Forum logs for 29 Apr 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: lobbes: cool [00:09]
mircea_popescu: << it is avoidable as a matter of fact. i have by now built an item that is too complex to fit in my head. i call it $harem for convenience, but it's a set of girls who do things on the basis of rules which they were at some point in their girly youth illo tempore been beaten / screamed at for. [00:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:28 Framedragger: << at the risk of committing a slippery slope / false equivocation / something, orly? is this not unavoidable sometimes. i do realise "b-b-t muh kernel! is not a good answer [00:19]
mircea_popescu: the whole "don't fuck up or i'll beat you" mechanism exists ~specifically because~ the whole array doesnt fit in my (or anyone's) head. [00:20]
mircea_popescu: the saving grace is that they ~very much do not want to~ be bad. machines don't care. [00:21]
mircea_popescu: but this phenomenon exists whereby girl ends up in trouble for reasons which, upon later examination, turn out to not actually exist. that the whole thing was actually a misunderstanding is proof positive the entire system fits in no one's head : not in mine, who misunderstood what was going on, not in the girls herself, who, confronted with the misunderstanding, failed to identify what to say to dispel it. [00:23]
mircea_popescu: it's true that the failure is never (at least to date) permanent, but that dun seem dispositive. [00:24]
mircea_popescu: (the foregoing is also, if you're following the score, the principal argument of liberals (who, in practice, often end up very radical right wing, individual rights people) against the death penalty : since it is at least in principle possible that the whole thing was a misunderstanding, it is infinitely better to put the guilty in stocks in the basement than to throw them from a moving airplane. the later's reviewable.) [00:26]
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean the latter's not reviewable. [00:27]
mircea_popescu: << what, SOWF ? snakeoil-or-whatever framework ? bwahaha [00:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:42 ben_vulpes: good crypto lib name [00:36]
mircea_popescu: << this is very much the land of cool birds. [00:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:16 shinohai is obsessed with birds [00:44]
mircea_popescu: << i know this is nonsense the moment it fails to correctly identify hippy-ism/hipsterism as the principal authoritarian ideology left. [00:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:19 pete_dushenski: in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a [00:44]
mircea_popescu: "liberal political views" are actually out and out fascism (which is different from nazism). compare and contrast "everything is connected man" karmauniverseblabla with [00:46]
mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.") [00:46]
mircea_popescu: << "ego dissolution" requires stuff like you know, being too lazy to be able to maintain one / too dumb to even want to have one. works fine but on the idle byproducts of comfortable white man's sexual practices. [00:49]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:21 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this was the hope, when usg tried to package lsd as an artillery payload. 'ego dissolution'. didn't pan out. [00:49]
mircea_popescu: << no, actually. ~black chick wanted to know if my penis is really big i told her it's normal. she later saw it and her comment was "oh that's not normal!!1" (her english is approximative. other girl chuckled at the implicationz.) [00:51]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:25 asciilifeform: it worx great done in same clinic where they paint you black to lengthen cock [00:51]
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding the flattering aspects -- my cock is actually quite normal. the theory whereby black dudes have huge cocks is ~false. [00:52]
mircea_popescu: (the principal driver for large penii is female sluttery there is no such thing as "the naiton of africa" and there's black or ~black people living from brazil to india. there's no homogenity of female sluttery in everyone's history and so...) [00:54]
mircea_popescu: << the principal problem with this "multivariate regression" bs-chasing is that desirable traits almost never correlate with marginal traits. it may be true that intelligent (more to the point, "successful"-juju) people are ~taller than~ average population. however, the outer edges of tallness will not contain the outer edges of good-juju, and vice-versa. to make the point practical, [00:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:26 pete_dushenski: something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos [00:56]
mircea_popescu: i bet you that, to use your numbers, the 6"5 cohort in your study composes a lesser section of "the ceos" than the 6"4 cohort. [00:56]
mircea_popescu: you can verify this sort of anti-property directly every time someone publishes one of these bs studies and actually forgets to scrub all the data. [00:57]
mircea_popescu: << come to think of it, this is rather remarkable a quote, enacting as it is teh republic as the ~only antifa available. "for the individual against the state and for the state only inasmuch as it identifies with the individual" [01:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 04:46 mircea_popescu: ("Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State, which is the conscience and universal will of man in his historical existence.") [01:01]
mircea_popescu: << bwahaha. apparently it occurs to no-one that by the time merit washing requires them "seasoned cryptographers" and "security researchers" BY THE ROOMFULL, and anonymously, the actual value of either symbol isn't very much anymore nor can be. [01:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:30 asciilifeform: 'It is the most advanced and secure instant messaging protocol to date. This is why the designers got an award in front of a conference full of seasoned cryptographers and security engineers a week back for improving Real World Cryptography. ' << from turd in earlier thread. that thing is ~bottomless lulzmine. [01:03]
mircea_popescu: << but SuCcEsS alfie!!! succes!!! what do these faces have in common!!11 [01:04]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:31 asciilifeform: 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura. [01:04]
mircea_popescu: << one way out of making it fixed time is to always do pairs. correctly construct the pairs and only return once both computed. [01:07]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:49 asciilifeform: ( best mod exp algo i've found appears to be 'montgomery's ladder', but i am not convinced that it can be made fixed-time ) [01:07]
mircea_popescu: in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo. [01:08]
mircea_popescu: << you missed out the roomful of ~, evidently. they pass these things out there, with the rubber chicken. [01:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 23:50 phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow [01:09]
mircea_popescu: << from my own ethnological surveys, anglo "intellectual" has books in house as chick trap and little more. they tend to be confined to one or three shelves well placed in the party room, sort-of like mantlepieces of yore. [01:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:03 phf: vaguely related, all these papers that cite subj. i'm sure all these people have a copy in their private collection (the one they referenced when writing!!1), that they don't share out of copyright considerations and the respect for great scientist [01:11]
mircea_popescu: "look, i can afford fire, pretty young thing! dare be naked, you won't freeze here!" [01:11]
asciilifeform: << hatetobreakit: an algo where you can do this (e.g. the egyptian mult in my example) IS a fixtime algo. that's what they are.. [01:12]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 05:08 mircea_popescu: in some cases it may be worth it to do twice the work on non-fixed-time algo than to actually fixtime the algo. [01:12]
mircea_popescu: aww. [01:13]
asciilifeform: ( observe, the adder cycles every time, 'needed' or no) [01:13]
mircea_popescu: << in other lelz. [01:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:05 mats: << similarly, did amd mole get a red star for 'f00f' bug? ) [01:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform I WAS HAVING FUN! [01:13]
asciilifeform: lolk i'ma back to sleep [01:14]
mircea_popescu: i keep putting these small charge footmines in the logs you dutifully scoop them up. [01:14]
mircea_popescu: << that ~is~ lulzy. [01:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 00:33 asciilifeform: linus, involved, iirc. never mentions it today. [01:16]
mircea_popescu: you'd expect respectable people involved in something either publish post mortem or aren't very respectable going forward. [01:16]
mircea_popescu: << did "overflow" end up unable to be 0 by those declarations ? [01:20]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 01:25 asciilifeform: actually this is a 'classy' bug, turns out [01:20]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1501...6913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [01:21]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1726...7397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( DE) [01:21]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whart's the difference between auto_ptr and unique_ptr, dja know ? [01:56]
mircea_popescu: "Unlike TCP, the service mesh has a significant goal beyond “just make it work”: it provides a uniform, application-wide point for introducing visibility and control into the application runtime." [03:06]
mircea_popescu: dude, what the fuck is with the bullshit. "we made a tcp on top of tcp because we're bored at "work" and hurr." [03:06]
mircea_popescu: "The explicit goal of the service mesh is to move service communication out of the realm of the invisible, implied infrastructure, and into the role of a first-class member of the ecosystem—where it can be monitored, managed and controlled." << alternatively, you could read a fucking book. motherfucking chukas. [03:07]
mircea_popescu: o wait, and the whole thing is actually copy for this "linkerd" piece of shit "" is hawking. [03:09]
mircea_popescu: fucking hell. [03:09]
mircea_popescu: and of course no way to leave a comment on the "announcing linkerd 1.0" follow-up piece. but i could "share this post on hacker news". [03:11]
mircea_popescu: too bad i wanted to leave them a "drop fucking dead, bunch of illiterate monkeys" [03:11]
mircea_popescu: "Instead, the effort that could have been spent on securing the system was spent on public relations. The firm claimed that the attack could work only on our own copy of Fortress (in fact, it could work with any copy at all because it deduced the key from the data on the disk)." << from kochanski's (ancient) piece on comedy of commercial encryption software. the shamans still falling into same pits today, of course, as seen [03:18]
mircea_popescu: in say [03:18]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 16:26 mircea_popescu: !~google [03:18]
mircea_popescu: of course, any fiat paper must include its "hail party" lines, and so "In retrospect this time marks a turning point in the history of cryptology. No longer would products compete on claimed "better algorithms" than their opposition. It became in everyone's interest to focus on published algorithms whose design principles were well known. Cryptographic products found other areas to compete in (speed, features, ease of use) an [03:20]
mircea_popescu: d because cryptology is now a respectable academic discipline, the benefits of publishing a successful attack on a cryptosystem far outweigh the dubious benefits of keeping that attack secret and using it for some kind of fraud. In this area, at least, cryptology has grown up." [03:20]
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly clear : the ONLY use of a successful attack on a cryptosystem is to attack real world deployments. publishing is particularly a worthless (and stupid) endeavour, because it gives a lazy and entitled "public" something for free that it shouldn't have even for pay. [03:21]
mircea_popescu: no, break the thing, steal the shit, blame nsa. the gutting of the socialist empire must proceed apace. [03:22]
mircea_popescu: there is no "cryptology" field. nothing grew up. [03:22]
mircea_popescu: and findally, yes "products" no "longer" compete on algos but on puffery. this is not because of anything than laziness, intellectual and otherwise, on the part of everyone involved. similarily, "psychic healers" also do not compete on healing but on distance, having the phonelines open 24/7 and other points of ~convenience~. [03:23]
mircea_popescu: aaand in not-really-news : avalance in retezat (romanian mountain) killed a few kids that were european and world record holders in mountain-related items. ro "our democracy" media railing about how the trainer (also father of one of the victims) "forced his two daughters to break record after record while training in EXTREME CONDITIONS!!!1 ONLY TO SATISFY HIS OWN EGOTISM!!1111" [08:43]
mircea_popescu: needless to say there's not been a ro gymnast worth the spittle in a while. i wonder why. i also wonder ie you know, "where is the new zealand socrates". [08:45]
mircea_popescu: they were probably eaten by successful white men!!1 [08:45]
diana_coman: from what I read it was more that they were idiots on the day ignoring the weather forecast and making a poor decision on the spot re path to take [08:55]
mircea_popescu: ex post facto-isms. where were these experts prior to the event ? [08:56]
mircea_popescu: from experience, every time something blows up i can produce for the benefit of the slavegirl in whose hands it did blow up a list of what minor precautions she could have taken. [08:56]
diana_coman: they were there [08:56]
diana_coman: there was another group who were pro and told them even to take a different route [08:57]
diana_coman: they helped them afterwards too [08:57]
mircea_popescu: mmm [08:57]
diana_coman: let me fish that out I suppose [08:57]
* mircea_popescu didn't follow the details all too close. sure. [08:57]
mircea_popescu: in other news, me finally stumbled on ( BenBE being ) [09:04]
mircea_popescu: << in better mouse traps. [09:07]
shinohai: ^ pay attention alf [09:08]
mircea_popescu: it conceivably could work for squirrels [09:08]
shinohai: coat that pb with birdseed .... those little fuckers eat ALL my goddamned birdseed I put out. [09:09]
mircea_popescu: << hitler revival circuit. [09:10]
diana_coman: the mountain guide guy did not write his account in any sane place of course, but anyways: [09:20]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ^ [09:20]
mircea_popescu: shinohai if he manages to capture the lot he could not only skin 'em and make himself a hat + bathingsuit for girl combo, but also could make squirrel stu. [09:20]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah they are pretty weird with that huh. /me reads [09:20]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman apparently the greenhorns stand accused of having actually ~caused~ the avalanche that claimed the experts ? [09:22]
diana_coman: uhm, do you mean the mountain guide was the greenhorn? [09:25]
mircea_popescu: yes, i do. [09:25]
diana_coman: then that's what I read there too that they were accused of that, yes I don't know about the accusation as such though [09:26]
mircea_popescu: things like "there's no gsm signal therefore survival chances are minimal" tend to give him away. seeing how you know, gsm, our democracy and his assorted ineptitudes were invented slightly after retezat stood there. [09:26]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman let's consider this : late april, you can go lower or higher. if you're competent you take your pick, if you are not competent and so can't follow the competent YOU DO NOT GO. you don't fucking go anyway, relying on your group numbers, and then of fucking course if you bigfoot about HIGHER than the other guys end up... causing an avalanche. [09:27]
diana_coman: thing is: you are competent, right? and meet the big group who TELL you they are going on the higher route so then? [09:28]
mircea_popescu: tell them to get the fuck off your mountain. [09:28]
mircea_popescu: in a sane society, at least. [09:28]
diana_coman: eh, sure they didn't tell them that, nor did they take into account the reality basically [09:29]
diana_coman: so dunno how competent is that [09:29]
mircea_popescu: because no, random dork who's read all the tedx and reddit on the topic and intends to follow it by the letter is not thereby qualified to have an opinion on things and matters. which is what this catalin ioan berenghi schmuck strikes me as. [09:29]
diana_coman: oh, there are here those dorks but they SHOULD NOT be here therefore we just..ignore them [09:29]
diana_coman: is that competence now. [09:29]
diana_coman: ? [09:29]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yes, and this is exactly my greater point here : competent people don't understand how to defend themselves from the tedx crowd, and don't. they're, basically speaking, dodo birds. [09:29]
mircea_popescu: and if society in general doesn't understand this either, in short order you'll find yourself wondering where the dodo bird went. [09:30]
diana_coman: I fail to see how is that competence, really [09:30]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it's technical competence, not politicval competence. [09:30]
mircea_popescu: that's the problem, in nucet. [09:30]
diana_coman: oh, they were competent STRICTLY at climbing a mountain provided the mountain is in the lab in the void [09:30]
mircea_popescu: yup. [09:30]
diana_coman: bullshit [09:30]
mircea_popescu: you know, like jwz. or like teh people on #bitcoin-assets pre dragon call. [09:30]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bullshit, yes. but this is a factual description of the world. you're gonna ignore it now ? [09:31]
Framedragger: << heh [09:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 13:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, me finally stumbled on ( BenBE being ) [09:31]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 14:01 Framedragger check later, looks cool [09:31]
diana_coman: I get the not-political thing I am more on the technical side myself, but there is some limit to what can be called competence [09:31]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha, saw it in logsearch. [09:31]
Framedragger: ah, kk. i didn't spot the phuctor downloader back then [09:31]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, good try, you know? I'm not ignoring anything I'm simply saying that no, someone is NOT competent if they die when they try to do their thing in the real world [09:32]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman in principle, sure. so far as the matter stands, one man trained a bunch of record holders and the other man went around retezat in large groups. how the fuck even dare he take 51 persons over there ? [09:32]
mircea_popescu: you ever seen a group that large who wasn't 105% douchebag by mass ? [09:32]
diana_coman: no, I do NOT go where such groups go, lolz [09:32]
diana_coman: and I don't claim competence in mountaineering or whatevers [09:33]
mircea_popescu: how about such groups don't go where you go, instrad. fucking sheep already. "guides" pshew. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: well me either, but what can you do. [09:33]
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : retezat is a hard mountain, dozen-ish groups are about the largest that can be sanely managed. to ensure things such as you know, NOT STARTING AVALANCHES) [09:33]
mircea_popescu: << pretty though. [09:34]
Framedragger: wow. that'll do [09:39]
mircea_popescu: hm ? [09:44]
Framedragger: the mountain looks quite grand and avalanchy. [10:01]
* shinohai imagines mircea_popescu at top practicing yodeling with slave girls in dirndls [10:04]
mircea_popescu: a yeah. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: it's not even the drop per se. it's very rocky, it'll crack your skull wide open in a 20 foot fall. [10:24]
mircea_popescu: from what i can see what happened here, also./ [10:24]
mircea_popescu: shinohai nah, my days of mountain walking were over just about the time girls started to interest. [10:25]
shinohai: <<< New way to `rack up` support for Putin? [10:26]
mircea_popescu: lel. pretty surte they were doing this years ago9 also [10:26]
shinohai: Trump, pay attention for next campaign. [10:27]
mircea_popescu: eh, hes not running again. [10:28]
BingoBoingo: It's hard to say. Depends on what pantsuit party does. [13:26]
mircea_popescu: the notion that it'll still exist by 2020 is a little dubious. [13:32]
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: in , s/fait/fiat/ [13:32]
Framedragger: unless... hm! "fait" could mean "done" in french (sth like that?), and so the "fait banking partners" could mean done-for? :D [13:33]
mircea_popescu: pantsuit party is a very volatile hodge podge of single issue fascists ("gender rights", "Ecologists", radical black activists, some latino weirdos etc) and multi-issue socialists that used to masquerade as "market oriented liberal capitalists" (the dudes who keep pushing the "science" narrative etc) and are now about as confused wrt their identity as dude trying to wear a suit on wall street by day and suck cock on knees in [13:33]
mircea_popescu: bar alleys by night. [13:33]
mircea_popescu: which is ~exactly representative an image, as it happens. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: there was no way to keep this pile of cats and octopi herded even should clinton have won. [13:34]
mircea_popescu: republican party has not this peroblem at all : the trump side is 30yos who want to curb stomp faggots, pussies and people from SV the remainder is people over 70. nature resolves that problem all by itself. [13:36]
* BingoBoingo working on recap of first hundred days of 8 year trumpreich [13:46]
mircea_popescu: promising [13:48]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1668...4503 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( AR) [14:12]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1748...4807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( AR) [14:12]
pete_dushenski: lobbes: done. thx for making it easy! confirm that all's as intended when you have a chance. [14:49]
pete_dushenski: !Qcalc 2+2 [14:49]
lobbesbot: pete_dushenski: 4 [14:49]
pete_dushenski: o hey it works here too. /me goes to edit table [14:49]
lobbes: << "Nothin Found" O-o [14:49]
lobbes: aha: [14:50]
pete_dushenski: ya, the redirect from the old url to the new one isn't working for some reason. should work tho. [14:51]
lobbes: sweet though. looks good! [14:51]
lobbes: thanks again :) [14:51]
pete_dushenski: cheers :) [14:51]
shinohai: ty pete_dushenski o/ [14:52]
pete_dushenski: yw [14:53]
* pete_dushenski to go dress us like a penguin and vibrate his vocal chords like a good little church boy. laters! [14:55]
shinohai: btw pete_dushenski Bram Cohen immediately blocked me upon (I assume) reading that post ) [14:55]
mircea_popescu: that'll show you!\ [14:56]
BingoBoingo: In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues [15:21]
mircea_popescu: what is that thing again ? [15:22]
BingoBoingo: The chinese verision of "back to Budda" conservative religious movement. Kinda somewhere between the Southern Baptists and the Mormons, but my eastern religions map is not adequately calibrated anologize it precisely [15:25]
mircea_popescu: oh the verboten right right i recall. [15:26]
BingoBoingo: Calls for elmination of the pervert's Communist Party of China and does outreach through dance troupes and pretty girls [15:28]
mircea_popescu: aha. [15:29]
BingoBoingo: Also the Dalai Lama is the historical anti-Christ [15:29]
BingoBoingo: So maybe a touch of Jehova's Witness in their theologisty [15:29]
BingoBoingo: And their tagline to the alt-right is China could be "Great Again"(TM)(R) if only we dumped the commies and opium [15:31]
mircea_popescu: except china has never in its history been this great. [15:32]
BingoBoingo: but it could be AGAIN!!! [15:33]
mircea_popescu: oic. [15:34]
BingoBoingo: It's a sufficiently lulzy religion that I must research deeper. [15:36]
mircea_popescu: lol godspeed! [15:38]
BingoBoingo: LOL [15:40]
asciilifeform: << loathesome dissiderp scum [15:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-29 19:21 BingoBoingo: In other news pro-Falun Gong paid advertorials are popping up in alt-right venues [15:48]
BingoBoingo: loathesome does not always preclude lulzy [15:49]
asciilifeform: we have'em here, in their cult outfits, dourly waving photos of cn executioners, supposedly disassembling similar derps for organs [15:50]
mircea_popescu: what'd you have them do ? [15:51]
asciilifeform: die? [15:51]
BingoBoingo: The only thing that matters is "Are their girls pretty and well behaved?" [15:51]
asciilifeform: 'mr bond, we expect you to die!' (tm)(r) [15:51]
mircea_popescu: lolk [15:52]
asciilifeform: entirely, afaik, typical 'colour revolutionaries' . [15:53]
mats: the 'bodies exhibit' is, even now, plagued by persistent rumors like that [15:56]
mats: 'they use corpses of executed chinese political prisoners!' [15:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they want to be part of the great beyond / "our" democracy! [15:57]
mircea_popescu: death cults are death cults, what. [15:57]
asciilifeform: not only 'be', but to drag the whole 1.5bn-strong middlekingdom, along for the ride. [15:59]
mircea_popescu: hey, it'd validate them! [15:59]
BingoBoingo: Death cults sell. Step 1 Death Cult with fambly values, Step 2 Don't actually die so much ??? Profit [16:01]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Koran sells a death cult too [16:02]
mats: most of the west's exported culture is death cult [16:03]
mats: obsession with zombies, alien attacks, replacement by replicants (Bladerunner, Battlestar Galactica), ... [16:04]
asciilifeform: mats: forget bladerunnner. mcfood is what if not deathcult. [16:04]
Framedragger: i still say 'fuck you cisco' for pitching (and later selling) customised surveillance infrastructure to china by saying that its shit can "combat ‘Falun Gong’ evil religion and other hostiles" (sic) [16:05]
asciilifeform: mcfood, mchouse, mcjob, mclife makes good ol' death look pretty good in contrast. [16:05]
Framedragger: not sure if falun gong really had done much at that point. but cisco wiretapping was used to track 'em down and kill 'em [16:05]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: possibly the one meritorious thing cisco ever did, if true. [16:06]
Framedragger: ( &c, for posterity) [16:06]
* Framedragger not a fan [16:06]
mats: i'd be surprised if any tech corp in us does not comply with CALEA [16:07]
mats: anyone exporting tech, then, is guilty of the same [16:07]
Framedragger: saw 'em in seoul, too. "meh", let them be, no? [16:08]
mats: anyone manufacturing comms equipment, anyway [16:09]
mats: cisco's not special in that way, just particularly visible [16:09]
BingoBoingo: Anyways this cult seems to have realized the leftists humanitatians care more for spreading Aids in Africa and would rather cozy up to Trump [16:10]
Framedragger: mats: sure, sure. but it's *particularly* in-your-face when you're pitching and saying "we can track X down so you can er lawfully take care of em" [16:10]
mats: the honesty would be refreshing, but i see no mention of falun gong in that lin [16:13]
mats: k [16:13]
Framedragger: it should be under 'golden shield' section [16:14]
Framedragger: page 57 [16:16]
Framedragger: it quotes some statement official or w/e, but is there [16:16]
BingoBoingo: Oh, they have a newspaper [16:22]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, they were trying to spread teh nsa goodword! [16:29]
Framedragger: myeah :) [16:32]
mircea_popescu: mats "calea" is a domestic item. [16:37]
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo [16:58]
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded. [16:58]
deedbot: << Qntra - First One Hundred Days Of The Eight Year Trumpreich: A Recap [17:07]
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai [17:13]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo all in all the first hundred aren't as much of a lulz shower as the first dozen seemed to imply huh. [17:13]
BingoBoingo: Not really. Not between the pantsuit judges and the realization that Congress is a bunch of welfare queens. [17:14]
mircea_popescu: hey, representatives. [17:15]
BingoBoingo: 2018 primary season will probably brings substantial lulz [17:15]
BingoBoingo: And the presumptive leader of Pantsuit to challenge Trump in 2020 is likely to be Elizabeth 'Pocahontas' Warren [17:21]
deedbot: << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend(TM)(R): Antbleed, The Persistence of Winklevii, etc [17:22]
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo ^.^ [17:23]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger basically what you're saying is that you disapprove of fiat pseudolaw being applied, when obviously the republic is the only sovereign. which, yes, is not a controversial point. [17:41]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [17:44]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1336.2, vol: 4311.64673412 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1294.778, vol: 4373.37827 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1425.7, vol: 10131.89493401 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1128.878, vol: 5009.08220000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1333.0, vol: 2237.88542074 | Volume-weighted last average: 1323.9223361 [17:44]
mircea_popescu: reading those "volume" figures is such a lulz in and of itself. [17:45]
mircea_popescu: really, bitfinex has a nonzero volume ? truly, btcchina deals in bitcoin now ? will miracles never cease ? [17:45]
danielpbarron: !~calc 93746*0.00000001*1336.2 [17:46]
jhvh1: danielpbarron: 93746*0.00000001*1336.2 = 1.252634052 [17:46]
danielpbarron: samovar index is up to 1 buck 25! [17:46]
mircea_popescu: lel [18:12]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah i guess it's just a specific case of a general meh-thing [18:43]
asciilifeform: in other noose, [19:07]
mircea_popescu: ooook ? [19:20]
asciilifeform: entomological interest. [19:20]
Framedragger: terp zone? moar like twerp zone hueheuhue [19:23]
mircea_popescu: i actually kinda prefer women's lavatories. [19:28]
asciilifeform: turns out usg heard mircea_popescu . and decided to abolish'em entirely !! [19:29]
mircea_popescu: aww. [19:30]
asciilifeform: the local... i hesitate to call'em 'restaurants' -- are also phasing'em out. [19:30]
mircea_popescu: so no more pissing in the best reich ? [19:31]
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing etimologies or what was it, apparently uppity tortilla (who was living independently for incomprehensible reasons) set his apartment on fire, and other than being kicked out is being prosecuted by a bunch of people who claim he owes them money (again). [19:32]
asciilifeform: all piss in same pissual. [19:32]
mircea_popescu: women can do this ? [19:34]
shinohai: Well since you brought it up mircea_popescu: [19:53]
mircea_popescu: yeah, they keep trying to make girl cocks. [22:59]
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