Forum logs for 29 Aug 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:

mircea_popescu:	!!ssh 131.252.130.248	[00:01]
mircea_popescu:	hmm which was it.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu:	!$ssh 131.252.130.248	[00:02]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf.	[00:02]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: we're ~61% though the Framedragger dataset atm.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu:	aha. not to mention you know, http://trilema.com/2016/internet-census-2016/ and so on.	[00:03]
asciilifeform:	( after this -- Framedragger take2 then ssl ... )	[00:04]
mircea_popescu:	but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don't have the time to study it don't study it"	[00:04]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: hey, why would they want to study it! can simply 'unhappen' it. i suspect they will not even flinch when we start formatting their hdds	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	and zeroing their fw.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu:	o lol, what was that, i recall something in this vein	[00:05]
mircea_popescu:	oh oh, the alt-power dorks, right right.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform : in other news, cat *.log \| wc -l > 1231786.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu:	!~calc 1231786 / 365 / 5	[00:08]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: 1231786 / 365 / 5 = 674.9512328767123	[00:08]
asciilifeform:	today's?!	[00:09]
mircea_popescu:	reasonably active.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu:	nah, all time. 5 years or so.	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	aa	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	aaah the heathens	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	that's what, a month of us.	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	in 5y...	[00:09]
mircea_popescu:	nah, about 5 years.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu:	what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines a day or something like that. about same.	[00:10]
asciilifeform:	#gavins or wherever, about same, i suspect ( if largely part-join spamola )	[00:10]
mircea_popescu:	ah, i didn't specifically exclude that. lessee.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu:	cat *log \| grep -v ' \[~' \| wc -l > 921344	[00:12]
mircea_popescu:	notrly that bad. 1/3 or so.	[00:12]
asciilifeform:	now if only it were something more interesting than thiel fellatio, string-theoretical quantum mimblewimbles, and gaseous nutritions...	[00:13]
asciilifeform:	( so far is all i saw )	[00:14]
mircea_popescu:	time has a splendid way of resolving such uncertainties.	[00:14]
asciilifeform:	whole thing reeks rancidly of 'bay aryan'. whether there is something of substance buried beneath the kilometres of sludge -- i cannot say.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu:	i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren't you alfie.	[00:16]
BingoBoingo:	'bay aryan' is just another way of spelling 'gay carrion'	[00:16]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: if i live to see the thermoablation of shitifornia, i will have lived long enough.	[00:16]
asciilifeform:	ideally 1 perfect sheet of glass, not 1 tree standing.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu:	dja have any idea what that'd cost ?	[00:18]
asciilifeform:	well clearly toomuch. but can dream!11	[00:18]
mircea_popescu:	nobody's doing it. this is like "i want him so shot fulla lead, it's practically a 2x2 lead sheet he impacts with".	[00:18]
mircea_popescu:	"but sir... that's kinda not how bullets work"	[00:18]
asciilifeform:	wellyes.	[00:18]
asciilifeform:	recall scene from '100 yrs of solitude'	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	with the wheelbarrow.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu:	really though, what did minessota ever do to you	[00:19]
mircea_popescu:	or to anyone for that matter.	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	and will point out, glass sheet consisting of former 'bay area' ~is~ possible.	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	pretty much all of nerve center of derpistan is a few square km, today just as it was in http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-27-aug-2017#2329004 .	[00:20]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu:	yeah. complete ablation not the way to go, even the mongols left a blind and a deaf man to tell the story.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu:	16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) << i wonder if this sorta thing ever gives them any pause.	[00:21]
asciilifeform:	pretty sure that the curative asteroid would also leave behind a few blind,deaf crapple campus janitor, to tell tale.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform saw the lulzy part where superficial fenn correctly identifies usg as "a bunch of neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves" ?	[00:22]
asciilifeform:	entirely correct	[00:23]
mircea_popescu:	ikr ?	[00:23]
mircea_popescu:	even the blind clock...	[00:23]
asciilifeform:	aha.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. kinda not so much there that i want to read other days on its basis.	[00:24]
asciilifeform:	btw the original 'donor blood' BcHE 'bioscavenger' thing -- afaik still in production. when you donate blood in usa, chances are, some of it goes to help lizards survive their inevitable someday contact with the curative gas.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure recommend a coupla good log days in your estimation if you will.	[00:24]
asciilifeform:	as 20k-usd/dose prophylactic.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[00:25]
mircea_popescu:	not even that expensive. one openbsd.	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	per fucktard per day.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu:	sounds about right	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	y'know, the old legends re liches drinking blood of young ? well, these -- do.	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	literally.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu:	hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren't ilya.	[00:27]
asciilifeform:	they largely die of boredom.	[00:28]
asciilifeform:	turns out -- koschei's sharpest knife.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu:	guess so.	[00:28]
asciilifeform:	oh, speaking of death by boredom,	[00:30]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7KayJ/?raw=true	[00:30]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform heh	[00:31]
asciilifeform:	unfuckingbelievable.	[00:31]
BingoBoingo:	From the WhatTheFun mines: "I come from the Houston area and have been heartbroken about the damage and scenes from Harvey. I decided to donate $250 and asked my girlfriend if she would match it. She agreed, and then when I asked if she had given to the Red Cross or someone else, I learned that she donated to the Humane Society. I know shes absolutely nuts about animals, especially our own dogs, but to give to animals when people are	[00:33]
BingoBoingo:	in trouble seems heartless to me. Shes much more politically active than I am, and I finally asked if she did that to avoid the possibility of giving money to someone who voted for Trump, and she admitted that was one of the reasons. I think thats awful, and weve been fighting about it ever since. She thinks as a gay woman I should see her side, but I just cant."	[00:33]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: wait till she learns how the street dogz of houston, voted.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu:	lmao	[00:33]
BingoBoingo:	Make Kibble Great Again!	[00:33]
mircea_popescu:	fun fact : dogs grab pussy all teh time would have all voted trump.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu:	nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do.	[00:34]
asciilifeform:	they'll root out the menstruators, also, as if pig -- truffle	[00:34]
mod6:	aha	[00:36]
BingoBoingo:	<mircea_popescu> nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. << lettuce not forget the Human Society's other priority, the cats! Cats who fleece old women society while snorting catnip and other drugs during pussy grabbing orgies.	[00:37]
BingoBoingo:	Companion animals are deeply alt-conservative.	[00:44]
BingoBoingo:	!~ticker --market all	[00:53]
jhvh1:	BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4380.0, vol: 6935.74503788 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4377.4, vol: 16393.35961664 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 4390.0, vol: 3588.52097016 \| Volume-weighted last average: 4379.74969838	[00:53]
deedbot:	http://danielpbarron.com/2017/bitcoin-faucet/ << Daniel P. Barron - Bitcoin Faucet	[00:56]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1541...2109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)	[01:21]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1013D0B88AA943868BE25B8727E44671623A0CB511CAD07B0B5D139B0527BA27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.90.153.4 (ssh-rsa key from 91.90.153.4 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (server474.mivitec.net. DE)	[01:21]
mircea_popescu:	danielpbarron "scandalous"	[01:36]
mircea_popescu:	and wd on the half dolla a day huh.	[01:37]
danielpbarron:	ty	[01:38]
mircea_popescu:	meanwhile in faux old country, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72c80abf2a2846b3bf55b9664b6dc899/tumblr_nw5mofCDbh1uxetfho1_1280.jpg	[01:38]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1459...5807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)	[01:39]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11167DCDC406092023DA152068952BA67F3F0B74C0DF9A048062961C0D39204C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1717...0683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.94.174 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.94.174 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (lvps87-230-94-174.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)	[01:39]
ben_vulpes:	daily paranoid fantasies: https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-pot-monopoly-mystery	[02:10]
mircea_popescu:	heh. and doh.	[02:12]
spyked:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks	[06:14]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-28 20:03 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey )	[06:14]
spyked:	(text version: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ro4vU/?raw=true )	[06:18]
kanzure:	mircea_popescu: http://gnusha.org/logs/?C=SO=D	[06:52]
kanzure:	mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log	[06:54]
phf:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.	[08:57]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 03:26 kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?	[08:57]
phf:	there was a wiki in 2005 or so, called "mentat wiki". i think it was cool not so much for the content as the premise. it was supposed to be a collection of techniques for memory recall, arithmetic, problem solving, that sort of stuff.	[09:23]
phf:	but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"	[09:24]
phf:	but the name was obviously tongue in cheek	[09:25]
phf:	my impression is all that lesswrong, rationalwiki, yudkowsky, etc. is basically mentat wiki that took itself seriously.	[09:31]
kanzure:	you're still lumping me in with the "rationalists"?	[09:47]
* shinohai	catches up on megalog with coffee .... [~]D	[09:53]
phf:	well, that aside wasn't about you, but about yudkowsky.	[09:58]
kanzure:	alright	[09:59]
phf:	but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".	[10:00]
shinohai:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704628 <<< This dialogue between asciilifeform and kanzure boils down to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html imho	[10:07]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.	[10:07]
shinohai:	(Many thanks to mod6 for such eloquent words)	[10:07]
kanzure:	phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.	[10:10]
* asciilifeform	just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing	[10:25]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log	[10:25]
asciilifeform:	picture, these people :	[10:26]
asciilifeform:	19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids	[10:26]
asciilifeform:	19:41 <@fenn> but now that there's no patent, still no free bacteria	[10:26]
asciilifeform:	or...	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:11 < justanotheruser> kanzure: are you the 1%?	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:12 < kanzure> why do you ask?	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: because you buy stuff for a bunch of people on IRC in the name of science	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:12 < justanotheruser> sounds like what a scientist would do if he became a 1%er	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:12 < seba-> really	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:13 < kanzure> i am probably 1%	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:13 < seba-> kanzure buys stuff	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:13 < seba-> so cool	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	17:13 < seba-> what will you buy me	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: you've been doing this since... '07? or when. what do you and the platoon of talkers have to show for it ? where is the desktop-biolab-on-a-chip ?	[10:27]
asciilifeform:	or how about this gem:	[10:28]
asciilifeform:	15:06 < kanzure> uh, my complaint about lasers isn't about the laser itself, but rather the optics usually associated (or, in cases where i need to maintain a co2 tube, i also mean co2 tubes)	[10:28]
asciilifeform:	srsly, 'too hard to maintain co2 tube and exhaust' ? let's-go-shopping ?	[10:28]
asciilifeform:	even i have a working co2 setup. and i'm not even '1%'.	[10:28]
asciilifeform:	i dun even live in fucking califuckia	[10:28]
asciilifeform:	or... 15:26 <@fenn> now this may sound radically radical, but why not just use a metal tube << this and elsewhere, demonstrates that any and all of these people, are innocent of having ever worked with their hands, or studied so much as kindergarten experimental physics, chemistry, take yer pick	[10:30]
asciilifeform:	srsly, steel body for rf-excited laser tube ?!	[10:30]
asciilifeform:	i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.	[10:31]
phf:	asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704255	[10:31]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs	[10:31]
asciilifeform:	evidently!	[10:31]
asciilifeform:	there's 50x moar gem material in that there linked log, but i will spare the reader.	[10:31]
kanzure:	asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?	[11:27]
kanzure:	prefering solid state lasers to co2 tubes is not a crime. but you're welcome to chase ancient tech.	[11:27]
kanzure:	interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?)	[11:29]
trinque:	quote logs or gtfo, seriously.	[11:30]
trinque:	this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum.	[11:30]
kanzure:	yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)	[11:30]
kanzure:	like i said, this all seems like a bunch of noise. you're welcome to haphazardly flounce around but at least be honest with as much.	[11:31]
trinque:	!!rate kanzure -1 No one here need prove himself to you.	[11:33]
deedbot:	Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MCR2U/?raw=true	[11:33]
trinque:	!!v B66761AE8F397CA668DD9E96E7E180BD55F68139DDA31A79C37BAA98C8D6087F	[11:33]
deedbot:	trinque rated kanzure -1 << No one here need prove himself to you.	[11:33]
kanzure:	such discipline	[11:34]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: largest ir laserdiode i was able to find on nongoldentoilet market, is 30w.	[11:47]
asciilifeform:	( and it costs == to what my tube cost, and ~likewise~ needs water cooling. )	[11:48]
asciilifeform:	so not sure what is the improvement, other than a slightly less-breakable setup.	[11:48]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704931 << i designed, make, and sell, a physical product, kanzure . what do you sell ?	[11:49]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:30 kanzure: yes i'm sure things are usually like this (asciilifeform making up bullshit)	[11:49]
asciilifeform:	other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin.	[11:49]
shinohai:	This is a single achievement btw .... asciilifeform is responsible for `V` which I also consider a product.	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here	[11:51]
kanzure:	i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	there are . they're five-figures.	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	my tube -- 300bux./	[11:51]
kanzure:	right.. so they exist.	[11:51]
asciilifeform:	of course they exist. but q was 'why the hell still using tubes'	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	because diode -- still golden toilet.	[11:52]
kanzure:	i think generally we should prefer less breakable things i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive.	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: if you're selling kilowatt 1000nm diode -- i'll buy !	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	six!	[11:52]
asciilifeform:	... if costs less than tube.	[11:53]
kanzure:	this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm.	[11:53]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: there's ~infinite demand.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	tubes suck.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.	[11:54]
asciilifeform:	diode could take over in hobbyist niche, if 30W diode didn't cost same as 100W tube. ( 30w cutter is a toy, fit only for carving porn into wooden planks )	[11:55]
kanzure:	do you know why the laser diodes are expensive?	[11:55]
asciilifeform:	can't say that i do	[11:55]
asciilifeform:	will guess -- small runs.	[11:55]
kanzure:	ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.	[11:56]
asciilifeform:	how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc	[11:57]
asciilifeform:	pro tip : piss on american patents, 'regulations', decrees.	[11:57]
asciilifeform:	boosts not only your profit margin, but respectability, 100x.	[11:58]
asciilifeform:	if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?	[11:58]
asciilifeform:	get out, to the free world.	[11:58]
asciilifeform:	take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations.	[11:59]
asciilifeform:	visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc	[12:00]
asciilifeform:	( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0	[12:00]
asciilifeform:	)	[12:01]
kanzure:	apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.")	[12:02]
asciilifeform:	project much ?	[12:02]
asciilifeform:	where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ?	[12:02]
kanzure:	it's literally the answer i was given	[12:02]
asciilifeform:	so far i see only the page where i can read his noise	[12:02]
kanzure:	do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why?	[12:02]
asciilifeform:	electroporator is trivial, i can get surplus one or make own for a hundy	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	how about cheap laser diode ?	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	or desktop ic fab	[12:03]
kanzure:	that's not something 've been working on. so i'm not sure it merits surprise that i don't have one?	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	fine, desktop hplc ?	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	gcms?	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	iirc you were making one in '07	[12:03]
asciilifeform:	i'd buy	[12:03]
kanzure:	hplc in 2007 no that doesn't sound right. might have been someone else.	[12:04]
asciilifeform:	aite... what DO you have ? can haz catalogue ?	[12:04]
kanzure:	that's a reasonable request. i'll make catalog.	[12:05]
asciilifeform:	plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property''	[12:11]
asciilifeform:	i'd buy a desktop atomic force microscope, say.	[12:11]
asciilifeform:	or compact electron microscope.	[12:12]
kanzure:	i bought a FIB recently btw. have you played with one?	[12:12]
asciilifeform:	nope. but would buy !	[12:12]
kanzure:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focused_ion_beam	[12:12]
asciilifeform:	supposing it were cheap, but, even more importantly, SMALL	[12:12]
kanzure:	yea had to get a forklift to move this thing	[12:12]
asciilifeform:	my microscopy plans are very modest : 1uM ic dies.	[12:13]
kanzure:	1 micron feature size?	[12:14]
asciilifeform:	aha	[12:14]
asciilifeform:	early 1990s.	[12:14]
asciilifeform:	what do you image with your FIB, kanzure ?	[12:14]
kanzure:	yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days.	[12:15]
kanzure:	FIB was recently acquired, currently sitting in crate, needs to be uncrated at goon house	[12:15]
asciilifeform:	so... purchased 'just in case' ?	[12:15]
asciilifeform:	( nuffin' wrong with that, i suppose, if you have infinite floor space )	[12:16]
kanzure:	just in case it works? haha	[12:16]
kanzure:	infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip	[12:16]
asciilifeform:	lol	[12:17]
asciilifeform:	( i assumed 'goon house' means warehouse with 'infinite' floor or similar )	[12:17]
kanzure:	no it's literally someone's house.	[12:18]
asciilifeform:	aah	[12:18]
asciilifeform:	fib is interesting to be strictly from home-fab pov	[12:20]
asciilifeform:	*to me	[12:20]
asciilifeform:	but it scarcely qualifies, costwise, as 'home'	[12:20]
asciilifeform:	( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. )	[12:22]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.	[12:23]
asciilifeform:	( soft and iron both. )	[12:23]
asciilifeform:	one that :	[12:23]
asciilifeform:	#!s fits in head	[12:23]
asciilifeform:	grr	[12:24]
asciilifeform:	!#s fits in head	[12:24]
a111:	121 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head	[12:24]
asciilifeform:	( moar detail here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 , if yer curious . )	[12:24]
trinque:	I still hold that wording it that way is ass-backwards.	[12:24]
asciilifeform:	trinque: say moar ?	[12:24]
shinohai:	#!/usr/bin/deedbot	[12:25]
asciilifeform:	lol	[12:25]
trinque:	lolwat	[12:25]
shinohai:	^____________^	[12:25]
trinque:	asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh?	[12:25]
kanzure:	clarify "100% nato-free workers comp" ?	[12:26]
asciilifeform:	trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head.	[12:26]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: workstation	[12:26]
asciilifeform:	as in, the item on your desk	[12:26]
trinque:	"goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes	[12:26]
asciilifeform:	as in, machine for cad, crypto, chitchat, breaking rsa, viewing pr0n, whichever it is that one does.	[12:26]
asciilifeform:	trinque: i don't disagree	[12:27]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: 'nato-free' means, approximately, 'no place for nsa to hide'.	[12:28]
kanzure:	yep understood.	[12:28]
kanzure:	why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff?	[12:29]
asciilifeform:	which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses.	[12:29]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: ask the folx who did the reversing, not me, why took so long.	[12:29]
asciilifeform:	presumably they had to pry apart the closed x86 floorplanner turds.	[12:30]
kanzure:	"oh no i'll have to figure out an acid bath" siliconpr0n.org guy seems to do it regularly	[12:30]
asciilifeform:	i don't recall him ever going from micrograph to fpga bitstream format	[12:30]
asciilifeform:	( would be spiffy tho. )	[12:30]
kanzure:	uhh yes?	[12:31]
kanzure:	https://github.com/nitram2342/degate	[12:31]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: ever used ?	[12:31]
asciilifeform:	understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?	[12:32]
kanzure:	like errors when reading the nth dram cell matter	[12:32]
asciilifeform:	who promised that it will be 'nth dram cell' ?	[12:32]
asciilifeform:	and not somewhere else.	[12:32]
kanzure:	anyway what was the goal, i thought it was established that circuit was insufficient, given doping layer trojans (yes there was a follow-up article but it was dumb)	[12:33]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: i've always wanted to discuss, with clueful folx, what specifically one ought to put in 'doping trojan' to sabotage an fpga	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	where you (opponent) have no idea what will be loaded, and where.	[12:34]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << pertinent thread	[12:35]
a111:	Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'	[12:35]
kanzure:	why do you have goals but mp not	[12:35]
asciilifeform:	because i am an engineer ( for bread -- reverse-engineer ) , not an emperor	[12:35]
kanzure:	are you about to start quoting galtse.cx to me	[12:36]
asciilifeform:	nfi what that is/was.	[12:36]
kanzure:	http://galtse.cx/ it's pretty bad	[12:36]
asciilifeform:	never seen.	[12:36]
trinque:	ah look he's on dick pulling again	[12:37]
asciilifeform:	trinque: humour the man. maybe he learns something. ( maybe even -- we learn something )	[12:38]
asciilifeform:	consider, kanzure , let's say you're fuhrer of ftmeade. which transistor in the 9572 will you diddle, to undetectably sabotage FUCKGOATS.	[12:38]
kanzure:	no i don't have an answer, i just have peripheral knowledge of this type of attack, not specific masks to go attack RNGs	[12:39]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: it's an fpga .	[12:40]
kanzure:	i forget what the response was to the response though... https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14848708327718832242&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en	[12:41]
asciilifeform:	takes 2 arbitrary waveforms, on the 2 input jacks, has nfi whether they come from the analogue boards that ship with the unit, or from audit machine.	[12:41]
asciilifeform:	( which expects, e.g., a TB output, known only to the auditor )	[12:41]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: believe or not, i keep up with the literature. tell me how to boobytrap fpga.	[12:42]
asciilifeform:	so that instead of the specified circuit, it instead does something different. and such that i and the buyers, do not immediately find out .	[12:42]
kanzure:	are you willing to accept sufficiently shit fpgas? you can do something like massive buffering of the bitstream and then do analysis to check for known circuits in a lookup table :\.	[12:42]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: what means 'shit fpga' ?	[12:43]
kanzure:	low performance	[12:43]
kanzure:	notably annoying when setting the bitstream up	[12:43]
asciilifeform:	there aren't many smaller fpga sold than the 9572.	[12:43]
asciilifeform:	72 macrocells.	[12:43]
asciilifeform:	( it's a cpld, to be pedantic. )	[12:43]
asciilifeform:	picture you as the enemy. you control the fab. what is your next move ?	[12:44]
asciilifeform:	if you substitute a chip that shits out prng stream, in place of the transform specified in http://nosuchlabs.com/fg/fg-genesis.vpatch -- it will be immediately obvious to anyone who follows my audit recipe.	[12:45]
asciilifeform:	( and for so long as 1 honest unit exists, for yoke test -- to even a child, working with bare hands )	[12:45]
asciilifeform:	lol that link seems to consist entirely of... monologues from atlasfucked	[12:56]
asciilifeform:	( should've guessed, 'galtse', lol )	[12:57]
asciilifeform:	out of curiousity, kanzure , in what do you read, other than english ?	[12:59]
kanzure:	illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here	[13:03]
kanzure:	i pretend to read all kinds of languages, but mostly english	[13:04]
asciilifeform:	pretty serious concern	[13:04]
asciilifeform:	!#s esl	[13:04]
a111:	79 results for "esl", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esl	[13:04]
shinohai:	yup ESLtard	[13:05]
shinohai:	"I put all my mETH on a rooted Google pocket surveillance device, how could it possibly all be gone?" http://archive.is/sL9Rj	[13:20]
asciilifeform:	lol, and witness the 'montrezors' in linked thread	[13:39]
BingoBoingo:	<kanzure> it's literally the answer i was given << I can't find this re-reading log at all	[13:54]
BingoBoingo:	<kanzure> yea had to get a forklift to move this thing << Do you still have forklift? What kind, is it for sale?	[13:55]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: How is the ongoing weather? Perhaps submit a piece on that if reallity differs from what is on tv?	[13:58]
kanzure:	forklift was temp rented	[14:11]
kanzure:	BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384	[14:12]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-28 23:39 kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that	[14:12]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: Ah, was hoping maybe you had something cool you were looking to unload.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure is this a girl one of yours ?	[14:21]
kanzure:	confusion	[14:21]
kanzure:	what?	[14:21]
kanzure:	BingoBoingo: i unloaded the FIB from a trailer, if that's what you mean.	[14:21]
kanzure:	(i didn't. it was someone else. but you get it.)	[14:22]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811	[14:22]
kanzure:	not one of mine	[14:22]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: Well, cheap used forklifts are like anything else. There's collector's markets, enthusiast clubs, and modding hobbyists. Though mebbe you'd picked up a cheap one.	[14:22]
kanzure:	i see	[14:23]
kanzure:	do people put flame stickers on forklifts and sell higher?	[14:23]
mircea_popescu:	BingoBoingo in which vein : coupla weeks ago saw angry forklift beeping while driving down this hill road (like 15% incline, crazy serpentines etc)	[14:23]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1513...6157 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown TR)	[14:23]
deedbot:	http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/15F4FA38A9D548A96D3C479721A62823BC7C76EC8C0B0E6DA74E3BD0E36EBC4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1797...1043 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '212.175.153.55 (ssh-rsa key from 212.175.153.55 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (Unknown TR)	[14:23]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Sweet, was it one of those little toyota LPG trucks?	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	had to have the lift raised or else would have suspended itself	[14:24]
BingoBoingo:	lol	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	no, it was very much a supermarket forklift, plain and simple	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	tiny wheels no air etc.	[14:24]
BingoBoingo:	Yeah, toyota makes those	[14:24]
mircea_popescu:	ah k	[14:24]
BingoBoingo:	orange and off-navy blue paint	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	pretty sure it was electric	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	yeah	[14:25]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704878 << seems likely actually.	[14:26]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 10:14 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703826 <-- aha. wouldn't surprise me if profiling were possible from "sandboxed" js, a la https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.06955.pdf or similar attacks	[14:26]
BingoBoingo:	The electrics tend to not be roadable at all. 4 points base instead of 3, etc	[14:26]
mircea_popescu:	quite.	[14:26]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: Well, sometimes a big oem doesn't make a truck that quite exactly fits your job or your site	[14:26]
mircea_popescu:	it bumped lots lol.	[14:26]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Those things are fun. Like a morbidly obese golf cart.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu:	apt	[14:28]
BingoBoingo:	Even then, negative turning radius	[14:28]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704883 << i had nfi the *humanist crowd was large enough to have factions.	[14:28]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 12:57 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704886 << my understanding of " a mentat from dune" was "a guy who takes a lot of showers", rather than what i discovered later was the general us view on the matter, "guy who does lots of xword puzzles". i have nfi where that typically 80s idea "xword puzzles make you smart" came from.	[14:30]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 13:24 phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"	[14:30]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: didja ever read 'dune' ?	[14:30]
mircea_popescu:	yes, i did read the original coupla books, as a 15yo boy.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu:	i did not read the sequels.	[14:30]
asciilifeform:	they were rubbish	[14:30]
mircea_popescu:	i was busy with girls by then.	[14:31]
asciilifeform:	original was entertaining. mentat was a sort of artisan, humancalculator-rationator.	[14:31]
mircea_popescu:	yes, but in a mystical rather than artisanal sense	[14:31]
asciilifeform:	( a more refined variant of the real-life 19th c profession of 'calculator' )	[14:31]
mircea_popescu:	ie, like a very beautiful girl not like a very well trained $sport boy.	[14:32]
asciilifeform:	in the b00k, it was described that they were selected & trained, and somewhat rare ( i.e. if yours got killed, it was an expensive problem , to replace )	[14:32]
mircea_popescu:	right. which is why in my mind it's represented as a sort of you know, moon. "you can't reboot the machine without knowing what it's doing"	[14:33]
mircea_popescu:	you can't train into being moon and if you are moon you can train while playing civ or golden axe. i know i did.	[14:33]
asciilifeform:	herbert does not say ~how~ they got trained.	[14:34]
asciilifeform:	much of the appeal of the b00k, imho, was that it left such detail to imagination.	[14:34]
asciilifeform:	as soon as he started shitting out sequels where the details filled in -- permanent ruin.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu:	indeed. and much of the result is that it creates different notions in different people.	[14:35]
asciilifeform:	aha.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu:	but you're very much correct, and yes, the #1 skill of mp-writer is exactly "do not specify".	[14:35]
mircea_popescu:	it's plain to notice, too, all the fanfic porn on literotica or whatever always has these stat cards, "she was so and so and tits like that and the other".	[14:36]
mircea_popescu:	that ain't literature anymore than memory-trained monkey is thinker.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu:	i think the later author (iirc the sequels weren't written by the original, but some son or inheritor at any rate) suffered very much from the equalizing stupidity (ie, unaware of differences, thinking self equivalent to anyone) who then imagined "what people want" is "to have blanks filled in" and produced very much http://trilema.com/2017/and-dont-go-around-upgrading-the-testaments-either/#selection-67.187-67.188	[14:38]
asciilifeform:	a few of them were , sadly, by herbert	[14:39]
asciilifeform:	rest -- iirc by son	[14:39]
mircea_popescu:	ah ok	[14:39]
asciilifeform:	but the observation stands.	[14:39]
asciilifeform:	orig b00k rocked because left much to imagination.	[14:39]
asciilifeform:	this is an extremely common thing.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu:	goes right back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704371 it's very easy as an author to write great books -- write books that only appeal to the intelligent and get a free ride on your reader's backs.	[14:40]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-28 23:35 mircea_popescu: because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people.	[14:40]
asciilifeform:	how all - afaik - good sf -- worked. ( notice, past tense.. )	[14:41]
mircea_popescu:	kinda why literature was a thing in 1700 france was not a thing in 1900s us.	[14:41]
BingoBoingo:	!~ticker --market all	[14:43]
jhvh1:	BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4576.83, vol: 11618.48623201 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4582.1, vol: 30841.70199112 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 4583.0, vol: 5106.36394352 \| Volume-weighted last average: 4580.90937986	[14:43]
asciilifeform:	http://gnusha.org/logs/2017-08-29.log << lulzy, i had nfi adlai wanted to work pr for us!111	[14:43]
mircea_popescu:	eh.	[14:43]
asciilifeform:	lol, 01:53 < fenn> somehow i knew both these names and never put it together	[14:44]
asciilifeform:	this is what, the 5th d00d.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu:	hurr. SUPERFICIALITY.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu:	they get trained by tv and candy crush to be as superficial as possible because it reduces production costs significantly.	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	trained?	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	wolf in the forest, also trained?	[14:45]
mircea_popescu:	THEN they keep biting the steel girder in any real interaction, because guess what, if you're not watching tv the conventions of tv world aren't enforceable.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform to a large degree yes.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu:	you know you can have wolf pups that don'\t attack the farm animals ?	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	you can have tiger that also dun attack. so long as he's fed. and in good mood. neh?	[14:46]
mircea_popescu:	quite.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu:	a recall the gazelle and cheetahs scenes ?	[14:46]
asciilifeform:	aha	[14:46]
mircea_popescu:	such adorbs.	[14:46]
asciilifeform:	01:26 < adlai> hint: try finding the 2nd factor	[14:47]
asciilifeform:	01:28 < fenn> i don't know how to do that and not interested in learning right now	[14:47]
asciilifeform:	^ summarizes.	[14:47]
mircea_popescu:	o.O	[14:47]
mircea_popescu:	dude this possibly takes the cake. i mean the previous contender was what, something in basic physics. but this is...	[14:47]
mircea_popescu:	wtf transfuckinghumanism! there's all this basic humanism stuff to be still mastered!	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	very easy to kneel to the majesty of nsa, when you skipped kindergarten and have nfi how to find q given a p...	[14:48]
BingoBoingo:	lol	[14:49]
asciilifeform:	hey, recall, g_l's 'fuck off with your old stolid newton, i will make UNIFIED THEORY!'	[14:49]
mircea_popescu:	a speaking of which asciilifeform i was meaning to ask, seeing how they keep popping in pairs : how many times as a % of cases is that when we pop a modulus we pop it for BOTH p and q ?	[14:49]
mircea_popescu:	and further, how many are the same factors ? because it's starting to occur to me we might be able to find an openssh bug through birthdaying the factors it keeps popping up.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: mechanism is, if isprime(N / q), then p = N/q , announce(p).	[14:50]
mircea_popescu:	and often it announces a p and a p'!	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	that's when isprime(N/q)	[14:50]
mircea_popescu:	if it's the case that "here's this list of 200 primes which popped 2000 moduli", then we should make a histogram of moduli per prime.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	this case is known as 'properly phucked'	[14:51]
mircea_popescu:	yes, and how common is it ?	[14:51]
asciilifeform:	about 98%	[14:51]
mircea_popescu:	dude.\	[14:51]
mircea_popescu:	print teh lists.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu:	clearly openssh is broken in primegeneration.	[14:51]
asciilifeform:	i've been saving it for end of Framedragger parcel of '16	[14:51]
asciilifeform:	but will publish table, along with what else is known re each ( e.g. is debian prime ? etc )	[14:52]
mircea_popescu:	ah not yet done. aite, up to you.	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	personally i'm interested in the nondebian ones	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	( the debian primes are well-known )	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	or rather, how they cameabout	[14:52]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, surgeon general's warning : openssh is at this point known by the republic to be cryptographically weak.	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	noshit.jpg	[14:53]
mircea_popescu:	hey. gotta say.	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	plenty of green field left also. e.g. the freebsd-had-no-rng-for-two-years thing	[14:53]
mircea_popescu:	myeah. good thing people are busy "thinking" about things they don't understand instead.	[14:54]
asciilifeform:	i can grasp the psychology ( psychiatry..? ) of the california folx. yes, imaginary star drive or immortality nanobot pill is 'moar exciting' than real-life little board with fpga...	[14:55]
asciilifeform:	to the fella for whom even his plasma tv is magical artifact	[14:55]
asciilifeform:	so he answers 'show me FUN!! things, your work is a snore, nobody's flying to alpha centauri on it'	[14:56]
mircea_popescu:	i can't. it's as incomprehensible to me as the girls. a boy that dun wanna fight, really ? exactly like a girl that dun wanna fuck, i look at these like a dog looks at a painted bone. "nice work i guess lol. but..."	[14:56]
asciilifeform:	because in his mind he flies to alpha centauri 'just next month'	[14:56]
mircea_popescu:	"who squeezed all the life outta ya anyways"	[14:56]
asciilifeform:	witness the response, also typical, 'oh hey , you don't fellate lincoln? you must LUVV AYNRAND then'	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	the not-left-AND-not-right-can-of-pepsi is not conceptualizable, apparently	[14:57]
mircea_popescu:	apparently.	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	and the inevitably comorbid 'i know enlish, i Can And Have Read Everything There Was Worth The Reading'	[14:58]
asciilifeform:	*engl	[14:58]
mircea_popescu:	but in any case, ANOTHER aspect of discipline reveals itself. "work on what mp tells you to work on, not on what you think is fun to work on".	[14:59]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform not even false, i dunno there's much worth reading in english. i mean one can be done with twain and shakespeare in a summer.	[14:59]
asciilifeform:	but find a californirast who does not believe himself master of all culture	[15:00]
mircea_popescu:	discoursively or subjectively you mean ?	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	either	[15:00]
mircea_popescu:	from experience they subjectively think they're "doing pretty good" in any case "better than those other deplorables". whereas discoursively he could in principle say anything, chiefly because is not convinced words carry any meaning. as long as he's not saying something verboten like "africans have no culture", it's all up for grabs. "for controversy" which is somehow related to "funding".	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	i'm beginning to wrap head around http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699945 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699946	[15:03]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance.	[15:03]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-18 03:59 mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else.	[15:03]
asciilifeform:	that these people are sitting on coin, is an atrocity, and the sooner corrected -- the better	[15:03]
mircea_popescu:	back in 2014 the idea was that they are (and in fact they were, mostly by accident). it's been generally washed out of them by now.	[15:04]
asciilifeform:	i can't comment, having not even a faint clue	[15:04]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. it is a plain example of "bitcoin corrupts" at work.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu:	very much a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687603	[15:05]
a111:	Logged on 2017-07-20 19:44 mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu:	"but mp, i'm against violence" "you'll get discounted out of existence in the marketplace" "uhhhh!"	[15:05]
asciilifeform:	witness these poor heathens' view of patents, tho	[15:06]
mircea_popescu:	which ?	[15:06]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 and elsewhere	[15:06]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids	[15:06]
mircea_popescu:	i expect this is factual.	[15:06]
asciilifeform:	they see usg as part of fabric of the universe	[15:06]
asciilifeform:	and its removal , no more conceivable than removal of newton's 3rd law	[15:07]
mircea_popescu:	consider http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/#selection-181.0-185.907	[15:07]
mircea_popescu:	actually, let's put this in the log.	[15:07]
asciilifeform:	somehow can sit and smoke pot, which is punishable by 20 to life in all 50 states ( per usg paper, at least ) but not break patent, oh never!11	[15:07]
mircea_popescu:	"Every male you ever run into will be looking for an excuse, to explain to himself, and to "everyone else" as he represents that in his head, why he isn't doing, more, better, etcetera. You happen to have an exceptional answer, and one that he is extremely eager to receive from you. For this reason you are to expect no fundamental problems, it's not like you might run into a male that doesn't want to find himself in the safe,	[15:08]
mircea_popescu:	protective confines of your steel gift. They do want to, all of them do. Impediments, such as exist, all come from circumstantial happenstance, you have to be careful not to pinch their delicate skins putting it on -- and mind that for every inch of physical skin males have miles upon miles of mind-skins enveloping them like a far-reaching cocoon. Once on, you'll have to make sure it doesn't rub wrongly, and especially teach	[15:08]
mircea_popescu:	the captured male how to behave so it doesn't rub wrongly. Example suffices, he will perhaps protest but certainly learn and definitely change to fit the limit on his penis. It's not like he's not very eager to alter his behaviour so he can maintain that sweet, sweet delicious cage for longer, for as long as possible, forever. Whatever he may say, it's all window-dressing for that simple, fundamental fact -- he's happier neu	[15:08]
mircea_popescu:	tered than on his own."	[15:08]
asciilifeform:	i suspect that most of the 'golden cage' behaviour is unexamined	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	and unconscious	[15:09]
mircea_popescu:	by the oject ? but ofcouars.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu:	object*	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	which is why you end up observing what the 'pill' folx called 'hamstering', when confronting them , rubbing nose in it	[15:09]
mircea_popescu:	whassat ?	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	!#s rationalization hamster	[15:10]
a111:	2 results for "rationalization hamster", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=rationalization%20hamster	[15:10]
mircea_popescu:	oh oh.	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	or what was it called	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	term from heathen world	[15:10]
mircea_popescu:	well yes, what's one to do.\	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	for psychopathological 'immune reaction' to dissonance	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	e.g. 'mp is powerless, SEC left him alone for its own reasons' etc	[15:11]
mircea_popescu:	i don't think that really even happened. i mean... WHAT PROOF DO WE HAVE	[15:11]
asciilifeform:	or kako's 'shitcoin forks went away on their own, they just didn't feel like winning'	[15:11]
mircea_popescu:	lol right.	[15:11]
asciilifeform:	'ethertardium dao evaporated on its own'	[15:11]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?	[15:12]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:00 phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".	[15:12]
asciilifeform:	is a man whose sphincter still works, and who does not shit in pants, a 'sphincterist' ?	[15:12]
asciilifeform:	does it make sense to proclaim it a 'way of life' ?	[15:12]
asciilifeform:	can haz sphincterist komyoonity?	[15:12]
asciilifeform:	meetups?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu:	("artist" = choiceless art producer, say like durer. or i suppose originally, zeus, "gotta get this bitch out of my fucking skull")	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i have no idea, examining his.	[15:13]
asciilifeform:	aite	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	i take it we're all aware how athens (ie, wisdom) was born according to the greeks, yes ?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu:	in particular phf what'd be the name for "opinions and actions based on "i don't see anything wroing with it"" ? still rationalist ?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704897 << see, the problem is not THAT it's ponyfic but that it's bad. there's plenty of demand for good fearmongering (don't stick your tongue in wall socket, son!), the problem is there's no demand for bad fearmongering. it's the quality, not the kind of item, that's the problem.	[15:17]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:10 kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704898 << well i was going to read that after the log, but since you put spoilers in there ima go read it first and continue later.	[15:18]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:25 asciilifeform just made it through entomological swarmpile http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 -- was really sumthing	[15:18]
mircea_popescu:	wait, someone bought micrometer wavelength light made ?	[15:22]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform 12:22 <@fenn> how many lines of code is OCC? <<< see, he is asking the right question. i knew my patience will be dug back out from the hole by the unfolding of events!	[15:26]
mircea_popescu:	12:23 < kanzure> there is a certain argument about not always throwing away legacy code, but i currently forget the exact argument << it was joel writing up netscape implosion.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/	[15:28]
mircea_popescu:	ahahaha Leibniz patents o lordy.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure you are experiencing the following problem : you do ocr on old text, which produces ambiguities that bite you in the ass. yes the string "patent" can be found in medieval and early modern period documents. the item thereby denoted however is not a patent.	[15:35]
kanzure:	opencascade notes http://diyhpl.us/wiki/cad/opencascade/	[15:35]
kanzure:	ETF progress https://www.bna.com/sec-waits-sidelines-n73014463791/	[15:35]
mircea_popescu:	this is one of the main ways in which wiki "education" fails. to understand things you must follow their pedigree not merely attempt to recognize instantaneous shape.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu:	the original privateers were created through letters patent the meaning of the word there is very much in the vein of monarchical absolutism. it was later co-opted when industrial revolution folk wanted a way to claim transcendence for acts of commerce.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure> i wonder if people just signed their work with leibniz's name as a way to get it preserved << your reference points are pythagoras and perhaps	[15:39]
mircea_popescu:	!#s bourbaki	[15:39]
a111:	19 results for "bourbaki", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bourbaki	[15:39]
mircea_popescu:	14:43 < kanzure> i was just going through "the list" in my head (i don't really have a list, i'm just making things up that sound important) << ehehehe. this is becoming very alike that seinfeld episode where they had an opposite world and there was an opposte alf named fenn and so on. THE RSMT!!!	[15:43]
asciilifeform:	i thought that was catv	[15:43]
phf:	nah, catv was dead. this thing is alive	[15:44]
mircea_popescu:	well, maybe it should be worrisome the best times were in 2014, but yes, seems alive enough.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu:	phf so who is fenn fellow anyway ?	[15:45]
kanzure:	http://fennetic.net/	[15:45]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure a ty. the reason i ask him is that i know him, you see. like in http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/	[15:46]
mircea_popescu:	on the basis of his authority (as i understand it) i can decode meaning out of words.	[15:46]
deedbot:	http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/ << Daniel P. Barron - Shitgnomes	[15:47]
asciilifeform:	http://fennetic.net/bfi/bfi-draft.txt << oh hah, hexapodist.	[15:47]
phf:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705282 << i think empiricist, but also perhaps a mystic would be another alternative, i.e. knowledge through divine revelation. i think perhaps also traditionalist, i.e. inherent knowledge	[15:47]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 19:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704893 << what'd be the alternative to the rationalist without quotes here ? like an existentialist say ? or perhaps an "artist" ?	[15:47]
* asciilifeform	once enthusiast, long ago	[15:47]
mircea_popescu:	ehehehe! " how to make an inexpensive portable CNC milling machine - my Buckminster Fuller Institute contest "hexapod" entry"	[15:47]
mircea_popescu:	what nao alfie!	[15:47]
danielpbarron:	!!deed http://danielpbarron.com/2017/shitgnomes/4.1.35.asc	[15:48]
asciilifeform:	hey, i was cured. ( 'inexpensive' and 'portable' does not go with the mass you need for useful accuracy cutting even aluminum )	[15:49]
shinohai:	danielpbarron: it appears this cuntoo mirroe that mod6 spoke of is becoming more and more important.	[15:49]
shinohai:	*mirror	[15:49]
mircea_popescu:	so basically, either a slut (cock comes through the glory hole, i suck it, what do you want from me) or else a fanatic (allah told me!). otherwise, thinking man has no alternative but to be rationalist ?	[15:49]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform so you were cured. but he's, again, asking the right question.	[15:50]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: i have 0 monopoly on asking questions.	[15:50]
asciilifeform:	incl. right-questions.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu:	the ~right~ quesrtions.	[15:50]
* mircea_popescu	knows of no other qualification for the unknown besides asking the right questions.	[15:50]
kanzure:	asciilifeform: you don't need mass	[15:50]
kanzure:	asciilifeform: ask fenn	[15:50]
danielpbarron:	shinohai, thanks to this latest annoyance i'm a little closer to understanding how such a mirror might work	[15:50]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure mind asking him to come over ? i'll rate him anyway on teh basis of what i've seen	[15:51]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: nobody cancelled newton's 3rd	[15:51]
asciilifeform:	you need mass.	[15:51]
kanzure:	he has been summoned	[15:51]
* mircea_popescu	would like to hear what the man says.	[15:51]
kanzure:	tension yadda yadda	[15:51]
kanzure:	stewart platforms hexpods etc	[15:52]
kanzure:	hexapods, rather.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	eh, dun ruin his thunder.	[15:52]
kanzure:	so touchy in here	[15:52]
asciilifeform:	!#s hexapod	[15:52]
a111:	3 results for "hexapod", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hexapod	[15:52]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform mommentum-inertial could work as substitute for mass-inertial as a ready notion. who knows what other cleverness lies silent.	[15:53]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: now, here's 1 cnc tool for which you ~don't~ need rigidity -- electrolytic cutting head. was tried in su, and still (!) in production today, but 'industrial' scale. would be interesting to see compact version thereof. ( see old log )	[15:53]
mircea_popescu:	he got an electroporing thing, in this vein.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu:	acvtual published schematics and errythang.	[15:54]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: 'electroporation' is unrelated item -- weaken cell membranes with discharge, for plasmid etc work	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	give it more power, it'll cut through other things! :D	[15:54]
asciilifeform:	item with (small) cap, controlled 'total coloumb' etc	[15:54]
asciilifeform:	standard bio instrument, since 1940s.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[15:54]
asciilifeform:	the 2 are as related as cock is to pencil.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu:	these are related.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu:	!~google pencil dick	[15:55]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: Urban Dictionary: pencil dick: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dpencil%2520dick> What do people consider to be a pencil dick ? : bigdickproblems: <https://www.reddit.com/r/bigdickproblems/comments/32edi6/what_do_people_consider_to_be_a_pencil_dick/> pencil dick - Wiktionary: <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pencil_dick>	[15:55]
phf:	mircea_popescu: i don't think a thinking man is any kind of ist. i think it's an affect, one could be a rationalist and then he's going to talk about occam and denounce causes, or one can be some kind of mystic, and then he's going to have a particular stance also. i don't think any of this has to do with with any sort of understanding.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu:	hm.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu:	so the -ists as basically, the filename, whereas the file contents is a pile of heuristics/hacks, work as well as you might expect ?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu:	rational.ist empir.ist and so on	[15:56]
mircea_popescu:	"can't emerge world" "tried ./rational.ist on it ?"	[15:57]
kanzure:	lice.btc.calendar.opentimestamps.org	[15:57]
kanzure:	ah hell	[15:57]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/	[15:57]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure do you actually have any bitcoin ?	[15:57]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: seems like i've read the d00d before, long ago. but can't remember when, and where..	[15:57]
asciilifeform:	( fennetic )	[15:57]
kanzure:	bitwhat?	[15:57]
mircea_popescu:	bitcoin.	[15:58]
asciilifeform:	lol	[15:58]
kanzure:	never heard of it http://gnusha.org/logs/2009-01-10.log	[15:58]
mircea_popescu:	wouldja mind answering candidly!	[15:58]
kanzure:	yes	[15:58]
mircea_popescu:	yes but, more than one or 0.dust ?	[15:59]
kanzure:	not dust	[15:59]
mircea_popescu:	a good for you!	[15:59]
kanzure:	january 2009 not early enough for you huh?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu:	plenty early. no, my expectations was you're stuck with dust, and i was going to offer you one so you have one.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu:	want it anyway ?	[16:00]
kanzure:	sure why not	[16:01]
mircea_popescu:	nice work danielpbarron shows the value of keeping proper tapes huh.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure post an addy.	[16:01]
asciilifeform:	danielpbarron: they'll keep breaking it for so long as physically possible.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu:	well, he made it less possible.	[16:02]
asciilifeform:	aha	[16:02]
shinohai:	!~later tell mats http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zZ9Ny/?raw=true	[16:02]
jhvh1:	shinohai: The operation succeeded.	[16:02]
danielpbarron:	yeah if they break something else i'll just dig it out of one of my working machines and apply the same treatment	[16:02]
kanzure:	pm'd an address	[16:02]
mircea_popescu:	uh i dun get pms. post it, what, it's secret ?	[16:03]
shinohai:	Maybe he is trying to avoid Barry Shillbert's secret Bitcoin police	[16:03]
kanzure:	you don't get pm's?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu:	so use a shillbert webwallet as a proxy	[16:03]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure nope.	[16:03]
kanzure:	1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh	[16:04]
mircea_popescu:	i just get a "x might want to be upped" notification, that's it.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu:	!!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1	[16:04]
mircea_popescu:	O WAIT! THAT"S NOT IMPLEMENTED YET!	[16:04]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure you'll have it in a few hours.	[16:04]
kanzure:	sure is a strange way to do coinjoin	[16:05]
mircea_popescu:	whassat ?	[16:05]
kanzure:	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321228.0	[16:05]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-confidential-transactions/	[16:05]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/sf-bitcoin-meetup/2016-11-21-mimblewimble/	[16:05]
kanzure:	https://github.com/chris-belcher/joinmarket	[16:06]
kanzure:	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/state_of_coinjoin	[16:06]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Join%20me%20on%20a%20market%20for%20anonymity%20-%20joinmarket%20-%202016.pdf	[16:06]
mircea_popescu:	um. i feel liek teh bourgeois gentleman over here.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu:	had no idea i was doing any of that.	[16:06]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/joinmarket/	[16:06]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/scalingbitcoin/milan/tumblebit/	[16:06]
kanzure:	https://medium.com/@nopara73/tumblebit-vs-coinjoin-15e5a7d58e3	[16:06]
asciilifeform:	ahahahahahaha	[16:06]
kanzure:	i am bookmarks and so can you	[16:06]
mircea_popescu:	lol. one should really be enough.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu:	!!gettrust gmaxwell	[16:07]
deedbot:	L1: -10, L2: 8 by 16 connections.	[16:07]
shinohai:	kek	[16:07]
kanzure:	how then would i maintain my reputation of overkill otherwise?	[16:07]
mircea_popescu:	i wasn't aware you had a such.	[16:07]
kanzure:	"let's read all of wikipedia"	[16:07]
mircea_popescu:	wikipedia is for tards. you know this do you ?	[16:07]
kanzure:	ohh now you tell me	[16:08]
asciilifeform:	as is 'tumblers', mimble-anythings, etc	[16:08]
kanzure:	mumble whats?	[16:08]
mircea_popescu:	as i told the girl saturday, "i'll tell you when you ask!"	[16:08]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: i read the 'wizards' heathen logz, every few month, and know what it is that seems to occupy you lot	[16:08]
mircea_popescu:	in other lulz, is thwe current trilema header my dorkiest pic ever or what.	[16:09]
shinohai:	mircea_popescu looks like he would operate BTC speakeasy in that pic	[16:09]
mircea_popescu:	it's actually my old place in costa rica, 15 years ago or so.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu:	looked better inside.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu:	(apartments, one above, one below. the one below had an electrically leaky stove, so i bought metalware and punished girlies had to make coffee on it. ZAP ZAP ZAP.)	[16:10]
shinohai:	lolz	[16:11]
trinque:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705403 << I didn't expect it to be used direct to address anyway, but rather to just change hands, then the other guy has to ask for a withdrawal	[16:11]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 20:04 mircea_popescu: !!pay 1FNFe9fC21sVp3syeGSRprnBCGU9QuY9Eh 1	[16:11]
mircea_popescu:	"please, may i wear high heels ???"	[16:11]
mircea_popescu:	trinque ah, good i said something then. any strong reason for this ?	[16:12]
trinque:	not automating transactions going out.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	dun has to be automated.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	(honestly i'd prefer it if it weren't)	[16:12]
trinque:	it 100% wont be.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	cool.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu:	but, whether it got put there by address owner or not, still same queue same process, so whatdiff does it make.	[16:13]
trinque:	nah, same page now.	[16:13]
trinque:	that works.	[16:13]
mircea_popescu:	cool.	[16:13]
shinohai:	!!rob 1`000	[16:15]
shinohai:	:D	[16:15]
mircea_popescu:	<@fenn> you could have a dialysis membrane in a microfluidic chip i guess << speaking of vaguely this : the great success of the new microflora research chips was so great it even made it to qntra! seems an eminently crowd-source-able item, in a useful way at that.	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	wtf is your excuse not running around planting chips in your back yards to find the next teixobactin ?	[16:16]
mircea_popescu:	anyone with a diy interest in microbiology should be doing precisely that at least fucking once, these days.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu:	shinohai teh silbert police is on to you nao.	[16:18]
shinohai:	Rats	[16:18]
shinohai:	I hear they lock you in a room and force you to read coindesk articles all day.	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	teixobactin << lulzy episode : 100% taxpayer-funded, yet 100% patented and monopolized by $shitcorp	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	as is typical in usglandia	[16:19]
mircea_popescu:	yawell. usia. recall that article aboput how nobody can keep up with the printing to satisfy the wowow fantasy ?	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	patent WO2014089053 .	[16:20]
mircea_popescu:	im sure if you pin down anyone enough to ask it's you know "a protective patent" to "protect it" from "the bad guys"	[16:20]
mircea_popescu:	like bitcoin.com registration, if anyone recalls those lulz.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu:	"we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"	[16:21]
asciilifeform:	gotta love these folx, 'patent' on item that lived in soil for $fuckknows million year	[16:21]
* phf	is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..	[16:21]
mircea_popescu:	phf 1mn lines. i am currently trying to discern if i will. i have tools to help me in any case, some of which wetware ( eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704882 ) some of which not.	[16:22]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 10:54 kanzure: mircea_popescu: maybe http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-06-06.log	[16:22]
asciilifeform:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705467 << recall the 'linux foundation' ?	[16:22]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 mircea_popescu: "we'll... ahem... protect the item... from derp-ass spammers who might want to do... exactly what roger ver is actually doing... in a few years ie today"	[16:22]
asciilifeform:	same thing	[16:22]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[16:22]
asciilifeform:	'we have to destroy the village, in order to save it'	[16:22]
mircea_popescu:	phf but in any case, i ~can~ read a million lines. take me a season, but then again what are seasons for,.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu:	past season, i also read a million lines. the machine is going, what you feed it is its problem, but it will be going nevertheless.	[16:23]
kanzure:	i was going to pay someone to read logs and write summaries but they chickened out	[16:24]
kanzure:	(why is everyone so lazy)	[16:24]
mircea_popescu:	same thing here.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu:	1704882 << line count, conveniently provided by phf. closing in on 2 mn.	[16:27]
shinohai:	I tried the whole "find x in teh logz" thing for someone once, though it was not a matter of being lazy, it was more of my time is worth more than pennies to do so.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu:	shinohai only way to run this is as a training exercise, really.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu:	shakespeare is similarily not paying the folk writing shakespeare write-ups. they do it to learn.	[16:27]
kanzure:	alright well why was someone paying you pennies? do you suck at negotiation or something?	[16:28]
shinohai:	Why, when 100 monkeys on typewriters can do same.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu:	!~calc 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838	[16:28]
shinohai:	Look out mp >>> https://twitter.com/FloydMayweather/status/900459256784334851	[16:28]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: 1704882 * 0.01 / 4379.74969838 = 3.8926471086478043	[16:28]
phf:	since we added ancient logs into the negative numbers, the actual count is not represented by current max id	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	ONE penny comes to almost 4btc over the logs.	[16:29]
phf:	ls	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	phf what's max - ?	[16:29]
phf:	err	[16:29]
shinohai:	Your math is better lel	[16:29]
phf:	2031466	[16:29]
mircea_popescu:	wowza.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu:	!~calc 2031466 + 1704882	[16:30]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: 2031466 + 1704882 = 3736348	[16:30]
mircea_popescu:	holy shit, 0 ad is already midway into the past ? seems like only yesterday...	[16:30]
phf:	err, i misread, that was the total number	[16:30]
mircea_popescu:	ah ah ok, makes more sense.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu:	shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz.	[16:31]
shinohai:	Must be the new generation of pantsuit! >.>	[16:31]
mircea_popescu:	why would an athlete try to wear skinny suits anyways. not for them.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu:	looks like the dressed cat in that tom and jerry cartoon.	[16:32]
shinohai:	I think the pattern looks like the chalk lines on the cloth when you go to get fitted for a suit	[16:33]
mircea_popescu:	14:55 < kanzure_> http://bitcoin.org/ yet another p2p currency piece of crap (jan 1 2009).	[16:33]
kanzure:	keep reading. same day i wrote my dad's eulogy.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu:	oh /	[16:35]
kanzure:	(jan 10 2009 btw)	[16:36]
mircea_popescu:	a right.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure this jan 2009 log is entertaining. i take it the ongoing decade has not resulted in any "some random company needs us to design them some manufacturing assembly equipment. We say we'll do it cheaper (or whatever), we license it all open source and so on, make our money from it, and apply it to what we need to get done in our tech-base of free stuff anyway."	[16:41]
mircea_popescu:	not that the stateemnt diverges from common wisdom at the time.	[16:41]
kanzure:	"common wisdom"	[16:42]
mircea_popescu:	right.	[16:42]
BingoBoingo:	<mircea_popescu> shinohai do they all wear that kinda suit ? could be worth a lotta lulz. << It's a black thing	[16:44]
mircea_popescu:	i dunno, the irish guy looked just as ridoinculous.	[16:44]
BingoBoingo:	Well, the irish are blacker still	[16:45]
mircea_popescu:	this, shockingly, is actually a point.	[16:45]
BingoBoingo:	Anyways, Mayweather's communion with civilization proceeds exactly to the bounds of mastering his vocation and nearly half an inch further.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu:	seems respectable to me.	[16:46]
BingoBoingo:	Well, a half inch is an eternity	[16:46]
* asciilifeform	tried to read link, returned with mental eggog	[16:47]
mircea_popescu:	which of the numerous links we've been blessed with was this ?	[16:47]
asciilifeform:	mayweather	[16:47]
mircea_popescu:	you don't understand how the world works.	[16:47]
asciilifeform:	clearly	[16:47]
mircea_popescu:	but let me illustrate : have you noticed how when under space pressure and trying to introduce a tech item, whatever it may be, the ONE BIT that's ABSOLUTELY NEVER omitted is the name ?	[16:48]
mircea_popescu:	screenwriter for one of the hbo shows may have all of 11 syllables to explain whatever-it-is, and by god five or six will go to "REALITYWINNER" equivalent.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu:	living in "a brand-driven society" means something. this is what it means.	[16:49]
asciilifeform:	well yes, just like the hilt is never omitted on knife	[16:49]
mircea_popescu:	not so. just like "and she is pretty and smart" is never omitterd in mary-sue fiction.	[16:49]
asciilifeform:	how are the chumps to find your identical-to-1,001-other-turds, without remembering $magicword.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu:	a NAME is not required for reference.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu:	i can speak of Whatshername Horseface all the time. people know who i mean.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	well, my girls do, at any rate.	[16:50]
asciilifeform:	it is if that's all you got.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	exactly.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	so then : rufus cryptoweather or whatever his name was.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu:	any questions ?	[16:51]
asciilifeform:	nope	[16:51]
mircea_popescu:	my work here is done. back to otherlogs then!	[16:51]
BingoBoingo:	!~ticker --market all	[16:57]
jhvh1:	BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11922.02855846 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4597.0, vol: 32265.50350515 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 4581.201, vol: 5312.13684147 \| Volume-weighted last average: 4593.61855011	[16:57]
BingoBoingo:	OMG CRASHING!!!	[16:57]
asciilifeform:	do we have a shitcoin ticker yet ?	[16:57]
trinque:	bleh which one would it be, even?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu:	no and we don't want one.	[16:58]
asciilifeform:	!~forkolade	[16:58]
jhvh1:	asciilifeform: Error: "forkolade" is not a valid command.	[16:58]
asciilifeform:	hey we have a usd ticker!111!	[16:58]
mircea_popescu:	temporarily.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu:	and speaking of < kanzure> there is a certain amount of equipment you need before you can do useful biology things << hey kanzure do you have children ?	[17:04]
jhvh1:	Current Roger Ver Coin price is: 17832540.74	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	!!up gribble	[17:04]
deedbot:	gribble voiced for 30 minutes.	[17:04]
shinohai:	O.o	[17:04]
mircea_popescu:	shoot shinohai	[17:04]
gribble:	Error: "shoot" is not a valid command.	[17:04]
shinohai:	lasers	[17:04]
gribble:	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[17:04]
kanzure:	mircea_popescu: child labor is only as good as the children	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	yes, but do you have any ?	[17:05]
kanzure:	not to my knowledge	[17:05]
mircea_popescu:	because you don't want any or because there's a certain amount of equipment you need before you can have children ?	[17:06]
kanzure:	which goal is this again?	[17:06]
kanzure:	i'm confused because it sounds like a goal	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	there's no goal.	[17:06]
kanzure:	oh if you say so	[17:06]
mircea_popescu:	i'm merely pointing out to you that no, you don't.	[17:07]
jhvh1:	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	heck, i met this chick in cairo, she lived inside a perfectly empty hole in the ground most us solitary inmates wouldn't deem fit as a prison. she had six children.	[17:07]
kanzure:	so do lots of other people	[17:07]
mircea_popescu:	this notion that "if i pile up enough blue items to make a bower i'll thereby be a bower-biologist and science will frlow from me" is nonsense.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu:	kids do it all the time, "i have a professional tennis racquet, just like agassi". it's ok for a 15yo.	[17:09]
* asciilifeform	reads the heathenl0gz, grunts with frustration that there is no ready place to... reply to anything	[17:10]
kanzure:	alf doesn't know about /join	[17:10]
mircea_popescu:	how not ? it's a thing, silly name but i spoke it yest. lessee	[17:10]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704664	[17:10]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 03:10 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware \| sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times)	[17:10]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure a, whjat's that 5 times about ?	[17:11]
kanzure:	turns out the fda regulates a lot of things	[17:11]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: join doesn't put the people who were talking, magically back, and you folx don't appear to have a culture of linking to logz (or mechanism for handily pointing at individual lines)	[17:11]
kanzure:	wheelchairs, can't build a wheelchair according to 'em	[17:11]
mircea_popescu:	a there is that.	[17:11]
kanzure:	software too	[17:11]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure so it's just implicit ? why 5 rather than 48 ?	[17:11]
kanzure:	ultrasound imaging requires a prescription in the usistan (sorry i forget your pet name)	[17:12]
kanzure:	i think there was an actual counter at some point	[17:12]
mircea_popescu:	that works	[17:12]
mircea_popescu:	yes, but actual counter based on what.	[17:12]
asciilifeform:	hey, even hiv test is illegal in idjotland 'unless by licensed agent'	[17:12]
mircea_popescu:	actually, paternity testing is illegal in france, EVEN IF DONE IN SPAIN	[17:12]
kanzure:	ok i think you would be more interested in the time that the fbi weapons of mass destruction division assigned special agents to us	[17:12]
asciilifeform:	'oh noez, tester might decide to eat his pistol'	[17:13]
mircea_popescu:	one of the lulzier bits of french law.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure ok, tell me about that time.	[17:13]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/	[17:13]
mircea_popescu:	o hey, at least its not a pdf.	[17:13]
kanzure:	ttp://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg	[17:14]
kanzure:	http://web.archive.org/web/20080708235522/http://www.fbi.gov/hq/nsb/wmd/images/hrtppe.jpg	[17:14]
kanzure:	however, the agents did not show up like that, and they were very disappointing	[17:14]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure i can't discern much from this wall of links. can i have a three sentence summary ?	[17:14]
kanzure:	fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists	[17:15]
kanzure:	so for at least a ~year many of us had regular "coffee meetings" with local area special agent	[17:15]
mircea_popescu:	ahaha	[17:15]
mircea_popescu:	did they buy ?	[17:15]
kanzure:	eventually they realized we were harmless and only going to kill the nonbelievers	[17:16]
mircea_popescu:	"Weclome to the conference. I am the local WMD coordinator for the SF division. I've been working with the biocurious folks in SV. Welcome to SF, you guys have a great time, the weather is fantastic." in other lulz.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu:	WE WILL FLY DESK TO THE MOONS!	[17:16]
asciilifeform:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/meg-flanagan-department-of-state/ << lol, complete with clitler ref	[17:18]
asciilifeform:	'We had Secretary Clinton appear, and she's an international celebrity. We were showing that this is important to the US. '	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	i have nfi why the pantsuit actually thouight clinton is a star or at least star material.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu:	but they did. one of our time's anthropo-mysteries.	[17:19]
asciilifeform:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/intro/ >> 'We're not interested in silencing or stopping science. We're interested in stopping the trends on the negative side. We're here to support science. '	[17:19]
mircea_popescu:	loller.	[17:20]
asciilifeform:	didjaknow!	[17:20]
mircea_popescu:	what was it, hate facts, negative science, and other things that ruined the clinton dream.	[17:20]
asciilifeform:	!#s fact toxic	[17:20]
a111:	2 results for "fact toxic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fact%20toxic	[17:20]
gribble:	Error: "#s" is not a valid command.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu:	!!down gribble	[17:20]
deedbot:	accepted: 1	[17:21]
asciilifeform:	'We recognize that there are people out there that want to cause harm to the US' interests.' << who could possibly?!111	[17:21]
mircea_popescu:	right.	[17:21]
asciilifeform:	'the goal of this gathering is to "foster the positive relationship among FBI, DIYbio, amateur biology, and local stakeholder communities to ensure safe conduct in science." '	[17:22]
asciilifeform:	could go on, but why.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu:	hey, they gotta try.	[17:22]
asciilifeform:	'For example, National Institutes of Health database which has a great list of compounds and sequences that are suspect, it's wonderful to do searches against it. But you're not allowed to do them during the business day because it puts too much pressure on their servers, so you're supposed to do that after hours.' << ahahahahaha	[17:23]
mircea_popescu:	"If you are using city water, filter it. If you are using a closed circuit flow system, check the water and change it every six weeks or so, or drop a few drops of Algaecide in the recirculator. Better yet, use diluted Dow Frost. << howling shits, who uses anything but prop glycol for this ?! srsly, water ? you spring 20 bux for your car, but want the laser free ?	[17:23]
asciilifeform:	even better,	[17:23]
asciilifeform:	'I would consider it irresponsible to sell a potentially dangerous composition of matter to someone who you don't know or haven't met. It's just bad judgement. Most of the people on that list are either folks with a history of exclusion for various fraudalent activities, either domestically or internationally, or people who might potentially being terrorists kinda environment, or folks who have published in North Korea, or who have p	[17:23]
asciilifeform:	ublished work on bioterrorism stuff. Bonafide researchers in academic institutions are (aren't?) on the list. We've only had one circumstance where we had someone we chose not to sell to, and we referred to the FBI in 10 years of business. It's not a huge practical issue, but it doesn't take a lot of mistakes.'	[17:23]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: i use propylene glycol.	[17:24]
asciilifeform:	( about 6 litres, recirculating )	[17:24]
mircea_popescu:	i don't know anyone who doesn't.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu:	it's just batshit insane, really, tap water ?	[17:25]
asciilifeform:	'The question was asked if you guys would sell.. if you guys ordered with a DIY scientist, not affiliated with an academic lab, someone said- not DNA2.0- or IDT.. yeah, maybe it was IDT. I'm not remembering that because, if you are a bonafide science doing bonafide work. What does that mean? It means you're not on the exclusion list, and it means you're not a bad actor....'	[17:25]
asciilifeform:	KYC!!!111	[17:25]
mircea_popescu:	obviously.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu:	"how to WoT without wotting!!!1"	[17:25]
asciilifeform:	inca-startopology-wotting.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu:	aha	[17:26]
BingoBoingo:	<kanzure> fbi was concerned that we were bioterrorists << Eh, back in summer 2014-ish FBI and Department of Treasury knocked on my door. I did the sane thing and blogged it.	[17:26]
BingoBoingo:	!#s toxic fact	[17:27]
a111:	4 results for "toxic fact", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=toxic%20fact	[17:27]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: See http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/	[17:28]
mircea_popescu:	<@fenn> just dumping this rare element overboard for no reason other than we don't feel like keeping it anymore << speaking of He, it's pretty much the only material in which usg has a monopoly. china and to some degree russia own the rare earths/heavy metals, but teh u7s got teh heliumz.	[17:31]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Well for some defintions thereof. They seem rather insistent on selling it off.	[17:32]
asciilifeform:	aaaand they've blown it ~all on neutron detectors.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu:	yes well.	[17:32]
asciilifeform:	and most of that -- vented away.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu:	i said "Crack whore has a couch" not "crack whore will never light her couch on fire"	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/fbi-diybio-2012/chris-anderson-syncberc/ >> possible winner:	[17:33]
BingoBoingo:	That fire already seems to have been lit	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	'But I am more concerned about drugs, like methamphetamine. I think meth might be easy to synthesize at biologically active quantities with existing technologies. Why is this a problem? I'm not into drugs myself, but there are dangers. They are probably going to do it with a $40 yogurt maker, you do the engineering in a yeast... then there's a problem. This is someone who .. thoroughly deskilled at this point. It takes no effort to m	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	ake this methcoli. Maybe she thinks it's about French culture, and then it grows in her intestines, and she gets either really high or really dead. This is a rusty nails situation. There is a risk that is not intuitively related to what you were doing. This is what scares me. Somehow you have to mitigate that risk. There's also the drug thing with geopolitical consequences of being able to make drugs easily. Right now, why do we have	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	all this international trade of drugs? You can't make any of the drugs we have right now in a clandestine way. You have to have giant tanks, or fields of poppeye. I have no idea what the effects of this are, but I think they are probably really big.'	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	^ 'professor'	[17:33]
mircea_popescu:	let's go back to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-31#1691201 lulz for a moment here.	[17:34]
a111:	Logged on 2017-07-31 18:04 mircea_popescu: aka errowind "noman TEK".	[17:34]
BingoBoingo:	lol, most US meth anymore seems to be made in used soda bottles	[17:34]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: wouldja argue with a Berkeley Professor ?!111	[17:35]
asciilifeform:	annointed by Her Putrid Cuntiferous Majesty	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	total clueless dork.	[17:35]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Yes!	[17:35]
mircea_popescu:	you know, it started with this 80s "judges are not to wear their capes in kid court lest the implicit, intended majesty of office scares children". then the "slightly aloof" but totalluy "genius" uni professor occured in the 90s. he spoke like a dork deliberately.	[17:36]
BingoBoingo:	How many admitted addicts does Berkeley professor know.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu:	it took hold, and now they are actually dorks.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu:	not a fucking clue, just bumbling idiots barely a shade above the herd they supposedly shepherd through "Science!!"	[17:36]
asciilifeform:	couplea shades ~below~. you couldn't stay in business as a vacuum repairman with this type of empty skullcase.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu:	all the better that nobody wants their vacuums repaired.	[17:37]
* asciilifeform	repairs...	[17:37]
mircea_popescu:	this is the lulzy dark side of MAGA : supposed it worked, and suppose there were all these jobs... and supposed teh beoble applied, and they were turned down for sucking.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu:	WHAT NAO	[17:37]
BingoBoingo:	Biodiesel!	[17:38]
asciilifeform:	+soap	[17:38]
mircea_popescu:	"as it is now, you can't have any jobs because there aren't any. but if there were some, you still couldn't have any, this time for being the suck."	[17:38]
mircea_popescu:	"oh mp, this neatly explains how there came to be no jobs in the first place!"	[17:38]
asciilifeform:	if we can process million-year animal and vegetable matter, we can process ameritards.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform there's still oil in the soil nobod ycould be arsed to process. to this day!	[17:38]
asciilifeform:	which is why don't wait for'em to sink 1km down!1111	[17:39]
mircea_popescu:	i don't think anyone can be arsed to process them.	[17:39]
asciilifeform:	not yet, at any rate.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu:	< kanzure> jrayhawk_: would you be willing to host a microscope? responsibilities would include keeping it plugged in and internet connected. also there would be an irc bot that controls where it looks. you'd also be pestered to load samples periodically. << did this 2014 idea ever get implemented ?	[17:40]
kanzure:	nmz787 took an electron microscope. the gigascope never materialized though.	[17:40]
asciilifeform:	'What about if we just block all possible ways to do this? We could block the production of any of these dangerous things? We could have someone decide. But it would also block legit things, and people will work around it. Another thing we could do- we plan to introduce blocks of some sort, but we don't have a plan for how those blocks will work. '	[17:40]
mircea_popescu:	so where can i see today's slides ?	[17:40]
kanzure:	it's not implemented	[17:40]
mircea_popescu:	kay.	[17:41]
kanzure:	give me more minions	[17:41]
mircea_popescu:	you think that's how it works ?!	[17:41]
kanzure:	conjuring? yeah	[17:41]
kanzure:	sometimes brainwashing. but yes.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu:	i'd say that explains it then.	[17:41]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: recall that time when somebody wrote in and asked mircea_popescu to 'lend him a gurl' ?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu:	no ?	[17:42]
asciilifeform:	'one you aren't using'	[17:42]
asciilifeform:	it was in a trilema	[17:42]
mircea_popescu:	IT IS EVERY TIME	[17:42]
mircea_popescu:	the only time they don't dare is when the girl is right there and she's taller than them and as the song went, "modelul nou de fata s-ar putea sa-l bata"	[17:42]
mircea_popescu:	but otherwise, yes, daily.	[17:43]
asciilifeform:	'oh and can i borrow the deathray too!'	[17:43]
mircea_popescu:	and the eye glasses and you know.	[17:43]
kanzure:	death rays ain't what they used to be	[17:43]
phf:	if i only i had more men to continue doing nothing with me	[17:44]
mircea_popescu:	neither the future is what it used to be.	[17:44]
asciilifeform:	aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890.	[17:44]
asciilifeform:	!#s deathray plot	[17:44]
a111:	4 results for "deathray plot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=deathray%20plot	[17:44]
phf:	why i'd be the next genghis khan in my mind by now	[17:44]
asciilifeform:	phf: can't permit a doingnothers-gap!11	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	phf what'd you have him do ?	[17:45]
BingoBoingo:	<asciilifeform> aaactually deathray is one of the few items that stayed quite the same since 1890. << Nah, now they jacket the mass of lead atoms with a different metal	[17:45]
mircea_popescu:	BingoBoingo bullet may have a waveform associated with it, but it's trivial!	[17:45]
BingoBoingo:	LOL	[17:46]
mircea_popescu:	so not a proper ray!	[17:46]
asciilifeform:	'GMO is not allowed unelss you have a certified lab. The chief of the fire department institute, it's called CDDBTK (what?), but we have a positive dialog about when to file they will give us permission apparently to do GMO work. '	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	< kanzure> also it's because i feel ashamed for not having thousands of hours of microscopy video already << i hope shame intensifies. but in any case : why the fuck wouldf you make it video.	[17:47]
kanzure:	you prefer individual jpegs?	[17:47]
mircea_popescu:	yes.	[17:47]
kanzure:	elaborate	[17:47]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Of course it's not a 'proper' ray! It's a DEATH ray! No reason to be polite	[17:47]
asciilifeform:	ic dies don't move.	[17:47]
kanzure:	but pokemon do	[17:47]
kanzure:	(context: https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal )	[17:48]
asciilifeform:	devils move , at room temp, but that's why you crystallography'em	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure the overhead of movement is 90% + of the cost you incur and 1% or less of the point of interest. microscopy is supposed to be gifs. and correctly colorized so as to allow me to get back the electron microscope original.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	(i don't mean animated gifs, i mean paletted.)	[17:48]
kanzure:	microscopy is supposed to be gifs? next you're going to tell me webm	[17:48]
kanzure:	oh.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu:	you don't want the "color levels" nonsense of bitmap/jpeg family. you want the gif palette, and a clearly explicit mapping to the electron microscope output.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu:	this way you actually have a de facto lossless, and rather useful, microscopy remote format.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu:	(likbez : the result of microscopy is a set, of levels, that are not numbers in the proper sense. consequently you wish to see a list of them, but can not do implicit color conversions such as blue+yellow = green, because color #45 the microscope saw has nothing to do with #65 or #72)	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	'FBI question, not biocurious... there's 30k or 40k people getting PhDs in biology, and 100s of people in amateur biology. Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences? Nathan: Well, we're not a one trick pony. We have a lot of assets dedicated to academic biosecurity outreach. We have established such a great relationship with DIYbio from	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	the beginning, we wish to continue the conversation and use this as an exchange of information, so I would say that amateur biology on the stage from the FBI's perspective should not be perceived as us taking the community seriously from a threat or security perspective, these are the whitehats in this room. It's our goal that we operate safely and securely to identify those blackhats if they are out there. .... we're from DNA 2.0. W	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	e're engaged with the FBI, proportionally as the FBI engages in the amateur community. '	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	hey hey mircea_popescu , do you remember back when fbi/nsa 'engaged with' the 'cryptographer komyoonity' ?	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	and what the result was ?	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	yes. and what a lulz that was.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu:	"Why is the FBI focused on the amateur side, and such a higher risk or higher threat from people coming out of the more traditional sciences?" << because people coming from "traditional" are already neutered.	[17:54]
asciilifeform:	noshit.jpg	[17:54]
mircea_popescu:	you know they're not going to do anything worth the mention as part of the definition.	[17:54]
asciilifeform:	asciilifeform lives next to a large reservation for these creatures. lab that makes usg-approved, 'law-abiding' drones ic fab which makes safely-useless rubbish electron microscope where asciilifeform is not invited within cannon's breadth, even for money etc	[17:56]
asciilifeform:	lately asciilifeform cannot even use the library catalogue. copyrights, you see. 'students only'	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[17:56]
mircea_popescu:	so enroll, what.	[17:56]
asciilifeform:	i used to do just that	[17:56]
asciilifeform:	got tired of feeding the scambeast.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	ah. so then proper statement is, "alf has no use for them"	[17:57]
asciilifeform:	then bought scamola 'life membership' , which retro-revoked ~all useful features recently	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	doh.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	sue them ?	[17:57]
BingoBoingo:	^	[17:57]
mircea_popescu:	might be entertaining.	[17:57]
asciilifeform:	right after i sue microshit	[17:58]
asciilifeform:	and monsanto	[17:58]
mircea_popescu:	up to you.	[17:58]
* BingoBoingo	got a speeding ticket earlier this month. In ~two weeks there is a hearing on motions and discovery	[17:58]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: usgistic 'memberships' ( and this case was no exception ) routinely contain a 'we can do WHATEVER the fuck we feel like, incl. throw you out by the ears' clause.	[18:00]
asciilifeform:	and 'arbitration clause'.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	does yours ?	[18:00]
asciilifeform:	'dun like it -- dun use'	[18:00]
asciilifeform:	sure did.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	arbitration is not necessarily bad.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	anmyway, on the strength of what you presented you got a few k's worth of go away money there.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu:	perhaps not worth picking up, your call.	[18:00]
BingoBoingo:	Anyways arbitration process is rarely an automatic "fuck you", have to pursue it	[18:03]
mircea_popescu:	there's no automatic fuck yous.	[18:03]
phf:	mircea_popescu: i actually think we had a thread. activity is either happening, and thus further cultivated (i.e. doers encouraged, talkers are shed, whatever the method), or else there's nothing happening at all. in a sense that you can't draw your pistol faster than your draw speed, so there's nothing really to worry about. i ~suspect~ that there's just no effective culling happening	[18:03]
BingoBoingo:	<mircea_popescu> there's no automatic fuck yous. << Penis in butt?	[18:04]
BingoBoingo:	Pantsuit party badge?	[18:04]
mircea_popescu:	gotta purse it!	[18:04]
mircea_popescu:	phf i perceive he's trying. doesn't know how is separate issue.	[18:04]
asciilifeform:	8-16 : 16:04 < kanzure> people are extremely bad at politics. it's off-topic. banhammerworthy.	[18:06]
asciilifeform:	16:04 < cluckj> technology is politics made concrete flees	[18:07]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i saw something similar re "philosophy". so let's ask again, you know, "Why is the FBI not focused on the soup"	[18:08]
mircea_popescu:	anyway. people are way the fuck worse at science than they are at politics and women ESPECIALLY so. but the general population sucking is not a reason to ignore the field.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu:	heck, people are terrifyingly bad at fucking, also.	[18:09]
kanzure:	it's reason to shut them up	[18:11]
mircea_popescu:	< kanzure> well who's at the top then << i am, aren't i.	[18:12]
phf:	asciilifeform: speaking of doing things with limited resources. fyi i'm in zeptobar slav land with an ivory chip.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu:	o hey.	[18:13]
asciilifeform:	phf: neato. fwiw my ivory-trading d00d seems to have cancelled	[18:14]
asciilifeform:	( might reappear )	[18:14]
shinohai:	Actual item from newsfeed: "How a leader can move forward without consensus"	[18:14]
mircea_popescu:	"fuck you guyse, you're going home" ?	[18:14]
shinohai:	That would have been how I wrote it	[18:14]
phf:	asciilifeform: he fucked up his scheduling, but afaik he's still comming to dc in november.	[18:15]
asciilifeform:	he mentioned something about a funeral. ( in 2 month from now ! i've nfi )	[18:15]
asciilifeform:	i'd still trade with him, moar ivories, merrier	[18:15]
asciilifeform:	( almost guarantee that i'll fry one when pinout finally materializes and it's time to plug'em in )	[18:15]
asciilifeform:	8-15 : 19:47 < kanzure> well it's 12178.3 MHz so... https://blockstream.com/satellite/satellite/#	[18:16]
asciilifeform:	ahahahahahaha	[18:16]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: wouldja like to defend this atrocity ?	[18:17]
phf:	my cousin asked me if i'm "into the whole bitcoin" thing, and mentioned that they now sell houses and stuff using btc. i said i heard about it..	[18:18]
asciilifeform:	phf: 'Собрал царь зверей всех животных в лесу на поляне и говорит: - Cегодня мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот маленький. Правильно ежик? - Даааааа-Даааааа! - сказал ежик. - А завтра мы будем трахать тех, у кого рот большой. Правильно бегемот? -	[18:19]
asciilifeform:	Ню-ню, - сказал бегемот '	[18:19]
kanzure:	why are you learning about that from me	[18:21]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: we had the thread here.	[18:21]
asciilifeform:	kanzure: but you did not condemn the idiocy, in linked text. so i gotta wonder.	[18:22]
phf:	the wisdom of this joke is lost on me. though past few days the joke that's on my mind the most is, the one about shtirlitz: borman i shtirlitz pyut vmeste. borman govorit, "shtirlitz, a ved vi yevrey!" "Net!" govorit shtirlitz "Ya russkii!!!"	[18:22]
asciilifeform:	phf: was in re 'have you any btc'	[18:22]
* mircea_popescu	just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu:	actually, why exclude.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu:	1`319`523 words in comments there.	[18:24]
phf:	(and in completely unrelated to anything lulz, i just discovered that the very first email in my email archive, june 2006 is an allegro lisp trial license)	[18:26]
mircea_popescu:	ha!	[18:26]
* asciilifeform	has older ones but of 0 possible interest	[18:26]
mircea_popescu:	my oldest emails are from the 90s, and were left behind with the 386 pine-running system that housed them. probably of interest, but not really to me.	[18:27]
asciilifeform:	8-7 : 05:59 < fenn> i'm still unsure whether diybio is real	[18:29]
asciilifeform:	06:00 < fenn> it would be great if it were	[18:29]
* asciilifeform	also thinks 'would be great if it were'	[18:29]
mircea_popescu:	hey, i'd be absolutely exstatic if the wetware computing progressed along while we're busy with the hardware ones.	[18:31]
asciilifeform:	!#s computers you can't program	[18:31]
a111:	8 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can%27t%20program	[18:31]
mircea_popescu:	so far the danger doesn't seem too great though.	[18:31]
asciilifeform:	^ oblig kreinin	[18:31]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform i was speaking metaphorically! you know, whatever bio-stuff.	[18:32]
asciilifeform:	aite. ( there's a still-appreciable population of folx who actually go in for 'wet computer' nonsense. )	[18:33]
asciilifeform:	in re 'amateur bio', in 1990s asciilifeform's brother worked with a d00d who spent his entire pay on surplus dna synths, various iron, liked to remark 'real programmers program lifeforms'. sum of this -- afaik -- was 0.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu:	certainly. but no, sometyhing, anything. "in the past nine years while the republic choked the remnants of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 we at the soviet biolabs have a) deployed ten thousand chips in the back yard resulting in three different bactins and have this microscope that spit out 10k gifs.	[18:35]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)	[18:35]
mircea_popescu:	something like that would already be great.	[18:35]
asciilifeform:	will remark, that microscopes ain't made of meat, either	[18:36]
asciilifeform:	and do not self-reproduce.	[18:36]
asciilifeform:	'junkyard wars' is a valid approach to technology in a decaying world, but has obvious limits.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu:	not a matter of reproduce. a matter of produce in the first place!	[18:36]
asciilifeform:	can 'produce' almost anything by... being at the right surplus auction.	[18:36]
asciilifeform:	the puzzler is how to produce it again.	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	( or repair. )	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	phuctor spits out a few broken keys each day. this accretes, because it's relatively cheaper to do it over time. good luck to anyone trying to replicate it TODAY.	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	let them have a microscope that produces something each day.	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	whoever walked off with dulap-I can prolly replicate..	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	also over time.	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	tru	[18:37]
mircea_popescu:	this is the important point here, be a fucking capitalist already, let time work for you. drop this nonsensical "oh, we can waste resources, inflation wiull make up for it anyway" nonsense.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu:	it very well fucking won't.	[18:38]
phf:	when bioware i'm always reminded of 1010 and his earth computer http://www.1010.co.uk/org/sketches.html (and similar attempts elsewhere on his site)	[18:40]
asciilifeform:	phf: d00d was a mad-genius	[18:41]
asciilifeform:	whatever happened to him...	[18:41]
mircea_popescu:	and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm.	[18:42]
phf:	judging by his output of workshops and performances (as opposed to cool hacks and circuits) i'm pretty sure he's just sitting on nodick grants at this point. what happened to all his kind in merkle europe	[18:42]
mircea_popescu:	phf it's the bologna system that fucked it. angela tard about as relevant as the captain of the titanic.	[18:43]
phf:	( previous thread http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17#1434999 )	[18:43]
a111:	Logged on 2016-03-17 02:50 asciilifeform: phf: i am long-time fan of howse.	[18:43]
shinohai:	mircea_popescu: I use olive oil to lite briquettes ..... always seems to work 1000% better	[18:44]
asciilifeform:	i made use of his work re sensitive amps. however must note that his original objective was.... listening to earth-devils, or sumthinglikeit	[18:44]
mircea_popescu:	oil also works yes.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu:	!#s "siliconpr0n.org"	[18:46]
a111:	4 results for "\"siliconpr0n.org\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22siliconpr0n.org%22	[18:46]
mircea_popescu:	how about that.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu:	dood did an early bfl cutup too. kanzure do you know him ?	[18:47]
phf:	i was half expecting to find an ivory there ^	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	ikr?	[18:49]
BingoBoingo:	<mircea_popescu> and randomly : if you like to barbecue (good for you) do me a favour and buy yourself a bottle of 98% alcohol to use instead of whatever petrochem crap you use for a starter, either that horrid plastic brick thing or else cancerliquid. tyvm. << Aluminum "chimney" and newspaper ftw	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	newspaper bad, various chems.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu:	both in ink and paper.	[18:49]
BingoBoingo:	Vintage newspaper, who's buying the new ones	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	lead.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	alcohol. pure, clean burn. do it.	[18:50]
BingoBoingo:	Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	sawdust prolly has glue.	[18:50]
BingoBoingo:	Glue from where?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	from the "recycled wood"	[18:50]
BingoBoingo:	What tree dropping limbs around me has glue?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu:	if selfmade then yes	[18:51]
BingoBoingo:	Chainsaw makes coarse enough sawdust to not fear explosion at sane collected amounts	[18:51]
* mircea_popescu	has never tried	[18:52]
BingoBoingo:	Eh, just assign it to a girl. "learn to chainsaw, report on the experience"	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.	[18:53]
kanzure:	mircea_popescu: siliconpr0n.org guy? met him in 2007.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	what's he doing these days ? wants to be part of macivory cutup efforts ?	[18:53]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Nah, that's from using arm powered saw. Chainsaw implies 2-stroke powerplant	[18:53]
mircea_popescu:	ah i guess there's that.	[18:54]
BingoBoingo:	And for most of chainsaw cut workpiece bears weight of saw	[18:54]
kanzure:	satellites	[18:55]
shinohai:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705873 <<< It's an honest-to-God sub-genre: https://www.xvideos.com/tags/amputee	[18:58]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 22:53 mircea_popescu: nah. ends up with butch arms, who wants that.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu:	in other news, #homecmos still exists.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu:	logger died sometime in 2014, but anyways.	[19:00]
BingoBoingo:	Of possible interest to kanzure, diy bio in the wild https://archive.is/kvQm1	[19:07]
kanzure:	1c8d50a5c99d0c65428e2e1da77430477be436d671ce8203a75ff4ae600ba85e thanks	[19:11]
mircea_popescu:	whassat ?	[19:11]
kanzure:	your transaction	[19:11]
mircea_popescu:	oh oh. sure.	[19:11]
deedbot:	http://deedbot.org/bundle-482547.txt	[19:20]
mircea_popescu:	< kanzure> what's the fastest microcritter and how fast would the travel have to be to keep up (including opencv delays)? << some spore shooting organisms do crazy shit like 20m/s speeds reached within a fraction of a second / the first milimeter of travel.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu:	!#s pilobolus	[19:23]
a111:	0 results for "pilobolus", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pilobolus	[19:23]
mircea_popescu:	well now there is.	[19:23]
kanzure:	there was a recent paper on ballistic weapons in microbes	[19:23]
mircea_popescu:	these are mostly faeces dwellers, have to shoot spores out of the way so animals still eat them.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu:	in other words : there's no safe assumptions in biology provided by biology, but only by physics. because selection will actually cover anything.	[19:24]
kanzure:	ttps://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html	[19:25]
kanzure:	https://phys.org/news/2017-04-capture-dinoflagellate-video-harpoons-prey.html	[19:25]
kanzure:	why can't i type urls right anymore	[19:26]
mircea_popescu:	did you wire your broken k to the h ?	[19:26]
kanzure:	i used a paperclip	[19:27]
mircea_popescu:	windows people.	[19:27]
kanzure:	the keyboard sucks anyway, there's like >10 ms delay between keypress recognition	[19:27]
mircea_popescu:	get one of alf's.	[19:28]
mircea_popescu:	solid steel items	[19:28]
BingoBoingo:	carved by C02 lazer from obsidian or something like that	[19:29]
mircea_popescu:	<@fenn> why is there no "hardware liberation front" that hacks peoples computers for driver documentation? << 2014.	[19:29]
deedbot:	http://qntra.net/2017/08/diy-biology-latest-fad-sweeping-the-republic/ << Qntra - DIY Biology Latest Fad Sweeping The Republic	[19:33]
mircea_popescu:	lmao	[19:33]
BingoBoingo:	Remember, the problem of Niggeropolis is that those bringing stones to the soup could ever imagine they are a polis https://archive.is/UXsO6	[19:33]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Well, it's news for a change. And by crossing 24 hour mark DIY Bio is a thing nao.	[19:34]
trinque:	!!unrate kanzure guess I'll see where this goes	[19:35]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: How's the weather? I heard the Army Corps of engineers dumped reservoir water into your flood waters	[19:36]
trinque:	!!v 45568436D388EB26648C2B3E0F80C665C4B11D01D34A49DF27073CF23C73A359	[19:36]
deedbot:	trinque unrated kanzure.	[19:36]
trinque:	BingoBoingo: yeah, couple of levees were going to pop couple did afaik	[19:36]
trinque:	I've got some decent pictures of the flooding	[19:36]
mircea_popescu:	o hey.	[19:37]
BingoBoingo:	Still king of your particular hill?	[19:37]
trinque:	picked a good hill, yep	[19:37]
BingoBoingo:	No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu:	in huston ?!	[19:37]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: Even with Texas, Houston is urban. Has urban populations.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu:	yes, but of texans.	[19:39]
kanzure:	trinque: mighty big of you, thanks.	[19:40]
BingoBoingo:	mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways Dallas area has a number of resettled Katrina refugees.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu:	this would be a good story you know, "the rain girl". take a super hot chick and cast her in a film about how wherever she goes it floods. badly.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu:	her bf dies... etc.	[19:41]
* BingoBoingo	wondering if nostalgia looting drive would overcome, "WTF we in Texas" reality	[19:41]
BingoBoingo:	IRL the rain girl's name is monique. She don't really care about her BF and half her baby dadies are in Louisiana's Angola penitentiary.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu:	heh	[19:43]
trinque:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705921 << most likely rockport will rebuild rockport, corpus, corpus	[19:43]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 23:37 BingoBoingo: No reparations ops like New Orleans had in Katrina?	[19:43]
trinque:	rednecks do that	[19:44]
BingoBoingo:	Trinque isn't washing away for the same reason I didn't wash away this spring or winter of 2015. White priviledge.	[19:44]
trinque:	houston meanwhile's fine for all the "ohmygurd unprecedented" in the pantsuit media, the bayou system worked flawlessly	[19:44]
mircea_popescu:	aha.	[19:44]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: "Reparations Ops" are that thing the ubran folk do in Baltimore and the cops did	[19:44]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: What is this bayou system, explain in a Qntra submission on how fake the fake news coverage of this rain drop pidder padder is.	[19:45]
trinque:	lemme get together some food then sure will.	[19:45]
trinque:	brb	[19:47]
BingoBoingo:	k	[19:47]
BingoBoingo:	ty	[19:47]
BingoBoingo:	!~ticker --market all	[19:53]
jhvh1:	BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4590.0, vol: 11832.82536188 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4598.9, vol: 32739.34915172 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 4593.15, vol: 5536.9975914 \| Volume-weighted last average: 4596.16297849	[19:53]
kanzure:	mircea_popescu: this may amuse you as well. i have been documenting every conversation i've ever had since 2009, sort of a personal CRM system. i used to do some basic graphing: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/meetlog/2009-10-01_to_2010-03-01.png	[19:55]
kanzure:	each conversation is documented with lots of tags and other data	[19:55]
mircea_popescu:	cool. why'd you stop ?	[19:56]
kanzure:	i haven't. just the graphs (that was one-off).	[20:00]
kanzure:	more embarrassingly, the data used to be public	[20:00]
mircea_popescu:	ic	[20:01]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, a very large portion of why the forum has such large snr is the reference system. it is not only the first level advantage, of reference. it has massive second order effects, such as it gets people to organzie their thoughts for it.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu:	which ius why your logs are full of "one sentence in five lines, three words to the line" myspacetardations whereas not here.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu:	Downloaded: 24981 files, 7.9G in 23m 57s (5.61 MB/s) << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705469	[20:09]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 20:21 phf is mildly curious is mp is doing his "once i found a thing, i read the whole archive" thing on 5gb or whatever it is of their log..	[20:09]
mircea_popescu:	!~calc 10987237 / 921344	[20:11]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: 10987237 / 921344 = 11.92522771082245	[20:11]
mircea_popescu:	in fairness 12 is not terrible anyway. avg line < 6 words is a great heuristic for "collection of monkeys and idiots"	[20:12]
kanzure:	i had only 8 GB of junk?	[20:22]
mircea_popescu:	(for the actuarially inclined : #trilema Apr 25 11:09:37 2012 - Sep 10 11:09:37 2016 averages 12.80 wpl henceforth 16.40 wpl.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure in the log dir.	[20:23]
kanzure:	grab this http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/	[20:23]
mircea_popescu:	what am i going to do with a bunch of pdfs.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, the bot auto archives all links put in channel.	[20:23]
kanzure:	but think about all the fun you're missing http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/diybio/	[20:24]
mircea_popescu:	with any luck asciilifeform will print them out. he does that.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu:	in other lulz, <@fenn> nobody ever got rich by not asking for money << i don't recall my ever asking anyone.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu:	to quote that old guy in casino, "it goes against the whole principle of the whole thing".	[20:34]
mircea_popescu:	<@fenn> guh. so i've been thinking about building a boat so i can just put all my stuff in the boat and live in the boat and sail wherever i want to go << check that out asciilifeform ! he may wanna go halvsies on orlol's tub ?	[20:42]
kanzure:	he started building a submarine	[20:43]
kanzure:	(the recent peter madsen stuff has been weird)	[20:43]
mircea_popescu:	how big ?	[20:44]
kanzure:	small. he is into small dwellings i guess. who knows.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure i thought it was ben lipkowitz. what peter madsen ?	[20:44]
kanzure:	i was talking about fenn yes, until i started mentioning peter madsen	[20:44]
mircea_popescu:	ah	[20:45]
kanzure:	peter madsen originally started copenhagen suborbitals, an amateur rocketry group he is notorious for building and operating a submarine in denmark, and within the past ~week for also murdering someone on his submarine (allegedly).	[20:45]
mircea_popescu:	anyway, small sub is problematic. there's this optimal size and domain limits for mechanical items. there's a smallest combustion engine, there's a smallest sub and so on.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu:	ah yeah saw that.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu:	aand there we go, ate a day of h++ logs.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704901 << no but... he has a point doesn't he.	[21:30]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:26 asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids	[21:30]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704921 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704721	[21:35]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 14:31 asciilifeform: i can't decide if this is more or less hilarious than gaseous food.	[21:35]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704926 << i was actually wondering about that. how exactly does it exist ? like, could i buy one ? is the bar of ontology here "i have a description of how it could be made" ? or "i have one in my kitchen and there's the lsit of how i made it" ? or "you can have one made for 20 bux, send here" ? or what ?	[21:41]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:27 kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?	[21:41]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704946 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628597	[21:43]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:51 kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes	[21:43]
a111:	Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romania building world's largest laser, 10 PW	[21:43]
kanzure:	yes but he said something like <1000 or whatever	[21:45]
kanzure:	re: the electroporator, it's a purchasable kit somewhere	[21:45]
mircea_popescu:	what do you mean somewhere	[21:45]
kanzure:	i have someone else handling his online ordering system	[21:46]
kanzure:	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/2LVPU_Dw5FE/Bby-M_ZYAwAJ	[21:46]
mircea_popescu:	well i dun google groups, but ... so i could order one ?	[21:46]
kanzure:	https://github.com/kanzure/culture_shock	[21:47]
kanzure:	hmm where did the link go	[21:48]
mircea_popescu:	so am i safe3 in assuming you never actually sold one ?	[21:48]
kanzure:	well last update i got is that we're still testing it, maybe he hasn't configured shopify what a shame	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	how long ago was that ?	[21:49]
kanzure:	a few weeks i don't care	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	you don't ?	[21:49]
kanzure:	are you one of those mouthbreathing micro managers	[21:49]
mircea_popescu:	no but so far the story here seems to be that the crowning achievement of a decade's effort is one item that happened a coupla weeks ago and you don't care about.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu:	this is a pretty weak story.	[21:50]
kanzure:	what gets to qualify as a corn achievement anyway?	[21:50]
mircea_popescu:	whatever you want.	[21:51]
kanzure:	hmm.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu:	this is how people evaluate you, neh ? "what did you do ?". how else ?	[21:51]
kanzure:	wpm?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu:	i'm sorry ?	[21:55]
kanzure:	words per minute. it's funny because i'm the fastest.	[21:55]
kanzure:	( http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/leaders.php )	[21:56]
mircea_popescu:	i thought the alt-tmsr you're trying to build was being discussed rather than your typing speed.	[21:57]
asciilifeform:	what is the flex cable doing in the electroporator ??	[21:59]
kanzure:	all questions to ##hplusroadmap thanks bye	[21:59]
asciilifeform:	and why is the design for item that simply charges a cap to known coloumb charge, and zaps a millilitre tube, moar voluminous than, e.g., that of FUCKGOATS..	[22:00]
asciilifeform:	why is 'micropython' needed in the micro	[22:00]
kanzure:	eh it also has some reprogrammable features for different waveform zapmagic	[22:00]
asciilifeform:	and for that matter..	[22:00]
asciilifeform:	why a micro at all	[22:00]
asciilifeform:	i had an analogue unit at nih, worked fine	[22:00]
asciilifeform:	why gild the lily?	[22:01]
kanzure:	gild the whatnow?	[22:01]
asciilifeform:	не культурный.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu:	!~tr ru to en не культурный	[22:03]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu:	!~translate ru to en не культурный	[22:03]
jhvh1:	mircea_popescu: Non-cultural	[22:03]
mircea_popescu:	kanzure "to gild the lilly", to attempt an expensive artisanal process to improve an item which is naturally unsurpassable.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu:	sort-of like designer babies, come to think of it.	[22:04]
asciilifeform:	from the groups link ( 2016!! ) : 'OK, so will you help me promote it with twitter, instagram, snap chat videos when the time comes?'	[22:04]
asciilifeform:	mircea_popescu: non cultured	[22:05]
mircea_popescu:	i've yet to meet a technical mind that understood promotion. (worship is not understanding)	[22:05]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform no i know, i just thought it'll payoff in lulz. it did.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu:	asciilifeform come to think about it, i'm not so sure it's a lilly. different zap properties may prove interesting.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704960 << this is true, and yes pretty shocking.	[22:15]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:54 asciilifeform: ~all large industrial cutting laser -- tube, still.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu:	but yes, the underwater cities not here yet either!	[22:15]
kanzure:	how did you get from submarine to city?	[22:19]
mircea_popescu:	no relation.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704965 << it's probable, though.	[22:21]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:56 kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704966 << fwif not my reading of the situation.	[22:21]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:57 asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc	[22:21]
mircea_popescu:	dude trying to figure out being male the strategy doth involve a little twisting of items around. no big deal, the items can take it.	[22:22]
kanzure:	i must have missed that one from alf	[22:22]
trinque:	it's the sideways californian variant of the twisting that grates	[22:25]
trinque:	incidentally it occurred to me today that the accent in austin is shifting due to the years-long cali colonization	[22:26]
mircea_popescu:	i can see that.	[22:26]
mircea_popescu:	then again, the space of possibilities is vast. and we're pretty divergent.	[22:27]
trinque:	sure	[22:27]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704969 << this is actually an interesting q. why are you in there kanzure ? the unexamined impression that "talent" or somesuch ?	[22:30]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 15:58 asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?	[22:30]
kanzure:	uh holding on to some vague amount of optimism that you're just full of shit about goallessness	[22:31]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704978 << i suspect you misunderstood something. which line was this ?	[22:31]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 16:02 kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given	[22:31]
kanzure:	i thought i quoted it later. keep reading.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu:	aite	[22:32]
mircea_popescu:	why btw ?> what'd my being fulla shit re goallessness do ?	[22:34]
kanzure:	i don't know why you are surprised or confused about any of this. you don't do this kind of butt sniffing? it's what dogs do.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu:	um.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705010 << moebius.	[22:43]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 16:16 kanzure: infinite floor space is located right next to my mobious strip	[22:43]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705038 <<< well obviously, that's the fucking point... i manage more of what people usualoly call results through NOT having goals than they ever do through having them.	[22:45]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 16:26 trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes	[22:45]
mircea_popescu:	this is supposed to be noticed by the more mentally active amongst them.	[22:46]
mircea_popescu:	at least once the butthurt over having wasted a decade washes away.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705019 << this is just bad translation i can readily prove this by pointing out that if nato changed meaning so would your "goal". you're just pursuing some causes is all.	[22:47]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 16:23 asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705053 << btw, cheap and obvious error correction : do once then rotate 90 degrees do again. then reconcile. is this used irl ?	[22:51]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 16:32 asciilifeform: understand what even 0.00001% ocr error rate means in re ic layout ?	[22:51]
BingoBoingo:	Bio hacking horror story, with butch arms https://archive.is/2e3go	[23:02]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705091 << pretty much everyone here is fluent in multiple languages. and, just like not being monetarily poor, not being linguistically poor is an imperative for the civilised man. so no, it's not acceptable to not speak languages anymore than it's acceptable to eat frozen dinners.	[23:03]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 17:03 kanzure: illiteracy does not seem to be a serious concern around here	[23:03]
mircea_popescu:	http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705103 << that convo doesn't support your interpretation.	[23:04]
a111:	Logged on 2017-08-29 18:12 kanzure: BingoBoingo: re: random, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704384	[23:04]
kanzure:	illiteracy was regarding my inability to read and write	[23:04]
kanzure:	typing quickly is comparatively a lesser concern	[23:05]
mircea_popescu:	right.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu:	why are you monolingual anyway	[23:05]
* mircea_popescu	is hoping he's not about to hear "because nobody told me before it's unseemly"	[23:05]
kanzure:	i pretend to read many languages, does that count?	[23:05]
mircea_popescu:	no, pretense does not count.	[23:06]
kanzure:	then i'll claim crappy peers	[23:06]
mircea_popescu:	that's unfortunate.	[23:06]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: So what's the quick spiel on how to use the other channel to turn into an augmented superman. Preferably by next week.	[23:12]
kanzure:	that's a rather fast timeline	[23:13]
kanzure:	i suggest using it to source anabolic steroids	[23:13]
kanzure:	but your timeline is still unreasonably short	[23:14]
mircea_popescu:	lol bb in roid rage. that should be some lulz.	[23:14]
kanzure:	a lot of the roid rage fearmongering is just general anti-anger wishful thinking	[23:15]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: So what really is the selling point of hplus if it can't beat Trenbolone?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu:	people gotta have a home...	[23:17]
BingoBoingo:	Still, if gene therapy is going to be a thing it has to start beating incumbents.	[23:17]
kanzure:	have you guys laughed at the bioviva stuff yet?	[23:18]
BingoBoingo:	This is why Tesla is a golf cart maker	[23:18]
kanzure:	she wanted like $80M from me "but not for treatments"	[23:18]
kanzure:	(i mean her term sheet was garbage)	[23:19]
BingoBoingo:	Car needs to have range, and not take an eternity to refuel.	[23:21]
BingoBoingo:	Similarly what does modafinil and other non-amphetamine nootropics have going for them?	[23:21]
kanzure:	my definition of a viable nootropic is one that helps enough to make a better nootropic. so basically they are all garbage.	[23:22]
BingoBoingo:	Anyway why focus on longevity? Why not focus on solutions like cocaine that allow for more living per year?	[23:22]
kanzure:	trenbolone is longevity now?	[23:23]
kanzure:	and do you mean cocaine resistance? why would you inflict that on someone?	[23:23]
BingoBoingo:	No! I mean cocaine and trenbolone are drugs that allow people to experience more living in a year.	[23:24]
BingoBoingo:	As opposed to living longer.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo:	Because who needs to be 90 anyways? We already had Seneca	[23:25]
kanzure:	ah you want hedonistic imperative https://www.hedweb.com/	[23:25]
kanzure:	https://www.hedweb.com/hedethic/tabconhi.htm	[23:25]
BingoBoingo:	Nah, living is distinct from hedonism	[23:27]
BingoBoingo:	kanzure: See http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1685925	[23:28]
a111:	Logged on 2017-07-18 05:35 BingoBoingo predicts trend of pantsuit boy CEO's getting into this sort of artificial masculinity and calling it "biohacking"	[23:28]
BingoBoingo:	Conservation follows from there	[23:29]
kanzure:	happened a looong time ago. ever since "bullet proof coffee" and even before that. really awful history.	[23:30]
kanzure:	"Anyways, it doesn't actually do magic swole imparting without at least some exercise" not according to some studies. i mean it depends on how magic you're looking for.	[23:31]
BingoBoingo:	Well, gotta exercise off the rage?	[23:41]
kanzure:	what? surely not.	[23:49]
kanzure:	http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bodybuilding/The%20effects%20of%20supraphysiologic%20doses%20of%20testosterone%20on%20muscle%20size%20and%20strength%20in%20normal%20men.pdf	[23:50]
* BingoBoingo	discussion Trenbolone, not testosterone.	[23:53]
BingoBoingo:	See https://archive.is/arv0s	[23:57]

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