Forum logs for 06 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10229 @ 0.00096334 = 9.854 BTC [-] {2}	[00:08]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/EQcLPHH	[00:22]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[00:22]
nubbins`	and	[00:22]
thestringpuller	damn	[00:22]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/IQ5blcV	[00:22]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[00:22]
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nubbins`	that's pretty much my past 24 hours right there	[00:23]
nubbins`	now, a quick power nap before the album release show where all this shit is being sold	[00:24]
thestringpuller	it should all be burned	[00:25]
thestringpuller	like an effigy!	[00:25]
thestringpuller	BURN IT TO THE GROUND	[00:25]
thestringpuller	;;calc 100/483	[00:25]
gribble	0.207039337474	[00:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5250 @ 0.00019998 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {3}	[00:27]
truffles	take off the blue animal thing improves that one	[00:29]
truffles	burn the others	[00:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529999 = 0.1059 BTC [+]	[00:32]
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nubbins`	THANKS FOR THE INPUT GUISE	[01:04]
truffles	burn it with the other stuff	[01:04]
truffles	it looks like clutter though, just trying to help out	[01:05]
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nubbins`	noted. it looks the way it looks on purpose :D	[01:07]
truffles	i c that	[01:07]
nubbins`	fun fact, the blue is actually the original	[01:07]
truffles	id like em better as 2 separate works	[01:07]
truffles	u save on ink too :D	[01:09]
jurov	seems truffles needs dick surgery	[01:12]
nubbins`	^	[01:13]
truffles	why does it need to be shredded	[01:13]
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nubbins`	coffee-beer-smokables-music	[01:16]
nubbins`	peace	[01:16]
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benkay	;;later tell nubbins` sounds like a great day	[01:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:16]
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benkay	i'll just squeeze this beer: http://pitchlandia.com/faq/	[01:25]
benkay	"20 startups make their pitch. The crowd makes its choices. The top 10 startups receive equal funding."	[01:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04998894 = 1.1497 BTC [+] {2}	[01:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03473478 = 0.7989 BTC [-] {2}	[01:55]
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benkay	22 years old, significant fraction of btc on deposit at bitstamp, engineer at facebook, can't diddle his dollas: http://rasmuzen.com/bitstamp	[02:24]
kakobrekla	theres several issues here	[02:26]
kakobrekla	idiot customers and idiot service provider	[02:27]
kakobrekla	the result, well, there it is.	[02:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00344001 = 0.485 BTC [-]	[02:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 138 @ 0.00342792 = 0.4731 BTC [-] {5}	[02:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+]	[02:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00096753 = 10.3042 BTC [+]	[03:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00096753 = 8.1756 BTC [+]	[03:22]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[03:29]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 460.96, Best ask: 463.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 463.0, 24 hour volume: 6528.94404985, 24 hour low: 441.25, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 452.917999845	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	s.mg report incoming with apologies for teh delay	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	apparently scheduled posts dun work for some reason.	[03:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 569 @ 0.00017901 = 0.1019 BTC [-]	[03:35]
asciilifeform	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-05/abn-amro-ex-ceo-found-dead	[03:41]
ozbot	ABN Amro Ex-CEO Found Dead \| Zero Hedge	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	jurov you know, enforcing boundaries has little to do with despising. a man may plow with six oxen, and may not sleep with oxen in his bed.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	doesn't mean he despises the beasts nao.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the bodies getting bigger...	[03:42]
asciilifeform	this promises to end like that folk tale - the executioner is ordered to chop his own head.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	last banker up turn off the lights.	[03:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.08299776 = 2.8219 BTC [-] {3}	[03:47]
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mircea_popescu	from the fucktarded "advertisments" on zero hedge :	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	"A Long Time Product Tester Revels the Secrets to Getting FREE Products"	[03:48]
kakobrekla	by being a whore. nuttin new.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	revels/reveals is the butt :D	[03:51]
kakobrekla	ah i only skimmed	[03:51]
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kakobrekla	nondiLigently.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:52]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla just for that i pulled up the only twelve or so pages where i had misspelled it and FIXED IT	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	so now you got NOTHING	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	HA!	[03:56]
kakobrekla	:D	[03:57]
kakobrekla	btw that template you sent me last time still had it fyi.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	omfg haters gonna haet	[04:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58012171 BTC [+]	[04:01]
kakobrekla	lolk, ill stop	[04:01]
bounce	hatters gonna hat	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	i think ima just negrate the dictionary till they fix it my way.	[04:01]
kakobrekla	heheh	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	i'm not eeven the only oine btw, for some reason dill is fucking popular with finance people.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html < grep	[04:02]
ozbot	ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up	[04:02]
kakobrekla	yeah dunno whats up with that, havent seen pornstars go googling for 'dilldo'	[04:03]
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mircea_popescu	it's from all the pickles.	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	so who's this cgcardona fellow	[04:05]
kakobrekla	?	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, some hawaiian from teh logs.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: congrats are in order. << ty.	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00096313 = 3.4191 BTC [-]	[04:08]
kakobrekla	dont tell me you talked to doog ? :D	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	this was about nefario.	[04:08]
kakobrekla	yea but doog stopped coding it	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron:	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read) << actuallyt, you can reload the article x times and it won't cut further credits.	[04:08]
kakobrekla	thats why everything is on halt	[04:08]
kakobrekla	afaik	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it << this man hates freedom!	[04:10]
pankkake	I regreted what I wrote but - I mean an easy to use service to pay by the page	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	holy hell 20% ? we're at 6bn ?!	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	pankkake in a mid to long term perspective i suspect the trilema system may actually work	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	as more worthwhile sites implement it eventually you'd prolly have a centralizer site, select all you want from there	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	then it micropays for you as needed	[04:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00096492 = 1.5439 BTC [+]	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	,d	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	.d	[04:12]
ozbot	6.120 billion \| Next Diff in 1926 blocks \| Estimated Change: 7.3495% in 12d 8h 35m 10s	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	insane.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	Crown Commercial Service (CCS) - a new cabinet office department that handles public sector purcasing and commercial operations - said in a statement, "By combining demand, on behalf of Central Government departments and the wider public sector, Crown Commercial Service has demonstrated the benefits of government working as a single customer to achieve best value for the taxpayer, whilst continuing to build good worki	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	ng relationships with our technology suppliers."	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	this is what the uk comissariat imagines buying more xp means.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	my mind's well boggled.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	punkman: farming's hard work for most people << not harder than a good workout at the gym. except instead of paying for membership, you get paid.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	twizt: lol companies cant go public without being in here? < not successfuly, no.	[04:15]
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mircea_popescu	and you know, talk to them bout repping, why not.	[04:16]
mike_c	i was a big admirer of philip greenspun. i attended one of arsdigita's classes in boston. reading that article makes me sick.	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	mike_c he sounds quite admirable, especially when he's doing the narration. third parties... well more of a mixed bag.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ahh that bitdaytrade thing was epic.	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	possibly my favourite incompetence story in the history of btc. that and the early polish dudes.	[04:19]
kakobrekla	i dont think i ever saw code as bad as that btw	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 were you thinking of the bitbet overpay last month ?	[04:21]
kakobrekla	the amt of coin aa managed to fuck up is amazing	[04:22]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla dude are you kidding me ? mysql/php exchange, with mysql_insert(straight-get-reference)	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	it was beyond the believable, it literally said, "take the string from the url and put it in the db as is"	[04:22]
joecool	sounds legit	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	just absolutely incredible, i mean people may occasionally get the idea that their car doesn't need gasoline to run, not really. so they run it on whatever, toluene	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	hair spray, moonshine	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	but to actually try to use a mixture of sugar and quick setting cement as fuel ?!	[04:24]
joecool	i dunno, i used grease once and it worked ok	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	was it made by john deere ?	[04:25]
joecool	people said it sounded like it was, VW made it	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/6fRBitc.jpg this looks pretty workable.	[04:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.034634 = 0.5195 BTC [-] {2}	[04:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00096421 = 8.8707 BTC [-]	[04:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00019997 = 0.2 BTC [+] {3}	[04:40]
MisterE	sounds like CCS was set up just to offload the blame for that retarded $9mil USD XP support contract.	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	possible.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	not the first time the 51st state is used for a sort of current day new jersey	[04:43]
joecool	dirty jerz	[04:47]
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mircea_popescu	"Let's not succumb to this collectivist Eastern Europe sucks mentality. Eastern Europe is not the issue here. Best Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp is operated from Slovenia and second best, BTC-e is run from Bulgaria."	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	see kakobrekla ? eastern europe is not the issue here.	[04:49]
kakobrekla	heh	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	The committee also criticises the Daily Mail and The Daily Telegraphfor placing “heavy reliance . . . on the ability of their readers to distinguish between fact and opinion on climate science”.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	it's kinda funny that just as bitcoin organises one end of the spectrum towards individualism,	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	teh state is getting increasingly more collectivist too.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i guess to no-one's surprise.	[04:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00096449 = 1.0609 BTC [+]	[05:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 842 @ 0.00018125 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {2}	[05:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03461 = 0.2769 BTC [-]	[05:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05110001 = 0.5621 BTC [+] {2}	[05:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00019998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}	[05:18]
cryptolemming	Evening / morning, Mircea mind if I ask what became of the SEC situation, did they simply leave it be or leave it with some element of threat to return? was an interesting situation.	[05:20]
cazalla	omg those romanians.. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/video-granny-spinning-gang-target-3377078	[05:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6108 @ 0.00096444 = 5.8908 BTC [-] {2}	[05:22]
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mircea_popescu	cryptolemming nothing really.	[05:25]
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mircea_popescu	it wouldn't be political to issue threats in any case. i guess they didn't get what they wanted and are considering their options.	[05:26]
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cryptolemming	can't help but assume the attention will begin to trickle down to entities such as just-dice, don't know enough to know if they'd even really care about something so relatively small.	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	tbh, it'd seem the vast majority of the internet population is sorely legally illiterate and otherwise quite psychotic.	[05:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05010663 = 0.5011 BTC [-] {4}	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	sec is just trying to find its place in this new world, it's just common sense they'd come to talk to me about it.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea what all the panic is all about.	[05:33]
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cryptolemming	panic?	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[05:34]
cryptolemming	it does make sense they'd talk to you about it yeah	[05:34]
cryptolemming	haven't noticed much panic, although haven't spent much time here either, everything seems fine otherwise	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	"with some element of threat" ; " the attention will begin to trickle down", to not even go into teh forum reddit etc.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	you'd think fort sumter was fired on last week.	[05:36]
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cryptolemming	really, guess the wording was a bit strong	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	but anyway!	[05:37]
chetty	just a lot of nuts out to pump the drama	[05:37]
cryptolemming	seems like a lot of artifical extensions are being made from a couple slightly although subjectively perceived over-dramatic words	[05:38]
cryptolemming	curious about sec, was an interesting situation, curious about jd, launching something similar soon from a not-so-friendly jurisdiction, it's just chatter	[05:38]
cryptolemming	i don't think there's anything to worry about	[05:39]
cryptolemming	can explore topics neutrally, nm though sure	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	what's jd launching ?	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05349988 = 0.8025 BTC [+] {2}	[05:40]
cryptolemming	nothing afaik, I'm launching something similar, these topics are thus more interesting atm	[05:41]
cryptolemming	not really all that interesting though, so nm	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	you're launching something similar to what, jd ?	[05:45]
cryptolemming	in the sense that we are allowing bankrollers yes, and offering a game of chance	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	aha	[05:47]
kakobrekla	;;later tell mike_c http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/	[05:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:48]
mike_c	awesome!	[05:48]
kakobrekla	also spam has found your blog again :>	[05:49]
mike_c	at least someone is commenting.	[05:49]
kakobrekla	:D	[05:49]
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kakobrekla	anyway the last parameter there will tell you the relative size of the trade	[05:50]
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BCB	http://puu.sh/7XF8m.jpg	[05:55]
kakobrekla	basically it tells you the effective leverage for the trade	[05:57]
cryptolemming	aha?	[06:03]
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ThickAsThieves	my post on "Narcotic Checkpoints" is now the hottest thing in the Facebook community page	[06:07]
ThickAsThieves	moderators are asking if i can move it to a "rants" area now that it has 150 posts and is dominating the feed	[06:07]
ThickAsThieves	"I'm no longer commenting on the dumbest topic I've heard in my life! This is ignorant! One day you will need the police for something and I hope they are not there to help you! You don't deserve the kindness that they put out in the community everyday! Go to court, hire a lawyer do whatever you want but plez post what happens when they laugh you out of there!"	[06:08]
ThickAsThieves	upon inspection of her page, there is a baby photo, wearin a Sheriff badge	[06:08]
ThickAsThieves	i'll probably be harassed anywhere i go now...	[06:09]
iamnot_	facebook community page?	[06:09]
ThickAsThieves	yeah we have a group thingie in facebook	[06:09]
ThickAsThieves	that the community uses	[06:09]
ThickAsThieves	mostly to ask fro plumber recommendations n shit	[06:09]
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iamnot_	lol	[06:10]
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ThickAsThieves	i replied "I do appreciate officers and their service. The law is an ever-evolving thing, with precedents and incidents defining its meaning constantly. I'm not calling them evil, but I am saying that NCs might be out of bounds. Your malice towards me is unfortunate, as no matter how much I we disagree, I do hope someone is there to help you anytime you may need it."	[06:11]
ThickAsThieves	to which she says (remember she's done commenting!) "I'm sure they will definitely be there to help me! Unfortunately they can't pick and choose who they help....I'm sure you would be on the NO help list!"	[06:12]
ThickAsThieves	admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikihow.com%2FUse-There%2C-Their-and-They%27re&ei=E8ZAU76RAY-wsAT4hYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUDz_wqUzyiVCDFekwBoaqO20NWQ&sig2=0XULb0AYQMcseS7VzgO9Rg&bvm=bv.64125504,d.cWc	[06:12]
ThickAsThieves	oops,	[06:12]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're	[06:12]
ozbot	How to Use There, Their and They're (with Examples) - wikiHow	[06:12]
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mike_c	kakobrekla: ah, cool about the leverage. is there a delay on it?	[06:26]
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kakobrekla	theres a few things i must finish to make it completely automagic, after that trades will show as soon as they are closed (refreshed every 10 min or so)	[06:28]
mike_c	nice	[06:28]
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moiety	mew	[06:32]
moiety	http://rt.com/news/pakistan-baby-attempted-murder-577/	[06:32]
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mircea_popescu	poor tat, causing trouble wherever he goes because he's a mp sock	[06:40]
MisterE	http://42coin.org/news/peercover-features-42coin-exchange/	[06:42]
ozbot	Peercover features 42Coin Exchange \| 42 Coin – Official News	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	"Have you ever wanted to trade your Crypto Currencies against GOLD, SILVER, Platinum? Now you can"	[06:43]
moiety	mircea_popescu: anyone having their own opinion tends to be sock-accused in my experience	[06:43]
chetty	ThickAsThieves, a usual case of worship 'authority', never question	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	yeah totally. couldn't before, since about 2011	[06:43]
kakobrekla	everyone is the first and the biggest.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	i guess "the first and biggest" sounds better than "the derpiest and cluelessest"	[06:44]
*	kakobrekla googles	[06:44]
kakobrekla	it does.	[06:44]
MisterE	or the "world's premiere site for foo"	[06:44]
kakobrekla	haha	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	i think that's premier	[06:44]
kakobrekla	premiere tumbleweed.	[06:44]
kakobrekla	whatevers	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	actually it's "whatever"	[06:44]
kakobrekla	....	[06:45]
kakobrekla	actually its "..."	[06:45]
MisterE	I spel American	[06:45]
kakobrekla	i scam somali	[06:45]
kakobrekla	s/scam/spell	[06:45]
MisterE	lol	[06:45]
chetty	kakobrekla, same thing	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda, whom only the eldest perhaps still remember, was famously accused by some derp of "being a grammer naxi that corecteing people 24/7"	[06:45]
kakobrekla	:p	[06:46]
moiety	;; later tell BingoBoingo i get now it was a joke, i didn't before.	[06:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:46]
moiety	does later tell work in gribble pms?	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	http://42coin.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gold_bars.jpg	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	i like how the gold bars get etching and shit	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	http://42coin.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sell_silver.jpeg	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	but the silver ain't cool enough for school.	[06:46]
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kakobrekla	btw where did vrag go	[06:50]
kakobrekla	he produced a lot of lines.	[06:50]
kakobrekla	if my memory serves me right.	[06:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 776 @ 0.00096492 = 0.7488 BTC [+]	[06:51]
decimation	pat buchanan has some good posts on Taki's mag: http://takimag.com/article/is_putin_one_of_us_patrick_buchanan	[06:52]
kakobrekla	read it "taaki mag" and almost had a heart attack.	[06:52]
decimation	lol	[06:53]
tg2	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8r0iIb82s	[06:53]
ozbot	42-COIN BIG BIG BIG Extreme info alert for cryptocoin buyers. - YouTube	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	who knows	[06:53]
tg2	lol	[06:53]
tg2	mircea_popescu, you better watch that and get you some good crypto advice	[06:53]
decimation	fred reed is good too: http://takimag.com/article/the_soul_of_a_curmudgeon_fred_reed	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	decimation you mean taki of the spectator ?	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	tg2 transcript ?	[06:54]
MisterE	break it down for us tg2	[06:54]
jborkl	Lol they are selling kilo bars?	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/high-life/6525763/high-life-11/ this taki ?	[06:54]
ozbot	High life » The Spectator	[06:54]
MisterE	wtf? 2.2lbs?	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	jborkl yeah. two thirds of a bar gets you all of ripple.	[06:54]
jborkl	Lol	[06:54]
MisterE	:D	[06:54]
decimation	yeah the same guy	[06:55]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki_Theodoracopulos	[06:55]
ozbot	Taki Theodoracopulos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:55]
jborkl	Just don't assey them	[06:55]
jborkl	Sp	[06:55]
MisterE	I dunno why it looks like lead underneath, it says right on the bar 99.9% fine	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[06:56]
jborkl	Solig tungsten core	[06:56]
MisterE	tungsten heavy like that?	[06:56]
jborkl	It is the same density as gold	[06:56]
jborkl	Almost exactly	[06:57]
MisterE	oh wow	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	decimation that wikipedia article is perhaps the best indictment of the "wikipedia" notion of an encyclopedia one could devise.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	seriously, that's all they have to say about taki, that he called some simian looking jew "homely" and that fascists taking over greece'd be an improvement over the current sort of socialists ?	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	with culture like this illiteracy seems an impossibility.	[06:58]
decimation	well, the wikipedia is the lowest common denominator of american thinking	[06:58]
tg2	lol transcript: dude is retarded. I watch that video when I want to feel better about my crypto portfolio.	[06:58]
decimation	so it's pretty much facebook socialism	[06:58]
decimation	fred reed money quote: "My wife Violeta, a Mexican, describes the United States as a Third World country with a First World infrastructure (un pais tercermundista con infraestructura primermundista)"	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	not anymore.	[06:59]
decimation	yeah the infrastructure is getting very spotty	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	it shocked me what poor state of repair the infrastructure was	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	and this was a decade ago.	[06:59]
jborkl	Taki s haircut makes bitcoin drop 10% in value	[06:59]
MisterE	bridges falling apart it's amazing	[06:59]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	decimation you saw that epic bridge jury rig btw ?	[07:00]
decimation	heh no what are you talking about?	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	o god lemme find it.	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg	[07:01]
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decimation	as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast	[07:01]
decimation	that's so sad	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	i went from new hampshire to new mexico.	[07:01]
decimation	the engineer who designed that bridge is probably crying	[07:01]
decimation	the northeast is the worst in my experience	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	decimation maybe he suicided with a rivet gun	[07:01]
decimation	lol	[07:02]
decimation	I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	he accidentally died of a self inflicted would while trying to propel himself with a nailgun	[07:02]
decimation	heh. Fred Reed's blog is pretty classic too: http://www.fredoneverything.net/	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	anyway, back in 2004 mass was fighting like 3 separare wrongful death suits arising out of chunks of concrete coming off the road and flying into people's cars	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit.	[07:05]
tg2	we have that problem in quebec currently	[07:05]
tg2	overpasses falling down	[07:05]
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decimation	yeah that was after they spent billions on the "big dig"	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	big dig wasn't nearly done yet	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	but no, these were just poorly maintained state highways	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	no fucking idea who told you people cement works for this application btw	[07:06]
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mircea_popescu	europe is all asphalt.	[07:06]
asciilifeform	so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive:	[07:06]
asciilifeform	http://imgur.com/ODmkenB	[07:06]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[07:06]
decimation	www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/us/12tunnel.html	[07:06]
asciilifeform	first thought was 'gasenwagen'	[07:06]
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decimation	I thought you were talking about that. as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty epic	[07:07]
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decimation	ascii you should just rent a room in the marriott across from fort meade	[07:07]
chetty	hahaha save the man some travel $$	[07:08]
asciilifeform	perhaps those are... free.	[07:09]
asciilifeform	but 'one way.'	[07:09]
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decimation	ascii I do agree with your point about rental property. I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying"	[07:10]
decimation	the assumption is that only lowlifes with no credit rent	[07:10]
asciilifeform	on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live.	[07:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05581 = 0.1674 BTC [+]	[07:11]
asciilifeform	they exist, but tend to be 'for students' (even when hours away from any kind of school) and full of antiquated crap	[07:11]
asciilifeform	imagine paying $3k/mo for a building with no garbage disposal	[07:11]
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decimation	yeah in my experience most "landlords" are real estate agents who generally are happy with a zero cashflow - they write off the depreciation against their income	[07:12]
asciilifeform	actually, my understanding is that many of them are 'civilians' who went 'underwater'	[07:12]
asciilifeform	i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses	[07:13]
moiety	i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place.	[07:13]
asciilifeform	man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid.	[07:13]
asciilifeform	so he rents it out, often at a loss	[07:13]
decimation	yeah that's the other population. obviously, neither is interested in paying anything for property maintenance	[07:14]
asciilifeform	moiety: in the u.s. (no idea about elsewhere) - they have 'special' credit offers for the freshly bankrupt. with 40% interest, etc.	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion.	[07:14]
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mircea_popescu	what the fuck difference does it make what he paid.	[07:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it does - to him.	[07:15]
asciilifeform	chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in	[07:15]
moiety	asciilifeform: just seems so daft that you have to get messed up to get it and staying debt free actually harms you	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	moiety thats just the contemporary implementation of "every man needs a lord"	[07:16]
chetty	moiety, but thats the whole bankster trap, in a nutshell	[07:17]
asciilifeform	moiety: in u.s., folks with money traditionally keep credit cards, which are paid off as soon as they are used, for 'x percent back' crap.	[07:17]
moiety	i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses	[07:17]
moiety	you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating	[07:17]
moiety	but you need a credit card to get a credit rating	[07:17]
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tg2	cellphone contract will usually build credit )	[07:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.035 = 0.245 BTC [-]	[07:18]
asciilifeform	i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting	[07:18]
decimation	yeah homes are definitely fully funded with bezzle	[07:19]
asciilifeform	'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx'	[07:19]
asciilifeform	'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter'	[07:19]
tg2	you trying to buy shark with goldfish budget	[07:20]
decimation	not only that, the local governments lard their coffers with property taxes	[07:20]
decimation	which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation	[07:20]
asciilifeform	tg2: more interesting than that. you can easily 'buy' the shark with the 'goldfish' price - because you are also paying with your arse virginity in that scenario	[07:21]
tg2	property tax is the biggest scheme	[07:21]
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tg2	there needs to be some recourse for home owners that get "reevaluated" at 10% more when their house has not inreased in value	[07:21]
asciilifeform	tg2: the folks who 'bought' during bubble peak, etc. are still doomed	[07:22]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County_Public_Schools "Budget: US$1.6 Billion"	[07:22]
ozbot	Prince George's County Public Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[07:22]
moiety	you can claim free land in scotland	[07:22]
asciilifeform	moiety: while you're at it, we can also note that living far out at sea is free	[07:22]
asciilifeform	but it doesn't exactly work for most people.	[07:23]
decimation	you can live aboard a boat docked at baltimore for a few $k per year	[07:24]
asciilifeform	decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat	[07:25]
asciilifeform	in most american ports	[07:25]
moiety	asciilifeform: one guy claimed 50 hectares, started to build, got some people occupying the land at a rented rate, paid for the build. free house, lots of land	[07:25]
asciilifeform	not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing	[07:25]
decimation	yeah boats are a money pit	[07:26]
moiety	the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually	[07:26]
decimation	I suspect most "free land" in scotland is either on a cliff or in a moor	[07:26]
asciilifeform	and since when is construction 'free' ?	[07:26]
moiety	decimation: it all depends how long/hard you are willing to look. its not like its listed anywhere	[07:27]
moiety	not the construction being free asciilifeform but it was paid for by the money from the people occupying the land for him, which is actually part of the terms. win win	[07:28]
decimation	ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game	[07:28]
moiety	he just threw a post up on a forum	[07:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump.	[07:29]
asciilifeform	there is, for instance, a kind of gristly and sinewy chump that grinds apart in the chumpatron very reluctantly	[07:29]
asciilifeform	and there's the kind which crunches eagerly, like chocolate	[07:30]
moiety	and theres the kind that wind up there out of obligation	[07:31]
decimation	lol	[07:31]
decimation	well, the us today is pretty much an enormous chumpatron	[07:31]
decimation	from which escape is neigh impossible, and alternatives few	[07:31]
asciilifeform	escape isn't impossible, but requires reaching 'escape velocity'	[07:32]
asciilifeform	like a gravitational 'well'	[07:32]
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asciilifeform	best advice for folks not yet parked in the gravity well is 'stay the hell out'	[07:33]
asciilifeform	much cheaper/easier than having to rocket out later.	[07:33]
decimation	yeah, this is true. I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome?	[07:34]
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decimation	http://globalnews.ca/news/1072303/over-3100-americans-renounced-citizenship-last-year-fbi/	[07:35]
ozbot	More than 3,100 Americans renounced citizenship last year: FBI - National \| Globalnews.ca	[07:35]
chetty	when they actually build that border fence you know you are trouble	[07:36]
asciilifeform	the fellow who bought my 'urbit dukedom' for 4.5btc publicly burned his u.s. passport.	[07:38]
asciilifeform	(long ago)	[07:38]
chetty	well formal renounce costs money :P	[07:39]
decimation	I don't think that actually works	[07:39]
moiety	a lot of people seem to have turned their attention to canada thesedays	[07:40]
asciilifeform	the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to	[07:40]
asciilifeform	just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick	[07:40]
decimation	true. just like the Royal Navy in the early 1800's	[07:41]
decimation	"oh, you've become an American now? good on ya - you sail for the King now"	[07:41]
chetty	yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days)	[07:42]
decimation	as if foriegn banks operate in the interest of their account holders	[07:42]
moiety	free guns with us bank accounts	[07:42]
asciilifeform	chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees	[07:43]
asciilifeform	now let's say they stop honouring renunciations	[07:43]
asciilifeform	plenty of historic precedent	[07:44]
chetty	exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent	[07:44]
asciilifeform	;;google republikflucht	[07:44]
gribble	Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: ; Republikflucht - Wiktionary:	[07:44]
asciilifeform	'you grew up in our glorious motherland? still want to leave, bastard? fine - pony up $1mil, to cover the cost of building you'	[07:45]
tg2	thats how slavery started	[07:45]
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tg2	but the reverse	[07:45]
tg2	lol	[07:45]
decimation	right, my only point is that they are all fractional reserve banks on the British model. The bezzle follows you everywhere	[07:45]
tg2	canada has that	[07:47]
tg2	its called brain drain	[07:47]
chetty	but they reach out all over the world to serve those unfortunate 'unbanked'	[07:48]
tg2	education and healthcare heavily subsidized, then high talent individuals go to silicon valley and work there	[07:48]
kakobrekla	this brain drain thingy seems to be everywhere. but how could that be, it has to drain to something, unless its sewer?	[07:49]
kakobrekla	to someplace *	[07:49]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: the answer lies in the sewer.	[07:49]
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chetty	going galt?	[07:49]
asciilifeform	high talent individuals go to silicon valley << world-renowned chumpatron. leaving aside the question of whether the folks there 'work' (in the sense of producing anything valuable) - they get sheared very properly, for much of what they make - at least the ones who wouldn't care to commute 4 hrs/day	[07:50]
kakobrekla	i was afraid so ascii.	[07:50]
decimation	yeah silicon valley is at least 2x worse than the DC area	[07:51]
decimation	no rational engineer would work there for less than $300k per year	[07:51]
decimation	but they make $100k	[07:51]
kanzure	kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area	[07:52]
asciilifeform	100k won't buy you a garret to starve in, there.	[07:52]
decimation	kanzure: how much do they make 15 years in?	[07:52]
kanzure	so anyone with an ounce of experience is making.. a lot more. :)	[07:52]
decimation	I bet not more than $150k	[07:52]
kanzure	well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more than 150	[07:52]
asciilifeform	incidentally, we are close to a useful definition of 'rich' - fellow is 'rich' if he can tell the man with the shears to go to hell, and make it stick.	[07:53]
kanzure	at minimum the metric is +$1k/month per year of experience	[07:53]
decimation	lol	[07:53]
kanzure	and that's underperforming	[07:54]
asciilifeform	engineer who has to pay $100k to live within range of his $150k employer, cannot be described even as 'well to do'	[07:54]
kanzure	here is the survey i did,	[07:54]
kanzure	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5802295	[07:54]
decimation	no, he's effectively a wage slave	[07:54]
kanzure	anyway, 15 years of experience can easily get 25-30k/mo	[07:55]
decimation	right. because your poll said so?	[07:55]
kanzure	experience	[07:55]
kanzure	the poll is only to help idiots calibrate that $90k is low-end of the scale	[07:56]
decimation	okay, let's pretend that 15 year veterans are all making $300k - when a reasonable home is $1 mil, they are still pretty poor	[07:57]
asciilifeform	kanzure: the poll (even if we assume that every answer was truthful and representative of something) isn't particularly useful, because it lumps in things which are quite unlike.	[07:57]
asciilifeform	300k vice president of widgets inc. is not a member of the same profession as his engineer.	[07:57]
kanzure	asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for the idiot calibration	[07:57]
kanzure	and sure, i was focusing on people who write software	[07:58]
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asciilifeform	wrote.	[07:58]
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kanzure	or at least.. pretend to.	[07:58]
kanzure		[07:58]
asciilifeform	300k is, afaik, always a case of 'wrote'	[07:58]
decimation	these same $300k vp's famously conspired to underpay said engineers	[07:58]
kanzure	i was not a "vp"	[07:58]
asciilifeform	except in the wonderful case described earlier, where a chumper pays $250k to live near 300k job	[07:58]
kanzure	good gigs tend to be clustered around anything that says 'individual contributor'	[08:00]
asciilifeform	engineers, typically, sit in 'gravity wells' - because so long as you are bound to some geographic location, even a very large one, the folks with the shears come out	[08:00]
asciilifeform	and slice off your disposable income	[08:00]
kanzure	huh? all of my work has been remote.	[08:01]
kanzure	i guess you could claim gravity is impacting speed of light constraints on my work, but wtf?	[08:01]
asciilifeform	kanzure: you're in mp's weight class, then.	[08:01]
kanzure	magic pony?	[08:02]
asciilifeform	i'm speaking of me fellow zeros, not heroes	[08:02]
kanzure	haha you are a zero?	[08:02]
kanzure	what sort of fucked up math are you using?	[08:02]
mikaeldice	So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange.	[08:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.08299776 = 1.079 BTC [-]	[08:03]
asciilifeform	i have to, after all, concede that folks who have escaped from gravity well, while i sit in, are more clever than i	[08:03]
asciilifeform	hard to think of a better 'iq test'	[08:03]
decimation	yeah, me too	[08:03]
chetty	mikaeldice, hahahaha	[08:04]
decimation	except, the case of those who immigrated to the US looking for escape...	[08:04]
asciilifeform	decimation: 20 yrs. ago it wasn't an obviously stupid thing to do	[08:04]
kanzure	the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people)	[08:05]
asciilifeform	kanzure: to eat?	[08:05]
decimation	kanzure, are you implying that one with suitable skills can easily make $300k without "knowing" the "right people"?	[08:05]
kanzure	hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work"	[08:06]
kanzure	and you don't have to know the right people in advance, but you do eventually have to meet someone	[08:06]
kanzure	at least one person (namely the person who would be paying you)	[08:06]
kanzure	also you have to be able to provide actual value. no coding an airplane into the ground.	[08:07]
asciilifeform	kanzure: if you're the kind of hero who can demand 300k without ever having to physically meet a client, attend a whatever board, deliver physical samples in person, etc - more power to you	[08:08]
asciilifeform	but i dare say that you (and mp?) may be alone in this weight class, among us	[08:08]
decimation	my "experience" is quite full of people who are apparently quite intelligent and are unable to demand such a rate	[08:09]
kanzure	alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up traveling for a week every few months.. it was trickery. :(	[08:09]
decimation	I guess I just don't see the offers on dice.com or whatever	[08:09]
asciilifeform	i've often had 'interesting' conversations with people to whom i suggested calculating their wage 'per hour of actual work'	[08:10]
kanzure	knowing even just a little bit of programming puts you beyond the hope of most job sites	[08:10]
kanzure	so, what people do instead is more like in-bound marketing	[08:10]
asciilifeform	with the latter defined by 'doing anything that you would not do if you didn't have to'	[08:10]
kanzure	where their open source projects, blogs, conference talks/videos, whatever, serves as a way of directing traffic to them	[08:10]
kanzure	and then they get picked up by the industrial whales or do contracting gigs	[08:10]
kanzure	naturally this ends up causing some weirdness.. some people focusing on just hadoop or whatever. which is weird. but you can see why it happens.	[08:11]
asciilifeform	i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long.	[08:11]
kanzure	oh, i'm not even talking about the people who started the projects	[08:12]
kanzure	not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more than a handful of things, you're already likely something that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate	[08:13]
kanzure	("did i mention that i cry myself to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?")	[08:13]
kanzure	*somewhere	[08:13]
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kanzure	now excuse me i must go cry over a shitty xml parser http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/p2pfoundation/dumpspot/pullparser.py	[08:14]
asciilifeform	kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made.	[08:14]
asciilifeform	(or, it is made - evenings/weekends.)	[08:15]
kanzure	it's more like.. finding companies with lots of money, and then solving their problems using what you know.	[08:16]
kanzure	and then selecting those companies more carefully so that the solutions happen to be things that wont bore you to death	[08:16]
decimation	there are many details missing here, but it seems to me that kanzure is basically saying that big gov't/corps are willing to pay $100x to get what they could otherwise pay $x to get	[08:16]
asciilifeform	i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory.	[08:17]
kanzure	so wait, your thesis is that all highly-paid individuals are getting screwed?	[08:17]
asciilifeform	decimation: the parsimonious hypothesis is much simpler - some people get access to what drips from the money printer pipeline by having the right friends	[08:17]
asciilifeform	or sucking the right cocks	[08:17]
decimation	yeah I agree	[08:17]
kanzure	is it possible that there are people that are getting paid relative to the value that they create?	[08:18]
asciilifeform	a much smaller set actually provides $maxint of value	[08:18]
asciilifeform	but they aren't 'employees' in any sense	[08:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 597 @ 0.00017301 = 0.1033 BTC [-]	[08:19]
kanzure	haha neobeeq	[08:19]
kanzure	is that faked?	[08:19]
decimation	I think it's true that a "web of trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns to do jobs for govt/corps	[08:19]
decimation	but I don't think that is a large population	[08:19]
decimation	and their pay is largely decided by their position on their wot	[08:20]
asciilifeform	decimation: this does appear to be the way it works, where i live.	[08:20]
decimation	note, that this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan	[08:21]
kanzure	http://pub5.di.fm/di_progressive_aac?type=.flv	[08:21]
decimation	at some point the harvard MBA is going to ask "Why are we paying this guy $300k when we could hire 20 Indians for the same?"	[08:22]
asciilifeform	decimation: why would he ask this question about his best friend?	[08:22]
kanzure	because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at the same itme	[08:23]
kanzure	*time	[08:23]
kanzure	(except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and they were actually very good)	[08:23]
decimation	he wouldn't of course; but when he retires the next young gun trying to cut the bottom line would	[08:23]
kanzure	and then they'd wonder why their site keeps getting hacked etc	[08:23]
asciilifeform	next guy - next set of parasites (in the original, roman sense of the word.)	[08:23]
kanzure	and why the product is 18 months behind	[08:24]
kanzure	"but we added 200 people!"	[08:24]
asciilifeform	kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month'	[08:24]
kanzure	actually, i haven't :)	[08:24]
kanzure	i just pretend that i have	[08:24]
asciilifeform	you just described 'living' it.	[08:24]
decimation	I would recommend it	[08:25]
kanzure	well, yes, but i stole it from the book	[08:25]
kanzure	yeah i know i should read it, i'm just terrible	[08:25]
decimation	kanzure I presume this is you: https://github.com/kanzure/	[08:26]
kanzure	yes	[08:26]
decimation	I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k	[08:26]
decimation	that's why I'm a zero I guess	[08:27]
kanzure	oh yeah, it's fucking awful	[08:27]
kanzure	definitely not high on my list of things i'm proud of	[08:27]
decimation	ascii if only some prince were willing to pay you develop your loper-os	[08:29]
asciilifeform	lol	[08:29]
kanzure	fuck that, i want my headset	[08:29]
kanzure	my saiyan viewfinder	[08:29]
kanzure	uh, scouter	[08:29]
truffles	time to level up to super	[08:30]
asciilifeform	'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) -	[08:30]
asciilifeform	one man's 300k is not the same as another's	[08:30]
kanzure	sure. i wouldn't be willing to go into an office for $150k.	[08:30]
asciilifeform	in the sense that if you have to live in a particular place, or worse, become a certain kind of person, to earn it, you are in fact very poor	[08:30]
truffles	0.0	[08:30]
asciilifeform	poorer than a beggar, in some cases	[08:31]
truffles	what kinda baller r u dood	[08:31]
truffles	150k id go in super early too ;D	[08:31]
kanzure	i smoke lines of code?	[08:31]
kanzure	it's not as great as you think	[08:31]
asciilifeform	likewise, one man's 300k may buy a palace (in costa rica), another's - a converted garage in palo alto	[08:31]
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truffles	sure is, id live for like 5yrs + on that	[08:31]
kanzure	US salaries are discussed in pre-tax terms	[08:32]
kanzure	(i know, it's stupid)	[08:32]
truffles	heh	[08:32]
asciilifeform	truffles: which is precisely why it is reserved for the folks who agreed to the conditions of indenture	[08:32]
asciilifeform	i.e. throwing most of the 300 directly to the vultures	[08:32]
asciilifeform	;;google FIRE economy	[08:33]
gribble	FIRE economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Official FIRE Economy site: ; FIRE Economy Definition \| Investopedia:	[08:33]
truffles	not that id sign up for a job of u know e.g. killing ppl	[08:33]
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truffles	but ppl sign up to join the military daily..	[08:33]
truffles	do they even make 30k?	[08:34]
kanzure	is that a threat	[08:34]
kanzure	they actually make out ok depending on whether or not they dump it all into a corvette	[08:34]
asciilifeform	signing bonus alone, last i checked, was close to 30k	[08:34]
asciilifeform	(scratch that - re-enlistment bonus)	[08:34]
decimation	in my experience the rich around the DC area are mostly military http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2013BHA/a/13bahwdepofDC.htm	[08:34]
decimation	27 year old with a wife gets $2800 tax-free per month	[08:35]
truffles	blackwater?	[08:35]
decimation	on top of free food and medical care	[08:35]
decimation	with the possibility of converting to a well-paid contract position upon 20 years of "service"	[08:35]
truffles	thought u had to be contracting to get decent money	[08:36]
asciilifeform	not sure in what sense a fellow who gets to not only do work which he doesn't necessarily feel like doing, but also get sent off as cannon fodder - can be thought of as 'rich'	[08:36]
MisterE	there are many reasons people join the military	[08:36]
MisterE	the most common is they have nothing else	[08:36]
asciilifeform	he's essentially a more physically-fit version of the palo alto programmer	[08:36]
MisterE	it's eithe rthat or the streets	[08:36]
truffles	sure u can have a pure heart going in	[08:37]
asciilifeform	does not own his arse.	[08:37]
MisterE	now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better	[08:37]
truffles	we're not discussing that	[08:37]
kanzure	why didn't DPR blackmail the fbi?	[08:37]
MisterE	contractors make more for sure	[08:37]
truffles	now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better>>> to join the US military?	[08:37]
decimation	the number who end up cannon fodder are very small	[08:37]
MisterE	yes	[08:37]
decimation	us military are mustly bureaucrats with coordianted clothing	[08:38]
truffles	u srs dood	[08:38]
truffles	arent they downsizing	[08:38]
MisterE	heh you seen their budget? is it downsizing?	[08:38]
truffles	i believe it will be	[08:38]
MisterE	US can not afford to downsize the military industrial comples jobs program	[08:38]
MisterE	instant recession	[08:38]
MisterE	complex*	[08:38]
decimation	not to mention it employs most of the scant 300k electrical engineers total in the us	[08:39]
truffles	guess we will see in the coming years	[08:39]
asciilifeform	growing mil budget does not necessarily translate to more pig slots at the trough.	[08:39]
MisterE	can barely stop QE without blood all over the floor it's a shaky house of cards	[08:39]
MisterE	$500 hammers :0	[08:40]
decimation	http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140304/NEWS05/303040021/2015-budget-released-How-cuts-affect-pay-BAH-per-diem-Tricare	[08:40]
ozbot	2015 budget released: How the cuts affect pay, BAH, per diem and Tricare \| Military Times \| military	[08:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+]	[08:40]
decimation	"The Pentagon is also mounting a new attempt to cut travel costs. Specifically, that effort will reduce per diem rates for troops on extended travel. It will also eliminate reimbursements for laundry services, bottled water and other ?incidental? expenses. Officials could not immediately provide details of the new per diem rates."	[08:40]
decimation	sounds like serious cuts	[08:40]
MisterE	this is only a proposed budget	[08:40]
asciilifeform	everyone loves the $500 hammer. but how many people who laugh at the hammer have ever built a one-off prototype of anything?	[08:40]
MisterE	by the time congress hacks it up military spending will increase	[08:41]
asciilifeform	what do you suppose it would cost to build your pc by hand, in a quantity of five?	[08:41]
asciilifeform	assume you don't have to fabricate the ICs - only mount them.	[08:41]
truffles	yea seems clear that downsizing is imminent	[08:41]
decimation	assuming you lack a competent technician, it would probably be $1000's	[08:42]
MisterE	we shall see	[08:42]
MisterE	history is not on the side of downsizing	[08:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: add a zero or two.	[08:42]
MisterE	one trumped up conflict between now and passing of a budget and that is all out the window	[08:42]
truffles	one of u painted vets as having a rosy time of it, not the reality for most afaik	[08:42]
decimation	for something complex or fancy, sure	[08:43]
MisterE	vets are really screwed now	[08:43]
MisterE	for many of the same reasons they go into the military they are screwed when they come out	[08:43]
MisterE	unless they can work for a private contractor	[08:43]
asciilifeform	the military folks aren't only being paid in money	[08:45]
asciilifeform	there are intangibles. quite a few people would - pay - to fight in a war.	[08:45]
truffles	0.0	[08:45]
decimation	this used to be the custom, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_of_commissions_in_the_British_army	[08:46]
MisterE	yea GI Bill (too bad an education is worth so much less now) and the home loan are good	[08:46]
truffles	id sign up to fight in a zombie apocalypse situation for sure	[08:46]
MisterE	healthcare is so-so if you're not messed up too bad	[08:46]
MisterE	aww hell yea!	[08:46]
truffles	not if its fast zombs though	[08:46]
MisterE	truffles: I would just request a flame thrower	[08:46]
MisterE	no only the slow lumbering ones	[08:46]
asciilifeform	'fast zombies' - analogous to 'fast neutrons' ?	[08:47]
MisterE	with the retarded lurch	[08:47]
MisterE	best thing about the GI bill is they can let their kids use it	[08:47]
MisterE	few soldiers come off the front lines fit to enter college	[08:48]
truffles	society*	[08:48]
MisterE	not that they were fit for college before enlisting	[08:48]
MisterE	^	[08:48]
MisterE	for being socially aware and having great control over our environment we are a pretty rotten bunch of animals	[08:49]
MisterE	considering how we treat each other	[08:49]
truffles	when parasites are in charge its expected ldo	[08:50]
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mircea_popescu	kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area <<< sure. but the 10 year veteran is not making 5-10mn.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	which is the problem.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. << which guy ?	[09:02]
mikaeldice	mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=558966.0	[09:03]
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kakobrekla	wtf nonsense.	[09:04]
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decimation	Mr. Fasbit is very proud that you can be short as well as long	[09:09]
decimation	that's apparently a special feature of his "exchange"	[09:09]
mircea_popescu	lol ok anonforum guy	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=72	[09:11]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[09:11]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, i suspect the earlier lengthy discussion about money conflates two different uses of the thing.	[09:13]
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mircea_popescu	money can be sustenance or control.	[09:13]
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mircea_popescu	people who aren't in the business of control (such as engineers, say) wouldn't -logically- be paid enough money to go into 2nd category.	[09:13]
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mircea_popescu	they'd be paid enough to support themselves.	[09:13]
mircea_popescu	in this sense the rate-control agreement of the employers in sv is quite rational and in effect socially beneficial	[09:14]
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decimation	I agree it is rational from their perspective. And clearly, there are loads of engineers and "engineers" who are ready to signup	[09:14]
mircea_popescu	if you overpay them the bezzle-usd just runs into inflation.	[09:15]
mircea_popescu	suppose tomorrow the agreement was that no engineer working in sv is paid under 350mn dollars a year.	[09:16]
decimation	except as I pointed out awhile ago, there are only 300k EE's in the us total	[09:16]
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mircea_popescu	what other effects would you expect, except for rents being in the 20mn a month range ?	[09:16]
decimation	well, this is why rents in sv are already astronomical	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	yes, this is true. but they are not managers, they're not the sort of people who play the resource allocation game. thus they have no business handling money as a % of total supply.	[09:16]
mircea_popescu	they only get sustenance money.	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	there's two kinds of money see ? money-%, like btc. that's the money used by the people who allocate resources.	[09:17]
decimation	except, old republicans would point out that the managers used to not consider themselves worth of % of total business money	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	there's also money-flat, like what most people thing of "dollars". these are used to buy groceries with.	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	that may be.	[09:17]
truffles	2 kinds of money like bills and coins?	[09:17]
mircea_popescu	resources still have to be allocated, somehow, by someone/thign.	[09:17]
truffles	prob mean 2 kinds of uses*	[09:18]
decimation	this whole "the ceo should get 1% of the business" deal is something that happened in the 80's with the increasing bezzle	[09:18]
decimation	greater bezzle leads to lesser bezzle	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	decimation looky : there are two types of questions before mankind. one type reduces to what ? the other type reduces to how ?	[09:18]
mircea_popescu	the people answering how-questions don't need (or want) the tools used by the people answering what-questions.	[09:19]
decimation	except there are also who? whom? questions	[09:19]
truffles	why when	[09:19]
decimation	I don't deny that allocating resources is hard work worthy of pay	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	who is what.	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of "worthy" see ?	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	it'll have to be done, and so it will be done.	[09:20]
mircea_popescu	and it's not harder than any other. if all we have are shitty engineers, are htey not worthy or less worthy of pay ?	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	you rule compared to roman engineers 2 millenia ago, and suck compared to derpistan engineers of 4015	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	what's that matter.	[09:21]
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decimation	right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible	[09:22]
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mircea_popescu	right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible << yes, tis true, but also somewhat unrelated to the issue of engineer pay.	[09:26]
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mircea_popescu	in a sense, if one finds himself bored in the laser lab and looking at the stars, one should switch from solid state to large body physics	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	rather than try and make the laser shoot stars.	[09:26]
mircea_popescu	i personally think a grown man should possess a working knowledge of both fields, at least enough to make him conversant in either.	[09:27]
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decimation	in the us it is very difficult to find these 'captains of industry' who are leading the exploitation. management talent is lacking more severely than engineering talent	[09:28]
mircea_popescu	absolutely.	[09:28]
decimation	this probably causes most engineers to have contempt for those over them	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	competent managers are always in short supply. engineers used to be, but 500 years of systematic how-to-twerk videos have managed to squeeze an astonishing amount of butt out of the ass.	[09:29]
mircea_popescu	management doesn't yeild as well to the scientific method, sadly, and spitefully.	[09:30]
decimation	yes, this is true, and thus most managers are simply born	[09:30]
mircea_popescu	maybe	[09:30]
decimation	or, were born with the predeliction to seek out experience to learn the 'trade'	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	or something.	[09:31]
truffles	nepotism is a great trade	[09:31]
bocobit	how do you guys feel about the private mission to mars	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	doubtful.	[09:32]
bocobit	would you sign up knowing its a one way trip?	[09:32]
truffles	if i were a con sure	[09:32]
decimation	what would such a mission be expected to yeild? knowledge?	[09:32]
chetty	bocobit, yup	[09:32]
decimation	what could be gained by sending humans than cannot be gained from robots?	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	decimation lawsuits.	[09:32]
bocobit	who was the four man on the moon?	[09:32]
bocobit	fourth*	[09:32]
truffles	dont think they have advance enough robots out decimation	[09:33]
mircea_popescu	i have some popcorn prepared for the opinions in the first wrongful death suit connected to private marsd exploration	[09:33]
decimation	well, then perhaps the right managers can allocate resources to build the advanced enough robots	[09:33]
bocobit	i'd do it if I was the first to walk	[09:33]
decimation	except, it isn't profitable	[09:33]
decimation	so that's dumb	[09:33]
bocobit	what else is there in life?	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	maybe it can be financed through a forum ipo	[09:34]
mircea_popescu	in which case the profit is not the point.	[09:34]
decimation	maybe elon will help http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/178389-spacex-prepares-to-take-the-biggest-step-towards-affordable-space-travel-soft-landing-the-falcon-9-rocket	[09:36]
truffles	what else is there in life?>>> gambling	[09:36]
bocobit	I hear SD is even better on the martian surface	[09:37]
truffles	so they cant test it out with chimps 1st least it becomes planet of the apes ..	[09:37]
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bocobit	MP, I read that article you posted "Why I don't hire brilliant men"	[09:40]
truffles	sounds like something a lesser man writes :D	[09:41]
mircea_popescu	didja like it ?	[09:41]
bocobit	ya man I've been thinking about it the last week	[09:41]
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bocobit	there are a lot of parallels with all the new start ups in bitcoin world	[09:42]
mircea_popescu	it's usually given as a textbook example of anti-intelectualism in the us.	[09:42]
truffles	http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html hmm	[09:42]
ozbot	From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men \| TaoYue.com	[09:42]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the day is young. see you later all.	[09:43]
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mircea_popescu	keonne and who might you be ?	[16:16]
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bounce	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10739872/Russians-petition-for-return-of-Alaska.html	[16:18]
ozbot	Russians petition for return of Alaska - Telegraph	[16:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:19]
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keonne	hi mircea_popescu	[16:31]
keonne	i am keonne	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	ello	[16:31]
keonne	that is my name	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	abdul keonne ?	[16:31]
keonne	well abdul is/was my handle for years on irc	[16:32]
keonne	usually on gnaa or somewhere else nefarious	[16:32]
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keonne	but i tweeted you yesterday about btc shop	[16:32]
keonne	and i did mention i would lurk in here now	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[16:32]
keonne	so just making good on my twitter promises i suppose	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	so welcome.	[16:33]
keonne	thank you	[16:33]
bounce	re earlier topic, I rather think plenty poor management gets to hang on and management in general is overvalued because we don't know how to properly value management, or even properly evaluate management outcomes, for that matter.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	bounce one aspect of it's pesky tendency not to lend itself to the scientific method well	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	its*	[16:34]
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bounce	not directly, no. there's ways, though.	[16:34]
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mircea_popescu	maybe.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	just like the deceitful whore doesn't lend herself to marriage,	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	but "there are ways".	[16:37]
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bounce	actually, more like the other way around: management fundamentally deals with people so scientific method has a hard time with it, but moreover too many in management don't even try	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	well that's also true.	[16:37]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, brb cause im writing an article then we can beat it more.	[16:38]
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peterl	is Havelock SMG convertible to actual shares of S.MG?	[16:50]
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peterl	aha, to answer my own question, yes, but it costs 1 btc per transfer ... I don't think there is enough volume to make arbitrage worthwhile	[16:52]
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Apocalyptic	truffles, btw you're on the permaban list of -otc since August 24th, what did you do ?	[16:57]
truffles	called a mod a pussy or something	[16:57]
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Apocalyptic	lol	[16:57]
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truffles	he was crying about how he has to be on the phone forever etc	[16:58]
truffles	i was like maybe u should really commit to bitcoin	[16:58]
truffles	he got defensive	[16:58]
truffles	i forget the rest	[16:58]
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Apocalyptic	looks like it was coingenuity	[16:59]
truffles	that douche	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/lets-try-and-understand-this-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity-thing/	[17:30]
ozbot	Let’s try and understand this “no such thing as bad publicity” thing. pe Trilema - Un blog de	[17:30]
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keonne	superfluous 'a' in the second paragraph after 'inept'	[17:34]
truffles	pretty sure there's more n migtve missed :D	[17:35]
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keonne	yeah it doesnt bother me, just figured extra proofreaders wouldnt hurt :)	[17:36]
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truffles	its prob a mindfield of them though	[17:37]
truffles	so if u start with that 1 heh	[17:37]
keonne	lol	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	keonne actually before very :D	[17:38]
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mircea_popescu	fixt ty.	[17:38]
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keonne	ok work finished - au revoir!	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	now i can finally get to the best part of my day,	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	reading teh logs here.	[17:39]
truffles	rly?	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	truffles dun worry, nobody's monitoring you.	[17:41]
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truffles	im special !	[17:41]
everclear	mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6095533#msg6095533	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	everclear what's that ?	[17:42]
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everclear	Mentality of your critics	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it's a bizarre collection, that forum.	[17:43]
truffles	oh i didnt know extradition was an option hmm	[17:43]
everclear	:)	[17:43]
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mircea_popescu	truffles it's good you have the internet, because you can thus acquire even more parts you don't understand to build even larger the pile of dysfunctional junk that is your brain.	[17:44]
truffles	internet, i know its the best thing ever	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves thestringpuller http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/	[17:45]
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truffles	"This man is clearly a bit unhinged. He has no sense of objective reality" hehe	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	who, putin ?	[17:47]
truffles	no silly u	[17:47]
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mircea_popescu	but the leaders of the sheeple bleating this nonsense on the forum said the same thing about the man that spanked them.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	i guess they in the end deserve each other.	[17:47]
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chetty	is that forum page a guy talking to himself? sure sounds like it	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	when forumanon says of mp what obama&co say of putin, we know we're living in the best of possible worlds.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	chetty the irony here is that whether he is actually physically distinct from the next derp or not makes little difference. stupidity is quite fungible.	[17:49]
chetty	ah - hahahaha	[17:49]
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mircea_popescu	jurov lol seriously, random guy out of nowhere "has made teh policez" ? how very meek of him :D	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	punkman are you like on a special list or something ? where do you find all this stuff ?	[17:50]
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truffles	the US "gave" the internet to the world so will it be as easy to seize domains?	[17:51]
chetty	I want to know why someone would want to 'win points with us regulators', but I won't dirty my hands actually posting on that	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell moiety localbitcoins had some technology-enthusiastic policemen pull some "sting operations", which were kinda lulzy in their braindead stupidity but probably spelled out actual financial and emotional pain for the unfortunate parties to get involved in the bureaucracy's quest to justify its continued existence. i imagine it's gone as a result.	[17:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:52]
truffles	gotta let them wet their beaks	[17:52]
punkman	mircea_popescu: i have these episodes every couple of days, I see URLs in my epileptic visions	[17:52]
punkman	how about these dudes, http://www.greenbankcapitalinc.com/	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	punkman you're the most gifted person i know.	[17:53]
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punkman	also I think this is topace, http://weirdly.net/resume.php amirite topace?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	"The CEO of GreenBank has over 40 years experience investing in small caps"	[17:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc	[17:55]
ozbot	Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	kinda lulzy.	[17:55]
punkman	yeah mining that gold	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	QUOTE: "This is why the term "fictitious profits", definitely applies.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc?postid=21688488	[17:55]
ozbot	Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C	[17:55]
punkman	they got like 5 of those	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	hard to call, really, because the minerals exploration business (as discussed previously here) is kinda builty to work like this and there do exist occasional legitimate corps that get the brush treatment anyway	[17:56]
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mircea_popescu	still... i wouldn't trust the guy just on the grounds he exists.	[17:56]
truffles	punkman but where'd he go to skool!	[17:56]
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mircea_popescu	punkman incidentally, why not make yourself a career out of this ?	[17:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you've the time, would be interesting to hear more re: the fate of the engineers.	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform shoot ?	[17:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607219	[17:58]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	i'm just here waiting for people to type, not busy in any sense not able to go anywhere, life of dreamz.	[17:58]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I do some paid work collecting data, research, etc	[17:58]
truffles	confined to the home already mp	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	punkman srsly, make a blog, write up one of these a day, each day, for a year.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	if by that year you're not fucking thankful you started, you may negrate me in all fairness.	[17:58]
truffles	this is one pleasing to the eye resume for sure	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	increasing the engineer's pay does not increase the number of turkeys.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	it does however stress the distribution of turkeys, if nothing else then because new price tags keep having to be printed.	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00098756 = 11.0113 BTC [+]	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	tis all.	[17:59]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they way i understood it, the sv folks aren't actually paying engineers in particular. they're paying the real estate industry to (inefficiently) house them.	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	a valid approach, yes.	[18:00]
asciilifeform	because they, for some odd reason, demand a ridiculous geographic concentration of engineers	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	efficiency is a COO not a CFO job. in other words, you don't reduce it financially	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	(you may at most increase it, but only somewhat)	[18:00]
asciilifeform	they might perhaps be better off 'vertically integrating' the housing bit	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	s/efficiency/inefficiency	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	well that's where they're headed.	[18:01]
asciilifeform	like chinese dormitories.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	yoiu have to consider the history : only very recently have tech companies become "Respectable"	[18:01]
asciilifeform	the most frustrating part is the folly of the engineers, who salivate after the '$300k sv job'	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	buffett still does not invest in them because, politely, "he doesn't understand them", but factually "not in his wot"	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why ? the 16 yo should salivate after the cock.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	as if the money is actually their own, and not simply put in their hands for a few minutes to salivate over.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	what else in this world is there for her to salivate for ?	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	so anyway : only recently has tech become respectable, and as such it couldn't historically afford the huge bezzle-usd load of owning real estate outright.	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	it's getting there, and soon sv will be in fact chinese dormitory style.	[18:03]
asciilifeform	much of what the chumpers 'buying' houses in usa are paying for could be had for considerably smaller cost - e.g. physical security, caste isolation, etc.	[18:04]
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asciilifeform	if it were vertically integrated	[18:04]
asciilifeform	as in 19th c. 'company town'	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	sure. to take things from yet another angle : you're familiar with greenspun's analysis of why women don't go into science.	[18:05]
asciilifeform	certainly. (i did link it here once)	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	the same shall soon apply to tech, we're witnessing a "professorisation" and "tenurisation" of tech.	[18:05]
chetty	asciilifeform, but but we must have diversity	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	soon it's going to cost you money to be "working for google"	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	for the same reason most girls with great fuck videos PAY to participate.	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	they can then use those on the stripper and prostitution circuits as extras "cause we're pornstars"	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	much in the manner hearn is using his "i was at google" thing.	[18:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: there's a kind of phase transition ahead, when it begins to cost more to 'work for google' than... it pays	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	which is the deep reason for the http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/	[18:06]
asciilifeform	where is the fool supposed to unearth the difference	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	hopefully he has rich parents.	[18:07]
asciilifeform	lol	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	but if not, there's always credit.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	you remember my story with the jewish money lender taking a painting and other payment in kind for debt ?	[18:07]
asciilifeform	oh yes	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	so : the bezzle fundamentally is born out of and exists for the following reason :	[18:08]
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mircea_popescu	while your ability to pay is finite, you being finite, your ability to underwrite credit is not finite.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	the difference between these two is, obviously... your painting.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	there's a very good fundamental reason to extend credit you know will never be repaid.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	i did it myself, and quite publicly at that. remember the patrick harnett case ?	[18:09]
asciilifeform	this is, arguably, the oldest form of credit?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	his asshole was the point going in.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[18:09]
asciilifeform	mr. dirt digger's horse dies. his neighbour lends him horse. 'now pay 1/4 of your crop, forever'	[18:09]
BrockH	MY HORSE!?!	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	now, when people such as me say the us agencies will have to learn to play ball or not exist,	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	people like me refer to a very specific thing.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	of course, there's a flip side to playing this game. eventually mr. dirt invents dekulakization.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	the us has borrowed past what it can repay.	[18:10]
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mircea_popescu	let me explain something about this dekulakization concept.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with buffett pretending taxes "at the top" aren't high enough, and with gates donating his fortune to "good causes" and so on ?	[18:12]
asciilifeform	technical term, i believe, is 'conspicuous benevolence'	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[18:12]
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mircea_popescu	buffett structures the hell out of his deals to avoid taxation.	[18:12]
asciilifeform	game theoretically 'dishonest signal'	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	however, there exists a center of people who can't afford good tax shelters, and who could, if left undisturbed, come to one day challenge him.	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	see, the fact that i made the fu berkshire bet and the fact i pay about 2.85% a year on average are related.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	i can accumulate. the average middle class guy in the chumpatron, can not.	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	buffett merely aims to keep it this way : high taxes means jack shit to him	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	other than "stansislav won't be the next buffett"	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	that he likes.	[18:13]
asciilifeform	lul	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	now, dekulakization is EXACTLY the same.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it doth not hurt the rich	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it hurts the average who could in principle one day hurt the rich.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it's a middle pruning control strategy, the exact equiv of raising taxes "for social good"	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	sure, a tree with no middle one day collapses. but until such a day...	[18:15]
asciilifeform	can't see how anyone who ever so much as set foot in the u.s. could disagree here.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	so that'd be that.	[18:15]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2014#604120 << dexX7 but i never got the same address from brainwallet as was actually used	[18:15]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[18:15]
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dexX7	hm let me test it	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and this actually comes to the core of the ideological opposition here. i simply do not like this "no middle" burned ground crap.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	first off who the fuck is threatened by smart young people ?! and second off... jesus fuck i've seen their lives and their dens, they're boring and dismal.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	i dunno who the fuck could bear to live there, that way.	[18:17]
dexX7	jurov: works actually	[18:17]
asciilifeform	speaking of dekulakization: has anyone considered the 'partizans' hypothesis re: the dead JPM folks?	[18:17]
bounce	"hold on to what you got"-reflex?	[18:17]
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bounce	it takes real guts to just let be in such a situation	[18:18]
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dexX7	jurov: in case you are looking for a general "get addr from msg+sig" you may take a look at: https://github.com/dexX7/mastercoin-faucet/blob/master/inc/verifymessage.php#L58	[18:20]
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jurov	ok if it works, ima find/make py equivalent	[18:27]
topace	punkman: no, you are not right. its widely known what my name is	[18:28]
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jurov	anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately	[18:30]
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dexX7	true. and especially with brainwallet.org there were significant problems	[18:34]
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dexX7	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/	[18:35]
ozbot	Contact and Credentials \| Bingo Blog	[18:35]
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mircea_popescu	a final curlique on the dekulakization topic. asciilifeform you familiar with how socrates died ?	[18:40]
jurov	BingoBoingo signed messages should be protected as much as possible from mucking by blogging software	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov> anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately <<< this, very much so.	[18:40]
jurov	if it can't do just add there .txt to download	[18:41]
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dexX7	yea, i'm not sure what the issue was, but brainwallet somehow had a problem with a special character in the message	[18:42]
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bounce	anything non-ascii is easily a problem. which is endless fun since various utf-8-ised s/w likes to insert fancy replacements for basic things like apostrophes that then get mangled in interesting ways in transit	[18:46]
bounce	s/since/even in english &/	[18:46]
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dexX7	yea true. but you need to differentiate between the underlying "signing of some binary data" and an application on top which is used by humans. the later one would benefit from ascii only + some delimiter etc.	[18:50]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: socrates - sure	[18:58]
asciilifeform	who isn't	[18:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.20765824 BTC to 5`373 shares, 41088 satoshi per share	[18:59]
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robwhiz22	Good afternoon.	[19:06]
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keonne	If this weren’t the case you’d have probably seen good numbers of fourteen year old pasty ass boys from Ohio and Connecticut running away from home to “become Cowboys!!!” only to end up the cum rag of some hobo or other.	[19:15]
keonne	i think i love you mircea_popescu mircea_popescu	[19:15]
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keonne	thats a very good piece (http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope)	[19:17]
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bounce	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/04/chinas_bitcoin_exchanges_begin_pulling_down_the_shutters/ -- ``The FXBTC exchange has posted a notice saying that it received the instruction by telephone [...]'' just call up, say you're PBOC, and tell'em to shed customers. done!	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do tell.	[19:22]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as described in 'dialogues' ?	[19:23]
asciilifeform	am i missing something?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	i dunno dood, as you know the story, tell it to me.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	keonne :p	[19:24]
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asciilifeform	'corrupting the youth', hemlock/exile, hemlock, 'give a chicken for asclepius for me', 'drink this & walk around a bit', croaks	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	you don't like telling stories do you ?	[19:24]
asciilifeform	damn i'm no good at this 'crib sheet' business	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, yes, but an alternative retelling would be something like this :	[19:25]
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mircea_popescu	socrates spent his life empowering the youth with the tools of the mind. once htey came of age that youth turned around and took over the city, ie, the world.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	then they proceeded to implement their very own, context-adequate version of taxation/dekulakization : they ordered the citizenry to commit murders	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	so that nobody could safely extricate himself from their lot.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	the outrage was eventually their undoing, they were banished, socrates was identified as the guilty party, one removed.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	dekulakization is nothing novel.	[19:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03410999 = 0.3411 BTC [-] {3}	[19:27]
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mircea_popescu	in this perspective, socrates is rightfully indifferent to any hemlock.	[19:28]
keonne	Your credits for paid content isn't counting down properly	[19:28]
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mircea_popescu	keonne that's a very bad bug report.	[19:28]
keonne	but I purchased my 10000 credits anyway	[19:28]
keonne	yes it was, mostly because i wasnt aiming to file a bug, rather, alert you that you should fix your shit	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	...	[19:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10256 @ 0.00098614 = 10.1139 BTC [-]	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	in other news, your wife is cheating on you.	[19:29]
keonne	lol	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03360003 = 0.504 BTC [-] {3}	[19:30]
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keonne	I appreciated that feedback though - as it is clear you arent trying to get as much out of me as you can to make your product better	[19:30]
keonne	i was pretty successful slinging dope anyway	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	lol no but seriously, what am i fixing and how's it broken.	[19:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4661 @ 0.00098415 = 4.5871 BTC [-]	[19:32]
keonne	okay - I've read more than 5 articles today, however the counter says I have four articles remaining. Now about my browser config, cookies are set to destruct after tab close and javascript doesn't run unless I authorize it	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	you get 5 free each week, and 4 extras permanently.	[19:33]
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robwhiz22	Hello, Mirceau.	[19:33]
robwhiz22	You wrote me: "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode. Both me	[19:33]
robwhiz22	and the chief engineer idle there."	[19:33]
keonne	Then my reading comprehension sucks	[19:33]
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keonne	is what we learned	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	there's no javascript involved in any sense.	[19:33]
robwhiz22	May I write to you on private message?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	robwhiz22 please don't.	[19:33]
keonne	Im assuming ill have to whitelist trilema to not self destruct cookies to keep my credit session alive without having to log in every time	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	you wouldn't want either to rob yourself of the collective wisdom of this space, nor to rob the history of same of your valuable contributions	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	keonne that's entirely up to you :)	[19:34]
keonne	voila - thanks for quick processing	[19:35]
keonne	come on robwhiz22 i'm waiting in anticipation here	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	every customer either raped or satisfied within one hour.	[19:35]
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keonne	hah	[19:36]
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robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, I submitted a specific, private, proposal to you last week.	[19:37]
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robwhiz22	mircea_popescu, and would appreciate a response to it.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	lol!	[19:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00098415 = 8.2177 BTC [-]	[19:47]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, the commanding officer of the romanian special forum-extraditions-and-other-lulz unit invited me to his daughter's bar mitzvah unexpectedly.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	so catch y'all later	[19:50]
keonne	bat	[19:51]
keonne	bar for boys	[19:51]
keonne	have fun	[19:51]
keonne	lol	[19:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-]	[19:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2611 @ 0.00023732 = 0.6196 BTC [-] {9}	[20:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10863 @ 0.00098186 = 10.6659 BTC [-] {4}	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.049 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2}	[20:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03251428 = 0.2276 BTC [-] {2}	[20:24]
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benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014&bots=true#607772 ??	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00016491 = 0.2968 BTC [+] {5}	[20:25]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 450 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3998 BTC [+] {3}	[20:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088843 = 0.2221 BTC [+]	[20:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5287 @ 0.00097926 = 5.1773 BTC [-]	[20:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2}	[20:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0002792 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5}	[20:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03185 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {2}	[20:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0310625 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {3}	[20:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [-]	[21:05]
jurov	i'd say mp is trollin	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[21:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00098415 = 12.1543 BTC [+]	[21:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]	[21:13]
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benkay	reputation/publicity/money	[21:25]
benkay	oen cannot create money	[21:26]
benkay	one can only build a reputation over time	[21:26]
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chairman_meow	!jd	[21:26]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 15357 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 986.73 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered	[21:26]
chairman_meow	!help	[21:26]
assbot	List of commands:	[21:26]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[21:26]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[21:26]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[21:26]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[21:26]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[21:26]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[21:26]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[21:26]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[21:26]
thestringpuller	is benkay still here?	[21:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.02755619 = 1.0196 BTC [-] {9}	[21:28]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[21:34]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 457.74, Best ask: 460.46, Bid-ask spread: 2.72000, Last trade: 460.57, 24 hour volume: 6286.91152494, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 457.170183167	[21:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]	[21:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.049032 = 0.2452 BTC [-] {4}	[21:37]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[21:47]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096086 / 0.00097429 / 0.0009904 (493769 shares, 481.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095284 / 0.0009904 (6446783 shares, 6,142.79 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00089172 / 0.0009904 (28076230 shares, 25,036.18 BTC)	[21:47]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.bbet	[21:47]
assbot	[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00049074 / 0.00059 (12152 shares, 5.96 BTC)	[21:47]
thestringpuller	;;calc 4248 * 0.00056000	[21:49]
gribble	2.37888	[21:49]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.2 * 0.00056000	[21:50]
gribble	0.000112	[21:50]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.2 / 0.00056000	[21:50]
gribble	357.142857143	[21:50]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.5 / 0.00056000	[21:50]
gribble	892.857142857	[21:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028681 = 0.2868 BTC [+] {2}	[21:52]
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thestringpuller	;;calc 800 * 0.00000146	[22:01]
gribble	0.001168	[22:01]
thestringpuller	;;calc 2000 * 0.00000146	[22:01]
gribble	0.00292	[22:01]
thestringpuller	;;calc 5000 * 0.00000146	[22:01]
gribble	0.0073	[22:01]
thestringpuller	;;calc 6000 * 0.00000146	[22:01]
gribble	0.00876	[22:01]
thestringpuller	;;calc 10000 * 0.00000146	[22:01]
gribble	0.0146	[22:01]
thestringpuller	;;calc 20000 * 0.00000146	[22:02]
gribble	0.0292	[22:02]
thestringpuller	;;calc 172 / 1000000000	[22:05]
gribble	1.72e-07	[22:05]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.000000172	[22:05]
gribble	1.72e-07	[22:05]
thestringpuller	;;calc 900 / 1000000000	[22:06]
gribble	9e-07	[22:06]
thestringpuller	;;calc 900 / 1000000000	[22:07]
gribble	9e-07	[22:07]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.00000090	[22:07]
gribble	9e-07	[22:07]
thestringpuller	;;calc 68 / 1000000000	[22:07]
gribble	6.8e-08	[22:07]
thestringpuller	;;calc 0.00000034 * 50	[22:08]
gribble	1.7e-05	[22:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.02649356 = 1.1127 BTC [-] {15}	[22:08]
thestringpuller	i totally thought this was pm with bot since it's so dead @_@ my bad ya'll	[22:09]
benkay	hey thestringpuller	[22:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04800003 = 0.144 BTC [+] {2}	[22:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.02705216 = 0.6222 BTC [+] {4}	[22:16]
thestringpuller	hey benkay	[22:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.02583002 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {3}	[22:19]
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benkay	yo yo yo	[22:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00028681 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	ahh that wasnt so bad.	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	keonne that was part of the joke see.	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03121428 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {2}	[22:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00097916 = 4.5041 BTC [-] {2}	[22:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 342 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3038 BTC [+]	[22:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00016572 = 0.1019 BTC [-]	[22:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04720003 = 0.1416 BTC [-]	[22:33]
chairman_meow	!jd	[22:33]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 15362 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 987.08 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered	[22:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03126 = 0.1876 BTC [+]	[22:34]
chairman_meow	what do you think of just-dice?	[22:34]
thestringpuller	better than satoshi dice lol	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	doog's okay, site's backed by a good idea, tracking under ev for a while and maybe slacking a little in volume lately.	[22:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3000 @ 0.00029137 = 0.8741 BTC [+] {5}	[22:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.00088844 = 0.1617 BTC [+]	[22:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04638333 = 0.2783 BTC [-] {5}	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1761 @ 0.00016573 = 0.2919 BTC [+]	[22:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03131666 = 0.3758 BTC [+] {2}	[22:40]
decimation	mircea_popescu: dekulakization is nothing novel. << moldbug points out that FDR had the same motivations http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2010/03/true-election-practical-option-for-real.html	[22:41]
decimation	"Nor was FDR, as commonly asserted, a "traitor to his class" - anything but it. FDR's beliefs, or at least his speeches (in one so seldom praised for candor, the inference of any actual conviction is at best an exercise of imagination) can indeed be studied as almost perfect reflections of the intellectual fashions of America's apex upper class, the socialite-socialist aristocracy. These fashions have changed somewhat since 1933, but not that	[22:41]
decimation	much."	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 350 @ 0.0002998 = 0.1049 BTC [+]	[22:43]
decimation	one can sympathize with the impulse of the rich and powerful to keep the middle down, if only so that they are the only yacht-owners in the harbor	[22:44]
bounce	"'merkin crusty upper crust is crusty", or what?	[22:44]
bounce	shades of pterry's small gods. get unlimited power, spend it on garden gnomes.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	i srsly dun see it.	[22:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16418 @ 0.00097883 = 16.0704 BTC [-] {2}	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05450001 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {2}	[22:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1364 @ 0.0002998 = 0.4089 BTC [+]	[22:49]
bounce	oh probably differen title, actualy. mort, I think.	[22:49]
bounce	it's a matter of attitude. why even bother spend any effort, money, whatever, on keeping the (not that uncultured part of the) plebs down? so many other things you could do with your wealth and power. what do you value? well, those values apparently aren't that highfalutin', after all.	[22:51]
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bounce	to some it's not merely necessary to win, but for others to lose. turn a non-zero-sum game into a zero-sum game, why don't you.	[22:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00098057 = 8.3839 BTC [+] {2}	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	bounce that's only half of it. suppose you have a daughter. who's she to marry ?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	suppose your wife cheats. who's she gonna cheat with ?	[22:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0545 = 0.2725 BTC [-]	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	suppose you wanna go fucking watch a ball game or actually, strike that	[22:54]
thestringpuller	jurov: deposits	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	suppose you'd rather do something else with your free time than having to write fucking books because everyone else is too retarded to write the books on their own and they just flock to the fucking gamew instead	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.01242001 = 0.1242 BTC [-] {2}	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1086 @ 0.000325 = 0.353 BTC [+] {3}	[22:55]
bounce	gamification ftw	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	i can't even begin to imagine anyone'd actually want to be stuck having to do everything by hand because well nobody else does because nobody else can because they fucked it all up.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	sounds fucking aeschil-esque, this shit.	[22:57]
thestringpuller	the people who can't write books shouldn't write books...	[22:57]
punkman	aeschylesque?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	anyway, whenbever that idiocy breaks down you get a renaissance, it's uncanny.	[22:59]
bounce	what? you're rich and powerful. you could hire a competent writer, or ten, and only keep the best one or two books	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	people' fucking irrational fear of people being ironically the most notable obstacle for those same people.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	bounce why should i hire them at all. why aren't they hiring me.	[23:00]
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bounce	whatever you think important, eh.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	no but did da pope hire da vinci or did da vinci hire the pope	[23:07]
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decimation	da vinci was in the pope's wot	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	partly because the pope was quite inefficient at either taxing or dekulakizing him out of existence.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	i really should say "regulate" instead of "taxing" but anyway.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	so suppose he were much more efficient at it. he had more money therefore. and now he could hire... condolezza rice.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	to tell him about how "nobody could have drawn a rocket on the wall it just couldn't have been done"	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	derpyherp and tyvm.	[23:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02010008 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {2}	[23:10]
bounce	what ties leo x to necessarily have an adversarial motivation towards da vinci?	[23:14]
bounce	though I don't think da vinci properly classifies as upper middle class in context	[23:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2315 @ 0.00098415 = 2.2783 BTC [+]	[23:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.02707575 = 0.8935 BTC [-] {5}	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7156 @ 0.00098695 = 7.0626 BTC [+]	[23:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0522985 = 0.7845 BTC [-] {4}	[23:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088844 = 0.2221 BTC [+]	[23:36]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[23:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3913 @ 0.00016577 = 0.6487 BTC [-] {4}	[23:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [+]	[23:57]

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