Forum logs for 06 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10229 @ 0.00096334 = 9.854 BTC [-] {2} [00:08]
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nubbins` [00:22]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:22]
nubbins` and [00:22]
thestringpuller damn [00:22]
nubbins` [00:22]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [00:22]
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nubbins` that's pretty much my past 24 hours right there [00:23]
nubbins` now, a quick power nap before the album release show where all this shit is being sold [00:24]
thestringpuller it should all be burned [00:25]
thestringpuller like an effigy! [00:25]
thestringpuller BURN IT TO THE GROUND [00:25]
thestringpuller ;;calc 100/483 [00:25]
gribble 0.207039337474 [00:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5250 @ 0.00019998 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {3} [00:27]
truffles take off the blue animal thing improves that one [00:29]
truffles burn the others [00:29]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529999 = 0.1059 BTC [+] [00:32]
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truffles burn it with the other stuff [01:04]
truffles it looks like clutter though, just trying to help out [01:05]
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nubbins` noted. it looks the way it looks on purpose :D [01:07]
truffles i c that [01:07]
nubbins` fun fact, the blue is actually the original [01:07]
truffles id like em better as 2 separate works [01:07]
truffles u save on ink too :D [01:09]
jurov seems truffles needs dick surgery [01:12]
nubbins` ^ [01:13]
truffles why does it need to be shredded [01:13]
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nubbins` coffee-beer-smokables-music [01:16]
nubbins` peace [01:16]
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benkay ;;later tell nubbins` sounds like a great day [01:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:16]
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benkay i'll just squeeze this beer: [01:25]
benkay "20 startups make their pitch. The crowd makes its choices. The top 10 startups receive equal funding." [01:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04998894 = 1.1497 BTC [+] {2} [01:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03473478 = 0.7989 BTC [-] {2} [01:55]
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benkay 22 years old, significant fraction of btc on deposit at bitstamp, engineer at facebook, can't diddle his dollas: [02:24]
kakobrekla theres several issues here [02:26]
kakobrekla idiot customers and idiot service provider [02:27]
kakobrekla the result, well, there it is. [02:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00344001 = 0.485 BTC [-] [02:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 138 @ 0.00342792 = 0.4731 BTC [-] {5} [02:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+] [02:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00096753 = 10.3042 BTC [+] [03:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00096753 = 8.1756 BTC [+] [03:22]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:29]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 460.96, Best ask: 463.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 463.0, 24 hour volume: 6528.94404985, 24 hour low: 441.25, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 452.917999845 [03:29]
mircea_popescu report incoming with apologies for teh delay [03:30]
mircea_popescu apparently scheduled posts dun work for some reason. [03:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 569 @ 0.00017901 = 0.1019 BTC [-] [03:35]
asciilifeform [03:41]
ozbot ABN Amro Ex-CEO Found Dead | Zero Hedge [03:41]
mircea_popescu jurov you know, enforcing boundaries has little to do with despising. a man may plow with six oxen, and may not sleep with oxen in his bed. [03:41]
mircea_popescu doesn't mean he despises the beasts nao. [03:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the bodies getting bigger... [03:42]
asciilifeform this promises to end like that folk tale - the executioner is ordered to chop his own head. [03:42]
mircea_popescu last banker up turn off the lights. [03:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.08299776 = 2.8219 BTC [-] {3} [03:47]
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mircea_popescu from the fucktarded "advertisments" on zero hedge : [03:48]
mircea_popescu "A Long Time Product Tester Revels the Secrets to Getting FREE Products" [03:48]
kakobrekla by being a whore. nuttin new. [03:51]
mircea_popescu revels/reveals is the butt :D [03:51]
kakobrekla ah i only skimmed [03:51]
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kakobrekla nondiLigently. [03:51]
mircea_popescu lol [03:52]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla just for that i pulled up the only twelve or so pages where i had misspelled it and FIXED IT [03:56]
mircea_popescu so now you got NOTHING [03:56]
mircea_popescu HA! [03:56]
kakobrekla :D [03:57]
kakobrekla btw that template you sent me last time still had it fyi. [03:59]
mircea_popescu omfg haters gonna haet [04:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58012171 BTC [+] [04:01]
kakobrekla lolk, ill stop [04:01]
bounce hatters gonna hat [04:01]
mircea_popescu i think ima just negrate the dictionary till they fix it my way. [04:01]
kakobrekla heheh [04:01]
mircea_popescu i'm not eeven the only oine btw, for some reason dill is fucking popular with finance people. [04:01]
mircea_popescu < grep [04:02]
ozbot ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up [04:02]
kakobrekla yeah dunno whats up with that, havent seen pornstars go googling for 'dilldo' [04:03]
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mircea_popescu it's from all the pickles. [04:04]
mircea_popescu so who's this cgcardona fellow [04:05]
kakobrekla ? [04:06]
mircea_popescu i dunno, some hawaiian from teh logs. [04:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: congrats are in order. << ty. [04:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00096313 = 3.4191 BTC [-] [04:08]
kakobrekla dont tell me you talked to doog ? :D [04:08]
mircea_popescu this was about nefario. [04:08]
kakobrekla yea but doog stopped coding it [04:08]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: [04:08]
mircea_popescu his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read) << actuallyt, you can reload the article x times and it won't cut further credits. [04:08]
kakobrekla thats why everything is on halt [04:08]
kakobrekla afaik [04:08]
mircea_popescu heh. [04:08]
mircea_popescu pankkake: I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it << this man hates freedom! [04:10]
pankkake I regreted what I wrote but - I mean an easy to use service to pay by the page [04:10]
mircea_popescu holy hell 20% ? we're at 6bn ?! [04:10]
mircea_popescu pankkake in a mid to long term perspective i suspect the trilema system may actually work [04:11]
mircea_popescu as more worthwhile sites implement it eventually you'd prolly have a centralizer site, select all you want from there [04:11]
mircea_popescu then it micropays for you as needed [04:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00096492 = 1.5439 BTC [+] [04:12]
mircea_popescu ,d [04:12]
mircea_popescu .d [04:12]
ozbot 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1926 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3495% in 12d 8h 35m 10s [04:12]
mircea_popescu insane. [04:12]
mircea_popescu Crown Commercial Service (CCS) - a new cabinet office department that handles public sector purcasing and commercial operations - said in a statement, "By combining demand, on behalf of Central Government departments and the wider public sector, Crown Commercial Service has demonstrated the benefits of government working as a single customer to achieve best value for the taxpayer, whilst continuing to build good worki [04:13]
mircea_popescu ng relationships with our technology suppliers." [04:13]
mircea_popescu this is what the uk comissariat imagines buying more xp means. [04:14]
mircea_popescu my mind's well boggled. [04:14]
mircea_popescu punkman: farming's hard work for most people << not harder than a good workout at the gym. except instead of paying for membership, you get paid. [04:15]
mircea_popescu twizt: lol companies cant go public without being in here? < not successfuly, no. [04:15]
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mircea_popescu and you know, talk to them bout repping, why not. [04:16]
mike_c i was a big admirer of philip greenspun. i attended one of arsdigita's classes in boston. reading that article makes me sick. [04:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c he sounds quite admirable, especially when he's doing the narration. third parties... well more of a mixed bag. [04:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ahh that bitdaytrade thing was epic. [04:19]
mircea_popescu possibly my favourite incompetence story in the history of btc. that and the early polish dudes. [04:19]
kakobrekla i dont think i ever saw code as bad as that btw [04:21]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 were you thinking of the bitbet overpay last month ? [04:21]
kakobrekla the amt of coin aa managed to fuck up is amazing [04:22]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [04:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla dude are you kidding me ? mysql/php exchange, with mysql_insert(straight-get-reference) [04:22]
mircea_popescu it was beyond the believable, it literally said, "take the string from the url and put it in the db as is" [04:22]
joecool sounds legit [04:24]
mircea_popescu just absolutely incredible, i mean people may occasionally get the idea that their car doesn't need gasoline to run, not really. so they run it on whatever, toluene [04:24]
mircea_popescu hair spray, moonshine [04:24]
mircea_popescu but to actually try to use a mixture of sugar and quick setting cement as fuel ?! [04:24]
joecool i dunno, i used grease once and it worked ok [04:25]
mircea_popescu was it made by john deere ? [04:25]
joecool people said it sounded like it was, VW made it [04:26]
mircea_popescu this looks pretty workable. [04:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.034634 = 0.5195 BTC [-] {2} [04:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00096421 = 8.8707 BTC [-] [04:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00019997 = 0.2 BTC [+] {3} [04:40]
MisterE sounds like CCS was set up just to offload the blame for that retarded $9mil USD XP support contract. [04:41]
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mircea_popescu possible. [04:43]
mircea_popescu not the first time the 51st state is used for a sort of current day new jersey [04:43]
joecool dirty jerz [04:47]
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mircea_popescu "Let's not succumb to this collectivist Eastern Europe sucks mentality. Eastern Europe is not the issue here. Best Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp is operated from Slovenia and second best, BTC-e is run from Bulgaria." [04:48]
mircea_popescu see kakobrekla ? eastern europe is not the issue here. [04:49]
kakobrekla heh [04:50]
mircea_popescu The committee also criticises the Daily Mail and The Daily Telegraphfor placing “heavy reliance . . . on the ability of their readers to distinguish between fact and opinion on climate science”. [04:51]
mircea_popescu it's kinda funny that just as bitcoin organises one end of the spectrum towards individualism, [04:52]
mircea_popescu teh state is getting increasingly more collectivist too. [04:52]
mircea_popescu i guess to no-one's surprise. [04:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00096449 = 1.0609 BTC [+] [05:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 842 @ 0.00018125 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {2} [05:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03461 = 0.2769 BTC [-] [05:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05110001 = 0.5621 BTC [+] {2} [05:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00019998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} [05:18]
cryptolemming Evening / morning, Mircea mind if I ask what became of the SEC situation, did they simply leave it be or leave it with some element of threat to return? was an interesting situation. [05:20]
cazalla omg those romanians.. [05:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6108 @ 0.00096444 = 5.8908 BTC [-] {2} [05:22]
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mircea_popescu cryptolemming nothing really. [05:25]
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mircea_popescu it wouldn't be political to issue threats in any case. i guess they didn't get what they wanted and are considering their options. [05:26]
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cryptolemming can't help but assume the attention will begin to trickle down to entities such as just-dice, don't know enough to know if they'd even really care about something so relatively small. [05:28]
mircea_popescu tbh, it'd seem the vast majority of the internet population is sorely legally illiterate and otherwise quite psychotic. [05:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05010663 = 0.5011 BTC [-] {4} [05:31]
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mircea_popescu sec is just trying to find its place in this new world, it's just common sense they'd come to talk to me about it. [05:33]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what all the panic is all about. [05:33]
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cryptolemming panic? [05:33]
mircea_popescu well yes. [05:34]
cryptolemming it does make sense they'd talk to you about it yeah [05:34]
cryptolemming haven't noticed much panic, although haven't spent much time here either, everything seems fine otherwise [05:35]
mircea_popescu "with some element of threat" ; " the attention will begin to trickle down", to not even go into teh forum reddit etc. [05:35]
mircea_popescu you'd think fort sumter was fired on last week. [05:36]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04871969 = 0.9257 BTC [-] {5} [05:36]
cryptolemming really, guess the wording was a bit strong [05:36]
mircea_popescu but anyway! [05:37]
chetty just a lot of nuts out to pump the drama [05:37]
cryptolemming seems like a lot of artifical extensions are being made from a couple slightly although subjectively perceived over-dramatic words [05:38]
cryptolemming curious about sec, was an interesting situation, curious about jd, launching something similar soon from a not-so-friendly jurisdiction, it's just chatter [05:38]
cryptolemming i don't think there's anything to worry about [05:39]
cryptolemming can explore topics neutrally, nm though sure [05:40]
mircea_popescu what's jd launching ? [05:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05349988 = 0.8025 BTC [+] {2} [05:40]
cryptolemming nothing afaik, I'm launching something similar, these topics are thus more interesting atm [05:41]
cryptolemming not really all that interesting though, so nm [05:42]
mircea_popescu you're launching something similar to what, jd ? [05:45]
cryptolemming in the sense that we are allowing bankrollers yes, and offering a game of chance [05:46]
mircea_popescu aha [05:47]
kakobrekla ;;later tell mike_c [05:48]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:48]
mike_c awesome! [05:48]
kakobrekla also spam has found your blog again :> [05:49]
mike_c at least someone is commenting. [05:49]
kakobrekla :D [05:49]
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kakobrekla anyway the last parameter there will tell you the relative size of the trade [05:50]
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BCB [05:55]
kakobrekla basically it tells you the effective leverage for the trade [05:57]
cryptolemming aha? [06:03]
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ThickAsThieves my post on "Narcotic Checkpoints" is now the hottest thing in the Facebook community page [06:07]
ThickAsThieves moderators are asking if i can move it to a "rants" area now that it has 150 posts and is dominating the feed [06:07]
ThickAsThieves "I'm no longer commenting on the dumbest topic I've heard in my life! This is ignorant! One day you will need the police for something and I hope they are not there to help you! You don't deserve the kindness that they put out in the community everyday! Go to court, hire a lawyer do whatever you want but plez post what happens when they laugh you out of there!" [06:08]
ThickAsThieves upon inspection of her page, there is a baby photo, wearin a Sheriff badge [06:08]
ThickAsThieves i'll probably be harassed anywhere i go now... [06:09]
iamnot_ facebook community page? [06:09]
ThickAsThieves yeah we have a group thingie in facebook [06:09]
ThickAsThieves that the community uses [06:09]
ThickAsThieves mostly to ask fro plumber recommendations n shit [06:09]
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iamnot_ lol [06:10]
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ThickAsThieves i replied "I do appreciate officers and their service. The law is an ever-evolving thing, with precedents and incidents defining its meaning constantly. I'm not calling them evil, but I am saying that NCs might be out of bounds. Your malice towards me is unfortunate, as no matter how much I we disagree, I do hope someone is there to help you anytime you may need it." [06:11]
ThickAsThieves to which she says (remember she's done commenting!) "I'm sure they will definitely be there to help me! Unfortunately they can't pick and choose who they help....I'm sure you would be on the NO help list!" [06:12]
ThickAsThieves admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to,d.cWc [06:12]
ThickAsThieves oops, [06:12]
ThickAsThieves,-Their-and-They're [06:12]
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mike_c kakobrekla: ah, cool about the leverage. is there a delay on it? [06:26]
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kakobrekla theres a few things i must finish to make it completely automagic, after that trades will show as soon as they are closed (refreshed every 10 min or so) [06:28]
mike_c nice [06:28]
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moiety mew [06:32]
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mircea_popescu poor tat, causing trouble wherever he goes because he's a mp sock [06:40]
MisterE [06:42]
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mircea_popescu "Have you ever wanted to trade your Crypto Currencies against GOLD, SILVER, Platinum? Now you can" [06:43]
moiety mircea_popescu: anyone having their own opinion tends to be sock-accused in my experience [06:43]
chetty ThickAsThieves, a usual case of worship 'authority', never question [06:43]
mircea_popescu yeah totally. couldn't before, since about 2011 [06:43]
kakobrekla everyone is the first and the biggest. [06:43]
mircea_popescu i guess "the first and biggest" sounds better than "the derpiest and cluelessest" [06:44]
* kakobrekla googles [06:44]
kakobrekla it does. [06:44]
MisterE or the "world's premiere site for foo" [06:44]
kakobrekla haha [06:44]
mircea_popescu i think that's premier [06:44]
kakobrekla premiere tumbleweed. [06:44]
kakobrekla whatevers [06:44]
mircea_popescu actually it's "whatever" [06:44]
kakobrekla .... [06:45]
kakobrekla actually its "..." [06:45]
MisterE I spel American [06:45]
kakobrekla i scam somali [06:45]
kakobrekla s/scam/spell [06:45]
MisterE lol [06:45]
chetty kakobrekla, same thing [06:45]
mircea_popescu vragnaroda, whom only the eldest perhaps still remember, was famously accused by some derp of "being a grammer naxi that corecteing people 24/7" [06:45]
kakobrekla :p [06:46]
moiety ;; later tell BingoBoingo i get now it was a joke, i didn't before. [06:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:46]
moiety does later tell work in gribble pms? [06:46]
mircea_popescu [06:46]
mircea_popescu i like how the gold bars get etching and shit [06:46]
mircea_popescu [06:46]
mircea_popescu but the silver ain't cool enough for school. [06:46]
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kakobrekla btw where did vrag go [06:50]
kakobrekla he produced a lot of lines. [06:50]
kakobrekla if my memory serves me right. [06:51]
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decimation pat buchanan has some good posts on Taki's mag: [06:52]
kakobrekla read it "taaki mag" and almost had a heart attack. [06:52]
decimation lol [06:53]
tg2 [06:53]
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mircea_popescu who knows [06:53]
tg2 lol [06:53]
tg2 mircea_popescu, you better watch that and get you some good crypto advice [06:53]
decimation fred reed is good too: [06:53]
mircea_popescu decimation you mean taki of the spectator ? [06:53]
mircea_popescu tg2 transcript ? [06:54]
MisterE break it down for us tg2 [06:54]
jborkl Lol they are selling kilo bars? [06:54]
mircea_popescu this taki ? [06:54]
ozbot High life » The Spectator [06:54]
MisterE wtf? 2.2lbs? [06:54]
mircea_popescu jborkl yeah. two thirds of a bar gets you all of ripple. [06:54]
jborkl Lol [06:54]
MisterE :D [06:54]
decimation yeah the same guy [06:55]
decimation [06:55]
ozbot Taki Theodoracopulos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:55]
jborkl Just don't assey them [06:55]
jborkl Sp [06:55]
MisterE I dunno why it looks like lead underneath, it says right on the bar 99.9% fine [06:56]
mircea_popescu cool. [06:56]
jborkl Solig tungsten core [06:56]
MisterE tungsten heavy like that? [06:56]
jborkl It is the same density as gold [06:56]
jborkl Almost exactly [06:57]
MisterE oh wow [06:57]
mircea_popescu decimation that wikipedia article is perhaps the best indictment of the "wikipedia" notion of an encyclopedia one could devise. [06:57]
mircea_popescu seriously, that's all they have to say about taki, that he called some simian looking jew "homely" and that fascists taking over greece'd be an improvement over the current sort of socialists ? [06:57]
mircea_popescu with culture like this illiteracy seems an impossibility. [06:58]
decimation well, the wikipedia is the lowest common denominator of american thinking [06:58]
tg2 lol transcript: dude is retarded. I watch that video when I want to feel better about my crypto portfolio. [06:58]
decimation so it's pretty much facebook socialism [06:58]
decimation fred reed money quote: "My wife Violeta, a Mexican, describes the United States as a Third World country with a First World infrastructure (un pais tercermundista con infraestructura primermundista)" [06:59]
mircea_popescu not anymore. [06:59]
decimation yeah the infrastructure is getting very spotty [06:59]
mircea_popescu it shocked me what poor state of repair the infrastructure was [06:59]
mircea_popescu and this was a decade ago. [06:59]
jborkl Taki s haircut makes bitcoin drop 10% in value [06:59]
MisterE bridges falling apart it's amazing [06:59]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:59]
mircea_popescu decimation you saw that epic bridge jury rig btw ? [07:00]
decimation heh no what are you talking about? [07:00]
mircea_popescu o god lemme find it. [07:00]
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decimation as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast [07:01]
decimation that's so sad [07:01]
mircea_popescu i went from new hampshire to new mexico. [07:01]
decimation the engineer who designed that bridge is probably crying [07:01]
decimation the northeast is the worst in my experience [07:01]
mircea_popescu decimation maybe he suicided with a rivet gun [07:01]
decimation lol [07:02]
decimation I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun [07:02]
mircea_popescu he accidentally died of a self inflicted would while trying to propel himself with a nailgun [07:02]
decimation heh. Fred Reed's blog is pretty classic too: [07:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, back in 2004 mass was fighting like 3 separare wrongful death suits arising out of chunks of concrete coming off the road and flying into people's cars [07:04]
mircea_popescu which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit. [07:05]
tg2 we have that problem in quebec currently [07:05]
tg2 overpasses falling down [07:05]
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decimation yeah that was after they spent billions on the "big dig" [07:05]
mircea_popescu big dig wasn't nearly done yet [07:05]
mircea_popescu but no, these were just poorly maintained state highways [07:05]
mircea_popescu no fucking idea who told you people cement works for this application btw [07:06]
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mircea_popescu europe is all asphalt. [07:06]
asciilifeform so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive: [07:06]
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ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [07:06]
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asciilifeform first thought was 'gasenwagen' [07:06]
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decimation I thought you were talking about that. as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive [07:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty epic [07:07]
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decimation ascii you should just rent a room in the marriott across from fort meade [07:07]
chetty hahaha save the man some travel $$ [07:08]
asciilifeform perhaps those are... free. [07:09]
asciilifeform but 'one way.' [07:09]
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decimation ascii I do agree with your point about rental property. I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying" [07:10]
decimation the assumption is that only lowlifes with no credit rent [07:10]
asciilifeform on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live. [07:10]
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asciilifeform they exist, but tend to be 'for students' (even when hours away from any kind of school) and full of antiquated crap [07:11]
asciilifeform imagine paying $3k/mo for a building with no garbage disposal [07:11]
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decimation yeah in my experience most "landlords" are real estate agents who generally are happy with a zero cashflow - they write off the depreciation against their income [07:12]
asciilifeform actually, my understanding is that many of them are 'civilians' who went 'underwater' [07:12]
asciilifeform i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses [07:13]
moiety i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place. [07:13]
asciilifeform man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid. [07:13]
asciilifeform so he rents it out, often at a loss [07:13]
decimation yeah that's the other population. obviously, neither is interested in paying anything for property maintenance [07:14]
asciilifeform moiety: in the u.s. (no idea about elsewhere) - they have 'special' credit offers for the freshly bankrupt. with 40% interest, etc. [07:14]
mircea_popescu i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion. [07:14]
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mircea_popescu what the fuck difference does it make what he paid. [07:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it does - to him. [07:15]
asciilifeform chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in [07:15]
moiety asciilifeform: just seems so daft that you have to get messed up to get it and staying debt free actually harms you [07:15]
mircea_popescu moiety thats just the contemporary implementation of "every man needs a lord" [07:16]
chetty moiety, but thats the whole bankster trap, in a nutshell [07:17]
asciilifeform moiety: in u.s., folks with money traditionally keep credit cards, which are paid off as soon as they are used, for 'x percent back' crap. [07:17]
moiety i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses [07:17]
moiety you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating [07:17]
moiety but you need a credit card to get a credit rating [07:17]
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tg2 cellphone contract will usually build credit ) [07:18]
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asciilifeform i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting [07:18]
decimation yeah homes are definitely fully funded with bezzle [07:19]
asciilifeform 'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx' [07:19]
asciilifeform 'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter' [07:19]
tg2 you trying to buy shark with goldfish budget [07:20]
decimation not only that, the local governments lard their coffers with property taxes [07:20]
decimation which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation [07:20]
asciilifeform tg2: more interesting than that. you can easily 'buy' the shark with the 'goldfish' price - because you are also paying with your arse virginity in that scenario [07:21]
tg2 property tax is the biggest scheme [07:21]
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tg2 there needs to be some recourse for home owners that get "reevaluated" at 10% more when their house has not inreased in value [07:21]
asciilifeform tg2: the folks who 'bought' during bubble peak, etc. are still doomed [07:22]
decimation "Budget: US$1.6 Billion" [07:22]
ozbot Prince George's County Public Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [07:22]
moiety you can claim free land in scotland [07:22]
asciilifeform moiety: while you're at it, we can also note that living far out at sea is free [07:22]
asciilifeform but it doesn't exactly work for most people. [07:23]
decimation you can live aboard a boat docked at baltimore for a few $k per year [07:24]
asciilifeform decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat [07:25]
asciilifeform in most american ports [07:25]
moiety asciilifeform: one guy claimed 50 hectares, started to build, got some people occupying the land at a rented rate, paid for the build. free house, lots of land [07:25]
asciilifeform not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing [07:25]
decimation yeah boats are a money pit [07:26]
moiety the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually [07:26]
decimation I suspect most "free land" in scotland is either on a cliff or in a moor [07:26]
asciilifeform and since when is construction 'free' ? [07:26]
moiety decimation: it all depends how long/hard you are willing to look. its not like its listed anywhere [07:27]
moiety not the construction being free asciilifeform but it was paid for by the money from the people occupying the land for him, which is actually part of the terms. win win [07:28]
decimation ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game [07:28]
moiety he just threw a post up on a forum [07:28]
asciilifeform decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump. [07:29]
asciilifeform there is, for instance, a kind of gristly and sinewy chump that grinds apart in the chumpatron very reluctantly [07:29]
asciilifeform and there's the kind which crunches eagerly, like chocolate [07:30]
moiety and theres the kind that wind up there out of obligation [07:31]
decimation lol [07:31]
decimation well, the us today is pretty much an enormous chumpatron [07:31]
decimation from which escape is neigh impossible, and alternatives few [07:31]
asciilifeform escape isn't impossible, but requires reaching 'escape velocity' [07:32]
asciilifeform like a gravitational 'well' [07:32]
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asciilifeform best advice for folks not yet parked in the gravity well is 'stay the hell out' [07:33]
asciilifeform much cheaper/easier than having to rocket out later. [07:33]
decimation yeah, this is true. I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome? [07:34]
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ozbot More than 3,100 Americans renounced citizenship last year: FBI - National | [07:35]
chetty when they actually build that border fence you know you are trouble [07:36]
asciilifeform the fellow who bought my 'urbit dukedom' for 4.5btc publicly burned his u.s. passport. [07:38]
asciilifeform (long ago) [07:38]
chetty well formal renounce costs money :P [07:39]
decimation I don't think that actually works [07:39]
moiety a lot of people seem to have turned their attention to canada thesedays [07:40]
asciilifeform the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to [07:40]
asciilifeform just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick [07:40]
decimation true. just like the Royal Navy in the early 1800's [07:41]
decimation "oh, you've become an American now? good on ya - you sail for the King now" [07:41]
chetty yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days) [07:42]
decimation as if foriegn banks operate in the interest of their account holders [07:42]
moiety free guns with us bank accounts [07:42]
asciilifeform chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees [07:43]
asciilifeform now let's say they stop honouring renunciations [07:43]
asciilifeform plenty of historic precedent [07:44]
chetty exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent [07:44]
asciilifeform ;;google republikflucht [07:44]
gribble Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: ; Republikflucht - Wiktionary: [07:44]
asciilifeform 'you grew up in our glorious motherland? still want to leave, bastard? fine - pony up $1mil, to cover the cost of building you' [07:45]
tg2 thats how slavery started [07:45]
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tg2 but the reverse [07:45]
tg2 lol [07:45]
decimation right, my only point is that they are all fractional reserve banks on the British model. The bezzle follows you everywhere [07:45]
tg2 canada has that [07:47]
tg2 its called brain drain [07:47]
chetty but they reach out all over the world to serve those unfortunate 'unbanked' [07:48]
tg2 education and healthcare heavily subsidized, then high talent individuals go to silicon valley and work there [07:48]
kakobrekla this brain drain thingy seems to be everywhere. but how could that be, it has to drain to something, unless its sewer? [07:49]
kakobrekla to someplace * [07:49]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: the answer lies in the sewer. [07:49]
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chetty going galt? [07:49]
asciilifeform high talent individuals go to silicon valley << world-renowned chumpatron. leaving aside the question of whether the folks there 'work' (in the sense of producing anything valuable) - they get sheared very properly, for much of what they make - at least the ones who wouldn't care to commute 4 hrs/day [07:50]
kakobrekla i was afraid so ascii. [07:50]
decimation yeah silicon valley is at least 2x worse than the DC area [07:51]
decimation no rational engineer would work there for less than $300k per year [07:51]
decimation but they make $100k [07:51]
kanzure kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area [07:52]
asciilifeform 100k won't buy you a garret to starve in, there. [07:52]
decimation kanzure: how much do they make 15 years in? [07:52]
kanzure so anyone with an ounce of experience is making.. a lot more. :) [07:52]
decimation I bet not more than $150k [07:52]
kanzure well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more than 150 [07:52]
asciilifeform incidentally, we are close to a useful definition of 'rich' - fellow is 'rich' if he can tell the man with the shears to go to hell, and make it stick. [07:53]
kanzure at *minimum* the metric is +$1k/month per year of experience [07:53]
decimation lol [07:53]
kanzure and that's underperforming [07:54]
asciilifeform engineer who has to pay $100k to live within range of his $150k employer, cannot be described even as 'well to do' [07:54]
kanzure here is the survey i did, [07:54]
kanzure [07:54]
decimation no, he's effectively a wage slave [07:54]
kanzure anyway, 15 years of experience can easily get 25-30k/mo [07:55]
decimation right. because your poll said so? [07:55]
kanzure experience [07:55]
kanzure the poll is only to help idiots calibrate that $90k is low-end of the scale [07:56]
decimation okay, let's pretend that 15 year veterans are all making $300k - when a reasonable home is $1 mil, they are still pretty poor [07:57]
asciilifeform kanzure: the poll (even if we assume that every answer was truthful and representative of something) isn't particularly useful, because it lumps in things which are quite unlike. [07:57]
asciilifeform 300k vice president of widgets inc. is not a member of the same profession as his engineer. [07:57]
kanzure asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for the idiot calibration [07:57]
kanzure and sure, i was focusing on people who write software [07:58]
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asciilifeform wrote. [07:58]
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kanzure or at least.. pretend to. [07:58]
kanzure [07:58]
asciilifeform 300k is, afaik, always a case of 'wrote' [07:58]
decimation these same $300k vp's famously conspired to underpay said engineers [07:58]
kanzure i was not a "vp" [07:58]
asciilifeform except in the wonderful case described earlier, where a chumper pays $250k to live near 300k job [07:58]
kanzure good gigs tend to be clustered around anything that says 'individual contributor' [08:00]
asciilifeform engineers, typically, sit in 'gravity wells' - because so long as you are bound to some geographic location, even a very large one, the folks with the shears come out [08:00]
asciilifeform and slice off your disposable income [08:00]
kanzure huh? all of my work has been remote. [08:01]
kanzure i guess you could claim gravity is impacting speed of light constraints on my work, but wtf? [08:01]
asciilifeform kanzure: you're in mp's weight class, then. [08:01]
kanzure magic pony? [08:02]
asciilifeform i'm speaking of me fellow zeros, not heroes [08:02]
kanzure haha you are a zero? [08:02]
kanzure what sort of fucked up math are you using? [08:02]
mikaeldice So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. [08:02]
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asciilifeform i have to, after all, concede that folks who have escaped from gravity well, while i sit in, are more clever than i [08:03]
asciilifeform hard to think of a better 'iq test' [08:03]
decimation yeah, me too [08:03]
chetty mikaeldice, hahahaha [08:04]
decimation except, the case of those who immigrated to the US looking for escape... [08:04]
asciilifeform decimation: 20 yrs. ago it wasn't an obviously stupid thing to do [08:04]
kanzure the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people) [08:05]
asciilifeform kanzure: to eat? [08:05]
decimation kanzure, are you implying that one with suitable skills can easily make $300k without "knowing" the "right people"? [08:05]
kanzure hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work" [08:06]
kanzure and you don't have to know the right people in advance, but you do eventually have to meet someone [08:06]
kanzure at least one person (namely the person who would be paying you) [08:06]
kanzure also you have to be able to provide actual value. no coding an airplane into the ground. [08:07]
asciilifeform kanzure: if you're the kind of hero who can demand 300k without ever having to physically meet a client, attend a whatever board, deliver physical samples in person, etc - more power to you [08:08]
asciilifeform but i dare say that you (and mp?) may be alone in this weight class, among us [08:08]
decimation my "experience" is quite full of people who are apparently quite intelligent and are unable to demand such a rate [08:09]
kanzure alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up traveling for a week every few months.. it was trickery. :( [08:09]
decimation I guess I just don't see the offers on or whatever [08:09]
asciilifeform i've often had 'interesting' conversations with people to whom i suggested calculating their wage 'per hour of actual work' [08:10]
kanzure knowing even just a little bit of programming puts you beyond the hope of most job sites [08:10]
kanzure so, what people do instead is more like in-bound marketing [08:10]
asciilifeform with the latter defined by 'doing anything that you would not do if you didn't have to' [08:10]
kanzure where their open source projects, blogs, conference talks/videos, whatever, serves as a way of directing traffic to them [08:10]
kanzure and then they get picked up by the industrial whales or do contracting gigs [08:10]
kanzure naturally this ends up causing some weirdness.. some people focusing on just hadoop or whatever. which is weird. but you can see why it happens. [08:11]
asciilifeform i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long. [08:11]
kanzure oh, i'm not even talking about the people who started the projects [08:12]
kanzure not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more than a handful of things, you're already likely something that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate [08:13]
kanzure ("did i mention that i cry myself to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?") [08:13]
kanzure *somewhere [08:13]
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kanzure now excuse me i must go cry over a shitty xml parser [08:14]
asciilifeform kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made. [08:14]
asciilifeform (or, it is made - evenings/weekends.) [08:15]
kanzure it's more like.. finding companies with lots of money, and then solving their problems using what you know. [08:16]
kanzure and then selecting those companies more carefully so that the solutions happen to be things that wont bore you to death [08:16]
decimation there are many details missing here, but it seems to me that kanzure is basically saying that big gov't/corps are willing to pay $100x to get what they could otherwise pay $x to get [08:16]
asciilifeform i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory. [08:17]
kanzure so wait, your thesis is that all highly-paid individuals are getting screwed? [08:17]
asciilifeform decimation: the parsimonious hypothesis is much simpler - some people get access to what drips from the money printer pipeline by having the right friends [08:17]
asciilifeform or sucking the right cocks [08:17]
decimation yeah I agree [08:17]
kanzure is it possible that there are people that are getting paid relative to the value that they create? [08:18]
asciilifeform a much smaller set actually provides $maxint of value [08:18]
asciilifeform but they aren't 'employees' in any sense [08:18]
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kanzure haha neobeeq [08:19]
kanzure is that faked? [08:19]
decimation I think it's true that a "web of trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns to do jobs for govt/corps [08:19]
decimation but I don't think that is a large population [08:19]
decimation and their pay is largely decided by their position on their wot [08:20]
asciilifeform decimation: this does appear to be the way it works, where i live. [08:20]
decimation note, that this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan [08:21]
kanzure [08:21]
decimation at some point the harvard MBA is going to ask "Why are we paying this guy $300k when we could hire 20 Indians for the same?" [08:22]
asciilifeform decimation: why would he ask this question about his best friend? [08:22]
kanzure because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at the same itme [08:23]
kanzure *time [08:23]
kanzure (except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and they were actually very good) [08:23]
decimation he wouldn't of course; but when he retires the next young gun trying to cut the bottom line would [08:23]
kanzure and then they'd wonder why their site keeps getting hacked etc [08:23]
asciilifeform next guy - next set of parasites (in the original, roman sense of the word.) [08:23]
kanzure and why the product is 18 months behind [08:24]
kanzure "but we added 200 people!" [08:24]
asciilifeform kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month' [08:24]
kanzure actually, i haven't :) [08:24]
kanzure i just pretend that i have [08:24]
asciilifeform you just described 'living' it. [08:24]
decimation I would recommend it [08:25]
kanzure well, yes, but i stole it from the book [08:25]
kanzure yeah i know i should read it, i'm just terrible [08:25]
decimation kanzure I presume this is you: [08:26]
kanzure yes [08:26]
decimation I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k [08:26]
decimation that's why I'm a zero I guess [08:27]
kanzure oh yeah, it's fucking awful [08:27]
kanzure definitely not high on my list of things i'm proud of [08:27]
decimation ascii if only some prince were willing to pay you develop your loper-os [08:29]
asciilifeform lol [08:29]
kanzure fuck that, i want my headset [08:29]
kanzure my saiyan viewfinder [08:29]
kanzure uh, scouter [08:29]
truffles time to level up to super [08:30]
asciilifeform 'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) - [08:30]
asciilifeform one man's 300k is not the same as another's [08:30]
kanzure sure. i wouldn't be willing to go into an office for $150k. [08:30]
asciilifeform in the sense that if you have to live in a particular place, or worse, become a certain kind of person, to earn it, you are in fact very poor [08:30]
truffles 0.0 [08:30]
asciilifeform poorer than a beggar, in some cases [08:31]
truffles what kinda baller r u dood [08:31]
truffles 150k id go in super early too ;D [08:31]
kanzure i smoke lines of code? [08:31]
kanzure it's not as great as you think [08:31]
asciilifeform likewise, one man's 300k may buy a palace (in costa rica), another's - a converted garage in palo alto [08:31]
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truffles sure is, id live for like 5yrs + on that [08:31]
kanzure US salaries are discussed in pre-tax terms [08:32]
kanzure (i know, it's stupid) [08:32]
truffles heh [08:32]
asciilifeform truffles: which is precisely why it is reserved for the folks who agreed to the conditions of indenture [08:32]
asciilifeform i.e. throwing most of the 300 directly to the vultures [08:32]
asciilifeform ;;google FIRE economy [08:33]
gribble FIRE economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Official FIRE Economy site: ; FIRE Economy Definition | Investopedia: [08:33]
truffles not that id sign up for a job of u know e.g. killing ppl [08:33]
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truffles but ppl sign up to join the military daily.. [08:33]
truffles do they even make 30k? [08:34]
kanzure is that a threat [08:34]
kanzure they actually make out ok depending on whether or not they dump it all into a corvette [08:34]
asciilifeform signing bonus alone, last i checked, was close to 30k [08:34]
asciilifeform (scratch that - re-enlistment bonus) [08:34]
decimation in my experience the rich around the DC area are mostly military [08:34]
decimation 27 year old with a wife gets $2800 tax-free per month [08:35]
truffles blackwater? [08:35]
decimation on top of free food and medical care [08:35]
decimation with the possibility of converting to a well-paid contract position upon 20 years of "service" [08:35]
truffles thought u had to be contracting to get decent money [08:36]
asciilifeform not sure in what sense a fellow who gets to not only do work which he doesn't necessarily feel like doing, but also get sent off as cannon fodder - can be thought of as 'rich' [08:36]
MisterE there are many reasons people join the military [08:36]
MisterE the most common is they have nothing else [08:36]
asciilifeform he's essentially a more physically-fit version of the palo alto programmer [08:36]
MisterE it's eithe rthat or the streets [08:36]
truffles sure u can have a pure heart going in [08:37]
asciilifeform does not own his arse. [08:37]
MisterE now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better [08:37]
truffles we're not discussing that [08:37]
kanzure why didn't DPR blackmail the fbi? [08:37]
MisterE contractors make more for sure [08:37]
truffles now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better>>> to join the US military? [08:37]
decimation the number who end up cannon fodder are very small [08:37]
MisterE yes [08:37]
decimation us military are mustly bureaucrats with coordianted clothing [08:38]
truffles u srs dood [08:38]
truffles arent they downsizing [08:38]
MisterE heh you seen their budget? is it downsizing? [08:38]
truffles i believe it will be [08:38]
MisterE US can not afford to downsize the military industrial comples jobs program [08:38]
MisterE instant recession [08:38]
MisterE complex* [08:38]
decimation not to mention it employs most of the scant 300k electrical engineers total in the us [08:39]
truffles guess we will see in the coming years [08:39]
asciilifeform growing mil budget does not necessarily translate to more pig slots at the trough. [08:39]
MisterE can barely stop QE without blood all over the floor it's a shaky house of cards [08:39]
MisterE $500 hammers :0 [08:40]
decimation [08:40]
ozbot 2015 budget released: How the cuts affect pay, BAH, per diem and Tricare | Military Times | military [08:40]
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decimation "The Pentagon is also mounting a new attempt to cut travel costs. Specifically, that effort will reduce per diem rates for troops on extended travel. It will also eliminate reimbursements for laundry services, bottled water and other ?incidental? expenses. Officials could not immediately provide details of the new per diem rates." [08:40]
decimation sounds like serious cuts [08:40]
MisterE this is only a proposed budget [08:40]
asciilifeform everyone loves the $500 hammer. but how many people who laugh at the hammer have ever built a one-off prototype of anything? [08:40]
MisterE by the time congress hacks it up military spending will increase [08:41]
asciilifeform what do you suppose it would cost to build your pc by hand, in a quantity of five? [08:41]
asciilifeform assume you don't have to fabricate the ICs - only mount them. [08:41]
truffles yea seems clear that downsizing is imminent [08:41]
decimation assuming you lack a competent technician, it would probably be $1000's [08:42]
MisterE we shall see [08:42]
MisterE history is not on the side of downsizing [08:42]
asciilifeform decimation: add a zero or two. [08:42]
MisterE one trumped up conflict between now and passing of a budget and that is all out the window [08:42]
truffles one of u painted vets as having a rosy time of it, not the reality for most afaik [08:42]
decimation for something complex or fancy, sure [08:43]
MisterE vets are really screwed now [08:43]
MisterE for many of the same reasons they go into the military they are screwed when they come out [08:43]
MisterE unless they can work for a private contractor [08:43]
asciilifeform the military folks aren't only being paid in money [08:45]
asciilifeform there are intangibles. quite a few people would - pay - to fight in a war. [08:45]
truffles 0.0 [08:45]
decimation this used to be the custom, in fact: [08:46]
MisterE yea GI Bill (too bad an education is worth so much less now) and the home loan are good [08:46]
truffles id sign up to fight in a zombie apocalypse situation for sure [08:46]
MisterE healthcare is so-so if you're not messed up too bad [08:46]
MisterE aww hell yea! [08:46]
truffles not if its fast zombs though [08:46]
MisterE truffles: I would just request a flame thrower [08:46]
MisterE no only the slow lumbering ones [08:46]
asciilifeform 'fast zombies' - analogous to 'fast neutrons' ? [08:47]
MisterE with the retarded lurch [08:47]
MisterE best thing about the GI bill is they can let their kids use it [08:47]
MisterE few soldiers come off the front lines fit to enter college [08:48]
truffles society* [08:48]
MisterE not that they were fit for college before enlisting [08:48]
MisterE ^ [08:48]
MisterE for being socially aware and having great control over our environment we are a pretty rotten bunch of animals [08:49]
MisterE considering how we treat each other [08:49]
truffles when parasites are in charge its expected ldo [08:50]
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mircea_popescu kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area <<< sure. but the 10 year veteran is not making 5-10mn. [09:00]
mircea_popescu which is the problem. [09:00]
mircea_popescu So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. << which guy ? [09:02]
mikaeldice mircea_popescu, [09:03]
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kakobrekla wtf nonsense. [09:04]
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decimation Mr. Fasbit is very proud that you can be short as well as long [09:09]
decimation that's apparently a special feature of his "exchange" [09:09]
mircea_popescu lol ok anonforum guy [09:10]
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mircea_popescu anyway, i suspect the earlier lengthy discussion about money conflates two different uses of the thing. [09:13]
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mircea_popescu money can be sustenance or control. [09:13]
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mircea_popescu people who aren't in the business of control (such as engineers, say) wouldn't -logically- be paid enough money to go into 2nd category. [09:13]
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mircea_popescu they'd be paid enough to support themselves. [09:13]
mircea_popescu in this sense the rate-control agreement of the employers in sv is quite rational and in effect socially beneficial [09:14]
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decimation I agree it is rational from their perspective. And clearly, there are loads of engineers and "engineers" who are ready to signup [09:14]
mircea_popescu if you overpay them the bezzle-usd just runs into inflation. [09:15]
mircea_popescu suppose tomorrow the agreement was that no engineer working in sv is paid under 350mn dollars a year. [09:16]
decimation except as I pointed out awhile ago, there are only 300k EE's in the us total [09:16]
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mircea_popescu what other effects would you expect, except for rents being in the 20mn a month range ? [09:16]
decimation well, this is why rents in sv are already astronomical [09:16]
mircea_popescu yes, this is true. but they are not managers, they're not the sort of people who play the resource allocation game. thus they have no business handling money as a % of total supply. [09:16]
mircea_popescu they only get sustenance money. [09:17]
mircea_popescu there's two kinds of money see ? money-%, like btc. that's the money used by the people who allocate resources. [09:17]
decimation except, old republicans would point out that the managers used to not consider themselves worth of % of total business money [09:17]
mircea_popescu there's also money-flat, like what most people thing of "dollars". these are used to buy groceries with. [09:17]
mircea_popescu that may be. [09:17]
truffles 2 kinds of money like bills and coins? [09:17]
mircea_popescu resources still have to be allocated, somehow, by someone/thign. [09:17]
truffles prob mean 2 kinds of uses* [09:18]
decimation this whole "the ceo should get 1% of the business" deal is something that happened in the 80's with the increasing bezzle [09:18]
decimation greater bezzle leads to lesser bezzle [09:18]
mircea_popescu decimation looky : there are two types of questions before mankind. one type reduces to what ? the other type reduces to how ? [09:18]
mircea_popescu the people answering how-questions don't need (or want) the tools used by the people answering what-questions. [09:19]
decimation except there are also who? whom? questions [09:19]
truffles why when [09:19]
decimation I don't deny that allocating resources is hard work worthy of pay [09:20]
mircea_popescu who is what. [09:20]
mircea_popescu not a matter of "worthy" see ? [09:20]
mircea_popescu it'll have to be done, and so it will be done. [09:20]
mircea_popescu and it's not harder than any other. if all we have are shitty engineers, are htey not worthy or less worthy of pay ? [09:21]
mircea_popescu you rule compared to roman engineers 2 millenia ago, and suck compared to derpistan engineers of 4015 [09:21]
mircea_popescu what's that matter. [09:21]
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decimation right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible [09:22]
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mircea_popescu right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible << yes, tis true, but also somewhat unrelated to the issue of engineer pay. [09:26]
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mircea_popescu in a sense, if one finds himself bored in the laser lab and looking at the stars, one should switch from solid state to large body physics [09:26]
mircea_popescu rather than try and make the laser shoot stars. [09:26]
mircea_popescu i personally think a grown man should possess a working knowledge of both fields, at least enough to make him conversant in either. [09:27]
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decimation in the us it is very difficult to find these 'captains of industry' who are leading the exploitation. management talent is lacking more severely than engineering talent [09:28]
mircea_popescu absolutely. [09:28]
decimation this probably causes most engineers to have contempt for those over them [09:29]
mircea_popescu competent managers are always in short supply. engineers used to be, but 500 years of systematic how-to-twerk videos have managed to squeeze an astonishing amount of butt out of the ass. [09:29]
mircea_popescu management doesn't yeild as well to the scientific method, sadly, and spitefully. [09:30]
decimation yes, this is true, and thus most managers are simply born [09:30]
mircea_popescu maybe [09:30]
decimation or, were born with the predeliction to seek out experience to learn the 'trade' [09:31]
mircea_popescu or something. [09:31]
truffles nepotism is a great trade [09:31]
bocobit how do you guys feel about the private mission to mars [09:31]
mircea_popescu doubtful. [09:32]
bocobit would you sign up knowing its a one way trip? [09:32]
truffles if i were a con sure [09:32]
decimation what would such a mission be expected to yeild? knowledge? [09:32]
chetty bocobit, yup [09:32]
decimation what could be gained by sending humans than cannot be gained from robots? [09:32]
mircea_popescu decimation lawsuits. [09:32]
bocobit who was the four man on the moon? [09:32]
bocobit fourth* [09:32]
truffles dont think they have advance enough robots out decimation [09:33]
mircea_popescu i have some popcorn prepared for the opinions in the first wrongful death suit connected to private marsd exploration [09:33]
decimation well, then perhaps the right managers can allocate resources to build the advanced enough robots [09:33]
bocobit i'd do it if I was the first to walk [09:33]
decimation except, it isn't profitable [09:33]
decimation so that's dumb [09:33]
bocobit what else is there in life? [09:34]
mircea_popescu maybe it can be financed through a forum ipo [09:34]
mircea_popescu in which case the profit is not the point. [09:34]
decimation maybe elon will help [09:36]
truffles what else is there in life?>>> gambling [09:36]
bocobit I hear SD is even better on the martian surface [09:37]
truffles so they cant test it out with chimps 1st least it becomes planet of the apes .. [09:37]
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bocobit MP, I read that article you posted "Why I don't hire brilliant men" [09:40]
truffles sounds like something a lesser man writes :D [09:41]
mircea_popescu didja like it ? [09:41]
bocobit ya man I've been thinking about it the last week [09:41]
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bocobit there are a lot of parallels with all the new start ups in bitcoin world [09:42]
mircea_popescu it's usually given as a textbook example of anti-intelectualism in the us. [09:42]
truffles hmm [09:42]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the day is young. see you later all. [09:43]
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mircea_popescu keonne and who might you be ? [16:16]
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bounce [16:18]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:19]
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keonne hi mircea_popescu [16:31]
keonne i am keonne [16:31]
mircea_popescu ello [16:31]
keonne that is my name [16:31]
mircea_popescu abdul keonne ? [16:31]
keonne well abdul is/was my handle for years on irc [16:32]
keonne usually on gnaa or somewhere else nefarious [16:32]
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keonne but i tweeted you yesterday about btc shop [16:32]
keonne and i did mention i would lurk in here now [16:32]
mircea_popescu oic. [16:32]
keonne so just making good on my twitter promises i suppose [16:33]
mircea_popescu so welcome. [16:33]
keonne thank you [16:33]
bounce re earlier topic, I rather think plenty poor management gets to hang on and management in general is overvalued because we don't know how to properly value management, or even properly evaluate management outcomes, for that matter. [16:33]
mircea_popescu bounce one aspect of it's pesky tendency not to lend itself to the scientific method well [16:33]
mircea_popescu its* [16:34]
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bounce not directly, no. there's ways, though. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu maybe. [16:37]
mircea_popescu just like the deceitful whore doesn't lend herself to marriage, [16:37]
mircea_popescu but "there are ways". [16:37]
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bounce actually, more like the other way around: management fundamentally deals with people so scientific method has a hard time with it, but moreover too many in management don't even try [16:37]
mircea_popescu well that's also true. [16:37]
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mircea_popescu anyway, brb cause im writing an article then we can beat it more. [16:38]
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peterl is Havelock SMG convertible to actual shares of S.MG? [16:50]
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peterl aha, to answer my own question, yes, but it costs 1 btc per transfer ... I don't think there is enough volume to make arbitrage worthwhile [16:52]
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Apocalyptic truffles, btw you're on the permaban list of -otc since August 24th, what did you do ? [16:57]
truffles called a mod a pussy or something [16:57]
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Apocalyptic lol [16:57]
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truffles he was crying about how he has to be on the phone forever etc [16:58]
truffles i was like maybe u should really commit to bitcoin [16:58]
truffles he got defensive [16:58]
truffles i forget the rest [16:58]
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Apocalyptic looks like it was coingenuity [16:59]
truffles that douche [16:59]
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mircea_popescu [17:30]
ozbot Let’s try and understand this “no such thing as bad publicity” thing. pe Trilema - Un blog de [17:30]
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keonne superfluous 'a' in the second paragraph after 'inept' [17:34]
truffles pretty sure there's more n migtve missed :D [17:35]
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keonne yeah it doesnt bother me, just figured extra proofreaders wouldnt hurt :) [17:36]
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truffles its prob a mindfield of them though [17:37]
truffles so if u start with that 1 heh [17:37]
keonne lol [17:38]
mircea_popescu keonne actually before very :D [17:38]
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mircea_popescu fixt ty. [17:38]
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keonne ok work finished - au revoir! [17:38]
mircea_popescu lol [17:38]
mircea_popescu now i can finally get to the best part of my day, [17:39]
mircea_popescu reading teh logs here. [17:39]
truffles rly? [17:39]
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mircea_popescu truffles dun worry, nobody's monitoring you. [17:41]
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truffles im special ! [17:41]
everclear mircea_popescu: [17:41]
mircea_popescu everclear what's that ? [17:42]
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everclear Mentality of your critics [17:42]
mircea_popescu it's a bizarre collection, that forum. [17:43]
truffles oh i didnt know extradition was an option hmm [17:43]
everclear :) [17:43]
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mircea_popescu truffles it's good you have the internet, because you can thus acquire even more parts you don't understand to build even larger the pile of dysfunctional junk that is your brain. [17:44]
truffles internet, i know its the best thing ever [17:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves thestringpuller [17:45]
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truffles "This man is clearly a bit unhinged. He has no sense of objective reality" hehe [17:46]
mircea_popescu who, putin ? [17:47]
truffles no silly u [17:47]
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mircea_popescu but the leaders of the sheeple bleating this nonsense on the forum said the same thing about the man that spanked them. [17:47]
mircea_popescu i guess they in the end deserve each other. [17:47]
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chetty is that forum page a guy talking to himself? sure sounds like it [17:48]
mircea_popescu when forumanon says of mp what obama&co say of putin, we know we're living in the best of possible worlds. [17:48]
mircea_popescu chetty the irony here is that whether he is actually physically distinct from the next derp or not makes little difference. stupidity is quite fungible. [17:49]
chetty ah - hahahaha [17:49]
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mircea_popescu jurov lol seriously, random guy out of nowhere "has made teh policez" ? how very meek of him :D [17:50]
mircea_popescu punkman are you like on a special list or something ? where do you find all this stuff ? [17:50]
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truffles the US "gave" the internet to the world so will it be as easy to seize domains? [17:51]
chetty I want to know why someone would want to 'win points with us regulators', but I won't dirty my hands actually posting on that [17:51]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell moiety localbitcoins had some technology-enthusiastic policemen pull some "sting operations", which were kinda lulzy in their braindead stupidity but probably spelled out actual financial and emotional pain for the unfortunate parties to get involved in the bureaucracy's quest to justify its continued existence. i imagine it's gone as a result. [17:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:52]
truffles gotta let them wet their beaks [17:52]
punkman mircea_popescu: i have these episodes every couple of days, I see URLs in my epileptic visions [17:52]
punkman how about these dudes, [17:53]
mircea_popescu punkman you're the most gifted person i know. [17:53]
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punkman also I think this is topace, amirite topace? [17:53]
mircea_popescu "The CEO of GreenBank has over 40 years experience investing in small caps" [17:53]
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mircea_popescu [17:55]
ozbot Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C [17:55]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy. [17:55]
punkman yeah mining that gold [17:55]
mircea_popescu QUOTE: "This is why the term "fictitious profits", definitely applies. [17:55]
mircea_popescu [17:55]
ozbot Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C [17:55]
punkman they got like 5 of those [17:55]
mircea_popescu hard to call, really, because the minerals exploration business (as discussed previously here) is kinda builty to work like this and there do exist occasional legitimate corps that get the brush treatment anyway [17:56]
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mircea_popescu still... i wouldn't trust the guy just on the grounds he exists. [17:56]
truffles punkman but where'd he go to skool! [17:56]
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mircea_popescu punkman incidentally, why not make yourself a career out of this ? [17:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you've the time, would be interesting to hear more re: the fate of the engineers. [17:57]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform shoot ? [17:57]
asciilifeform [17:58]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:58]
mircea_popescu i'm just here waiting for people to type, not busy in any sense not able to go anywhere, life of dreamz. [17:58]
punkman mircea_popescu: I do some paid work collecting data, research, etc [17:58]
truffles confined to the home already mp [17:58]
mircea_popescu punkman srsly, make a blog, write up one of these a day, each day, for a year. [17:58]
mircea_popescu if by that year you're not fucking thankful you started, you may negrate me in all fairness. [17:58]
truffles this is one pleasing to the eye resume for sure [17:58]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers. [17:59]
mircea_popescu increasing the engineer's pay does not increase the number of turkeys. [17:59]
mircea_popescu it does however stress the distribution of turkeys, if nothing else then because new price tags keep having to be printed. [17:59]
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mircea_popescu tis all. [17:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they way i understood it, the sv folks aren't actually paying engineers in particular. they're paying the real estate industry to (inefficiently) house them. [18:00]
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mircea_popescu a valid approach, yes. [18:00]
asciilifeform because they, for some odd reason, demand a ridiculous geographic concentration of engineers [18:00]
mircea_popescu efficiency is a COO not a CFO job. in other words, you don't reduce it financially [18:00]
mircea_popescu (you may at most increase it, but only somewhat) [18:00]
asciilifeform they might perhaps be better off 'vertically integrating' the housing bit [18:01]
mircea_popescu s/efficiency/inefficiency [18:01]
mircea_popescu well that's where they're headed. [18:01]
asciilifeform like chinese dormitories. [18:01]
mircea_popescu yoiu have to consider the history : only very recently have tech companies become "Respectable" [18:01]
asciilifeform the most frustrating part is the folly of the engineers, who salivate after the '$300k sv job' [18:01]
mircea_popescu buffett still does not invest in them because, politely, "he doesn't understand them", but factually "not in his wot" [18:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why ? the 16 yo should salivate after the cock. [18:02]
asciilifeform as if the money is actually their own, and not simply put in their hands for a few minutes to salivate over. [18:02]
mircea_popescu what else in this world is there for her to salivate for ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu so anyway : only recently has tech become respectable, and as such it couldn't historically afford the huge bezzle-usd load of owning real estate outright. [18:02]
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mircea_popescu it's getting there, and soon sv will be in fact chinese dormitory style. [18:03]
asciilifeform much of what the chumpers 'buying' houses in usa are paying for could be had for considerably smaller cost - e.g. physical security, caste isolation, etc. [18:04]
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asciilifeform if it were vertically integrated [18:04]
asciilifeform as in 19th c. 'company town' [18:04]
mircea_popescu sure. to take things from yet another angle : you're familiar with greenspun's analysis of why women don't go into science. [18:05]
asciilifeform certainly. (i did link it here once) [18:05]
mircea_popescu the same shall soon apply to tech, we're witnessing a "professorisation" and "tenurisation" of tech. [18:05]
chetty asciilifeform, but but we must have diversity [18:05]
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mircea_popescu soon it's going to cost you money to be "working for google" [18:05]
mircea_popescu for the same reason most girls with great fuck videos PAY to participate. [18:05]
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mircea_popescu they can then use those on the stripper and prostitution circuits as extras "cause we're pornstars" [18:05]
mircea_popescu much in the manner hearn is using his "i was at google" thing. [18:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a kind of phase transition ahead, when it begins to cost more to 'work for google' than... it pays [18:06]
mircea_popescu which is the deep reason for the [18:06]
asciilifeform where is the fool supposed to unearth the difference [18:06]
mircea_popescu hopefully he has rich parents. [18:07]
asciilifeform lol [18:07]
mircea_popescu but if not, there's always credit. [18:07]
mircea_popescu you remember my story with the jewish money lender taking a painting and other payment in kind for debt ? [18:07]
asciilifeform oh yes [18:07]
mircea_popescu so : the bezzle fundamentally is born out of and exists for the following reason : [18:08]
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mircea_popescu while your ability to pay is finite, you being finite, your ability to underwrite credit is not finite. [18:08]
mircea_popescu the difference between these two is, obviously... your painting. [18:08]
mircea_popescu there's a very good fundamental reason to extend credit you know will never be repaid. [18:08]
mircea_popescu i did it myself, and quite publicly at that. remember the patrick harnett case ? [18:09]
asciilifeform this is, arguably, the oldest form of credit? [18:09]
mircea_popescu his asshole was the point going in. [18:09]
mircea_popescu indeed. [18:09]
asciilifeform mr. dirt digger's horse dies. his neighbour lends him horse. 'now pay 1/4 of your crop, forever' [18:09]
BrockH MY HORSE!?! [18:10]
mircea_popescu now, when people such as me say the us agencies will have to learn to play ball or not exist, [18:10]
mircea_popescu people like me refer to a very specific thing. [18:10]
asciilifeform of course, there's a flip side to playing this game. eventually mr. dirt invents dekulakization. [18:10]
mircea_popescu the us has borrowed past what it can repay. [18:10]
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mircea_popescu let me explain something about this dekulakization concept. [18:11]
mircea_popescu you familiar with buffett pretending taxes "at the top" aren't high enough, and with gates donating his fortune to "good causes" and so on ? [18:12]
asciilifeform technical term, i believe, is 'conspicuous benevolence' [18:12]
mircea_popescu not at all. [18:12]
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mircea_popescu buffett structures the hell out of his deals to avoid taxation. [18:12]
asciilifeform game theoretically 'dishonest signal' [18:12]
mircea_popescu however, there exists a center of people who can't afford good tax shelters, and who could, if left undisturbed, come to one day challenge him. [18:13]
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mircea_popescu see, the fact that i made the fu berkshire bet and the fact i pay about 2.85% a year on average are related. [18:13]
mircea_popescu i can accumulate. the average middle class guy in the chumpatron, can not. [18:13]
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mircea_popescu buffett merely aims to keep it this way : high taxes means jack shit to him [18:13]
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mircea_popescu other than "stansislav won't be the next buffett" [18:13]
mircea_popescu that he likes. [18:13]
asciilifeform lul [18:13]
mircea_popescu now, dekulakization is EXACTLY the same. [18:14]
mircea_popescu it doth not hurt the rich [18:14]
mircea_popescu it hurts the average who could in principle one day hurt the rich. [18:14]
mircea_popescu it's a middle pruning control strategy, the exact equiv of raising taxes "for social good" [18:14]
mircea_popescu sure, a tree with no middle one day collapses. but until such a day... [18:15]
asciilifeform can't see how anyone who ever so much as set foot in the u.s. could disagree here. [18:15]
mircea_popescu so that'd be that. [18:15]
jurov << dexX7 but i never got the same address from brainwallet as was actually used [18:15]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [18:15]
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dexX7 hm let me test it [18:17]
mircea_popescu and this actually comes to the core of the ideological opposition here. i simply do not like this "no middle" burned ground crap. [18:17]
mircea_popescu first off who the fuck is threatened by smart young people ?! and second off... jesus fuck i've seen their lives and their dens, they're boring and dismal. [18:17]
mircea_popescu i dunno who the fuck could bear to live there, that way. [18:17]
dexX7 jurov: works actually [18:17]
asciilifeform speaking of dekulakization: has anyone considered the 'partizans' hypothesis re: the dead JPM folks? [18:17]
bounce "hold on to what you got"-reflex? [18:17]
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bounce it takes real guts to just let be in such a situation [18:18]
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dexX7 jurov: in case you are looking for a general "get addr from msg+sig" you may take a look at: [18:20]
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jurov ok if it works, ima find/make py equivalent [18:27]
topace punkman: no, you are not right. its widely known what my name is [18:28]
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jurov anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately [18:30]
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dexX7 true. and especially with there were significant problems [18:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} [18:34]
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dexX7 [18:35]
ozbot Contact and Credentials | Bingo Blog [18:35]
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mircea_popescu a final curlique on the dekulakization topic. asciilifeform you familiar with how socrates died ? [18:40]
jurov BingoBoingo signed messages should be protected as much as possible from mucking by blogging software [18:40]
mircea_popescu jurov> anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately <<< this, very much so. [18:40]
jurov if it can't do just add there .txt to download [18:41]
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dexX7 yea, i'm not sure what the issue was, but brainwallet somehow had a problem with a special character in the message [18:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00098775 = 6.691 BTC [+] {2} [18:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3776 @ 0.00099003 = 3.7384 BTC [+] {2} [18:43]
bounce anything non-ascii is easily a problem. which is endless fun since various utf-8-ised s/w likes to insert fancy replacements for basic things like apostrophes that then get mangled in interesting ways in transit [18:46]
bounce s/since/even in english &/ [18:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 450 @ 0.00026 = 0.117 BTC [+] [18:47]
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dexX7 yea true. but you need to differentiate between the underlying "signing of some binary data" and an application on top which is used by humans. the later one would benefit from ascii only + some delimiter etc. [18:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+] [18:52]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0349 = 0.1047 BTC [+] [18:53]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: socrates - sure [18:58]
asciilifeform who isn't [18:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.20765824 BTC to 5`373 shares, 41088 satoshi per share [18:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054 = 0.162 BTC [-] [19:05]
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robwhiz22 Good afternoon. [19:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00099036 = 13.1718 BTC [+] {3} [19:09]
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keonne If this weren’t the case you’d have probably seen good numbers of fourteen year old pasty ass boys from Ohio and Connecticut running away from home to “become Cowboys!!!” only to end up the cum rag of some hobo or other. [19:15]
keonne i think i love you mircea_popescu mircea_popescu [19:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0056 = 0.2632 BTC [-] {4} [19:17]
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keonne thats a very good piece ( [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00550218 = 1.6507 BTC [-] {9} [19:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.054 = 0.54 BTC [-] [19:19]
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bounce -- ``The FXBTC exchange has posted a notice saying that it received the instruction by telephone [...]'' just call up, say you're PBOC, and tell'em to shed customers. done! [19:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform do tell. [19:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as described in 'dialogues' ? [19:23]
asciilifeform am i missing something? [19:23]
mircea_popescu i dunno dood, as you know the story, tell it to me. [19:23]
mircea_popescu keonne :p [19:24]
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asciilifeform 'corrupting the youth', hemlock/exile, hemlock, 'give a chicken for asclepius for me', 'drink this & walk around a bit', croaks [19:24]
mircea_popescu you don't like telling stories do you ? [19:24]
asciilifeform damn i'm no good at this 'crib sheet' business [19:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, yes, but an alternative retelling would be something like this : [19:25]
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mircea_popescu socrates spent his life empowering the youth with the tools of the mind. once htey came of age that youth turned around and took over the city, ie, the world. [19:25]
mircea_popescu then they proceeded to implement their very own, context-adequate version of taxation/dekulakization : they ordered the citizenry to commit murders [19:26]
mircea_popescu so that nobody could safely extricate himself from their lot. [19:26]
mircea_popescu the outrage was eventually their undoing, they were banished, socrates was identified as the guilty party, one removed. [19:26]
mircea_popescu dekulakization is nothing novel. [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03410999 = 0.3411 BTC [-] {3} [19:27]
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mircea_popescu in this perspective, socrates is rightfully indifferent to any hemlock. [19:28]
keonne Your credits for paid content isn't counting down properly [19:28]
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mircea_popescu keonne that's a very bad bug report. [19:28]
keonne but I purchased my 10000 credits anyway [19:28]
keonne yes it was, mostly because i wasnt aiming to file a bug, rather, alert you that you should fix your shit [19:28]
mircea_popescu ... [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10256 @ 0.00098614 = 10.1139 BTC [-] [19:29]
mircea_popescu in other news, your wife is cheating on you. [19:29]
keonne lol [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03360003 = 0.504 BTC [-] {3} [19:30]
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keonne I appreciated that feedback though - as it is clear you arent trying to get as much out of me as you can to make your product better [19:30]
keonne i was pretty successful slinging dope anyway [19:31]
mircea_popescu lol no but seriously, what am i fixing and how's it broken. [19:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4661 @ 0.00098415 = 4.5871 BTC [-] [19:32]
keonne okay - I've read more than 5 articles today, however the counter says I have four articles remaining. Now about my browser config, cookies are set to destruct after tab close and javascript doesn't run unless I authorize it [19:33]
mircea_popescu you get 5 free each week, and 4 extras permanently. [19:33]
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robwhiz22 Hello, Mirceau. [19:33]
robwhiz22 You wrote me: "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode. Both me [19:33]
robwhiz22 and the chief engineer idle there." [19:33]
keonne Then my reading comprehension sucks [19:33]
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keonne is what we learned [19:33]
mircea_popescu there's no javascript involved in any sense. [19:33]
robwhiz22 May I write to you on private message? [19:33]
mircea_popescu robwhiz22 please don't. [19:33]
keonne Im assuming ill have to whitelist trilema to not self destruct cookies to keep my credit session alive without having to log in every time [19:34]
mircea_popescu you wouldn't want either to rob yourself of the collective wisdom of this space, nor to rob the history of same of your valuable contributions [19:34]
mircea_popescu keonne that's entirely up to you :) [19:34]
keonne voila - thanks for quick processing [19:35]
keonne come on robwhiz22 i'm waiting in anticipation here [19:35]
mircea_popescu every customer either raped or satisfied within one hour. [19:35]
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keonne hah [19:36]
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robwhiz22 mircea_popescu, I submitted a specific, private, proposal to you last week. [19:37]
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robwhiz22 mircea_popescu, and would appreciate a response to it. [19:37]
asciilifeform lol! [19:38]
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mircea_popescu in other news, the commanding officer of the romanian special forum-extraditions-and-other-lulz unit invited me to his daughter's bar mitzvah unexpectedly. [19:50]
mircea_popescu so catch y'all later [19:50]
keonne bat [19:51]
keonne bar for boys [19:51]
keonne have fun [19:51]
keonne lol [19:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-] [19:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2611 @ 0.00023732 = 0.6196 BTC [-] {9} [20:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10863 @ 0.00098186 = 10.6659 BTC [-] {4} [20:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.049 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} [20:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03251428 = 0.2276 BTC [-] {2} [20:24]
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benkay ?? [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00016491 = 0.2968 BTC [+] {5} [20:25]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 450 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3998 BTC [+] {3} [20:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088843 = 0.2221 BTC [+] [20:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5287 @ 0.00097926 = 5.1773 BTC [-] [20:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2} [20:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0002792 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5} [20:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03185 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {2} [20:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0310625 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {3} [20:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [-] [21:05]
jurov i'd say mp is trollin [21:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+] [21:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00098415 = 12.1543 BTC [+] [21:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+] [21:13]
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benkay reputation/publicity/money [21:25]
benkay oen cannot create money [21:26]
benkay one can only build a reputation over time [21:26]
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chairman_meow !jd [21:26]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 15357 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 986.73 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered [21:26]
chairman_meow !help [21:26]
assbot List of commands: [21:26]
assbot !ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} [21:26]
assbot !last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} [21:26]
assbot !mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) [21:26]
assbot !rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} [21:26]
assbot !exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} [21:26]
assbot !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from [21:26]
assbot !bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b} [21:26]
assbot !quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} [21:26]
thestringpuller is benkay still here? [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.02755619 = 1.0196 BTC [-] {9} [21:28]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [21:34]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 457.74, Best ask: 460.46, Bid-ask spread: 2.72000, Last trade: 460.57, 24 hour volume: 6286.91152494, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 457.170183167 [21:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] [21:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.049032 = 0.2452 BTC [-] {4} [21:37]
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thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [21:47]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096086 / 0.00097429 / 0.0009904 (493769 shares, 481.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095284 / 0.0009904 (6446783 shares, 6,142.79 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00089172 / 0.0009904 (28076230 shares, 25,036.18 BTC) [21:47]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.bbet [21:47]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00049074 / 0.00059 (12152 shares, 5.96 BTC) [21:47]
thestringpuller ;;calc 4248 * 0.00056000 [21:49]
gribble 2.37888 [21:49]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.2 * 0.00056000 [21:50]
gribble 0.000112 [21:50]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.2 / 0.00056000 [21:50]
gribble 357.142857143 [21:50]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.5 / 0.00056000 [21:50]
gribble 892.857142857 [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028681 = 0.2868 BTC [+] {2} [21:52]
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thestringpuller ;;calc 800 * 0.00000146 [22:01]
gribble 0.001168 [22:01]
thestringpuller ;;calc 2000 * 0.00000146 [22:01]
gribble 0.00292 [22:01]
thestringpuller ;;calc 5000 * 0.00000146 [22:01]
gribble 0.0073 [22:01]
thestringpuller ;;calc 6000 * 0.00000146 [22:01]
gribble 0.00876 [22:01]
thestringpuller ;;calc 10000 * 0.00000146 [22:01]
gribble 0.0146 [22:01]
thestringpuller ;;calc 20000 * 0.00000146 [22:02]
gribble 0.0292 [22:02]
thestringpuller ;;calc 172 / 1000000000 [22:05]
gribble 1.72e-07 [22:05]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.000000172 [22:05]
gribble 1.72e-07 [22:05]
thestringpuller ;;calc 900 / 1000000000 [22:06]
gribble 9e-07 [22:06]
thestringpuller ;;calc 900 / 1000000000 [22:07]
gribble 9e-07 [22:07]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.00000090 [22:07]
gribble 9e-07 [22:07]
thestringpuller ;;calc 68 / 1000000000 [22:07]
gribble 6.8e-08 [22:07]
thestringpuller ;;calc 0.00000034 * 50 [22:08]
gribble 1.7e-05 [22:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.02649356 = 1.1127 BTC [-] {15} [22:08]
thestringpuller i totally thought this was pm with bot since it's so dead @_@ my bad ya'll [22:09]
benkay hey thestringpuller [22:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04800003 = 0.144 BTC [+] {2} [22:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.02705216 = 0.6222 BTC [+] {4} [22:16]
thestringpuller hey benkay [22:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.02583002 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {3} [22:19]
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benkay yo yo yo [22:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00028681 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} [22:26]
mircea_popescu ahh that wasnt so bad. [22:27]
mircea_popescu keonne that was part of the joke see. [22:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03121428 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {2} [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00097916 = 4.5041 BTC [-] {2} [22:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 342 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3038 BTC [+] [22:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00016572 = 0.1019 BTC [-] [22:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04720003 = 0.1416 BTC [-] [22:33]
chairman_meow !jd [22:33]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 15362 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 987.08 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered [22:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03126 = 0.1876 BTC [+] [22:34]
chairman_meow what do you think of just-dice? [22:34]
thestringpuller better than satoshi dice lol [22:35]
mircea_popescu doog's okay, site's backed by a good idea, tracking under ev for a while and maybe slacking a little in volume lately. [22:37]
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decimation mircea_popescu: dekulakization is nothing novel. << moldbug points out that FDR had the same motivations [22:41]
decimation "Nor was FDR, as commonly asserted, a "traitor to his class" - anything but it. FDR's beliefs, or at least his speeches (in one so seldom praised for candor, the inference of any actual conviction is at best an exercise of imagination) can indeed be studied as almost perfect reflections of the intellectual fashions of America's apex upper class, the socialite-socialist aristocracy. These fashions have changed somewhat since 1933, but not that [22:41]
decimation much." [22:41]
mircea_popescu right. [22:43]
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decimation one can sympathize with the impulse of the rich and powerful to keep the middle down, if only so that they are the only yacht-owners in the harbor [22:44]
bounce "'merkin crusty upper crust is crusty", or what? [22:44]
bounce shades of pterry's small gods. get unlimited power, spend it on garden gnomes. [22:45]
mircea_popescu i srsly dun see it. [22:47]
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bounce oh probably differen title, actualy. mort, I think. [22:49]
bounce it's a matter of attitude. why even bother spend any effort, money, whatever, on keeping the (not that uncultured part of the) plebs down? so many other things you could do with your wealth and power. what do you value? well, those values apparently aren't that highfalutin', after all. [22:51]
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bounce to some it's not merely necessary to win, but for others to lose. turn a non-zero-sum game into a zero-sum game, why don't you. [22:53]
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mircea_popescu bounce that's only half of it. suppose you have a daughter. who's she to marry ? [22:54]
mircea_popescu suppose your wife cheats. who's she gonna cheat with ? [22:54]
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mircea_popescu suppose you wanna go fucking watch a ball game or actually, strike that [22:54]
thestringpuller jurov: deposits [22:55]
mircea_popescu suppose you'd rather do something else with your free time than having to write fucking books because everyone else is too retarded to write the books on their own and they just flock to the fucking gamew instead [22:55]
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bounce gamification ftw [22:55]
mircea_popescu i can't even begin to imagine anyone'd actually want to be stuck having to do everything by hand because well nobody else does because nobody else can because they fucked it all up. [22:57]
mircea_popescu sounds fucking aeschil-esque, this shit. [22:57]
thestringpuller the people who can't write books shouldn't write books... [22:57]
punkman aeschylesque? [22:59]
mircea_popescu yes. [22:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, whenbever that idiocy breaks down you get a renaissance, it's uncanny. [22:59]
bounce what? you're rich and powerful. you could hire a competent writer, or ten, and only keep the best one or two books [22:59]
mircea_popescu people' fucking irrational fear of people being ironically the most notable obstacle for those same people. [23:00]
mircea_popescu bounce why should i hire them at all. why aren't they hiring me. [23:00]
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bounce whatever you think important, eh. [23:04]
mircea_popescu no but did da pope hire da vinci or did da vinci hire the pope [23:07]
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decimation da vinci was in the pope's wot [23:08]
mircea_popescu partly because the pope was quite inefficient at either taxing or dekulakizing him out of existence. [23:09]
mircea_popescu i really should say "regulate" instead of "taxing" but anyway. [23:09]
mircea_popescu so suppose he were much more efficient at it. he had more money therefore. and now he could hire... condolezza rice. [23:10]
mircea_popescu to tell him about how "nobody could have drawn a rocket on the wall it just couldn't have been done" [23:10]
mircea_popescu derpyherp and tyvm. [23:10]
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bounce what ties leo x to necessarily have an adversarial motivation towards da vinci? [23:14]
bounce though I don't think da vinci properly classifies as upper middle class in context [23:16]
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