	[16:45]
nubbins`	we're trying to stick to beef here	[16:45]
Vexual	and mayo	[16:45]
nubbins`	mayo's not sticky enough	[16:46]
Vexual	although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere	[16:46]
thickasthieves	it makes you blind?	[16:46]
nubbins`	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography#mediaviewer/File:Wiki-POV-pornography.png	[16:46]
assbot	Gonzo pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[16:46]
nubbins`	now you know	[16:47]
Vexual	no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want	[16:47]
Vexual	because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary	[16:48]
nubbins`	but i'm almost out of oil :(	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	use lube i guess ?!	[16:48]
nubbins`	would precum work?	[16:48]
Vexual	you get one of two experiences	[16:48]
Vexual	good and bad	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you gonna make mayo out of eggs and eggs ?	[16:49]
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kakobrekla	actually worth it , lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZM-eG-SZ_A&feature=youtu.be	[16:49]
assbot	Fake questions at the catwalks during Milano Fashion Week - YouTube	[16:49]
nubbins`	actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?	[16:50]
nubbins`	the lasagne took like ten of them	[16:50]
Vexual	yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo	[16:50]
Vexual	its supposed to be ... err how you say	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lmao idjits	[16:50]
kakobrekla	totally	[16:51]
Vexual	cultured?	[16:51]
kakobrekla	i dont want to be on this planet anymore!	[16:51]
thickasthieves	kako awesome vid lol	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	i mean fashion week	[16:51]
kakobrekla	if only this would be limited to that.	[16:52]
Vexual	its all about the greek	[16:52]
thickasthieves	"everything you can put on your head, i love it."	[16:53]
nubbins`	shoes	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	"ballsacs especially"	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?	[16:54]
kakobrekla	not that id known	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.	[16:56]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	Scalia cuts him off: “Well, religious beliefs aren’t reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, it’s … God tells you. It’s not a matter of being reasonable.” He looks amazed. “God, be reasonable?”	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	gotta love scalia lol	[17:03]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trinity-western-grad-attacked-for-being-christian-in-job-rejection-1.2791323	[17:03]
assbot	Trinity Western grad 'attacked' for being Christian in job rejection - British Columbia - CBC News	[17:03]
nubbins`	check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.	[17:05]
Vexual	i havent read the book	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[17:07]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 339.73, Best ask: 340.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.24000, Last trade: 339.73, 24 hour volume: 22401.26252814, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.936354616	[17:07]
Vexual	thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho	[17:07]
Vexual	since when did no or yes need a qualifier	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	to fjord ? it's a fjverb now !?	[17:08]
Vexual	ya	[17:08]
Vexual	its both	[17:08]
Vexual	english is whorish like that	[17:09]
thickasthieves	viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."	[17:09]
nubbins`	+1 hey?	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't fuck dubious jew carpenter guys	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	mary magdalene, however, maybe.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	this is pre-syphilis after all.	[17:10]
nubbins`	did he die a jew, tho?	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.	[17:11]
nubbins`	iirc the guy was baptized	[17:11]
nubbins`	heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	the ripped open heavens i'd fuck	[17:11]
nubbins`	who wouldn't?!	[17:11]
nubbins`	"Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."	[17:12]
nubbins`	what the fuckin fuck?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	http://stmarymagcoa.org/ << lol!	[17:12]
assbot	St Mary Magdalen Parish - Home	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` welcome to yesterday's lols.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	they were had!	[17:13]
nubbins`	just catching up	[17:13]
nubbins`	"given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"	[17:14]
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nubbins`	welcome to the asymmetric future	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	certainly.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.	[17:15]
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nubbins`	!s hard fork	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?	[17:17]
thickasthieves	lol	[17:17]
thickasthieves	!b 2	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.	[17:18]
nubbins`	mooooprints	[17:18]
*	nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	lol jazz cigarette	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	;;google patricia kaas is not jazz	[17:18]
gribble	Patricia Kaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Black Coffee - Patricia Kaas - YouTube: ; Patricia Kaas - L'heure du jazz (LP, L out) - YouTube:	[17:18]
nubbins`	hm, i wonder...	[17:19]
nubbins`	;;ud jazz cigarette	[17:19]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz%20cigarette \| A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ...	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you asshole, aerosmith ain't washed up!!!!1	[17:19]
nubbins`	all's well	[17:19]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu -_-	[17:19]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfDI2ZjXwK8	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years	[17:20]
nubbins`	i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"	[17:20]
nubbins`	but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow	[17:20]
nubbins`	so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead	[17:20]
nubbins`	joe somebody?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	tyler plays guitar now ?!	[17:21]
nubbins`	right?!	[17:21]
nubbins`	joe perry, that's it.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	yup	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	tyler just does with the mouth	[17:21]
nubbins`	anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	no idea who dave is	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	but tyler's enough an asshole for any needs.	[17:21]
nubbins`	guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.	[17:22]
nubbins`	very "hollywood"	[17:22]
nubbins`	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Dave_Navarro_2010.jpg	[17:22]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway	[17:23]
nubbins`	til mp is into smith	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to	[17:24]
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nubbins`	heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out	[17:24]
nubbins`	didn't last	[17:24]
nubbins`	anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHGZZ-apMk	[17:24]
assbot	Jane's Addiction - Jane Says (Live at Irvine Meadows 1991) - YouTube	[17:24]
nubbins`	NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.	[17:24]
Vexual	noice	[17:25]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.	[17:25]
nubbins`	how about the "don	[17:27]
nubbins`	't wanna close my eyes" shit	[17:28]
nubbins`	armageddon	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	eh get out.	[17:28]
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nubbins`	sorry, low blow	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.	[17:30]
thickasthieves	eddie van halen is probly my #1 guitarist	[17:30]
thickasthieves	not cause i like van halen songs tremendously	[17:31]
nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.	[17:31]
nubbins`	leeel	[17:31]
thickasthieves	just really appreciate how he works in them	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	shit, it's not applegate, iths the other blondie	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	wtf was her name	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	silverstone!	[17:31]
thickasthieves	arquette?	[17:31]
Vexual	blondie?	[17:31]
nubbins`	alicia	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0	[17:32]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU	[17:32]
thickasthieves	so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?	[17:32]
thickasthieves	each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased	[17:32]
thickasthieves	sorta like a ponzi	[17:33]
thickasthieves	but not	[17:33]
thickasthieves	you get a song	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING	[17:33]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.	[17:33]
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thickasthieves	but they get part ownership	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's already here.	[17:33]
thickasthieves	so sales revenue	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves sales ? what sales ?	[17:33]
thickasthieves	stake	[17:33]
mats_cd03	so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016	[17:33]
thickasthieves	well popular artists could have preorders and min orders	[17:34]
nubbins`	mats_cd03 congratulations!	[17:34]
mats_cd03	i wonder whats going to happen	[17:34]
nubbins`	min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago	[17:34]
mats_cd03	i aint some broke nigga nubbins`	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.	[17:34]
nubbins`	mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.	[17:34]
mats_cd03	i doubt it	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	or even a couple of em, depending.	[17:34]
nubbins`	mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 nothing's gonna happen.	[17:34]
Vexual	ill be moving fixed rate rice soon	[17:34]
mats_cd03	more part time workers	[17:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26474 @ 0.00074733 = 19.7848 BTC [+] {2}	[17:35]
mats_cd03	more people getting penalized for not having health insurance	[17:35]
nubbins`	a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it	[17:35]
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nubbins`	oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[17:35]
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mats_cd03	b-b-but romneycare in MA	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	pity they don't do the same thing to education, too	[17:35]
thickasthieves	apple reports selling 25billion songs	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	O WAIT!!!!	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	mwahahaha	[17:36]
thickasthieves	soooo	[17:36]
thickasthieves	someone's buying	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves nope.	[17:36]
nubbins`	did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?	[17:36]
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Vexual	fuck mano	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.	[17:37]
thickasthieves	$7.6bn CD sales	[17:37]
thickasthieves	lol	[17:37]
thickasthieves	$5.87b digital music	[17:37]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.	[17:37]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...	[17:37]
thickasthieves	i understand the numbers fluffed	[17:38]
thickasthieves	but i dont believe they are tripled or such	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of fluffed or tripled	[17:38]
nubbins`	i've bought music through apple	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	a matter of, "not your numbers"	[17:38]
nubbins`	not much, granted	[17:38]
nubbins`	but i've done it	[17:38]
nubbins`	wait, shit, sorry.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.	[17:39]
Vexual	were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that	[17:40]
Vexual	its vulgar	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.	[17:40]
thickasthieves	so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:40]
Vexual	beard implant lol	[17:40]
thickasthieves	so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	not in any recognisable format.	[17:41]
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BingoBoingo	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/08/134208/systemd-adding-its-own-console-to-linux-systems	[17:41]
assbot	Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems - Slashdot	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron	[17:42]
thickasthieves	so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it's a cycle.	[17:42]
thickasthieves	but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	so you think.	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.	[17:43]
Vexual	i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	;;google katajjaq	[17:44]
gribble	Inuit throat singing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Inuit Katajjaq (Throat Singing) - YouTube: ; Katajjaq - YouTube:	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	it's that phase.	[17:44]
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nubbins`	that was weird.	[17:44]
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thickasthieves	yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m	[17:45]
nubbins`	tanya tagaq?!	[17:45]
nubbins`	she won polaris this year	[17:45]
thickasthieves	rather $500m, after hyperinflation	[17:45]
mats_cd03	i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious	[17:46]
nubbins`	thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	take britney, a fine example.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.	[17:46]
Vexual	$500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	the network is a different story.	[17:46]
thickasthieves	nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah , but it's not really music, that	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	just like hot topic isn't really social commentary	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	it's just packaging, for to sell an actual product.	[17:47]
nubbins`	not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label	[17:47]
thickasthieves	yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` exactly my point.	[17:47]
nubbins`	"music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things	[17:48]
thickasthieves	people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.	[17:48]
nubbins`	this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves but they pay TO THE SERVICES	[17:48]
nubbins`	people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music	[17:48]
thickasthieves	yes. i was proposing a service	[17:48]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous	[17:48]
thickasthieves	i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists	[17:48]
nubbins`	protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.	[17:49]
nubbins`	there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums	[17:49]
thickasthieves	i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	you're in no position to do that, are you now.	[17:49]
Vexual	dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny	[17:49]
thickasthieves	or ways to bite into apple's apple by being hipper	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	lol this is like talking to dank.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	dude.	[17:49]
thickasthieves	hip enough to sell out to yc or whatever	[17:50]
nubbins`	Vexual dre is an anomaly	[17:50]
Vexual	hes boss	[17:50]
thickasthieves	ok lets relaz and realize i'm just sharing a thought,	[17:50]
thickasthieves	i'm not selling the farm to save music	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.	[17:50]
nubbins`	he also made more money as a producer than as an artist	[17:50]
Vexual	producer=producer	[17:50]
nubbins`	you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?	[17:50]
nubbins`	$5	[17:50]
thickasthieves	lol	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.	[17:51]
nubbins`	you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?	[17:51]
nubbins`	hundreds	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse	[17:51]
nubbins`	NATCH	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	the fucking point im making to him, already.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.	[17:51]
nubbins`	people have fucked ideas about rights	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it	[17:51]
Vexual	this cats got the patent too	[17:51]
nubbins`	how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future	[17:51]
nubbins`	fucking of course it's okay!!!	[17:52]
nubbins`	you paid for it! it's yours!	[17:52]
nubbins`	the fact that this surprises people is fucked	[17:52]
thickasthieves	u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves it's because we love you.	[17:52]
nubbins`	;;google coolio library site:bitcointalk.org	[17:52]
gribble	The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby and Mastercoin ...: ; The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby ... - Bitcoin Forum: ; About KNCMiner - Bitcoin Forum:	[17:52]
nubbins`	bah fuck	[17:52]
nubbins`	anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc	[17:53]
nubbins`	for some reason	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.	[17:53]
Vexual	i remeber that	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters	[17:53]
Vexual	i almost said something	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use	[17:53]
nubbins`	hear the sounds they're licensed to hear	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	pay per click!	[17:54]
nubbins`	turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs	[17:54]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1PXRiVoJw its half a good idea	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.	[17:54]
asciilifeform	a. belayev's 'the air seller.'	[17:54]
nubbins`	500 even seems a lot	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	forget it. that thing's dead. for years now.	[17:54]
asciilifeform	;;google the air seller	[17:54]
gribble	The Air Seller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Air Purifiers - Amazon.com: ; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Heating & Air Conditioning:	[17:54]
nubbins`	turns out amazon is the air seller.	[17:55]
Vexual	bc was about 60 bux then	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable	[17:55]
nubbins`	Vexual costly :o	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet	[17:55]
Vexual	:)	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	there's always an upstream.	[17:56]
nubbins`	hurricane electric!	[17:56]
nubbins`	hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.	[17:57]
Vexual	if you see me pick up a gun, shootme	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	"nobody could have foreseen" etc.	[17:58]
asciilifeform	'UNLESS.'	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.	[17:58]
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thickasthieves	;;ticker	[17:59]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 346.02, Best ask: 347.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 24021.20783683, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 348.89, 24 hour vwap: 335.074128774	[17:59]
thickasthieves	lalala	[17:59]
nubbins`	not bad	[18:01]
nubbins`	i'm still in the money like MAD	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?	[18:01]
asciilifeform	9	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[18:01]
asciilifeform	but maybe that's just me	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	i fear to find what may be 1 on your scale :D	[18:02]
asciilifeform	1, idk, private key of fellow who i don't even know is alive, eh	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	you never taught, have you ?	[18:03]
asciilifeform	not pro, no	[18:03]
nubbins`	heh	[18:04]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXewIR7Y7cc	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.	[18:04]
asciilifeform	ahaha various people told me this.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	it's just... human head dun work so well.	[18:05]
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BingoBoingo	i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:08]
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Vexual	this aint school	[18:10]
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Vexual	esta real life	[18:10]
Vexual	youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool	[18:12]
Vexual	outta sight cool	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	and if you don't, they dock ya.	[18:12]
Vexual	aint that the truth	[18:12]
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nubbins`_	and ya don't get to whine	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.	[18:14]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYfOnQF5S88	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it splits people up into classes.	[18:14]
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Vexual	ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain	[18:15]
Vexual	i think i did university wrongly	[18:16]
nubbins`	who didn't	[18:17]
Vexual	well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did	[18:21]
Vexual	and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda	[18:23]
Vexual	i sat in on law and classics	[18:29]
Vexual	critical thought	[18:29]
Vexual	i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance	[18:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 103 @ 0.12577836 = 12.9552 BTC [-] {6}	[18:31]
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Vexual	but i never lerned nothin like physics	[18:32]
Vexual	its the biz	[18:33]
Vexual	science of science	[18:33]
Vexual	im too old to lurk into lectures now	[18:34]
Vexual	but i do it anyway	[18:36]
Vexual	i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while	[18:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00074765 = 10.7288 BTC [+] {2}	[18:37]
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nubbins`	i thought it was the science of math	[18:37]
Vexual	!up diana_coman	[18:37]
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Vexual	physics?	[18:37]
nubbins`	yeah	[18:38]
nubbins`	it's all just applied math	[18:38]
Vexual	its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy	[18:38]
nubbins`	the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math	[18:38]
Vexual	yeah its visa vera too	[18:38]
Vexual	its where math meets every other science	[18:39]
Vexual	what kinda math do you do?	[18:39]
Vexual	are you satoshi?	[18:40]
nubbins`	what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical	[18:41]
Vexual	practical in astro belive it or not	[18:42]
nubbins`	passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will	[18:42]
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mircea_popescu	!up Sweete__	[18:43]
-assbot-	You voiced Sweete__ for 30 minutes.	[18:43]
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Sweete__	thk:)	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[18:43]
Vexual	hi Sweete__	[18:44]
Sweete__	hi	[18:45]
Vexual	whats with the __ ??	[18:46]
Vexual	you a lowrider or something?	[18:46]
Sweete__	ok	[18:46]
Vexual	or was sweete taken?	[18:46]
Sweete__	taken	[18:47]
Sweete__	L(	[18:47]
Sweete__	:(	[18:47]
Vexual	lol	[18:47]
Vexual	whats your story?	[18:47]
thickasthieves	we're gonna hit 360 today it seems	[18:47]
Sweete__	long story	[18:47]
Vexual	werea ll youngish here	[18:48]
thickasthieves	and we're all here for the stories	[18:48]
Vexual	;;google bitcoinity	[18:48]
gribble	0.337 USD/mBTC - Bitcoinity.org: ; Bitcoinity.org: ; Bitcoin prices - Bitcoinity.org:	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	one short of leet.	[18:48]
diana_coman	I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader	[18:49]
nubbins`	i'm here for the focused dialogue	[18:49]
Sweete__	350 on stamp	[18:49]
thickasthieves	yep, should go down in a min	[18:50]
thickasthieves	bad wordchoice	[18:50]
Sweete__	yep	[18:50]
thickasthieves	the wall will be eaten	[18:50]
thickasthieves	sweet__ you daytrade btcusd and/or?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	going down and eating ?	[18:51]
Sweete__	same	[18:51]
thickasthieves	eat dem walls!	[18:51]
thickasthieves	hehe	[18:51]
Vexual	mircea_popescu: i wish	[18:51]
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Vexual	mornin' ben_vulpes	[18:52]
thickasthieves	Ben Fox	[18:54]
Vexual	;;ticker	[18:54]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 349.92, Best ask: 350.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 351.9, 24 hour volume: 25157.95476558, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 351.9, 24 hour vwap: 336.206253808	[18:54]
thickasthieves	I'm John Oak	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	better than woody allen...	[18:56]
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Vexual	better than deep throat	[18:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 975 @ 0.00061997 = 0.6045 BTC [+] {3}	[18:57]
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ben_vulpes	morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu	[18:58]
Vexual	tenny	[18:58]
ben_vulpes	ah that's a new one	[18:58]
ben_vulpes	what are you doing up so early?	[18:58]
nubbins`	so late	[18:58]
ben_vulpes	slash late	[18:58]
ben_vulpes	so out of your normal cycle	[18:58]
TomServo	ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks	[18:59]
nubbins`	nothing important, i hope	[18:59]
nubbins`	speeling = improtant	[18:59]
nubbins`	;;notes nubbins	[19:00]
gribble	Sent 6 days, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: Got the print. Nice!	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	;;notes benkay	[19:00]
gribble	Sent 3 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, and 25 minutes ago: I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/	[19:00]
ben_vulpes	everyone writes one	[19:00]
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nubbins`	♪	[19:03]
nubbins`	imagine	[19:03]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso philipino!	[19:05]
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Vexual	the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met	[19:28]
Vexual	you only get one chance to stop that shit	[19:29]
nubbins`	well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something	[19:30]
Vexual	dead	[19:30]
asciilifeform	obola must spread - orders from ebama.	[19:30]
Vexual	already	[19:30]
Vexual	lol youre typing like me ascii	[19:31]
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Vexual	whole crew is here	[19:34]
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Vexual	how long til you're dining on roo pete?	[19:35]
pete_dushenski	Vexual: 2 months :)	[19:36]
pete_dushenski	so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...	[19:37]
Vexual	wow, full price tickets	[19:37]
pete_dushenski	compare http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30333 and http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533	[19:37]
assbot	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[19:37]
assbot	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[19:37]
Vexual	lol	[19:37]
Vexual	diff	[19:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00074526 = 39.2007 BTC [-] {2}	[19:38]
pete_dushenski	different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls	[19:38]
Vexual	im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?	[19:39]
pete_dushenski	somalia	[19:39]
Vexual	really?	[19:40]
pete_dushenski	i hear it's a country	[19:40]
Vexual	dont be a wank hole	[19:40]
Vexual	i dont want to get on a terrorist list	[19:41]
mats_cd03	depends what you want to do	[19:42]
Vexual	cheeky fucker	[19:42]
mats_cd03	want to join the global jihad?	[19:42]
nubbins`	if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp	[19:42]
Vexual	i was thinkinking learning russian	[19:42]
pete_dushenski	Vexual what makes you think you aren't already?	[19:42]
nubbins`	there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado	[19:42]
Vexual	oh i am	[19:42]
pete_dushenski	so	[19:43]
Vexual	so dont tell me 2 months	[19:43]
pete_dushenski	it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now	[19:43]
Vexual	fart you	[19:43]
pete_dushenski	;)	[19:43]
Vexual	:)	[19:43]
thickasthieves	vexual well what kinda places do you like?	[19:44]
Vexual	i like spicy food	[19:44]
Vexual	and crazy people	[19:44]
thickasthieves	brazil?	[19:44]
Vexual	or vodka	[19:44]
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Vexual	yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly	[19:45]
Vexual	ive been there	[19:45]
thickasthieves	word	[19:45]
thickasthieves	visit mp	[19:45]
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Vexual	no ne is scary	[19:45]
Vexual	and wed have nothing to talk about	[19:46]
thickasthieves	lol	[19:46]
Vexual	i havent read evry book	[19:46]
thickasthieves	he'd be glad to explain them to you	[19:46]
pete_dushenski	spicy food + crazy people = jamaica	[19:48]
Vexual	bankok is closer	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	sri lanka too	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	jamaica is al sluts i hear	[19:51]
pete_dushenski	"I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."	[19:51]
Vexual	oh sluts is good	[19:51]
pete_dushenski	http://avc.com/2014/10/bitcoin-price-and-promise/	[19:51]
assbot	Bitcoin – Price and Promise AVC	[19:51]
pete_dushenski	^fred wilson	[19:52]
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Vexual	never bin srilanka	[19:53]
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pete_dushenski	me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/519893536024829954	[19:57]
Vexual	yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts	[19:57]
assbot	Compare http://t.co/0O9eSXI6c9 and http://t.co/SRrLv5suZH. Now will the real /gavinandresen please stand up? Lol comments need PGP sigs...	[19:57]
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Vexual	whos go with virgins anyway?	[19:57]
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thickasthieves	fred wilson, bullwhale	[19:59]
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Vexual	i mean, seriously, c'mon	[20:01]
Vexual	indonesia	[20:02]
Vexual	i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober	[20:03]
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Vexual	and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city	[20:04]
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punkman	Vexual: been to istanbul?	[20:06]
Vexual	no	[20:06]
Vexual	ive prolly flown over	[20:06]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGF_0AcHaGs	[20:07]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!	[20:07]
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Vexual	sounds french	[20:08]
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pete_dushenski	it was vilnian like a villain	[20:09]
thickasthieves	indonesia wants dem free bitcoins http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=free%20bitcoin&date=1%2F2014%2012m&cmpt=q	[20:10]
assbot	Google Trends	[20:10]
Vexual	bali got a fuckton from oldmate	[20:10]
Vexual	well.75 of a ton	[20:11]
Vexual	a reasonable fuck	[20:11]
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BingoBoingo	http://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html	[20:13]
assbot	weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics	[20:13]
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asciilifeform	i still don't grok 'doxing'	[20:15]
asciilifeform	how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?	[20:15]
Vexual	well you give a name and adress	[20:16]
Vexual	documents, not dirt	[20:16]
Vexual	it is what it is	[20:17]
Vexual	oh you dont like it? me nmeither	[20:17]
mats_cd03	'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence	[20:18]
Vexual	anywy, imma see what jamaica is like	[20:18]
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Vexual	or somewhere else	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat	[20:19]
asciilifeform	so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?	[20:19]
mats_cd03	yes	[20:20]
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mats_cd03	as well as vulnerability to things like swatting	[20:20]
mats_cd03	some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	Like pizza companis	[20:21]
mats_cd03	dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies	[20:21]
mats_cd03	and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou	[20:21]
mats_cd03	doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.	[20:22]
asciilifeform	all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.	[20:23]
asciilifeform	as described in recent mircea_popescu post	[20:23]
mats_cd03	the day is nigh.	[20:23]
BingoBoingo	!up X-Rob	[20:25]
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X-Rob	Morning BingoBoingo	[20:25]
BingoBoingo	Morning Rob	[20:25]
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pete_dushenski	http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30431	[20:38]
assbot	How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[20:38]
pete_dushenski	^my reply to the other "gavin"	[20:38]
pete_dushenski	those duplicitous derps...	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	!up jacoblyles	[20:40]
-assbot-	You voiced jacoblyles for 30 minutes.	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	;;google PW:RN	[20:41]
gribble	Anita Somplasky, RN CHTS-CP CHTS-PW \| LinkedIn: ; Susan C. Benfield RN, BA CHTS-CP, CHTS-PW \| LinkedIn: ; USGS Professional Pages - Paul Seelbach:	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.	[20:42]
BingoBoingo	http://drugs.gawker.com/have-you-ever-been-too-high-to-lie-1643086212 << Too high to lie defense	[20:42]
assbot	Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	because that's how shamanic "thinking" works.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...	[20:42]
asciilifeform	;;google true names and other dangers	[20:42]
gribble	True Names...and Other Dangers: Vernor Vinge: 9780671653637 ...: ; True Names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; True Names... and Other Dangers by Vernor Vinge — Reviews ...:	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	^ original turd on the subject	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	fucking natives, these people.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite.	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski i was being very very facetious	[20:44]
pete_dushenski	lolk	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago	[20:45]
asciilifeform	https://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/V/Vinge,%20Vernor/Vernor%20Vinge%20-%20True%20Names.pdf	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?	[20:47]
asciilifeform	'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat	[20:48]
asciilifeform	ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'	[20:48]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this requires special modes of thought - like reasoning about how small is electron, or how large - galaxy	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	anyone spending enough time daydreaming develops them	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say	[20:49]
*	asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	that's two bit.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	no, four.	[20:50]
jurov	ever had all 4 set?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	can set any combo.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	wait you can have them concurrent ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	sure.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	how's slotful lust ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	you of all people should know	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	"if i could be bothered to stand up i'd bugger you" ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	that'd be just 'sloth' bit	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?	[20:51]
asciilifeform	with just gate noise of 'lust'	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:51]
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nubbins`	<+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	"i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	ever had all 4 set? << this'd be interesting.	[20:53]
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nubbins`	speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email	[20:55]
nubbins`	1 sec	[20:55]
nubbins`	not available to public yet, gotta screenshot	[20:56]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/iQWF6MQ.png	[20:57]
nubbins`	minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue	[20:57]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...	[20:58]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: neat	[20:58]
nubbins`	neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho	[20:59]
pete_dushenski	but… pnumanism!	[21:00]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/v6m9yTy.png	[21:00]
nubbins`	actually lame as shit irl	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	kinda lame yeah.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	pocket protectors included ?	[21:02]
nubbins`	right?	[21:03]
nubbins`	(C) 1935, 2013 HASBRO	[21:03]
nubbins`	"cool coin, man"	[21:03]
nubbins`	"they really licensed the shit out of that logo"	[21:04]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.	[21:04]
thestringpuller	"i still have no idea what y.all are talking about.	[21:06]
thestringpuller	You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?	[21:06]
thestringpuller	If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."	[21:07]
thestringpuller	How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?	[21:07]
nubbins`	such comment, many vitriol	[21:09]
nubbins`	thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?	[21:09]
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mthreat	mircea_popescu: coffee chat today - Igor (the baexpat forum owner) will be there. http://baexpats.org/topic/31648-coffee-chat-wed-8-oct-2014-4-7pm-barrio-norte/	[21:14]
assbot	Coffee Chat - Wed 8 Oct 2014, 4-7Pm (Barrio Norte) - Expat Events - Buenos Aires Expats Group	[21:14]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)	[21:14]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: o gavin knows very well.	[21:15]
pete_dushenski	he's just playing it up for the crowd.	[21:16]
pete_dushenski	very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.	[21:16]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[21:17]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 345.57, Best ask: 345.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 345.57, 24 hour volume: 26823.95596431, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 354.18, 24 hour vwap: 339.577546866	[21:17]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.	[21:26]
thestringpuller	!up go1111111	[21:27]
thestringpuller	;;ident	[21:27]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.	[21:27]
nubbins`	!down thestringpuller	[21:27]
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nubbins`	my sides	[21:27]
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thestringpuller	!up go1111111	[21:28]
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go1111111	thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	go1111111: 50% a year is non-trivial	[21:29]
go1111111	regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle	[21:30]
thestringpuller	mining isn't the issue	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	go1111111: I'm talking bandwidth	[21:30]
nubbins`	what specifically is the issue	[21:30]
thestringpuller	it's the decentralization of full nodes	[21:30]
nubbins`	1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?	[21:30]
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thestringpuller	the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes	[21:30]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Keeping full nodes in sync	[21:30]
go1111111	BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about	[21:31]
thestringpuller	so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?	[21:31]
nubbins`	how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?	[21:31]
thestringpuller	if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given	[21:31]
BingoBoingo	if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given << This	[21:31]
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BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.	[21:32]
thestringpuller	;;google average bandwidth in north america	[21:32]
gribble	Netflix Remains King of Bandwidth Usage, While YouTube Declines ...: ; Report: Average U.S. Broadband Prices Are Below World Average ...: ; Measuring Broadband America - February 2013 \| FCC.gov: (1 more message)	[21:32]
go1111111	thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome	[21:32]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?	[21:32]
thestringpuller	go1111111: now you're off topic.	[21:33]
nubbins`	why am i asking you?	[21:33]
Apocalyptic	go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough	[21:33]
nubbins`	go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?	[21:33]
Apocalyptic	but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?	[21:33]
nubbins`	Apocalyptic it worked for bucky	[21:34]
go1111111	thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability	[21:34]
thestringpuller	so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc	[21:34]
nubbins`	you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence	[21:35]
thestringpuller	go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...	[21:35]
nubbins`	nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year	[21:35]
thestringpuller	he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year	[21:35]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account	[21:35]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: ^	[21:36]
nubbins`	okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption	[21:36]
nubbins`	i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now	[21:36]
nubbins`	this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?	[21:36]
thestringpuller	it is	[21:36]
thestringpuller	US average bandwidth is 10Mbit	[21:36]
nubbins`	note that usa is not a first world country	[21:36]
thestringpuller	OKAY	[21:36]
nubbins`	this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?	[21:37]
thestringpuller	I'll give you that	[21:37]
nubbins`	how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?	[21:37]
thestringpuller	So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?	[21:37]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: you want to stop it?	[21:37]
nubbins`	o noes, somalia can't run a full node	[21:37]
go1111111	thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries	[21:38]
nubbins`	^	[21:38]
thestringpuller	very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.	[21:38]
thestringpuller	starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.	[21:39]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?	[21:40]
go1111111	most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive	[21:40]
go1111111	that's a software issue	[21:40]
nubbins`	so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection	[21:40]
nubbins`	imagine, the horror	[21:40]
chetty	internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt	[21:41]
nubbins`	so there goes that argument	[21:42]
nubbins`	why precisely are we whining about block size?	[21:42]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?	[21:43]
thestringpuller	i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...	[21:43]
nubbins`	Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.	[21:43]
thestringpuller	just like when diff goes too high miners drop off	[21:43]
nubbins`	no, when diff goes high miners upgrade	[21:43]
thestringpuller	not always!	[21:44]
nubbins`	children with mining hardware drop off	[21:44]
thestringpuller	they are the first but not the last	[21:44]
nubbins`	why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?	[21:44]
nubbins`	it doesn't make sensr	[21:45]
thestringpuller	because it consumes too many resources as is.	[21:45]
nubbins`	"my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"	[21:45]
nubbins`	bullshit it does	[21:45]
Apocalyptic	for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain	[21:45]
thestringpuller	my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.	[21:46]
thestringpuller	lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming	[21:46]
thestringpuller	oh wow 2 gigs of memory	[21:46]
go1111111	so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"	[21:46]
go1111111	mining = running a full node, i mean	[21:47]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees	[21:47]
thestringpuller	go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.	[21:49]
go1111111	smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while	[21:50]
thestringpuller	again if you want nice things you need to pay for them...	[21:51]
Apocalyptic	^	[21:51]
thestringpuller	what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"	[21:51]
nubbins`	"poor people should be able to run a node"	[21:52]
thestringpuller	I never said that!	[21:52]
nubbins`	nobody did :D	[21:52]
go1111111	the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources	[21:52]
nubbins`	maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node	[21:53]
nubbins`	it's not a lot to ask	[21:53]
thestringpuller	It isn't. But when does it stop?	[21:53]
nubbins`	it doesn't	[21:53]
thestringpuller	Then we need computers build specifically for full nodes?	[21:53]
nubbins`	eventually	[21:53]
thestringpuller	Then only certain individuals can run full nodes?	[21:53]
nubbins`	already this is the case	[21:53]
thestringpuller	For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...	[21:54]
nubbins`	yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?	[21:54]
thestringpuller	as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium	[21:55]
nubbins`	and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity	[21:55]
thestringpuller	yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.	[21:56]
nubbins`	so?	[21:56]
thestringpuller	this forces centralization no?	[21:56]
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thestringpuller	:D	[21:57]
go1111111	thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold	[21:57]
nubbins`	"centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?	[21:57]
nubbins`	"decentralization bad, centralization good"	[21:58]
nubbins`	"analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."	[21:58]
thestringpuller	centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"	[21:58]
nubbins`	there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?	[21:58]
thestringpuller	exactly.	[21:58]
nubbins`	so what's the minimum?	[21:58]
nubbins`	a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?	[21:59]
thestringpuller	minimum in terms of nodes running is what I'm getting at.	[21:59]
nubbins`	yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"	[21:59]
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nubbins`	is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?	[21:59]
thestringpuller	XD	[21:59]
nubbins`	you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500	[22:00]
nubbins`	running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole	[22:00]
Naphex	well you can scale nodes anyway	[22:00]
nubbins`	maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node	[22:01]
nubbins`	ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?	[22:01]
Apocalyptic	nubbins`, you're perverting the argument	[22:01]
thestringpuller	"Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort	[22:01]
thestringpuller	USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."	[22:02]
Naphex	whats with all this burden on full nodes	[22:03]
fluffypony	such burden	[22:03]
Naphex	56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections	[22:03]
Naphex	RX: 56.5 GB TX 117.7	[22:03]
Naphex	load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33	[22:03]
thestringpuller	damn a gig a day?	[22:04]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet	[22:04]
Naphex	running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores	[22:04]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: that's mircea_popescu via qntra	[22:04]
BingoBoingo	nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware	[22:04]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/	[22:04]
assbot	Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork	[22:04]
Naphex	i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale	[22:04]
Naphex	the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg	[22:05]
Naphex	since the supernode will filter most of the junk	[22:05]
nubbins`	why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?	[22:05]
thestringpuller	Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?	[22:05]
nubbins`	srsly, bright blue text on grey bg	[22:05]
Naphex	thestringpuller: they store it	[22:05]
nubbins`	you guys and your normcore style	[22:05]
Naphex	they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node	[22:05]
Naphex	for updates	[22:05]
thestringpuller	ah.	[22:06]
thestringpuller	so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?	[22:06]
Naphex	yes	[22:06]
thestringpuller	interesting model	[22:07]
Naphex	thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time	[22:07]
Naphex	on nodes processing junk	[22:07]
Naphex	double spends, dust, etc	[22:07]
thestringpuller	same here	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	mthreat mmm where is it ?	[22:07]
Naphex	the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	he's just playing it up for the crowd. << that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	"please reboot your computer".	[22:09]
Naphex	thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule << increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.	[22:09]
mthreat	Le Blé, at French 2999	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is here to protect against inflation.	[22:09]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: ^	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	so : a poor engineer with political delusions.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	mthreat what time is this ?	[22:11]
mthreat	4-7pm	[22:12]
mthreat	i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.	[22:13]
Apocalyptic	blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely	[22:13]
nubbins`	A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?	[22:14]
nubbins`	that is a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?	[22:14]
Naphex	nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	!up go1111111	[22:14]
Naphex	lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers	[22:14]
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nubbins`	half yr bandwidth too!	[22:14]
Naphex	i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	also, nobody is acutally running "bitcoin core"	[22:15]
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mircea_popescu	after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.	[22:15]
nubbins`	what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	"up to date" indeed.	[22:16]
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mircea_popescu	go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.	[22:17]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	jesus the gall of these people.	[22:17]
go1111111	mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	Naphex: Older patched Bitcoind?	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	who told you your brain may arbiter in this matter ?	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074773 = 12.1506 BTC [+]	[22:18]
mechtronic2001	Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	!s btcjam	[22:19]
assbot	80 results for 'btcjam' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=btcjam	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.	[22:20]
mike_c	<+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)	[22:20]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829294	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 15-09-2014 14:33:56; nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.	[22:20]
go1111111	if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that	[22:21]
mike_c	yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.	[22:21]
Apocalyptic	go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.	[22:22]
Apocalyptic	the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.	[22:22]
Apocalyptic	yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.	[22:23]
Apocalyptic	well they have ethereum for that	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.	[22:24]
Apocalyptic	mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it	[22:24]
asciilifeform	!s good cakes	[22:25]
assbot	5 results for 'good cakes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=good+cakes	[22:25]
asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollar aha	[22:25]
assbot	People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	can it also replace photo lens cleaner? cause i'm running a bit low.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	how about garden mulch ?	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.	[22:29]
go1111111	the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	level 4 : gold in no way enters into any of it.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?	[22:31]
asciilifeform	when folks say 'we want it like gold' - do they mean 'confiscatable', 'bulky', and 'largely traded as sham paper' ?	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	;;lasers	[22:34]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[22:34]
Naphex	;;lasers	[22:34]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[22:34]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit	[22:34]
Naphex	i run nodes	[22:34]
go1111111	inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	Naphex huh ?	[22:34]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit	[22:35]
ben_vulpes	Naphex: have you tried btcd?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.	[22:36]
ben_vulpes	not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.	[22:37]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	depends for whom :)	[22:38]
Naphex	aye :P	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.	[22:39]
nubbins`	any public stats on version popularity?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.	[22:40]
Naphex	(in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)	[22:40]
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nubbins`	not much	[22:40]
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kakobrekla	nubbins` https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/	[22:40]
assbot	24-hour chart - Bitnodes	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	by its nature this isn't something you'd know.	[22:40]
kakobrekla	see user agent ofc.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	which anyone can set to anything.	[22:41]
kakobrekla	and most nobody changes it.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	they just update the ver.	[22:41]
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kakobrekla	nah	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862720	[22:47]
assbot	Logged on 07-10-2014 18:01:23; mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	boys'd really love to make that 0 an 1 already.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.	[22:49]
Naphex	ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.	[22:52]
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mircea_popescu	govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing after optic fiber.	[22:54]
BingoBoingo	Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	too much taking over of the "global financial blabla"	[22:57]
thestringpuller	take everything back to zero	[22:58]
thestringpuller	then we can go back to one.	[22:58]
assbot	xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	!up xiando	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.	[23:00]
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asciilifeform	in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << copper phone net torn down. and where not torn down, scavengers are working. so no, not fiber, it'll be either nothing or dog-slow radio a la africa.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	ebolaphone.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform satellite dial-up	[23:01]
jurov	unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires	[23:02]
asciilifeform	'3g' gprs stack is actually very similar to classical dialup internally.	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	it is yes	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov sure they are.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	jurov: tell that to american scavengers. they've even pulled up fiber! purely through a combo of retardation and 'shoot first, questions second'	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	^	[23:02]
jurov	in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones	[23:03]
bounce	currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?	[23:04]
jurov	HVAC === phone wires ????	[23:04]
bounce	could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.	[23:04]
jurov	64kbps, latency depends	[23:04]
asciilifeform	copper pipes routinely vanish from houses left unattended for some days, in a number of u.s. locales	[23:05]
asciilifeform	just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.	[23:05]
jurov	you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires	[23:05]
asciilifeform	there's, hypothetically, 'more glass'	[23:05]
jurov	the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc	[23:06]
jurov	they tend to burn, too	[23:06]
bounce	not that we know of, anyway.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.	[23:06]
BingoBoingo	they tend to burn, too << Not if you make a smarter fire.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov that is a good point	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.	[23:06]
jurov	these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	and main trunk is two inch thich copper.	[23:07]
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jurov	main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago	[23:07]
jurov	*trunks	[23:07]
BingoBoingo	Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	that'd depend lots.	[23:07]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	cazalla so are you back in the seat now ?	[23:08]
cazalla	yup	[23:08]
BingoBoingo	!up justusranvier	[23:09]
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jurov	anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.	[23:09]
bounce	copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	heating uh... what, steal gas pipe ? never happened	[23:10]
asciilifeform	coal.	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though	[23:10]
bounce	modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow	[23:10]
asciilifeform	primorye case, etc	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.	[23:11]
bounce	well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up	[23:11]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[23:11]
asciilifeform	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/02/book-excerpt-wrong-math.html	[23:11]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Book Excerpt: The wrong math	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.	[23:11]
bounce	what, it's not about the politics for once?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13431 @ 0.00074467 = 10.0017 BTC [-]	[23:12]
BingoBoingo	http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/10/06#l1412554998 << Gentoo Bitcoin port apparently uses Luke-Jr patches by default	[23:12]
assbot	BitcoinStats	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo anything good ?	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.	[23:13]
jurov	anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?	[23:14]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it's been quite some years since one could safely rely on gentoo defaults.	[23:14]
bounce	a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	not all statements can be read backwards safely.	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?	[23:15]
jurov	it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?	[23:16]
asciilifeform	wtf is a hipster distro	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	(gentoo out of the box, as found now, is atrocious. i'm having face rubbed in this as we speak.)	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov vexual.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	but there is no replacement for it	[23:16]
BingoBoingo	jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note	[23:16]
thickasthieves	me too, i'm collecting bitcoins from bad traders	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:17]
asciilifeform	short of 'roll own everything, have team of artisans on retainer, 1000 man hours to start'	[23:17]
bounce	perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?	[23:17]
bounce	worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: most of the struggle revolves around a particular set of hardware, won't be of much interest to other people	[23:18]
jurov	thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.	[23:18]
thickasthieves	casino is derpy?	[23:18]
thickasthieves	you are also collecting bitcoins from bad traders	[23:18]
jurov	coinbr mostly dried up this year	[23:18]
asciilifeform	(anyone who uses gentoo, see recent logs for systemd exorcism notes)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).	[23:19]
bounce	it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 10000000 ** (1/170)	[23:19]
gribble	1.09945249861	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	10% a year. how about that.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	bounce telegraph, baby. no voice is being discussed.	[23:19]
jurov	thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	it took 170 years to go from 1 baud to 10mn baud.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	who had 1 baud at home 170y ago ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	morse?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	everyone living next to morse lol	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1.5 ** 170	[23:21]
gribble	862013444619732718146971238400	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	gimme a break.	[23:21]
thickasthieves	jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss	[23:21]
thickasthieves	amiright?	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves nah	[23:21]
asciilifeform	want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	(hey, you said - bandwidth. not latency.)	[23:25]
punkman	dronedisks	[23:25]
jurov	blockchain bombardment	[23:25]
asciilifeform	'c' is ultimate limit for latency, anyway, sans martian physics	[23:25]
bounce	;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)	[23:25]
gribble	1.00000000024e+14	[23:25]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king	[23:26]
asciilifeform	wagon in catapult, sure.	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	bounce 100tb ? nuts, but perhaps THIS side of nuts.	[23:27]
bounce	in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:28]
bounce	but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	EXACTLY.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	"hey, it's got porn"	[23:28]
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mircea_popescu	by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.	[23:29]
jurov	3d rendered pr0n	[23:29]
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bounce	well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	"full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.	[23:30]
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bounce	uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,	[23:31]
jurov	i just referred to "to make sluts look good"	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	jurov :p	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.	[23:32]
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bounce	oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,	[23:34]
bounce	so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	"bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"	[23:34]
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mircea_popescu	it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.	[23:35]
bounce	could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.	[23:35]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing	[23:35]
jurov	i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	what is going to HALF it to a minute ? by next year ?	[23:35]
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jurov	we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space	[23:36]
*	bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	ACT, i wil consider it.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	and this one fails on a number of grounds	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	so... it's not happening.	[23:37]
bounce	though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	cuz who the fuck has the time for video.	[23:38]
fluffypony	I uh	[23:38]
fluffypony	uh	[23:38]
fluffypony	http://vimeo.com/107435702	[23:38]
assbot	Lesley the Pony Has an A+ Day! on Vimeo	[23:38]
fluffypony	I have no words	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:38]
fluffypony	it's beautiful	[23:38]
*	bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background	[23:38]
BingoBoingo	skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	is that the guy that was arguing with assbot ?	[23:39]
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mircea_popescu	what, he's a core ranger now too ?	[23:39]
bounce	this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	bounce: bitcoinstats.com	[23:39]
jurov	bounce http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/	[23:39]
assbot	BitcoinStats	[23:39]
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BingoBoingo	http://pastebin.com/vy9PQGqm	[23:41]
assbot	07:09 wumpus Luke-Jr: YOU BROKE github-merge.sh 07:09 wumpus I guess I shou - Pastebin.com	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	and for the kids following at home : http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/SAM-4-samantha-fox-7878744-363-500.jpg << this is samantha fox. for a year or two she was probably the most jacked off to woman in teh world.	[23:42]
BingoBoingo	ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs	[23:43]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo jesus i pity the sane people there.	[23:44]
Azelphur	just had an amazing offer courtesy of EA https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=91dcb0ad261c2801ce58e33974e57a4a	[23:44]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[23:44]
assbot	ownCloud	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur going to be a game dev ?	[23:44]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P	[23:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Who knew we'd all be appreciating assbot's !up !down so much nao	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	yeah it grows on one	[23:46]
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punkman	http://www.tipiti.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1972.-Lena-S%C3%B6derberg-p1047.jpg	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	punkman butt approved!	[23:52]
punkman	http://www.famousboard.com/threads/6563-Lenna-Sj%C3%B6%C3%B6blom	[23:54]
assbot	Lenna Sjblom nude pics @ FamousBoard	[23:54]
punkman	quite famous	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	first lady of teh internets neh ?	[23:54]
punkman	she's got my vote	[23:54]
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kakobrekla	!s vultr	[23:57]
assbot	0 results for 'vultr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vultr	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!	[23:59]

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