Forum logs for 07 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Rick_ any one can reach mircea? [00:14]
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Duffer1 anything we might be able to help you with? [00:16]
Rick_ i withdrawed some btc [00:16]
Rick_ but i cant reach him now [00:16]
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Duffer1 do you know how to send a PM? [00:17]
Rick_ no [00:18]
Rick_ how [00:18]
Duffer1 <---double click his name, type stuff in the new window, he'll probably get back to you when he's around [00:18]
dub you could try emailing [00:18]
Rick_ i used query,but he seems not there [00:18]
Rick_ I emailed him yesterday,no reply yet [00:19]
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dub withdrawals are not automatic in case you were wondering, usually processed daily iirc [00:19]
Rick_ he is not here for last hours? [00:19]
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dub ;;seen mircea_popescu [00:19]
gribble mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: but anyway. got shit to do so, later. [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14095 @ 0.00086853 = 12.2419 BTC [+] [00:20]
Rick_ okay,thank you everyonw [00:20]
Rick_ everyone [00:20]
KRS-One .bait [00:20]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7bf585cc9d80896b61cdd4c2b7d03d0/tumblr_mrozsgPB1j1ri7ljko1_500.jpg [00:20]
pankkake nipplelicious [00:21]
KRS-One .bait [00:23]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/dffac7160219b41f4b5d67ee3ca3f8cf/tumblr_mr9ck62xTC1qdhe8eo1_500.jpg [00:23]
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ThickAsThieves pankakke, plz note pm, in case you missed it [00:23]
pankkake I saw it, I'm working [00:23]
KRS-One those are the kind of girls that when you see them wake up in the morning without the hair and makeup they look like hell [00:24]
ThickAsThieves cool cool [00:24]
pankkake actually it seems you were right, using the source from bluematt seems to WORK!! [00:24]
ThickAsThieves i jate being right [00:24]
ThickAsThieves hate [00:24]
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pankkake some of the magic changed values I guessed were already changed, including the one I couldn't figure out [00:24]
pankkake and now it's syncing [00:24]
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ThickAsThieves awesome [00:25]
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dub Please be advised that BTC on MtGox are not fractional. [00:28]
dub we just don't have enough to cash erryone out [00:29]
ThickAsThieves but how will we send small transactions! [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00086853 = 5.9929 BTC [+] [00:29]
ThickAsThieves guess we'll have to use altcoins [00:29]
dub Im long doge [00:30]
dub in anticipation [00:30]
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benkay in case your curious what kind of work i do, client number one just cut over and emerged from embargo [00:31]
benkay you're [00:31]
benkay http://plantlust.com [00:31]
ThickAsThieves you build carts? [00:31]
dub you fuck plants? [00:32]
truffles you're curious? [00:32]
ThickAsThieves well i'm vegan at least [00:32]
truffles oh no [00:32]
benkay we dragged the frontend kicking and screaming into 2014, dragged an ancient django application from 1.2 to 1.4, delivered myriad performance improvements totalling in excess of 10x across the whole stack, and implemented distributed work queues to decrease the risk of large data processing jobs [00:32]
ThickAsThieves it looks nice [00:33]
mike_c why 1.4 instead of 1.6? [00:33]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt even feel scammed if i sent them money [00:33]
ThickAsThieves hmm it's not even a cart [00:34]
benkay the next development iteration is going to focus on putting a 'buy' button next to each plant, redesigning the remaining pages that look like they're from 2006, taking people's money when they do click buy and turning into a plant on their doorstep, using the 56+ nurseries the site owner already has relationships with for distributed development [00:34]
ThickAsThieves oops [00:34]
ThickAsThieves ah [00:34]
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KRS-One fuck plants, they are boring. [00:34]
benkay distributed fulfillment [00:34]
mike_c boring is good. no scooping poop. [00:35]
truffles plants take work man [00:35]
Duffer1 infinite scroll would be nice [00:35]
benkay 1.4 was necessary for some particular features, i forget what precisely. chose to not go all the way to 1.6 to mitigate risk. [00:35]
benkay oh yeah, did i mention the stack automation and rearchitecture? [00:35]
Duffer1 it's a great looking sight though, i love the homepage [00:36]
benkay there was enough risk in this project that 1.6 made me uncomfortable and i stopped the upgrade at the release that bought us the features we needed. [00:36]
truffles they should have a subcategory "exotic plants" [00:36]
benkay thanks! the owner did the wires and we implemented it. [00:36]
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benkay anyways, we have availability for other projects. [00:36]
mike_c i upgraded to 1.6 recently without many bumps. but i think i went from 1.4, so less risk [00:36]
truffles fruits* [00:37]
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ThickAsThieves benkay, have you ever done anything in online education software [00:39]
mike_c bitcointalk is unusable. if only they had thousands of btc to improve the site with. [00:39]
benkay i've played with plenty. [00:40]
benkay is there something specific to the online education software domain that's not applicable to general webappery? [00:40]
ThickAsThieves nope [00:40]
benkay what are you curious about? [00:41]
ThickAsThieves just having a bad run with the team on it [00:41]
ThickAsThieves and the two before that [00:41]
benkay ouch [00:41]
benkay what's the stack? [00:41]
ThickAsThieves i'm pretty far removed from it now [00:41]
ThickAsThieves it's LAMP [00:41]
truffles http://plantlust.com/plants/solanum-muricatum/ wonder how this tastes , looks interesting [00:41]
ozbot Solanum muricatum | Pepino Dulce | Pear Melon | Sweet Cucumber| plant lust [00:42]
ThickAsThieves PHP [00:42]
benkay phpbrekla's your man for that [00:42]
ThickAsThieves he'd probly cry at this code [00:43]
dub I heard tux might be in the market [00:43]
benkay company line on php is "we're only interested in the project if the client is prepared to make a large investment in moving away from php" [00:43]
benkay that said we can always manage a project and assemble a team for the right price. [00:43]
benkay there is a php fee tho :( [00:43]
ThickAsThieves the investment, in my eyes, would be in a team that can be counted on and is proficient [00:44]
ThickAsThieves the PHP is incidental [00:44]
pankkake I used to be in a php shop, but we did pass twice on a project that was simply… impossible to comprehend [00:44]
ThickAsThieves of course cost determines all in the end [00:44]
ThickAsThieves they are finally installing the new version of the software onto a live server this week [00:45]
ThickAsThieves after like 18mos [00:45]
benkay ka yikes [00:45]
benkay first thing we typically do is set up infrastructure, CI and low-friction deploys. [00:45]
ThickAsThieves and I had bigger plans for it, so it needs ongoing work [00:45]
jurov https://www.quakenet.org/articles/102-press-release-irc-networks-under-systematic-attack-from-governments [00:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00086853 = 10.2869 BTC [+] [00:46]
truffles too free? [00:46]
benkay There is a clear need for governments to be able to hold internet users accountable for their actions if they are engaged in performing or supporting illegal activities. [00:47]
benkay my ass [00:47]
truffles end of irc? [00:47]
benkay there is a clear need for networks that route around governments. [00:47]
dub cracknet at it again [00:48]
benkay anyways, thanks for enduring my pitch, -assets. [00:48]
truffles http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/oct/08/april-jones-matthew-woods-jailed makes me think of this [00:48]
ozbot April Jones: Matthew Woods jailed over explicit Facebook comments | UK news | The Guardian [00:48]
Duffer1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2014#476255 [00:49]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [00:49]
ThickAsThieves benkay i was considering a business path of: 1. Implement and use it with this school, work out bugs, add anything obviously needed 2. Approach several clients in other training fields (Hazardous Goods Shipping for example) and offer hosted solutions, making the software cater to more industries 3. Convert to SaaS DIY Training Lesson Builder [00:49]
ThickAsThieves it's been a while since i looked into possible competition though [00:50]
benkay sounds like a great model [00:50]
benkay eh i wouldn't worry about competition. instead, focus on landing clients, making them happy and taking their money. [00:50]
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ThickAsThieves well as things form i may hit you up for costing [00:51]
dub Duffer1: oh boy [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0031191 = 0.3119 BTC [+] {2} [00:53]
dub wake up the philosoraptor [00:54]
truffles " we have contacted or been contacted by law enforcement agencies and provided our co-operation" but why :( [00:55]
truffles irc srs biz [00:55]
ThickAsThieves whats that truffles? [00:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.0031 = 0.1519 BTC [-] [00:55]
truffles didnt know these networks would invovle law into matters with users [00:56]
Duffer1 TaT it's from Jurov's link above [00:56]
Duffer1 GCHQ ddosing irc [00:57]
jayk government? [00:57]
jayk yeah quakenet [00:57]
jayk lame [00:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10465 @ 0.00087194 = 9.1249 BTC [+] [01:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 132 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1113 BTC [+] [01:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086976 = 7.6539 BTC [-] {2} [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.00084299 = 0.1096 BTC [+] [01:13]
pankkake [2014-02-07 00:11:21] Network difficulty changed to 62.7k (449.0Gh/s) [01:14]
pankkake I guess I should still be able to find blocks solo [01:14]
dub doge? [01:17]
pankkake Altcoin [01:17]
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KRS-One U guys ready for teh pump [01:21]
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KRS-One lol@sturles [01:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00301007 = 0.1084 BTC [-] {2} [01:24]
ThickAsThieves sourcecodez! https://github.com/therealaltcoin/altcoin [01:24]
ThickAsThieves someone plz confirm i github'd that right [01:25]
ThickAsThieves i'm a newb [01:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.00300075 = 0.8672 BTC [-] {3} [01:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0030003 = 3.0003 BTC [-] [01:26]
pankkake that works [01:26]
ThickAsThieves cool [01:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00311964 = 0.1248 BTC [+] [01:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00086813 = 12.067 BTC [-] [01:37]
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dub need to make another build box [01:44]
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dub can't play with the other kids [01:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00086782 = 15.7509 BTC [-] {2} [01:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC [02:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.129 = 0.645 BTC [+] [02:03]
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herbijudlestoids hullos [02:07]
ThickAsThieves hi [02:10]
herbijudlestoids woah nelly! [02:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04837803 = 0.4838 BTC [-] [02:14]
herbijudlestoids http://imgur.com/ywEtbit,t5FOySy,fGcgGH1,eSixHLf distribution, vols, volume, DPO [02:14]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [02:14]
herbijudlestoids hectic..what happened to MPOE [02:14]
KRS-One Pussy Riot was on Colbert Report today [02:15]
KRS-One something sexy about the cryllic language spoken by young hot womens. [02:15]
KRS-One .bait [02:15]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7d310VZ81ql928yo1_500.png [02:15]
herbijudlestoids was there a dividend payout or something? [02:17]
pankkake http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197851 [02:17]
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ozbot Wozniak To Apple: Consider Building an Android Phone - Slashdot [02:17]
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Duffer1 still wouldn't buy it [02:18]
ThickAsThieves Wozniak To Apple: Aren't You Glad I'm Not Your Boss? [02:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.0008678 = 11.8889 BTC [-] {2} [02:19]
pankkake .bait quality bait lately [02:19]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mefeijiE8y1ra0mryo1_500.jpg [02:19]
pankkake :( [02:19]
ThickAsThieves jinxed it [02:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04837802 = 0.2419 BTC [-] [02:21]
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herbijudlestoids so KRS-One did bitfinex come good last night? or still busted? [02:33]
ThickAsThieves some lols: [02:33]
ThickAsThieves This https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4981819#msg4981819 and [02:34]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4985587#msg4985587 [02:34]
ozbot iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions [02:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086813 = 10.8516 BTC [+] [02:36]
herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: lel [02:40]
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punkman1 "There iz only one good substitute for the endearments ov a sister, and that iz the endearments ov sum other pheller's sister." [02:43]
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punkman1 .bait [02:43]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/4ef65f4b99ad049395011dcd2f0a16a9/tumblr_min8n9s0uN1rbc3jyo1_500.jpg [02:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086705 = 1.7341 BTC [-] [02:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1350 @ 0.00311923 = 4.211 BTC [+] {13} [02:54]
benkay if you're upset about apple not allowing bitcoins on the iphone, you understand neither apple's business models nor bitcoin. [02:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00312349 = 3.1235 BTC [+] {2} [02:55]
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wao-ender price rush [02:57]
wao-ender .bait [02:58]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/4f372e02b4a81a3a23c1a0df6b2ea957/tumblr_miqpsg71IJ1r8825ko1_500.jpg [02:58]
wao-ender ThickAsThieves: lol [02:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00086813 = 13.0654 BTC [+] [02:59]
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pankkake nice tittoo [03:05]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451897.msg4986222#msg4986222 [03:11]
ozbot iPhone 5 phones destroyed in protest against Apple's anti-Bitcoin actions [03:11]
benkay dumb and dumberer. [03:11]
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nubbins` with updated graph [03:12]
benkay nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486092 [03:12]
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nubbins` benkay, +1 [03:12]
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sypher_ hi all [03:20]
Duffer1 hello sir [03:20]
benkay good evening [03:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00086813 = 22.3978 BTC [+] [03:23]
sypher_ any hindsight on whats happening now? [03:24]
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benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg [03:24]
gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 771.23, Best ask: 773.38, Bid-ask spread: 2.15000, Last trade: 772.88, 24 hour volume: 56992.51, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 798.18 [03:24]
benkay gox is falling apart and everyone's trying to cover? [03:24]
sypher_ aight. [03:24]
benkay dunno man ask a speculator [03:24]
sypher_ was looking at the gox graph of cleared transactions, few minutes ago they started clearing them in bulk ... [03:24]
sypher_ or pretending to do so. [03:25]
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benkay how would they go about pretending to clear them? [03:25]
sypher_ graph data is coming off their servers afaik. [03:25]
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herbijudlestoids sypher_: got a link to the graph? [03:28]
sypher_ http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html [03:28]
ozbot Mt.Gox Withdrawals - Coinsight.org [03:28]
benkay dat average withdrawal size lol [03:30]
benkay "ATTENTION ALL MINNOWS. POOL IS CLOSED." [03:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14170 @ 0.00086705 = 12.2861 BTC [-] [03:32]
herbijudlestoids sypher_: thoughts? [03:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7386 @ 0.00012998 = 0.96 BTC [+] {4} [03:33]
herbijudlestoids to me it looks like they have been clearing the smaller transactions [03:33]
herbijudlestoids that is why the avg withdrawal transaction amount is going down [03:33]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, i'm just a noob so i may have completely wrong thoughts. [03:34]
sypher_ I'm thinking that big ones are playing to make it go down so they can buy in cheaper, having it rebound later [03:35]
herbijudlestoids well they can already buy it on bitstamp or other exchanges for significantly cheaper than the mtgox price [03:35]
sypher_ not talking mtgox [03:35]
sypher_ looking at btce and bitstamp [03:36]
herbijudlestoids err no, i meant opinions on the withdrawal transactoins...nevermind [03:36]
sypher_ sorry, told you, noobish. [03:36]
sypher_ :) [03:36]
sypher_ was just here to try and understand that pattern there ;) [03:37]
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herbijudlestoids which pattern where [03:37]
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sypher_ btce, big sell orders that aren't getting fulfilled, seems to me that many are panic selling under those and thats driving it down quite a bit [03:38]
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sypher_ then the big sell order gets cancelled and put at a lower price, but not getting fulfilled... doing like that since 165 earlier. [03:39]
sypher_ 765 sorry. [03:39]
herbijudlestoids ignore the orders in the book [03:39]
herbijudlestoids real volume hits the market directly [03:39]
nubbins` fun fact, if you have btc or usd in mtgox, you're part of the problem! :D [03:39]
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sypher_ glad i don't have them then :-) just bought in at 162 on btce, now I'm in almost panic selling mode. :D [03:40]
herbijudlestoids sypher_: my guess is its much simpler and that the price on the shitty exchanges is going down to match the price on the good exchanges [03:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013001 = 0.455 BTC [+] [03:41]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, name a couple good exchanges? [03:41]
nubbins` ^ trick question [03:42]
sypher_ lol, why is that nubbins` ? [03:42]
nubbins` obvious answer is correct one ;D [03:42]
sypher_ haha. :) [03:42]
herbijudlestoids the ones clearing transactions successfully, at high volume and with no regulatory issues [03:42]
herbijudlestoids check the bid/ask spread to see which has the narrowest and most liquid spread [03:42]
sypher_ seems like naming them is out of the etiquette here, sorry for the question, didn't know [03:43]
sypher_ will do [03:43]
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nubbins` i kid [03:43]
herbijudlestoids its not out of etiquette, i dunno for sure so im not gonna name a name [03:43]
Duffer1 the point was there aren't any to name hehe [03:43]
nubbins` implication is that there aren't good exchanges, just varying degrees of shitty [03:43]
herbijudlestoids like i said, you can verify quantitatively by analysis of the bdi/ask spread [03:43]
sypher_ ah, got you guys, thanks for the hand holding [03:44]
herbijudlestoids on mtgox right now the spread is $5, bitfinex $0 bitstamp $2, btc $1 and icbit $4 [03:45]
herbijudlestoids so i would just discard mtgox and icbit for analysis, concentrate on the liquidity of the spread for bitfinex and bitstamp [03:45]
herbijudlestoids err s/btc/btce [03:45]
sypher_ why excluding btce? [03:45]
sypher_ i mean, why only bitfinex and bistamp, not btce? [03:46]
herbijudlestoids ^ [03:46]
herbijudlestoids i did include btce sorry, there was a typo [03:46]
herbijudlestoids use yer brain [03:46]
sypher_ ;) i meant on the one that you would concentrate ;) [03:46]
herbijudlestoids use your brain, interpret what im saying. dont let a typo trip you up [03:47]
sypher_ aight :) [03:47]
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herbijudlestoids i feel like the space left by http://casascius.com/ and coldcoins is an interesting space [03:53]
herbijudlestoids any thoughts on what it might take to do it right? [03:54]
Duffer1 don't live in the US? [03:54]
sypher_ lol [03:55]
herbijudlestoids i dont [03:55]
Duffer1 comply with your local money transmitter laws and you're probably ok [03:55]
herbijudlestoids so, sell on darkmarkets instead? lol [03:56]
punkman1 why do you think physical coins are interesting? [03:57]
herbijudlestoids not so much physical coins as metal (i.e. fireproof) cold storage [03:57]
herbijudlestoids i think its interesting because its a necessary dimension for all who might want to save bitcoins securely for a long duration [03:58]
punkman1 I don't see the advantage [03:58]
herbijudlestoids where is mircea_popescu when you need him [03:58]
herbijudlestoids punkman1: advantage over...a USB key? [03:58]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, wouldn't it just be simpler to print it yourself instead of a metal trinket with an embedded key somewhere? [03:59]
punkman1 sure [03:59]
herbijudlestoids sypher_: if you print it, ink fades, paper burns, etc [03:59]
herbijudlestoids punkman1: well lets say i put 1,000 BTC into a USB key and encrypt it securely etc and then my house burns down [03:59]
punkman1 why would you not have a backup of that? [03:59]
Duffer1 casc coins don't solve that herb hehe [04:00]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, chroma life 100years, printed on photographic paper; USB key with a backup in a bank safety box [04:00]
herbijudlestoids Duffer1: les casc and more cold in that use case [04:00]
Duffer1 mill out a qr code on aluminum would do nicely [04:00]
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sypher_ but i do like the idea of metal coins; if only, as 'ego' items ... [04:01]
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punkman1 herbijudlestoids: I think it's a solution looking for a problem [04:01]
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sypher_ i also dig the usb - bit coin enabled key on almost human tv series :-) [04:02]
herbijudlestoids punkman1: appreciate the opinion :) [04:02]
herbijudlestoids its well out of my realm of understanding [04:02]
punkman1 it's pretty much the same as backing up any other piece of data [04:03]
punkman1 if your house burns down, you got fetch it from the offsite backup [04:03]
herbijudlestoids i guess i get what youre saying, that having the wallet files stored in multiple locations securely is probly as good as a cold storage device itself [04:03]
punkman1 wallet file, long brainwallet key, whatever [04:04]
herbijudlestoids yea [04:04]
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sypher_ and I'm back in fiat. [04:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8873 @ 0.00086703 = 7.6932 BTC [-] {2} [04:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00313499 = 0.2947 BTC [-] [04:15]
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nubbins` herbijudlestoids: an embossed labelmaker with some aluminum ribbon, say [04:21]
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herbijudlestoids nubbins`: why not, for example, laser engraving direct to steel? [04:30]
asciilifeform simple recipe: [04:31]
asciilifeform etch a circuit board [04:31]
nubbins` sure, bit of a higher barrier to entry. [04:31]
nubbins` i don't have a laser [04:31]
asciilifeform about $50 in supplies [04:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086813 = 6.0769 BTC [+] [04:31]
asciilifeform fiberglass will last centuries, copper might corrode but will still be readable. [04:31]
asciilifeform (gold plate it if you want to be sure.) [04:31]
nubbins` don't you need caustic chemicals for that? [04:31]
herbijudlestoids but how does it handle in a fire asciilifeform? :D [04:31]
asciilifeform nope [04:32]
asciilifeform handles great in fire. [04:32]
asciilifeform will look very ugly but keep its shape. [04:32]
nubbins` hm, i'm obviously not up to speed [04:32]
herbijudlestoids hmmm, i havent etched a board since i was in high school [04:32]
asciilifeform ferric chloride will do [04:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 27 @ 0.005 = 0.135 BTC [04:32]
nubbins` wait, you said no corrosive chems! [04:32]
asciilifeform corrosive to copper, that's it [04:33]
nubbins` not manflesh? [04:34]
asciilifeform not particularly. [04:34]
asciilifeform don't eat it. [04:34]
nubbins` interesting [04:34]
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pankkake http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/07/apple-approves-dogecoin-wallet-app-ios/ [04:44]
ThickAsThieves lol [04:45]
sypher_ http://rt.com/business/bitcoin-russia-use-ban-942/ [04:45]
ThickAsThieves read-only [04:45]
sypher_ russia seems gone >_> [04:46]
nubbins` mydoge on ios [04:46]
nubbins` ah, my sides [04:46]
nubbins` smash all the things! [04:46]
asciilifeform meanwhile, http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/ [04:46]
nubbins` ^ read that, actually not bad [04:47]
nubbins` canada post already sells numismatic coins from the mint [04:47]
nubbins` and postal money orders, of course [04:47]
nubbins` so it's not a huge leap [04:47]
sypher_ was reading about the USPS but its just a few talks atm, even the article itself is cautious [04:48]
nubbins` nod [04:50]
nubbins` high-level meeting [04:50]
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KRS-One such wow. much credibility. [04:53]
KRS-One http://rt.com/usa/us-postal-service-bitcoin-780/ [04:53]
nubbins` KRS-One, scroll up nine lines. [04:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4882 @ 0.00086813 = 4.2382 BTC [+] [04:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 21 @ 0.005 = 0.105 BTC {2} [05:03]
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nubbins` http://silvergoldbull.com/silver/1-oz-2014-bitcon-silver-round [05:05]
nubbins` heh [05:05]
ozbot Silver Gold Bull - 1 oz 2014 BitCON Silver Round - Silver [05:05]
nubbins` another lame round from Silver Beatoff Silver Shit [05:05]
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sypher_ uff, when's it gonna stop falling ... i wanna go to sleep! ... >_> [05:08]
herbijudlestoids sypher_: what kind of games are you playing that youre losing sleep over the movement [05:09]
sypher_ nothing, just excited to see the troll box on BTCe with all the boys shouting ... i just wanna buy back in when its gonna stop fallin; exited at a loss some time ago. [05:10]
herbijudlestoids what price did you want to buy at? [05:11]
sypher_ 722 would be my target [05:12]
herbijudlestoids why not do a options spread on MPex? short the 722 puts [05:13]
herbijudlestoids and long whatever appropriately derisks you [05:13]
herbijudlestoids price goes to 722 and you get exercised, if not collect premium [05:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00086838 = 8.5101 BTC [+] {2} [05:14]
sypher_ you're way over my understanding grade. I'm at the 'buy low; sell high' phase; which i could translate in 'i'm an idiot'. :-) [05:16]
herbijudlestoids options give you the right but not the obligation to long/short the underlying asset at a given strike price and date ...e.g the option to long BTCUSD at 1000 regardless of the price as of Jan 2014 [05:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00086849 = 6.4268 BTC [+] [05:18]
herbijudlestoids option to long is a call, option to short is a put. if you sell a put, youre selling the right for someone to short at a given price [05:18]
herbijudlestoids so you sell someone the contract which gives them the right to short BTCUSD at 722. they will never exercise this contract unless the price is <= 722 [05:18]
KRS-One heh thanks nubbins` [05:19]
nubbins` :D [05:19]
KRS-One oops [05:19]
herbijudlestoids if the contract expires or the price doesnt go below 722, you get to keep the "premium", the cost of the contract you sold [05:19]
herbijudlestoids if it does, then they exercise and short BTCUSD at 722, leaving you long BTCUSD at 722 [05:19]
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herbijudlestoids i dun know if MPEX supports naked short the contracts, looks like they only allow you to do what they call a SPLIT order, otherwise known as an options spread, so you short the 722 puts and long some distant strike call, like 1000 calls. [05:20]
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nubbins` sorry for the stupid question, but i'm exceptionally thick with this sort of thing [05:21]
nubbins` that orgy of puts that was purchased the other day [05:21]
nubbins` purchaser is expecting btc to fall below ~500 or whatever it was? [05:21]
herbijudlestoids its impossible to tell really [05:22]
herbijudlestoids they could be insuring long contracts on another exchange or other options [05:22]
herbijudlestoids maybe they hold 1000BTC on bitstamp and want to insure against the price going below 500 [05:22]
nubbins` slightly different question, purchaser profits if btc falls below 500? [05:22]
herbijudlestoids depends entirely on implied vol [05:23]
nubbins` just based on those actions [05:23]
herbijudlestoids if the price goes to 500 but IV when puts were purchased was at 50% and goes down to 20% then the puts might still be worthless [05:23]
benkay herbijudlestoids: no naked shorts on MPEx. [05:23]
herbijudlestoids value of option includes delta, theta, vega etc [05:23]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, thanks for the explanation, I'm trying to get my head around it [05:24]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: buying puts tends to be more of a call on IV than anything else...term structure also plays a part in profit, take a look at the NYSE listed VXX ETF versus VIX for an example of what term structure being in contango can do to a rolling IV long [05:25]
dexX7 huh wasn't it the other way around aka. this guy sold puts? [05:25]
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herbijudlestoids well, someone obviously sold the puts to the buyer [05:25]
nubbins` D: [05:25]
herbijudlestoids if there is no naked puts then they must have been written against something [05:25]
dexX7 the guyer was mpex/oe? [05:25]
herbijudlestoids i doubt its possible to know [05:26]
nubbins` afaik mpoe uses bond deposits to back options [05:26]
nubbins` although i'm barely at the level of understanding what i just said [05:26]
herbijudlestoids no i think youre correct, but i dont know anything about it specifically [05:27]
dexX7 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479337 [05:27]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [05:27]
herbijudlestoids yea [05:27]
dexX7 soo.. if i understand correctly, when the price goes up, this guy wins, right? [05:28]
dexX7 just to be sure hehe [05:28]
nubbins` no idea anymore [05:29]
herbijudlestoids so the trader is shorting BTCUSD 500 puts [05:29]
herbijudlestoids the trade is a bet on IV being high and leveling off or going down, and that they wont get exercised (i.e. the price wont go below 500) [05:29]
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herbijudlestoids if BTCUSD goes to 1200 in 1s then IV will go up and the value of the puts will increase commensurately...when puts are fare OTM (out of the money) then their intrinsic value is mostly comprised of IV [05:30]
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herbijudlestoids if BTCUSD stays at 750 for 2 weeks without budging and IV goes down then the value of the puts goes down and whoever short them profits [05:31]
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herbijudlestoids IV==implied volatility [05:31]
herbijudlestoids am i making sense? [05:31]
herbijudlestoids the value of the option isnt dependent just on price [05:32]
nubbins` you're talking about a foot above my head here, but the failing is mine, not yours [05:32]
sypher_ nubbins`, think about how i feel; knowing that you're a whole 2 legs over my head. :-) [05:33]
nubbins` i'm a tall man :D [05:33]
herbijudlestoids there is no set in stone method to calculate the value of an option. there is the black scholes model which has its proponents and detractors. regardless of which model you use, there is a bunch of standard inputs called the greeks [05:33]
nubbins` sure [05:33]
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herbijudlestoids delta, vega, theta, rho [05:34]
herbijudlestoids there is also some others like lambda and gamma, depending on your model [05:34]
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herbijudlestoids now aside from all of this, there is the current market price that the options are worth [05:35]
herbijudlestoids lets stick with the example of a JAN 2015 $2000 BTCUSD CALL [05:35]
nubbins` okay [05:35]
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herbijudlestoids the market price of the options "imply" what the market is considering the value of those greeks will be at settlement [05:35]
nubbins` the greeks are seismographs, for lack of a better analogy, correct? [05:36]
herbijudlestoids does that make sense? the market price of any given option might be very far away from what your model reckons it should be [05:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00086849 = 8.7283 BTC [+] [05:36]
nubbins` yes, sure [05:36]
herbijudlestoids so the market is implying, forecasting, trying to get the best price for what they think the options are worth [05:36]
herbijudlestoids the forecast isnt just for where the price of BTCUSD will be relativeto $2000 in a years time [05:37]
herbijudlestoids its also forecasting vega, delta etc [05:37]
herbijudlestoids some of the greeks are numeric values that you can simply calculate, like theta, which is the time value of the option. [05:37]
herbijudlestoids depending how far ITM/OTM (in the money or out of the money) the option is depends on what the market price of the option actually consists of [05:38]
herbijudlestoids for example, if the option is far OTM (e.g. the price of BTCUSD is $1 and the call is for $2000) then the value of the option will consist mostly of vega and theta (which is decaying as time goes on) [05:38]
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nubbins` is it fair to say that the price of a given option indicates not only an expectation of price, but of volatility? [05:39]
herbijudlestoids like i said, depends how far ITM/OTM [05:39]
* nubbins` nods [05:39]
benkay yes. that is a core valuation principle. [05:39]
benkay sometimes a heavier factor than other times. [05:39]
herbijudlestoids now options have some synthetic equivalency [05:40]
sypher_ uhm. [05:40]
sypher_ herbijudlestoids, nubbins`, got an account at gox? [05:41]
herbijudlestoids i.e. shorting a $2000 call has the same/similar payoff profile (at settlement) to long $2000 put [05:41]
herbijudlestoids sypher_: no [05:41]
herbijudlestoids i own 0.02BTC [05:41]
sypher_ there's a kinda bad news I'm reading on the troll box [05:41]
herbijudlestoids pastebin it [05:41]
sypher_ gox hacked [05:41]
herbijudlestoids pastebin! [05:41]
sypher_ https://twitter.com/revishere/status/431604103769104384 [05:41]
copumpkin isn't that hte old one? [05:42]
ozbot Twitter / revishere: RT @deletesec: @MtGox ... [05:42]
nubbins` that tweet is from yesterday [05:42]
nubbins` and to answer your question, no, i don't have an account at gox [05:43]
copumpkin the tweet might be [05:43]
copumpkin but is the list ancient? [05:43]
dexX7 it's the old one from 2011 [05:43]
dexX7 matches one to one [05:43]
copumpkin yeah [05:43]
sypher_ then fake >_> [05:44]
dexX7 yup fake. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94308.0 if you want to compare the lists [05:44]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: need more or make sense now? [05:44]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids, that clarifies things a bit, but i think what i really need is to visit the library [05:44]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: there is this awesome blogger bill luby, he does vixandmore.blogspot.com ...hardcore options geekery explained for the masses. [05:45]
herbijudlestoids mostly for regular markets but its all the same maths [05:45]
nubbins` ah, like the Scientific American of finance [05:46]
herbijudlestoids i actually got a kickass long vol model for NYSE index ETFs, probly wouldnt work on MPex [05:47]
mike_c nubbins, options are entirely about volatility. option pricing is "known", with volatility being the only variable in the equation. [05:47]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: one last point is that you can build positions that are much more dependent on IV than price, for example if i buy a call and buy a put for the same strike and expiry [05:48]
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herbijudlestoids mike_c: err, well the underlying price isnt known :P [05:48]
mike_c strike price is known, spot price is known [05:49]
mike_c IV is the only variable [05:49]
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herbijudlestoids lemme know how your IV only model works if MPBOR decides to move or whatever [05:52]
mike_c :) are you saying mpbor is a risk-free interest rate? [05:53]
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herbijudlestoids well in the case of MPex options are you saying there is no rho? [05:54]
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herbijudlestoids is the market so locally inefficient that price forecasting ability plays no role in alpha generation? [05:54]
herbijudlestoids i doubt [05:54]
benkay lol mpbonds risk free [05:55]
nubbins` ^ [05:56]
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mike_c sry herb, yes. i am saying rho=0 [05:57]
herbijudlestoids well in that case ok [05:59]
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mod6 $vwap ^OIX [06:29]
mpexbot mod6: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 106.61730011 high: 106.48204971 low: 122.22370491 volume: 1556 btc: 33.85537371 30 day: no data [06:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.003135 = 0.1944 BTC [+] [06:32]
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benkay do you know what's a horrible protocol? the bitcoin network protocol. that's a horrible protocol. [07:07]
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benkay leastaways horribly specified on the wiki [07:07]
benkay maybe i better dig into the satoshi emails or something. [07:07]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 260 @ 0.005 = 1.3 BTC [07:28]
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herbijudlestoids yey [07:43]
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assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [07:45]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [07:45]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [07:45]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [07:45]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [07:45]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) [07:45]
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herbijudlestoids http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/high-frequency-bitcoins-hft-firms-now-accepting-btc-payment [07:49]
ozbot High Frequency Bitcoins: HFT Firms Now Accepting BTC Payment | Zero Hedge [07:49]
herbijudlestoids GoCoin is racking up a lot of wins recently it seems [07:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999991 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2} [07:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00086763 = 4.6852 BTC [-] [07:53]
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Namworld hey chaaang, long time no see [07:58]
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herbijudlestoids gocoin appears to be a payment processor competing against bitpay [08:05]
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herbijudlestoids i had never heard of it, but in the last few days iv seen articles about them landing some high profile sounding clients [08:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.003138 = 0.2165 BTC [+] [08:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086771 = 7.8528 BTC [+] [08:11]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids if only press mattered, all these doge/maxkeiser/go/blablacoins would be oh so important. [08:15]
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ozbot GoCoin Payment Platform - Litecoin and Bitcoin Payment Processing for Merchants [08:17]
mircea_popescu whoa look at that, btc dropped / [08:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/714/bitcoin-will-top-1200-before-going-under-800/#c2438 << css hacked!!1 [08:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00086744 = 6.3323 BTC [-] {2} [08:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7770 @ 0.00086717 = 6.7379 BTC [-] {2} [08:31]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: err [08:34]
herbijudlestoids its a payment processor that just landed a HFT hedge fund [08:35]
Namworld_AFK No, I don't. I worked at BitVPS for a while tho [08:35]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids gocoin is not an altcoin ? [08:35]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: see the zerohedge link above pls [08:35]
mircea_popescu i;ll take your word for it. [08:36]
herbijudlestoids its not zh content, repaste from FT, i used the zh link cos most people dont have a FT account [08:36]
Namworld I own BitcoinPride tho [08:37]
herbijudlestoids anyway, going for a long walk... if youre around when i get back i wouldnt mind askin you about the huge volatility spike on MPOE [08:37]
mircea_popescu prolly not as it's late, but tomorrow or w/e [08:37]
herbijudlestoids nw, thx [08:38]
mircea_popescu a look it dropped a little [08:38]
mircea_popescu i guess people misunderstanding the large option play. [08:38]
Namworld Arij [08:38]
Namworld He's from New York. He manages BitVPS's servers in a colo center in NY. [08:39]
Namworld Mostly IRC [08:41]
Namworld He's in here right now. [08:42]
Namworld He might be sleeping at this time tho [08:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.04822486 = 0.3376 BTC [-] {3} [08:45]
davout morning [08:45]
mircea_popescu heya. [08:46]
mircea_popescu !t m x.eur [08:46]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00172845 / 0.00172845 / 0.00172845 (850 shares, 1.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00166806 / 0.00170763 / 0.001773 (4111 shares, 7.02 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00172972 / 0.0019975 (18300 shares, 31.65 BTC) [08:46]
mircea_popescu davout how come bitcoincharts doesn't list any data from bc ? [08:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1200 @ 0.00183028 = 2.1963 BTC [+] [08:53]
davout because i haven't bothered to look into it since we relaunched [08:53]
mircea_popescu mebbe bug tcatm [08:54]
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davout no it's on my side [08:55]
mircea_popescu ah [08:55]
davout we used to have a bitcoin charts dedicated api point, which i haven't re-enabled since we relaunched [08:56]
davout because stuff [08:56]
KRS-One maaaaaaaaan everybody's buggin about the market prices going down. [09:01]
KRS-One Hey Chaaang-Noi long time [09:02]
KRS-One great [09:02]
kakobrekla KRS-One whats with the btc, we are poor again [09:02]
KRS-One it will be time to start buying kakobrekla [09:03]
KRS-One Like mircea_popescu said a few weeks back there will be lower prices, capitulation and a slow and steady rise to the next bubble again..Seems reasonable. [09:04]
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mircea_popescu o, are we poor nao ? [09:05]
kakobrekla you cant even buy yesterdays bitcoin with a bitcoin [09:06]
kakobrekla pft [09:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8038 @ 0.00086771 = 6.9747 BTC [+] [09:06]
mircea_popescu yeah i guess so, coupla months ago i had mpoe shares worth 100k each and btc was 1200 [09:07]
mircea_popescu now they're 87k each and btc is 700 [09:07]
kakobrekla worthless [09:08]
KRS-One dump [09:08]
KRS-One =[ [09:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc (100*1200 - 87*700) / (87*700) [09:08]
gribble 0.970443349754 [09:08]
kakobrekla so [09:08]
kakobrekla https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140207.html [09:08]
ozbot MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange [09:08]
kakobrekla this is the cause of panic ? [09:08]
koin3d um no. [09:08]
KRS-One its certainly fueling things though [09:08]
kakobrekla do fuckin explain then koin3d [09:08]
kakobrekla russina news? [09:09]
koin3d bitcoins in a bear market since end of november duh? [09:09]
KRS-One koin3d: took forever eh [09:09]
koin3d last few weeks were trending down on no volume = bad sign [09:09]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha static state [09:10]
KRS-One My short positions have been making me seek cheaper swap [09:10]
koin3d 2-3 sellers unloading positions [09:10]
mircea_popescu patrickstaticstateman! [09:10]
koin3d panic went full blown last 15minutes probably near an end here [09:10]
koin3d oversold readings on gox worse now then silkroad [09:11]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431686847983403010 [09:12]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: So fatass Karpeles finally ... [09:12]
koin3d so what do mtgox traders do considering both btc and usd are now locked [09:14]
mircea_popescu they go read fml.tumbler.com ? [09:14]
koin3d im pretty sure most of the volume on gox was karpeles [09:15]
mircea_popescu yeah, you're not the only one. [09:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0047 = 0.188 BTC [-] {2} [09:17]
mircea_popescu been a sort of polichinelle's secret for a while now. [09:17]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, funny thing is that you called it months ago [09:17]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic what's even funner is that in another coupla weeks everyone will have called it months ago in their own estimation :D [09:18]
koin3d called what? that turd was floating for a year [09:18]
koin3d its about time it gets flushed [09:18]
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koin3d karpeles should be in jail instead of shrem [09:18]
Apocalyptic no shrem deserved it too [09:19]
koin3d why? [09:19]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic yes but it's like one of those math problems. karpeles doens't fit with anyone else :D [09:19]
Apocalyptic he was an idiot [09:19]
koin3d shrems only idiocity was going around preaching how great the government is [09:19]
koin3d then gets fucking owned by them lol [09:19]
mircea_popescu not quite, but anyway. [09:20]
koin3d yes quite. [09:20]
koin3d and shrem never engaged in money laundering [09:21]
mircea_popescu what's this, the webchat strong opinions service ? [09:21]
koin3d at least not by any US definitions of it [09:21]
Apocalyptic koin3d, not quite no [09:21]
koin3d shrems also jewish, no jews get jail in NYC [09:22]
Apocalyptic he openly talked about how a drug user he was and deals with SR vendors [09:22]
koin3d they run the fking place [09:22]
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Apocalyptic "pround stoner" read some headline [09:22]
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koin3d apocalyptic: so? half of facebook is proud stoners [09:22]
Apocalyptic seriously what the fuck did he expect ? [09:22]
mircea_popescu is this guy dimsler ? [09:22]
koin3d he was made an example of [09:22]
Apocalyptic half of facebook isn't engaged in bitcoin-related activities and skating on thin ice [09:23]
koin3d shrems mistake was his big fucking mouth [09:23]
Apocalyptic yes, this we can agree upon [09:23]
Apocalyptic among other things [09:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086719 = 4.336 BTC [-] {2} [09:24]
koin3d mircea: your mouth is legendary too and i do believe US-romania have extradition treaties [09:24]
mircea_popescu dude check it out, it IS dimsler. [09:24]
mircea_popescu derpy, here's the thing : you gotta be someone before what you think matters. [09:25]
mircea_popescu this doesn't change just because internets. [09:25]
koin3d ? [09:25]
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koin3d that was the bottom [09:28]
koin3d and you heard it in real time [09:29]
mircea_popescu what "?" ?. your S01067cb21b2a491c.hm.shawcable.net (on which you also run a node, huh ?) comes from caledonia, ontario, canada. dimsler's dhcp-20-aa-4b-fd-a4-ce.cpe.sourcecable.net comes from... wait for it... hamilton. ontario. canada. [09:29]
mircea_popescu they're a whopping... 20km apart. [09:29]
koin3d eh? [09:29]
mircea_popescu so : forget about the jews, about the old timers getting somehow magically wiped off, get used with the idea that i rule btc and so on. [09:29]
koin3d the fuck you talking about [09:29]
mircea_popescu you'll manage a lot better. [09:29]
KRS-One heh [09:29]
mircea_popescu anyway, enough fun for one day. see y'all later. [09:30]
KRS-One bye [09:31]
koin3d mircea you are an old timer. [09:31]
koin3d and your mouth and scams are all over the internets [09:31]
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mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids "whoa nelly" lmao. [16:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.066 = 0.198 BTC [+] [16:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24574 @ 0.00086582 = 21.2767 BTC [-] {4} [16:36]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-find-out-if-youre-stupid-in-one-easy-step/ [16:38]
ozbot How to find out if you’re stupid in one easy step pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:38]
ThickAsThieves typo efect* [16:42]
Duffer1 more redistributed Fs [16:43]
Duffer1 mircea secretly going commie [16:43]
mircea_popescu wait what did i do [16:44]
herbijudlestoids i ran out of trilema quota already :( [16:44]
mircea_popescu o o lol [16:44]
herbijudlestoids i will have to wait a week to find out if im stupid [16:44]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids so buy a credit, what, are you george ? can't pay for parking ? [16:45]
herbijudlestoids im in the process of procuring some bitcoins [16:45]
herbijudlestoids gotta deposit n shit [16:46]
ThickAsThieves visit from tor [16:46]
mircea_popescu or from a proxy. or your mom's [16:46]
mircea_popescu etc. [16:46]
herbijudlestoids o shit yea i totally got a giant pool of IPs lol [16:46]
mircea_popescu drive 20 miles like the angry jew guy. [16:46]
herbijudlestoids sweet [16:46]
random_cat coinbase is a wallet service, even if they do not advertise as such [16:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02781608 = 0.6398 BTC [-] {9} [16:47]
mircea_popescu random_cat i didn't think they knew what they were. [16:47]
ThickAsThieves no they have a wallet feature [16:47]
random_cat this is possible [16:47]
mircea_popescu meanwhile back @stupid ranch, clueless journo working for obscure publication links to my article on cryptsy, calls me "a commenter". i point out to him he's embarrasing himself. [16:48]
mircea_popescu his reaction ? piling moar embarassment with both hands. [16:48]
mircea_popescu this is like the one thing god did right : all situations naturally evolve towards the largest lol content. [16:49]
random_cat i think they know they are a broker in bitcoin, and everything else is pr [16:49]
mircea_popescu random_cat i daresay they know they got a burn rate, and everything else is desperation [16:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06712174 = 0.537 BTC [+] {3} [16:49]
random_cat heh... welll there is that [16:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 29125 @ 0.00013099 = 3.8151 BTC [+] {3} [16:50]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` so what's your beef with the altcoinz ? [16:50]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:50]
ThickAsThieves they be amoral! [16:51]
random_cat not privy to the internals, but my casual observation is that their broker pricing could make them a fuckton of money [16:51]
ThickAsThieves his beef may just be with me [16:51]
Duffer1 i enjoyed that discussion [16:51]
ThickAsThieves i didnt [16:51]
Duffer1 lol [16:51]
mircea_popescu random_cat from outside all this shit looks like it makes tons of money. [16:51]
mircea_popescu then you get the leaks and discover bitcoinica was net negative for its entire life. [16:51]
random_cat heh [16:51]
mircea_popescu mtgox is STILL not above water, to this day, and i don't think it has 50-50 odds it ever will [16:52]
Duffer1 i tried not to pile on TaT, who the hell am I to tell you your conscience [16:52]
mircea_popescu etc. [16:52]
random_cat mtgox is looking particularly doomed [16:52]
ThickAsThieves Duffer1 its more than that [16:52]
random_cat but that has been true for a long time [16:52]
ThickAsThieves the conversation was several topics pretending to be one [16:52]
mircea_popescu random_cat this is what you get when you have random clueless fuckwits stuck with massive management takss. they don't know what to do. [16:53]
mircea_popescu and it doesn't take very much flailing to step on enough lightbulbs [16:53]
Duffer1 oh ya the poke at your pmg [16:53]
Duffer1 pmb [16:53]
Duffer1 meh, the alt discussion interested me [16:54]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/714/bitcoin-will-top-1200-before-going-under-800/ << check out the rich folks speculating proposition derivatives. [16:54]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin will top $1200 before going under $800 [16:54]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves if he doesn't like you that's you two's problem :D i'm more into trying to discern if he has something that's universally usable [16:54]
mircea_popescu !t m x.eur [16:56]
assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00172845 / 0.00180728 / 0.00183028 (1550 shares, 2.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00166806 / 0.00173534 / 0.00183028 (5311 shares, 9.22 BTC), 30D: 0.0016245 / 0.00173591 / 0.0019975 (19500 shares, 33.85 BTC) [16:56]
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mircea_popescu cool, the future's workin'! [16:56]
random_cat neither mtgox nor coinbase look like massive management projects from here: they look like operations which would fill the room i inhabit to the gills (and possibly cause fistfights) [16:57]
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mircea_popescu random_cat you are thinking like they are thinking, that "management" = "ops management" [17:00]
mircea_popescu this is perfectly untrue. first and foremost, management means strategic management. [17:00]
herbijudlestoids so mircea_popescu what was with the vol spike overnight [17:00]
mircea_popescu glengarry glen ross is NOT kevin spacey's character. [17:00]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids i have no idea. looks like some sort of panic or desperation. [17:01]
mircea_popescu either someone was a cp in a deal that had to be unwound and they had to liquidate, or else someone somehow figured i'm in the shit. [17:01]
ThickAsThieves volume is mostly traders, they got bored and their TA told them a correction was due [17:01]
mircea_popescu or w/e, maybe they just got bored. [17:01]
ThickAsThieves too slow [17:02]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:02]
mircea_popescu heh [17:02]
random_cat mircea_popescu: it only requires a leader.... i am making no assertions as to number or quality of generals [17:02]
mircea_popescu yes well the leader they ain't got. [17:02]
mircea_popescu no leader, no business. as unpleasant this truth may be. [17:02]
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mircea_popescu ah this is a good story. so : three years ago i write a scathing piece dropping dox on this romanian spammer guy. he gets really butthurt keeps calling my office to make btctalk-type legal threats and spends a while "ruining my reputation" on social media venues. eventually simmers down. [17:05]
chetty sorta like no president=no country :P [17:05]
random_cat eventually it collapses [17:05]
mircea_popescu apparently meanwhile forgets all about it, cause he just sent me a spam comment linking to his site. so i... accepted it, replaced his seo-optimized user name with his own name, and put a link to... the three year old article. [17:06]
mircea_popescu the advantages of living in a country the size of oregon are so very marked. [17:06]
mircea_popescu chetty that may be pushing it, the government is not supposed to be involved in economics. [17:06]
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random_cat ROFL [17:06]
mircea_popescu which means the us leadership is carnegie, not whoever was president, [17:06]
chetty operative word being "supposed" [17:07]
mircea_popescu much like the HRE leadership is fugger not maximilian. [17:07]
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mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me15otBzHe1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << anyone know the band ? [17:09]
pankkake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ladybirds - thank the "search image on google" extension [17:10]
ozbot The Ladybirds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [17:10]
mircea_popescu fuck me ?! [17:10]
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mircea_popescu no wai [17:11]
pankkake why [17:11]
wao-ender looks they are Czech [17:12]
wao-ender http://www.bandmap.cz/berusky [17:12]
mircea_popescu pankkake cause wrong heads. [17:12]
mircea_popescu wao-ender may be just a name coincidence [17:12]
wao-ender oh no, sry, yes [17:12]
wao-ender that was just their remake. [17:12]
wao-ender maybe also playing naked. [17:13]
wao-ender haha [17:13]
wao-ender Ladybirds 2.0 [17:13]
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ThickAsThieves http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801167/HasanBaglar_Cyprus_Shortlist_Open_Nature_Wildlife_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg [17:16]
ThickAsThieves http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801193/HairulAziziHarun_Malaysia_Shortlist_Open_SplitSecond_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg [17:16]
mircea_popescu whoa [17:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00086788 = 2.2131 BTC [-] {2} [17:18]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/6/5385468/sony-world-photography-awards-2014-shortlist [17:18]
ozbot Leaping wildebeest and cuddling cats: the 2014 Sony World Photography Awards shortlist | The Verge [17:18]
ThickAsThieves some of those are a bit too photoshopped [17:18]
ThickAsThieves but some cool stuff [17:18]
mircea_popescu the dancing mantises are really cool. [17:18]
ThickAsThieves http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801073/4_George-Logan_UK_Shortlist_Shortlist_Campaign_Professional-Competition-2014_PRESS_verge_super_wide.jpg [17:19]
ThickAsThieves http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801253/NicolasReusens_Spain_Shortlist_Open_NatureWildlife_2014_verge_super_wide.jpg [17:19]
mircea_popescu the old guy with the boat wow. [17:19]
ThickAsThieves surreal [17:19]
mircea_popescu ahahah the riding frog [17:21]
mircea_popescu i had a beetle just like that in cr. [17:21]
mircea_popescu we called him mr horny [17:21]
KRS-One .bait [17:21]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/9a1319a00b8750ac0d8c1ea63da6d05c/tumblr_mjbja19BLk1qcrnfro1_1280.jpg [17:21]
KRS-One That looks like somebody's mom. [17:22]
mircea_popescu http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/9801065/1_Sharon-Derhy_Israel_Shortlist_Travel_Professional-competition-2014_PRESS_verge_super_wide.jpg [17:22]
mircea_popescu there krs. [17:22]
mircea_popescu BOMBSHELL: Snowden downloaded entire roster of U.S. government - all names, home addresses and other personal info of **all** officials and gov't employees -- including law enforcement -- plus bankers, corporate boards of directors and more! [17:23]
mircea_popescu bwahaha [17:23]
KRS-One omg wow [17:23]
mircea_popescu next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG. [17:23]
mircea_popescu "Remember : we know where YOU live." [17:23]
KRS-One bitcoin should be mandatory currency of all governments [17:24]
KRS-One talk about transparency. [17:24]
KRS-One if they dont want to do it there must be a reason to not trust. !=trust [17:24]
KRS-One some exceptions would of course be intelligence and defense. [17:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0605 = 0.121 BTC [-] {2} [17:26]
KRS-One .bait [17:26]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/fadd2c25bb8a9445ed2b9aaf346c482e/tumblr_mx22f91ccr1qa1m48o1_1280.jpg [17:26]
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ThickAsThieves " [17:27]
ThickAsThieves Snowden has made it clear that if he is arrested, if he vanishes, or if he "dies" from any cause whatsoever, ALL of the information in his possession will be published publicly." [17:28]
ThickAsThieves is this site for real? [17:28]
mircea_popescu i can vouch for that, fwiw. [17:28]
asciilifeform in case anyone missed this gem: [17:30]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014/02/robert-hoffman-docs.pdf [17:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0001327 = 1.327 BTC [+] [17:37]
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ThickAsThieves i wonder if "waste heat" will be an mining pollution problem one day [17:41]
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herbijudlestoids ThickAsThieves: use the heat to power turbines to pump water uphill :D [17:48]
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pLambert over time, the block reward will go down, causing mining profit to decrease, and mining hardware efficiency will improve, so mining polution will never be a huge problem. [18:00]
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nubbins` hi [18:03]
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nubbins` ThickAsThieves: what makes you think i have a beef with you? ;p [18:04]
mircea_popescu over time, the block reward will go down, causing mining profit to decrease << that's not what drives the efficiency [18:05]
mircea_popescu over time, difficulty goes up forcing effiiciency up. [18:06]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: read the logs, jeez ;p [18:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i didn't think there was much merit to them is why i ask [18:06]
nubbins` i don't have a beef with alts at all! [18:06]
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mircea_popescu USD 658.26 735.69 815.06 awww. [18:06]
nubbins` rubecoin-in-a-box, on the other hand... [18:06]
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mircea_popescu hm ? [18:07]
nubbins` being "against alts" in general is silly, because how could you be against people experimenting with new ideas? [18:07]
mircea_popescu ikr? [18:08]
nubbins` my issue is with pumping out alts of no value whatsoever beyond providing a venue for cons to fleece rubes [18:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8994 @ 0.00086491 = 7.779 BTC [-] {2} [18:08]
nubbins` and then pretending -- tongue in cheek or not -- that they're serious [18:09]
mircea_popescu like https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431158708366626816 ? [18:09]
nubbins` sure [18:10]
mircea_popescu but i mean... [18:10]
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mircea_popescu what's one to do ? the internet is a contextless medium. i can put a disclaimer in there, and i do. nevertheless, ihave to fit it in 140 chars and anyone is just as likely to "get it" as to get it. [18:11]
nubbins` what one is to do is to suggest that the head gets cut off it before it gets out of hand [18:12]
mircea_popescu in a more general sense : as tempting as it may be, you can't allocate responsibility to actions by the "effect" they have on people. [18:12]
nubbins` and that leads us to yesterday's convo [18:12]
chetty Poll: More Americans 'Can't Live Without' Laptops, Smartphones Than Sex [18:12]
mircea_popescu hoffman's death is hoffman's problem, you can't be arresting rnadom dope dealers because this guy was a dope fiend. [18:12]
nubbins` wait, you can't arrest random dope dealers? [18:13]
mircea_popescu " rnadom dope dealers because this guy was a dope fiend" [18:13]
nubbins` no, you arrest random dope dealers because x number of people are dope fiends and it has a net negative effect on the society in which the dope dealing takes place [18:13]
mircea_popescu well this doesn't in practice work. [18:13]
nubbins` or you don't arrest them because there aren't enough dope fiends to give a fuck [18:13]
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nubbins` it doesn't work because more people will sell dope [18:14]
nubbins` doesn't mean you shouldn't try to convince dealers to stop dealing [18:14]
mircea_popescu no, it doesn't work because responsibility is not transitive. [18:14]
mircea_popescu you do the dope, you die. that's all there is. [18:14]
Apocalyptic what's the price of 1 ALT ? [18:15]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic about the same as a doge, ironically. [18:15]
nubbins` you do the dope, you spend your days breaking into houses and businesses to steal shit to buy dope [18:15]
nubbins` THIS is why people want dealers locked up [18:15]
mircea_popescu what people want is entirely irrelevant tho. [18:15]
nubbins` if everyone who dug a vein died, nobody'd care [18:15]
mike_c i thought we were all out of soapboxes after yesterday [18:15]
mircea_popescu people want what diogenes wanted : to be able to sate hunger the way they sate horniness [18:15]
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michiel_l_ midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [18:16]
michiel_l_ midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio [18:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c no cause i was out and missed all the action [18:16]
nubbins` consider the case of salvia divinorum. powerful drug, blast you to hyperspace. was legal in most places until a handful of years ago [18:16]
nubbins` because people weren't robbing convenience stores for salvia money [18:16]
mircea_popescu it's still legal you kidding me ? i have a bush in my garden [18:16]
mircea_popescu it's a spice. [18:16]
Duffer1 this chan has higher quality soap boxes, they last a while [18:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: that's a different salvia [18:16]
mircea_popescu yeah. right. [18:16]
nubbins` cooking sage [18:16]
mircea_popescu seer's sage dood. [18:17]
nubbins` smoke that, you'll get a headache [18:17]
nubbins` ...you have salvia divinorum in your garden. [18:17]
mike_c "if everyone who dug a vein died, nobody'd care" << you need a pretty strong soapbox to stand on that. [18:17]
herbijudlestoids people are talkin ethnobotanicals [18:17]
nubbins` mike_c: the bleeding hearts would care, sure. that's a given tho [18:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i don't get where you got the idea it's "illegal" [18:18]
mircea_popescu fucking spontaneous flora all over the world. [18:18]
* nubbins` shrugs [18:18]
nubbins` i don't make the laws [18:18]
mircea_popescu "Salvia divinorum remains legal in most countries and, within the United States, is legal in the majority of states. However, some have called for its prohibition." [18:18]
nubbins` i think the concept of an illegal plant is as foolish as anyone [18:18]
herbijudlestoids its a schedule 9 plant in australia [18:18]
mircea_popescu there, even wikipedia. [18:18]
nubbins` ah, wikipedia ;p [18:18]
chetty morning glory [18:18]
herbijudlestoids under the law judges can schedule it by weight the same as heroin and cocaine [18:18]
nubbins` TBH i haven't kept up on it in recent years, but i was under the impression that many individual states had prohibited it [18:18]
herbijudlestoids err s/schedule/sentence [18:19]
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nubbins` chetty: +1, although very soapy [18:19]
nubbins` chetty: also, leg cramps :( [18:19]
herbijudlestoids morning glory aka ipomoea violacea [18:19]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i couldn't name one tbh [18:19]
herbijudlestoids complex of lysergic acid amides produced by a fungal endophyte ;) [18:19]
nubbins` fun fact, i dosed myself on martha steward-branded morning glory once [18:19]
mircea_popescu but getting back to the point here : if some scammor is lieing through their teeth, usagi style, it's one thing to add a rider to their crap that whoa, jesus, scam. [18:20]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing that salvia has going for it is that it doesn't lend itself to abuse [18:20]
mircea_popescu can't possibly take this to the degree nobody can do anything anymore. [18:20]
herbijudlestoids in australia, TGA monitors the internet and schedules plants that they deem dangerous [18:20]
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nubbins` who's taking it to that degree? [18:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno! [18:20]
nubbins` :( [18:20]
nubbins` anyway, regarding this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486945 [18:21]
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nubbins` i'm just trying to reconcile "i wish to be a financial professional" with "i ran a PMB" / "i created a lelcoin" [18:21]
mircea_popescu well that may be a complex task. [18:21]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: interestingly, as the only hallucinogenic opioid it seems to have some anti-abuse properties and can assist in the treatment of addiction [18:21]
jayk yes [18:22]
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mircea_popescu i mean... i'm not going to hold it against some woman that she goes around naked in public. [18:22]
jayk mtgox took a hike [18:22]
mircea_popescu however, i'm not going to hold that as HER QUALIFICATION, most times. [18:22]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids: it works on opioid receptors, but isn't an opiate. odd plant. [18:22]
jayk oh boy [18:22]
jayk mtgox ceo [18:22]
mircea_popescu "The National Survey on Drug Use and Health, an annual US based survey sponsored by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), for 2006 estimated that about 1.8 million persons aged 12 or older had used Salvia divinorum in their lifetime, of which approximately 750,000 had done so in that year." [18:22]
herbijudlestoids kappa, not all the receptors [18:22]
mircea_popescu << they forgot to add "and under 15" [18:22]
nubbins` heh [18:22]
nubbins` i was 20 the first time i tried salvia [18:23]
nubbins` and i think 26 the last time [18:23]
mircea_popescu i don't get all you doods with the "trying" shit. have you tried the mains socket, too ? [18:23]
nubbins` nope, licked a 9V tho [18:23]
kakobrekla i tried mains socket. [18:23]
mircea_popescu me too, but that's besides the point [18:23]
herbijudlestoids well, personally trying certain things helped me a lot [18:23]
nubbins` the picture on the tv stopped moving and the room filled up diagonally with buzzing ;( [18:23]
mircea_popescu and it was unintentional anyway [18:23]
herbijudlestoids im a good boy these days [18:23]
kakobrekla yes, unintentional, several times. [18:23]
nubbins` anyway, what's not to get? [18:24]
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nubbins` you get to have an experience that your brain would never produce on its own [18:24]
nubbins` it's like being shown a new color [18:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` and this yo uwant because... [18:24]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: ever heard of the cult of eleusis? [18:24]
nubbins` curiosity, yo [18:24]
mircea_popescu dude the LAST thing on my to do list is being shown new colors [18:24]
jborkl nope, licked mains socket. [18:24]
mircea_popescu too many of the motherfuckers as it is. [18:24]
mircea_popescu and what the fuck is chartreuse anyway. [18:24]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: this is maybe the fundamental difference between us :D [18:24]
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herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: have you ever ingested an indole tryptamine before? [18:25]
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herbijudlestoids should try it at least once [18:26]
nubbins` "Salvia is an unapproved herbal supplement that is prohibited by law for sale in Canada." [18:26]
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mircea_popescu i guess it is. unless it's a girl showing it to me and the new color is some new shade of pink between her legs, i couldn't care less. [18:26]
mircea_popescu new colors pssssshh [18:26]
nubbins` heh [18:26]
nubbins` the doors of perception, &c! [18:26]
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mircea_popescu i prefer the depth of reflection [18:26]
mircea_popescu what's this, were all russian peasants looking for more land to farm ? [18:26]
nubbins` http://lege5.ro/Gratuit/geztembyge/ordonanta-de-urgenta-nr-6-2010-pentru-modificarea-si-completarea-legii-nr-143-2000-privind-prevenirea-si-combaterea-traficului-si-consumului-ilicit-de-droguri-si-pentru-completarea-legii-nr-339-2005-p [18:27]
herbijudlestoids the depth can be increased [18:27]
ozbot Ordonanta de urgenta nr. 6/2010 pentru modificarea si completarea Legii nr. 143/2000 privind preveni [18:27]
nubbins` better hide that plant from the cops [18:27]
nubbins` also, what herb said [18:27]
mircea_popescu dude you kidding me... [18:27]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: just try it once [18:28]
nubbins` how you gonna reflect with truth if you've got all the layers in the way? [18:28]
herbijudlestoids a goodly dose [18:28]
BingoBoingo RE: Coinbase - http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/7/5386222/a-string-of-thefts-hit-coinbase-bitcoins-most-reputable-wallet-service << This sort of "API Key" and "2FA" subversion started happening to Inputs.io not long before their hack/scam. Conclusion: Andreessen Horowitz might be TradeFortress [18:28]
herbijudlestoids then we can talk :P [18:28]
nubbins` if you ask me, a man isn't a man until he's experienced complete ego death [18:28]
nubbins` but hey, what makes me an expert [18:28]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` complete ego death of some other ego. [18:29]
* nubbins` shakes head [18:29]
mircea_popescu stop mixing things around bejaysus [18:29]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: you are doing a poor job explaining something that needs be experienced [18:29]
mircea_popescu you go kill some other man, not come up with bizarre substitutes in the manner of cutting instead of going out. [18:29]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids: that's how it goes [18:30]
chetty looking in the barrel of a gun does the same thing nubbins [18:30]
mircea_popescu only if it fires. [18:30]
herbijudlestoids chetty: an endogenous adrenal response is not equivalent [18:30]
ThickAsThieves so far we've got altcoin makers as drug dealers, drugs being illegal, but drugs being okay, and world apthetic to the detah of miners everywhere [18:30]
nubbins` staring literal death in the face is different altogether [18:30]
ThickAsThieves spelling* [18:30]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids seriously, you've built yourself this silly whatshisname-wannabeism. it's not some sort of all-encompassing philosophy. [18:31]
mircea_popescu it's just pop-derpage. [18:31]
KRS-One 'scuse me i have to talk to ozbot in private. [18:31]
nubbins` KRS-One, careful, he tells lies [18:31]
mircea_popescu da fuck is the guy's name, wrote that disjointed journal thing [18:31]
nubbins` ken kesey? [18:31]
mircea_popescu no, no [18:31]
nubbins` not leary [18:31]
mircea_popescu no gah [18:31]
nubbins` huxley? hoffman? [18:31]
nubbins` THERE ARE SO MANY [18:32]
mircea_popescu i can't remember all the druggies in time. brb. [18:32]
nubbins` mckenna? [18:32]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: not really dude, i view it as an extremely powerful psychological tool...like i say, it helped me, i know. i dont really want to convince you to do it in any sense other than your opinion should be informed [18:32]
mircea_popescu burroughs [18:33]
mircea_popescu fucking hell. [18:33]
nubbins` oh, him [18:33]
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nubbins` creepy man [18:33]
nubbins` occasionally lucid [18:33]
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mircea_popescu yaya, "substance subculture". it's all aspiring to be picked up by the book people like burroughs. [18:34]
nubbins` nah [18:34]
nubbins` i don't even think burroughs aspired that much, guy was a miserable sack of shit [18:34]
mircea_popescu exactly. [18:34]
nubbins` if you ask me, he wrote to stay sane [18:34]
herbijudlestoids i dont really have any all encompassing philosophy around it. i dont believe there is some energy or whatever hippy shit [18:34]
mircea_popescu that's the appeal. [18:34]
mircea_popescu "i don't even have to be aspiring that much, and it's ok being a miserable sack of shit" [18:35]
mircea_popescu just a different flavour of emo. [18:35]
herbijudlestoids all i am saying is its not explicable [18:35]
nubbins` ineffable is the word, herb [18:35]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids then i'm not really talkin' to you. [18:35]
mircea_popescu of course it's not explicable, dude. if I put 500 rems or 18 tesla through my cpu the errorlog won't show anything "Explicable" [18:35]
mircea_popescu so what of it. doesn't make it less banal [18:35]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: well, you're describing the difference between burroughs and the wannabe burroughs [18:36]
nubbins` or, really, the difference between the people who did shit and the people who want to [18:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` i'm saying that the interest in otherwise uninteresting subject matter is driven by otherwise underemployed, bored and inept kids. [18:36]
mircea_popescu then they keep hearing about it from all the other underemployed, bored and inept kids and start thinking it's part of relaity [18:36]
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mircea_popescu because that's how the reality-function works in the cowsy brain [18:37]
mircea_popescu and now they gotta "experience" it. [18:37]
* herbijudlestoids lel [18:37]
mircea_popescu mind that this entire discussion started from "why would idiot 12yos snort bath salts" and is not unrelated to the "massive popularity" of silk road [18:38]
nubbins` well no shit people talking about shit that happened inside their heads is banal to everyone else [18:38]
mircea_popescu that laughable piece of shit that couldn't sell one cocaine brick in one month, [18:38]
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mircea_popescu and whose only legacy is all over reddit, cantina marketplace etc. [18:38]
mircea_popescu so perhaps we are talking at somewhat oblique purposes. [18:38]
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herbijudlestoids "bath salts" aka mephedrone or 4-MAR or MDPV or similar substances under the same common name has little do with silk road and hugely to do with the proliferation of chinese generic manufacturers keeping their factories open for an extra hour each night [18:39]
nubbins` how's that different from any other day here :D [18:39]
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ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=354636.msg4673358#msg4673358 [18:39]
ozbot [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit [18:39]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids everything to do with silk road, dude. it's these kids who don't have to work, can't learn as there's no schools, having nothing to do with their time [18:39]
mircea_popescu and having bought into this pop=psychology "self-realisation" and "discovery" bs. [18:40]
Duffer1 i rather look forward to cannabit's updates [18:40]
mircea_popescu so they "Experiment" because "experiences" [18:40]
* nubbins` shakes head [18:40]
mircea_popescu god forbid they experience something irl. lettuce "experiment" shit holed away in our concrete box. [18:40]
mircea_popescu "it's all in the mind, dood" [18:41]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: youre generalising [18:41]
herbijudlestoids overly [18:41]
mircea_popescu verily. [18:41]
ThickAsThieves i've lost the thread [18:41]
mircea_popescu the point needs to be made tho, because no fucking body seems to. [18:41]
nubbins` i uh [18:41]
Apocalyptic it was quite obvious that gox is a shitty exchange and you should avoided at all costs [18:41]
Apocalyptic never understood why people were stupid enough to keep using it [18:41]
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Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it's happening :) [18:41]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: in australia, we got these things called doofs...its a psytrance party in the bush...lots of the attendants match your description to a tee...lots dont [18:42]
nubbins` the point you're making is that the lost kids do drugs to try to find meaning [18:42]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic :p [18:42]
nubbins` no fucking shit. [18:42]
herbijudlestoids i been to some of them, so i know [18:42]
mircea_popescu not even. they're trying to find death already, which has been denied them by all the fucking kid safety devices. [18:42]
ThickAsThieves find meaning, escape reality [18:42]
ThickAsThieves now i'm too slow [18:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google time is going by real slow i think we might be dead [18:43]
gribble Chill, Officer - Top 10 Non-Emergency 911 Calls - TIME: ; Microsoft's Xbox One May Be Losing The Console War Due To ...: ; Karen Thompson Walker: What fear can (1 more message) [18:43]
nubbins` find third dimension, briefly escape Flatland. [18:43]
mircea_popescu what srsly. [18:43]
nubbins` sure, you end up flat again [18:43]
mircea_popescu www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvct5fgEH_U [18:43]
nubbins` but wasn't it eye-opening to see that 3rd dimension? [18:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` nope. [18:43]
nubbins` you're saying that because you haven't seen it [18:43]
mircea_popescu and if i feel like having sex i don't try to sneak into the sheets of a couple that fucked overnight just as they leave for work, either. [18:43]
mircea_popescu if i feel like having depth i GO MAKE THE FUCKING DEPTH [18:43]
nubbins` this could just as well be a conversation with a mother saying "but gravy is really good, you should try it" and the kid saying "but i don't like it" [18:44]
mircea_popescu no. [18:44]
nubbins` "i know i won't like it" [18:44]
nubbins` "if i want gravy i'll eat some tomato soup" [18:44]
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mircea_popescu it'd be convenient if this could be stereotypically reduced to that, because you have a lot of experience with that stereotype [18:44]
mircea_popescu but it isn't in any way that. [18:44]
nubbins` so i really thought i didn't like gravy. sue me! [18:44]
mircea_popescu i ain't about to, what do you got to make things personal for. [18:45]
mircea_popescu go do whatever the fuck you feel like [18:45]
mircea_popescu just don't come tellin' me how central the margin is that's all. [18:45]
nubbins` thanks dad, but can you sign the permission slip? teacher says [18:45]
herbijudlestoids nubbins`: i think its very easy to not bring anything back to flatland...hard work to "bring something back"...to learn a lesson [18:45]
mircea_popescu ow fuck me. there is no lesson [18:46]
nubbins` ^ that's the lesson [18:46]
mircea_popescu incredible what a broken fucking tool the mind is. [18:46]
nubbins` on that we can agree [18:46]
nubbins` herbijudlestoids: well, it's just as easy to have a bunch of fun than to learn something [18:47]
mircea_popescu romanian makes the distinction between fun and diversion [18:47]
mircea_popescu in that it calls both "diversion" [18:47]
mircea_popescu i think it actually serves better than calling both "fun" [18:47]
nubbins` just because you're in your desk, in school, doesn't mean you're doing math problems instead of doodling monsters [18:47]
nubbins` just because you can no longer distinguish the border between your mind and the outside world doesn't mean you're having an epiphany [18:48]
nubbins` but, y'know, some kids actually do the math, and are sort of confused when someone tells them "school is just for horsing around anyway" [18:49]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: i learned about many personal flaws and managed to correct some "in flatland", permanently. other flaws, still there [18:49]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: well sure, lots of diversions aren't particularly fun :D [18:49]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids lemme tell you a story. a freind of mine had a dumbass father. [18:50]
mircea_popescu one day that dumbass father destroyed the family car, by the process of pushing the gas all the way with the hand brake engaged. [18:50]
mircea_popescu over about half an hour. [18:50]
mircea_popescu he confessed he learned a valuable lesson from this experience : [18:50]
mircea_popescu "never again am i using that fucking handbrake" [18:50]
ThickAsThieves pretty realistic appraoch [18:51]
mircea_popescu pure empirism. [18:51]
punkman1 I think most languages don't have a word for "fun" [18:51]
* nubbins` shrugs [18:51]
nubbins` i can only speak from personal experience [18:51]
mircea_popescu just because you're in your desk, in school, doesn't mean you're doing math problems instead of doodling monsters <<< on re-read i suspect this is highly autobiographical [18:52]
herbijudlestoids so the analogy youre trying to make is everything i learned was "dont be stupid" and i couldve just figured that out sober? [18:52]
mircea_popescu we can only hope mom nubbins isn't ever getting into -assets logs. [18:52]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids the analogy i'm making is that what you think you've learned and the dataset you imagine you rely on are about as related as my girlfriend and your sister. [18:52]
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herbijudlestoids i keep telling you i dont have a sister lol [18:52]
nubbins` i know plenty of strung-out druggies who float through life with sullen looks and dull eyes [18:52]
mircea_popescu omg my formally perfect expression, attacked on empiricist grounds! [18:53]
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mircea_popescu i don't have a girlfriend! so there! [18:53]
nubbins` heh ^ [18:53]
herbijudlestoids that is what you said last time [18:53]
mircea_popescu if anyone does some !b1 bs on that ima haunt you [18:53]
Duffer1 :P [18:54]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, i watched some mae west movie recently. you ever seen these things ? they're so much lol. [18:54]
mircea_popescu but anyway, girl sitting on piano : "ever since i first heard this tune it haunts me" [18:54]
herbijudlestoids i dun even know what im trying to convince you of really...its 4am and i paused the movie for a sec and saw people talking about salvia [18:54]
mircea_popescu pianist : "it should haunt you, you murdered it." [18:54]
nubbins` hah [18:54]
* herbijudlestoids goes back to movie [18:54]
nubbins` enjoy your flick [18:54]
nubbins` anyway, i got off track [18:54]
mircea_popescu watch the flick be all about potheads. [18:55]
nubbins` i can only speak from personal experience [18:55]
Duffer1 altcoins? [18:55]
herbijudlestoids its enders game [18:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` something that's not reproducible is NOT experience. [18:55]
mircea_popescu calling it "personal" doesn't save it. [18:55]
punkman1 ender's game was fucking horrible [18:55]
Apocalyptic so the analogy youre trying to make is everything i learned was "dont be stupid" and i couldve just figured that out sober? // people like to believe so, cause the thing is much more special and powerfull if achieved under those circumstances than banal thinking [18:55]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: so the twin towers falling wasn't an experience? [18:55]
mircea_popescu twin towers failing is reproducible [18:55]
nubbins` anyway, who says shit isn't reproducible? [18:55]
nubbins` i can take some lsd right now if i like [18:56]
mircea_popescu i didn't say it isn't. i said if it isn't then it's not. [18:56]
mircea_popescu uh. [18:56]
ThickAsThieves hehe [18:56]
mircea_popescu you're confusing everything with everything, wtf. [18:56]
nubbins` i'm driving the conversation here! [18:56]
mircea_popescu so release the brake, ikt's going all over the place. [18:56]
ThickAsThieves my car! [18:57]
mircea_popescu i am not trilema-bashing all this. [18:57]
nubbins` brake? we're both doing donuts in a parking lot [18:57]
nubbins` shouting at each other through the windows over the screeching and smoke [18:57]
ThickAsThieves NSA is gonna think we're talking code at this point [18:57]
mircea_popescu somewhere in a nsa psych lab somewhere they're screening all this right now [18:57]
nubbins` twist: we ARE talking code [18:57]
ThickAsThieves too slow! [18:57]
mircea_popescu going "the ill effects of drugz" [18:57]
mircea_popescu o may farkin gawd [18:58]
* mircea_popescu has set a ban on ThickAsThieves (you're too fast motherfucker) [18:58]
ThickAsThieves :) [18:58]
nubbins` anyway, ego death, interesting experience [18:58]
nubbins` and i think i'm done [18:58]
mircea_popescu just you wait till proper age brings you penis death [18:59]
mircea_popescu i hear it's even interestinger. [18:59]
nubbins` will my penis come back with increased self-awareness? [18:59]
mircea_popescu yeah. and it'll live in your butt. [18:59]
nubbins` i don't want that D: [18:59]
kakobrekla careful not to damage your chi [18:59]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's normally spelled choad. [18:59]
nubbins` kakobrekla: just don't send me all your btc, then [18:59]
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Duffer1 mention snowden a few times just to make sure someone reads it [19:00]
nubbins` snowden [19:00]
ThickAsThieves I saw Snowden [19:00]
nubbins` me too [19:00]
Duffer1 hehe [19:00]
nubbins` he gave me a trove of secret docs [19:00]
Duffer1 oh lawd [19:00]
nubbins` i'm going to embed them in the blockchain [19:00]
mircea_popescu so for the record : any of the resident experimentalists can tell the difference between sweet and sour crude ? [19:01]
ThickAsThieves i wash my ass with lists, there are so many! [19:01]
mircea_popescu cause those'd be new fucking colors right there. [19:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: there was an episode of trailer park boys where they discussed identifying fuel by flavor [19:01]
mircea_popescu i can, for instance. [19:01]
ThickAsThieves whether the dinosaur at pineapples or not? [19:02]
kakobrekla ;;google tpb fuel taste [19:02]
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mircea_popescu not quite [19:02]
gribble Trailer Park Boys - Ricky Explains Gas Siphoning to Cory and Trevor ...: ; Trailer Park Boys - Fun Facts and Information - Fun Trivia: ; Primal fuel | Mark's Daily Apple Health and Fitness Forum page: [19:02]
nubbins` "Regular is kind of tangy, supreme is kind of sour, and diesel actually tastes pretty good" [19:02]
mircea_popescu but anyway, an ability to grade crude with your mouth is actually a valuable skill.' [19:02]
mircea_popescu how come you passed on THAT color ffs. [19:02]
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nubbins` you're talking about identifying colors by taste [19:03]
nubbins` are you SURE you've never done lsd? [19:03]
Asa9 lol [19:03]
ThickAsThieves he's colorblind [19:03]
nubbins` ooh, a second twist [19:03]
mircea_popescu i never said i didn't do anything. what i said was the entire derpage is stupid. [19:03]
mircea_popescu there be a difference. [19:03]
mike_c i've heard mainlining heroin produces nice colors [19:03]
kakobrekla mains socket aint bad either [19:04]
nubbins` i need to plug this computer in and eat lunch [19:04]
nubbins` kakobrekla, electricity is grey [19:04]
nubbins` in my experience [19:04]
mike_c mains socket produces mostly black in my experience [19:04]
mircea_popescu apparently experimental-nubbins is colorblind [19:04]
nubbins` 120V, 240 may be a different color [19:04]
mircea_popescu it's not the voltage, it's the total current. [19:05]
mircea_popescu here's a fun experiment to teach young girls physics in a pleasant manner : [19:05]
nubbins` not sure of the current, there were some components between the mains and my hand [19:05]
mircea_popescu buy one of those stepped transformers, 1.5 to 12 V, then shove a metal dildo and touch them with the other side. [19:05]
mircea_popescu they'll burn the same at all the steps, from 1.5 to 12, and therein learn a valuable lessons. [19:05]
ThickAsThieves only major electric shock ive seen is when our bass player grabbed a copper pipe in the basement practice space while bullshitting. he wasn't grounded properly and ended up ripping the whole pipe out because of the shock forcing his grip [19:06]
nubbins` heh, yipes [19:06]
nubbins` rubber mats! [19:06]
ThickAsThieves electified stings and mics suck [19:06]
ThickAsThieves +r [19:06]
mircea_popescu mircs ? [19:06]
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nubbins` i'm wondering if the r goes in electified or stings [19:06]
ThickAsThieves relectified [19:06]
nubbins` heh [19:06]
nubbins` OK LUNCH [19:07]
mircea_popescu electi-fried. [19:07]
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mircea_popescu and in closing, [19:09]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdzwajsFOZ1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [19:09]
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phish so did that guy who did the put option lose 2k btc? [19:15]
phish or how does that work [19:15]
mircea_popescu phish lost a bunch for sure, as the rate went low [19:16]
mike_c did he get excercised? put the microphone next to the speaker! [19:16]
mircea_popescu does your rate hang low, can you tie it in a bow... [19:17]
mike_c hehe [19:17]
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ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/07/bitcoin-suffers-another-snafu/?mod=MarketsMain [19:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c if you think about it, it makes no sense to exercise while the spot is below 24 hour ago spot. [19:17]
ThickAsThieves This is still a Wild West kind of environment,” Casey said on the show, while noting that episodes like this can happen periodically as none of the exchanges are regulated by the SEC. [19:17]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves right-o, because otherwise they can't. [19:18]
mike_c best remix [19:18]
mike_c http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sZtd3o2kek [19:18]
mircea_popescu funny how the idiots who scream about "deflationary" "undue advantage to first movers" [19:18]
mircea_popescu then turn around and scream about prices dropping [19:18]
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mircea_popescu you fuckwit parade! this is your chance. [19:19]
ThickAsThieves yep [19:19]
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mircea_popescu maybe for some people drugs would be enlightening. [19:20]
mircea_popescu at any rate their present state could in no way be harmed. [19:20]
ThickAsThieves even better, [19:20]
ThickAsThieves drugs beget random behavior, which is mor elikely to have good results than always idiot behavior [19:21]
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mircea_popescu who wants to be my designated altcoin broker ? [19:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake ? ThickAsThieves ? [19:21]
ThickAsThieves i thought you had one? [19:21]
mircea_popescu i did ? [19:21]
ThickAsThieves long ago [19:21]
mike_c vexual is drunk half the time [19:22]
mircea_popescu i have all sorts of brokers ofr all sorts of things [19:22]
mircea_popescu but this altcoin thing is new. [19:22]
ThickAsThieves i probly shouldnt offer, i'm already neglecting things [19:22]
mircea_popescu well if you're gonna neglect it then you defo shouldn't. [19:23]
herbijudlestoids well, that was a poor movie [19:23]
herbijudlestoids so much potential [19:23]
herbijudlestoids i am starting a new altcoin called herbijudlestoidscoin [19:24]
herbijudlestoids its serves the role of altcoin with a long name [19:24]
mircea_popescu not long enough [19:24]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if WSJ knows what snafu means [19:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves or any other word. [19:24]
ThickAsThieves do they publih swears? [19:24]
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ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/431594986782855168 [19:25]
ThickAsThieves icahn did it! [19:26]
ThickAsThieves "Breaking: Apple repurchases $14 billion of own shares in two weeks: CEO Cook" [19:26]
mircea_popescu well they gotta do something with the cash [19:26]
mircea_popescu and the way the us is going... they ain't repatriating that shit. [19:26]
herbijudlestoids "cash" [19:27]
mike_c you think they can use foreign money to repurchase shares? [19:27]
mircea_popescu mike_c why not ? [19:27]
mircea_popescu i use "foreign" money to purchase shares all the time. [19:27]
mike_c hm. b/c they are a us company. seems fishy [19:27]
mike_c yes, but you aren't evading us taxes by doing so [19:28]
mircea_popescu tell it to the structuring consultants. [19:28]
herbijudlestoids mike_c: its listed on france euronext too [19:28]
mike_c i thought they could only purchase foreign companies (like skype) with that maoney [19:28]
mircea_popescu according to whom ? [19:28]
mircea_popescu money is money, you can purchase whatever you want with it. [19:28]
mike_c heh. tell that to the irs [19:29]
mircea_popescu not like it's a permission slip from the white house. [19:29]
mircea_popescu mike_c i dunno why you think the irs is important in this discussion. [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.13200048 = 0.528 BTC [+] {2} [19:29]
mircea_popescu they're the equivalent of the 4th grade bully. only there to scare the small biz owners. [19:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13399998 BTC [+] [19:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 789 @ 0.00488139 = 3.8514 BTC [+] {14} [19:30]
mike_c hm. then why all the ireland tax evasion bs. you still have to jump some hoops to avoid them. [19:30]
mircea_popescu well sure. [19:30]
mircea_popescu but in the end, the "because i say so, that's why" side of the discussion is apple and hsbc, [19:30]
ThickAsThieves path of least resisteance [19:30]
mircea_popescu not the us or irish govt. [19:31]
ThickAsThieves -e [19:31]
mircea_popescu http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/painter-just-never-bothered-to-pay-tax-612441.html for teh lulz [19:31]
mike_c they got wesley snipes. and he can kill vampires. [19:32]
mircea_popescu but he's still a small business owner. [19:32]
ThickAsThieves i think the accounting burden for small business is retarded [19:34]
ThickAsThieves tax-wise [19:34]
mircea_popescu the very notion that the affairs of the state shall be imposed upon third parties is beyond outrageous. [19:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04800008 = 0.24 BTC [+] [19:36]
mircea_popescu irs wants to keep accounting, let it hire accountants and pay for them. [19:37]
ThickAsThieves here you must collect both fed and state tax from your customers, then make paperwork showing the details, and if you are late you get a fee [19:37]
ThickAsThieves monthly [19:37]
ThickAsThieves not sure if its any different elsewhere [19:38]
mircea_popescu notrly. [19:38]
ThickAsThieves does that make small biz government employees? [19:38]
mircea_popescu originally they piggibacked on the notion that "well... but you keep your books anyway" and "if you're honest you don't mind sharing" [19:38]
ThickAsThieves rather all people [19:38]
ThickAsThieves i guess [19:39]
mircea_popescu soon enough it devolved into "books must be kept this way because it's more convenient for us" [19:39]
mircea_popescu and im like... fuck you, what do i care waht's convenient for you. i'm paying for it. [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+] [19:39]
herbijudlestoids there is some weird shit listed in the -otc list of things [19:39]
Duffer1 actually the irs wants to allow a free automated tax service but turbo tax and hr block have spent millions to successfully lobby against it [19:39]
ThickAsThieves automated? [19:40]
ThickAsThieves just remove it [19:40]
mircea_popescu how hard can it be. publish a bitcoin donation address. [19:40]
ThickAsThieves sort out one tax [19:40]
mircea_popescu people want your service, you may get some donations. [19:40]
mircea_popescu you don't get any donations... go home. [19:40]
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mircea_popescu i'm looking forward to headlines like "donations dry spell causes government shut down" [19:41]
herbijudlestoids le [19:41]
mircea_popescu instead of the ridiculous bs going on currently. [19:41]
herbijudlestoids l [19:41]
mircea_popescu as if i give a shit what X dork said on any topic. [19:41]
pankkake mircea_popescu: what is an altcoin broker? [19:41]
mircea_popescu pankkake you keep my cash and my books for that altcoin [19:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00086931 = 2.5645 BTC [+] [19:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 238 @ 0.0052152 = 1.2412 BTC [+] {9} [19:42]
pankkake why not [19:42]
pankkake but it's open source now [19:42]
mircea_popescu aite, address ? [19:42]
mircea_popescu open source it may be, but i'm in finance not in tech. [19:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.51998 = 3.6399 BTC [+] {3} [19:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07097775 = 0.6388 BTC [+] {3} [19:43]
pankkake 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E [19:43]
mircea_popescu hahaha cool. [19:43]
ThickAsThieves it's too bad there's no many in vanity addresses [19:44]
ThickAsThieves money [19:44]
mircea_popescu that mp wasn't coincidental was it ? [19:44]
pankkake I vanity generated it [19:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i imagine as brokerages develop they'll keep a vanity gen side. [19:45]
pankkake actually, some people pay for vanity addresses, for the long ones [19:45]
mircea_popescu pankkake since you're loaded in, what's the chain reports ? diff ? blocks ? [19:46]
benkay buenos dias amigos [19:46]
mircea_popescu la puerta esta abierta [19:47]
ThickAsThieves hola [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13399998 BTC [+] [19:47]
pankkake "difficulty" : 62719.43923596 [19:47]
pankkake "blocks" : 16255 [19:47]
pankkake I don't think new miners are coming [19:47]
mircea_popescu so no power of 4 huh. [19:47]
pankkake yeah… :( [19:48]
benkay la piscina esta cerrada [19:48]
Apocalyptic what's the market cap so far ? [19:48]
mircea_popescu a well. good run [19:48]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkC812onnk [19:48]
pankkake 16255*512*some hundred satoshis [19:49]
jcpham so people actually had coins in mtgox [19:50]
jcpham waiting on some massive selloff [19:50]
mircea_popescu jcpham it boggles. next thing we'll discover people actually invested into mcxnow. [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00532006 = 0.5214 BTC [+] {2} [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999891 BTC [+] [19:51]
Apocalyptic http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x9gue/my_protest_at_mtgox_offices_5_to_7th_february/cf9ct0o [19:51]
Apocalyptic derp [19:52]
mircea_popescu "I was told that up until a few weeks [at time of the interview] ago, there was hardly any development environment to test changes. Most changes were done straight on the production environment." [19:53]
mircea_popescu this was news to reddit ? lol [19:53]
mircea_popescu herbijudlestoids by the way, i checked out s1e1 of curb your enthusiasm [19:55]
mircea_popescu do you have ANY IDEA how bad that show is ? [19:55]
ThickAsThieves so bad [19:56]
ThickAsThieves so so bad [19:56]
mircea_popescu seriously, unfunny old derps sitting around whining ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu "reality tv" style cinematographics ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu basically, larry david was the rock holding down seinfeld. once they got rid of him the show noticeably improved. [19:56]
mircea_popescu compare s1-2-3 with 6-7-8 [19:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086438 = 9.1624 BTC [-] [19:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13399998 = 0.402 BTC [+] [19:56]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves seriously, it's unwatchable. it's like office cctv with sound. [19:57]
ThickAsThieves http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/07/central-bank-of-cyprus-does-not-like-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog [19:57]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i take it the fuckit neobee ceo is all over this rite. [19:58]
ThickAsThieves well i know the banks know he exists [19:58]
ThickAsThieves no black vans at his house yet though [19:59]
ThickAsThieves did you see the tv ads? [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 362 @ 0.0055 = 1.991 BTC {5} [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.13399998 = 2.278 BTC [+] [20:00]
ThickAsThieves i wouldnt be surprised if this is just the beginning of negative PR on bitcoin fron cyprus banks [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.0055 = 0.5115 BTC {2} [20:01]
mike_c ^ congrats the20year [20:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 430 @ 0.0055 = 2.365 BTC [20:02]
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benkay havelock doesn't report tick direction to assbot? [20:03]
benkay lame. [20:03]
Duffer1 it's ipo [20:03]
Duffer1 there's no +/- yet [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0055 = 0.5555 BTC {2} [20:03]
benkay ah [20:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.0055 = 0.605 BTC {2} [20:04]
herbijudlestoids mircea_popescu: haha [20:04]
benkay in any event, we now have a test case for "you can raise it but you can't spend it". [20:05]
herbijudlestoids well in my mind its no argument that seinfeld is better, but i enjoyed curb your enthusiasm [20:05]
herbijudlestoids and with that, its 0505, bedtime [20:05]
herbijudlestoids gnight fellows, have a loverly weekend [20:05]
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asciilifeform re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry' [20:06]
benkay cye is everything that is wrong with america [20:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 605 @ 0.0055 = 3.3275 BTC {3} [20:06]
ThickAsThieves i enjoy being a serial journeyman [20:06]
pLambert I've done quantum physics and chemistry [20:07]
pLambert so, any guesses on how far RENT is going to fall once trading goes active in a couple hours? [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} [20:07]
mike_c trading goes active before the ipo is over? [20:09]
benkay is anyone offering RENT for shorting? [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.19376446 = 7.1693 BTC [+] [20:09]
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pLambert wait, I misread it, I thought it said trading owuld poen soon, actually just IPO is open [20:10]
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ThickAsThieves soon is always yet to happen [20:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amen. [20:11]
mircea_popescu molecular chemistry to be precise. [20:12]
benkay bah ipos [20:12]
asciilifeform confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. [20:15]
mircea_popescu lol the plasticity of brain stuff ? [20:15]
mike_c and that's when the design for cardano came to you? [20:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC [20:16]
mircea_popescu why not put current through your sister's brain like sane people. [20:16]
asciilifeform electronic inducement of stage 4 sleep [20:16]
Duffer1 tcdcs? [20:16]
Duffer1 ah [20:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+] [20:17]
Duffer1 ;;google transcranial direct current stimulation [20:17]
gribble Transcranial direct-current stimulation - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; FOC.US - transcranial direct current stimulation for gamers: ; tDCS and rTMS: Is brain stimulation safe and effective? - Slate: (1 more message) [20:17]
asciilifeform and yes, it's 'fashionable' now, silicon valley wankers sell various gadgets [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07168571 = 0.5018 BTC [+] {3} [20:18]
asciilifeform can't recommend it. but your mileage may vary. [20:18]
mircea_popescu 70s hair was fashionable too [20:18]
Mats_cd03 is 'poop shoe' a reasonable pronunciation [20:18]
ThickAsThieves obv [20:19]
Mats_cd03 .bait [20:19]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r55eeTWP1r2mc2eo1_1280.jpg [20:19]
benkay placebo? [20:19]
ThickAsThieves mercy poopshow [20:19]
ThickAsThieves poopshoe* [20:19]
jayk bob dylan's hair is pretty static [20:19]
ThickAsThieves the roman vampire [20:19]
Mats_cd03 thats a gud one [20:19]
Mats_cd03 the bait photo anyway [20:20]
jayk lot of boobie pics here [20:20]
ThickAsThieves welcome to the internet [20:20]
jayk hehe [20:20]
jayk at least i dont have to uudecode them anymore [20:20]
mircea_popescu mirˈt͡ʃe̯a poˈpes.ku [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC [20:21]
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mircea_popescu and those are splendeed teats. [20:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00086566 = 6.9686 BTC [+] [20:24]
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mircea_popescu http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/02/04/uk-britain-forex-fca-idUKBREA130KP20140204 [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 370 @ 0.0055 = 2.035 BTC {2} [20:25]
ozbot UK watchdog says forex probe to stretch into 2015 [20:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086881 = 10.6429 BTC [+] {3} [20:25]
Mats_cd03 i worked with .mil networking equipment the other day [20:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+] [20:26]
Mats_cd03 and the front-end for a satellite dish was running vb6 [20:26]
Mats_cd03 lowest bidder strikes again [20:26]
mircea_popescu basically the libor was a scam, the forex is a scam too. fiat is about as bad as bitcointalk [20:26]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: surprised? 'minuteman' runs on VAX. [20:27]
Mats_cd03 i like vax features a lot [20:27]
Mats_cd03 real good for its time [20:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] [20:29]
benkay ;;calc 78534 * 0.0055 [20:29]
gribble 431.937 [20:29]
benkay ;;ticker [20:29]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 760.00003, Best ask: 767.36952, Bid-ask spread: 7.36949, Last trade: 760.0, 24 hour volume: 46240.65512575, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 855.0, 24 hour vwap: 733.76646 [20:29]
benkay wat [20:30]
benkay ;;calc 78534 * 0.0055 * 750 [20:30]
gribble 323952.75 [20:30]
mike_c that's the first block. something like 220k total (shares) [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-] [20:31]
mike_c "we are releasing a total of 228,534 additional units at .0055btc per share" [20:32]
mircea_popescu i guess this is an interesting test for havelock, because if the kid now fails to buy properties worth whatever he supposedly got from the ipo the difference will have to somehow be explained. [20:33]
mircea_popescu pretty difficult to fake land deeds (not to mention felonious) [20:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9244 @ 0.00013225 = 1.2225 BTC [-] [20:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086828 = 8.2487 BTC [-] [20:35]
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benkay i'm interested to see what happens when divs fail to match btc appreciation. [20:36]
mircea_popescu well so far btc is depreciating. [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC [20:37]
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Duffer1 pretty much the same things that's happened to most assets [20:37]
mircea_popescu !t h rent [20:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (2261 shares, 12.43550000 BTC) [20:38]
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mircea_popescu course.... where you got the 78k from ? or what am i misunderstanding here ? [20:38]
kakobrekla btc is now worth 7k [20:38]
Duffer1 78k units offered i think [20:38]
mircea_popescu a [20:39]
benkay that [20:40]
asciilifeform http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2327327/net-neutrality-battle-begins-as-verizon-appears-to-throttle-netflix [20:41]
ozbot Net Neutrality battle begins as Verizon appears to throttle Netflix- The Inquirer [20:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.071 = 0.568 BTC [-] [20:41]
ThickAsThieves In a live support chat with a Verizon representative, Raphael asked if there was any throttling of websites hosted by Amazon Web Services (AWS), which include Netflix, and was told, "Yes, it is limited bandwidth to cloud providers." [20:42]
benkay ipo page shows 48953 units outstanding, havelock announcement email mentions 78534. what the ever loving fuck. [20:42]
ThickAsThieves Verizon has denied this to be true [20:42]
ThickAsThieves fwiw [20:42]
benkay it's not a risk, it's a certainty. [20:43]
benkay like a perpetual mining bond's value going to zero. [20:43]
mircea_popescu lag ? [20:43]
ThickAsThieves benkay that is not certain [20:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 432 @ 0.0055 = 2.376 BTC [20:43]
Duffer1 the likelyhood is very high [20:43]
ThickAsThieves only cuz scammers [20:44]
ThickAsThieves other wise pmb can hit zero [20:44]
ThickAsThieves cant [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 443 @ 0.0055 = 2.4365 BTC [20:44]
benkay you expect to convince me the difficulty will decrease. [20:45]
mike_c effectiveness is dependent on liquidity on havelock though. [20:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, because electricity. [20:45]
mircea_popescu most mining units by count are underwater today, because of the cost of elec. [20:46]
ThickAsThieves not for TAT.VM [20:46]
ThickAsThieves hehe [20:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04800007 = 0.144 BTC [-] [20:46]
ThickAsThieves of course that never hit zero anyway [20:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most mining units... underwater... cost of elec. << except for botnets [20:47]
ThickAsThieves and yes, mining diff will decrease someday [20:48]
mircea_popescu botnets are also underwater for btc mining, same reason [20:48]
ThickAsThieves if not cuz elec, or such, then cuz Altcoin [20:48]
mircea_popescu they do have a cost, even if you're not paying the elec. cost of opportunity in that case. [20:48]
ThickAsThieves more profitable to help SETI [20:48]
ThickAsThieves maybe aliens bring quantum miners [20:49]
mircea_popescu maybe they bring really good drugs. [20:49]
ThickAsThieves oh the experiences we'll have! [20:50]
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asciilifeform the situation re: botnets is interesting. mining remains the only way to monetize a crapnet without dealing with humans [20:51]
asciilifeform (actual competence / contacts in black market) [20:51]
asciilifeform afaik they've mostly switched to altcoins now [20:51]
benkay alien drugs! [20:51]
benkay i'm in. [20:51]
asciilifeform (in fact, i'd be surprised if this weren't the primary mining force there) [20:52]
Duffer1 nighborg wtb [20:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC {3} [20:52]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/7/5390164/plane-makes-emergency-landing-failed-hijacking-attempt [20:53]
ozbot Plane grounded after failed hijacking attempt | The Verge [20:53]
asciilifeform http://wonkette.com/541474/mcgruff-the-crime-dog-likes-to-get-hiiiiigh [20:53]
ozbot McGruff The Crime Dog Likes To Get Hiiiiigh [20:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC [20:53]
Kushedout http://redd.it/1xag2n [20:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00532005 = 0.5267 BTC [-] {2} [20:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51989996 BTC [-] [20:54]
benkay the20year: how long do you expect this IPO to take? [20:55]
ThickAsThieves "The company has asked a French court to suspend this order while it appeals the CNIL's decision and fine, but the CNIL insists that if Google can promote its own services on the homepage, it can also publish the news of the sanctions." [20:56]
mircea_popescu afaik they've mostly switched to altcoins now << the scrypt coins yeah. [20:57]
mircea_popescu that shit i always found hysterical. man with a computer wants to matter. [20:57]
mircea_popescu he wants this LEGISLATED into fact. [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] [20:57]
mircea_popescu so some idiot somewhere comes up with "non-asic" pow, so that the nobody may matter. [20:57]
pLambert the20year: does it have a scheduled end if not everything is sold? [20:57]
mircea_popescu result ? nobody gets flattened anyway, by different group [20:58]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how many people realise that when they hash scrypt they hash socialism. [20:59]
ThickAsThieves are sha256 altcoins not common? [20:59]
pLambert yes? [21:00]
asciilifeform every altcoin is really an attempt to 'refight the war' [21:00]
chipug what alts *are* sha265? i don't know any [21:00]
ThickAsThieves but if they dont use sha they are fighting the wrong people [21:00]
ThickAsThieves chipug, Altcoin is [21:01]
Duffer1 The Altcoin is sha256 no? [21:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indeed. as if such a thing belongs anywhere outside of a creative reenactment society meeting [21:01]
chipug ah kk [21:01]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 the altcoin is sha256, not pumped and not premined. just like... you know... NO OTHER ALT out there. [21:02]
Duffer1 hehe [21:02]
mircea_popescu which is quite perverse [21:02]
ThickAsThieves not premined, just bought all up by MP ;) [21:02]
asciilifeform note that it is not, in principle, impossible to pull it off [21:02]
mircea_popescu i only bought like a dinner's worth [21:02]
asciilifeform just that it would have to be done by someone other than wankers [21:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no. a war isn't decided by personal valor. [21:03]
mircea_popescu a war is decided by which way the hills slope [21:03]
pankkake botnets (except those with good enough gpus, I think there is one that was targetting gaymers) don't mine scrypt anymore, there are cpu-only coins for that [21:03]
pankkake and those cpu coins are barely profitable unless you don't pay for electricity I think [21:04]
asciilifeform pankkake: the ones i've seen most recently mine scrypt coins (the ones that are actually worth a little) [21:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake was a link here coupla days ago bout some game site that got hussled by ny for 1mn over having made $3500 from exploiting user gpus [21:04]
pankkake primecoin would be best, it has enough volume for a big botnet [21:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if i recall, that was btc proper [21:07]
asciilifeform hence the microscopic yield [21:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0737 = 0.3685 BTC [+] [21:07]
mircea_popescu yea [21:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00086904 = 10.6788 BTC [+] {3} [21:09]
asciilifeform i'm still waiting for 'slavecoin.' it would be the perfect 'gift from the gods' to the 'anyone with a computer Ought to Matter!' crowd. [21:10]
mircea_popescu how so. [21:10]
asciilifeform one meatbag, one hash per however-many seconds [21:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+] [21:10]
Dimsler altcoins blow [21:10]
Duffer1 commiecoin? [21:11]
asciilifeform i can already see the chinese world of warcraft labour camps switching. [21:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't understand. the problem with those people is that they are in no way distinct. [21:11]
Duffer1 satoshi's renamed to comrades [21:11]
mircea_popescu as a side-effect of this sad state of affairs, no proof of work can be devised that'd allow them to hash. [21:11]
mircea_popescu i call it the mp lemma of evil. [21:12]
asciilifeform oh, they'll hash. just not the way they imagined [21:12]
asciilifeform (hanging upside-down with arse tubes in a camp) [21:12]
mircea_popescu nop[e, they won't. [21:12]
mircea_popescu cheaper to use cows. [21:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04800006 = 0.384 BTC [-] {3} [21:12]
mircea_popescu there is literally no way in which one could design a pow based on "the people". [21:13]
mircea_popescu the people can't hash. [21:13]
asciilifeform not that this is a scenario that would actually play out. just pointing out what would happen if one were to actually devise a 'one man one hash' scheme [21:13]
mircea_popescu oh. indeed so. [21:13]
mircea_popescu not only it can't be done, or in other words we've just mathematically proven they're cattle [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [21:13]
mircea_popescu but ironically this is to their own benefit. [21:14]
asciilifeform as for it being more lucrative to keep and milk cows, this is so - and yet the world's largest distributed machine is hashing sha, not folding protein [21:14]
asciilifeform so there could be a hope for slavecoin after all. [21:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1400 @ 0.00080284 = 1.124 BTC [-] {3} [21:15]
topace [13:03:05] havelock doesn't report tick direction to assbot? [21:15]
topace [13:03:09] lame. [21:15]
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topace the bot calculates the direction, it doesnt come from the feed [21:15]
asciilifeform wonder if anybody's built one of those foolish 100%-premined alts, and passed out the coin via 'captcha' or somesuch. [21:16]
asciilifeform good approx. of slavecoin. [21:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we've just mathematically proven they're cattle << insult to cattle. who are delicious, well-manageable, and otherwise an asset. [21:18]
mircea_popescu so are slaves. [21:18]
asciilifeform well, 'pet' slaves (vs. the feral kind) [21:19]
mircea_popescu a, no. pet slaves are actually quite competent, intellectually. [21:19]
mircea_popescu it's so counterintuitive this whole thing [21:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00086982 = 6.0452 BTC [+] {3} [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 570 @ 0.0055 = 3.135 BTC [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC [21:27]
mircea_popescu omfg this thing is actually everything i hate. check this shit out : [21:28]
mircea_popescu http://qzlife.tumblr.com/ [21:28]
ozbot Quartzlife [21:28]
mircea_popescu bunch of hipster doofuses who imagine they're doing "a new kind of global business news outlet". [21:29]
mircea_popescu holy shit on a stick, because hatguy and armpitbeard girl said so one day and drew some doodles on their starbucks napkins ?! [21:29]
asciilifeform ycombinator? [21:29]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/431801125583339520 << that dork led me to it. [21:30]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @mims The research you've not ... [21:30]
mircea_popescu "Quartz, Atlantic Media’s mobile-first business site, launched on Monday afternoon following much fanfare this summer." [21:31]
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Dimsler i don't know why you bother getting into pissing classes with the proliteriate [21:31]
chipug mircea_popescu: no.... they have pot plants too [21:31]
mircea_popescu (atlantic media being d g bradley's publishing empire of nothing in particular [21:32]
chipug and clearly know how to instagram [21:32]
Duffer1 plans to burn through investor money in 3 years then declare bankruptcy [21:32]
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mircea_popescu as you know the key people better than you know their supposed properties) [21:32]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 nah, see, this is mostly a campaign financing darkpool thing. [21:33]
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mircea_popescu basically all those kids are either congressional aides, prostitutes or family. [21:33]
Duffer1 so you're saying they're all congressional aides? [21:34]
mircea_popescu essentially. [21:34]
Duffer1 i see [21:34]
asciilifeform whole civil service is this kind of darkpool [21:34]
asciilifeform in the 19th c. u.s., this was open and explicit [21:34]
asciilifeform (see: 'spoils system') [21:34]
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mircea_popescu Dimsler the reason i get into pissing matches with the pro-illiterate is that i have a flow like a fire hydrand and their bosses are made of sugar. [21:35]
Duffer1 i thought you were about to bust some rhymes :( [21:36]
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Duffer1 tell us about your flow homie [21:36]
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mircea_popescu http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24618.html here, if anyone cares for some dirt. [21:36]
ozbot David Bradley defends Atlantic Media's exclusive 'salons' - Michael Calderone - POLITICO.com [21:36]
ThickAsThieves "full-throated defense" wtf [21:37]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:37]
mircea_popescu basically "we have to take corporate money for political functions because a) we like money and b) politicians gotta meet with the corporate ppls somewhere". [21:37]
mircea_popescu seems logical. [21:37]
pankkake http://qz.com/175045/why-are-obese-brazilians-getting-discounted-tickets-to-the-world-cup/ lol [21:38]
ozbot Why are obese Brazilians getting discounted tickets to the World Cup? – Quartz [21:38]
ThickAsThieves omg the site is left-aligned [21:38]
ThickAsThieves murder them [21:38]
pankkake that site is unusable [21:38]
pankkake why can't we just have a page with one article in it and that's it [21:39]
mircea_popescu pankkake because technology [21:39]
ThickAsThieves if they could, most businesses would have every page on their home page [21:39]
ThickAsThieves at the top [21:39]
mircea_popescu hahaha [21:40]
pankkake even ~4 years ago we had clients ask for a SPLASH PAGE [21:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 736 @ 0.00307895 = 2.2661 BTC [+] {3} [21:40]
mircea_popescu were they in the business of selling pools ? [21:40]
pankkake lol [21:41]
ThickAsThieves this manifests in all those little floating boxes "You might also like!" "Sign up!", which used to be pop-ups [21:42]
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ThickAsThieves HeySteve needs to get out of Africa [21:43]
mircea_popescu what, zaire. world famous potatoes [21:44]
mircea_popescu or was that wisconsin [21:44]
ThickAsThieves idaho [21:44]
mircea_popescu no, i'm sure idaho was with the urinals [21:44]
mircea_popescu no wait that's the french who did the cheese. [21:44]
mircea_popescu so then... who are the dutch ?! [21:44]
ThickAsThieves pointy feet [21:44]
mircea_popescu best geography question of all time, "where's holland, what's the netherlands and wo are the dutch" [21:45]
mircea_popescu bah i fucked it up [21:45]
mircea_popescu "what's holland, where's the netherlands and who are the dutch" [21:46]
ThickAsThieves answer = legal weed [21:47]
truffles legalization takes foreeeever [21:47]
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kakobrekla dutch weed is illegal until it hits coffeshops [21:47]
punkman1 the qz blog has a blog about itself? that's nice [21:47]
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kingofsports looking to buy $400 worth of BTC [21:48]
kakobrekla prolly wrong chan to do that [21:48]
ThickAsThieves do you accept BTC? [21:49]
punkman1 you mean ATC [21:49]
ThickAsThieves indeed [21:49]
punkman1 can I solo-mine ATC? [21:50]
deadweasel http://cryptotronix.com/products/hashlet/ [21:50]
ozbot Hashlet | Cryptotronix, LLC [21:50]
ThickAsThieves yes [21:50]
mircea_popescu punkman1 diff was like 60k [21:50]
ThickAsThieves "SHA256 Authentication, hardware RNG, and protected key storage on an easy to mount board" [21:50]
mircea_popescu deadweasel yet another miner ? (yam) [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC {2} [21:50]
mircea_popescu o look asciilifeform you've been beaten to market honey. [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.00308 = 0.6961 BTC [+] {2} [21:51]
truffles is that a play on technotronics hmm [21:51]
punkman1 sha256 authentication? [21:52]
deadweasel setech astronomy [21:52]
punkman1 does it do HMAC or something then? [21:52]
BingoBoingo punkman1: They heard a lot of crypto words and forgot to check definitions, functions, and definite functions [21:52]
punkman1 BingoBoingo: sounds about right [21:53]
asciilifeform where's the rng? [21:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12605 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2} [21:53]
asciilifeform ok we have the answer: [21:54]
asciilifeform http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-8740-CryptoAuth-ATSHA204-Datasheet.pdf [21:54]
asciilifeform (i actually considered, and rejected, this part for the cardano key storage) [21:54]
asciilifeform it has a (satanic) rng built in. [21:54]
deadweasel the seed is always 666? [21:55]
punkman1 just a breakout board for the atmel chip? [21:55]
mircea_popescu just enough cryptography, the exact equivalent of just in time industrial processes. [21:55]
asciilifeform apparently. [21:55]
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asciilifeform people should know that the idea of cryptographic hardware is not the least bit new. [21:56]
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asciilifeform but there are different ways to do it, and the differences matter. [21:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform that said, some raspberry pi enhancing boards may be a good idea. [21:56]
asciilifeform live by VLSI, die by VLSI. [21:56]
mircea_popescu i suspect that thing is prolly here to stay [21:57]
punkman1 there's a ton of raspberry pis [21:57]
asciilifeform remove cardano i/o daughterboard, attach ras.pi or commodore 64 or whatever, you have a machine-controlled unit. [21:57]
asciilifeform easy, with bare hands. [21:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-] [21:57]
mircea_popescu yeah, but these are enthusiasts we're discussing here. [21:58]
BingoBoingo Rpi might actually be an interesting thing if maybe they would have went MIPS (or FPGA and pick a core of choice) and offered ECC Ram [21:58]
asciilifeform ras.pi, for anyone who doesn't have one lying around, is a (relatively) cheap arm box. [21:58]
mircea_popescu better ship a version w/o case and w/o daughterboard. [21:58]
asciilifeform commonly sold at hobby electronics outfits [21:58]
pankkake 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E just got 500000.00 ATC! [21:58]
asciilifeform broadcom inc. tempted them with at-cost cpu offer [21:59]
asciilifeform and so they went with an insultingly closed arch [21:59]
asciilifeform (whole core runs closed-source blob at all times) [21:59]
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asciilifeform there are other pocket-sized arm/linux affairs, they cost a little bit more. [21:59]
punkman1 http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Devel.2FEval_Boards [21:59]
ozbot Supported Motherboards - coreboot [21:59]
asciilifeform coreboot is an x86 bios replacement [22:00]
asciilifeform not really connected here [22:00]
asciilifeform (formerly known as 'linuxbios') [22:00]
punkman1 well tiny computers, open source, it's kinda connected [22:00]
mircea_popescu yeah, but what i'm saying is : in this particular case probably cheaper and better for the free world to subvert than to replace [22:00]
ThickAsThieves 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E just got 500000.00 ATC! I guess we need a blockexplorer too [22:00]
asciilifeform most of the boards coreboot supports are full-size pc mobos [22:00]
mircea_popescu hence the "give the kids strong crypto as an addon, let the broadcom blob eat its nails" [22:01]
mircea_popescu pankkake cool. [22:01]
pankkake ThickAsThieves: http://blockr.io/addcoin [22:01]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell vexual did you end up paying mike_c his 1 atc ? [22:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:01]
jespern mircea_popescu: do you stalk every new twitter follower? :) [22:01]
asciilifeform i consider the 'host box doesn't know it has a crypto widget attached' an essential feature of cardano, but maybe that's just me. [22:01]
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pankkake the20year: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0 [22:02]
mircea_popescu jespern no, but i have currently 3 people stalking my stalkers, and they're apparently real good at it. [22:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC [22:02]
asciilifeform but yes, the linked widget is just atmel's old crypto accelerator mounted on an adapter board: http://atmelcorporation.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/atmels-atsha204-helps-secure-the-bbb [22:02]
mircea_popescu the difficulties of scaling. you end up overdeveloping some depts some of the time. [22:03]
mike_c i believe you are in the atc-otc channel [22:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i wonder why they do things like this srsly. takes anyone five minutes to figure out WHY "we've been featured on atmel blog". [22:03]
asciilifeform if anybody here has a box of ATSHA204 and an electron microscope, now's your hour! [22:03]
Duffer1 the20year maybe Benny might want it added to Ciphertrade? :P [22:04]
asciilifeform i actually first came across that atmel part when looking into commercial ICs having sha256 [22:04]
asciilifeform in the early days of fpga mining [22:05]
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asciilifeform or maybe it was a previous atmel [22:05]
asciilifeform same idea though [22:05]
Duffer1 hehe [22:05]
ThickAsThieves [15:05] lol i doubt it --- I don't [22:05]
kingofsports mircea_popescu how much have MPEX profited so far from that large option sale to you guys? have u guys closed it yet? [22:06]
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asciilifeform btw that part is mostly used 'for evil' (e.g. vendor-locked printer cartridges) [22:07]
Duffer1 it was probably a heartstopping amount king [22:07]
mircea_popescu kingofsports http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#482905 [22:07]
Duffer1 i don't think i want to know exact numbers [22:07]
ThickAsThieves In case anyone is interested: ASICMINER PT-Issued Shares Chart http://i.imgur.com/eqsvmcb.png [22:07]
kingofsports wow so MPEX shareholders gonna make bank this month [22:08]
mircea_popescu so far. [22:08]
kingofsports how much did that user have to have on hold to cover the options he sold u guys? [22:08]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.0 [22:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7070 @ 0.00086461 = 6.1128 BTC [-] [22:09]
ozbot MASSIVE options order on apex.co [22:09]
mircea_popescu haha check it out, apex. [22:09]
mircea_popescu KingCoin like .6 btc/contract or something [22:10]
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kingofsports BUGPOWDER! [22:11]
kingofsports long time no see [22:11]
ThickAsThieves "I just read their FAQ which basically says to their customer base "idiots fuck off and die". " [22:11]
chipug lol [22:11]
Bugpowder So much for localbitcoins [22:11]
Bugpowder http://krebsonsecurity.com/2014/02/florida-targets-high-dollar-bitcoin-exchangers/ [22:11]
Duffer1 so a noob gets it, but jimmothy is told it repeatedly in a months long thread and still doesn't seem to understand [22:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02820003 = 0.1128 BTC [+] [22:11]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 will, it's a wonderful thing. [22:12]
mircea_popescu jespern how do you like -assets anyway. [22:12]
ozbot Florida Targets High-Dollar Bitcoin Exchangers — Krebs on Security [22:12]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder message seems to be more along the lines of a shakedown than anything [22:13]
mircea_popescu "get in bed with a local politico now!" [22:13]
asciilifeform still don't understand why a fellow buying/selling stolen card #s needs to meet anyone in person. [22:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+] [22:13]
kingofsports @bugpowder u looking to sell any coins? remember when they were $100 a pop ;) [22:14]
asciilifeform btc, pgp, card stripe writer. [22:14]
Bugpowder I only buy, never sell [22:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform when you're done with that, you can work on explaining why the secret ruler of a self-proclaimed drug marketplace which can't sell drugs has to order "hits" over unknown derps it can't verify got killed. [22:15]
Bugpowder " Those same documents show that the undercover agent told Reid he wanted to use the Bitcoins to buy credit cards stolen in the Target breach.” [22:15]
asciilifeform aha he wanted to convert bag of cash to btc. [22:16]
mircea_popescu or, alternatively, why twenny something businessmen have to document their reefer purchases in writing for the benefit of ulterior prosecution [22:16]
mircea_popescu or other things. [22:16]
Bugpowder oh man the short puts guy is getting reaming [22:17]
Bugpowder reamed [22:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: or why dpr ever had to see, touch, or smell the wares personally [22:17]
mircea_popescu it's in pretty deep so far. [22:17]
Bugpowder down 3800BTC... [22:17]
kingofsports when is MPEX going to close the options mircea? [22:17]
kingofsports or do u guys just let it ride [22:17]
ThickAsThieves when it reaches collateral? [22:18]
mircea_popescu well it's definitely not closing while the spot is below 24h ago spot [22:18]
asciilifeform incidentally, we cannot possibly know what parts of the dpr story are fictional [22:18]
asciilifeform could be all of it [22:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, some parts we can know. [22:18]
mircea_popescu granted, that doesn't actually cover the entire hitman lulz. [22:18]
ThickAsThieves "A top market overseer called for a sweeping review of computer-driven securities markets Thursday, saying regulators should focus on “points of failure” such as computerized links between stock exchanges and so-called mini-flash crashes in stocks." [22:20]
benkay next they'll be telling us what the real value of pepsi stock is in dollars, and how many dollars can buy a btc. [22:23]
ThickAsThieves in case anyone cares, this was the blog Deprived was working on: http://bittopic.com/ [22:23]
ThickAsThieves i guess he's a runner [22:23]
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Bugpowder Never trust anyone that doesn't hang out in bitcoin-assets [22:26]
chipug have any of you used fb ads before? [22:27]
chipug wondering efficacy [22:28]
mircea_popescu sucks, because he was promising. [22:28]
mircea_popescu chipug you still trying to promote a website chat thing ? [22:29]
mike_c chipug: depends what you want. [22:29]
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mike_c traffic, it works. sales, it does not. [22:29]
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chipug yep mircea_popescu kind of last stab [22:29]
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chipug mike_c: I'm just wanting clicks to the site, so maybe it will be ok [22:29]
benkay if you have the right biz, chipug it works well. [22:30]
Bugpowder yeah, deprived was smart. [22:30]
mircea_popescu chipug listen hon, you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. [22:30]
mircea_popescu waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet. [22:30]
Bugpowder did he bail because he couldn't cover a difficulty move/ [22:30]
Bugpowder ? [22:30]
benkay amigo of mine runs a small game studio. they outlay 10k/mo on fb ads and do quite well for themselves. [22:30]
mike_c chipug: what are you working on? link? [22:30]
chipug why is it stupid though? [22:30]
benkay of course your customers are old women. [22:31]
chipug https://loquacious.cc mike_c we took away rewards and made it not btc so it died when the beggars left [22:31]
ozbot Loquacious - web based water cooler [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6744 @ 0.00086954 = 5.8642 BTC [+] [22:32]
benkay 'cause irc [22:32]
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mircea_popescu chipug well, you never answered me a few days ago when i asked you how you expect it to compete with irc. [22:32]
mircea_popescu so how do you ? [22:32]
mike_c make it a plugin like disqus (without the suck) [22:33]
mike_c then it's a better troll-box [22:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8206 @ 0.00087001 = 7.1393 BTC [+] {2} [22:33]
jborkl webirc is the best trollbox for irc [22:34]
chipug mircea_popescu: little quirks, like smilies and you can take a web cam picture in-chat. +1s for comments you like, you can tip credits. buy colours badges, have an avatar, friends list [22:34]
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ThickAsThieves did he bail because he couldn't cover a difficulty move --- nah, he either bailed because btc went to $1k and he said ah fuckit, or because he realized that the ciphertrade scam would make his bonds unredeemable [22:34]
jborkl webirc and vpn you can troll the shit out of people [22:34]
mircea_popescu chipug so it's going to beat irc by being facebook ? [22:34]
ThickAsThieves he used shareholder reserves to buy cipherbonds [22:34]
chipug i feel like the fussy parts of irc are taken away with the bits people like still left in, if that makes sense [22:34]
ThickAsThieves which i voted against [22:34]
chipug maybe somewhere in between mircea_popescu? [22:35]
Bugpowder cipherbonds????? [22:35]
Bugpowder wtf is this shit? [22:35]
ThickAsThieves on BTCT [22:35]
mircea_popescu chipug but that's not how business works. [22:35]
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ThickAsThieves ciphermine issued bonds [22:35]
ThickAsThieves perpetual, payout based on USD [22:35]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder he likely got depressed over his association with the weirdo transsexual nut. [22:35]
chipug not to beat irc mircea_popescu just catch the ones that can't be arsed with irc perhaps [22:35]
ThickAsThieves maybe he got sent to rehab / AA [22:36]
ThickAsThieves dude was def a drinker [22:36]
mircea_popescu hm. [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00532 = 0.532 BTC [-] [22:36]
jborkl Bugpowder he likely got depressed over his association with the weirdo transsexual nut << [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51989996 BTC [-] [22:36]
mircea_popescu that's explain why he kept pissing off mpoe-pr then [22:36]
mircea_popescu jborkl nono, the kate guy. [22:36]
jborkl oh so there were two [22:36]
pankkake well, he associated with usagi too [22:36]
ThickAsThieves yep [22:36]
Duffer1 kate guy? [22:36]
Duffer1 is that a dude? [22:37]
Bugpowder Why would anyone with a brain go long perpetual bonds. Those are only profitable if you short them, as a rule [22:37]
Bugpowder well, I missed a lot of stupid it seemse [22:37]
Bugpowder unsuprisingly. [22:37]
ThickAsThieves [15:37] is that a dude? Kate is Craig [22:37]
mircea_popescu pankkake i dunno his "association" with usagi was to his detriment. [22:37]
Duffer1 he was on the advisory board for Ciphertrade before he disappeared, might have something to do with his decission regarding bonds [22:37]
Duffer1 ffs spelling today >.< [22:38]
mircea_popescu guy just used to follow princess around and poke holes in his posts. was lulzy. [22:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 127 @ 0.00079 = 0.1003 BTC [-] [22:38]
ThickAsThieves guy, his, what does it all mean?! [22:39]
Duffer1 fascinating [22:39]
Duffer1 TaT do you have any plans to issue anything on Ciphertrade? [22:39]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: http://grantland.com/features/a-mysterious-physicist-golf-club-dr-v/ [22:39]
kakobrekla 21:37.36 ( ThickAsThieves ) [15:37] is that a dude? Kate is Craig < what?? [22:39]
ThickAsThieves TaT do you have any plans to issue anything on Ciphertrade? --- no, i do no [22:40]
ThickAsThieves t [22:40]
ThickAsThieves kakobrekla you didnt know? [22:40]
kakobrekla who or what is craig [22:40]
ThickAsThieves Kate's original name [22:40]
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ThickAsThieves her man name [22:40]
ThickAsThieves her slave name [22:41]
ThickAsThieves i dunno what the y call it [22:41]
kakobrekla so that avatar is chick with dick? [22:41]
ThickAsThieves yes [22:41]
ThickAsThieves no joke [22:41]
kakobrekla cool. [22:41]
Bugpowder Don't tell me Dr. V is involved with bitcoin. [22:41]
mircea_popescu chipug don't get me wrong, i understand you want to do something, and it's commendable and everything. just, atm, you're in the position of someone throwing themselves into a woodchipper. [22:41]
BingoBoingo Bugpowder: Can't be unless cadavers can bitcoin [22:41]
ThickAsThieves https://www.google.com/search?q=kate+craig+wood&oq=kate+craig+wood&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4346j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 don't fap now! [22:41]
mircea_popescu stop wasting your meager resources on boneheaded stuff like facebook campaigns that will never see a roi [22:42]
Bugpowder nsfw [22:42]
pankkake she doesn't have a dick anymore, so no [22:42]
Bugpowder not clicking [22:42]
pankkake http://iwanttobeagirl.org/ [22:42]
mod6 yikes [22:42]
ThickAsThieves she got fat http://www.flickr.com/photos/88155302@N08/8549055276/ [22:42]
ozbot I WANT TO BE A GIRL : Help for young transexuals / transsexual children / kid [22:42]
mircea_popescu yeah, only about 60% of all kids want to be the other kind. sites like that are fucking abuse. [22:43]
jborkl so that blond is a dude? I am confused as I missed some relevant parts of this conv [22:43]
ThickAsThieves facebook ads are the worst performance of like all options, other than for some very specific uses [22:43]
mircea_popescu showing a six year old girl DP and horse on girl action is fine, showing her pages about "support for her elbow-kissing" bs is criminal. [22:43]
ThickAsThieves yes the blonde is a dude [22:43]
ThickAsThieves the person running ciphereverything [22:43]
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kakobrekla http://kate.craig-wood.com/ [22:44]
ozbot Female Entrepreneur, Technology Speaker & Green IT Expert - Kate Craig-Wood [22:44]
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kakobrekla amazing [22:44]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:44]
jborkl I wonder if he sold his dick to China when they cut it off [22:44]
kakobrekla fail as male, lets try female, its easier [22:44]
ThickAsThieves she took scamming to a whole new level i guess [22:44]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla except it's only easier if you have big natural tits. [22:45]
kakobrekla less competition [22:45]
kakobrekla put female in front of everything you do [22:45]
kakobrekla and suddenly you are cream of the crop [22:45]
mircea_popescu i do that with "Romanian" already. [22:45]
kakobrekla hehehe [22:45]
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mircea_popescu "I am very active within the UK high-tech sector and was recently ranked the 20th most influential person in British ICT by in Computer Weekly's UKtech50. " [22:46]
mircea_popescu i guess that goes to show just how relevant these things are. [22:46]
ThickAsThieves Altcoin has a pool! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5004540#msg5004540 [22:46]
Duffer1 "First woman to tandem skydive past Everest" [22:46]
mircea_popescu whoa. [22:47]
pankkake omgizz! [22:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC [22:47]
jborkl what is difficulty anyway Tat? [22:47]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this is so fucking ridiculous, do you know how much dough keiser spent to get his pool ? [22:47]
mircea_popescu roflmao [22:47]
ThickAsThieves yknow it's much more gratifying for Altcoin to get all these pieces separately [22:47]
Duffer1 i think he payed for 2 pools [22:48]
ThickAsThieves than to have made some mega effort to unleash 30 parts at once [22:48]
Duffer1 neither were ready at launch of his coin [22:48]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla don't we can has email of blockr.io say them add atc ? [22:48]
Duffer1 lul [22:48]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 you've been paying attention. [22:48]
jborkl people pay for pools to be made, hmm [22:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 265 @ 0.0055 = 1.4575 BTC {2} [22:48]
Duffer1 i don't do much else these days [22:48]
mircea_popescu jborkl was like 60k [22:48]
jborkl what the fuck? why didnt you send him my way [22:49]
Duffer1 though i don't know how i missed kates missing dick, that was a surprise [22:49]
pankkake jborkl: they pay for everything. pools, exchanges, explorers [22:49]
mircea_popescu jborkl haha he didn't ask me lol [22:49]
pankkake it's a whole scamconomy [22:49]
jborkl damnit, I can make one in 5 minutes now [22:49]
mircea_popescu if he asked me i'd have pointed him your way resulting in him having a working pool for a fraction of the cost in time [22:49]
ThickAsThieves so make one! [22:50]
ThickAsThieves for ATC [22:50]
Duffer1 he's probably made more than that back [22:50]
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jborkl I already have [22:50]
ThickAsThieves oh [22:50]
mircea_popescu HOWEVER also resulting in him not being Max Fuckwit anymore [22:50]
jborkl oh not for atc [22:50]
mircea_popescu and for some people, identity is very important. [22:50]
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Duffer1 1900btc trade volum on maxcoin on mcxnow since yesterday >.< [22:50]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 made jack shit. doge hasn't seen green and now it never will. [22:50]
mircea_popescu maxcoin seeing green is like making diamonds in the desert by jumping up and donw [22:50]
ThickAsThieves the maxcoin event was so hideous to me [22:51]
mircea_popescu not only that's not enough pressure, but moreover diamonds are made of carbon not silica [22:51]
ThickAsThieves i dunno if that makes me a hypocrite [22:51]
ThickAsThieves but i dont think so [22:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's a difference between a retarded man dressing in a clown suit as his business outfit [22:51]
Duffer1 there's an argument for your legit experiment vs his outright scam [22:51]
mircea_popescu and a sane man dressing in a clown outfit to scare the shit out of everyone at the office one day [22:52]
jborkl what is your coin again Tat? [22:52]
Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.0 [22:52]
ozbot [SHA256] Altcoin [22:52]
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KRS-One Invest today. [22:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.0008702 = 6.0479 BTC [+] [22:55]
mircea_popescu sooo, who wants some altcoins ? [22:56]
Duffer1 <-- [22:56]
mircea_popescu pankkake be so kind send Duffer1 1337 ATC when you have a moment. [22:57]
BingoBoingo I dunno who doesn' want altcoins [22:57]
pankkake post address [22:57]
mircea_popescu pankkake be so kind send BingoBoingo 1337 ATC when you have a moment. [22:57]
jborkl what is a addnode for alt [22:57]
BingoBoingo 1N2vdbBpvhmeAELqCdWYWcLo5rxnBsZ2zo [22:57]
Duffer1 make it raIn Pappascu [22:57]
mircea_popescu jborkl see that thread. [22:57]
Duffer1 :P [22:57]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.300 [22:57]
jborkl oh ok [22:57]
KRS-One Where will this coin be traded? Curious to see the valuation [22:58]
mircea_popescu KRS-One see that thread :D [22:58]
KRS-One mk [22:58]
mircea_popescu so far it's about on par with doge. maybe a little more. [22:58]
KRS-One lol [22:58]
pankkake if you use the open source version, you don't need addnodes [22:58]
mod6 I'll have to try to pick up some of those ATC's later. (don't have my pub addr handy atm) [22:58]
ThickAsThieves i'd like some, but i dont even have a awallet yet [22:58]
KRS-One now i want to know when is the pump [22:58]
Duffer1 neither do i >.< [22:58]
ThickAsThieves i dont wanna run that coingen exe [22:58]
mod6 tried to solo-mine (cpu) some about a week ago, unsuccessfully. might just have to buy some. [22:58]
ThickAsThieves :X [22:58]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you still don't have any ? [22:59]
ThickAsThieves nope [22:59]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:59]
ThickAsThieves never even loaded the app [22:59]
mod6 wat [22:59]
asciilifeform what's the plan? dump when moon is full? [22:59]
mircea_popescu such a hypocrite srsly. [22:59]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is no plan [22:59]
* mod6 recalculates bid [22:59]
ThickAsThieves we need win/linux packages of it [23:00]
BingoBoingo Oh thank you. I hope there is nevar and Altcoin pump. I don't want to be tempted to split such a nice round number. [23:00]
ThickAsThieves of the pankkake strain of it [23:00]
mod6 im running it on linux... [23:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo who would pump such a thing, srsly. [23:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00532 = 0.1436 BTC [-] [23:00]
mod6 64 bit [23:00]
chipug sorry for delayed repsonse, been cooking. a woodchipper mircea? you think i'm fighting a losing battle just because where site came from originally? i don't want to do nothing.. i'm not so good at giving up. thanks for your thoughts guys by the way, much appreciated [23:00]
mod6 am I missing something? [23:00]
mircea_popescu chipug not what i said woman. you gotta read what i say not just replace it with what you've heard people say. [23:01]
benkay i'll take some alt. [23:01]
mircea_popescu benkay don't ask to ask, addy to ask. [23:01]
benkay would you be so kind as to run my alt-books as well, pankkake? [23:01]
mircea_popescu aaaa-hahaha. [23:02]
pankkake eh… [23:02]
mircea_popescu you're not getting an alt unless you run a wallet. [23:02]
pankkake well you don't need to actually run the wallet [23:02]
mircea_popescu what is this, metameta ?! [23:02]
asciilifeform what's the addr algo for 'altcoin' ? [23:02]
pankkake just use vanitygen [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im pretty sure it's exact copy of btc [23:02]
pankkake version number is same as btc [23:02]
* chipug gets it [23:02]
pankkake so I can actually send to your bitcoin addresses in altcoin [23:02]
pankkake magic! [23:02]
mircea_popescu chipug you don't have an angle. as a small entity with little money you need a god damned good angle. otherwise, what you're trying to do, compete on execution,... you'll get crushed by the larger entities. see ? [23:03]
jborkl the addnode you put up pankkake is not working [23:03]
mircea_popescu pankkake ya but then you're stuck having to export addies. [23:03]
benkay come on pankkake. alt-coin broker to the stars. [23:03]
jborkl 188.165.216.59 [23:03]
Bugpowder Holy shit, second market bought 5870BTC on Wednesday. [23:03]
pankkake jborkl: what's happenining? because it's one of my servers [23:03]
Bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337486.0 [23:03]
jborkl wait it finally hooked up [23:03]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder isn't this instructive as to their relative unimportance ? would you say ? [23:03]
ozbot SecondMarket Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer [23:03]
Duffer1 they plan to create an exchange [23:04]
asciilifeform 1snsaCCwLsKjuUqfjK7qat696P5xYCoYn [23:04]
jborkl just trying to dl the blockchain for it [23:04]
mircea_popescu ahaha [23:04]
Duffer1 nice [23:04]
mircea_popescu pankkake 1snsaCCwLsKjuUqfjK7qat696P5xYCoYn << 1337 svp [23:04]
mod6 ThickAsThieves: did you ever hear back from BlueMatt about the source? [23:04]
Bugpowder They are about as important a big early adopter [23:04]
* chipug nods at mircea_popescu [23:05]
Bugpowder 80,000BTC holders have some clout [23:05]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder they deployed 6mn in capital, took it in the teeth for 10% the next day. sounds kinda chump-y. [23:05]
KRS-One U can try to get a hold of Fontas. Behold: Teh FONTAS pump. [23:05]
Bugpowder long time horizon, can't time the market. Just buy as the money comes in. [23:06]
mircea_popescu yeah well. [23:06]
Bugpowder people that use them are chumpy [23:06]
mircea_popescu clout usually is about shorter timespans than "eventually". [23:06]
Bugpowder Do we know what they PAID for those coins? [23:07]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder so then there we go, 80k btc holders in 500 different hands are... well... what they are. [23:07]
mircea_popescu im sure they didn't get them for ALT. [23:07]
Bugpowder maybe they got them below market [23:07]
mircea_popescu for that token, maybe they got them 15% over spot. [23:07]
KRS-One http://www.livememe.com/ddtoo75 [23:07]
ozbot livememe.com - chikun [23:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.13499792 = 0.675 BTC [+] {2} [23:10]
BingoBoingo ;;nethash Altcoin [23:12]
gribble (nethash takes no arguments) -- Shows the current estimate for total network hash rate, in Ghps. [23:12]
mircea_popescu mod6 afaik he finally did get the sauce. [23:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04556002 = 0.2278 BTC [-] {2} [23:14]
mod6 ahh, ok cool. [23:15]
mod6 should link that on the homepage, ThickAsThieves [23:16]
jborkl I put a stratum pool on it [23:16]
jborkl hehe blow up diff [23:16]
jborkl 62.7 not for long [23:16]
mircea_popescu this should be interesting. [23:17]
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mircea_popescu i suppose if "the core dev" power-rangers fuck up too badly we can just move on to atc and be all liek... whatever. [23:18]
ThickAsThieves i got one! 17dXWwn7hcTtSQpBptXaoRWuR6SPETst2U [23:19]
KRS-One i guess i can set up my asics to mine directly [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00086806 = 7.0313 BTC [-] [23:20]
ThickAsThieves should link that on the homepage, ThickAsThieves -- i will this weekend, gotta go [23:20]
ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/secondmarket-takes-first-step-to-becoming-us-exchange-with-new-seller-service/ [23:21]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdrnyzKyxE1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg [23:21]
mod6 ThickAsThieves: aight thanks man [23:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5075 @ 0.00086972 = 4.4138 BTC [+] {2} [23:25]
chipug mircea_popescu: lol @ the seated lassie's expression [23:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8125 @ 0.00087096 = 7.0766 BTC [+] {2} [23:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC [23:30]
deadweasel http://www.itnews.com.au/News/371774,russia-bans-bitcoin.aspx ? [23:31]
ozbot Russia bans Bitcoin - Finance - Business - News - iTnews.com.au [23:31]
asciilifeform deadweasel: old news [23:31]
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KRS-One .bait [23:34]
ozbot http://25.media.tumblr.com/0cf5c46475d4f71bcdc2f4d2388ed299/tumblr_mi46cf9pOw1s03awmo1_1280.jpg [23:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 39 @ 0.0055 = 0.2145 BTC [23:35]
KRS-One ATC needs an official .bait [23:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00086687 = 8.1486 BTC [-] [23:37]
pankkake http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/alt-girl [23:37]
ozbot alt girl on Tumblr [23:37]
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mircea_popescu lol [23:37]
pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/7f9c7b26a052d67986aa1b017ce422be/tumblr_mmvx2akUip1rh8rhuo1_500.jpg [23:38]
mircea_popescu basically tattoos only work on white chicks of that particular complexion [23:38]
pankkake I have a hard time with colored tattoos [23:39]
asciilifeform wonder if anyone makes a tattoo printer. [23:39]
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asciilifeform dot-matrix style [23:39]
mircea_popescu give it that nice limoges look [23:39]
asciilifeform (can't help but think of Kafka's 'The Penal Colony') [23:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it would probably need a full body scanner tho [23:40]
asciilifeform (the man invented the dot-matrix printer! seriously.) [23:40]
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Bugpowder looks like my ex with smaller tatas [23:41]
asciilifeform doesn't have to be full body - can run it over skin, like a shaver. [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever had one of those hand-held scanners ? [23:41]
asciilifeform yes [23:42]
mircea_popescu they SUCKED [23:42]
asciilifeform they sure did. [23:42]
mircea_popescu so no, no run it over skin like a shaver. please no. [23:42]
asciilifeform newer ones with an optical mouse-style sensor instead of the wheels almost work. [23:42]
jborkl Tat, regular stratum runs against it but- mining.submit must be different. You will need to ask [23:42]
mircea_popescu dumbass teenyboppers of 2020 will do it and if they do i will hunt you down [23:42]
asciilifeform (optical mouse scans skin just fine, try it) [23:42]
asciilifeform http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/other/moodinq_main_zoom.jpg [23:43]
asciilifeform fake? [23:43]
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Bugpowder re: second market exchange : i guess they need a way to start liquidating ? [23:43]
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asciilifeform http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/moodinq-tattoo.shtml [23:43]
ozbot ThinkGeek :: moodINQ - Programmable Tattoo System [23:43]
asciilifeform ok fake. but exactly what i imagined. [23:43]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdo840RqwH1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << never sit in a club queue again [23:44]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would think so. [23:44]
pankkake oh, I like that one [23:44]
pankkake if only pic was bigger :( [23:44]
mircea_popescu "for illustrative purposes only" [23:44]
pankkake https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/c97b56d35fdddb6a7ce002dddd2e94e7/tumblr_mg3p7bFur41rmcr76o1_1280.jpg [23:44]
mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdo88qoXHz1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << and this'd be the real problem with boobjobs. [23:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+] [23:45]
asciilifeform http://techtripper.com/a-tattoo-making-robot-that-etches-your-forearm-with-a-religion-of-its-own-choice/ [23:45]
ozbot A tattoo making robot that etches your forearm with a religion of its own choice | TechTripper [23:45]
asciilifeform cat pgp.pl > /dev/tattoo [23:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok, that may work, but... [23:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1349999 BTC [+] [23:46]
mircea_popescu " Tattoos made by the robot cannot be compared with handmade tattoos and the device would need more advanced mechanism to imitate the behavior of artists who hold the skin tight to engrave tattoos." [23:46]
mircea_popescu now this at least has good spatial controls. the razor thing... heh [23:47]
BingoBoingo ;;ident BingoBoingo [23:47]
gribble Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is not identified. [23:47]
Duffer1 what's Altcoins vanitygen -x value? [23:47]
Duffer1 0? [23:47]
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BingoBoingo ;;ident BingoBoingo [23:48]
gribble Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None [23:48]
asciilifeform can we get altc addrs in those? [23:48]
BingoBoingo WTB: 30,000 Altcoins @150 satoshis per [23:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-] [23:49]
Duffer1 is your snsa address not a altcoin address? [23:49]
asciilifeform shat out by vanitygen, so, it is. [23:49]
mircea_popescu usure ? [23:50]
BingoBoingo I've got to take my Altcoin balance from 1337 to 31337 [23:50]
Duffer1 i don't know enough about the process involved to know if it's generating a Altcoin compatible address [23:50]
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Duffer1 i really don't want to run the exe hehe [23:51]
mircea_popescu prolly smart. [23:51]
asciilifeform if lifted from classic btc, it's compatible. [23:51]
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mod6 yeah, i cringe at running pre-compiled binaries. [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00062099 = 3.105 BTC [-] [23:52]
asciilifeform i'm still waiting for the first directly trojaned altcoin. [23:52]
mike_c did i miss the l33t giveaway? i'd like to hoard some more atc at 1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX [23:52]
mircea_popescu it happened afaik [23:53]
mod6 but was excited enough to try it out to see if I could get a solo-block. didn't happen. lol [23:53]
mircea_popescu mike_c it's for ppl who has none! i'm not sending tat any either [23:53]
mike_c aww [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BBET] 4350 @ 0.000621 = 2.7014 BTC [+] [23:53]
asciilifeform trojaned in the 'magic block sets up the bomb' style [23:53]
mircea_popescu let him be destitute in the land he helped create. [23:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform iirc it was just some random crapware bundled with the wallet [23:53]
asciilifeform ah that's lame. should be diddled in a way that survives recompile. [23:54]
asciilifeform UCC-style. [23:54]
mircea_popescu you keep thinking you're in this parallel universe where people like... put effort into what they do and whatnot. [23:54]
asciilifeform i sorta live there [23:54]
mircea_popescu sprezzatura, read up on it. [23:54]
mircea_popescu the bug that ruined five empires [23:55]
BingoBoingo http://valleywag.gawker.com/this-man-is-representing-aol-on-live-television-1518467796/@sarah-hedgecock [23:55]
assbot 123! [23:55]
ozbot This Man Is Representing AOL on Live Television [23:55]
mircea_popescu waitwait. hedge c0k ?! [23:55]
BingoBoingo Looks like it, gotta hedge those c0k values [23:56]
mircea_popescu over 9000 c0x hedged so far [23:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.003081 = 0.2773 BTC [+] [23:56]
BingoBoingo c0k futures are even more precarious than difficulty futures [23:56]
asciilifeform 'for every smart orifice,' there's a spiked hedge-c0k... [23:56]
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BingoBoingo I wonder if that futurist is Vexual? [23:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.13499999 BTC [+] [23:58]
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