Forum logs for 30 Oct 2019
| feedbot: | http://bingology.net/2019/10/30/the-fucking-election-a-halloween-special/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Fucking Election - A Halloween Special | [04:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | lol BingoBoingo literature | [09:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | too heavyhanded, man, reads more like a preacher tract. gotta give the characters life of their own, not life of the story. | [09:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, you about ? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: now I am | [10:07] |
| mp_en_viaje: | aite, wanna move on to the smg discussion ? | [10:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, ^ | [10:14] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: sure, just not fully clear on what there but I'm all ears | [10:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i wanna load two events for basis. | [10:15] |
| * diana_coman | is listening. | [10:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | do you remember that instance i actually forbade your talking to alf ? | [10:15] |
| diana_coman: | yes, I do. | [10:15] |
| mp_en_viaje: | do you recall that time he managed to sabotage phd's attempted pizarro carrier run ? | [10:16] |
| diana_coman: | the debacle with iron specs? as cited in the time-mgm piece I wrote iirc? | [10:16] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yeah, basically he kept dithering in typical fashion, "being conservative" or whatever, being a moron, and the guy simply couldn't get the geat before flight time | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: this: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-05-feb-2018#2407119 | [10:17] |
| diana_coman: | damn, 1 sec | [10:18] |
| mp_en_viaje: | then ben_vulpes stepped in, and most of what he heard, for years thence, was "oh, you were so underslept you forgot one bag" never "i was such a moron, you had to fly on short notice, i guess ~I~ forgot your bag" | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-02-05#1781873 | [10:18] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2018-02-05 21:11:14 mircea_popescu: and as an added bonus, you now get to go about looking for lords willing to bring your ideas about republican iron to the table, because i'm not further looking for your input on the topic just as i'm not further looking for your input on eucrypt topic. | [10:18] |
| mp_en_viaje: | exactly. | [10:18] |
| diana_coman: | at the point with ben_vulpes I admit I couldn't figure out who was really messing up more there, honestly. | [10:19] |
| mp_en_viaje: | me either but that's moot now isn't it -- bv found his way back into the everyday. | [10:19] |
| diana_coman: | I guess so. | [10:20] |
| mp_en_viaje: | we'll leave the matter of ~why~ "couldn't figure out" for the 3rd discussion, in group as we'll leave the assorted bits and ends, how other than whatever the idiot is doing to sabotage himself, with his "circumspect" "conservative" approach every time he should press an advantage, wasting the time so when shit hits the fan, as shit always hits the fan, he can just be sad instead of ciercumspect, and oh, if only the world were | [10:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | perfectly liniar he could take forever to not do something | [10:21] |
| mp_en_viaje: | there's two major points where his idiocy conceivably sabotaged us. of this, the part where we're certainly not getting people in at the rate he sends them out is not of interest to smg. | [10:22] |
| diana_coman: | myeah. | [10:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but the part where in order to do thing x, you first have to do step 1, and in order to do step 1 you first have to do steps 1.1 and 1.2 and in order to do step 1.1 you first have to do steps 1.1.1, 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 staqu-quo protection very much IS. | [10:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | now, as we stand, he might've infected us with enough stupid to simply die, specifically in the form of such teoria chibritului hardware and software stacks. | [10:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | s.mg stands currently on a lengthy tree of ideological. "we don't use python", "c this" etcetera. | [10:23] |
| diana_coman: | well, there IS on one hand the FFA gem that has however come after the initial projection that he'll do consulting for smg and so I'll have what to use rather than write eucrypt with the salvaged-mpi (though he salvaged that at least) | [10:24] |
| mp_en_viaje: | my first attempt at cutting the gordian knot, on the assumption it's all rot, failed, on the merits. | [10:25] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-11 11:21:04 mp_en_viaje: because he has sexier things to do than what you need and, importantly, because this is WHY he wanted to be a "craftsman" in the first place, and why attempted to scam you into buying custom, rather than standard items : so as to fuck you over by doing "sexier things", because in his broken mind the very thing that impels the "craftsman" misbehaviour also looks at your damage as implicit justification -- in that | [10:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but we absolutely must look at the whole stack, with a clear eye, and clean it of alf idiocy. i don't even care if some useful bits get thrown out in the process so much | [10:25] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: over the past few months I had *loads* of precisely thinking re survival given as the whole client+ graphics+EVERYTHING kept growing as work for me to do rather than ever receding so I can get to developing the actual game on server. | [10:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i want to make sure i've done all i can so i don't end up in the same circle of hell as he, and the rest of them "engineering" retards, from chuck dicksuck to all the rest. | [10:26] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you. | [10:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | they're self-evidently all the same "person", if you can call it that. basically, i'm dealing with the same spam script run wild that's ruined western natural sciences. | [10:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | alright, so then this is the basis. wut do ? | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: in hardware terms, the recent tests re deploying server showed at least that we are not married to any specific arch so I'd say that part should not be a problem | [10:28] |
| diana_coman: | ie I installed it on different amd + 1 intel, fine. | [10:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | unless, of course, in the fractally moronic manner in which he's inhabituated us to expect things to "work", there's a barb in there somewhere. | [10:29] |
| * hanbot_abroad | wonders how anyone would propose to get the salt back out of the bread they've baked. | [10:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot_abroad, throwing out the bread works if that's what happened. | [10:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i will do it, too. | [10:29] |
| hanbot_abroad: | i thought what's here is basically a line drawn in the sand, 'will stand no further than this'. | [10:29] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hm ? | [10:30] |
| hanbot_abroad: | it was withstood, consciously, as long as it was, for good reason that remains good reason, no? | [10:30] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: do you want me to look at alternatives there? at the very least to see what/how/any? | [10:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot_abroad, no. let me explain this clearly : | [10:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, 1sec. | [10:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot_abroad, to use the geometric terminology you introduced : alf never in his life walked a line. what he does is, he spins a circle. | [10:30] |
| mp_en_viaje: | at any given point, if ~you~ draw a line, he'll translate over the place, such that your line is a tangent. and you think, naively, "oh, this man's line and my line are clearly, look, colinear" | [10:31] |
| * diana_coman | sadly recognizes that line+circle from bitter experience (and not even just asciilifeform ). | [10:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | then he starts moving down his circle. and you notice there's a difference if you attempt to discuss it, he'll make the cost of measuring the infinitesimal difference (which nevertheless keeps growing, and at an ever faster pace) infinitely large | [10:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | by insanely elaborate sophistry. | [10:31] |
| mp_en_viaje: | then, at some point, his circular motion actually takes him to diametrically opposed pole to the original tangent point | [10:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | at which juncture you might even point the situation out : look, you moron, you are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED, what the fuck bs you're talking. | [10:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | but, see, it's a circle. past the perihelion he's coming back, so it'll ~seem~ like that "woke him up" | [10:32] |
| mp_en_viaje: | he's now moving towards you, and at an increasingly faster rate | [10:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | except, of course, once he reaches midway. then he starts decelerating and he decelerates even faster. | [10:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and if you've got the time, and the money, "1-1.5 bitcoin (today, of course the fuckface doesn't happen to think he DID NOT say 1-1.5 bitcoin back when he took the quote from) he'll take you for another spin. | [10:33] |
| mp_en_viaje: | and for as many spins as you'd like. | [10:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i don't think it's intentional, in the sense that i don't think alf has the capacity for intentional activity. he's an object, like any chair, or compass, or whatever. | [10:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | so no, there wasn't any line drawn in the sand on the basis of trying to quadrate the circle and throwing tangents at a dangerous idiot. | [10:34] |
| mp_en_viaje: | aite ? | [10:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | diana_coman, i do not know what i want you to do, hence this convo. | [10:35] |
| hanbot_abroad: | mp_en_viaje: digesting | [10:35] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: I suppose there is also the same question applied potentially to the FG and FFA then but fwiw I digested FFA as well as I could and I still think it is a gem, perhaps a pearl better put: quite the result of successive spinnings/polishings | [10:39] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i am not for a second saying there's nothing good or useful i nthere. | [10:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i am saying, qutie plainly, that the man's allegiance is to the inca state, through the intermediate avenue of staqu quo preservation. again, not intentionally, but intention dun enter into any of it. | [10:41] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-17 14:58:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great". | [10:41] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'. | [10:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | the objection, in short, is not that the worm's not delicious, but that the worm's just bait. | [10:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i intend to cut as much as possible fo worm off the hook, and i'm rather willing to take zero than any hook. | [10:42] |
| mp_en_viaje: | yes, it's nice to have the fg but not at the cost of being stuck waiting for an isp that elaborately ain't happening. and so following. | [10:43] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i don't want to pay the thick end to get the thin end, ever. | [10:43] |
| diana_coman: | poisoned offerings, if I understand you correctly. | [10:43] |
| mp_en_viaje: | quite fucking poisoned. look how far they took us! | [10:44] |
| mp_en_viaje: | anyways i suspect now you're adequately impregnated with my wrath, i guess give it a day or two see what the night mind dredges up ? | [10:45] |
| diana_coman: | mp_en_viaje: I'm surprisingly calm and collected but I'm weighing all sorts and yes, I would rather give it a few days. | [10:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | alrighty then! | [10:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | one hour board meeting, THIS is how they go. | [10:48] |
| hanbot_abroad: | mp_en_viaje: i would expect interaction with the republic at all and certainly immersion in l1/frequent discussions with you would cause a great deal of reflection on and revision of held beliefs/paradigms, and sure, even frequently, or many times over. it's a shame that there even exists a specific pattern that'd make this rot, rather than revision. but i guess same can be said about any decay process. | [10:48] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what can i tell you. | [10:50] |
| hanbot_abroad: | well...what about trb then, for instance? | [10:51] |
| mp_en_viaje: | what about trb ? | [10:52] |
| hanbot_abroad: | does it similarly need going over with dental picks for potential extractions? | [10:52] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i expect. | [10:53] |
| hanbot_abroad: | and cuntoo? and the logger? | [10:54] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot_abroad, i'm actually paying to have the logger fixed, get the ass-sucking dependency he baked in there as an idiot taken out. | [10:55] |
| mp_en_viaje: | cuntoo iirc was trinque's work not so sure how it stands these days, there was some drama that didn't resolve any. | [10:56] |
| mp_en_viaje: | fucking flask for fuck's sake. | [10:57] |
| diana_coman: | cuntoo is currently the genesis + roadmap really but at any rate, trinque's indeed. | [11:09] |
| * hanbot_abroad | realizes she confused a hand-out asciilifeform kernel config for direct involvement | [11:14] |
| hanbot_abroad: | anyway. ima stare sadly into the gloomy hungarian day awhile. | [11:17] |
| diana_coman: | !!v 634A618F72BE1801945FD7253B326DE35C05CCF57B8A52FF24ECC97EA6146033 | [11:20] |
| deedbot: | diana_coman rated dorion 2 << my pageboy writes at http://dorion-mode.com/ | [11:20] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty great 1938 sovok trial going here. ( tho for some reason mp, in role of andrey vyshinsky, forgot to unplug asciilifeform's microphone ? and process the confession ? ) | [13:32] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-29 15:43:39 asciilifeform: same as above, but decodable by mp_en_viaje key . | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | 'overloaded the trains to wear out the rails of our motherland'(tm)(r). | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948747 << apparently mp's allegiance is to the inca state. with ~himself~ in role of the great inca. | [13:35] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:38:52 mp_en_viaje: i am saying, qutie plainly, that the man's allegiance is to the inca state, through the intermediate avenue of staqu quo preservation. again, not intentionally, but intention dun enter into any of it. | [13:35] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-17 14:58:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great". | [13:35] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'. | [13:35] |
| mp_en_viaje: | seems the model's already breaking down then ? | [13:36] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: maybe, which is why bothering to answer. | [13:37] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948712 << there's no chance we're going to the same hell, mp_en_viaje . we're going to different hells, aint room enuff in 1 for both of us. | [13:38] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:24:17 mp_en_viaje: i want to make sure i've done all i can so i don't end up in the same circle of hell as he, and the rest of them "engineering" retards, from chuck dicksuck to all the rest. | [13:38] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-09-09 05:40:35 mircea_popescu: all sorta chuck moores, "famous" and apparently ever so good and useful, just WAITING for you to give them a chance to strangle you. | [13:38] |
| mp_en_viaje: | making contradictory statements every other line is not called "answer" moreover don't strain yourself, there's unique gossipd nodes awaiting and things. | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: i dun have kilometre of buffer, maybe half dozen moar. ( atm waiting for walletron refill tx to get mined so i can settle invoice , and BingoBoingo to post photos for final manifest. ) | [13:40] |
| mp_en_viaje: | enjoy. | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | so, it happens that i agree 100% with mp_en_viaje's 'wat-do' -- yes, throw out the poisoned offerings. all of'em. go to stone age circa 2013, remake yer tech stack w/ own steam ( and remember to properly steal the asciilifeform creations you can't actually do without, pick a designated aryan to assign credit. ) | [13:45] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:22:55 mp_en_viaje: but we absolutely must look at the whole stack, with a clear eye, and clean it of alf idiocy. i don't even care if some useful bits get thrown out in the process so much | [13:45] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:40:58 diana_coman: poisoned offerings, if I understand you correctly. | [13:45] |
| asciilifeform: | or, even simpler, go straight to microshit, they've a ready-made stack for errything, incl. crypto, with absolutely 0 asciilifeform 'worm shite' in it. | [13:46] |
| mp_en_viaje: | something in between, at any rate. | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | 'republic of php' ftw. флаг в руки. | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | if asciilifeform in fact hypnotized people into taking up his charlatanry, then the Right Thing is a '-10 : effectively scammed me for 7y out of grip of realty' from erryone who agrees. | [13:48] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun even grasp, mp_en_viaje , why mp_en_viaje et al are in 'omfg wat-do' mode. the Right Thing to do , per mp_en_viaje's handbook, and all written tradition, is ~exactly~ this. | [13:50] |
| mp_en_viaje: | our readings of tradition differ. | [13:51] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why did mp_en_viaje not yet accept asciilifeform's resignation ? | [13:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i got actual shit to do dude, go larp somewhere else. | [13:53] |
| asciilifeform: | rright | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | indeed i expect mp_en_viaje is very busy nao, what with mailing out razor blades an' page #s where asciilifeform has to be cut outta the great soviet encyclopaedia. | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | personally i recommend replacement article 'asclepius'. (like 'bering straight' went instead of beria.) | [13:59] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948771 << the 6mo i spent in '15 figuring out how to perma-remove poettering from gentoo, apparently not count. ( tho, for consistency: gentoo per se is , turns out, hypnotic scam perpetrated by asciilifeform , there's a perfectly fine!111 os you can buy from redmond, no evil craftsmen required to maintain ) | [14:03] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 11:11:37 hanbot_abroad: realizes she confused a hand-out asciilifeform kernel config for direct involvement | [14:03] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948752 << y'know, it's a 100% published item -- anyone whose hands grow from torso, and not arse, and at very small expense, can make his own fg. ( but do you ~want~ to, what if 'poisoned offering' , and whole idea of 'need trng' is saboteur heresy ? ) | [14:09] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:40:47 mp_en_viaje: yes, it's nice to have the fg but not at the cost of being stuck waiting for an isp that elaborately ain't happening. and so following. | [14:09] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform for instance is aboutta put'em back into production. ( mp_en_viaje asked to repossess whole current stock, which he'll get, when posts where he wants'em to go and so happens that i'ma need new ones. ) | [14:10] |
| asciilifeform: | ( it aint clear for what mp_en_viaje wants'em, aside from outta spite, if they're a work of sabotage but it aint my place to ask ) | [14:12] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948702 << this is pretty interesting : apparently ~asciilifeform~ 'sent'em out', and not the fuhrer issuing '-10 : insufficient commitment to revolution' like candy. | [14:14] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:19:25 mp_en_viaje: there's two major points where his idiocy conceivably sabotaged us. of this, the part where we're certainly not getting people in at the rate he sends them out is not of interest to smg. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948740 << right, the only trooly intentional act is to sit in cafe and smoke cigar made of benjies. whereas to try an' sew some sorta usable purse outta 30 yrs of 'tech market' sow's ear , is what furniture does. ( at least mp_en_viaje is 100% consistent with his greeks, aristotle would sign under this. 'kings -- intention, while work is what livestock does' .) | [14:17] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:31:45 mp_en_viaje: i don't think it's intentional, in the sense that i don't think alf has the capacity for intentional activity. he's an object, like any chair, or compass, or whatever. | [14:17] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, looky, i get it, it's unpleasant to wake up in the morning and read today's log. it can't be helped moreover, you built it, systematically an' carefully, by your very own self, an' against the opinion, advice an' as close to knock upside your dumb head as anyone managed. what can you ask of people, that they fly over and literally beat you into sense ? | [14:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | it's what it is you don't like it, you shouldn't have made it. | [14:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | otherwise, since ~literally~ 100% of the crap on the "free" and "open" anglo internet is ~LITERAL~ fucking restatement of the ~~~EXACT FUCKING SAME~~~ five line passage from harvard's 1999 offering of doubleplusgood truth&realities (if you don't count a very carefully expurgated version on "marxists.org" -- lulzily, "dog" appears exactly once "vulture" not at | [14:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | all), i'll forego quoting anything but cliffnotes instead of likbez, comrade Vyshinsky was a very peculiar sort of MC. | [14:26] |
| mp_en_viaje: | entirely nothing in common with any sort of european understanding of law or legal proceeding he was rather the guy on the porn set going "fuck that whore"/"whop that twist" whatever, or else the dude at the frat party chanting "drink! drink!", or if you prefer the boomboxing dude behind the rappers or what have you. he was the bumstcz dude, what, like at a yupik manhut party exactly. | [14:26] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: actually i disagree that it's unpleasant. i fully expected you'd stall for weeks. but much better to have the firing squad when ready, and not when 'weeks of reflection', this is sumthing i think sovok got right | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948815 << ftr ~asciilifeform~ likes his 7o of works just fine. and will continue to make'em available, and developed, in the obvious place. (for whom? for folx who get tired of 'php republic' for folx who stuck b/w mp_en_viaje's hammer and anvil , having to actually make the systems go, while elaborately pretending to do it with properly blessed 'aryan physics' or for no one at al | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | l, makes 0 diff. ) | [14:33] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 14:23:32 mp_en_viaje: it's what it is you don't like it, you shouldn't have made it. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | this is spelled out in asciilifeform's resignation, which ( as mp_en_viaje 'can't be arsed to larp!11' ) i'ma drop into deedbot when the tx clears and BB returns photos etc. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | if possible i'd like to collect all the due -10 bullets from the firing squad which 'went to reflect' 1st. but this is purely asciilifeform's aesthetic pref, obv. not necessarily will be followed. 'let those w/out sin throw 1st stone.' | [14:36] |
| mp_en_viaje: | meanwhile in more practical considerations, today's log went from 2k words before you woke up to 4k words currently, while the snr went from 90% to 50% or so. it's not even simply the instant fact that none of your lines contribute on the desirable side -- it's that the whole show's a fucking re-run! | [14:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i sit here watching the redancing of a dance you danced coupla years ago, knowing full well you'll come full circle from this, as from all other positions. it's... | [14:41] |
| mp_en_viaje: | really, it's a waste of pixels. | [14:41] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: but of course. 7y+ waste of pixels, obv. so let's then settle all the objectively unfinished biz ( trinque where is tx 5e2b91f003f4af577244005ee0fd57701a03abeae76323716d06eb71f49b7837 ? ) and be done. | [14:43] |
| asciilifeform: | i fully expect that the folx for whom turd turns to sausage when it is decreed from throne in 100% grammatical latin, will carry on their php rewrites, cpp rewrites, etc. w/out skipping a beat. i have nfi what they even went to 'reflect' about. | [14:46] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: if you are aiming that at me, then have the decency to say it to my face and with name, will you? | [14:46] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: aimed at the whole l1, not you in particular. tho if shoe fits, can wear , if you want. | [14:47] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: no, there is no such thing as aimed at a level name people if you are aiming at anyone or otherwise don't just throw words about. | [14:48] |
| asciilifeform: | aite, diana_coman : let's then at you. did asciilifeform hypnotize you into 'wrecking' smg product ? | [14:49] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: you did not hypnotize me into anything. | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: you in fact read & signed the patches of all items i touched that were put to use in smg. so per mp_en_viaje's philosophy, that makes you equal to the orig author. if the item you signed indeed was product of artful sabotage, you an' i are equally answerable . | [14:51] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: that's none of your concern. | [14:51] |
| asciilifeform: | same goes for the trb users. (wai they not 'went over with comb' ~before~ ? it's what signing means. 'i understand what i'm signing.' ) | [14:51] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 10:49:58 hanbot_abroad: does it similarly need going over with dental picks for potential extractions? | [14:51] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: rright, folx going about not only using vtron, but teaching entire university course on it, while ignoring the basic logical consistency of 'i signed, i am equally responsible' aint none of my concern, aite. | [14:53] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: no MY responsibility for MY acts is not YOUR concern nor your hiding place. | [14:53] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: i aint interested in a 'hiding place', but a proper firing squad. in case wasn't clear. | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | I am fine to answer for my own sig on what I signed. | [14:54] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: this daddy hurt me routine is embarrassing, man. | [14:54] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: so I gather you are dissapointed there isn't one fine. | [14:54] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: my observation is that mp_en_viaje set up ~circular~ firing squad, that is sure to continue after asciilifeform properly drummed out. | [14:55] |
| diana_coman: | asciilifeform: all right. | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: you think mp_en_viaje needs echoes, 'yes men' ? fella knows what he wants. ( what wants, is to somehow have working tech, while cutting off own hands. incidentally yer prolly next hand to be cut. ) | [14:59] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-21 10:15:42 mp_en_viaje: the second, which is the hanging matter, is that i meanwhile specced a new functioning of ratings and voicing, the to-spec execution of which being the very bedrock upon which deedbot payments even work. come april or whatever, i'm not about to do the old style lordship ratings, | [14:59] |
| trinque: | it is this, where you respond to what you wish, instead of what someone else has said, you realize? | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: if you like. ( this, i learned from the master. ) | [15:00] |
| trinque: | if I don't get it done, it'll have been me, and not daddy having been mean... whereas. | [15:02] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: where's the line where asciilifeform blames mp_en_viaje ( or trinque , et al ) for an item that aint done ? | [15:03] |
| trinque: | the sad thing in your case is that you're so intelligent of a particular kind, you think it excuses you to be undeveloped in all other areas. | [15:03] |
| trinque: | rather, these things aren't even thought they're felt and then angrily and fearfully defended. | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | again w/ the psychobabbles. as if i've any need to 'excuses'. i'm speaking strictly to spell out the logical implications of what mp_en_viaje said, for the thick. ( and incidentally i dun disagree w/ him, if you want to be rid not only of asciilifeform but of his ghost, you gotta rewrite it all in php, cpp, on microshit... ) | [15:06] |
| trinque: | if you had so much contempt for us all, that without you we're nothing, why take so long to say so? | [15:06] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: why would i bother to expand, if 'had contempt' ? i entirely respect the l1. which is why would like a proper, well-reasoned bullet from each remaining lord. | [15:08] |
| asciilifeform: | ( vs a ' mp_en_viaje proclaimed damnatio memoriae , and we'll all follow along like automata ' ) | [15:09] |
| trinque: | friend says "shower" and you say "take me, stink and all, or bullet!" | [15:11] |
| * trinque | bbl | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: let's have yours. did asciilifeform sabotage your products ? contaminated w/ charlatanry ? | [15:11] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://bingology.net/2019/10/29/preliminary-inventory-of-items-once-hosted-by-pizarro-and-presently-in-my-care/ << Updated with requested photos | [15:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | bimbo (who watched walk of shame with us yesterday, and was very miffed at the whole premise -- "that dumb bitch, they even speak her language!" as one who has spent days exactly in the manner there depicted but in rando orclands, she's quite entitled to the pov) : "so... umm... i published an article... it's not very good..." | [15:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "that's ok, honey. everything's better than the channel nowabouts." | [15:23] |
| mp_en_viaje: | from whence we discern that timing really is everything. | [15:23] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2019/10/1000-words-a-day/ << Bimbo Club -- 1000 words a day. | [15:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-30#1948678 << tyvm, the dialogue and punchline were banging around in my head for a couple hours. Had to dump it in the publish box to get the exercise in. | [15:25] |
| ossabot: | Logged on 2019-10-30 06:40:40 mp_en_viaje: too heavyhanded, man, reads more like a preacher tract. gotta give the characters life of their own, not life of the story. | [15:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | fiar enuff | [15:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | I can't expect myself to shift right away into great fiction writing. Blog's for stretching the braincase. | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque i rec to print out this log and reread it at your own tribunal. which will come ifnot this april, then next april, or whenever mp_en_viaje decides to rip off yer epaulettes for not coming up with 'biz plan' where you live on threepence/day to rewrite deedbot in php. | [15:30] |
| * asciilifeform | will bbl will process BingoBoingo's item after tea. | [15:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: You have the link to the full tarball from yesterday if anything important seems to be missing. | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: the 1 missing item is the pile of FGs not inside machines. | [16:32] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i'ma post a similar photocatalogue later today of the small inventory here. and sign the text description. | [16:33] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Alright, I'll open up the S.MG boxes while I'm at it. | [16:35] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: we retrofitted FG into trinque's also, but he paid for those. so only open his if he requests. | [16:36] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: I removed those during the count as trinque has made it clear that he has little interest in the future of that chassis. I am also now going to have to put statement and not archaeology on the to do list to sort out wtf is going on with that, because it does affect the meaning of the count. | [16:39] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: by all means make exact count plz. | [16:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | There is an exact count. The problem now is resolving title on members of the counted set. | [16:41] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i'ma put this in the signed statement, but 2 of the fg here belong, presently, to piz. the rest (in fact factory tailings that were never on the official books) -- to mp. and ideally he'll say where he wants'em mailed, when properly proclaims liquidation. | [16:42] |
| asciilifeform: | while mp_en_viaje prolly intends to try an' paint asciilifeform as a thief, on top of charlatan, i've no intention of making ~that~ job easy for him. | [16:44] |
| asciilifeform: | if asciilifeform is 'thief', then what he 'stole' is , i suppose, republic's tech stack. and 'stole' via same mechanism that mp 'steals' gurlz from castratos, i.e. by simply showing up. it aint my fault that asciilifeform's left hand flew circles around errybody else's collective pairs of hands historically. | [16:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( pet (who ate 100% log) to a: 'so, finally '38, he declared you a враг народа, eh' a:'aha. i expect transport crate that fits you will be showing up soon as you know, mp claims ownership of all gurlz, yer gettin' repossessed' p : 'lol' ) | [16:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: I understand your desire to construct a defense, but look. I just took apart and reassembled a hand stack of machines to get two photos at your request. You introduced a potential competing claim to title on some of the FUCKGOATS, which I will investigate as I must. However the count and all the photos in the world don't mean shit if you sign off on a S.NSA closing inventory that includes items other folks hold the title | [16:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | to. THAT would make problems. | [16:58] |
| mp_en_viaje: | wouldja put all the rest of this in #asciilifeform, where it properly belongs ? | [16:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | mp_en_viaje: Alright | [16:58] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: will put. gotta sort out who the FG must go to tho, before can sign on these. | [16:59] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i'm trying to establish that all the FG that went to piz, minus 2, are in fact at piz. is all. | [16:59] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i dunno why all this herpy-derp anyways, wasn't s.nsa interest in pizarro a btc or thereabouts ? what's all the hw wank ? | [17:00] |
| asciilifeform: | mp_en_viaje: you ordered a full iron inventory of anyffin that may fall under snsa, so it's happening. | [17:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | mp_en_viaje: 0.9 | [17:00] |
| mp_en_viaje: | BingoBoingo, right | [17:01] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun care to read any bullshit later that e.g. asciilifeform put 1 in his back pocket and hid. | [17:02] |
| mp_en_viaje: | asciilifeform, so the inventory of pizarro in #pizarro, asciilifeform 's self-penned philippicae, in #asciilifeform and so on | [17:02] |
| asciilifeform: | i did ask earlier for BingoBoingo to put the #p proceedings in #p . imho is where belongs. | [17:03] |
| snsabot: | Logged on 2019-10-28 16:20:50 asciilifeform: moar alive nao than ever. as for mp_en_viaje , plox to post the signed addr. piz liquidators, plox to take proceedings to #p. folx who intend to continue to crib off asciilifeform's work, which continues, or want functioning hosting : to #a. (which i'ma take is no longer official mp castle, i'ma take off the sign shortly.) next gen of FG will still be produced, on asciilifeform's dime ( and i'ma respect mp_en_vi | [17:03] |
| asciilifeform: | the final output i'ma put on own www, as mp_en_viaje explicitly req'd. | [17:04] |
| mp_en_viaje: | alright then. | [17:05] |
| mp_en_viaje: | "Eleanor Winsor Leach claimed, in her Lacanian analysis Gendering Clodius" bwahahaha HORY SHIT these retards. | [17:20] |
| feedbot: | http://thewhet.net/2019/10/central-european-retrospective-austria/ << The Whet -- Central European Retrospective: Austria | [17:40] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/10/us-federal-reserve-commits-to-making-usd-still-cheaper/ << Qntra -- US Federal Reserve Commits To Making USD Still Cheaper | [20:13] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/10/us-court-family-not-entitled-to-compensation-after-police-destroyed-home-pursuing-shoplifter/ << Qntra -- US Court: Family Not Entitled To Compensation After Police Destroyed Home Pursuing Shoplifter | [20:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | In local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Tres-personas-intentaron-ingresar-a-planta-de-explosivos-del-Ejercito-en-Florida-uc734275 | [21:14] |
| mp_en_viaje: | uy makes its own gunpowder ?! | [21:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | They've got plenty of cellulose, now beating beef as an export in real value terms. Difficult to be certain the the extent a "planta de explosivos" is actually a factory. | [21:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | There is a faint, cottage scale, remnant of a domestic arms industry. | [21:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | otoh guncotton (aka nitrocellulose) trivial enough to make, even 13yo me made some. | [21:22] |
| mp_en_viaje: | in there with filament lightbulbs and such, africa-level techs. | [21:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | Right, I am uncertain the extent to which things here do as claimed. "Planta de explosives" could be the exact equivalent of a western farm kid's back shed except with uniforms and such. | [21:25] |
| mp_en_viaje: | i see it. | [21:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | Kinda like how here the local police seccional is where old men hang out while younger men in uniforms take reports to enter into the official record as a sorta notary. | [21:27] |
| mp_en_viaje: | police work these days is pretty much the lulz of all time. | [21:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | It appears so | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | I mean here they'll put a tiny girl and a derpy, funny guy walking a beat. Then they'll have the guy built for a fight doing his best to hunt and pick type reports, straining all the while. | [21:48] |
| BingoBoingo: | And folks wonder why the people working the cash trucks here went from revolvers and shotguns when I arrived to having a fellow this week with a .30 caliber, AR-10 type rifle. | [21:51] |
| BingoBoingo: | Among the other armed folk | [21:51] |
| mp_en_viaje: | lotta sit-on-ass-take-exam involved. | [21:53] |
| mp_en_viaje: | derpy guy & girl did better on paper at walking beats, so... | [21:53] |
| BingoBoingo: | On further reading it turns out that plant apparently produces explosives for the slowly growing mining sector | [21:59] |
| mp_en_viaje: | hanbot_abroad, you know your pics are fucking great, SO BIG | [22:00] |
| lobbes: | ^ indeed, looking through them I realize how small my photo post pics are in comparison. Will need to remedy this on next one | [22:33] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2019/10/apples/ << Bimbo Club -- Apples | [22:35] |
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