Forum logs for 29 Jan 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
lobbes: Added sha1 checksum values for the .zips to show in archive search results >> http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=example&sortby= [01:14]
lobbes: Note that this refers to the sha1sum of the -.zip- only and not to the -contents- (i.e. should only be used to verify integrity of .zips recieved via the eventual .zip delivery process) [01:14]
mircea_popescu: !!up xenmen_ [01:18]
deedbot: xenmen_ voiced for 30 minutes. [01:18]
xenmen_: thanks mircea_popescu, just reading up on your site [01:19]
mircea_popescu: aha ? [01:19]
xenmen_: I come by ~once a year, an annual tradition, to reread [01:19]
mircea_popescu: how long does it take you to catch up ? [01:20]
xenmen_: typically a weekend [01:21]
mircea_popescu: seems an incredible feat. [01:22]
xenmen_: (The catch-up, that is rereading older material I spread over a few weeks to a month) [01:22]
* ben_vulpes misread as xemen [01:41]
shinohai: !~later tell mats can report that https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3 works flawless, no luck on openbsd [06:17]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [06:17]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [07:51]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11115.25, vol: 10216.39574227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11241.0, vol: 26813.04006437 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11111.0, vol: 4754.24450221 | Volume-weighted last average: 11195.4615616 [07:51]
shinohai: ^111111.11!' [08:35]
shinohai: asciilifeform: i mirrored your dictionary, and mircea_popescu's wordlist here: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/library/Roman-Englez/ [09:22]
asciilifeform: shinohai: first file eggogs [09:24]
shinohai: fixed, saw eggog xD [09:24]
asciilifeform: nao worx [09:25]
asciilifeform: it has bitrot in it tho [09:25]
asciilifeform: i see strange chars [09:25]
shinohai: yup and also doesn't use --no-emit-version [09:26]
asciilifeform: acăța , acușica [09:26]
shinohai: lol [09:26]
shinohai: (tm) [09:26]
shinohai: but in mircea_popescu's original, I also see strange things [09:27]
shinohai: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/dicelist-romanian.txt [09:27]
asciilifeform: is it in some ancient pre-uniturd coding, analogous to ru koi8 ? [09:28]
asciilifeform: hard to picture how else it could end up like this. [09:28]
spyked: hm. it seems that the browser (firefox on my side) sets default encoding to "western" for plain txt files setting it to unicode makes it look normal [09:30]
shinohai: lol [09:32]
asciilifeform: hmm in different browser, worx [09:52]
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19118 << in other noose. [10:00]
ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/. [10:46]
asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval these are not coming out quite the way i want'em [11:01]
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2186&cpage=1#comment-19121 << in other noose. [11:06]
asciilifeform: shinohai: i have added a link to your mirror in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2211 , ty [11:09]
ave1: I'm enjoying the series a lot! (I've now just read ch2 and starting to ingest it...) [11:10]
asciilifeform: ave1: were you able to build ? [11:10]
ave1: asciilifeform, yes! also on gnat for musl... [11:14]
asciilifeform: ooh yeah i recall [11:14]
* asciilifeform still has not replicated this marvel [11:14]
ave1: In the end it took only a small set of changes, but finding these was no fun... [11:18]
ave1: Ofcourse, I did not want to dive deep into the code of gcc and gnat [11:18]
asciilifeform: we're doomed to fork gnat eventually [11:18]
asciilifeform: if only because of http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-28-nov-2017#2369230 . [11:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable. [11:19]
ave1: Which makes the process a stupid trying / building / running / failing exercise. [11:19]
asciilifeform: ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777969 << can i persuade you to put this link in a comment to ch1 ? [11:21]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 15:46 ave1: I see you are already at ch9, I only just finished with ch1: http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/. [11:21]
asciilifeform: for other readers. [11:21]
asciilifeform: ave1: 'Word is the smallest unit used for the arithmetic in FFA' is not strictly true, there is a HalfWord ( see ch9 ) [11:24]
asciilifeform: but i suppose you'll get to it at own pace. [11:24]
asciilifeform: ( not to mention WBool, present in ch1, is constrained to arithmetize on 1bit. but indeed Word is smallest physical unit used, there is no byte-addressing in ffa ) [11:25]
asciilifeform: 'why not use the pragma Provide_Shift_Operators?' << it doesn't work on gnat2016, try it [11:26]
asciilifeform: "Do we need Word_Index or Indices?8". << yes, for proof of nonoverflow. and in general wherever i saw it possible to constrain a type, i constrained it. and will continue doing so. [11:27]
asciilifeform: 'Look at the summation, the sum is (A+B) + Carry, but the next carry is determined by just A, B and the Sum. Are we lucky this is correct?' << work it out on paper. [11:28]
ave1: I did! it is more a question for other readers [11:29]
asciilifeform: btw ave1 your comment box dunwork [11:30]
asciilifeform: demands 'fill in name and email' even when i already did. [11:30]
asciilifeform: ave1: 'are we lucky this is correct' implies that item was written through the arse, and only 'works by accident', this is not so. [11:31]
ave1: aha, I made the check for the email to a check for the website (needs to be 6 chars long) [11:31]
ave1: I'll remove the website check, probable does not do much anyway [11:31]
ave1: one moment... [11:31]
asciilifeform: lemme know when fixed [11:34]
ave1: should be fixed [11:35]
asciilifeform: nope [11:36]
asciilifeform: 'required fields: name' [11:36]
asciilifeform: it's utterly broken [11:36]
ave1: Will work on wording! It was meant as "Take very good care to check out this one" [11:36]
asciilifeform: I FILLED IN THE FIELDS [11:36]
ave1: I see change did happen, but still failed the test, one sec... [11:40]
ave1: I'm sorry for this [11:40]
asciilifeform: lemme know when it is possible to put a comment.. [11:43]
asciilifeform: ave1: the comment itself : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3z67x/?raw=true [11:55]
ave1: asciilifeform: Comments should work now, I can also put this comment in if you like (name == asciilifeform?) [11:57]
asciilifeform: 1s [11:57]
asciilifeform: still broken !! [11:57]
asciilifeform: 'required fields: name' [11:58]
asciilifeform: pleez test it yourself ave1 ? then say 'fixed' [11:58]
asciilifeform: and no, do not put it in in my place. [11:58]
asciilifeform: fix the commentbox. [11:58]
ave1: I did self eval... (did you reload?) [11:58]
asciilifeform: ok seems to work nao... [11:59]
asciilifeform: (queued) [11:59]
asciilifeform: or... [11:59]
asciilifeform: WHERE THE FUCK DID MY LINK GO [11:59]
asciilifeform: srsly this is nogood. [11:59]
shinohai: tah asciilifeform ! [11:59]
ave1: Was queued is now approved [11:59]
asciilifeform: 'TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK [11:59]
asciilifeform: !!up xenmen [12:01]
deedbot: xenmen voiced for 30 minutes. [12:01]
ave1: I do not get "TODAY'S LOG' IS A LINK" ... [12:02]
asciilifeform: ave1: please see the paste ? [12:02]
asciilifeform: ave1: html links do not work in your comment box ? [12:02]
asciilifeform: i do not understand why you would have both 'ban links' AND premoderation [12:03]
ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it... [12:06]
asciilifeform: hey you're ahead of me, i never even got comments to work at all in my copy of mp-wp [12:09]
* asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing. [12:10]
asciilifeform: and when i say 'complete' i mean zero-libraries, a la ffa. kernel calls for i/o, and that's it. [12:11]
ave1: Meanwhile, I'll fix the links, also I found the problem will report a little later [12:12]
asciilifeform: ty ave1 , i'd definitely like to read the answer [12:14]
shinohai: "Fitness app lights up staff @ mil bases" is best headline in feed today. [12:18]
trinque: kinda laughable notion that the location of .mil bases was secret [12:19]
asciilifeform: iirc there's a few in e.g. africa disguised as 'uh, nuffin at all here, move along' [12:19]
asciilifeform: and in various post-su lands [12:20]
asciilifeform: e.g. the torture palace in bucharest [12:20]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777911 << not at the moment. when my stack's popped to ffa will try to do my homework on one of the g5s [12:20]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 01:14 asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque do you have a working gnat on ppc (g5 or any other) ? [12:20]
asciilifeform: trinque: actually i was hoping to get a shell on one of your ppc [12:20]
asciilifeform: for own use [12:21]
asciilifeform: ( i could buy an old ppc , a la BingoBoingo , for fiddybux, but i'd like to go in direction of ~decreasing~ old iron collection, not growing... ) [12:21]
trinque: ah, I could set that up later in the week. going to be traveling starting tomorrow. [12:21]
asciilifeform: no rush. [12:21]
trinque: want g4, g5, both? [12:21]
asciilifeform: dun make much diff [12:21]
asciilifeform: prolly g5 is more relevant to future [12:22]
asciilifeform: ( they give moar bang for the antiquarian buck , and more likely to be met with ) [12:22]
BingoBoingo: !~later tell mircea_popescu a MUSL box is now ready to plug in and serve a form of Qntra... after a weekend of head banging [12:22]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [12:22]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oh hey [12:22]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is cage alive nao? [12:23]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start. [12:24]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what about ip addrs ? [12:25]
BingoBoingo: getting some from them and then resubmitting my application to LACNIC. Gotta utilize 64 ip addresses before LACNIC will allocate a /24 [12:26]
asciilifeform: right, but what does that mean in practice ? rack with no permanent ips for month? two ? [12:27]
asciilifeform: considering the 'escape from dnsism' thing we have going, this actually matters [12:27]
trinque: and also, handled incorrectly that'll be a lot of boxen that are suddenly unreachable [12:28]
asciilifeform: aaha [12:28]
shinohai: http://archive.is/xiKPs no fuckgoats here [12:35]
asciilifeform: lol pseudobrainwallets never apparently fully died [12:35]
asciilifeform: !!up sageprobes [12:47]
deedbot: sageprobes voiced for 30 minutes. [12:47]
asciilifeform: sageprobes: hello ? [12:47]
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker [12:48]
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. [12:48]
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker [12:48]
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. [12:48]
laplinker: thank you :) [12:49]
asciilifeform: laplinker: what brings you here ? [12:49]
laplinker: oh, its a long story about AMD, HDT, and looking for sage probes online :) [12:49]
asciilifeform: laplinker: last i saw they were still available with 'gizmo1' [12:50]
asciilifeform: laplinker: see the faq, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1887 [12:50]
laplinker: yeah, im not so sure i can afford something that costs: "send me a quote" :) [12:51]
asciilifeform: it costs <200bux, wat [12:51]
asciilifeform: oh ha, sold out. [12:51]
laplinker: well that was unexpected , i assumed it would be expensive ,i mean look at the intel xdp [12:51]
asciilifeform: 'We are sorry, but the item you are looking for is no longer available on our website.' [12:51]
asciilifeform: laplinker: funnily enough, i have an intel xdp, and several boxes with the jack, but never was able to get it running [12:52]
asciilifeform: it ain't gdb-compatible, for one thing. requires windows shitware which they sold for $10k's and never afaik leaked [12:52]
laplinker: you should really get one of those minnow boards and a lure board, works OOB with intel DAL at VLV2 config [12:52]
asciilifeform: for another thing, stock bios on intel boxes disables xdp jack [12:52]
asciilifeform: laplinker: i don't particularly need this for anything, when i have a working sageprobe and amd boxes [12:53]
laplinker: sometimes those xdp3 boxed pop up oon ebay, i found mine for about 50$ a few years ago, but now intel is debugging over usb3 [12:53]
asciilifeform: i like how the sage requires literally NO os support on the driving end [12:53]
asciilifeform: ( it sits on lan and you can telnet to it ) [12:53]
asciilifeform: laplinker: the problem is that the usb3 debug is NOT os-transparent [12:54]
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'victim' can disable the port [12:54]
asciilifeform: and at any rate change behaviour when it senses that debug is active [12:54]
laplinker: asciilifeform: hmm... good point [12:54]
asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware... [12:54]
laplinker: than for intel platforms, i recommend minnow, but you are already set with AMD so nm [12:55]
asciilifeform: iirc 'minnow' is a junk board, with nonexpandable ram, etc [12:55]
asciilifeform: and with random crashes. [12:56]
asciilifeform: didja ever get it to boot a standard winblows, for instance ? [12:57]
laplinker: oh, no, i would go that far... maybe win 10 IOT, there is also this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-CONFIDENTIAL-HASWELL-PROCESSOR-Reference-Validation-Board-w-i5-4570R-ES/273038318551?hash=item3f925a1bd7:g:vaQAAOSwU91aWc7R [12:58]
asciilifeform: laplinker: i have one almost exactly like it [12:58]
asciilifeform: ( never got xdp going, because, again, requires shitware ) [12:59]
laplinker: asciilifeform: shitware is available for free, part of intel debugger studio (which is shitware) but the "intel DAL" is free [12:59]
asciilifeform: laplinker: iirc i tried the 'free' ver, it wanted a xdp3. [13:00]
asciilifeform: what i have iirc is a xdp1. [13:00]
asciilifeform: ( they were at one point sold off for pennies on the dollar ) [13:00]
laplinker: i have it working with xdp3 and xhci debug [13:00]
asciilifeform: right, but where the fuck to get a xdp3. [13:00]
laplinker: the sw i mean [13:00]
asciilifeform: aa [13:00]
asciilifeform: 0 interest to me, because victim-detectable. [13:01]
laplinker: xdp3 is hard to find, same i guess as the sage probve [13:01]
asciilifeform: and dunwork on resetvector in bios. [13:01]
asciilifeform: sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe. [13:01]
laplinker: hmm... i might actually do that, for the xdp3, they should be popping up more and more the more time passes and most folks use xhci, but thats just a guess [13:03]
asciilifeform: winintel doesn't want people debugging the drm spyshitware in the bios or the winblowz kernel. ergo xhci. [13:04]
asciilifeform: but it so happens that these are the ONLY items i find interesting from hardware debug pov. [13:04]
asciilifeform: so i have 0 interest in xhci or any other inband debugging. [13:04]
asciilifeform: and will not comment on it, it is worthless garbage . [13:04]
laplinker: maybe you will find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEJCLX2dtw [13:06]
asciilifeform: btw laplinker , recent ( 2013? 14? and after..? ) amd opterons suffer from similar problem : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-04#1552690 [13:07]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set. [13:07]
asciilifeform: i.e. the bios can (and by default does) perma-lock the hdt port after boot [13:07]
asciilifeform: ( on some boxes, shortly after reset, in fact ) [13:07]
asciilifeform: laplinker: not especially interesting, no. i'm more interested in whatever fallbacks are in there ~separately~ from ME core. nsa fritzchip never come in singles. [13:09]
asciilifeform: given that the 'security pros' and academia circuses were permitted to make ME core a centerpiece of their self-aggrandizing idiocy, you can be quite certain that there is a fallback. multiple fallbacks. [13:10]
asciilifeform: at least in recent chips. [13:10]
asciilifeform: fwiw i will not buy any new intel product. haven't, for quite some time. [13:11]
asciilifeform: won't buy post-2011 amd either. [13:11]
ben_vulpes: in other FUD: http://www.tetherreport.com/ [13:13]
asciilifeform: 'The author is concerned about backlash and has asked to remain pseudonymous by signing this report with a public hash of their name' << lol wai am i reading this [13:14]
asciilifeform: neither i nor anybody else with half a brain need these charts, or 'We are going to use the Kolmogorov-Smirnov test here...', or any of it, to know that 'tether' is a gox-style scam [13:16]
asciilifeform: and the folx who know, and do not care, are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768490 , they are as culpable as the orig author. [13:16]
a111: Logged on 2018-01-10 16:50 asciilifeform: to round off the crackpottery, 'superlinear' is when the chumps deposit their dough, but afterwards ~go home to get more~, to bring friends, etc. [13:16]
asciilifeform: and deserve to burn on same pyre. [13:16]
asciilifeform: !!up laplinker [13:19]
deedbot: laplinker voiced for 30 minutes. [13:19]
asciilifeform: laplinker: consider registering with deedbot , [13:19]
asciilifeform: !!help [13:19]
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html [13:19]
asciilifeform: ^ get a permanent name. [13:20]
asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all [13:25]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11187.73, vol: 9921.39225920 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11305.0, vol: 23589.32775105 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11191.0, vol: 4556.23247694 | Volume-weighted last average: 11260.7912556 [13:25]
laplinker: sry, had to go deal with some stuff unexpectedly. catching up [13:31]
asciilifeform: laplinker: register with deedbot then you will be able to get ratings and self-voice. [13:32]
asciilifeform: as it is, if you come back, no one knows who is speaking, 'shakespeare -- or another man by the same name', for instance. [13:32]
laplinker: Thanks, and thanks for all the help :) [13:35]
asciilifeform: laplinker: keep in mind also that there can be no question of e.g. selling probes, to somebody not in wot. [13:36]
trinque: j/i [13:37]
trinque: d'oh [13:37]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000285.html << i noticed, somehow only nao, that it has text 'This experimental vpatch requests blocks from all nodes that send a version message.' >> which has 0 relation to the patch... [14:38]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [14:38]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 or hm nm brain spasm, strike that. [14:38]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [14:38]
* asciilifeform read 'blocks requests' instead of 'requests blocks', prolly oughta sleep moar [14:39]
asciilifeform: ... and to stay away from heavy machinery, lol [14:39]
mod6: :D [14:39]
shinohai: Meanwhile, backstage on a filthy mattress: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUusq0dWsAEglEq.jpg [14:41]
mod6: Thanks for reading and trying to pick out if it said the wrong thing though. I appreciate that. [14:41]
asciilifeform: mod6: i was rereading , looking for old item, and went 'wtf', but entirely own brain spasm [14:41]
mod6: ah. you have 'wtf' ptsd maybe [14:41]
mod6: like i have 'scammer' ptsd [14:42]
mod6: nothing wrong with that. [14:42]
asciilifeform: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6309/31478297.28d/0_85def_d925370_XXXL.jpg << oblig. [14:42]
asciilifeform: err, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6312/31478297.28d/0_85de0_78b4abc5_XXXL.jpg [14:45]
asciilifeform: or perhaps best of all, https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6213/31478297.28d/0_85dde_3ddcbe7e_XXXL.jpg . [14:45]
mod6: "If you try to throw yourself upon the wheels of the great machine, you're gonna have a bad time, Komrade" [14:49]
asciilifeform: some of these have pretty great possibilities for double-meaning, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9254/31478297.2d7/0_aca84_b516d1dd_XL.jpg >> 'mmm, hi-fi!11' [14:51]
trinque: this some kind of "without the workers we wouldn't have all this glorious fy00t0r" ? [14:52]
asciilifeform: trinque: naaah , orig -- equiv. of american osha plaquards [14:52]
asciilifeform: cautioning against various 'oopses' [14:53]
trinque: oh right, ear protection [14:53]
asciilifeform: https://fotki.yandex.ru/users/kolonist62/album/137117? << moar than you could ever want. [14:53]
asciilifeform: https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/479589/31478297.35a/0_decf0_ff2e3f85_X5L.jpg << e.g. 'leave unexploded ordnance alone' [15:18]
asciilifeform: ( some of these will make sense only to orcs, e.g. https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/233577/31478297.35a/0_dece9_75feb48a_X5L.jpg << 'do not dry by the fire clothes you have washed in petrol' ) [15:20]
trinque: ah speaking of missing fingers, where's that liveleak [15:21]
trinque: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1517109784 << of possible interest to BingoBoingo et al [15:21]
mod6: lol. NO SMOKING! [15:31]
BingoBoingo: trinque: Ty for the film. Hopefully I can see it sometime before March. [16:36]
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