Forum logs for 30 Dec 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
cutco: why freenode then [00:02]
danielpbarron: why efnet? [00:06]
phf: maybe he means why freenode when you're going to have a gatekeeper? [00:09]
cutco: yes [00:09]
phf: this also apropos http://pbfcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/PBF234-Finneas.png [00:10]
mircea_popescu: !!up cutco [00:28]
deedbot: cutco voiced for 30 minutes. [00:28]
mircea_popescu: cutco : historical accident, no more. [00:28]
* mircea_popescu shall drop https://bananabo.xyz/ here. installgentoo.com runs an irc server apparently and you could get mysqldbs and a real gnu/linux shell! [00:30]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/we-shall-now-read-anathem/ << Trilema - We shall now read Anathem... [00:48]
deedbot: pete_dushenski: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zwEy5/?raw=true [05:29]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/a-gift-of-memory/ << Trilema - A gift of memory [08:08]
shinohai: From now on, I shall only !!up if I have rated you and the sum of 0.001 as introductory fee is paid to my deedbot coffers. ( trinque/foundation taxes may apply ) [10:27]
ben_vulpes: shinohai: kinda silly, if you posrate someone they can up themselves [11:10]
diana_coman: also: give people a bit of rope to hang themselves with, what if any sort of constraint makes sense it might be to ask them to register a key first *before* they get voice [11:15]
ben_vulpes: lending voice not yet so fraught as to be a formal introduction [11:56]
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing [12:29]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [12:29]
diana_coman: where's your castle zineKing ? [12:30]
zineKing: irc.jollo.org #sally [12:42]
mircea_popescu: whassat ? [12:43]
zineKing: my castle [12:43]
zineKing: duh? [12:43]
mircea_popescu: well yes lol [12:43]
zineKing: i am down for the cause [12:44]
zineKing: i have written many zines [12:44]
zineKing: hence, i am the zineKing [12:44]
mircea_popescu: o hey. link one ? [12:44]
zineKing: ">This channel is logged." [12:44]
zineKing: nty fed [12:44]
asciilifeform: lol!! [12:44]
mircea_popescu: um [12:44]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-30-dec-2017#2386396 << it's so people can read shit later. [12:45]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:44 zineKing: nty fed [12:45]
mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/ [12:46]
mircea_popescu: i suppose if we get tired of freenode we move to... jollo o.O [12:49]
ben_vulpes: certainly has better art [12:49]
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see any "code of conduct", which by now screams pantsuit like "real estate values" scream cardboard houses. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: zineKing is it your network or do you just hang out there ? [12:57]
mircea_popescu: heh [12:59]
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing [12:59]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [12:59]
BingoBoingo: !!up zineKing [13:33]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [13:33]
BingoBoingo: Whos is your daddy and what does he do? [13:33]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [13:35]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 12618.0, vol: 21944.12049436 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 12240.0, vol: 73926.72550639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12688.8, vol: 4615.60117028 | Volume-weighted last average: 12343.161766 [13:35]
shinohai: re th silliness is precisely the point ben_vulpes ... i turned of pms except for lords, most like jurov use /query instead anyway the proper way [13:38]
shinohai: spamola bots daily [13:39]
ben_vulpes: funnily i experience this approximately never [13:43]
asciilifeform: in other archaeolulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g-dyG-3uxQ [13:58]
ben_vulpes: !!rate jawbone2 1 new blood [14:42]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Jvy3T/?raw=true [14:42]
ben_vulpes: !!v 02AEF7A724ECDDFE7D2A98B31B1104BE71D04CC8985E4D2008CED0AA8D1654E4 [14:42]
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated jawbone2 1 << new blood [14:42]
ben_vulpes: now up thyself [14:42]
jawbone2: Thank you for you help ben_vulpes [14:48]
jawbone2: It is a pleasure to finally be speaking here. [14:48]
jawbone2: I would like to set up a full republican node. I have the hardware and the instructions from the bitcoin foundation are pretty clear. I would like to know if you have any recommendations for a VPN service with port forwarding of course. [14:50]
jawbone2: I live in the US. [14:50]
trinque: what's the vpn for? [14:51]
jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation. [14:53]
ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere [14:55]
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats [14:55]
jawbone2: Ok. when you say bitcoin node hardware do you mean specialty hardware with ASIC chips? [14:57]
jawbone2: Or just have the bitcoin node running on it's own machine [14:58]
ben_vulpes: no dude, asics are for mining [14:58]
ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80. [14:59]
jawbone2: Got it. Then I can just use Dynamic DNS to give me a permanent IP address right? [15:00]
ben_vulpes: shouldn't need a permanent IP to run a node. it's a good thing, and a requirement for running a srsbsns anything, but you can drop connections and reconnect to the bitcoin network regularly without much hassle. [15:00]
ben_vulpes: afaik you don't even need to be able to do incoming connections, although you are a leech upon the network if you don't. [15:01]
trinque: I don't find that my home ISP changes IP more than every few months, at least. [15:01]
jawbone2: I see. The instructions I have assume a static IP address. I can do incoming connections just not on port 80. [15:02]
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: are you talking about the myip flag? [15:03]
ben_vulpes: nothing in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html mentions static IPs, so let's clear this up [15:04]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if yer ip moves, yer node becomes unconnectable-to ( and will merrily carry on broadcasting old ip to others as a seed) [15:05]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and a node that cannot be externally connected to is an eater, not a plower [15:06]
jawbone2: I see so when I start the bitcoin demon I put in my current IP. Then if it changes I'll need to update it? [15:06]
jawbone2: Yes I'm talking about the myip flag [15:07]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, i made that latter point. [15:08]
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: yes, if you are so unlucky as to only have access to a dynamic ip, you must reboot your node with a new ip in myip lest ye 'eat' and now 'plough' [15:08]
ben_vulpes: would be neat to patch trb to have this dynamically settable, and nothard either, see settxfee [15:09]
ben_vulpes: idem versionstring as asciilifeform mentioned [15:09]
jawbone2: If I used Dynamic DNS to get a static IP would that get around this problem? [15:09]
ben_vulpes: perhaps, i do not know what promises they make. [15:09]
ben_vulpes: but 'try it and see'! [15:10]
ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working [15:11]
jawbone2: Indeed I shall. Thank you. Quick question do I now have a rating so I can voice myself in the future or is the rating only temporary. [15:11]
ben_vulpes: alternatively, jawbone2, rent some virtualized hardware and -connect your homenode to it [15:11]
ben_vulpes: jawbone2: i don't purge ratings on much more than a once-every-other-quarter basis, so you've got some time [15:12]
ben_vulpes: no promises, of course [15:12]
jawbone2: Understood. Thank you for your help. [15:12]
ben_vulpes: stop by and update us with node sync process regularly and you'll be ahead of 90% of the pack, sadly [15:13]
jawbone2: Got it. [15:13]
ben_vulpes: btw, who are you? do you keep a blog anywhere? [15:13]
jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project [15:14]
ben_vulpes: nice to meetcha, jim [15:15]
jawbone2: Indeed you too, Ben. I've been reading Trilema the blog for a long while and lurking here for a little while. This is an undiscovered country. [15:17]
ben_vulpes: surprisingly well know, just not really discussed in 'mainstream'/pantsuit media due to the dump truck loads of fear it inspires [15:19]
jawbone2: Indeed [15:21]
esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80 [16:38]
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071 << Loper OS - Finite Field Arithmetic. Chapter 5: Egyptological Multiplication and Division. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761181 << there's no good answer to this question tmsr isp still in the making. try something and report back basically. [16:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:53 jawbone2: I would like to run the bitcoin node and a small webserver. My ISP would require a much more expensive business account to open port 80. A VPN with a static IP on the other end would allow me to get around this limitation. [16:51]
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf plox to snarf ch5 [16:51]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761182 << eh, if he's looking for a "vpn" rather than renting a box, there's no divorcing on the table. gotta buy a box before you can buy two boxes. [16:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:55 ben_vulpes: divorce these concerns, run a bitcoin node on bitcoin node hardware, and a webserver elsewhere [16:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, poems included in the price now ? [16:52]
asciilifeform: aha!11 [16:52]
mircea_popescu: !!up pehbot [16:57]
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes. [16:57]
mircea_popescu: !A .FA55F3F5459A9E799FD0913737C3FCBE74C01A9C3CE54F80083E16F27091F65F.0\# [16:57]
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 [16:57]
asciilifeform: grrr [16:57]
asciilifeform: not updated yet!! [16:57]
mircea_popescu: aok. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: what is in principle acceptable as a proof that division works ? [16:59]
asciilifeform: !A .2.2*## [16:59]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004 [16:59]
mircea_popescu: ideally short of a list of all 256 bit operations. [16:59]
asciilifeform: !A .A.3\## [16:59]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 [16:59]
asciilifeform: !A .A.3\#[,]# [17:00]
pehbot: asciilifeform: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000003 [17:00]
asciilifeform: ^easier on the eyes [17:00]
asciilifeform: !A .FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*## [17:00]
pehbot: asciilifeform: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFE0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 [17:00]
asciilifeform: ^ observe that this is a correct 512bit product [17:01]
mircea_popescu: indeed. [17:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re proof -- you go from the definition of division, where it finds integers x*y + r , etc [17:02]
mircea_popescu: !A .FEDCBA0.FEDCBA0*#[-]# [17:03]
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000-00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000FDBABF68372400 [17:03]
asciilifeform: recall that * produces ~2~ nums. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: yes. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]# [17:04]
mircea_popescu: !A .F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0.0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F0F*#[-]# [17:04]
pehbot: mircea_popescu: 0E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3-B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E0FF1D3B597795B3D1F00E2C4A6886A4C2E10 [17:04]
mircea_popescu: ^ prng. [17:05]
asciilifeform: lol [17:05]
mircea_popescu: !!!!1 [17:05]
asciilifeform: Сом Считает без ошибки!!1111 [17:06]
mircea_popescu: !~translate ukr to fr Сом Считает без ошибки [17:06]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: No translations found. [17:06]
mircea_popescu: apparently google did not recognize ukrainian. [17:06]
asciilifeform: !~translate ru to ro Сом Считает без ошибки [17:07]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Somul contează fără eroare [17:07]
asciilifeform: ohah notbad [17:07]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:07]
mircea_popescu: it's somn in romanian, ftr. [17:07]
asciilifeform: hmm [17:08]
mircea_popescu: provided som in orig is catfish rather than pike ? [17:08]
asciilifeform: is [17:08]
asciilifeform: lol yet another boobytrap [17:08]
mircea_popescu: yeah. somnul numara fara gresala. [17:08]
asciilifeform: the latter a not wholly false cognate -- we have погрешность , i.e. instrument error , and from the slavonic root грех , i.e. sin [17:09]
mircea_popescu: "conteaza" is the bigger caltrop there, yes it's cognate with english "to count" but it strictle means "to matter, to be important", never the actual arithmetical procedure [17:09]
asciilifeform: aaa as in 'them peons dun count for half a shit' [17:10]
mircea_popescu: ayep [17:10]
* asciilifeform pictures montypython's sacramental 'the french are revolting' [17:10]
mircea_popescu: and yes, gresala used deliberately because ro convention is to use slavonic roots for slavonic originals. [17:10]
mircea_popescu: so heure would be put as ora but ceas as ... ceas. [17:10]
* asciilifeform did notice this. [17:11]
mircea_popescu: otherwise "eroare" quite available. [17:11]
asciilifeform: to round off thread -- asciilifeform very much enjoying rewriting ( and it is , yes , a total rewrite ) ffa [17:12]
mircea_popescu: it shows. [17:12]
mircea_popescu: some rewrites are better than others, turns out. [17:12]
asciilifeform: re-walked the literature , also. [17:13]
* mircea_popescu also generally enjoys refucking slavegirl, even if fucked well the first time. [17:13]
asciilifeform: in other noose from asciilifeform's chamber of horrors : zoolag continues to astonish -- at tip of the spear continuously since reaching sync [17:14]
mircea_popescu: # MichaŠGórny <mgorny@gentoo.org>, Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org>, << well it's good to know all the effort was worthwile, orcs get their name spelled correctly. [17:15]
asciilifeform: lol!! [17:15]
mircea_popescu: micharmstrong gapowerofthreerny [17:15]
asciilifeform: бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК? [17:15]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, not an expert in orcology. [17:16]
asciilifeform: btw бНОПНЯ has the same magical power as îțâșă [17:16]
mircea_popescu: to me it always read as equiv of ro znopi [17:16]
asciilifeform: i.e. it readily and without explanation invokes image of a shambles [17:16]
mircea_popescu: deceased word, only survives in expression "to beat to shit" [17:17]
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to ru l-am znopit in bataie [17:17]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Я избил его в избиении [17:17]
asciilifeform: lol!! [17:17]
asciilifeform: mebbe like engl 'thrash' ? [17:17]
asciilifeform: ( which i suspect was corrupted 'thresh' ) [17:17]
mircea_popescu: nah, i expect it's actually alt-spelling of snop (hay ballot) [17:18]
asciilifeform: how many current-day englischers know what threshing was. [17:18]
asciilifeform: well yes we have сноп [17:18]
mircea_popescu: right. [17:18]
mircea_popescu: i suppose thrashed very good equivalence by mechanism. [17:18]
asciilifeform: aha, the сноп ref immediately led me to it [17:20]
asciilifeform: does ro have 'рубить в капусту' ? [17:20]
asciilifeform: ( 'to chop [somebody] 'into cabbage' ') [17:20]
mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en fideluta [17:21]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: chopped [17:21]
mircea_popescu: notrly. asciilifeform "thin pasta" [17:21]
asciilifeform: lol! worx [17:21]
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, "to make a cabbage out of things" very much still in use [17:21]
mircea_popescu: heck, i think i recently did myself [17:21]
asciilifeform: this i saw yea [17:21]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1760025 << there. superlative of the notion. [17:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:55 mircea_popescu: now let's not make cluj cabbage of everything else too! [17:22]
asciilifeform: why cluj tho [17:22]
hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza? [17:22]
mircea_popescu: hanbot that exists ? [17:22]
asciilifeform: now exists!111 [17:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian has utterly absurd fixed superlatives for most idiomatics. [17:22]
hanbot: ^ [17:22]
mircea_popescu: hanbot care go give some examples ? [17:23]
hanbot: yeah, not sanctioned afaik. [17:23]
mircea_popescu: for instance : to be utterly clueless, entirely unprepared, ineffectual and worthless -- such as for an exam of some kind, "a fi tufa", ie, "being a bush". [17:24]
mircea_popescu: the superlative of this, however, "tufa de venetia", ie, Venice bush. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: why ? the texts do not record why. but ~everyone knows. [17:24]
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu will appreciate the phunphakt that asciilifeform originally sat down to make an animatedgif of the egyptological algos' mechanics. but eventually gave up and Wrote Wordz [17:26]
mircea_popescu: being large, self centered and insensate, like a really annoying fat older woman ? vaca. (cow). but as a superlative, "vaca cu cabina", ie, cow with a booth. [17:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, i was chuckling over this yest. [17:26]
asciilifeform: hm? [17:27]
mircea_popescu: the svg thing [17:27]
asciilifeform: aa [17:27]
asciilifeform: not hard to guess, eh. what else would asciilifeform be doing with svgism. [17:27]
mod6: <+trinque> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SNOOi/?raw=true << gcc-4.9.4 OFFICIALLY!!1!1! deprecated by gentoo bureaucrats << wtf. srsly now. [17:27]
mircea_popescu: tho did not say anything because not particularily fair, victory delivered by the idiocy of tool. [17:27]
asciilifeform: i even pulled ye olde postscript red an' blue b00kz off the shelf, in the end [17:27]
asciilifeform: but eventually 'fuckit' [17:28]
asciilifeform: who wants -- can go and make it. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: this is a problem that will recur [17:28]
asciilifeform: indeed [17:28]
trinque: mod6: that's just to train the hole for future jamming-in of clang [17:28]
mircea_popescu: honestly i am inspired by zineKing chan example, i suspect the better solution may actually be 1980s style ascii art. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: not SO hard to use the god damned ascii pipes simple and double to make schematics. [17:29]
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta-usable-off-the-shelf gentoo on the classical www , is living its final days. [17:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: turns out, quite painful for anything nontrivial [17:29]
asciilifeform: fortunately there is nothing nontrivial in ffa. [17:29]
* trinque has his frozen copy of it all, polishes for just this funeral. [17:29]
mircea_popescu: gimme an example ? [17:29]
mircea_popescu: trinque basically the empire of idiots is dead set on giving us free money. all hail. [17:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything with nonrightangles in it [17:30]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just make the image larger [17:30]
mircea_popescu: I WIN!!11 [17:30]
asciilifeform: lol [17:30]
asciilifeform: pnm ain't ascii tho. [17:30]
asciilifeform: no moar than uuencoded crapola [17:30]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [17:30]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but at some point republican drawing will have to get resolved. [17:31]
mircea_popescu: granted, not here yet, i guess. but anyways [17:31]
asciilifeform: i expect the pill will look like hendersonized postscript, rather than svg idiocy. [17:31]
asciilifeform: ( ftr i did try cl-vecto, and barfed. why do i have to touch absolute coord ?! ) [17:32]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761187 << his problem isn't what he states it to be he can't have open ports period, probably comcast bs. [17:32]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 19:59 ben_vulpes: but you say that "i have the hardware", so use that hardware. boot a bitcoin node on it and don't worry about port 80. [17:32]
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761322 <- varza esti, nu te faci that's about the only reason I suspect this just doesn't ...work can't beat /cut someone into cabbage they can however be cabbage themselves [17:32]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 22:22 hanbot: a se taie cineva intr-o varza? [17:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i ran warez servers just fine on shitcast [17:32]
asciilifeform: it's the gsm carriers who have , as a rule, port fascism [17:32]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, some ascii art in eulora? lol [17:32]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, but since he mentions it, he prolly has it. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i wouldn't mind an ascii-art renderer, like vlc has. [17:33]
diana_coman: fideluta though can also be ...varza taiata fideluta aka very very thinly [17:33]
mircea_popescu: that's true. [17:33]
diana_coman: well, there's nothing to mind for sure [17:34]
mircea_popescu: lemme rephrase. ima have this done eventually, just not a priority rightnao. [17:34]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761154 << holy fuq, zzt !! [17:34]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 17:46 mircea_popescu: ok this is the weirdest chan i ever saw. check this out http://jollo.org/sally/ [17:34]
asciilifeform: !#s zzt [17:34]
a111: 2 results for "zzt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zzt [17:34]
mircea_popescu: let's voice him again [17:35]
* diana_coman just had this trouble of explaining to 5 yo what's that "floare la ureche" [17:35]
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing [17:35]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [17:35]
mircea_popescu: yo, register a key so you can self-voice. [17:35]
mod6: what do we need to do to get started with cuntoo. we ought to make a list. [17:35]
asciilifeform: mod6: the server on my desk, to find its way in the cage, is # 1 [17:35]
mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it. [17:35]
asciilifeform: no tarball hoster -- no cuntoo [17:35]
mircea_popescu: but from what i gather a half dozen people have pills for it in various states of undress. [17:35]
hanbot: lol diana_coman why not varza nu se naste, varza se devine [17:36]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform for example has >decade of tarball archive [17:36]
diana_coman: hanbot, also! [17:36]
mircea_popescu: at some point we (i mean s.mg) attempted to build a debian archive. [17:36]
asciilifeform: i recall this [17:36]
asciilifeform: what became of it ? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: iirc that died in the flames of 1e10 bytes of liquid shit [17:36]
trinque: mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757759 << literally all I need to release the thing [17:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 02:53 trinque: tangentially yet again, I'd really like a vtron to put in this here cuntoo. [17:36]
mod6: so your box in the cage will host all the tarballs... (we'll need mirrors too) or am I misunderstanding? [17:36]
mircea_popescu: literally, irrecoverably, liquid. [17:37]
asciilifeform: i only keep src tarballs [17:37]
diana_coman: pretty much dead, yes whatever we took out at that time is still there though [17:37]
trinque: fine thing to duplicate this particular work, but that's what I'm waiting on, will otherwise write my own to put on it. [17:37]
mircea_popescu: i think the last debian capable of booting without any binary was like, sarge. [17:37]
asciilifeform: whaddayamean 'boot without binary' [17:37]
trinque: the mere act of producing a booting gentoo is trivial what we need is a genesis of a ports tree merged between the musl overlay and a particular vintage of portage. [17:37]
asciilifeform: trinque: i still haven't attempted musltronic gentoo. ( and have nfi whether it could be used on a workstation, say -- does emacs run ? what dies ? ) [17:38]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're familiar with the dependency problem, yes ? the statement here is that dependency problem for debian is SO BAD you can't actually produce a meaningful packaging of useful debian within finite space. [17:38]
trinque: emacs runs fine [17:38]
asciilifeform: trinque: then it's a go... [17:38]
trinque: nobody runs my recipes when I post, eh? [17:38]
mod6: i still use our old one :] [17:39]
asciilifeform: trinque: i read'em. but only 2 hands, not run yet. [17:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is unsurprising [17:39]
trinque: this ruins my picture of you with four arms and two keyboards [17:39]
asciilifeform: binaryturd dists always were a fraud in that sense [17:39]
mircea_popescu: he's got a joysdick tho [17:39]
asciilifeform: trinque: i did not say how many total arms!111onlyhowmany free [17:39]
trinque: loller [17:40]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not even that they're binary dists. they CLAIM to be proper dists. but then "all compiles except THIS ONE THING" or "x requires y and y requires x -- pick one put binary in" or so following. [17:40]
trinque: mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. [17:40]
trinque: can't repo portage without it [17:40]
mircea_popescu: is the idea to actually use the whole portage mechanism on the eventual cun2 ? [17:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some packages are known and inescapable arse-mouth-systems in this sense - e.g. gnat, as discussed on several occasions [17:41]
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761390 if this is the case, why not go LFS? [17:41]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 22:35 mircea_popescu: mod6 it has to compile and bootstrap and support video cards and netcards. that'd be about it. [17:41]
asciilifeform: can't build a gnat without a... gnat. period [17:41]
mircea_popescu: because i will confess phf 's tales of bravery encourage me, to think perhaps protage could be cut from 5bn lines to 5k or somesuch ? [17:41]
trinque: I'm certain it could. [17:41]
asciilifeform: portage << gotta depythonize it [17:41]
mircea_popescu: see ? [17:41]
trinque: I'm speaking of the ebuild tree [17:41]
asciilifeform: being as python is , what, 1M loc ? [17:41]
mircea_popescu: i suppose once phf delivers new v, we shall be looking for a hero to reportage. [17:42]
asciilifeform: imho it needs the ada schemetron. [17:42]
asciilifeform: as substrate. [17:42]
asciilifeform: because sh is not a language. [17:42]
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but see, the change of diff to tmsr diff is liable to bring improvbements to semantic same may be true of etree. [17:42]
trinque: heh, this is why I say release with portage cuntoo "overlay" [17:42]
trinque: can dev the replacements from inside [17:42]
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: I'd be happy to work with ya on whatever needs done to get v onto this thing. and it perhaps would benefit from phf's vdiff. << excellent. yeah, let's! [17:42]
trinque: then jettison the old tree [17:42]
mircea_popescu: conceivable. [17:42]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this will need more thought by which i mean more failed attempts. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: i guess it's a decent spring item. [17:43]
* trinque was prompted to finish the reproductive gentoo when he went to build a box like always, found the shitgnomes had eroded earth from under his build system [17:43]
mircea_popescu: esthlos lfs ? wut ? [17:43]
esthlos: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [17:44]
mircea_popescu: oh. [17:44]
mircea_popescu: resolved ot "large storage" in my head. [17:44]
trinque: that's not a thing so much as a "yes you could be a human build system" [17:44]
trinque: sure we've all done LFS in teens or w/e [17:44]
mircea_popescu: esthlos in a word, because none of the gerard beekmans matthre burgess bruce dubbs etc are known to us / have a !!key and so on [17:44]
mircea_popescu: it makes sense to re-do imperial crud under the republic it makes comparatively little sense to try and pick among the anonymous imperials for "the good one". [17:45]
esthlos: so some of the gentoo devs are around? [17:47]
mircea_popescu: nope, which is why the item is called cuntoo. [17:47]
esthlos: ah [17:48]
mircea_popescu: the logic is actually very strict : only key can sign, therefore only key can genesis, and see all the discussions around mpi re exactly what code production is deemed etc. [17:48]
mircea_popescu: but in shorthand practical terms, if they don't have a genesis we can patch upon, they don't exist. [17:49]
esthlos: oh, i see [17:49]
asciilifeform: a number of items in gentoo ports ~did~ have pgp sigs. but none of anybody in my l2 (or 3, or afaik even 4 ) [17:50]
mircea_popescu: "very strict" : if i can't lean on them to make a proper genesis, also just as good as not existing [17:50]
mircea_popescu: and so following, the blade cuts. [17:50]
trinque: and they use things like "release signing key" because persons don't exist [17:50]
mircea_popescu: the bizarre sort of "humility" the empire keeps pushing. [17:51]
esthlos: i want to say v is genius, but it seems like common fucking sense. columbus' egg i suppose [17:52]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761206 << yeah, not bad. [17:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 20:11 ben_vulpes: a useful patch for folks in jawbone2 's position would update the results of getinfo to indicate whether trb considered a connection 'inbound' or 'outbound' so that you could determine if your dyndns hacks were working [17:52]
mircea_popescu: esthlos most genius is common sense. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: heigh ho the holly... [17:52]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759556 << [17:53]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 14:20 mircea_popescu: nah. cleverness in humans is simply equivalent of what drunks call "a moment of lucidity", ie, stopped being indescribably fucking stupid for one god damned moment. [17:53]
trinque: mod6: got an apu2? [17:53]
mod6: no [17:54]
trinque: doesn't matter we'll need a set of known-good kernel configs anyway [17:55]
trinque: I provided one for the apu2 in the archive I'm uploading to blogbox atm [17:56]
asciilifeform: i posted one for phf last yr [17:56]
asciilifeform: for x60 [17:56]
mod6: ah, ok. cool! [17:56]
asciilifeform: trinque: apu really oughta be run with an in-rom kernel [17:56]
trinque: wip cuntoo script only does apu2, but if you read it, it'd be trivial to parameterize the kernel config [17:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761215 << no, i think this may well be permanent, i think i purge mine bianually or some shit. [17:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 20:14 jawbone2: My name is Jim Weaver I live in Florida. I do not keep a blog yet. That is coming with my webserver project [17:56]
mircea_popescu: !!rate jawbone2 1 convincing noob [17:56]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8HM5u/?raw=true [17:56]
mircea_popescu: twice a decade, by the looks of it. [17:57]
trinque: asciilifeform: worth a thread maybe, but I loathe the one-kernel-for-them all approach I don't even ship my kernels with module loading enabled [17:57]
asciilifeform: aha, it is intimately per-machine item [17:58]
* mircea_popescu is looking forward to mod6 putting some of these into hardware, because while he's very cute as he gets all flustered from repeated failure, the whole process is nevertheless immensely useful & productive. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: trinque the VERY FUCKING NOTION of "modules" is basically abandonment of kernel. [17:58]
mod6: lol ok. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how philosophically undedicated them folks are, 0 adherence to any kind of principle or anything whatsoever. [17:59]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they were forced mistake, via x86ism . without something like modules, you get to pick b/w a) kernel that runs on ONE box, and that's until you change a card b) a 500MB liquishit pot [17:59]
mircea_popescu: still. [17:59]
mircea_popescu: mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item. [18:00]
asciilifeform: 'kernel is this ONE item, and fuckyou' worx when you get to standardize the iron. and not otherwise. [18:00]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd have preferred much more exposed parameters/configs than "modules", for instance. [18:00]
asciilifeform: ( and even crapple iirc is stuck maintaining several versions of theirs, because different editions of iron ) [18:00]
mircea_popescu: a "module" is a braindamaged half-way implementation of a compiled configfile. [18:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be (b)500MB of shit [18:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i prefer my formulation, but yes, i'd have taken b. [18:01]
asciilifeform: because driver under idjit x86 iron is a massive ball of ???, none of which typically generalizes to ANY other item [18:01]
mircea_popescu: but at least THAT would have been exposed. [18:01]
mircea_popescu: there's no benefit in playing well with idiots. [18:01]
* trinque recalls the sad thread where it was explained to him how the thing's a pile of recursive busses keistered in keisters [18:02]
asciilifeform: for so long as buying their iron -- playing with them. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: trinque 12 deep! in places [18:02]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631805 <<thread trinque was referring to [18:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:31 asciilifeform: the sad thing re the iron , is that 'determine if installed, and if so, where on the bus' is often 80% of the driver ! [18:03]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, did we do the "single bus is idiocy, unless using alf's serialized dongle cpu, do the shit properly" thread ? [18:04]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 you realise this, your original v actually worked out in practice as major pivot improving v significantly from notion to item. << thanks. it's been great to see it come to life. it's a work in progress :] [18:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we did, possibly in the dma thread [18:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'multiple buses on other buses' bigger-fleas-and-little-fleas horror show is no kind of cure tho. [18:05]
mircea_popescu: yeah. you were all "well, sorry it's broken" last month or w/e, but realise -- back when it was written it was ahead of the v as a concept. that it meanwhile become broken is merely because the tide raised but the tide raised because, in no small part, it existed. [18:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, have dedicated fucking lines. all this "oh, we have nfi what will hang off this cpu" pretense is 1980s idiocy. WE FUCKING KNOW. have dedicated netbridge have or not have dedicated video bridge -- YOU KNOW if you're putting or not puting a fucking vidcard in there but you don't know whether you need a bus for it or not ? gimme a fucken break! [18:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sgi had a crossbar, it aint an unheard-of thing [18:06]
mircea_popescu: 1. netbridge or no netbridge 2. vidbridge or no vidbrige 3. serial. [18:06]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "oh we don't know what people may plug into the bus", like it's 1979 and i go around the killer micros with syringe needles. [18:07]
asciilifeform: actually the correct solution is fabric [18:07]
mircea_popescu: fine. [18:07]
asciilifeform: i.e. cpu only knows how to speak to other cpus. and other iron is special case of 'other cpu' [18:07]
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck but this pointlessly self-crit of a spurious bottleneck. [18:07]
mircea_popescu: "we didn't know how you wanted your house laid out so we put this sqm in the middle that has to be traversed FOR EVERYTHING! hope you enjoy all the copping a titfeel in your own god damned house" [18:08]
asciilifeform: bus is a poverty artifact. and i will add that , most hilariously, recent items like pcie are actually implemented as ports, physically! but on the idjit x86 end EMULATE behaviour of bus !! [18:08]
asciilifeform: because x86olade expects. [18:08]
mircea_popescu: but we haven't been poor for thirty five years! [18:08]
asciilifeform: somebody wake up and tell wintel. [18:09]
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit of the prime order. [18:09]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-30#1761220 << i think ~everyone in a "wanna run a node mostly to learn" demo is doing either that, amazon or else more obscure similaria (ohv, whatever) [18:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-30 21:38 esthlos: jawbone2: my 2cents: get a linode with a static ip for $5/mo. for a dynamic dns, run a cron sending your local ip to the linode, and a cron to edit your dns record accordingly on the remote. for the web server, either preroute remote's 80 to some local port, or just run it on non-80 [18:13]
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2017/12/30/wip-cuntoo-installer/ << trinque - WIP : Cuntoo Installer [18:31]
* mod6 looks [18:31]
shinohai: This is impressice trinque, will test and report back o7 [18:36]
mod6: Thanks trinque! [18:47]
mod6: I'll try to find a spot to try this thing out in the next day or two.. maybe you can walk me through some of the stuff. [18:47]
* mod6 is looking at the musl overlay [18:48]
trinque: gladly. I prefer to produce a genesis *after* the thing's been wrung through other than my own requirements. [18:51]
mod6: oh for sure. [18:51]
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing [18:52]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [18:52]
zineKing: mircea_popescu i registered a key, still not voiced [18:57]
mircea_popescu: !!rate zineKing 1 zine something [18:58]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iaWIa/?raw=true [18:58]
mircea_popescu: zineKing after the rating goes through in ten minutes or w/e, you will be able to voice yourself see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756668 [18:59]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 06:54 mircea_popescu: Techman say /query deedbot to open a pm session say !!up in there to it then return !!v the string. [18:59]
zineKing: mircea_popescu: so, real talk, do you actually believe bitcoin specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees [19:01]
zineKing: which crypto do you think will be the defacto, go-to coin for world wide affairs? [19:01]
zineKing: xmr? eth? [19:02]
zineKing: the petrodollar is dying [19:02]
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "will be" ? [19:02]
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is inescapably and permanently the definitive word on linguistic order, which includes all monetary considerations as a minor point. [19:03]
mircea_popescu: it also includes all politics. [19:03]
zineKing: I am assuming, correctly or not, that at least one crypto will take the place as a world currency sooner or later, wrong or not [19:03]
zineKing: okay, let me rephrase my question [19:04]
zineKing: so, real talk, do you actually believe xbt specifically will be the number one choice of cryptocurrency worldwide? this recent spike in price saw smaller payments made virtually impossible due to high fees [19:04]
mircea_popescu: what is xbt ? [19:04]
mircea_popescu: ah, re plebs problems something like http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 may interest you [19:05]
mircea_popescu: (note the date). [19:05]
zineKing: interesting [19:10]
mircea_popescu: if you keep reading you will discover trilema is principally a repository of answers to questions the random idiots of "mainstream" pretend to have discovered years later and "resolve" in their usual manner. [19:14]
zineKing: So, you're cryptohipsters? [19:15]
mircea_popescu: um. [19:15]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736549 [19:15]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 16:48 mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future. [19:15]
mod6: lol cryptohipsters [19:16]
zineKing: I bought in at 2011, I still see xbt specifically as a currenct that is just not feasible to be rolled out globally, due to the excruciatingly slow speed and the high fees. [19:16]
zineKing: currency* [19:16]
mircea_popescu: well what you see things as is entirely your priviledge no ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu: you can see microscope as hammer, as long as you own it. [19:17]
mircea_popescu: there's that guy that saw ipad as cutting board, his fucking ipad, can do as he please. [19:18]
zineKing: don't get me wrong, I'm totally onboard with the plan. But in order for a crypto to be accepted by the masses it has to be a better alternative, more efficient, than what people currently use. to me, the closest thing right now is probably ETH [19:19]
mircea_popescu: what the masses "accept" has entirely no bearing. [19:20]
mircea_popescu: in order for a round earth spinning around the sun to be "accepted by the masses" exactly nothing has to happen. [19:20]
zineKing: Except it does, because you're talking about markets -- social constructs, made by humans [19:21]
mircea_popescu: the point is bitcoin permits me to rape eth, and turn mit into a sort of ransom faucet. this doesn't go away by speaking. [19:21]
mircea_popescu: i am not talking about any such thing. [19:21]
mircea_popescu: lessee how this works. [19:23]
mod6: anyone ever see that movie 'pi' ? [19:43]
mircea_popescu: aha. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: !!up zineKing [19:44]
deedbot: zineKing voiced for 30 minutes. [19:44]
mircea_popescu: what happened ? [19:44]
hanbot: mod6 that was my favorite film when i was 16 or so. i tried to watch it again recently with mixed results. still love the soundtrack though. [19:49]
mod6: i haven't seen it in ages. i feel like i should watch it again. [19:49]
shinohai: the banana thing i disliked [20:00]
zineKing: mircea_popescu: you've intrigued me, I'll stick around for sure [20:01]
mircea_popescu: soo apparently trilema includes review of requiem for a dfream, the wrestler and black swan, but NOT pi [20:01]
mircea_popescu: it's the d aronofsky item from 1998 we're talking about yes ? [20:02]
mod6: ya [20:02]
mircea_popescu: zineKing cool but voice yourself [20:02]
zineKing: just did [20:02]
mircea_popescu: a hey wd. [20:02]
zineKing: deedbot> You are now voiced in #trilema [20:02]
mircea_popescu: aha. now, what's this ezine thing ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/interracial/index.html << in other lulz, apparently the average chanster had sex twice. [20:06]
mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 if you liked pi you might also like http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ [20:29]
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same exact film, so much so i always suspected pi is a remake. hero is struggling with memory rather than insanity but otherwisw ~same sexuality, ~same magical jew, same quest for the ultimate meaning and so following. [20:30]
mod6: ah, ok. thanks, will watch. [20:33]
mod6: i just watched the 'pi' trailor. it indeed has been a while haha. ive got pi in the queue. might re-watch tonight yet. [20:36]
mod6: ok here we go [20:55]
* asciilifeform liked 'pi' [21:27]
mod6: alright, yeah, definiately different than i remembered it. i had completely blocked out or forgotten the jewish numerology part. [22:20]
mod6: i still liked it tho. music was pretty good, brings me back. hehe [22:21]
mod6: the dude's rig was very ~'11 bitcoin miner [22:22]
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/VDOu9 [23:32]
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