Forum logs for 01 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56815 @ 0.00030835 = 17.5189 BTC [-] {2}	[00:01]
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decimation	it could be rebuilt, but not without the resources of a rich prince	[00:03]
decimation	certainly not by hobbyists	[00:03]
asciilifeform	wake me up when there exists anything other than hobbyists in the space.	[00:04]
decimation	aye	[00:04]
decimation	what ever came of that startup that is re-writing bitcoin in go or whatever	[00:04]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-05-2015#1128353 << this.	[00:05]
assbot	Logged on 11-05-2015 20:00:50; mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."	[00:05]
decimation	heh	[00:05]
asciilifeform	the other basic observation is that bitcoin per se feeds no one	[00:06]
asciilifeform	and that no one ought to be surprised by this	[00:07]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143414	[00:07]
assbot	Logged on 22-05-2015 06:54:48; mircea_popescu: the idea here being that people wouldn't pay for a sane os for the same reason they won't payfor the sun.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	(buncha derps get fed by usg for pretending to operate in bitcoin; very different affair)	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35989 @ 0.00030647 = 11.0295 BTC [-] {2}	[00:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143424 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2015#1143425	[00:09]
assbot	Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:41; mircea_popescu: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry"	[00:09]
assbot	Logged on 22-05-2015 06:59:49; mircea_popescu: if th efield had needed such a thing, it wouldn't exist at all.	[00:09]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah it's true that 'selling os' is a terrible business	[00:10]
asciilifeform	no one will ever make a living, much less get rich, selling the sun.	[00:11]
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asciilifeform	why the hell would anyone pay anyone to, e.g., kill mosquitoes, when 'deadheads' who paid nothing still get the 'product' (avoiding bites) ?	[00:17]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[00:17]
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decimation	some people like to live in a civilized place, as opposed to barbarous	[00:18]
asciilifeform	this only goes so far	[00:18]
thestringpuller	anyone see anything about this project vault by google?	[00:19]
thestringpuller	suspiciously similar to cardano	[00:19]
asciilifeform	?	[00:19]
asciilifeform	can't wait for the usg cardano.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	(anyone recall 'clipper' ?)	[00:20]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: i'm seeing a microsd single-chip turd	[00:20]
asciilifeform	snore.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	'It also has an NFC chip and an antenna (for proving that you are in control and that it’s correctly authorized).' l0l!!!	[00:20]
asciilifeform	auditability? what's that.	[00:21]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: yea pretty much usg cardano, just didn't know if it had been discussed. now it has.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	for young people >> https://epic.org/crypto/clipper << the original usg cardano.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	the first time around, they made the mistake of being honest about the intentions of backdooring	[00:23]
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asciilifeform	http://opensource.com/government/15/2/us-government-retires-clipper-chip << not formally retracted as usg proclamation until 2015 !	[00:23]
asciilifeform	http://www.internethistorypodcast.com/2014/08/the-nsa-tried-this-before-what-the-90s-debate-over-the-clipper-chip-can-teach-us-about-digital-privacy-debates << moar on the subject. tabloid, but with pretty picturez.	[00:26]
decimation	asciilifeform: note that usg doesn't really need to be 'good', it's just that there's no credible alternative	[00:26]
asciilifeform	onetimepad with goose quill pens and dice is still more credible alternative than anything out of usg & co.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	at any rate, google is ripping off folks like https://www.nitrokey.com and the two or three similar items discussed in previous logs	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0003118 = 1.5902 BTC [+]	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	who needs documentation when you have live support << what's this, camwhoring for geeks ?	[00:32]
asciilifeform	Vexual: sd card with single-chip 'crypto coprocessor' (a la the atmel turd discussed a few months ago; possibly even the very same) - with extra holy water and marketing drivel included	[00:32]
Adlai	pretty much	[00:32]
Adlai	shellwhoring	[00:32]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller, decimation: whether snowden & co. started out as psyop or not, fact is that at this point it is 100% a marketing machine for 'vaults' and 'redpNohes' of a thousand and one kinds	[00:35]
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asciilifeform	Vexual: the only (usable) hole in a google pNohe	[00:36]
asciilifeform	hence the form factor.	[00:36]
asciilifeform	regardless of what kind of pig you might own, the hucksters will gladly sell you fourteen varieties of s333k0000r1ty!!!11 lipstick for it.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	country of fat stupid people with government issued money. of course everything will end up marketing.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	the entire french language is, in the us, a sort of marketing ploy.	[00:38]
decimation	heh yeah that's true	[00:38]
*	asciilifeform picks up phone, calls airline, asks to buy ticket to country where they have thin smart people with non-governmental money	[00:39]
*	mircea_popescu too.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	used to be russia, amusingly enough	[00:39]
asciilifeform	afaik they still have the 'thin' working	[00:39]
danielpbarron	;;later tell Luke-Jr hey look it's that game you like to play! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoldFvlYwyM	[00:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90856 @ 0.0003196 = 29.0376 BTC [+] {3}	[00:46]
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mircea_popescu	bwahahaha wait, there's derps actually writing on tardstalk like all seriously and naively and whatnot ?	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	jesus the internet's a riot.	[00:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.0003293 = 13.419 BTC [+]	[00:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46610 @ 0.00032626 = 15.207 BTC [-]	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149292 << /me greps for ben_vulpes in there, finds entry in title	[01:01]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 02:28:46; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	whatcher doin' these days yo ?	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.	[01:07]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java.	[01:08]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35.	[01:09]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists	[01:09]
decimation	that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	"In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff	[01:12]
decimation	in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	in this case, henry coanda.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	decimation o, they would, would they ?	[01:13]
decimation	'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things	[01:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2}	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	i said coanda	[01:14]
decimation	the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg	[01:16]
decimation	who else is gonna pay for the sun	[01:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2}	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	;;google 1 exahash	[01:42]
gribble	What does one exahash look like? \| StandardCrypto: ; BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before June ...: ; BitcoinBrothers - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum: (1 more message)	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	win	[01:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00033897 = 21.3043 BTC [+] {4}	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	lol ddosing trilema etc, srsly ?	[10:05]
mircea_popescu	noobs.	[10:05]
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BingoBoingo	!up devthedev	[10:17]
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BingoBoingo	!s RNG	[10:20]
assbot	378 results for 'RNG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=RNG	[10:20]
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bitcoinalpha	mircea popescu is a lowlife scumbag	[10:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3}	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	herp ?	[10:32]
bitcoinalpha	what are you going to do about gavincoin?	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	not give a shit ?	[10:34]
mircea_popescu	same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149468 << clearly they were armored o.O	[10:36]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 07:40:26; mats: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/May-31/299962-iraq-lost-2300-humvees-in-mosul-pm.ashx	[10:36]
bitcoinalpha	mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?	[10:37]
bitcoinalpha	since jan 1	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	i think reddit awaits you.	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	!down bitcoinalpha	[10:37]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149466 << yeah, they were useful.	[10:40]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles	[10:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149517 << as ruined by gavin & co, yes.	[10:42]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose.	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced.	[10:44]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there	[10:44]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.	[10:47]
punkman	my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though	[10:47]
punkman	maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno	[10:48]
mircea_popescu	which was this ?	[10:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]	[10:50]
punkman	which this?	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	" foundation bitcoind before the release"	[10:52]
punkman	I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.	[10:55]
punkman	0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks	[10:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2}	[10:56]
punkman	!up shinohai	[10:57]
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shinohai	thx punkman	[10:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]	[10:58]
shinohai	mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.	[10:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[11:02]
mircea_popescu	256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	RWWRWCRWWWRWCWWRCWCCCWWCWRRRCWWWWWCCWCCCWWCRCWWWWCCWRWWWRRWCRRWC	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	RWRWRWWWWRRRRCWWWCCRRWCWWWRRWRRWRRWCWCWRWWRRWRWRRWRRCWRCRWCCWRRW	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	CWRRCWRWRCRRWRWWWWWCCCWRCWWWWWWRWCRWWCRRWCRRWCWWWRWRCWCRCCWCRRWW	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	RWWWRWWRWRRCWCRWCWWWCCWRWRWCCWRCWWRCWWWRWWRRWWCWWCRCRWRWRCCWCCCW	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	sorta deal >D	[11:03]
BingoBoingo	ah	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	anyway, server's fine, just slow.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	142 requests/sec sounds pretty good anyway.	[11:05]
BingoBoingo	Ah, cool	[11:05]
shinohai	https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/595601619581964289 <<< the smacktardedness spreads	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	check it out, lazar revived.	[11:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2}	[11:08]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly	[11:19]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.	[11:19]
asciilifeform	the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping	[11:19]
shinohai	No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.	[11:20]
asciilifeform	shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes	[11:20]
shinohai	how does that work?	[11:20]
asciilifeform	shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago	[11:21]
shinohai	I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now	[11:21]
asciilifeform	what is 'normally' ?	[11:22]
shinohai	To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's	[11:22]
shinohai	But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.	[11:23]
asciilifeform	currently best.	[11:24]
asciilifeform	stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch	[11:25]
asciilifeform	but at present time this has not happened.	[11:25]
shinohai	So is it possible to change the network it connects to, to one under your control ?	[11:26]
shinohai	Or is that a moot point	[11:26]
asciilifeform	shinohai: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/irc.cpp#0270	[11:27]
asciilifeform	go, change.	[11:27]
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asciilifeform	!up shinohai	[11:28]
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shinohai	I have that same line already ?	[11:29]
asciilifeform	well yes	[11:29]
asciilifeform	but question was 'how to change network it connects to', no ?	[11:29]
shinohai	Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.	[11:30]
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deedbot-	Bad URL or network outage.	[11:40]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[11:40]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[11:41]
jurov	williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls	[11:41]
jurov	mod6, good job with the report!	[11:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3}	[11:44]
jurov	http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-01-21-13-14.txt wow what????	[11:46]
jurov	"This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot	[11:46]
jurov	and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.	[11:46]
jurov	"	[11:46]
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shinohai	O.o	[11:47]
davout	!up Relos	[11:49]
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Relos	thanks	[11:50]
jurov	!up referredbyloper	[11:50]
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Relos	how do you guys propose to increase the node count?	[11:50]
davout	Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously	[11:50]
jurov	Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?	[11:50]
davout	!s pogo	[11:50]
assbot	491 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo	[11:50]
davout	Relos: come back when you've investigated that	[11:51]
davout	bye!	[11:51]
davout	!down Relos	[11:51]
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mircea_popescu	!up Landgull	[11:51]
-assbot-	You voiced Landgull for 30 minutes.	[11:51]
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Landgull	Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?	[11:52]
Landgull	Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?	[11:52]
jurov	davout hasn't waken up well?	[11:52]
williamdunne	jurov: I don't own Deedbot	[11:53]
jurov	williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up	[11:53]
williamdunne	Thats fine:)	[11:53]
davout	jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer	[11:53]
jurov	Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD	[11:53]
mod6	thx jurov :]	[11:53]
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shinohai	140k blocks to go ....	[11:54]
Landgull	Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.	[11:54]
jurov	lolk	[11:54]
Landgull	Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...	[11:55]
referredbyloper	Thinking about this block size discussion in light of this text "The cancer of bureaucracy: How it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else" http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/index.php?s=The%20cancer%20of%20bureaucracy:%20how%20it%20will%20destroy%20science,%20medicine,%20education;%20and%20eventually%20everything%20else	[11:56]
jurov	"Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"	[11:56]
mod6	<+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?	[11:58]
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referredbyloper	mirrir link to pdf http://lib.gen.in/ocean/a16368dc50de93109e329b253cc51f44/10.1016%40j.mehy.2009.11.038.pdf or http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.mehy.2009.11.038	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.	[12:00]
mod6	!up shinohai	[12:00]
mod6	eh, i must be stale again	[12:00]
Landgull	Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.	[12:02]
Landgull	Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.	[12:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	this is more like the equivalent of dog sniffing.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[12:04]
Landgull	Ahh.	[12:04]
Landgull	At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[12:07]
shinohai	This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.	[12:10]
Landgull	Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.	[12:12]
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BingoBoingo	!up Landgull	[12:24]
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Landgull	Thanks.	[12:25]
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assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)	[12:29]
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Landgull	So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?	[12:44]
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mircea_popescu	this isn't new.	[12:59]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: drowning	[13:19]
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trinque	Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea	[13:31]
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thestringpuller	the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?	[14:11]
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BingoBoingo	nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.	[14:17]
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williamdunne	They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain	[14:20]
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danielpbarron	!up shinohai	[14:22]
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shinohai	o/ danielpbarron	[14:23]
danielpbarron	hi who are you?	[14:23]
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shinohai	Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.	[14:24]
thestringpuller	not a war yet	[14:24]
thestringpuller	but axetime soon	[14:24]
shinohai	I like to be prepared for all contingencies.	[14:24]
thestringpuller	well only new fork coins will take losses.	[14:25]
thestringpuller	cause old coin can be cloned to the fork	[14:25]
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shinohai	I "almost" have a node up.	[14:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4}	[14:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up joesmoe	[14:30]
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shinohai	qntra.net is back up for me o/	[14:31]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377	[14:42]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker	[14:42]
shinohai	xD	[14:45]
shinohai	thanks	[14:45]
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williamdunne	You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself	[14:47]
danielpbarron	!up ascii_field	[14:47]
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danielpbarron	!up bitcoinfailed	[14:47]
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jurov	shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)	[14:48]
bitcoinfailed	is anyone even trading on the mpex exchange?	[14:49]
bitcoinfailed	or is it still just bots and mircea	[14:49]
bitcoinfailed	why did mpex stop listing calls/puts?	[14:49]
danielpbarron	i think there's a blog post about that	[14:50]
danielpbarron	why don't you go and read the log	[14:50]
bitcoinfailed	from pornographer popescu	[14:50]
bitcoinfailed	why dont you fuck off and tell me instead.	[14:50]
bitcoinfailed	that what the chat for	[14:50]
danielpbarron	!down bitcoinfailed	[14:50]
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ben_vulpes	!up bitcoinfailed	[14:50]
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danielpbarron	lol	[14:50]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged	[14:50]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?	[14:50]
ben_vulpes	tiberius, is that you?	[14:50]
shinohai	np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week	[14:50]
mod6	<+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged << it wasn't. but I had him apply it while helping him get setup.	[14:51]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	cazalla has the scoop on that	[14:53]
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mod6	He was running deb8 on one box, and then stock v0.5.3.1-RELEASE worked fine. but on a seperate instance of deb8, he reported the boost type issues, so I had him follow these instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html	[14:53]
mod6	Then it was working well as far as I know.	[14:54]
ascii_field	mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	jeez check out the butthurt with the redditard crowd.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.	[14:55]
ascii_field	wai wat	[14:56]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what are you reading?	[14:56]
jurov	whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	teh log	[14:56]
thestringpuller	yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.	[14:57]
thestringpuller	denial before acceptance tho mr. popescu	[14:57]
ascii_field	let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin	[14:57]
ascii_field	why is this of concern to us ?	[14:57]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: it's entertaining.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	i think ipmi is the most retarded thing ever invented	[14:58]
mod6	<+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.	[14:58]
*	williamdunne checks, and sees exactly 15 bitcoin-xt nodes	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	"let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"	[14:58]
mod6	*correct	[14:58]
*	williamdunne lel	[14:58]
*	williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!	[14:59]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	mandatory how	[14:59]
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ascii_field	try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.	[15:00]
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mircea_popescu	what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.	[15:00]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning	[15:01]
ascii_field	this was discussed here in the past	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	apparently i've not been paying attention.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	anywya	[15:01]
williamdunne	Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	obviously machine won't listen to you.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	what's off machine, another machine ?	[15:02]
williamdunne	mYeah, but one not running the same shit	[15:02]
ascii_field	not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics	[15:02]
ascii_field	and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then	[15:03]
jurov	williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet	[15:03]
williamdunne	Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..	[15:03]
ascii_field	jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing	[15:04]
williamdunne	So when are we buying those Russian servers?	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	heh	[15:05]
trinque	the steam computer?	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	lol williamdunne owns #bitcoin-xt ?	[15:06]
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ascii_field	williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.	[15:08]
ascii_field	but to 'k00l k1dz' only	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	i didn't find a supplier.	[15:08]
williamdunne	I do indeed	[15:08]
ascii_field	afaik nobody's found a supplier.	[15:08]
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williamdunne	Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"	[15:08]
williamdunne	Cheeky joke in the end there	[15:09]
ascii_field	when do we get 'bitcoin-at' ?	[15:09]
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williamdunne	After bitcoin-bh	[15:09]
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jurov	no, bitcoin-jr	[15:11]
jurov	:DDD	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:12]
ascii_field	bitcoin-64	[15:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2}	[15:19]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	!h	[15:32]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[15:32]
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williamdunne	Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..	[15:40]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[15:40]
williamdunne	http://www.financialexpress.com/article/industry/and-the-stinkiest-people-in-europe-are-french/78441/	[15:40]
williamdunne	"And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French	[15:40]
williamdunne	A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."	[15:40]
jurov	lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu	[15:42]
williamdunne	Facebook has added PGP support..	[15:43]
williamdunne	http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/facebook-pgp-keys.html	[15:43]
jurov	"All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl	[15:44]
trinque	...what	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:44]
mats	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-reviled-african-ruler-survived-a-coup-hatched-in-the-united-states/2015/05/31/a9fc1772-0485-11e5-8bda-c7b4e9a8f7ac_story.html	[15:44]
trinque	so facebook is a keyserver now	[15:45]
jurov	http://vaide.ro/craiova-izoleaza-termic-gardul-cimitirului/ << related	[15:45]
mats	USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves	[15:46]
ascii_field	mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before	[15:48]
ascii_field	in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads	[15:48]
williamdunne	Lol, confirmed	[15:49]
williamdunne	http://imgur.com/a/cRzeN	[15:49]
williamdunne	Yeah, its a keyserver now..	[15:49]
ascii_field	usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'	[15:49]
williamdunne	But yeah, like thats going to combat the NSA	[15:49]
williamdunne	Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?	[15:50]
*	williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	jurov wait what's that ?	[15:53]
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trinque	williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does anything	[15:54]
jurov	mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	ah lol	[15:54]
trinque	what they don't have a database now?	[15:54]
williamdunne	trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum	[15:56]
trinque	bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11	[15:56]
trinque	and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin	[15:58]
*	trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act	[15:59]
williamdunne	Which'll require that you import your key..	[15:59]
trinque	of course the browser will need the private key	[15:59]
trinque	for reasons	[15:59]
williamdunne	huehuehue	[16:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00031397 = 2.449 BTC [-] {2}	[16:00]
williamdunne	http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140527021842/oliver-jameson-enterprises/images/f/f4/Stereotype-jew.gif	[16:00]
trinque	d-did the jews do facebook?	[16:00]
williamdunne	Zuckerburg	[16:01]
trinque	meine got!	[16:01]
trinque	*mein gott	[16:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34889 @ 0.00031356 = 10.9398 BTC [-] {2}	[16:01]
trinque	well now it all makes sense	[16:01]
williamdunne	USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction	[16:02]
williamdunne	So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data	[16:02]
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trinque	why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?	[16:02]
trinque	gather sheep, whore them out?	[16:02]
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williamdunne	I thought that was the Kiwis?	[16:03]
trinque	ehehehehe	[16:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00032477 = 9.2235 BTC [+]	[16:05]
williamdunne	ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek	[16:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16004 @ 0.00031339 = 5.0155 BTC [-] {2}	[16:17]
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jurov	mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	about who ?	[16:37]
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jurov	me	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	what is release engineering reward ?	[16:38]
williamdunne	Compiling binaries?	[16:39]
jurov	putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	oh oh	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah, shoot.	[16:40]
williamdunne	Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport	[16:40]
scoopbot_revived	MiniGame (S.MG), April - May 2015 Combined Statement http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/	[16:40]
jurov	0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)	[16:40]
williamdunne	I shit you not	[16:40]
williamdunne	Imma invite them on here	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	!t m s.mg	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.00009 (103015 shares, 9.27 BTC)	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?	[16:41]
jurov	vista+	[16:42]
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mircea_popescu	which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.	[16:42]
jurov	i don't think win compatibility is major problem	[16:43]
jurov	(xp's are really old, tho)	[16:43]
williamdunne	Win compatibility is actually really good tbh	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	Windows 7 58.39%	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	Windows XP 15.93%	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	Windows 8.1 11.16%	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	can you do these 3 ?	[16:43]
chetty	>>> doubts it will run on xp at all	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	or just 7/8 ?	[16:43]
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williamdunne	Hello flyplymouth	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	flyplymouth you the dude with the 150k airport ?	[16:43]
jurov	will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility	[16:43]
flyplymouth	well I am one of them	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	you know, tracking radar is about 100x that	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	chetty why ?	[16:44]
williamdunne	http://www.flyplymouth.com/ How about an MPEX listing mircea?	[16:44]
flyplymouth	Recomissioning is circa £30m	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	jurov what about osx ?	[16:44]
williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding	[16:44]
chetty	graphics drivers	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	chetty nvidia tho.	[16:45]
flyplymouth	Put it into context £7bn for rail-link	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[16:45]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: So raise £150,000, then what?	[16:45]
williamdunne	Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?	[16:46]
williamdunne	Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee	[16:46]
jurov	mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer	[16:46]
flyplymouth	there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	jurov which one is that, 7.x ?	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	flyplymouth hoiw is a business planb stress testedf ?	[16:47]
flyplymouth	Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.	[16:47]
jurov	10.6	[16:47]
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jurov	7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely	[16:47]
flyplymouth	Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?	[16:47]
jurov	ok	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	addy ?	[16:48]
jurov	and 64bit linux, no?	[16:48]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov these first.	[16:48]
jurov	ok	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.	[16:49]
jurov	1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93	[16:49]
flyplymouth	The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.	[16:49]
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williamdunne	flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern	[16:50]
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flyplymouth	Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.	[16:50]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.	[16:51]
williamdunne	Super complex simulations	[16:51]
williamdunne	You wouldn't understand MP	[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	apparently not.	[16:51]
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flyplymouth	Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.	[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	flyplymouth isn't that primarily an airline concern ?	[16:52]
ascii_has_newz	http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F31C79912C1899F639860FCC37F4789264841127A6F8AED81C73A222D9080A2 << google employee, magic-keyed	[16:52]
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trinque	oh shit	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[16:52]
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flyplymouth	Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	...	[16:53]
ascii_has_newz	can't recall if he was one of the magic 98 or not	[16:53]
williamdunne	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow	[16:53]
ascii_has_newz	possibly manually submitted iey	[16:53]
ascii_has_newz	key	[16:53]
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williamdunne	flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_has_newz yeah he was	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	#19-21	[16:54]
ascii_has_newz	aha ok	[16:54]
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mircea_popescu	flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?	[16:54]
williamdunne	More like an airport with a pet airline I think	[16:54]
williamdunne	Or maybe flogs flight paths off to airlines?	[16:54]
flyplymouth	In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	!up Landgull	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	!rate Landgull 1 new bloods	[16:55]
assbot	Landgull is not registered in WoT.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	Landgull get in the wot already	[16:55]
Landgull	I'm registered with gribble.	[16:55]
Landgull	Do I need to re-register with assbot?	[16:55]
williamdunne	No, you need to register with ass also	[16:56]
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Landgull	Aha.	[16:56]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?	[16:56]
jurov	Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you	[16:56]
Landgull	I registered with GPG key.	[16:56]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: (The stress testing)	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	Landgull when ?	[16:57]
flyplymouth	Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.	[16:57]
Landgull	About two weeks ago.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	!h	[16:57]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	Landgull ^ see there.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	flyplymouth how much does one of these checks cost ?	[16:57]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?	[16:58]
flyplymouth	If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy	[16:58]
flyplymouth	The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.	[16:59]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all	[16:59]
Landgull	So you're relying on government money?	[16:59]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders	[16:59]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: That prohibits you	[16:59]
williamdunne	Well..	[16:59]
trinque	he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit	[17:00]
flyplymouth	not at all social enterprises can now attract investors	[17:00]
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trinque	does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?	[17:00]
Landgull	Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?	[17:01]
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williamdunne	trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name	[17:01]
williamdunne	trinque: https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/office-of-the-regulator-of-community-interest-companies	[17:01]
williamdunne	Summin like that	[17:01]
trinque	ah	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	but these are basically charities.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	only with more pompous verbiage.	[17:02]
flyplymouth	As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.	[17:02]
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chetty	why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?	[17:02]
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williamdunne	flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.	[17:03]
flyplymouth	It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit	[17:03]
chetty	oi	[17:03]
flyplymouth	In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model	[17:04]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned	[17:05]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends	[17:05]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Which is what investors want	[17:05]
flyplymouth	If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.	[17:05]
williamdunne	Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?	[17:05]
flyplymouth	it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.	[17:06]
Landgull	Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.	[17:06]
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williamdunne	flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight	[17:07]
Landgull	You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	!rate Landgull 1 new bloods	[17:08]
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williamdunne	Chris Dawson is a man after my own heart..	[17:08]
williamdunne	v	[17:08]
williamdunne	http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html	[17:08]
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williamdunne	"Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.	[17:09]
williamdunne	But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."	[17:09]
Landgull	Thanks!	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne yeah, that's happening	[17:09]
flyplymouth	why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	jurov sent.	[17:10]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?	[17:10]
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flyplymouth	divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.	[17:11]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Okay, so loans	[17:11]
flyplymouth	Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.	[17:11]
Landgull	Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?	[17:11]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities	[17:12]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that	[17:12]
williamdunne	(hence the -assets)	[17:12]
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williamdunne	!up flyplymouth	[17:13]
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danielpbarron	in other news https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/605409957094268929	[17:13]
jurov	mircea_popescu: got it	[17:14]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?	[17:14]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..	[17:14]
flyplymouth	if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct	[17:15]
williamdunne	danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!	[17:15]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here	[17:15]
Landgull	Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.	[17:16]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind	[17:16]
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williamdunne	flyplymouth: Here ya go, an ebook even comes with it! http://www.ca-cib.com/our-offers/global-debt-markets-and-debt-capital-markets.htm	[17:19]
williamdunne	Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked	[17:20]
williamdunne	I like it	[17:20]
flyplymouth	If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.	[17:20]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: FD? FlyDover?	[17:20]
flyplymouth	ha ha	[17:20]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Can you just get him on here?	[17:20]
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trinque	little guy seems to be doing alright	[17:21]
trinque	I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit	[17:21]
flyplymouth	nope	[17:21]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.	[17:21]
flyplymouth	if you want to talk serious then I can set it up	[17:22]
williamdunne	flyplymouth: Of course I want to talk serious	[17:22]
williamdunne	Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.	[17:22]
flyplymouth	media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.	[17:24]
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williamdunne	Well that was sudden	[17:24]
Landgull	I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.	[17:24]
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williamdunne	No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard	[17:25]
williamdunne	The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it	[17:25]
williamdunne	And they don't have to rebuild everything..	[17:26]
Landgull	They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.	[17:26]
williamdunne	Aye	[17:26]
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williamdunne	Landgull you can up yourself now	[17:26]
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ben_vulpes	what they will do for their investors?	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	i know i know	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	buy some ad space	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	rent an office	[17:28]
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ben_vulpes	make everyone feel really cool for investing	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	and then disappear	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	DAFUQ AIRPLAINES?	[17:28]
Landgull	Oooh, fancy. Thanks guys.	[17:28]
trinque	....aaand it's gone!	[17:28]
williamdunne	ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport	[17:28]
ben_vulpes	i read the thread.	[17:28]
Landgull	I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	> 150k	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	> airport	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	> 150k	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	> airplane	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	what am i missing here	[17:29]
Landgull	Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.	[17:29]
Landgull	A "stress test".	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	what the fuck is a stress test	[17:29]
ben_vulpes	novel scamhold is what i hear.	[17:30]
williamdunne	Something something statistics something something customers something something viability	[17:30]
williamdunne	https://www.google.com/maps/place/Plymouth+City+Airport/@50.4211911,-4.1094124,1077m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x486ced727fc3be65:0xdbc605f04af77367!6m1!1e1	[17:30]
Landgull	My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.	[17:30]
williamdunne	For reference, this is what they're talking about	[17:30]
ben_vulpes	that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation	[17:30]
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ben_vulpes	and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?	[17:31]
ben_vulpes	this is bitcoin	[17:31]
ben_vulpes	we lower bureaucrats into pederasty.	[17:31]
williamdunne	They're not raising bitcoin	[17:31]
williamdunne	They're raising fiat	[17:31]
williamdunne	I invited them here	[17:31]
williamdunne	Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum	[17:32]
ben_vulpes	!up pete_dushenski	[17:32]
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pete_dushenski	thx ben_vulpes :)	[17:32]
ben_vulpes	mhhhhm	[17:32]
williamdunne	http://www.flyplymouth.com/	[17:32]
williamdunne	http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/flyplymouthairport-reopening-project	[17:32]
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williamdunne	Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?	[17:33]
ben_vulpes	FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better	[17:33]
ben_vulpes	connectivity.	[17:33]
ben_vulpes	mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot	[17:34]
ben_vulpes	i am exhausted of fucks	[17:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78609 @ 0.00031319 = 24.6196 BTC [-]	[17:34]
pete_dushenski	looks like nonsense on a stick	[17:35]
williamdunne	If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	fuckshausted ?	[17:35]
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williamdunne	Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare	[17:36]
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thestringpuller	i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards	[17:38]
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diana_coman	hello, could I please have an eulora account?	[17:40]
mats	http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/30/no-women-pass-army-ranger-school-three-invited-to-start-over.html	[17:41]
jurov	diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?	[17:43]
diana_coman	jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on trilema, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...	[17:43]
mats	ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader	[17:44]
pete_dushenski	mats it's a balance.	[17:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149704 << this place has it's fair share of consensus too. just imagine the insane levels of groupthink on teh outside !	[17:48]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.	[17:48]
mats	i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...	[17:48]
mats	the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life	[17:49]
ben_vulpes	> broke dicks	[17:49]
mats	the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards	[17:50]
pete_dushenski	mats same goes for us universities.	[17:51]
pete_dushenski	in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	didnb't take me much longer anyway	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.	[17:51]
jurov	yes but it picked up misc system crud	[17:52]
davout	mircea_popescu: acct pl0x	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	whadda ya wanna be called ?	[17:52]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:52]
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davout	Godefroy de Montmirail	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	nah this is the acct name.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	onesec	[17:53]
jurov	i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	bwahahahagodefroooooy	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	hunspell ?!	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez	[17:53]
jurov	nemtudom, as i said.	[17:53]
pete_dushenski	universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.	[17:54]
chetty	love the char name davout	[17:54]
pete_dushenski	but that's exclusive and not 'fair'	[17:54]
davout	mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:54]
pete_dushenski	the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.	[17:54]
chetty	lmao	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	davout http://dpaste.com/2TCF1Z9	[17:55]
davout	merci	[17:56]
ascii_field	mats: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/25/us-military-and-civilians-are-increasingly-divided.html << another l0l from same www	[17:56]
ascii_field	'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'	[17:57]
pete_dushenski	"One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.	[17:57]
pete_dushenski	endless milking, these mooz	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	http://adios-hola.org/advisory.txt moar lulz	[17:59]
davout	this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin	[17:59]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	mhm	[18:00]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149809 << i'm glad to hear someone actually tried. though if mp can't get his hands on them...	[18:01]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski cursory examination.	[18:02]
ascii_field	are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	astrobutts	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	!up pete_dushenski	[18:04]
-assbot-	You voiced pete_dushenski for 30 minutes.	[18:04]
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mircea_popescu	what happened ot you.	[18:04]
pete_dushenski	cheers !	[18:04]
pete_dushenski	i'm in an airport.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	a a	[18:05]
pete_dushenski	3/4 of the way home from la suisse	[18:05]
davout	lol, /r/buttcoin has it http://thecoinfront.com/andreas-antonopolous-threatened-with-murder-over-twitter/	[18:05]
ascii_field	'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	lol wut ?	[18:06]
pete_dushenski	heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	happy rip.	[18:06]
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mike_c	jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.	[18:09]
pete_dushenski	doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.	[18:10]
jurov	mike_c: best if you compile yourself then	[18:10]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149828 << french part of la suisse definitely had more garbage strewn about than german part der schwiez	[18:10]
assbot	Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	at any rate it'd better not be months, o.O	[18:10]
mike_c	i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well	[18:11]
jurov	mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon	[18:11]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that	[18:11]
pete_dushenski	the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash	[18:11]
pete_dushenski	lemme dig up a pic.	[18:11]
williamdunne	Sandhill Exchange fined by the SEC, lol	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you seen http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora yeah ?	[18:11]
jurov	also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open	[18:11]
williamdunne	(The company offering Derps, MPEX style)	[18:12]
jurov	diana_coman will try on windows, too	[18:12]
jurov	i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up	[18:12]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that. still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	williamdunne check it out, no credit no nothing.	[18:13]
chetty	for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps	[18:14]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Lausanne-hungry-garbage-can.jpg << this.	[18:14]
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williamdunne	mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk	[18:14]
williamdunne	William,	[18:14]
williamdunne	You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.	[18:14]
williamdunne	We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations. It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.	[18:14]
williamdunne	We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so. We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.	[18:14]
williamdunne	Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community. The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.	[18:14]
williamdunne	For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.	[18:14]
williamdunne	--	[18:14]
williamdunne	The Sand Hill Exchange Team	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:14]
williamdunne	Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k	[18:15]
*	mircea_popescu will bbl, going to enterrtain teh eulorians	[18:15]
danielpbarron	i also have run eulora on an old laptop	[18:15]
pete_dushenski	what's a zero in fiat anyways ?	[18:15]
williamdunne	They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly	[18:15]
williamdunne	Any build available for buntu	[18:15]
williamdunne	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/383sl3/one_reason_to_support_increasing_the_block_size/	[18:16]
williamdunne	derp	[18:16]
chetty	williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu	[18:17]
pete_dushenski	time to make my way to the gate. good evening y'all !	[18:18]
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williamdunne	chetty: Coolio, I'll look it up on the guide	[18:19]
williamdunne	"25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."	[18:19]
williamdunne	"That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.	[18:19]
williamdunne	We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."	[18:19]
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*	williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems	[18:26]
thestringpuller	^lol like ruby?	[18:28]
williamdunne	Never used Ruby personally	[18:28]
williamdunne	C#, Elixir, D, and Java	[18:29]
williamdunne	And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)	[18:29]
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williamdunne	Oh god	[18:30]
williamdunne	http://www.simondixon.org/iceland-is-the-most-important-country-in-the-world-right-now/2015/05/30/	[18:30]
thestringpuller	i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper	[18:30]
williamdunne	M.C Goldburg	[18:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1905 @ 0.00111 = 2.1146 BTC	[19:07]
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menahem	what do you guys think of this tee ?	[19:52]
menahem	http://screencast.com/t/LxNozQwn7t3	[19:52]
williamdunne	Well, its official, we're a cult.	[19:53]
menahem	hahaha	[19:53]
menahem	debating if i should add a quote to it	[19:55]
williamdunne	"I'm better than you" should suffice	[19:55]
menahem	"this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."	[19:56]
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williamdunne	+1	[19:57]
williamdunne	Fuck it, I'd buy it	[19:57]
*	danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`	[19:58]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#698785	[20:01]
assbot	Logged on 02-06-2014 15:57:38; nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html << What about NHS workers moving from "Airstrip One" to somewhere which would pay them better... Like Ferguson.	[20:02]
williamdunne	Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it	[20:03]
williamdunne	But yeah	[20:03]
williamdunne	Lots of options how to go about it	[20:03]
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danielpbarron	;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?	[20:04]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???	[20:04]
danielpbarron	!up indiancandy1	[20:05]
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indiancandy1	thanks dan	[20:05]
indiancandy1	whats up	[20:05]
danielpbarron	eulora is up!	[20:06]
danielpbarron	you into video games?	[20:06]
mats	https://soundcloud.com/frances_music/grow-1	[20:06]
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indiancandy1	erm	[20:09]
indiancandy1	depends really	[20:09]
trinque	!up diana_coman	[20:09]
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chetty	yup eulora is live ;)	[20:09]
indiancandy1	lol	[20:09]
indiancandy1	nice mix mats	[20:09]
indiancandy1	i like it	[20:10]
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indiancandy1	any one 24 here	[20:17]
williamdunne	24?	[20:18]
williamdunne	The age?	[20:18]
decimation	mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals	[20:25]
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decimation	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th	[20:32]
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BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[20:35]
mats	gas grills are an amazing invention	[20:35]
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assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:35]
decimation	usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers. Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition	[20:35]
BingoBoingo	So, new low in wikipedia "art" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctopelta.jpg Seriously dinosaurs and ducks never co-existed	[20:36]
indiancandy1	yh	[20:36]
indiancandy1	age	[20:36]
mats	nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages	[20:36]
decimation	BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is	[20:37]
mats	decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era	[20:37]
decimation	mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial	[20:38]
indiancandy1	how do u make white wine	[20:38]
decimation	u ferment white grapes	[20:38]
mats	loled	[20:39]
indiancandy1	then	[20:39]
indiancandy1	it turns into liquid	[20:39]
indiancandy1	did u make it urself	[20:39]
indiancandy1	thats dope	[20:39]
mats	my syntax is terrible	[20:40]
mats	"white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"	[20:40]
indiancandy1	whats shallot	[20:40]
mats	it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine	[20:40]
indiancandy1	ohhh ahahah	[20:40]
indiancandy1	damn	[20:40]
decimation	the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit	[20:40]
mats	shallots are in the onion family	[20:41]
decimation	although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone	[20:41]
decimation	http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation	[20:42]
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indiancandy1	are you in the eur	[20:43]
indiancandy1	oops eu	[20:43]
decimation	I am not	[20:44]
indiancandy1	usa	[20:45]
indiancandy1	i ddint know u could cook sausage with wine	[20:45]
decimation	yes	[20:45]
indiancandy1	i will try it	[20:45]
williamdunne	Where are you based?	[20:50]
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danielpbarron	!up indiancandy1	[21:07]
*	assbot gives voice to indiancandy1	[21:07]
danielpbarron	!up WolfGoethe	[21:07]
*	assbot gives voice to WolfGoethe	[21:07]
WolfGoethe	yo	[21:07]
WolfGoethe	anyone here actively do any peer to peer trading?	[21:08]
jurov	WolfGoethe: sometimes	[21:08]
danielpbarron	I think I do, but I never called it that	[21:09]
WolfGoethe	jurov what payment methods do you use?	[21:09]
jurov	sepa	[21:09]
WolfGoethe	I do bank deposit, and paypal my cash	[21:09]
WolfGoethe	ah europe, ok, where do u guys trade #bitcoin-otc ?	[21:10]
WolfGoethe	danielpbarron what do you call it?	[21:10]
jurov	yes there. anyone tries transferwise?	[21:10]
danielpbarron	otc I suppose	[21:10]
WolfGoethe	never tried transferwise, what premiums do u get with them?	[21:11]
WolfGoethe	what sites are you guys on? LBC, bitwallet paxful ?	[21:11]
danielpbarron	i mostly deal with my meatwot; not internet ppl	[21:11]
WolfGoethe	meatwot ?	[21:11]
danielpbarron	face to face people I know in person	[21:11]
WolfGoethe	ahh in person trades, k	[21:11]
jurov	apparently they ask 0.5% or $1	[21:11]
WolfGoethe	i'm in NYC, dudes got robbed here inperson	[21:12]
jurov	going to try	[21:12]
danielpbarron	oh neat, I'm in CT	[21:12]
WolfGoethe	i like high premiums, paypalmy cash gets up to a 100% sometimes	[21:12]
danielpbarron	well I only deal with people I know; not randos	[21:12]
mxtm	< massholes represent	[21:12]
indiancandy1	im in london	[21:12]
danielpbarron	so chances of getting stuck up are very low	[21:12]
WolfGoethe	what offers u guys got active now?	[21:13]
WolfGoethe	there is a nice uk peer to peer trading site right?bit trust.couk ?	[21:13]
trinque	mxtm: I was just describing to someone moving to Boston the difference in culture between new england and here (PDX) .... how did I forget "massholes"	[21:14]
indiancandy1	massholess meaning assholes in quantity?	[21:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43867 @ 0.00032542 = 14.2752 BTC [+]	[21:15]
mxtm	no indiancandy1, meaning people from massachusetts	[21:15]
mxtm	and trinque, hah	[21:16]
trinque	portland pussies stand no chance there	[21:16]
indiancandy1	why are they aholes	[21:16]
WolfGoethe	portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol	[21:18]
WolfGoethe	ortland has a dope ass bar arcade tho...	[21:18]
trinque	WolfGoethe: nice town as an outsider yeah	[21:19]
mats	i hope you took her on a date	[21:19]
mxtm	i've never been to portland	[21:19]
trinque	WolfGoethe: ground control?	[21:19]
WolfGoethe	yeah, we just hung out and had fun, took for a ride on my bike, was going cross country	[21:19]
WolfGoethe	no intimiate stuff tho lol. i'm not a player.. just a geek :)	[21:19]
WolfGoethe	forgot the name of the arcade bar.. but they had all the old skool games. went for sf2 and tmnt.. had a blast with the model girl there	[21:20]
trinque	girl goes home sadly to her hitachi	[21:20]
trinque	lol	[21:20]
WolfGoethe	lol	[21:20]
trinque	WolfGoethe: was probably ground control	[21:20]
trinque	I enjoy that spot	[21:20]
trinque	get drunk on whiskeys and play galaga	[21:20]
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WolfGoethe	wanna go back, me nad her talk on FB, she got friends. I'm not into tall skinny blondes. like my women thick and short	[21:21]
WolfGoethe	city had a cool vibe tho	[21:21]
trinque	WolfGoethe: every time I build up enough piss and vinegar to leave, I find a reason to stay	[21:21]
WolfGoethe	unrelated question.. anyone got some paypal my cash codes they wanna trade for some btc?	[21:21]
trinque	I'm originally from TX	[21:21]
trinque	!gettrust WolfGoethe	[21:22]
assbot	WolfGoethe is not registered in WoT.	[21:22]
WolfGoethe	I am in NYC. portland was nice. I rode thru texas. liked it Galveston and austin were awesome	[21:22]
WolfGoethe	web of trust? how do i reg there?	[21:22]
trinque	!h	[21:22]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[21:22]
trinque	WolfGoethe: ^	[21:22]
trinque	not that I'm personally buying, but that'd probably help	[21:22]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Oh I'm not the only one	[21:25]
WolfGoethe	thanks	[21:25]
WolfGoethe	i checked bitcoin-otc .. no paypal my cash there	[21:25]
williamdunne	Oh wow	[21:25]
indiancandy1	what about london ppl	[21:25]
WolfGoethe	can i post a link to ym trading profile here or is that not allowed?	[21:25]
indiancandy1	whose on instagram	[21:25]
williamdunne	I sent an email to SandHill saying "So when are you moving then", and this was their response:	[21:25]
williamdunne	"The US is our home -- they may be acting like nincompoops but I don't want to completely uproot over this."	[21:25]
williamdunne	Lol	[21:25]
williamdunne	They deserve to be fined	[21:25]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Nah, only UK, and I don't have a vagina so don't have an instagram account	[21:26]
WolfGoethe	my instagram big booty feed is CRAZY	[21:27]
WolfGoethe	the finest fitness booty imaginable.. it never ends	[21:27]
trinque	williamdunne: but you do twat...	[21:27]
williamdunne	trinque: I hide it well	[21:27]
williamdunne	Its tucked underneath my tits	[21:27]
trinque	(twitter)	[21:28]
williamdunne	Oh yes, I'd be interested in seeing the male/female ratio on instagram/twitter though	[21:28]
trinque	instagram is solely for hot women and pictures of their food/cats, this is true	[21:29]
WolfGoethe	instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg	[21:29]
williamdunne	Maybe I should get instagram	[21:29]
indiancandy1	i got a nice booty	[21:30]
indiancandy1	lol	[21:30]
williamdunne	Yep	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49807 @ 0.0003255 = 16.2122 BTC [+] {2}	[21:30]
indiancandy1	how do u no	[21:30]
williamdunne	Instagram	[21:31]
williamdunne	Don't need an account to use it (Y)	[21:31]
trinque	never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"	[21:31]
WolfGoethe	is this photoshopped? https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11326475_1582238262029854_1684735531_n.jpg	[21:31]
indiancandy1	did u see my insta account	[21:31]
williamdunne	trinque: tbf I doubt your ass is as nice as indiancandy1's	[21:31]
trinque	can confirm	[21:32]
williamdunne	In fairness, didn't that one guy take a photo of a market up his ass at hanbot's request?	[21:32]
williamdunne	*marker	[21:32]
WolfGoethe	pics pls	[21:32]
indiancandy1	how did u see my insta	[21:32]
indiancandy1	i didnt link u it	[21:32]
indiancandy1	the link u sent is taking ages	[21:32]
WolfGoethe	not the market up the udes butt.. girls	[21:32]
trinque	indiancandy1: I haven't	[21:33]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: You've told us your username before	[21:33]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: You really don't give your twitter account enough love	[21:33]
williamdunne	realshantidynamite	[21:33]
indiancandy1	that ass was nice	[21:33]
WolfGoethe	Fav pic here? -> http://healthlevelup.com/fit-girl-gallery/	[21:33]
WolfGoethe	squat booty rules all. skinny booty is a travesty worthy of jihad	[21:34]
williamdunne	WolfGoethe: Urm... your link returned this	[21:34]
williamdunne	https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11325010_484726545020911_527289776_n.jpg	[21:34]
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WolfGoethe	huh? lt the page load. there are women on there	[21:34]
WolfGoethe	https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/e15/929255_1423984554587620_1726015887_n.jpg	[21:35]
WolfGoethe	where do u see that?	[21:35]
WolfGoethe	all i see is thick squat booty	[21:35]
williamdunne	It was on maybe the second page of it	[21:36]
WolfGoethe	https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpa1/t51.2885-15/e15/11111522_642938059183228_394004934_n.jpg	[21:36]
williamdunne	Opinions? https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1301&bih=676&q=holly+willoughby&oq=holly+wi&gs_l=img.3.0.0l10.1082.2302.0.3961.8.8.0.0.0.0.72.467.8.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.467._pnh2oflBjk	[21:36]
WolfGoethe	she prob has zero boot	[21:36]
WolfGoethe	y	[21:36]
WolfGoethe	pass...	[21:37]
WolfGoethe	https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/e15/11189527_901673319895202_1208079325_n.jpg	[21:37]
trinque	indiancandy1: https://igcdn-photos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11336143_644313775702435_915024639_n.jpg lol	[21:37]
williamdunne	I'm trying to work out why	[21:38]
*	assbot removes voice from indiancandy1	[21:38]
*	assbot removes voice from WolfGoethe	[21:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34605 @ 0.00032759 = 11.3363 BTC [+] {2}	[21:38]
mats	butts	[21:39]
BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[21:41]
*	assbot gives voice to indiancandy1	[21:41]
indiancandy1	that pic	[21:41]
indiancandy1	is my friends x gf	[21:41]
indiancandy1	her name is tessa	[21:41]
indiancandy1	shes really into bdsm lifestyle	[21:41]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: are you registered in the WoT?	[21:41]
indiancandy1	no coz i duno how to do it	[21:41]
indiancandy1	its so complicated	[21:42]
williamdunne	Would you like some help?	[21:42]
BingoBoingo	!up WolfGoethe	[21:42]
*	assbot gives voice to WolfGoethe	[21:42]
WolfGoethe	the tatto girl?	[21:42]
WolfGoethe	i'd tie hr up..lol	[21:42]
WolfGoethe	nah not into that. tattoos ruin it for me	[21:43]
trinque	prolly the chick who's a table	[21:43]
trinque	WolfGoethe: same	[21:43]
trinque	tried dating a chick once covered in tats, very distracting	[21:43]
WolfGoethe	gross	[21:43]
williamdunne	I like em', not gonna liea	[21:44]
WolfGoethe	ride a bike and u talk to a lot fo tat girls.. do nothing for me	[21:44]
williamdunne	Was thinking of getting a tattoo while in Prague actually..	[21:44]
trinque	"you had this great body, then let 'artists' use it like a bar bathroom wall"	[21:44]
indiancandy1	yes will	[21:45]
indiancandy1	i would	[21:45]
indiancandy1	i got 11 tattoos	[21:45]
indiancandy1	dont hate	[21:45]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Mmk, what sort of computer do you have?	[21:45]
indiancandy1	laptop	[21:45]
Adlai	!b 2	[21:46]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZYPGRE.txt )	[21:46]
williamdunne	Apple or other?	[21:46]
indiancandy1	hp	[21:46]
williamdunne	k	[21:46]
indiancandy1	im getting a tattoo above my panty line this week	[21:46]
williamdunne	What are you getting done?	[21:46]
indiancandy1	some horizontal tribal thin design	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Did you ever get that pink netbook?	[21:46]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: noice	[21:47]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Anyhow, go here	[21:47]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html	[21:47]
williamdunne	And click the first big green button	[21:47]
williamdunne	And then click run	[21:47]
williamdunne	And wait for it to open	[21:47]
williamdunne	Then tell me	[21:47]
indiancandy1	ok	[21:48]
danielpbarron	BingoBoingo, lol no, I got outbid and forgot about it	[21:48]
mod6	Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 314713	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	nice mod6	[21:49]
indiancandy1	i clckd run	[21:50]
indiancandy1	it says windows smartscreen csnt be reached atm	[21:50]
indiancandy1	wtf	[21:50]
trinque	http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/products/ie-9/features/smartscreen-filter	[21:51]
indiancandy1	what is all this	[21:51]
williamdunne	Just click ignore or ok or summin	[21:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00032827 = 20.9108 BTC [+]	[21:52]
trinque	it's a hamfisted attempt to "protect" the user	[21:53]
trinque	by crippling the software	[21:53]
indiancandy1	im confused	[21:54]
indiancandy1	u lost m	[21:54]
indiancandy1	e	[21:54]
williamdunne	Ok	[21:54]
williamdunne	So when you see the smart screen thing yes, what buttons can you click?	[21:54]
williamdunne	Also, I'm a little disturbed by your usage of #latina on this https://instagram.com/p/0lS3nwB6Ip/	[21:55]
williamdunne	I don't believe Greece, India, or the UK are in South America	[21:55]
trinque	williamdunne: did you not hear the tunes?	[21:56]
indiancandy1	i dont handle it	[21:57]
indiancandy1	my insta	[21:57]
indiancandy1	some indian boy does	[21:57]
indiancandy1	in banglaore	[21:57]
williamdunne	Ahahahaha	[21:57]
williamdunne	Thats hilarious	[21:57]
trinque	"my instagram guy"	[21:57]
williamdunne	trinque: Sounded like electro-jamaican-indian to me	[21:57]
indiancandy1	the song is jamaican	[21:57]
trinque	ah what do I know; I wasn't really listening :D	[21:57]
williamdunne	trinque: I called it	[21:57]
trinque	so then I'm the racist	[21:58]
indiancandy1	how	[21:58]
williamdunne	trinque: Typical Eastern European	[21:58]
williamdunne	Racist, all of em	[21:58]
trinque	I thought that was some kind of reggaeton thing or w/e it's called	[21:58]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: how what?	[21:59]
indiancandy1	did u call me eastern europnean	[21:59]
indiancandy1	ahahah	[21:59]
trinque	<---	[21:59]
indiancandy1	aah	[21:59]
indiancandy1	were u from	[21:59]
trinque	but I'm not	[21:59]
trinque	I'm a mongrel from the US	[21:59]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Oops, meant trinque.	[22:00]
williamdunne	I'm from the UK, which is just as bad	[22:00]
trinque	some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany	[22:00]
williamdunne	trinque: I think you just described most Europeans	[22:00]
trinque	heh! probably so	[22:00]
williamdunne	Eh, I'll be in London on Sunday before flying to Bucharest on Monday	[22:01]
williamdunne	:D	[22:01]
trinque	williamdunne: what do you do that has you traveling	[22:02]
trinque	indiancandy1: get in the wot! we need more beautiful women.	[22:02]
williamdunne	Lady from Credit Agricole decided I have to open the account in person	[22:02]
williamdunne	trinque: Do we have any other beautiful women?	[22:02]
trinque	dunno, but one should always have more	[22:03]
williamdunne	Can you up someone multiple times I wonder..	[22:03]
williamdunne	!up indiancandy1	[22:03]
*	assbot gives voice to indiancandy1	[22:03]
williamdunne	!up indiancandy1	[22:04]
*	assbot gives voice to indiancandy1	[22:04]
williamdunne	Nah it just refreshes it	[22:04]
trinque	hm, so this is a perfect example of a gossipd use case	[22:04]
williamdunne	Forcing people to be registered?	[22:04]
trinque	well, or just tagging along on someone's more permissive node if they don wanna	[22:05]
williamdunne	Would she have got here in the first place if it wasn't for freenode webchat?	[22:05]
trinque	like life :p	[22:05]
williamdunne	I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun	[22:05]
indiancandy1	hii	[22:05]
trinque	indiancandy1: did you install the thing?	[22:05]
indiancandy1	can u do it 4 me	[22:05]
indiancandy1	via teamviewer	[22:05]
indiancandy1	:P	[22:05]
trinque	heh williamdunne do a join.me or something with her	[22:06]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Yes I can	[22:06]
trinque	or yeah teamviewer	[22:06]
indiancandy1	yay	[22:06]
williamdunne	Just let me install it one sec	[22:06]
indiancandy1	ergh turks	[22:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00032887 = 27.4935 BTC [+] {3}	[22:07]
indiancandy1	jokes	[22:07]
indiancandy1	so trin where in uk r u	[22:07]
trinque	nah US, portland oregon	[22:07]
trinque	williamdunne's the limey	[22:07]
indiancandy1	ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh	[22:07]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: I dropped you a private message, if you give me your teamviewer details I'll sort it for you	[22:09]
trinque	goes without saying but... do not paste that here	[22:10]
trinque	:D	[22:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73033 @ 0.00033146 = 24.2075 BTC [+] {3}	[22:10]
indiancandy1	okk	[22:10]
indiancandy1	i trade nudes 4 btc	[22:10]
indiancandy1	hahahaha	[22:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12367 @ 0.00033542 = 4.1481 BTC [+]	[22:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00033575 = 19.3392 BTC [+] {2}	[22:14]
trinque	!up WolfGoethe	[22:14]
*	assbot gives voice to WolfGoethe	[22:14]
trinque	WolfGoethe: while we're doing inductions, why don't you register too	[22:14]
trinque	and I'll rate you so you can self-up later	[22:14]
trinque	at some point we're gonna need a ritual	[22:15]
indiancandy1	!register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571	[22:16]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571. This may take a few moments.	[22:16]
assbot	Key AEEA5571 / "indiancandy1" successfully imported.	[22:16]
assbot	Registration successful.	[22:16]
williamdunne	Who is in the lords list?	[22:16]
indiancandy1	u done willz	[22:17]
williamdunne	Can someone in the lords list please give indiancandy a rate?	[22:17]
williamdunne	Nearly	[22:17]
trinque	sure	[22:17]
williamdunne	I'll just show you how to use it once you've been rated	[22:17]
trinque	!rate indiancandy1 1 new blood	[22:17]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4597feaf7ab2130	[22:17]
trinque	!v assbot:trinque.rate.indiancandy1.1:32279bb36b80ec9a60317e8aa0ca228d9837e259b890b090e1aa639427bd5da1	[22:17]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: new blood	[22:17]
trinque	welcome	[22:17]
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asciilifeform	http://www.getlofi.com/uploaded_images/85_1_b-766859.JPG	[22:19]
trinque	asciilifeform: what's that guy?	[22:19]
asciilifeform	idk	[22:19]
trinque	looks... like it does... something	[22:20]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:20]
trinque	google image search says it's chocolate	[22:21]
trinque	fuck you google	[22:21]
trinque	lol	[22:21]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:21]
williamdunne	Who tried to set this up before for indiancandy1? She doesn't know what the password is to the key.. aha	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44577 @ 0.00032795 = 14.619 BTC [-] {2}	[22:23]
williamdunne	Probably should have checked that before registering -.-	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00032498 = 11.3818 BTC [-]	[22:24]
trinque	so close!	[22:24]
trinque	williamdunne: and now you'll need to be able to use the old key to use !changekey	[22:24]
williamdunne	Yep, wow	[22:24]
williamdunne	Great start..	[22:24]
williamdunne	Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?	[22:25]
trinque	any simple guesses for the password?	[22:25]
WolfGoethe	!register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571	[22:26]
assbot	A key with that fingerprint is already registered by indiancandy1	[22:26]
williamdunne	Its not her normal password, its not no password, and its not password	[22:26]
williamdunne	(GPG4WIN asks for password even if there is none)	[22:26]
trinque	lol so much fail	[22:26]
williamdunne	Yep	[22:26]
WolfGoethe	so i need to get a pgp key first?	[22:26]
williamdunne	Guess we'll have to wait for kakro and see if he can fix it	[22:26]
williamdunne	WolfGoethe: Yep	[22:26]
trinque	WolfGoethe: yes, what OS are you on	[22:26]
WolfGoethe	mac osx	[22:27]
WolfGoethe	never messed with pgp	[22:27]
trinque	WolfGoethe: https://gpgtools.org/	[22:27]
WolfGoethe	thanks already dling beta 6	[22:27]
trinque	WolfGoethe: 4096 bits recommended as the key size	[22:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033869 = 6.3674 BTC [+] {3}	[22:28]
williamdunne	+1	[22:29]
trinque	in the key creation dialog it will ask whether you want to upload the key, do that	[22:29]
trinque	then assbot will be able to find it when you provide your fingerprint	[22:29]
williamdunne	;;later tell kakobrekla can you unregister indiancandy1? I was setting it up for her and forgot to check if she knew the password to her GPG key.. she hasn't authed yet	[22:30]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:30]
trinque	asciilifeform: my only guess is some kind of supr s3kr3t radio disguisable as a beer can	[22:31]
trinque	maybe the knob comes off, some kind of outer covering goes on	[22:32]
indiancandy1	what fingerprint	[22:32]
WolfGoethe	i sent it to the keyserver, how do you look it up? name or email ?	[22:32]
mats	https://www.change.org/p/protect-our-kids-pass-the-teach-safe-relationships-act	[22:32]
williamdunne	indiancandy1: Its like an identifier for your key that I registered you with, the one you didn't know the password for	[22:32]
WolfGoethe	key id?	[22:32]
trinque	WolfGoethe: somewhere there will be listed a "fingerprint" of the key	[22:32]
trinque	that's the argument to !register	[22:33]
WolfGoethe	got it	[22:33]
trinque	no spaces	[22:33]
WolfGoethe	do i post it here?	[22:33]
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trinque	sure as indiancandy1 by way of williamdunne did	[22:33]
trinque	but like.... better than they did :D	[22:33]
*	assbot removes voice from indiancandy1	[22:34]
WolfGoethe	!register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD	[22:34]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.	[22:34]
assbot	No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.	[22:34]
WolfGoethe	hmmm	[22:35]
WolfGoethe	i send public key to keyserver	[22:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00034103 = 16.0284 BTC [+] {2}	[22:36]
trinque	WolfGoethe: either it wasn't the right one, or it takes a minute	[22:36]
WolfGoethe	!register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD	[22:37]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.	[22:37]
assbot	Key 273F03BD / "wolfgangX " successfully imported.	[22:37]
assbot	Registration successful.	[22:37]
WolfGoethe	works	[22:37]
trinque	!rate WolfGoethe 1 new blood	[22:38]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/59086853159ade6f	[22:38]
WolfGoethe	what do i do with this key ?	[22:38]
trinque	!v assbot:trinque.rate.WolfGoethe.1:1c0fe620b46c4634282678cb9daeae399403b84ad5669b4f1d8cc018fbe84b09	[22:38]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for WolfGoethe with note: new blood	[22:38]
trinque	WolfGoethe: when you want voice, send a private message of !up to assbot	[22:39]
trinque	it'll send you a url, you decrypt the contents and give it back to assbot with !v	[22:39]
trinque	as I did with my rating	[22:39]
trinque	try it.	[22:39]
trinque	!down WolfGoethe	[22:39]
*	assbot removes voice from WolfGoethe	[22:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0003433 = 7.5183 BTC [+] {2}	[22:44]
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*	assbot gives voice to WolfGoethe	[22:53]
WolfGoethe	wow	[22:53]
WolfGoethe	thanks trinque	[22:53]
WolfGoethe	that was an involved process	[22:53]
WolfGoethe	only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics	[22:53]
williamdunne	Lol	[22:55]
williamdunne	Its as manly as it gets	[22:55]
trinque	WolfGoethe: weeds out the morons; congrats	[22:58]
WolfGoethe	cool	[22:59]
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WolfGoethe	i wrote a bitcoind core api server with full logging etc...	[22:59]
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WolfGoethe	open source of coz	[22:59]
WolfGoethe	trying to give back with more than just phat instagram booty	[22:59]
trinque	what good cult doesn't have booty	[23:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033904 = 9.1541 BTC [-]	[23:01]
williamdunne	!up mj4_	[23:01]
williamdunne	!up mjr_	[23:01]
*	assbot gives voice to mjr_	[23:01]
mjr_	what up all	[23:02]
mjr_	i was going to say that we should have a ceremony with robes for voicing	[23:02]
trinque	!gettrust mjr_	[23:02]
assbot	mjr_ is not registered in WoT.	[23:02]
trinque	who is we	[23:02]
mjr_	look up Josh_Rossi i thihnk	[23:03]
williamdunne	Oh I didn't realize its Josh!	[23:03]
mjr_	!gettrust Josh_Rossi	[23:03]
williamdunne	Hey Josh	[23:03]
assbot	mjr_ is not registered in WoT.	[23:03]
williamdunne	!gettrust Josh_rossi	[23:03]
assbot	Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Josh_rossi: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Josh_rossi \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Josh_rossi/	[23:03]
mjr_	how did you find it wiliam?	[23:03]
mjr_	ah lower case r	[23:03]
williamdunne	I'm registered, mjr_ isn't	[23:03]
williamdunne	Oh, could be wrong	[23:03]
mjr_	i should be registered, aren't I?	[23:03]
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trinque	mjr_: yeah, otherwise you might as well be the pope	[23:04]
mjr_	http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/josh_rossi/	[23:04]
danielpbarron	!v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.indiancandy1.1:036a1f902e6a7d0baf97178fc7a27e84060ce2a60228e1ed417f230871f4812a	[23:04]
williamdunne	danielpbarron: She doesn't have her password unfortunately to here PGP key D:	[23:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00034352 = 11.3362 BTC [+]	[23:05]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: indian viral video star living in london	[23:05]
mjr_	anyway, kakobrekla around?	[23:05]
trinque	mjr_: you could be that guy, but how would anyone know?	[23:05]
mjr_	ugh	[23:05]
mjr_	ok hold on, let me plug in my other computer	[23:06]
mjr_	i don't know why anyone would care if i was that guy	[23:06]
mjr_	since it literally makes 0 difference	[23:06]
williamdunne	!up indiancandy1	[23:07]
*	assbot gives voice to indiancandy1	[23:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95491 @ 0.00033597 = 32.0821 BTC [-] {2}	[23:08]
trinque	mjr_: kakobrekla might if you're looking for him. consider if you will the value of making claims to an identity with hard proof	[23:08]
indiancandy1	thanks 4 the rateing D	[23:08]
mjr_	well, i will let kakobrekla be the judge of that	[23:09]
indiancandy1	isnt mp the owner of this irc	[23:09]
indiancandy1	?	[23:09]
trinque	the amount of bitching people do over 10sec of work...	[23:09]
mjr_	yeah i think he started it	[23:09]
mjr_	10 seconds of work if you have your key on this computer...and you have used it recently	[23:09]
mjr_	you might have to go back a year or so to find the last time i chatted here	[23:10]
mjr_	but, i was at the first of the timisoara conferences	[23:10]
indiancandy1	okay	[23:10]
indiancandy1	good for you	[23:10]
indiancandy1	LOL	[23:10]
trinque	!b 4	[23:10]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GM9H90.txt )	[23:10]
mjr_	and considering I don't think 10 seconds of work is worth it to say hi to someone	[23:10]
trinque	mjr_: you're taking this far too seriously	[23:11]
trinque	I was merely stating facts	[23:11]
mjr_	what was the fact?	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21259 @ 0.00034281 = 7.2878 BTC [+]	[23:11]
trinque	that you are not you by virtue of saying "I am me" on IRC	[23:11]
mjr_	i didn't say i was	[23:11]
mjr_	i wasn't trying to prove that I am me	[23:11]
mjr_	i was asking if anyone has seen kakobrekla recently	[23:12]
trinque	you put a link to indicate who you were	[23:12]
trinque	which is retarded	[23:12]
mjr_	because someone else said "i'm registered josh isn't"	[23:12]
mjr_	eh, maybe to you	[23:12]
mjr_	i don't really care	[23:12]
trinque	nor I	[23:12]
mjr_	so, why press the point?	[23:13]
mjr_	i wasn't necessarily talking to you about anything sensitive or financial in nature...	[23:13]
mjr_	so there is no reason for you to know who I am, or care	[23:13]
williamdunne	mjr_: Oh, it was me that said it. I meant that I'm registered so assbot listened to me	[23:14]
mod6	wassup mjr: assbot doesn't have a fast time-out like gribble. so you can take your otp and decrypt on another box (air-gap) for instance and not have to worry.	[23:14]
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mjr_	yeah, working on it now	[23:14]
mjr_	have to charge an old laptop	[23:14]
mjr_	but again, it doesn't really matter if its me or not	[23:14]
trinque	mjr_: dunno why this is hard for you... you made a claim to an identity, and I informed you that you really had done no such thing	[23:14]
mjr_	or rather, it doesn't matter whether the person typing this is Josh Rossi or not	[23:14]
trinque	as I would do towards anyone	[23:15]
williamdunne	I can vouch that it is Josh Rossi	[23:15]
mod6	well, it does to me! we used to chat back in the day, i'd like to know if its mjr i.e. father of buttonwood or dog.	[23:15]
mjr_	eh, if you say it is a claim, it wasn't meant as such	[23:15]
mjr_	obvs	[23:15]
williamdunne	mod6: It is buttonwood	[23:15]
mjr_	but again, I am not trying to prove that it is me	[23:15]
trinque	had a conversation earlier about how flat text is sometimes, which applies here	[23:15]
indiancandy1	GOODNIGHT FELLAS	[23:15]
mjr_	in other words, i don't have anything to discuss that must be proven to have come from me	[23:15]
trinque	indiancandy1: cya!	[23:16]
indiancandy1	by triny	[23:16]
decimation	indiancandy1: do you live in a council house?	[23:17]
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trinque	mjr_: I'm amused that this offended you so deeply it required this much discussion	[23:18]
trinque	if you don't want to auth by all means	[23:18]
mjr_	it didn't offend me at all, i was just saying that in my humble opinion, auth'ing is useful if you want to prove you are the one who said something	[23:18]
mjr_	since i don't have that need, it is not so important to me	[23:19]
mjr_	but i might as well after all this	[23:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00032208 = 22.8194 BTC [-] {2}	[23:20]
trinque	no, it's also so that those present can tell who the fuck you are	[23:20]
williamdunne	Well, to be fair we already know who he is..	[23:20]
trinque	you do, how do I?	[23:21]
williamdunne	Well, hopefully you'd trust me enough to auth him. So you should think it is him even if you don't cryptographically know its him	[23:21]
decimation	mjr_: the important part is that friends can be enumerated	[23:21]
trinque	^	[23:21]
trinque	williamdunne: ever heard "trust but verify" ?	[23:22]
trinque	I'm not insulting the guy by saying "hello, who the fuck are you?"	[23:22]
williamdunne	Yeah, but I don't think its always that necessary	[23:22]
williamdunne	i.e if he was signing a contract, you verify that	[23:22]
trinque	so you do	[23:22]
decimation	williamdunne: it's necessary when there's a world full of zombies who want to waste your time	[23:22]
williamdunne	But if he's coming and saying 'hello' why the fuck does it matter?	[23:22]
trinque	because if I can see your face, and I've seen the face before, I'll know it	[23:23]
trinque	this is that for the internet	[23:23]
decimation	if by 'he's saying hello' you mean 'he has nothing to say', then it matters because of clutter	[23:23]
williamdunne	trinque: What about if I call you and say "Hey its Wil"	[23:23]
decimation	williamdunne: a poor but typical substitute for gpg auth	[23:24]
trinque	that conversation would a) not be a part of the public forum and b) if I knew you well, we could more or less establish who each other were by familiarity, but ^ it sucks	[23:24]
trinque	people should auth here for the same reason the deedbot- doesn't take any tattered scrap of paper from the street	[23:25]
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decimation	imagine you were attending a lecture on the fourier transform. now imagine the lecture was taking place in an open booth on a london street	[23:25]
williamdunne	I dunno, I just don't see auth as that important if they're not doing anything extraordinary	[23:25]
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decimation	would class be enhanced by random derps walking in and saying stupid shit?	[23:26]
trinque	williamdunne: stating your opinion is no argument	[23:26]
trinque	if it's not important why not remove the requirement on voice all together	[23:26]
trinque	mjr_: note this is more a point about the general benefits; you can do as you please	[23:27]
decimation	we used to have it that way; random derps would 'drop by and say hello'	[23:27]
trinque	sounds fucking terrible	[23:27]
trinque	see: every IRC channel that's ever been	[23:28]
trinque	eventually rots	[23:28]
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trinque	!up liquidassets	[23:30]
*	assbot gives voice to liquidassets	[23:30]
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*	assbot removes voice from mjr_	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38759 @ 0.00032031 = 12.4149 BTC [-] {2}	[23:32]
trinque	!up mjr_	[23:32]
*	assbot gives voice to mjr_	[23:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78914 @ 0.00032388 = 25.5587 BTC [+] {2}	[23:40]
mjr_	understood	[23:53]
mjr_	but i think comparing this to a class on a fourier transform is QUITE generous	[23:53]
trinque	!down mjr_	[23:54]
*	assbot removes voice from mjr_	[23:54]
trinque	then go fuck yourself.	[23:54]

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