Forum logs for 07 May 2017
| asciilifeform: | screen /dev/ttyACM0 | [00:00] |
| fromloper: | I get --- | [00:01] |
| fromloper: | If I hit enter a couple time ---SmartProbe: 3.2_3743 98:73:c4:00:05:43 0 SmartProbe: 3.2_3743 98:73:c4:00:05:43 0 | [00:01] |
| fromloper: | MSG016: Verifying FPGA | [00:01] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: congrats | [00:01] |
| fromloper: | |RG017: Verifying...| | [00:02] |
| asciilifeform: | it worked | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | SmartLoadergramming SmartLoader | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | MSG009: Disabling SupportLibrary | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | Traceback (most recent call last): | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module> | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | l = sage.readline() | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/serial/serialposix.py", line 495, in read | [00:02] |
| asciilifeform: | thing is ok | [00:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | fromloper: try using http://p.bvulpes.com/ before you get booted for flooding | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | raise SerialException('device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)') | [00:02] |
| fromloper: | sorry | [00:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | fleanode, not anyone here | [00:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | freenode i mean | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: your probe works | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | you may have to update gcc though | [00:03] |
| asciilifeform: | ( you need the one from 2014 , no earlier ) | [00:04] |
| fromloper: | If I run sage_pill again, it seems to show the old CRCs and lets me update again? | [00:04] |
| asciilifeform: | unplug the probe and plug back in | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform: | what fw ver was on it before you ran 1st time ? | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: also please do as ben_vulpes described, and paste the barf in the paster | [00:07] |
| fromloper: | http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4EL9f/?raw=true for gdb | [00:07] |
| fromloper: | (and gcc) | [00:07] |
| asciilifeform: | you want 7.8 or above | [00:08] |
| fromloper: | One moment.. seeing if I can scrollback that far | [00:10] |
| fromloper: | Spew for current version: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/umk7h/?raw=true | [00:11] |
| asciilifeform: | is this from the first run ? | [00:12] |
| fromloper: | Looks like the original has scrolled off, so I don't know | [00:14] |
| fromloper: | No, rerun | [00:14] |
| asciilifeform: | anyway this is proper | [00:14] |
| asciilifeform: | 'old' is the fw image | [00:14] |
| asciilifeform: | it gets patched to match the hardware id of your box | [00:15] |
| asciilifeform: | you have a cured probe, enjoy | [00:15] |
| asciilifeform: | update your gdb and follow the examples on my www. | [00:15] |
| fromloper: | Thank so much. Do you know if there is a bypass for the EDK? | [00:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( sagepill.py always breaks off, because the probe resets!! ) | [00:16] |
| asciilifeform: | probably i ought to add this to the article. | [00:17] |
| fromloper: | Should the probes normal startup status be blinking? | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | yes | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | as for edk, it is garbage and i never use it, so i have nfi | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | it's java liquishit | [00:17] |
| asciilifeform: | decompiles ok , though, so you can crack it without breaking a sweat if you felt like it. | [00:18] |
| asciilifeform: | i posted the raw command set, theoretically you can use entirely straight gdb for any conceivable use of the box. | [00:19] |
| fromloper: | Ahh just say the manual you posted, thanks. That was my main concern (power, etc) for the edk | [00:20] |
| fromloper: | Now to see if I can find a gdb that works -) | [00:20] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: out of curiosity, hiw didja find the pill, and for what do you use the probe?? | [00:20] |
| asciilifeform: | *how | [00:21] |
| fromloper: | Found though google. My main use for the probe is to have a cheap x86 JTAG device for VMM development | [00:22] |
| asciilifeform: | which board are you using ? | [00:22] |
| fromloper: | The Gizmo Explorer that came with the probe. In theory it supports AMDs VMM extensions | [00:22] |
| asciilifeform: | it does. | [00:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | fromloper consider getting a proper name / registering your pgp key with deedbot while at it. | [00:23] |
| fromloper: | Also looking at trying to get a Skylake/Kabylake with DCI enabled (JTAG over USB) since that just requires a USB 3 debug cable. The Intel NUC's have a bios setting "Silicon Debug Feature" but although it sets the debug MSR, it doesn't appear to set the PCH register correctly, and the PCH register is locked by the time it gets out of BIOS. | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | funnily enough, #trilema is wuite likely world's largest sageprobe user group today | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up fromloper | [00:25] |
| deedbot: | fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | *quite | [00:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, at least as far as non-whispering/public | [00:25] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [00:25] |
| mod6: | sounds like what i'm tryin to get into | [00:26] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: intel is mostly a waste of time imho | [00:26] |
| fromloper: | There is a bug in Gigabyte's NUCs where they left DCI half enabled. Unfortuntly I bricked the one I had. | [00:27] |
| asciilifeform: | their debug isn't fully out of band, hostile os (e.g. winblows) can interfere | [00:27] |
| fromloper: | Because it had intel bootguard and didn't like my customized bios | [00:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | they actually brick the board ?! | [00:27] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: pull the chip and reflash | [00:27] |
| fromloper: | Yep, no recovery possible. | [00:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | that seems improbable. tried what he said ? | [00:28] |
| asciilifeform: | ( if it's soldered down, use a crocodile ) | [00:28] |
| fromloper: | Chip was soldered on and it's within Amazon's 30 day so easier to return and get one without vPro | [00:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah i guess there's thart | [00:29] |
| asciilifeform: | even if they actually take back mutilated boards -- this promises to be slow | [00:29] |
| asciilifeform: | get a rom burner and crocodile clip like normal people | [00:30] |
| fromloper: | I tried seeing if I could reprogram it via a TL866a but VCC isn't wired for in system programming and I didn't want to cut the trace on a system I might need to return | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | usually works anyway | [00:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | you don't have to cut the trace do you ? | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | trick is: gotta power up the board | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | then chip is alive | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform: | forget the burner's vcc. | [00:31] |
| fromloper: | I powered it up, which got rid of the overcurrent error, but it couldn't read the chip. Maybe a bad clip and or the TL866a isn't up to the task. Kind of a novice at these things. | [00:31] |
| asciilifeform: | either bad clip, or you out it backwards. | [00:32] |
| asciilifeform: | *put | [00:32] |
| fromloper: | I tried both ways :-/ | [00:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [00:33] |
| asciilifeform: | pro tip: don't buy board with soldered rom | [00:33] |
| asciilifeform: | and if for some peculiar reason you ~must~ -- pull it off and replace with socket | [00:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | they've been moving that way slowly but surely hm. | [00:34] |
| ben_vulpes: | forgive me but what is a vcc? | [00:34] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: + | [00:34] |
| fromloper: | I believe USB DCI is only on their Skylake+ U-Series chips which are geared towards mobile and those tend to have soldered SOP8s since they tend to either be laptops or NUCs | [00:35] |
| fromloper: | The ideal will be if Intel fixes their BIOS, because then it would be a supported option on a mainstream system. | [00:36] |
| asciilifeform: | for the reason described earlier, i have 0 interest in intel's debug | [00:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | not like it got broken accidentally. | [00:36] |
| asciilifeform: | so cannot help there. | [00:36] |
| fromloper: | Do you avoid Intel all together then or have another recommendation for low level debug? | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform: | hardware ice is useful precisely because os has no say in whether it gets debugged | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform: | avoid intel | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform: | it won't work for your purpose. and the docs are very, very thin. | [00:38] |
| asciilifeform: | and full of disinfo. | [00:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: aha ty | [00:38] |
| fromloper: | Ahh. Well no choice if I want to use intel's VMX instrutions but to use intel. Just trying to avoid having to spend $3000 for the standard ITP-XDP device and needing special expensive boards with an XDP port. | [00:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | what is his purpose ? | [00:40] |
| asciilifeform: | their soft is winblows-only, also | [00:41] |
| asciilifeform: | and why the fuck would you use intel-only opcodes. | [00:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-asset-gavin-andresen-pretends-to-meaningfully-inspect-your-random/#comment-95936 << am i thick or is the guy entirely ignoring the quote. | [00:43] |
| fromloper: | I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well. | [00:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | sigh. | [00:44] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: if you paid for the seekrit docs , ask ~them~ for support, not me. | [00:44] |
| asciilifeform: | i have 0 seekrit docs. | [00:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | but why ? he just wants to, and you seem to be free! and the market ended up 95% usg for entirely unrelated reasons. | [00:45] |
| fromloper: | NDA doesn't cost anything. You just need to be a company. | [00:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and come to think of it, dun recall being paid ) | [00:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | seekrit docs just have more frustrating disinfo | [00:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | fromloper why'd you make any promises to those assholes ? | [00:45] |
| fromloper: | I'm not paid. It's my own startup. Other than the sage thing, wasn't specifically asking for help just discussing. | [00:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [00:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways, MOS 6502 does all the computing necessary for most purposes | [00:47] |
| fromloper: | mircea, because their public docs are shit and NDA just means I want share their secret shit. It's not a big deal to me. | [00:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously. | [00:47] |
| fromloper: | *won't | [00:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | But you don't get the good seekrit shit | [00:48] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: and you wonder why the public tools are shit, and you're stuck with winblows idiocy ? | [00:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, the miracles of reification. | [00:49] |
| fromloper: | I'm at an inital research stage at this point if it pans out they have a heavier NDA and you can buy the private tools. At this point I'm just doing proof of concept so I don't want to invest too much if it doesn't pan out. | [00:49] |
| asciilifeform: | humour my curiosity-- what's a 'heavier nda' ? | [00:50] |
| fromloper: | Their private debugger is $5k a year though. | [00:50] |
| asciilifeform: | if you like spending money, as it seems you do, why not buy arium's -- 35k/yr | [00:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it still doesn't work worth a shit. | [00:51] |
| fromloper: | They have a "restricted" level NDA which is above the normal. You need to acually talk to people about your project insead of just signing up a webform. I'll look at Arium / Lauterbauch / Intel PDT if I get past POC and find some investors -) | [00:52] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: and when intel steals your project, then what. | [00:53] |
| fromloper: | If I liked spending money I wouldn't be worrying about getting the $15 debug cable to work or an abandoned $200 probe. | [00:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, maybe intel capital invests. acquihire cheaper for them than actually hiring and they've been doing all that song and dance about hiring in the us. | [00:54] |
| asciilifeform: | it so happens that the abandoned 200 box is the only one that works. | [00:54] |
| asciilifeform: | i.e. runs with plain gdb, and 0 winblows liquishitware and nda. | [00:55] |
| asciilifeform: | and isn't overruleable by microshit os. | [00:55] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up fromloper | [00:55] |
| deedbot: | fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. | [00:55] |
| fromloper: | Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it. | [00:57] |
| fromloper: | This is all really my attempt at having to avoid working for someone else again. | [00:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | how's it coming along ? | [00:57] |
| asciilifeform: | funnily enough i have an intel xdp probe and even one of their seekrit dev boxes (complete with 'not for sale' sticker) | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform: | but 0 software. | [00:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | in other reversing adventures: https://arxiv.org/abs/1704.07715 | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform: | because of schmucks who all honoured their pact with hitler | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform: | and won't release docs. | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform: | so the amount of sympathy i have, is 0. | [00:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes actually the time symmetry approach is very intelligent. | [00:59] |
| fromloper: | You can get a trial of System Studio which comes with System Debugger. System Debugger sucks, but the debug layer is there underneath in python and C#, so you have pretty direct access to JTAG if you want to RE it. | [00:59] |
| fromloper: | The ptsecurity guys did a talk on it. | [01:00] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: and driver for probe where ? | [01:00] |
| fromloper: | http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2017ams/materials/D2T4%20-%20Maxim%20Goryachy%20and%20Mark%20Ermalov%20-%20Intel%20DCI%20Secrets.pdf | [01:00] |
| fromloper: | Driver comes with System Studio (which is free trial) | [01:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://github.com/hannorein/rebound << better link | [01:01] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: this ain't the xdp one | [01:01] |
| asciilifeform: | but the winblows-disableable usb3 debugger | [01:01] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/mizzou-freshman-enrollment-down-13-in-two-years-since-surrender-to-leftist-protesters/ << Qntra - Mizzou Freshman Enrollment Down 1/3 In Two Years Since Surrender To Leftist Protesters | [01:01] |
| asciilifeform: | so wholly uninteresting. | [01:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | <fromloper> Unfortuatly potential customers are most likely using Intel + Microsoft. Also in US we have Trump now. World sucks, but still need to live in it. << What's wrong with Z80 and Motorola 68k and Make Computing Great Again(TM)(R) | [01:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: imagine my brief surprise to realize this was not How Adults Did Things | [01:02] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: have a homework. find me where to get new 68k outside of usa. | [01:03] |
| fromloper: | System Debugger supports the $3000 XDP-ITP, the $390 SVT CCA adapter, and the $15 USB debug cable. | [01:03] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: how about my $0 softwareless xdp | [01:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | then ofc remembered that 200,000 lines of cpp make up nasa's most important models and rolled my eyes at my own self | [01:03] |
| asciilifeform: | bought from scrap dealer. | [01:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes one day you'll get to read military ballistics software, have a lol. | [01:03] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: What new. Debug to build aound the old ones. | [01:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform did you actually try the thing ? | [01:04] |
| fromloper: | This one? https://designintools.intel.com/product_p/itpxdp3brext.htm | [01:04] |
| asciilifeform: | nah, rectangular box | [01:04] |
| asciilifeform: | xdp 1. | [01:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | fromloper: Anyways prolly more money in debugging John Deere's firmware than Intel's | [01:05] |
| asciilifeform: | http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~SMAAOxyoahSXzkX/s-l300.jpg | [01:06] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: it ^ | [01:06] |
| fromloper: | I don't think the current version does anymore. All the FPGA images are XDP3 or XDP4. I know older versions of System Debugger had support for older XDPs. If you have a student email you can get System Studio for free and it has access to older versions which might support it. | [01:06] |
| BingoBoingo: | https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvels argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individuals decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individuals decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la | [01:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | tter." | [01:07] |
| fromloper: | I think the older ones had a shittier abstraction layer though. The python C# one is easy to reverse. | [01:08] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: which thing ? | [01:09] |
| fromloper: | Bingo, my interest is more in security. Most people aren't that worried about their tractor being hacked. | [01:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers. | [01:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform the "system debugger" bundled driver | [01:09] |
| fromloper: | Be back in a bit. Gotta reboot and see if I can find a GD that won't crash with the smartprobe. | [01:10] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: my box came with no disk. | [01:10] |
| fromloper: | asciilifeform. Thanks again so much for your help and hard work on fixing the probe. | [01:10] |
| asciilifeform: | nor does intel's downloadable crippleware, support it | [01:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. his idea is, and perhaps not without merit, that by getting the bundle he names you might be able to salvage a driver. | [01:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | either out of the box or with some minimal assembly at home. | [01:10] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: this, tried. fail. | [01:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah, ok. that's what i was asking. | [01:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | fromloper: You'd be surprised. Many people want out of John Deere's rootkit so that they can fix their tractor cost less than $newtractor | [01:11] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: back when i actually gave a shit, i looked for a copy of the relevant shitware. never found. | [01:12] |
| fromloper: | Bingo, I'm not saying there isn't a market, but it's not really where my interest is. The ideal is to find interest and market fit. If it was just about money I would just go work for google. | [01:12] |
| asciilifeform: | today i give ~0 shits re intel. | [01:12] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i've long wanted to design a ~new~ 68k box. | [01:13] |
| asciilifeform: | with, say, 16 of'em | [01:13] |
| asciilifeform: | but -- 0 supply. | [01:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | pop them out of performas? Or did performas get expensive? | [01:14] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: how many grid chips have you personally desoldered ? | [01:15] |
| asciilifeform: | hiw many worked after ? | [01:15] |
| asciilifeform: | what would you charge for this process ? | [01:15] |
| fromloper: | There are open source FPGA 68ks that are pretty small. You might be able to fit 16 on a relatively small one. | [01:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | none, I thought that's why god invented chinamen | [01:15] |
| asciilifeform: | fromloper: problem is, there ain't a usable fpga | [01:16] |
| asciilifeform: | all want shitware. | [01:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, reflow oven burns the chips ? | [01:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | fromloper: but it is about money with the "not wanting to work for other people" | [01:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | muh passions | [01:17] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: one doesn't desolder in an oven. but -- yes. | [01:17] |
| asciilifeform: | they weren't meant to be roasted twice. | [01:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | i got one last lol in the chamber | [01:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | krypt.co | [01:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i had nfi. | [01:17] |
| asciilifeform: | 'A new home for your SSH private key' | [01:17] |
| asciilifeform: | lol!! | [01:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | it has pricing so should be legit. | [01:18] |
| asciilifeform: | gotta be a gag | [01:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | nono | [01:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | it's open source you can trust it | [01:18] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: other tricky bit re old stock chips -- invariably 5v signals whereas ~all currently available logic, incl ram, is 3.3v max ( and often lower ) | [01:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | lots and lots of tiny transformers!!1 | [01:20] |
| asciilifeform: | can use level shifters, but bulky, expansive (incl pcb real estate) and mutilate timing. | [01:21] |
| asciilifeform: | *expensive | [01:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other being own boss news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2c83f4f25a84aaf5a85b6ec71eb72883/tumblr_nt60zcuMir1s3qr6wo1_500.gif | [01:24] |
| asciilifeform: | lol, part balloon | [01:24] |
| asciilifeform: | *party | [01:24] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl. | [01:28] |
| mod6: | i don't fuck around with it comes to atm | [01:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://oglaf.com/wherefore/ | [01:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | !!up fromloper | [01:40] |
| deedbot: | fromloper voiced for 30 minutes. | [01:40] |
| shinohai: | o/ fromloper | [01:42] |
| fromloper: | Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5 | [01:43] |
| fromloper: | Hi shinohai | [01:43] |
| shinohai: | hello fromloper ... I personally have not had opportunity to try this particular board yet, I'm sure asciilifeform can help you | [01:45] |
| fromloper: | He has helped me with unlocking the probe. Now hopefully he can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong :-( | [01:45] |
| shinohai: | is this running w/ gdb ? | [01:46] |
| fromloper: | Yeah gdb and the sage smartprobe | [01:49] |
| fromloper: | Using gdb --command=gdbinit.txt slightly modified for more verbose output | [01:50] |
| fromloper: | Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now! | [01:56] |
| phf`: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-may-2017#2277967 << michael jackson was a pioneer and a visionary | [06:45] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 05:07 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvels argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individuals decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individuals decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la | [06:45] |
| phf`: | cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions" | [07:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652596 << i'm looking forward to 600 level courses consisting of tablet tapping cookbooks. | [08:58] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 11:27 phf`: cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions" | [08:58] |
| Framedragger: | rehi, finally almost-summer here (hey it's a big deal here when it's not mist and misery more than 50% of the week), frolicking in the sun :) | [09:36] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652107 << yeah, output should be sane, but more research needed. | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 12:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ? | [09:36] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652109 << yeah it does, relevant refs are probably http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637988 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638129 (re. images in particular, i know, painful) | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-05 17:34 phf: Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-04-05 18:13 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638105 << dumping dom is not hard (it's innerhtml attribute on document.body/head), extracting images/objects is harder. used to be able to do it using canvas, but not there's security provisions. you literally have to go into the browser's cache (via internal apis) to got the graphic, etc. back. or else redownload, which is rife with potential issues | [09:36] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652110 << and yeah to be clear i did skip this consciously, knowing that i'd be stepping into a swamp. and while i'd very much like to embrace http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652126 , it is the case that i'd like to be able to archive shitsites which don't render without JS. | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 14:40 trinque: why did you skip over wget -R ? | [09:36] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 15:18 trinque: I don't run JS in either case | [09:36] |
| Framedragger: | possibly taleb's writings, etc. and yeah it sucks and may be the wrong choice politically (contrast with mp's explicit refusal to load PDFs, period). | [09:37] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652129 << and yeah this is PROBABLY the way to get burned. asciilifeform imagined the archiver as a "public whore prostitute", a box which can be exposed to exploits and malware, but that's even more dirty. (that said, may be the way to go.) | [09:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 15:20 trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted | [09:37] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652133 << ah this may indeed be relevant, haven't seen it, will check, thanks! | [09:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-05 17:12 trinque: Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML | [09:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652586 << plug is backwards !!! | [10:31] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 05:43 fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5 | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652593 << ahaha he found it. | [10:32] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 05:56 fromloper: Hmm, might have just had it plugged in badly seem to be wokring now! | [10:32] |
| asciilifeform: | but did not register a name, still not in wot. mega-unsurprise. | [10:33] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652596 << umd had similar downfall | [10:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 11:27 phf`: cmu is replacing cyrus with "google suite" https://www.cmu.edu/computing/email/cyrus/project "an effort to provide modern (c)(r)(tm)(!!1), industry standard, cost-effective email and calendar solutions" | [10:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( abolished shell accts w/ 'pine' in favour of 'standard' liquishit ) | [10:35] |
| phf`: | my oldest surviving config is a tcshrc i wrote for my umd shell account | [10:38] |
| * asciilifeform | also. | [10:39] |
| phf`: | those university solaris systems were cool because of the afs mount points. it sort of reminded me of my first dialup-into-shell internet connection: a narrow bandwidth gateway into this really rich worl | [10:43] |
| phf`: | d | [10:43] |
| asciilifeform: | whereas today, king and slave alike have wide-bandwidth pipe.. | [10:45] |
| asciilifeform: | into sewer!! | [10:46] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, https://archive.is/xTT1y >> 'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. Stress cards, open homosexuality, transgenders on active duty, sensitivity training, pregnancy simulators for male troopers, lactation stations in the field, babies born on US ships of war, female graduates of Ranger School, including a 37 year old mother (it’s funny how the women looked so well fed), women in the SEA | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | Ls, women in Marine infantry units and females in the field artillery (even though most cannot carry a 155mm round) are just some of the insanity...' | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | in related lulz, https://archive.is/BSxkv >> 'At least 30 active-duty service members could face punishment as a result of the “Marines United” nude photo scandal that rocked the U.S. armed forces in early March, a Corps spokesman announced Friday.' | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652618 << one ass-backwards at a time! | [12:30] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 14:33 asciilifeform: but did not register a name, still not in wot. mega-unsurprise. | [12:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | 'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. << nooo! | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | and in other news re the SOPS criminal org coup d'etat in brazil, http://www.jornalnh.com.br/_conteudo/2017/05/esportes/2105654-jogador-do-sapucaiense-e-preso-durante-jogo-de-futebol-da-2-divisao-do-gauchao.html | [12:43] |
| asciilifeform: | receptação de carro clonado << wat | [12:50] |
| asciilifeform: | and br police dun have uniforms ?? | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | poverty! | [13:05] |
| asciilifeform: | how do i clone a car. | [13:21] |
| * asciilifeform | remembers idiot '90s copyrasty ad : 'you wouldn't download a car' -- to which folx replied, 'i would, motherfucker, if i could!' | [13:21] |
| Framedragger: | oblig, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI don't copy that floppy! | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, same people, in pre-download era. | [13:25] |
| Framedragger: | !!rate vc 2 used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy | [13:41] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3EGhF/?raw=true | [13:41] |
| Framedragger: | !!v B7B6AC45283C343C3195042D6CE20D54E1707D9C315CD0D2016AA7D1435CC52B | [13:42] |
| deedbot: | Framedragger rated vc 2 << used his box.cock.li vps service, no issues, fast response, good guy | [13:42] |
| * Framedragger | will rate moar later | [13:42] |
| * Framedragger | msg'd vc about #t presence and whether he's interested, as of now he's not considering offering dedi boxes tho, it seems | [13:45] |
| Framedragger: | !!up gabriel_laddel_p | [13:46] |
| deedbot: | gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. | [13:46] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Framedragger: to you in the particular. Dear everloving G-d, please read the logs and stop rehashing discussions. Also, fewer messages, more content. | [13:47] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Also, I read the logs and don't need to be notified of their contents. | [13:47] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | nor do I need your useless ideas | [13:47] |
| Framedragger: | k. | [13:47] |
| Framedragger: | (but what if function of said idea is mockery? G-d knows!) | [13:50] |
| deedbot: | http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 << Loper OS - Sage SmartProbe FAQ | [13:58] |
| asciilifeform: | aaand updated. | [14:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform carro means card there im pretty sure. | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | hm. | [14:13] |
| asciilifeform: | that'd make sense wouldnit. | [14:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | portuguese is basically an alt-spanish designed by some guy in the False Friends club. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | i like how it sounds though. | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | i love how it fucking sounds. | [14:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~russian spoken by creole girl with fake tits and no apparent anal innervation. | [14:15] |
| shinohai: | !!up gabriel_laddel_p | [14:50] |
| deedbot: | gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. | [14:50] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. | [14:52] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Walked into the room of the girl I came to see (over here to do laundry) -- absolute squalor. Filth everywhere. Flies. | [14:52] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Someone more powerful than me please kill all of these idiots. | [14:52] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards. | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's a ssid thiel master ? | [14:54] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | The wifi network name | [14:54] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | I suppose this one of Thiel's houses | [14:54] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | IE associated with one of his startups, the "thiel fellows" or something | [14:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | would you think the same if it were "kardabutt" or such ? | [14:55] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | No? | [14:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | how can a pool be broken anyway ? someone drove a truck into it ? | [14:56] |
| * gabriel_laddel_p | walks out to review | [14:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | i got this poor guy here, cleans the pool every day. (it rains, tropical torrential rain. thing gets washed full of everything. he pickls them back out). whole thing gives me trouble, on one hand i'd like to tell him to nevermind, on the other im not sure it's such a good idea. | [14:58] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | childrens play equipment (?), broken chairs, the pool itself is full of brown/green alge-water | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ew | [15:05] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/balul-de-simbata-seara/ << Trilema - Balul de Simbata Seara | [15:46] |
| ben_vulpes: | it takes all of five minutes to rig an adequate pool pump | [15:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | that and ten dollars for the pump at harbor freight | [15:59] |
| ben_vulpes: | ya slip a white tee over the outlet and change it when it stops getting darker | [16:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | i guess this is the 2017 version of the mit grads and lightbulbs | [16:00] |
| ben_vulpes: | in other news, mimisbrunnr still chewing through 3+ day backlog: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#6e390df3-eac7-4ed4-b059-62b8994a2b8c | [16:03] |
| ben_vulpes: | taking hours to find a node with specific blocks apparently: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#f5cbbb73-8e72-4c6e-abfa-d8246ba37eed | [16:04] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-4-30#bb66f450-218d-4f54-88d8-6fb65645d474 << so given that the difference would be that the old auto_ptr didn't have shared semantics and that the unique_ptr does but they're never used because they weren't available at the time, i don't expect grief to come of it. | [16:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | not to give the impression that i think the vpatch in question is particularly useful. | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes dude ends up having to pick leaves and shit out | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes here's the thing : without review of what the compiler spits out of it, you can't actually know whether the change won't create a split down the road. | [17:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems. | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652693 << or in any other context! | [18:06] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 21:48 mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems. | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, ~same as php. processes strings to spit out on a gui. | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | but never designed. a fungus. | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, people just wannaed. | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made. | [18:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 18:54 gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards. | [18:08] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652667 << in virtually no usian house have i ever seen books. | [18:11] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform: | bible, at most. phone book. | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ? | [18:14] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 20:04 ben_vulpes: taking hours to find a node with specific blocks apparently: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#f5cbbb73-8e72-4c6e-abfa-d8246ba37eed | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( it was dead for about half a day ) | [18:14] |
| phf`: | actually come to think of it i've never been to an american house with books either. i think that maybe i just associate with wrong kind of americans? | [18:20] |
| phf`: | oh i lie, i have a friend whose parents are an astrophysicist and a literature something or other phd. they have a hoard (but much smaller hoard than say an equivalent russian botanik family, where the house is nothing but books) | [18:22] |
| asciilifeform: | aha, i've been to professors' houses, typically very spartan, 1 b00k case at most. | [18:23] |
| phf`: | i always imagined that there are houses out there of tenured professors, who like to "appreciate" wine and go to opera and such, they i'm sure have "exquisite" collections | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform: | i haven't yet american with 'wall to wall' b00kz, nope | [18:24] |
| asciilifeform: | and don't expect to. | [18:24] |
| asciilifeform: | *met | [18:24] |
| phf`: | it's very odd, considering how much space those mcmansions have. i mean, you could devote a whole room to a library! | [18:32] |
| asciilifeform: | easily | [18:33] |
| * asciilifeform | always wanted to do this | [18:34] |
| phf`: | move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also | [18:34] |
| phf`: | errm, bingoboingolandia | [18:35] |
| asciilifeform: | if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia. | [18:36] |
| phf`: | give it another 6 months before "puerto ricans are unfit for living" | [18:41] |
| phf`: | completely unrelatedly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q | [18:57] |
| Framedragger: | very nice. not a lot of uhh modulation (i guess is the word) possible. but cool | [18:59] |
| Framedragger: | (or hm, not sure.) | [19:00] |
| phf`: | crazy gutta from teh nodick culture | [19:03] |
| phf`: | relatedly back when i was part of a hackerspace we had a visitor from a scandinavia with all kinds of whacky projects like that. part art, part "direct action", part prank. i asked him how he got paid for this, he laughed and said that everything that he does is funded entirely by government grants | [19:05] |
| phf`: | amusingly that was back when the left loved pim fortuyn, who was a homosexual and ran on a platform of transparent government through technology. he was also fiercely anti-muslim and anti-multiculralist. | [19:19] |
| phf`: | he was assassinated by a muslim, roughly the same time when another dutch, theo van gogh got knifed by a muslim for making anti-muslim short movie | [19:21] |
| phf`: | from where i stand, same people who supported pim fortuyn and theo van gogh, i.e. anarchists, leftists, etc. 15 years later are supporting multicultural europe and nodick values. etc. | [19:25] |
| Framedragger: | anarchists? hm. | [19:27] |
| Framedragger: | i guess i need to educate self more. (also, e.g. bakunin called himself "socialist" heh, but that's just change of value of term over time) | [19:27] |
| * Framedragger | bbl, sleep | [19:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | <gabriel_laddel_p> Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up. << Take some pictures and maybe I submit a quote to fix the yard? | [22:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> if moving, why not to mircea_popesculandia. << Not everybody can be rocketed to the 4th dimension of existence at once | [22:13] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/pantsuit-macaroon-takes-french-presidency-amid-widespread-ballot-destruction-allegations/ << Qntra - Pantsuit Macaroon Takes French Presidency Amid Widespread Ballot Destruction Allegations | [22:45] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652704 << bouncing up and down: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/peIQQ/?raw=true | [23:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 22:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ? | [23:18] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652717 << lol remember when xeni jardin was cool, and people thought cory doctorow wrote cutting edge scifi? | [23:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 22:34 phf`: move to boingboinglandia, have space for electron microscope also | [23:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | !up gabriel_laddel_p | [23:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!up gabriel_laddel_p | [23:24] |
| deedbot: | gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes. | [23:24] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652699 < Had to do laundry. | [23:24] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-07 22:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made. | [23:24] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Anyways, why am I in CA? Simply have not left yet. And leave to where? | [23:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | "laundry and chill" | [23:25] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Not after seeing those living conditions.. | [23:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | you did the chill part too, right? didn't just settle for laundry? | [23:25] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Settle?! | [23:25] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | wtf I left asap | [23:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | well you've got what sixty minutes while it runs | [23:25] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh ffs the urban dictionary shortcut isn't even listed on pete's site | [23:27] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | Took a shower & nap. | [23:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=netflix+and+chill | [23:27] |
| ben_vulpes: | lol actually this is probably perfect | [23:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | if you give enough of a shit about bot commands, operate your own bot, give it whatever commands you want it to have | [23:28] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | asciilifeform: a russian-american friend of mine lives in a house with math books everywhere. | [23:30] |
| gabriel_laddel_p: | The kitchen, dining room & some of the bedrooms don't have bookshelves. But aside from that.. | [23:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | some day i will reclaim my book-storage-below-one-meter space | [23:32] |
| shinohai: | !~ud netflix and chill | [23:38] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: netflix and chill :: It means that you are going to go over to your partners house and fuck with Netflix in the background. [ex:] "Yeah we just watched Netflix and chilled.""Damn nigga how deep?""Four knuckles deep" [/ex] | code for two people going to each others houses and [fucking] or doing other [sexual] related acts [ex:] Brad: "Hey Julia wanna come over and watch [Netflix] and chill"Julia: (6 more messages) | [23:38] |
| ben_vulpes: | this would be one of these "easter eggs" | [23:40] |
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