Forum logs for 05 Jun 2018
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2018/when-cherri-met-rae-rae-also-met-cherri/ << Trilema - When Cherri met Rae, Rae also met Cherri | [06:00] |
| deedbot: | http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/072-trilemabot-i.html << The Tar Pit - trilemabot [i]: introduction and self-voicing patch proposal | [08:10] |
| spyked: | ^ comments, suggestions, tomatoes and eggs are more than welcome. | [08:11] |
| spyked: | my next steps will be, in order: 1. add prefixed commands to trilemabot (and publish) 2. add (and publish) command and parsing for !!gettrust queries (required for rss bot access control) 3. rebase current rss bot on trilemabot and add access control 4. bring rss bot in #trilema 5. publish rss bot code | [08:15] |
| spyked: | step 5 will probably need to be broken into multiple sub-steps, since I will have to also publish a rss parser first, then a rss bot design document, and only then the code. | [08:18] |
| spyked: | aaaand rssbot code currently weighs circa 400LoC, so I'ma probably also have to break that into testable pieces. not sure yet. | [08:19] |
| spyked: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-04-jun-2018#2445183 <-- indeed it does, and precisely because of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820603 . I don't know how to design a proper comment mechanism, not necessarily because of spam (I believe mp-wp antispam works), but because I'm not convinced that everyone coming on the blog should be able to leave comments, and if they do, then what format (text-only?) etc. | [08:31] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-04 17:35 phf: i think someone else here had a lisp implementation, but that one lacked comments entirely | [08:31] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-04 17:36 mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, it's not ~just~ mp-wp that's an eyesore here. in truth it's our whole relationship to the www that's at issue. | [08:31] |
| spyked: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-04#1820568 <-- I also suspect that that's much of the cost of "works". leaving comments aside, thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface (an item such as e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-15#1799520 would have to be done the old-fashioned way, moving the files manually or through ssh and maybe script this somehow, but it would be a *separate* piece of | [08:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-04 17:26 mircea_popescu: phf, it also has the advantage that it works, and VERY well. which to my knowledge is not true of any other piece of web software (alf's complaints notwithstanding, phuctor emergent codebase may qualify) | [08:39] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-04-15 04:19 mircea_popescu: hanbot / everyone : speaking of patches for mp-wp, here's something i'd dearly love : a MASS uploader. so you don't have to upload files one by one in the webinterface. | [08:39] |
| spyked: | scaffolding), a xml-rpc handling mechanism, and many many others that the wp user may find useful it has no dedicated db, the db is the filesystem no web-based editor, etc. | [08:39] |
| spyked: | plus, I tried at some point to bring in server-side dynamic content ( http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html ), but the cost of all those dependencies is still (from my pov too) big. | [08:43] |
| spyked: | in other work: does anyone object to my taking the next available prefix in http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html for spykedbot? !S fits it quite well. | [08:46] |
| spyked: | I'm reserving another bot for the rss functionality. but I want to use spykedbot to make a small trilemabot example for implementing prefixed commands. spoiler: I have some code that looks up definitions in asciilifeform's ro-en dictionary ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 ), it's the smallest application that I could find that also does something useful. | [08:49] |
| BingoBoingo: | In local tard fights https://www.elobservador.com.uy/una-empresa-iba-quedarse-el-monopolio-cobro-bolsas-plasticas-aplazan-proyecto-n1239018 | [10:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | Plan de disponibilidad: El Ministerio de Vivienda (Mvotma) deberá elaborar un plan para la inmediata disponibilidad de las bolsas plásticas y el Ministerio de Industria con coordinación con el Mvotma elaborará un programa para facilitar la reconversión de la industria nacional de bolsas. | [10:25] |
| mod6: | mornin' | [10:35] |
| BingoBoingo: | mornin | [10:38] |
| mod6: | how's it goin? | [10:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | Not bad | [10:45] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/06/colombia-joining-nato-as-a-global-partner/ << Qntra - Colombia Joining NATO As A "Global Partner" | [11:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | spyked, that was relievingly breif. | [12:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/src/trilemabot/ however does not seem to resolve ? | [12:20] |
| phf: | resolves to 82.79.58.192 for me | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | now i see it. | [12:38] |
| phf: | i like trinque's approach of publishing deeded hosts, requires vigilance on part of log reader, but at the end there's a canonical place we can fallback to, in case | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. his intuition is correct, eventually will grow into gns. | [12:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | spyked, the first portion is interesting imo. why shouldn't anyone be able to live comments ? something in the vein of "if every tree was carved any time anyone on the trail thought about some girl, we'd have toothpick forests" ? | [12:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | commentary is the heart of the european intellectual tradition originally it seemed like such a step forward to have this commentary sorted by subject rather than, in the old style, by author. and the technology allowing it seemed genuinely revolutionary for this reason, exactly in the vein of plumbing. | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | these days... | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | "thetarpit blog scaffolding is a few kLoC of CL, but lacks *any* editor-side interface" << understand something : i publish more than anyone, and by anyone we don't mean solo operators, we mean whole fucking outfits. there's a reason for this. the fact that trilema is comfortable to me provides those last edges of extra productivity and intellectual leverage that convert exceptional performance into mindblowing performance. t | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | his is not a small matter, but in fact the only large matter. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | in short, that's a ~HUMONGOUS~ cost, if the "mechanical support" alters the result from + to -. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's coffee machines that make you not really want any coffee. this is not merely a bad coffee machine. | [12:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | you wanna drive cars that make you love driving and wanting to drive, not jalopys that encourage you sitting on the couch. and the same for everything everywhere. the stories about kids ruined for school because couldn't see and no glasses aren't made up, this was the scourge of a generation. and on it goes. | [12:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | spyked, !S it is. | [12:58] |
| phf: | i think anti-comment is a recent (3-4 years) argument, started by a bunch of "high profile bloggers", who, after running into some heavy polemic, turned off the comments on their sites. the argument was then picked up by the various "minimalist" blogging systems (we can't be arsed to implement comments, but kottke said they are useless anyway) | [13:02] |
| asciilifeform: | relatedly, mircea_popescu-was-right(tm)(r), asciilifeform's blog nao has a broken stump instead of working commentron, because google's captcha crapola finally gave up the ghost, and nao i gotta figure out how to port mircea_popescu's routine... | [13:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf, it's recurrent, basically very much the http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ issue | [13:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: dangling em in the footnotes | [13:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | "high profile bloggers" figure status and performance should be divorceable. this happens about 2-3 times every decade, with a new crop of "high profile bloggers" who a) misjudge their status and b) figure they'll discover shit. | [13:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | for when cherri met rae | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ti's very much highschooler syndrome. "oh, i guess we're the seniors now" "why ?" "do you see any other seniors in the cafeteria ?" "well, not in the cafeteria you go to" "word." | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform, not like i didn't WARN YOU!!11 | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | ty ben_vulpes | [13:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | btw, i hope that's adequate payment for all the j/p spam ? | [13:17] |
| ben_vulpes: | suuure boss | [13:20] |
| phf: | well, it's how many childhood games have the notion of a charm, a special word that gives you coveted status, without further strife. "base", "not it", "shotgun", etc. likewise the idea that once you're king, it's just wine and dancing girls for the rest of your life. the labeling game on which the whole house of cards is built. | [13:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. but it's so mean, you know, "oh, if we turn off comments then nobody will be able to rise to the top anymore ha-HA!!! we figured out something fundamental here!" | [13:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's this specific breakage, the web keeps exposing. there's apparently two ends to the pendulum : on one hand, the net routes around damage on the other hand, the more it does that, the more excited the damage gets about getting in the way. | [13:22] |
| deedbot: | http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/06/05/the-lack-of-dust-a-very-euloran-problem/ << Ossasepia - The Lack of Dust A Very Euloran Problem | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | hence imbecile nonsense a la "paywall garden". because no, steve jobs ain't no fucking genius, he came up with the exact same idiocy every group of idle 18yos came up with. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | why the fuck would people who ~fundamentally disenjoy~ something nevertheless want to be "high profile" in it... this part is incomprehensible. really, talking to people is something you dislike doing and then you figure you wanna be a "high profile blogger" ? "yes mp, because it's all about shaping the landscape, not enjoying the landscape". right ? fucktard mcdullardson is going to ~improve~ upon how the world works. | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and their improvements always are the same tired old farmwife bs. | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | and this is not something they ever notice. and so fucking on, bleah. | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | whatever, ima depress myself at this rate. | [13:27] |
| phf: | well, it's the old age comes for us all, none of them want to be césar luciani, and very few prepared to knowingly don the armor one last time and die under the hail of arrows so to speak. (and i'm giving them a lot of credit here as far as how they lived to begin with) | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | this'd be the problem. yes in the old days there was the lich and all that discussion. but fucking mind you that koschei was A WARRIOR in his fucking youth. | [13:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | not the guy in the drown, father, drown story. | [13:33] |
| phf: | http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc. | [14:49] |
| phf: | mircea_popescu, asciilifeform ^ | [14:50] |
| phf: | on the other hand http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_comments-fix is still rendered the usual way | [15:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | this may work. | [15:15] |
| asciilifeform: | in other lulz, crapple proclaims nomoar support for opengl on their 'os' | [15:36] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/06/miss-america-pageant-no-longer-a-pageant-or-about-beautiful-women/ << Qntra - Miss America Pageant No Longer A Pageant Or About Beautiful Women | [16:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | ^ In still other lulz | [16:41] |
| deedbot: | http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/06/05/how-i-have-been-evaluating-securability-of-various-properties/ << Bingo Blog - How I Have Been Evaluating Securability Of Various Properties | [19:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: is there a selection anchor missing from the key link? | [19:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | ben_vulpes: No, the point is that it is a giant, visually impressive style of key, but the lock parts it engages with are palpable with the tip of the pinky finger. | [19:21] |
| BingoBoingo: | Key has disease of Latino capitalist | [19:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | Hay dildos de sexos mas pequeños que estas llaves. | [19:23] |
| ben_vulpes: | i felt the same way about the keys in buenos aires | [19:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | Likely the same disease | [19:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | place i rented had the weirdest damn nonstick pan: it had a nonstick coating but then an elevated metal grate atop the coating | [19:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | i could not fathom. | [19:24] |
| ben_vulpes: | (nor do i know how i'd have cleaned the thing, had i tried to use it) | [19:25] |
| BingoBoingo: | I have a pretty good idea of which corners of the feria the kitchen will be outfitted from. | [19:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes, possibly for deepfrying. | [20:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | BingoBoingo, seperation << it's separation you know. | [21:11] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-05#1820776 << i randomly picked one of the items to read, and choked on the riotously long lines | [21:37] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-05 18:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis so here's one possible solution, for mp-wp genesis instead of listing hunks inline, i link them to separate pages: http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/default_avatar.png.svg etc. | [21:37] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: right, not all of the svgs have multiline base64. and you'll notice that some of the files have windows newlines. i think mp-wp codebase is the one that would benefit the most from the autoformat tool discussed in logs.. | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | indeed. | [21:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | layers and generations involved etc. | [21:47] |
| phf: | i ended up adding windows newline rendering support, which i'm rather pleased with, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/hunk/blog/.htaccess though the pressed version is still broken.. http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_genesis/tree/blog/.htaccess | [21:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [21:49] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: is the usb plug on ROC purely power, or it also does tty? | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform: | power | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | tty lives on 2 header pins | [21:53] |
| phf: | oh ty | [21:53] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: are you setting up a tabletop rockchip ? | [22:01] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: if you're using mine, you will need to fix the sshd config to permit root login ( see the TomServo thread ). i really oughta post an updated image. | [22:01] |
| lobbes: | spyked: updated with spykedbot call command >> http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html | [22:06] |
| phf: | heh, i need that scope feature, but also a better query parser. (from:TomServo) (from:ascii "sshd") scope:15 | [22:07] |
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