Forum logs for 07 Nov 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: LOL Radix. When White Nationalists learn big words and pretend to be academics. [06:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cryptome is a little odwn ? [06:43]
mircea_popescu: PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? [06:43]
mircea_popescu: can anyone think of any possible reason thestringpuller is actually voiced here ? i've just about had it, the snr ratio is by my count exactly 0, if you got something i wanna hear it plox. [06:46]
Framedragger: i personally don't see how he is doing any worse in terms of snr as compared so some others. (e.g., myself that's probably not an argument that is very favourable to me, but anyway). don't see why you are suddenly so fussed. [06:52]
Framedragger: unless it wasn't 'sudden' in the first place [06:52]
mircea_popescu: the fundamental difference is that you do things. [06:57]
thestringpuller: I've always had beef with Radix, we gonna start arguing about white nationalism again? [07:03]
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit. the linked article is actually pretty good your categorical judgements don't interest me in the slightest, because in the five or so years you've been hanging around you did exactly nothing i can recall. anyone here can write a script to be you in an evening and that'd be the end of the matter. [07:05]
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust deedbot thestringpuller [07:05]
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 6 by 6 connections. [07:05]
mircea_popescu: !!ratings thestringpuller [07:06]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/92zcf/?raw=true [07:06]
mircea_popescu: gah i always confuse these [07:06]
mircea_popescu: !!reputation thestringpuller [07:06]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/p0nxy/?raw=true [07:06]
mircea_popescu: !!unrate thestringpuller [07:07]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/xavcr/?raw=true [07:07]
mircea_popescu: !!v 14DF7639933EDBA02C6ED9C20C0FA88CE94E1C2BB670BE77B7F870598FB984A5 [07:07]
deedbot: mircea_popescu unrated thestringpuller. [07:07]
thestringpuller: yea. when i dived in eulora code and was told "this is a supermodel" i kinda started to question quite a bit, but okay! [07:08]
mircea_popescu: !~step4 [07:11]
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. [07:11]
thestringpuller: ~> [07:16]
diana_coman: thestringpuller, I doubt you dived into eulora code it was probably planeshift code you dived into and nobody said as far as I know that planeshift was any sort of supermodel [07:17]
mircea_popescu: no, he engaged into a bunch of pages of commentary on the margins of trilema articles is what he means. [07:18]
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how one could be here this long AND STILL the slightest "go do shit, young man" fails to rub on their wings, but here it is. [07:18]
Framedragger: i consider his blog to be a public service [07:18]
trinque: diana_coman: "you don't do anything" -> "your mother is a whore" [07:18]
trinque: all that was [07:18]
mircea_popescu: it was ? [07:19]
trinque: his jawing about eulora [07:19]
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous, he's found the dude to play the escalation game with. [07:19]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lemme spell this out without prejudice to you personally, here's how things go : communication is either enligthening the inferiors or beseeching the superiors. there IS NO SUCH THING AS EQUALITY. not in nature, ain't found. it's true that people may opt to abstractly, exactly in the way of any other ~delusion~, deem each other equals, perhaps on the basis that look, yesterday i was the superior he was beseechi [07:24]
mircea_popescu: ng and today he is the superior i am beseeching so let's call it a wash as this seems likely to repeat in the future. but this is fantasy, not reality. nothing wrong with it, by itself but also not something found in nature. [07:24]
mircea_popescu: communication to your superiors always carries a cost. if you write to your professor to ask him a bunch of dumb questions you're going to hear from him and if you try to disguise your questions as aything but questions, you belong expelled. there can not possibly be any other interaction between you and him. similarly with the other magisters, if you write your lawyer he will want 500 bux just to open the letter. for this [07:24]
mircea_popescu: reason. [07:24]
mircea_popescu: kids who go to real college where they learn real science also learn intrinsically this, that to asq a question is to beg for money, and to disguise your questions as anything else is felonious. so they get an over-active self censor. meanwhile the idiots who do not go to real college, but to fake empire college learn that they can overpower their better peers through sheer gab. because "human rights" and "freedom of speech" [07:26]
mircea_popescu: and an entire deluge of words words words. [07:26]
mircea_popescu: i ain't about to stand for it. the politicos get to pay per line for their existence. everyone else is free to say whatever the fuck. which is exactly why i'm not counting your snr, but i am counting his. [07:26]
Framedragger: hm, well, understood. [07:28]
Framedragger: thanks for clarifying [07:29]
mircea_popescu: dun mention it. [07:29]
PeterL: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2016#2189812 << do you mean the crypto.me link? looks like it is a problem on the archive.is end, bot submitted link and got back error, I just tried to submit the link manually and got error [08:09]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 11:43 mircea_popescu: PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? [08:09]
mircea_popescu: myeah, the whole stack fell over / [08:09]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, check out robert reich : his latest https://archive.is/khty2 reprinted verbatim by salon, this aspiring qntra of velleity. [09:08]
mircea_popescu: for the curious : salon (QTCQB:SLNM) was made by some derpy journos fired by 2nd rate san francisco outlets back in 1994. they "explored the web" accruing ~100mn dollars in losses by the end of the dotcom bubble. it is still unprofitable to this day, if more moderately, losing a few million each year hence. [09:15]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/HuZpy << this was a genuine pwnhole but the style of writing is quite peculiar. [09:18]
mircea_popescu: the bid is 0.00021367, the ask is 0.0003418, there's no open bids, there's no daily range, the average volume for the past 30 days is 139, worth about four bitcents give or take, or in other words a tiny fraction of qntra's (MPEX:S.QNTR) 1.1999952 btc. [09:18]
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-nov-2016#2189812 << the reason, appears, is that j. young has joined the list of derps who deliberately block archive.is [09:20]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 11:43 mircea_popescu: PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? [09:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh. slug fears naught more than salt eh. [09:20]
mircea_popescu: (to round up the salon discussion : exactly nothing has changed since 2013, http://archive.is/FSDm9 ) [09:21]
asciilifeform: iirc the original d00d by that name may even have lost his head last year, and replaced with a ???. [09:21]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563290 << eh he did write a bunch of fairly good qntras [09:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 12:18 mircea_popescu: no, he engaged into a bunch of pages of commentary on the margins of trilema articles is what he means. [09:26]
mircea_popescu: i've no complaints with that. [09:26]
asciilifeform: e.g., http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ [09:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had nfi firewire is in the kernel. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck. [09:32]
asciilifeform: it's a driver !! [09:32]
asciilifeform: where didja think it lived. [09:32]
mircea_popescu: he means like optional module you gotta rebuild the kernel to get yes ? [09:32]
asciilifeform: well yes, most drivers end up as mods in linux traditionally [09:32]
* BingoBoingo wondering if FUCKGOATS are indoor or outdoor pets, and what their feeding requirements are [09:33]
asciilifeform: but if you use 'african' linuxen, you have 'all' possible mods [09:33]
mircea_popescu: so then it's not actually in the kernel, unless by "the kernel" you mean "this binary blob maker of firewire hardware provides" [09:33]
mircea_popescu: i guess that's a point, huh. i c. [09:33]
asciilifeform: let's rephrase, unless you built own kernel, rationally, it is probably in yours, whether you want or not [09:34]
mircea_popescu: right. why they don't use the actual words that exist for the purpose of describing the situation, "it's a kernel module", even should it be qualified with "ubiquitous" or whatever i haven't the slightest idea. [09:34]
mircea_popescu: this "i can't fucking read" problem is getting worse / [09:34]
mircea_popescu: upon re-read, this is almost interesting - the problem is the single sentence "The official fix was merged yesterday into the linux kernel, and so I can know talk freely about it.", which could in principle be reinterpreted to read his intended meaning into it. otherwise he's actually very proper in expression. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 5 volts. [09:40]
BingoBoingo: Nice volts! [09:41]
asciilifeform: there is a substantial difference b/w the linux that a literate user, with some notion of hygiene, ends up with, and 'africa', and the treatment of modules is part of it [09:43]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/clinton-thug-janet-reno-dies/ << Qntra - Clinton Thug Janet Reno Dies [09:54]
BingoBoingo: ^ Possible dementia motivated Arkencide? [09:56]
shinohai: Good God I thought that woman was well past her expiration date anyway. [09:57]
mircea_popescu: microwbrew owl sez wut ?! http://68.media.tumblr.com/433efab7e70612a97cf3e62acba1435c/tumblr_mxwy47HBdW1sc0fxyo1_1280.jpg [09:58]
mircea_popescu: in other news, roflmao at the ustards. "newt gingrich is positioning himself to benefit from trump". what the everloving fuck, the dude is 70. meanwhile at the democrat side, "oh, once clinton wins elizabeth warren should say she'll run against her in 2020 if she's not bold and progressive enough". nigga, what the fuck, warren, other than being a total ditz, was born 1949. she will be seventy by 2020. [10:33]
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous, what the fuck is a 70yo gonna do ? lead ? what, the bathroom beeline ? [10:33]
BingoBoingo: Well, this election cycle they run for the Presidency it seems. [10:33]
mircea_popescu: go the fuck home, raise some grandkids, work a garden. there's such a thing as retirement. for a fucking reason. [10:33]
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't hire a 70yo sales manager, why the fuck would i tolerate a 70yo politician ? go home. [10:34]
mircea_popescu: the age for that is late 40s to early 60s, not fucking 70+. [10:34]
mircea_popescu: the republic of geriatry. [10:34]
BingoBoingo: But no, talking about Newt and Warren given the "me generation" (i.e. babyboomers) hope that they are still useful at their slighlty lesser but still advanced age. [10:34]
mircea_popescu: ridoinculous. [10:35]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563349 << eh we've all seen this film before [10:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 15:34 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't hire a 70yo sales manager, why the fuck would i tolerate a 70yo politician ? go home. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: aha [10:55]
BingoBoingo: 80's but rotated. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: then again after their experience with bahamas... [10:57]
mircea_popescu: this john lackland of the modern era... [10:57]
asciilifeform: speaking of this, in case anyone missed, clitler was Officially absolved of all sins and issued indulgence by obummer's lead inquisitor, etc. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: aha. i have nfi why they thought this is a +ev move, but whatever. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: bureaucrats are not noted for their brainpower. [11:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate why this was losing move..? [11:02]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> speaking of this, in case anyone missed, clitler was Officially absolved of all sins and issued indulgence by obummer's lead inquisitor, etc. << No, charges were once declined to be recommended at this time. Notably not an acquital. [11:02]
mircea_popescu: nobody who thinks she's guilty changed his mind thereby nobody who thought the system is corrupt changed his mind thereby. what exactly does it deliver ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu: the fact that she was absolved makes more of a case against her than if they just let it lie. [11:02]
mircea_popescu: could have declared same a week after coronation. [11:02]
asciilifeform: it delivers the sheeple, who see it as absolution. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: lmao right. those who do would have already voted anyway. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the point here is that it's insanely hard for system men to come to terms with the realisation that the system is doing more harm than good. after all if they believed that they wouldn't be in it in the first place. so they're bound, by the insane logic that castrates them,. to also believe that proclaiming clinton innocent actually helps her. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: it doesn't, but then again what did they ever do that actually made their lives better ? [11:14]
asciilifeform: well, just as with the last 'system' and its children, this one took a buncha folk who ought to have grown up washing the decks on godforsaken rusty freighters, or playing piano in whorehouses, and raised them onto suburban thrones, 'macmansions', 'professorships', etc. [11:19]
asciilifeform: so from the pov of the eaters - yes, benefited. [11:19]
asciilifeform: how else. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: as in they're substantially defective anyway ? [11:19]
asciilifeform: why do you suppose they measure ~any~ political setup from the pov of how far it lifts defectives out of their station ?? [11:20]
asciilifeform: that'd be why. [11:20]
mircea_popescu: it's a motley crew, some are deeply inept, like say the journowhore ("new york elite"!!!) woman that got kicked out. it's a wonder why the few and far between competent ones accept to sit at that table. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: then again, they mostly don't, just as soon as stole enough to take off they take off. [11:21]
asciilifeform: here's one local example from the nowhere company town where asciilifeform lives. at one time uni of md was on cost-cutting spree (as usual, quite selectively, but see below) and merged ~all~ of the sciences into 1 mega-department - chemistry, microbiology, physics, etc. all under 1 roof [11:22]
asciilifeform: then the idea of doing the same to the 'womanities' was floated [11:22]
asciilifeform: and there was epic butthurt, almost as if they had suggested gassing the jews or whatnot [11:22]
mircea_popescu: heh [11:22]
asciilifeform: how RACIST [11:22]
asciilifeform: the idea! [11:22]
asciilifeform: of firing a bunch of monkeys redundantly appointed in 101 various 'studies' depts. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: it's altogether unclear the "social" "sciences" actually have reason to hold a chair at all. and this includes ALL of them : physchology, economy, what have you. [11:23]
asciilifeform: end result, monkeys - kept their jobs, every one, and have busily created more of themselves for past 5 yrs or so since this incident [11:23]
mircea_popescu: free food! [11:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'reason' in this case is that they are the politruks. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: that's not much reason. it is a cause, obviously, but that's a different story. [11:24]
trinque: clitler was only ever going to be prosecuted if the hairdo gets into office. that hasn't changed. [11:24]
mircea_popescu: the logic is judicious from the pov of socialist empire : the marginal utility of stem is actually nil, because whatever rocket they invent the russkis will steal and the chinese will make cheaper anyway whereas the marginal utility of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563151 is manifest : however many are needed to brew a head of fucktoys required by bill de blasio to forget the monkey at home. [11:25]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 15:22 mircea_popescu: epstein is one of many such squires, let's call them. the squire's estate consists of a brothel, which may be obv multiple physical locations but generally arranged in a star pattern, a harvesting operation, his connections to the democrat party (in this case via abedin-clinton-obama). he doesn't do his own marketing, the people running the whole thing do. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: the per-hooker value to bill is quantifiable, 20 bux or whatever and then this splits up into per-social-scientist benefit of whatever, fiddy cents. meanwhile the per-discovery value to bill is unquantifiable, and if quantified usually comes to ~0. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: so filling the field with "social science" tards is very reasonable, in that logic. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: there's a reason medieval empires always included sumptuary laws, which prevented the margins from benefitting from the discoveries/technologies. yes this has a cost in terms of aggregate productivity, BUT that cost can, and in practice usually is, offset by the benefit in political structuring. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: if the only way to get an ipad were to be on the list approved by bill, then bill'd have a direct incentive to fill u-of-m with physics dudes. [11:29]
mircea_popescu: if there's free flow of tech, then his only incentive is to optimize for max whoredom. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: which in the end is just another statement of that ancient observation that "our" modern democracy is cancer. [11:32]
asciilifeform: btw it is not clear to me that whoredom 'incubator' has to be in same building as physics [11:32]
asciilifeform: in su these were largely separate concerns. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: the problem there starts with the fact that human brain has fixed single attention span. [11:33]
asciilifeform: (there were factory dormitories etc. full of gurlz) [11:33]
mircea_popescu: so there's ever only one building. [11:33]
asciilifeform: well, 'dumb orcs' had 2, explain that. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: dumb orcs had a very feudal system of allocating the cunt - whereby the pretty ones would be married off and then used by the guy's bosses. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: this mostly worked that way because anticonceptional issues. [11:34]
mircea_popescu: (ie, soviets saw themselves as a national state, not as a mongrel empire. consequently population must be produced, can't be imported. consequently, all women must marry and bear 2.x children. consequently etc all the way down) [11:35]
mircea_popescu: whereas english speaking world on the contrary, is still a reimplementation (5th ?) of the "angevin empire", ie that ridoinculous construction of the house of plantagenet, kings in england, dukes of normandy and aquitanie, counts of anjou etc etc. [11:36]
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/thats-how-you-punish-a-dude/ << Daniel P. Barron - That’s how you punish a dude! [11:37]
shinohai: One day jhvh1 will have a mircea_popescu version of the Bible. It's so much more concise. [11:42]
mircea_popescu: not necessarily better for this reason [11:42]
mircea_popescu: (for one thing in that it is variant - next time i might tell the same anecdote an entirely different way) [11:43]
shinohai: Well it took 4 gospels to tell the story of Jesus. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: four to six. [11:44]
shinohai: (Not counting those cursed Apocryphal worx) [11:44]
mircea_popescu: which ones ? [11:44]
shinohai: Gospel of Barnabas [11:45]
shinohai: I have forgotten the number of gospels that weren't accepted into the canon [11:46]
mircea_popescu: yes yes, 6 reduces to 4, but which two to cut [11:46]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563395 << this is not a wholly-correct model because it presumes honest physics etc. depts. [11:50]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 16:27 mircea_popescu: the per-hooker value to bill is quantifiable, 20 bux or whatever and then this splits up into per-social-scientist benefit of whatever, fiddy cents. meanwhile the per-discovery value to bill is unquantifiable, and if quantified usually comes to ~0. [11:50]
asciilifeform: they have own, very similar, wholly usg-powered racket. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: what clothes the whores wear that year dun really enter in this discussion. point being reals vs "humanities". [11:52]
mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population. [11:53]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [11:53]
mircea_popescu: and certainly 1/1000000 the "carbon". [11:53]
PeterL: From American "News": "major Wall Street analysts agree that the S&P 500 will likely sell off if Donald Trump wins, and at least hold gains if Hillary Clinton wins." << DOOM will befall you unless you elect our chosen leader! [12:25]
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/EFLbE << in other lulz, the losing side dreams too! bahamas on supreme court! stuffs! [12:25]
asciilifeform: PeterL: this was proclaimed ages ago, and regularly (~monthly) like clockwork. [12:26]
mircea_popescu: PeterL pretty sure that's accurate. lotta money gotta move if trump is in charge. [12:26]
asciilifeform: they even tested the 'panic' button a couplea times in past few years [12:26]
asciilifeform: disguised as 'technical problem' or what it was. [12:26]
mircea_popescu: of course, most of this "money" isn't much more substantial than the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling through their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep. [12:27]
mircea_popescu: but fwiw. [12:27]
mircea_popescu: !!up ZfhOkIvS [12:28]
deedbot: ZfhOkIvS voiced for 30 minutes. [12:28]
PeterL: that Robert Reich looks like a smug self-righteous bastard. [12:28]
mircea_popescu: neener. [12:28]
mircea_popescu: PeterL mostly because he is, [12:29]
PeterL: ok, I'm glad it is not just me that can see it [12:29]
mircea_popescu: hes got a thing about why "we" "need" universal basic income too , complete with tedtalk-esque blockletters and whatnot. [12:29]
PeterL: 5. In her inaugural address, Hillary Clinton promises to “wrest back control of our democracy and economy from the moneyed interests that have taken over both.” << how many different ways can the socialists say "seize the means of production"? [12:30]
mircea_popescu: heh. [12:30]
asciilifeform: ~nobody in usa has seen, felt, touched, or smelled, 'actual' money, since ~fdr. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the knees apart bar, http://68.media.tumblr.com/18857c47e784768a830b8babfdb25a8e/tumblr_n5ywzhJ4kh1qequ10o1_1280.jpg [12:31]
asciilifeform: so it is not as if this particular batch of monopoly money were somehow ~more~ chumpatronic than the usual. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sort that moves the vax etc is by far the most chumpatronic. [12:31]
asciilifeform: and woah, is that... baba yaga, on the left ! [12:32]
mircea_popescu: trivial to show there's degrees of chumpatronic-ness of "money". take dollars as cash : they can be spent (while supplies last), they're basically equivalent to one of those coupons. [12:32]
asciilifeform: she needs to drink moar young blood, the face is starting to run [12:32]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile dollars as profits... can't be spent. they gotta be "realized" first which is a sterilizing gate (the sterilisation is called taxation for no sane reason, it's not a tax) [12:33]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile dollars as speculation... have to be booked as profits! before they can be realised. that's two degrees. [12:33]
mircea_popescu: it's more intricate than this, but should suffice to show that not all dollars are equally vaporous. [12:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bad angle/bad light, i'm pretty sure. [12:34]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since previous offering was rejected, here's more in the red cups : http://68.media.tumblr.com/23265b3bff12d4015d96c4a28373e7ac/tumblr_n7kruqyuG11stjm8io1_1280.jpg [12:35]
PeterL: "10. Rupert Murdoch fires Sean Hannity from Fox News." << this one I would also like to see happen [12:37]
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - the "sterilizing gate" view is a perfectly fine way to look at bitcoin prices. normal usd-land profits need to shed about half to two thirds before they can enter the economic circuit without blowing things up (too badly) meanwhile bitcoin has to expand NO LESS than 700x.) [12:39]
mircea_popescu: PeterL wouldn't he just move over to the next station for prolly more money ? [12:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me that this is the most parsimonious model -- chumpatronicity is not as such a property of individual dollars, any more than ZIL-buying ability was a property of particular rubles in 1980. it is more that the actual coin of the realm - is something else [12:41]
mircea_popescu: how you mean ? [12:41]
asciilifeform: as in the old mircea_popescu article, where, e.g., buffett cannot send his dollar to isis, but king saud - can, etc [12:42]
asciilifeform: (on account of being different types of animal, rather than simply happening upon bags of different types of dollar) [12:42]
asciilifeform: or as in the 'this is my family rembrandt' thread. [12:43]
mircea_popescu: obviously it depends what you mean by "actual". if you mean nude object, then sure, any dollars that made their way to venus may be appreciated aesthetically by the venusians, and therefore they weren't really intrinsically chumpatronic. but in the system as it is, defined historically and therefore enclosed, it can be said the zil-buying ability is a paritcular property of rubles q rubles. [12:44]
asciilifeform: this really being how 'universal market' is an illusion, like newtonian mechanics, and, e.g., ben_vulpes's house, if sold, does not buy $epsilon gram of plutonium, but 0 gram. [12:44]
asciilifeform: whereas a suggestively worded letter from, perhaps, mircea_popescu, buys several kg, for less than ben_vulpes's car might fetch. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: yes but i was discussing degrees on one side of 0 and you seem to be discussing degrees on the other side. let's build a reconciled continuum : speculative gains (-3) -booking-> profits (-2) -realizing-> corporate cash (-1) -donation,salary,etc-> cash(0) -relations-> food (1) -connections-> cunt (2) -expertise-> plutonium (3) [12:46]
mircea_popescu: from -3 to +3 there's a buncha layers. [12:46]
mircea_popescu: company's 50 bux can not buy a democrat posters, your 50 bux can, but they can't buy you a goat in afghanistan. [12:46]
asciilifeform: i cannot dispute (largely from lack of direct exposure to the venus in question) the ordering, but only mechanism [12:46]
PeterL: mircea_popescu Nobody would pay Hannity more than Fox News, he might get a tiny gig on a local place or something [12:47]
mircea_popescu: PeterL how do you reason ? [12:47]
PeterL: Fox News is the biggest "red team" media outlet, nobody from "blue team" is going to give the blowhard a job [12:48]
mircea_popescu: i thought breitbart was [12:48]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i tried, and failed, to turn up thread in l0gz, with -- incidentally -- thestringpuller, iirc, where i noted that i could buy a large quantity of, e.g., bricks, but 0 lsd. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: you could buy lsd just fine, you just dun want to. but w/e, argument is rescuable replacing the lsd for nuke firing assemblages or w/e. [12:49]
asciilifeform: because real-life market is more analogous to those old strategy games where you don't just need gold, but also 'mana' etc. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: this is because you lack expertise, which always comes embodied in cunts, which you acquired through your connections, which you built on your food. [12:50]
asciilifeform: replace with whichever. (whoever does not want to take asciilifeform's word , that , e.g., lsd is quite same as nuke detonator from his pov, obviously does not have to) [12:50]
mircea_popescu: see the discussion re the expensive girl, where was it [12:50]
asciilifeform: sure, but they are not fungible / convertible units. just as redditard cannot be converted to mircea_popescu-class by feeding him same food. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 << there [12:50]
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" [12:50]
mircea_popescu: that's expertise. [12:51]
asciilifeform: but also where mircea_popescu's 7k buys what bill blasio's 77k do not buy. [12:51]
asciilifeform: nor buffett's 777. [12:52]
mircea_popescu: and in these terms, a very simple explanation of why the republic is indefeatable is very simply forthcoming : given two users a and b who, through division of labour, have expertise in fields f1 and f2, the empire path for a to access f2 or for b to access f1 is to take some money all the way from -3 to 3 TWICE. whereas the republican model simply has a talk to b, on the mediation of a gossipd/wot [12:52]
asciilifeform: well, an old trabant-engine powered empire, cannot win against spherical frictionless gossipd, no. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: it fundamentally changes the role of money, in many ways, but i suspect this may be the most notable. [12:53]
mircea_popescu: currently all this +/- cycling is pretty harmful to the containment vessels. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a complicated point that you bring. just how equal are the 7 77 and 777 ? consider - for all their money, rando "tech start-up" couldn't afford an engineer that didn't suck to do their w/e, database, sysadmining, w/e. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: but really, they... couldn't ? obviously, in point of fact they didn't, and the assumption that didn't because couldn't is sound, but nevertheless, you can actually hire competent engineers. [12:56]
mircea_popescu: so why didn't they ? [12:57]
mircea_popescu: to some degree because some tasks are so idiotic the sane people wouldn't accept them for all the money in the workd. but then why do the tasks have to be that idiotic ? [12:57]
asciilifeform: same reason they don't hire competent, e.g., jet pilot, for sv startup [12:57]
asciilifeform: it is wholly orthogonal to their extraction model [12:58]
mircea_popescu: "because that is the nature of the beast", evidently. still.. [12:58]
asciilifeform: competent engineer is pure cost, for sv derp, and 0 win [12:58]
mircea_popescu: this is then a systematic reason, which a certain sort of esl anthropologist would call "cultural", but which can be readily brought back to money : because the only dollars they have can be used to pay rents, but they don't have the kind of bill that pays for engineers. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to the issue : they have -2 currency, it's not realised. and it has a long way to go to +2. [12:59]
mircea_popescu: imagine as he sat in the bunker listening to the first artillery bombardments audible from berlin, hitler got a wire from bundesbank that the venusians just deposited 11 billiards marks in the eternal reich's account. [13:00]
mircea_popescu: "that's nice... but if there were any gasoline those billiards could buy, we'd have requisitioned it already, so..." [13:01]
asciilifeform: well, if these were convertible to swiss franks, and then into swedish steel in '42, or american petrol in '40, there would have been no 'bunker moment'. [13:01]
mircea_popescu: military commanders are very keenly aware of this spin factor of "money" which they call resources. [13:01]
mircea_popescu: ah yes. if only state had a dozen whores on the ground in stevastopol in 2006, they wouldn't have been humiliated in 2014. or at any rate wouldn't have wasted bn trying to grow a child in nine weeks. [13:02]
mircea_popescu: yes, the spin changes are time-limited. [13:03]
asciilifeform: other than this, it is an elementary, kindergarten 'you can't eat money' observation [13:03]
mircea_popescu: aha. [13:03]
asciilifeform: (as a boy, when i read that a messerschmitt-whatever cost R reichsmarks, it blew my mind, 'why did hitler need money ?!??') [13:04]
mircea_popescu: hitler needed money for the exact same reason henry 2 needed it : so as to make the nobles compete. [13:04]
mircea_popescu: otherwise everyone's love is endless and support unwavering. [13:05]
asciilifeform: i do not find it puzzling ~today~ that he needed it. [13:05]
asciilifeform: just that it was an educational moment, when i first thought about why. [13:05]
mircea_popescu: ) [13:05]
asciilifeform: (mostly unrealatedly, and strictly for the entomologically-inclined, mega-derp in old #b-a re phork warz etc.) [13:06]
asciilifeform: *unrelatedly [13:06]
mircea_popescu: who's forking ? [13:07]
asciilifeform: prb, who. [13:07]
asciilifeform: with enthusiastic applause from kako et al. [13:08]
asciilifeform: (summary: usg's most recent attempt to pound in the cock 'halfway', 'segwit', consists of prb churning out txen that result in 'anyone can spend' from trb pov, but miners are to 'agree never to process counter-softforkian tx', a la 'timelock' etc) [13:11]
mircea_popescu: lol k [13:22]
mircea_popescu: obviously that money's up for grabs. [13:23]
asciilifeform: was subj of thread, 'how up' [13:25]
mircea_popescu: well, it slowly builds, until the miners defect. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: the dorks built themselves a ratchet-charged capacitor. eventually it scintillates. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: im sure nobody had the sense to create a "total payout to defecting miners" watch, because hey, they're "developers" not thinkers. [13:27]
asciilifeform: alternatively, can putter along like the timelock crap, with the pot always just-below the magical threshold for +ev. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: depending on how many redditards actually use it. [13:27]
asciilifeform: to paraphrase barnum, it is quite difficult to lose money when betting on the poverty of redditards aggregate. [13:27]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, a 51% attack doesn't even have to skin the lamb. it can just fleece it (respend all the segwit coins up to point x, retroactively invalidating any txn that ever rely on their proceeds) AND THEN agree to "never to process counter txn" for the future. [13:29]
mircea_popescu: so you know, they can do it again later on. [13:29]
asciilifeform: well it also has to remain unorphaned, just like any other [13:29]
mircea_popescu: 51% attack is not orphaned by definition. [13:30]
asciilifeform: (and incidentally i suspect that you do not need anything like 51% for demolition of 'segwit' and other 'soft' idiocies, but just enough to feedback 'arse-mouth' and buy moar cycles immediately) [13:30]
mircea_popescu: anyway. it significantly weakens trb, which they're more than welcome to. [13:30]
mircea_popescu: doh. prb i mean. [13:31]
asciilifeform: lel [13:31]
asciilifeform: i was about to 'do we have rockets ROLLING OFF CONVEYER LIKE SAUSAGES!111' yet [13:31]
mircea_popescu: "consumers expect more like docker, systemd and ethereum!" [13:31]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you were right, dork didn't publish mah racist&divisive comment. a well! [13:32]
asciilifeform: the prb gambit, as far as i can tell, is to siphon as much coin as possible into a must-use-prb parallel world [13:33]
asciilifeform: creating 'kakos' with emotional buy-in on account of their entire stash being bound up in the spider silk [13:33]
mircea_popescu: this is a very welcome strategy. [13:34]
asciilifeform: ( the other prong of the front is the attempt to make trb difficult to use reliably by preventing effective quarantine of derp nodes and their tx) [13:35]
asciilifeform: going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined. [13:38]
asciilifeform: (no moar mining of tx containing actual signature, vs 'anyone-can-spend' crapolade.) [13:39]
mircea_popescu: eh ? [13:39]
asciilifeform: 'segwit' scheme [13:39]
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this isn't true. [13:40]
mircea_popescu: if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it. [13:40]
asciilifeform: it would appear to be true, in that chinese cockroach can pack more sigless txen into a block than proper ones. [13:41]
asciilifeform: cockroach goes to where the sugar is. [13:41]
trinque: it'd be worth thinking about how sort-by-fee affects that. [13:41]
asciilifeform: in their single-neuroned brain, 'sort by fee' + 'no sigs' >ev> 'sort by fee' plain. [13:42]
asciilifeform: just as american airlines would remove passenger's legs if they could. [13:42]
trinque: "if they could" is operative there [13:42]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought breitbart was << It's a transitional state, sorta a turning over of the compost pile this year. [13:43]
asciilifeform: it is not, admittedly, clear to me whether they are palpably aware of the cost of such a move. [13:43]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what means 'peg it' ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's rather simple : i won't upgrade, this means i'm not recognizing segwit txn until they are bridged over. [13:44]
mircea_popescu: it has perfectly fine chances to fizzle in the ver fashion, where some dorks somewhere keep insisting this thing is happening. [13:44]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to peg as in a currency, 1 trb = 1 prb to start. may devalue as time goes by of course. [13:45]
asciilifeform: this, as i understand, means to launch the rockets [13:45]
mircea_popescu: eh. [13:45]
asciilifeform: in that, unless you run the deliberate separator funnel described in 'missile crisis', your own stash becomes entangled in both forkchains [13:46]
mircea_popescu: it's really just building prb complexity for no benefit. i can directly pay to them, they can't pay to me without adding an intermediate step where they desegwit. [13:46]
mircea_popescu: how ? [13:46]
asciilifeform: to have separate market, as in 'x prb == y trb coin', they gotta be circulatable separately [13:47]
asciilifeform: and, unconnectedly, there is the problem of 'miners collectively refuse signed txen' [13:47]
asciilifeform: which seems like 'nobrainer', they have no reason to accept'em that fits in their 1-neuron roach brains. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: this is connected. simmer down and stop confusing yourself. you said : <asciilifeform> going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined. and i said <mircea_popescu> if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it. [13:48]
mircea_popescu: it isn't true, for one thing if it is true, however, the the separation is there. [13:48]
asciilifeform: for my education, describe the mechanics -- e.g., mircea_popescu will mine it himself ? [13:48]
asciilifeform: .. or, some unaligned faction, will mine ? [13:49]
mircea_popescu: just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere. [13:49]
asciilifeform: ok so peg using ancient currencies ? [13:49]
mircea_popescu: a peg is a peg. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: anyway. if we were to bother with this we'd best fix all the other problems too, so the current miners wouldn't be able to mine trb anyway. [13:51]
asciilifeform: that, as i understand, is the 'nuke' on the rocket, it works best by derps being 'shown the instruments of torment' rather than by setting off [13:52]
mircea_popescu: why ? i'd rather have a cs-based bicoin with the described node-miner issues resolved (as described) [13:52]
mircea_popescu: infinitely more valuable than continuing to pretend the various redditards are "developers" and "involved" in bitcoin. [13:53]
asciilifeform: imho spec was quite spiffy but did not contain sufficient ddt against insects, e.g, pools remain possible. [13:54]
asciilifeform: pools -- must die. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm not saying it was definitive or anything. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with making a general map of ib, discussions here tend to return to it now and again. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: eventually we'll have a full spec, at which point we'll be forking anyway. [13:55]
* asciilifeform in particular would like to see more thought re the 'mining is a curable disease' direction. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: (kinda a large part of what is propelling the idiot parade - by now they've realised that in point of fact a fork is inevitable, what varies is the when. we can't carry the satoshi warts forward forever.) [13:56]
asciilifeform: it imho is intrinsically insectronic, it rewards bare-crumb epsilon-+ev chasing insects at the expense of men. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: im not sure men are anything but. [13:56]
asciilifeform: the way i pictured bitcoin is that it is attempt at experimentally testing the hypothesis that some men are -- men, others -- roaches who were dropped into wrong bin by mistake [13:57]
asciilifeform: and can be wedged apart. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: evolutionary biology contradicts this hope. mankind is essentially an overgrown rat. [13:58]
asciilifeform: rat, imho, is better company than roach. (incidentally, i was walking in a 'posh' neighbourhood in washington, and saw -- what no one will believe, THOUSANDS of rats, not even around a rubbish pile, but in hedges, right in the earth, SWARMING) [13:59]
asciilifeform: i have only ever seen such scene in film before, where corpses in stalingrad etc. [13:59]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/LnEXk >> somehow this never gets old, 'let's give our 0days to usgapple, usgmicroshit, etc. for pennies on the dollar' yet-again [14:11]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am grossly familiar with wokeness theatrics [14:11]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-13#1237168 << see thread. [14:11]
a111: Logged on 2015-08-13 16:26 asciilifeform: vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market' [14:11]
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh the shit I never hear used in a sentence living in TX [14:12]
mircea_popescu: what's wokeness ? [14:12]
ben_vulpes: aaand, for no discernable reason, since the 10.?? -> 10.999 os x upgrade, bringing emacs to the front ROUTINELY results in multi-second beachballs, and emacs is now losing locks to itself [14:12]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "wokeness" is degree of buy-in to socialist dribble [14:13]
ben_vulpes: over eg laptop sleeps [14:13]
mircea_popescu: from... woks ? [14:13]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: alarm bell here rang weeks ago, Just Say No to the 'upgrade' [14:13]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: From "awake" related to the socialist left's SEW "Light Enlightenment Again!!!" wing [14:14]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you know that's not how things work [14:14]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why the everliving fuck not ? [14:14]
ben_vulpes: well let's backpedal: why on earth would anyone ever use a macintosh product? [14:15]
asciilifeform: i have a box here very similar to ben_vulpes's, 'mb pro' circa may '16. it is now probably running the same sw as when it will go to junkyard. [14:15]
mircea_popescu: holy shit i know nothing. [14:15]
* ben_vulpes is enjoying imagining mircea_popescu 's face [14:16]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but /why/ would you use an apple product? [14:16]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because i needed a lappy with 300 dpi lcd and working suspend mode ? [14:16]
mircea_popescu: do they mean the what, the religious enlightenment when it became dubious to have free sex ? [14:16]
ben_vulpes: we've disposed of this "laptop" "need" right? [14:17]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu -- disposed. mortals - not afaik [14:17]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: has entire gentoo cockpit iirc [14:17]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have a room full of various boxen [14:17]
asciilifeform: for various uses [14:17]
asciilifeform: (multiple, actually, rooms, but this is merely detail) [14:17]
trinque: can otherwise have malware shipping lenovo [14:18]
asciilifeform: got a few of these also ! [14:18]
trinque: lel, same here [14:18]
ben_vulpes: for the reprehensibly obstinate and misc log readers the only reason one could possibly *need* an apple box were if one came from such a bad life that producing builds for apple's walled garden was a regular requirement [14:19]
trinque: it's still the only portable not made of garbage [14:19]
ben_vulpes: and if you think you can do that with not-the-latest-xcode-and-os i have a build here that needs sucking through apple's garden hose [14:20]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've built winblows kernel drivers, for example, without a winblows box or any microshit software (yes, incl. the rsa signature) [14:20]
asciilifeform: so there is no reason why it could not, in principle, be done for crapple. [14:21]
asciilifeform: (or nintendo, etc.) [14:21]
ben_vulpes: go, build, sign, get accepted [14:21]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i was embroiled in iphonism, circa '10 or so, they only wanted a binary submission [14:22]
asciilifeform: this is no longer so ? [14:22]
mircea_popescu: they moved from binary through anal and now they only accept the banal. [14:22]
ben_vulpes: am i to reverse engineer which endpoint they want it at every time they upgrade "app uploader" or swizzle the delivery pipeline? [14:22]
mircea_popescu: in a word yes. [14:23]
trinque: the only correct broomstick move is not to sit [14:23]
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/9454dc4865803d733d08ae6d3c0489a8/tumblr_n7ecgp81WA1stjm8io1_1280.jpg [14:23]
ben_vulpes: lurking assumption is that it is possible to bring sanity to the compilation and signing process. [14:23]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i only pointed out, that microshit's nintendo ecosystem is in fact 'friendlier' to illicit devs than crapple's. [14:23]
ben_vulpes: no argument there [14:24]
ben_vulpes: but that box on the table is the thing that produces and signs builds, and when apple says upgrade, it gets upgraded because it's a day to unfuck the toolchain after they break it and some completely unknowable amount of time to reverse engineer whatever the fuck xcode is doing. [14:24]
phf: asciilifeform: that was the case since forever, but they not only ensure that you can't apple from outside, they also ensure that you have to be on the upgrades bandwagon. with my 10.9.5 i'm running into things that "require newever version" [14:25]
asciilifeform: enjoy, then, the nintendo. (or do as i did when i worked for usg and forced to use winblows xp box -- run gentoo/x11 in vmware, and emacs in ~that~...) [14:25]
ben_vulpes: xquartz needs some lovin too. [14:26]
ben_vulpes: somewhere in the back of my head i'm balancing the tradeoffs of continuing to use apple machines as ssh terminals into actually-usable machines vs cutting over to linux or a bsd wholesale [14:27]
mircea_popescu: and no flicker in emacs via gentoo via vmware ? [14:27]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not on the iron of the time, at least. [14:27]
asciilifeform: (starvation-cheap 'dell' boxen circa mid-00s) [14:28]
mircea_popescu: nb. [14:28]
mircea_popescu: somebody recently tried to play eulora via vm and got 0.5 fps for his trouble. [14:28]
asciilifeform: emacs dun need mega-fps [14:28]
asciilifeform: my center display atm is actually a 30hz [14:28]
mircea_popescu: flicker counts as about 40fps iirc ? [14:28]
asciilifeform: flicker is not about fps [14:28]
mircea_popescu: o.o [14:29]
asciilifeform: certainly not on lcd, which doesn't have phosphor decay [14:29]
mircea_popescu: that machine was lcd ? [14:29]
phf: flicker only happens on politruk machines [14:29]
asciilifeform: (crt gotta be redrawn at 100+hz or 'flicker' because it is now too often black. lcd -- not) [14:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was, several multi-$k lcd, at least in the last years [14:29]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> do they mean the what, the religious enlightenment when it became dubious to have free sex ? << When it became dubious to have sex for the purpose of white procreation. White girls may cary dark children, but white boys are best to stfu Elliot. Most "woke" trendpieces are white gurlz writing about how "woke" their infant children are. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: did you run a lcd off your starvation cheap dell in 2005 ?! [14:30]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only did i, but did it with those usb rasterizer dongles [14:30]
asciilifeform: (they are in the logs somewhere) [14:30]
mircea_popescu: your poor employer lol. [14:30]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol srsly ? [14:31]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563268 << the integral term is rather large at this point [14:31]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 11:46 mircea_popescu: can anyone think of any possible reason thestringpuller is actually voiced here ? i've just about had it, the snr ratio is by my count exactly 0, if you got something i wanna hear it plox. [14:31]
asciilifeform: it was tiny droplet of spoodge in the ocean of the budget even in the one lab. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: can i has link or anything ? [14:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i mean for the sheer weird, not money necessarily. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: i suppose if they found any loose octopi on the floor they were delivered to your desk ? [14:31]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol srsly ? << to the extent I can understand the word salad around the term. [14:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was the place with the vx antidote in desk, etc. [14:32]
asciilifeform: and there were, not far, octopi, pigs, afghanis, etc. [14:32]
asciilifeform: 1,001 species of mutilated fauna, none were any of my concern. [14:33]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Enjoy word salad sampler https://archive.is/ur4H8 [14:33]
mircea_popescu: ty [14:33]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is that self-parodic in intent or merely in effect ? [14:34]
BingoBoingo: Can't tell [14:35]
BingoBoingo: likely effect [14:35]
mircea_popescu: i r disappoint. that sad, sad moment when you're stuck in a world where all the best erotic fiction is written by yourself, so the choice is between familiarity and inferior product. [14:37]
asciilifeform: and to visit upstack, this is kindergarten intro-to-graphics матчасть ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541325 ) -- tear-flicker vanishes around 12-15 f.p.s. [14:37]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 19:47 asciilifeform: 'матчасть' (contraction of, approx, 'material part') is a military term of art, refers to, e.g., how far a ru 120mm howitzer shoots when pointed at 45deg, vs 'how do we make a pincer' [14:37]
mircea_popescu: how about these jezbel idiots actually went and whored out in the hood for a few months then came back with a little more piss and vinegar ? [14:37]
asciilifeform: (and static image is flicker-free at 0 fps! so long as it ~persists~ on the display. elementarily.) [14:38]
mircea_popescu: incidentally hanbot BingoBoingo diana_coman what say you, who's the winner ? [14:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i r disappoint. that sad, sad moment when you're stuck in a world where all the best erotic fiction is written by yourself, so the choice is between familiarity and inferior product. << This is leading cause of male orgasm disfunction. Perhaps train girl to unfamiliarize your own text? [14:39]
asciilifeform: more nuanced : it is not the 'fps' that matters, but how long it takes to swap framebuffers. the usb dongle gave ~7 fps in practice, but 0 tearing because it had simple doublebuffer, where it took a while to draw the hidden buffer, but flipping took a msec or so. [14:39]
asciilifeform: recall writing games for dos. it was quite possible to have 0 flicker. [14:40]
asciilifeform: in 1980s. [14:40]
mircea_popescu: yeah, through intimate knowledge of the os timings. [14:40]
asciilifeform: nope./ [14:40]
asciilifeform: through elementary logic. [14:40]
asciilifeform: boards starting with ega, let you read the vertical refresh signal. [14:41]
asciilifeform: that was all you needed. [14:41]
mircea_popescu: on an ideal machine. in practice, you have nfi how long your own runtime will be. [14:41]
asciilifeform: lolwut [14:41]
asciilifeform: i had, nailed to the wall, 'tick table', like everyone else [14:42]
asciilifeform: it was quite trivial to say how long a routine would run. in nanoseconds. [14:42]
asciilifeform: (and how long interrupt handler might run, if you permitted it to run. etc) [14:42]
mircea_popescu: in dos. through intimate knowledge. in vmware gentoo on windows ? ouch. [14:42]
asciilifeform: ftr i did not play 'doom' on this item [14:43]
asciilifeform: only emacs. [14:43]
mircea_popescu: is there doom in emacs btw ? [14:43]
asciilifeform: there is an ascii doom, somewhere. [14:43]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563110 seems to have been last taken on matter from diana_coman with hanbot supporting habot candidacy and BingoBoingo supporting BingoBoingo candidacy so hanbot seems be dissent. [14:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 10:06 diana_coman: contest anyway considering however that it was set for Halloween, I guess I'd go with "goriest" and therefore BingoBoingo should win as a side, I must say I don't quite follow the point of "all possible positions expressed" since they were quite clear/obvious anyway [14:43]
mircea_popescu: well yeah asking for teh final words. speak for yerself BingoBoingo , who's the best contestant ? [14:44]
asciilifeform: ( point of the story was, you can get ~0-flicker~ vga even on ludicrously and unpredictably slow machine, using a box that lets you build up, slowly, painfully, hidden framebuffer, then quickly flip to it.) [14:44]
BingoBoingo: Naturally I seem to be. James paid the price for getting his Elliot love and Elliot lived the only natural life he could as a racially ambiguous kid in the desrt. [14:45]
phf: could since at least 75, when the blit paper was written [14:45]
asciilifeform: phf: aha. [14:45]
asciilifeform: this notion, that you need multi-$k gpu accelerators, tightly coupled with os voodoo, just to use a motherfucking TEXT EDITOR, is very 'modern' [14:46]
asciilifeform: and 'african' [14:46]
* BingoBoingo also included brief tour of fanfic staples including obligatory Harry Potter and slashing open of wounds to be fucked. [14:46]
asciilifeform: it has 0 connection with constraints of physical reality. [14:46]
mircea_popescu: but nevertheless how these seem to work. [14:47]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this notion, that you need multi-$k gpu accelerators, tightly coupled with os voodoo, just to use a motherfucking TEXT EDITOR, is very 'modern' << Seems to be sorts the thing "Sun" was born out of. [14:49]
asciilifeform: wat [14:50]
asciilifeform: sun iron was honest, wholesome thing, by any conceivable standard of today [14:50]
BingoBoingo: The "buy all these 'workstations' for liberal arts computing" iron may have been honest but not all use cases marketed for were. [14:51]
asciilifeform: was ~last gasp of 'you buy a comp, and it comes with the correct os for it, made by same people' thing. [14:51]
BingoBoingo: Eh, the 1980's were weird [14:52]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: economics of ic mass production are such that most-everyone ends up marketing workstation as also a table leg stand, toaster, dildo. [14:54]
asciilifeform: simply so as to squeeze out a small +ev with which to make anything next. [14:54]
BingoBoingo: Proper workstation makes an excellent nightstand with bonus heat production. [14:54]
phf: "to a new yorker like you a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three tigers" [14:56]
asciilifeform: ^. [14:56]
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5623 [15:07]
ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-to-limit-long-distance-supercharging-for-new-owners-1478531035 << 1000 mi free per year on the supercharger network [15:20]
ben_vulpes: the benefit rollbacks keep on stacking up [15:21]
trinque: "unlimited free" was a temporary loss leader, and if they said otherwise they were lying [15:22]
ben_vulpes: mhm [15:22]
* ben_vulpes continues to merrily combust [15:23]
* ben_vulpes looks for more ways to push more gasoline through the engines in his stewardship [15:23]
ben_vulpes: semi tempted to spin up a portland/oregon city water taxi just to crack more hydrocarbons apart. [15:24]
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't know what you mean by "city water taxi", but this is what i imagine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDohpjD1jvA [15:26]
BingoBoingo: In other Qntests, Qntest deadline is approaching http://qntra.net/2016/10/what-is-the-difference-between-bill-clinton-and-bill-cosby-a-qntest-with-bitcoin-prizes/ [15:27]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'too cheap to meter' !1111 [15:29]
shinohai: !!up MagnusFox [15:59]
deedbot: MagnusFox voiced for 30 minutes. [15:59]
MagnusFox: hello [15:59]
MagnusFox: thanks shinohai [15:59]
MagnusFox: what's this channel? [15:59]
MagnusFox: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d0nbj/?raw=true [16:00]
deedbot: 1DA9BDD523D0B317558741B9EB932A4D29CC0742 registered as MagnusFox. [16:00]
ben_vulpes: MagnusFox: all bitcoin terrorism all day [16:04]
shinohai: ^ [16:04]
MagnusFox: i'm scared [16:05]
ben_vulpes: on a scale of 1atm to diamond-producing pressures how puckered is your sphincter? [16:06]
phf: apparently there's a 2008 movie called "nick and norah's infinite playlist" [16:11]
MagnusFox: lol [16:11]
ben_vulpes: "x and y <something> z" [16:14]
ben_vulpes: "zack and miri make a porno" [16:14]
ben_vulpes: !!rate MagnusFox 1 new blood [16:29]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4yq6f/?raw=true [16:29]
ben_vulpes: !!v 5C9E6345FC6068C1E99C1276D1CDB75A342E12ED7B7EA0EB881175DF546A4C68 [16:30]
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated MagnusFox 1 << new blood [16:30]
ben_vulpes: MagnusFox: you can up yourself now, /msg deedbot !!up [16:30]
shinohai: !!rate MagnusFox 1 #eulora [16:30]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/smjuz/?raw=true [16:30]
MagnusFox: thanks shinohai [16:37]
MagnusFox: :D [16:37]
shinohai: u are welcome [16:37]
shinohai: !!v EB6013542CF8EC589B972BAF2A3AB9A987AF93F0E56654456A614959FEDD95D4 [16:38]
deedbot: shinohai rated MagnusFox 1 << #eulora [16:38]
MagnusFox: you're a great teacher [16:39]
MagnusFox: do you want to be my mentor? [16:39]
mircea_popescu: !!key MagnusFox [16:43]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0u73q/?raw=true [16:43]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563735 << i expect "alternate sunday driving" is coming up next ? [16:47]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 20:20 ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-to-limit-long-distance-supercharging-for-new-owners-1478531035 << 1000 mi free per year on the supercharger network [16:47]
asciilifeform: speaking of which, remains of an old airplane factory near where asciilifeform lives, 'erco', were bulldozed this week [16:52]
MagnusFox: !!key MagnusFox [16:52]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/s8em3/?raw=true [16:52]
asciilifeform: i watched, with binocular, it was interesting (there was even a well on the premises!) [16:52]
asciilifeform: 1 such airplane, according to the city museum (where one of the the few remaining machines lives) cost 2.6k usd in 1940. [16:53]
asciilifeform: which is approx. what nice car costs today (~40-50k) [16:53]
mircea_popescu: im not sure 2.5k in 1940 is really 40k today, but hey. [16:57]
asciilifeform: and, supposedly, early (analogue!) flight sims were built there. [16:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at least 40 [16:57]
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/erco/index.html << for aficionados of 'modern america' [17:02]
phf: asciilifeform: i like "urban exploration", so i've been to a lot of places like that, where america once was and not anymore. entire stretch from philadelphia to trenton is remnants of industrial age [17:07]
phf: now highest producer of methamphetamines [17:08]
* ben_vulpes sheds a tear for the abandoned creosote factory and the bike jousting of his youth [17:09]
asciilifeform: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/MD/Airfields_MD_PG_C.htm#erco << subj, for aficionados. [17:10]
asciilifeform: phf: as far as 'digging' went, this was a snore by modern standards, flat cement slab. [17:11]
asciilifeform: in the end, the university bought it, to build whorefarms in place of. [17:11]
* asciilifeform still does not fully grasp why the 'real americans' won't build concentration camps and put the folks who did this to them, inside. [17:13]
ben_vulpes: what are these 'real americans'? [17:13]
phf: like john galt and shit [17:13]
asciilifeform: apparently -- in the graveyard [17:13]
asciilifeform: and ~nowhere else. [17:13]
ben_vulpes: snore [17:14]
* trinque does not rule out mass poisoning [17:14]
asciilifeform: phf: they also lived on the pages of sex stories by 1920s ru emigre chick, yes ! [17:15]
asciilifeform: ( ever notice how much the 'steel mill' scenes in 'atlas' resemble a classical 'производственный роман' ?? ) [17:15]
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADaadHXmMIg [17:19]
phf: i love comments on su tracks on youtube, they are like something out of Sorokin novels. [17:21]
asciilifeform: this one dun seem to have comments..? [17:21]
asciilifeform: but yes [17:22]
phf: yeah, that's the one i explicitly searched for, but i started clicking around [17:22]
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPtolIacHw "Ребята, классно то, что память и русскую душу не смогли вытравить всякие голливуды и "западные ценности", а значит есть надежда на возрождение социалистического строя, не обязательно коммунистического, назовите его по-другому, но [17:22]
phf: и к чему-то доброму и высокому, если этого долго не происходит, тогда побеждает зло, грязь и война, бесконечная война всех против всех!!!" [17:22]
trinque: where did the real SU characters go? [17:22]
trinque: or does meta-SU still exist [17:22]
asciilifeform: trinque: it 'exists' right here in my chair. [17:23]
trinque: for arse and empire!1!11! [17:23]
asciilifeform: or at least in the sense where medieval europe exists in mircea_popescu's garden of delights [17:23]
trinque: aha [17:24]
asciilifeform: afaik, dead worlds aren't kept around anywhere else. [17:24]
phf: some Sandman shit right there [18:14]
mircea_popescu: !~google for that rare and radiant woner which was here, which is now hoare, which lies dead forevermore [18:36]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Oracle Sunday on Eulora on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/oracle-sunday-on-eulora> Title: Hymns of Ter Steegen, Suso, and Others Creator(s): Bevan ...: <https://www.ccel.org/ccel/bevan/tersteegen.txt> Hymns of the Early Church ////// - Compassionheart: <http://www.compassionheart.com/earlyhymns.html> [18:37]
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun. [18:37]
shinohai: hey that oracle Sunday article was good [18:39]
mircea_popescu: hehe [18:40]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/yUgBh << in other jooz. [19:58]
asciilifeform: (and '98.2%' !111111) [19:59]
mircea_popescu: they're such chronic masturbators these people. [20:00]
asciilifeform: they'll be counting them votez. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: they can't cunt their toes. [20:01]
mircea_popescu: what, you think rando intern from bankruptington post is counting anything ? [20:02]
asciilifeform: nah, it is legitimacyspray. [20:02]
asciilifeform: for the pre-coded output. [20:02]
mircea_popescu: sounds a lot more like the giddy excitement of the vicarious rape victim. [20:03]
asciilifeform: now i dun work at diebold, but it is hard to picture that a mr t win is not regarded as 'societal seekoority threat' and as such not any more permissible than , e.g., 'pirate party' senator. [20:08]
mircea_popescu: hey, you're committed to this "controlled society" model, things are gonna go a certain way in yer head no matter what happens. [20:09]
asciilifeform: dunno, if mr t on the throne, i could swallow the 'they got unplugged from control' [20:09]
asciilifeform: esp when the crematoria open for business. [20:10]
mircea_popescu: anyway. if clinton "wins" we get to find out just how large trump's genitalia's were. [20:10]
asciilifeform: this, yes. [20:11]
mircea_popescu: and alongside his, the collective white-whatevers. [20:11]
asciilifeform: theirs, imho, were measured in oregon last yr and elsewhere. [20:11]
asciilifeform: the old man's -- i have nfi [20:12]
asciilifeform: most interesting scenario would be if he were to crash his plane and get replaced franco-style with a younger d00d [20:13]
mircea_popescu: eh. [20:14]
asciilifeform: as mola and sanjurjo crashed. [20:14]
mircea_popescu: you keep going "if disney were king of the hill and i had free run of the studios" sorta scenarios. get off it, kenya dun has a hollywood. [20:14]
asciilifeform: (franco was 'nobody' then) [20:14]
mircea_popescu: be happy if you get a credible cardboard model of a cessna. [20:14]
asciilifeform: soggy cardboard. [20:15]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/baaf1 << 'xkcd' comic d00d heils clitler. [20:44]
asciilifeform: (iirc he had no such thing during obummer coronation) [20:45]
shinohai: D: [20:46]
phf: funny how apparently everyone knows which side is the butter on their sandwich [21:33]
phf: потом наступает потеря/ быстрого разума силы,/ потом наступает спокойствие./ А потом начинается ужас. [21:35]
trinque: http://archive.is/5lyYd << "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is." [21:40]
trinque: the slave detail being entirely relevant. [21:41]
asciilifeform: 'День седьмого ноября - / Красный день календаря. / Погляди в свое окно: / Все на улице красно.' [21:46]
trinque: We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking. And out of it we get an aggregation which we consider a boon. Its name is Public Opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it the Voice of God. << I suppose the great that'll great again predated Mr Twain. [21:47]
trinque: heh, thinking upon it, I suppose it did. [21:49]
mircea_popescu: freedom of thought is indeed a luxury isn't it. [22:54]
* BingoBoingo sometimes dreams of alt-Murica with Tilden presidency [23:22]
mircea_popescu: or tom cruise. [23:31]
mircea_popescu: trinque that piece is particularly scandalous. imagine, the only writer worth two shits to ever crawl out of that god forsaken hole, not only a living testament to how smoking twenty cigars a day doesn't give you cancer but even daring to represent black slavery as a carefree life of exact equivalency to the shenanigans of today's barristas and waitresses with jezbel aspirations! [23:34]
mircea_popescu: mark twain is as much a threat to "our" democracy as trump could ever hope to be. [23:34]
trinque: meanwhile every other search result was some barista crowing about what a man of the people to see such wisdom in a slave, and isn't this such an insight into the nature of *humans* [23:42]
trinque: fucking flatland even then it had no chance. [23:43]
mircea_popescu: the reason blacks back then weren't intelligent and well spoken as now has to do with the cruel conditions in which they lived. back then, unlike now. [23:46]
mircea_popescu: and in other "deeply butthurt nobody thinks they're somehow somebody", https://archive.is/kSni9 [23:54]
mircea_popescu: not that there isn't a ton of these. but "mary elizabeth williams" lol. to quote, http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-135.0-135.108 [23:55]
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