Forum logs for 28 Mar 2018
| hanbot: | "$ make vpatch gprbuild -Pvpatch.gpr make: gprbuild: Command not found make: *** [vpatch] Error 127" << is this https://www.jamf.com/jamf-nation/discussions/17322/problems-with-good-scripts-failing-exit-code-127 then? | [00:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | ugh. | [01:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's certainly the "things work" thing. | [01:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | hanbot anyway, are you using jam/ftjam or what's the connection ? leftover build process from eulora basically ? | [01:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | (bash) error 127 just means the command's not found in your path. | [01:05] |
| hanbot: | i haven't put together anything special for ada yet. what was that supposed to be, install gnat (which ?)? | [01:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm pretty sure diana_coman has a holy gnat incarnation somewhere, part of the eucrypt writeup. | [01:07] |
| hanbot: | phf listen, i failed to anticipate my build environment being incapable of making yer patcher. wouldja mind sharing how you put together what you compiled your keccak vpatch with? | [01:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other ancient t-lulz asciilifeform might've missed, http://trilema.com/2011/bai-deci-m-am-indragostit-de-un-barbat/ | [01:26] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, if it's an ada project, you don't need make, just go "gprbuild" in its dir | [02:52] |
| diana_coman: | (it'll even figure out which .gpr you mean if it's only one) | [02:53] |
| diana_coman: | obv you need gnat see here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ | [02:53] |
| diana_coman: | (I mirrored the gnat I recommend too, given previous experience with everything pretty much) | [02:53] |
| jurov: | mod6: ben_vulpes: invoice paid | [03:26] |
| * asciilifeform | bought his tickets to BingoBoingostan | [11:24] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Welcome | [11:32] |
| mod6: | jurov: Excellent, thank you! | [12:09] |
| BingoBoingo: | Hollywood whistleblower Corey Feldman maybe stabbed? https://archive.is/CLM2L | [12:36] |
| mod6: | heh | [12:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | with a pencildick or ? | [12:41] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well, during the 1980's | [12:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | Charlie Sheen's and maybe Martin's too | [12:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [13:03] |
| hanbot: | <diana_coman> obv you need gnat see here: http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ << thanks for the pointer --looks like relevant gnat & shasum 404 though? | [13:25] |
| diana_coman: | hanbot, try it now wp messed up the link, gah | [13:28] |
| hanbot: | yeah, dling nao, thanks | [13:31] |
| mod6: | How's it goin today all? | [13:57] |
| * mod6 | feels much better after a nasty round of food poisoning | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ow | [14:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | seafood ? | [14:02] |
| mod6: | naw, eggs :/ | [14:05] |
| mod6: | (i speculate) | [14:05] |
| mod6: | it /is/ possible that it could have been some ahi tuna from the day previous. but no one else who ate it got sick. | [14:05] |
| mod6: | so, maybe? | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | nah, not over a day like that. | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | eggs can totally do it though. | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other unrelated not-news, "gun crazy" is a terrible "film". just thought nobody'd like to know. | [14:28] |
| lobbes: | !!pay-invoice ben_vulpes 1 | [15:05] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/G0aZK/?raw=true | [15:05] |
| lobbes: | !!v 4D9E62426F146A1493B9C37CD1076860ACF3BB9A0286332F3948EF9CE8AB661F | [15:05] |
| deedbot: | lobbes paid ben_vulpes invoice 1 | [15:06] |
| mod6: | <+mircea_popescu> eggs can totally do it though. << yeah, I think you're probably right. i was fine until about 3-4 hours after breakfast. | [15:06] |
| mod6: | btw, I enjoyed the pics from the eagle (falcon) post. how majestic was that 'eh? | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | you know ? | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | bird was there for a good half hour, trying to figure out how to best extract the quarry, it was something else. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | they got grace! | [15:09] |
| mod6: | it's pretty fortunate to see such a thing! | [15:10] |
| mod6: | was kinda jelly. | [15:10] |
| mod6: | diana_coman: thanks for your careful reading of the Pizarro Feb statement, the error has been corrected, I believe. | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | like two-three meters out on the balcony, you know... at first i thought it's swooping in for my dick. | [15:11] |
| mod6: | i'd be scared too. | [15:11] |
| mod6: | lol | [15:11] |
| mod6: | "oh shit, it thinks my schlong is a snake! take cover!" | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [15:17] |
| mod6: | The size of the claws on that thing tho! | [15:18] |
| hanbot: | phf : installed gnat with diana_coman's help vpatch.gpr looks alright (maybe? http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LwAtx/?raw=true), but vdiff.gpr won't build for me: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yS82H/?raw=true | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | mktemp is dangerous ? | [15:19] |
| mod6: | huh, well that's news to me -- I was prodded to use that in the latest version of my vtron. I'll have to look into that. Not that my thing is related to hanbot's problem. | [15:22] |
| mod6: | oh this is all C call related stuff. | [15:23] |
| mod6: | I might be in over my head, phf, enlighten us when you have a moment plz. | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking idiots put it in the linker, but NEVER INCLUDED ANY DISCUSSION of why the fuck. | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | let's just make idle pointless strongly worded warnings to maintain the general state of pantsuit mindset!@!1 | [15:27] |
| mod6: | smh. im gonna take a few minutes here and try to build phf's thing. will report back in a bit. | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, whole issue seems to be that mktemp could "guess" a file that's about to be created by root and wipe it. | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | funnily enuff, if working rng were standard on pc, 128bits from it would give unique-gensym ( the supposed problem , according to the gcc nitwits, with mktemp , is collision ) without O(N) searching ( as in mkstemp) with probability ~1 | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | hanbot, mircea_popescu , et al : observe in phf's http://btcbase.org/patches/vtools-vpatch/tree/vtools/vdiff.gpr , he did not forbid the linking of libc into the library ( as i did in http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch1_genesis/tree/ffa/libffa/ffa.gpr#L46 ) . apparently this worx on some gnat, but on hanbot's -- barfs | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yes and yeah! | [15:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | i am thinking this is actually something that needs changing in vdiff and being made a general rule. | [15:36] |
| asciilifeform: | which this | [15:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "forbid linking libc" | [15:38] |
| asciilifeform: | we still dun have a gnat-for-pc that shits out a binary ~wholly~ without libc ( although ave1 iirc is working on one and is quite close ) . but hanbot's issue is that libc got linked ~into the lib~ which results in attempting to link with 2 copies of libc (1 goes into the main) . | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | and also, this isn't so much hanbot's gnat, but really the copy diana_coman 's maintaining that's for all intents and purposes the candidate for standardization. | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least until/unless ave1 publishes a superseder. | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | right | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | but anyway, yes, "forbid linking libc ~in libraries~". | [15:42] |
| asciilifeform: | ( even superceder, should really be a vpatch on diana_coman's artifact imho ) | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | if feasible, ideally, yeah. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, the pile of ad-hoc name systems in legacy unix is starting to get on my heads. PATH, really ? amnd then "use mkdtemp" and fucking hell already | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | gns, when. | [15:43] |
| phf: | these kind of flags are set by ~xml~ files inside gnat's gprbuild support files, so there can be a general patch on gnat to do the right thing | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | o hey you're right aren't you. | [15:43] |
| phf: | the issue was already reported by someone else, but at the time the suggested fix was to put a bunch of C level annotations (some combination of static inlines), which i didn't think was an adequate solution, given that i don't understand why it does or doesn't work. but ascii's explanation makes sense, though i can't reproduce the issue on any of the machines i have with adacore's gnat (freebsd, osx, debian) | [15:45] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i also was unable to reproduce. but i have not yet switched to the exact 'candidate gnat' in question. | [15:46] |
| asciilifeform: | but in principle the answer seen in my gpr, is the pill. no libc in libs, it makes for duped linkage. (incidentally just as barfy in a c/cpp proggy as in gnat) | [15:47] |
| phf: | i'm not sure it's the correct solution then, i thought you reproduced. xn* is defined by differ itself in xalloc.c, so it might have something to do with multiple includes and specific combination of static/inlines | [15:48] |
| asciilifeform: | it's a libc function | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | and does. not. belong. in. a. library | [15:49] |
| * asciilifeform | looks again | [15:49] |
| * phf | shakes head. | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hmm | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ha, ~xnmalloc~, not xmalloc | [15:51] |
| asciilifeform: | strike my observation, then, it is entirely wrong. | [15:51] |
| phf: | spyked actually fixed it before, http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-01-mar-2018#2411846 unfortunately i don't understand the problem/solution, http://archive.is/w6W7P i think originally difftools had some conditional #define there | [15:53] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-01 13:52 spyked: anyway, comment was that I managed to compile and run vdiff with small mods error: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BiBTI/?raw=true and fix patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9mOiz/?raw=true (tested this with the generated vdiff) I can try to link this reply later in a comment to test. | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i dunno that it's entirely wrong "don't link libc if you're making a library" is right! | [15:55] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it is a correct pill but not the culprit in hanbot's case : phf however just nao found the actual culprit | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | possibru | [15:57] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: inline + extern would have also worked | [15:58] |
| phf: | https://www.gnu.org/software/gnulib/manual/html_node/extern-inline.html is specific issue | [15:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ | [15:58] |
| phf: | this gnulib solution actually wants you to define FOO_INLINE, which is set to "inline" when defined, and "extern inline" when used, so you can't even avoid the #define hackery with "extern inline". "Other non-C99 compilers use static inline so they suffer from code bloat, but they are not mainline platforms and will die out eventually." | [16:02] |
| phf: | hmpf | [16:04] |
| spyked: | there is another (non-)solution: #define bla(arg1,arg2) { code_to_be_inlined } while(0) results in no duplicate function definitions, but also no type checking is performed on the args, so no warnings etc. quite the ugly. | [16:07] |
| phf: | "Making a function an inline function suggests that calls to the function be as fast as possible. The extent to which such suggestions are effective is implementation-defined." | [16:12] |
| phf: | in other words, it's either static inline or the #define { ...} while(0) trick, because extern inline/inline doesn't make any guarantees. i think it'll be adequately tmsr solution to just moved those definitions into own functions and not worry about "speed" | [16:14] |
| phf: | spyked: if you sign your patch, i can include it in the vtools graph, a "collaborative" experience :) | [16:17] |
| spyked: | sure! one sec. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is pretty terrible altogether. ave1 you got a moment ? how close is alf's "quite close" ? | [16:18] |
| phf: | in this case the issue is the "legacy" diff code, removing autotools scaffolding means having to track down these kind of portability issues, that appear exclusively around "optimized" code. ada core is its own, separate can of worms | [16:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. but taki8ng out libc ALTOGETHER seems very appealing right now | [16:23] |
| phf: | yes. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | that "warning" utterly offends me, if it wasn't obvious. | [16:23] |
| asciilifeform: | libc has been musting-die for many many yrs. | [16:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | then doods walk in here with "oh, rms gotta be respekted for his contribution" | [16:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | dudes take glibc and fucking shove it. | [16:24] |
| phf: | yeah, that warning made me patch and recompile libc 10 years ago, might've been one of the first excursions into pre-tmsr rage holes | [16:24] |
| asciilifeform: | even a musl gnat would be considerable improvement. | [16:24] |
| phf: | there's a bunch of others, around i think gets/getc, brk/sbrk, etc. | [16:25] |
| asciilifeform: | heapless proggies dun even need brk/sbrk. | [16:26] |
| phf: | i think brk/sbrk is a reasonable alternative to malloc, since it makes a claim on a certain amount of processes's address space, without allocator's bookkeeping, that you then can use for heterogenous purposes. it's a dynamic alternative to having something like a static int heap[HEAP_SIZE] in your code. | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | every malloc i know of is implemented on top of sbrk | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | so 'alternative' is not exactly right word imho | [16:33] |
| asciilifeform: | but yes on linux the only 2 ways to get moar memory than the loader loaded you with, is sbrk and mmap | [16:34] |
| phf: | well, it's an alternative methodology. malloc keeps track of allocation chains, defragmentation etc. | [16:34] |
| mod6: | Ok, so I have replication : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/YPdvz/?raw=true | [16:34] |
| mod6: | So there are a few things that I probably should ask about, as it wasn't wholly clear to me about the pressing side of things. Since there are multiple roots, and multiple leaves, there are two different press paths. Now, maybe I'm not supposed to have all of these in there?? But it looked to me from the thread at phf's site, that I needed to have them all. | [16:35] |
| mod6: | But what I ended up doing is pressing to leaf 'vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc.vpatch' into 'vtools', and pressing to leaf 'vtools-vpatch.vpatch' into 'vtools_2'. I went into vtools_2, and found the similar problems as hanbot. | [16:37] |
| phf: | mod6: pressing to different tails should produce alternative builds without any conflicts. but the issue has been discovered, and it requires a patch. spyked originally found both the problem and the solution | [16:37] |
| mod6: | yup, ok. but as far as my "V" usage, was this correct? | [16:38] |
| mod6: | (the new rules in my V99993 do not allow for pressing to multiple leaves, so just was curious to what the blessed press path (required vpatches) was to get these) | [16:38] |
| phf: | mod6: yes | [16:38] |
| mod6: | ok. gotcha. | [16:39] |
| phf: | maintaining two separate builds in the same patch tree is sort of experimental, and i'm happy that it seems to work out of the box | [16:39] |
| mod6: | ah, i see. | [16:39] |
| mod6: | for what its worth, at the bottom of my paste, i've denoted that im using gcc 4.9.4 and adacore 16 | [16:40] |
| mod6: | which is the only version i've been able to stand up that seems to work 100% with ffa. | [16:41] |
| mod6: | (which is why i chose this particular environment to build your vtools upon) | [16:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up xanthyos | [16:41] |
| deedbot: | xanthyos voiced for 30 minutes. | [16:41] |
| phf: | hmm, i wonder if adacore's gprbuild uses its own gcc or global one | [16:41] |
| mod6: | if there's a way to check, let me know, be happy to paste you the results. | [16:42] |
| xanthyos: | mircea_popescu: dpb just said he'd give me free btc if i had enough presence in the wot to be able to !up myself | [16:47] |
| mod6: | wow, can i get the same deal dpb? | [16:48] |
| xanthyos: | i installed gpg software on this machine when he knew full well i wouldnt 'be able to do anything with it | [16:48] |
| xanthyos: | danielpbarron: 18GC2RatxcABtidXksR6ry5E6hvBkgzf2t | [16:49] |
| mod6: | well, read some docs, make a key, register it. then up yourself. 1 BTC is a hefty prize! | [16:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | good for you. | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | he has a key | [16:49] |
| xanthyos: | not a full coin | [16:49] |
| xanthyos: | some btc | [16:49] |
| mod6: | ah | [16:49] |
| danielpbarron: | his rep in the WoT is not enough to voice | [16:49] |
| xanthyos: | yeah mircea_popescu dpb told you to tell you he did this | [16:50] |
| xanthyos: | told me to tell you* | [16:50] |
| xanthyos: | we're in voice chat right now | [16:50] |
| xanthyos: | https://discord.gg/j7TNPqk | [16:50] |
| spyked: | my v-fu really leaves to be desired. so: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-28#1790147 <-- patch: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/patches/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch and seal: http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/v/seals/vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc.vpatch.spyked.sig --> so I based those on vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc (parent of vdiff_keccak in http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools ) and while the patch verifies, it doesn't show up in my | [17:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-28 20:37 phf: mod6: pressing to different tails should produce alternative builds without any conflicts. but the issue has been discovered, and it requires a patch. spyked originally found both the problem and the solution | [17:08] |
| spyked: | v.pl flow. not sure how to debug this yet, but I can take a look at it tomorrow | [17:08] |
| spyked: | (also, I had to redo the patch anyway, since I initially used the keccak vdiff but I'm pretty sure this should be a child of vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc, since the hashes for vtools/lib/xalloc.h match) | [17:10] |
| * mod6 | looks | [17:17] |
| spyked: | thanks mod6. I wonder if it's one of those cases that spawned the discussion which led to the idea of a manifest file. in any case, it looks like the patch above (vdiff_lib_xalloc_static_xnmalloc) can have multiple children. | [17:34] |
| trinque: | sure, antecedents are per-file, so if you want to have one line of history, gotta have a file that is the line. | [17:35] |
| trinque: | my thinking on the thing is that it's as simple as each patch introducing a new line in HISTORY that matches the patch's name. | [17:37] |
| mod6: | spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gUr8Y/?raw=true | [17:43] |
| mod6: | so here's the deal, your vpatch & sig do verify by hand, so that part is fine. the problem lies in the fact with all of phf's vpatches in your 'patches' directory, your vpatch tries to come from two separate antecedents. | [17:44] |
| mod6: | This is not ok. And is rejected. I simply removed the two vpatches that are not required for the latter path (see the paste above where i simply pressed 'vtools_2', the second press-path) then your vpatch is included to the flow no problem. | [17:45] |
| spyked: | hm. I understand the specific problem with my vpatch set now. I'll reread the whole discussion to make sure I've wrapped my head around this. | [17:50] |
| mod6: | ok, cool. | [17:50] |
| spyked: | so the idea is to keep either vtools_genesis -> vtools_vdiff_sha -> vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc or vtools_genesis -> vdiff_fixes_newline_gcc -> ... patches, but not both at the same time. because in this case v.pl will see that my patch has two antecedents and will reject it. | [17:52] |
| * spyked | bbl, will replicate the output in the morning | [17:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | <xanthyos> we're in voice chat right now << How has your injury recovered? | [17:58] |
| * asciilifeform | utterly fails to grasp the appeal of 'voice chats', esp. as commonly implemented ( i.e. on closed shitware ) | [18:01] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/03/ecuador-cuts-communications-from-assange-as-brits-go-on-tilt/ << Qntra - Ecuador Cuts Communications From Assange As Brits Go On Tilt | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | achtung any and all phpists : plox to see thread in #pizarro | [19:54] |
| ben_vulpes: | asciilifeform: perhaps give the good readers a place at which to start? | [20:01] |
| asciilifeform: | tip of the log, ben_vulpes | [20:01] |
| asciilifeform: | and up. | [20:01] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl, food | [20:04] |
| douchebag: | ben_vulpes: Alright, I pretty much give up at pwning deedbot | [20:15] |
| douchebag: | The only thing I managed to find w/ it is getting permavoiced | [20:16] |
| douchebag: | Oh wait, wrong person I meant to tell trinque | [20:17] |
| trinque: | hm interesting, how permavoiced? | [20:18] |
| douchebag: | Easy, get voiced and change nick | [20:18] |
| douchebag: | so that when the 30 minute timer is up it downs a non existent nick | [20:19] |
| trinque: | hm yeah, I could chase all that, but then some human operator will see it happen and take care of it. | [20:19] |
| douchebag: | Yeah it's very minor | [20:19] |
| trinque: | as things stand, the thing's quite stateless, which is nice. | [20:19] |
| douchebag: | Well, I'm a man of my word | [20:19] |
| douchebag: | So I'll take you up on that offer | [20:19] |
| trinque: | s/quite/nearly/ | [20:19] |
| douchebag: | Now, I'm not going to completely abadon the web app related stuff - mainly because that's my primary source of income at the moment. However, I am open to trying new things to improve myself. | [20:21] |
| trinque: | great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog. | [20:21] |
| douchebag: | Alright | [20:22] |
| douchebag: | trinque: One thing I was wondering though in regards to deedbot, the RSS feed which library are you using for XML parsing? | [20:32] |
| douchebag: | I've been having a lot of fun with XML parsers lately, last night I reported a vulnerability to a mail provider. They didn't allow use of SYSTEM or DTD's however since Entities were being processed I could have knocked the whole service offline using a billion laughs attack | [20:36] |
| douchebag: | s/processed/parsed | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform they're rank nonsense, "how to take a 95% productivity hit by everything taking longer and using a blocking channel" | [21:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag demonstrate this permavoice thing ? | [21:07] |
| douchebag: | sure, can you devoice me and then revoice me | [21:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!down douchebag | [21:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up douchebag | [21:08] |
| deedbot: | douchebag voiced for 30 minutes. | [21:08] |
| douchebagg: | there | [21:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the idea is that in half an hour it devoices douchebagg and then ? | [21:09] |
| douchebagg: | it will devoice douchebag | [21:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite let it run. | [21:09] |
| douchebagg: | but nobody is using that nick | [21:09] |
| douchebagg: | see? | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha. | [21:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | funny shit, took what, 2 years before anyone figured it out ? | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!pay douchebag 0.01 | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | there, have a cent buy a hooker. | [21:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | mmm da fuck is this then | [21:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque does he need rep in order for me to be able to pay him or is deedbot mothballed because of the failed down or am i butterfingering the format again or wut. | [21:51] |
| phf: | well, deedbot is talking in private and the command is correct, so douchebag probably needs rep for this to work. | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk tsk | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag get someone to rate you an' remind me to send you teh cent. | [21:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf don't you wish this shit existed when we were 15 ? | [21:55] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Could you just send it to an address I provide? | [21:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i could but i'm not gonna. | [21:56] |
| douchebag: | ah | [21:56] |
| douchebag: | Is there anything else I could do in exchange for BTC? | [21:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | well there was http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-29#320886 | [21:58] |
| mimisbrunnr: | Logged on 2018-03-29 00:13 trinque: great. I'd like you to review the dependencies of trb (which were frozen at particular versions) for known public exploits, and to publish a report of this on your own mpwp blog. | [21:58] |
| douchebag: | I'm actually on that right now | [21:59] |
| douchebag: | building trb right now, I'm on the very last step | [21:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool deal. | [22:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | once we get this design document together there'll also be the task to build a client for eulora, and in general, stuff pops up all the time. | [22:00] |
| phf: | i was frankly hoping this bug would be discovered not as part of security audit, but somebody actually attempted to circumvent voice model for personal reasons. a worthy troll sort of deal.. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | you could be flying to uruguay if these curmudgeons trusted you enough to touch their priceless gear and so on. | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | phf imo this counts. | [22:01] |
| douchebag: | Alright, I don't know if I'd be any help with eulora - I'm not a gamer and I've never done any game development | [22:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag this'd be mostly systems engineering but anyway, give it some time. | [22:02] |
| douchebag: | But yeah, me and the woman are going to be travelling Europe in two months so I'm willing to do whatever extra work I can to earn some cash for our trip | [22:02] |
| mircea_popescu: | have you seen http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ? | [22:04] |
| douchebag: | Haha, yes. She would never do that though | [22:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | aite. | [22:05] |
| trinque: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790233 << power outage in houston, actually. hold please. | [22:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-29 01:50 mircea_popescu: mmm da fuck is this then | [22:08] |
| trinque: | lights are back on now | [22:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | no rush. | [22:08] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-29#1790217 << i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but nope : not blocking. and i set up a simple experiment to show. 1) put 161.0.121.247 kremvax in yer /etc/hosts . 2 ) wget http://kremvax/nosuchlabs_FG_1024MB_phreesample.bin -- on as many simult. connections (can be, but does not have to be, on separate ip ) as you like. | [22:10] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-03-29 01:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're rank nonsense, "how to take a 95% productivity hit by everything taking longer and using a blocking channel" | [22:10] |
| asciilifeform: | it isn't even detectably slow. | [22:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i was discussing the "live chat" | [22:10] |
| asciilifeform: | aaaaaaa | [22:10] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [22:10] |
| asciilifeform: | damn, sorry | [22:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | speech is blocking, that's the fucking problem, i can't write while you're talking. | [22:10] |
| * asciilifeform | feels like compleet idjit nao, lol | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | kinda why anyone that's any good at anything to do with the written word will WRITE rather than speak and why oral culture is such an africanism, and so on. | [22:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [22:11] |
| asciilifeform: | i was convinced that mircea_popescu was picking at the tcp socket handoff !11 lol!! | [22:11] |
| asciilifeform: | at any rate this was not a waste, nao anyone can verify that richard stevens did not lie in his 'sockets' backbreaker, and $item actually worx... | [22:12] |
| * mircea_popescu | believes. | [22:12] |
| trinque: | alrighty, wallet is online. mains was not just down, but cycling on and off for a bit. woman and I went a-pulling plugs. | [22:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque i will swear to you, getting a regulator + generator is utterly worth it if your property is worth > 100k. they're not expensive, and the list of emergencies / situations in which they are useful is lengthy. | [22:13] |
| asciilifeform: | bonus, if you have an isolator you then no longer leak bitz into the mains | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | one of teh few home improvements that actually improve resale value. | [22:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( does not even need to be a stationary, grand edifice, mine is the size of a typical fulltower comp and serves an entire room ) | [22:14] |
| trinque: | probably will purchase when I head for the woods for now living in a downtown beehive | [22:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, not really practical in condos etc. | [22:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | (of course -- those should have their own, but let's not get ahead of ourselves, orcistan still has problem with bridges staying up, what sane condo development) | [22:15] |
| * asciilifeform | has seen condos with petrol gensets on balcony. but this admittedly is not quite mircea_popescu-grade | [22:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform and i've been invited to gringo retiree grand party with asado on balcony. dork actually had stuffed a grill thing in there. | [22:17] |
| asciilifeform: | hey at least it aint the afghani indoor cooking fires on nth floor flat described by naggum... | [22:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess. | [22:18] |
| asciilifeform: | phunphakt : 1) ~all gringostan office hellholes have gensets. but: 2) completely pointless, they are installed by usg decree and only connect to... the lift (horrors!11, someone could be stuck in a lift for an hour) | [22:18] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Suppose I find some females who would be willing to write the code on her tits | [22:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform you don't understand. zek confronting his existence without distraction for an hour => shooting rampage. | [22:19] |
| douchebag: | How do you want me to go about this? | [22:19] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: that's the closest thing to an explanatory hypothesis i've ever heard for this | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag click the links in the article, plenty of irc examples but may i suggest if you do find them you take THEM to europe instead ? | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | at least, that's the heuristic i'd use. | [22:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform rampaging zek costs millions in insurance claims. worth it. | [22:20] |
| asciilifeform: | 'The lights must never go out, / The music must always play, / Lest we should see where we are, / Lost in a haunted wood, / Children afraid of the night / Who have never been happy or good.' (tm)(r) | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [22:21] |
| douchebag: | I could definitely find women to do it, but I guess what I'm asking is could I just send the photo here? Do you want them to come in here and chat, what's the deal? | [22:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | dude... http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-24#893306 | [22:22] |
| a111: | Logged on 2014-10-24 17:12 mircea_popescu: write 0bc8870d, take a pic, post link. | [22:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's a dozen example. chick shows up, gets her link, it's a process. | [22:23] |
| douchebag: | Alright, that's what I thought I just wanted to make sure | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | inb4 he's gonna try and game it and end up actually whacked. | [22:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque so should i redo ? | [22:32] |
| trinque: | yep, everything's back up | [22:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!pay douchebag 0.01 | [22:34] |
| deedbot: | Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/AA39b/?raw=true | [22:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IWhr8/?raw=true | [22:35] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 1s | [22:36] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: Will I be alerted when the funds are transferred | [22:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | douchebag i think not but !!ledger tomorrow or whatever. | [22:41] |
| douchebag: | Okay it shows in my balance | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | cool. | [22:45] |
| douchebag: | I did !!withdraw 0.01 btcaddress | [22:45] |
| douchebag: | How long does it usually take? | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, a few hours ? | [22:45] |
| trinque: | takes till I do it, since it's a manual process | [22:46] |
| douchebag: | forsure | [22:46] |
| douchebag: | trinque: So I decrypted the OTP - Do I have to send a command afterwards? | [22:47] |
| douchebag: | to prove I decrypted the otp | [22:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, you !!v the string it gave you | [22:47] |
| douchebag: | Awesome - thanks | [22:47] |
| trinque: | aaand I have a printout | [22:48] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lqRJF/?raw=true | [22:50] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: You've done a fair amount of travelling I assume, correct? | [22:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes. | [22:50] |
| douchebag: | Where are some places you would suggest? | [22:51] |
| douchebag: | We're starting off with Poland | [22:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | well... what are you looking for ? | [22:51] |
| douchebag: | Just to visit interesting places with a lot of history | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | if you're looking for pussy, budapest and the czech republic. maybe latvia. if you're looking for skiing, the german alps. if you're looking ... on it goes neh. | [22:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | are you backpacking basically ? | [22:53] |
| douchebag: | I'll only be bringing my laptop, my clothes, hygeine supplies, and paperwork | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then most of eastern europe works for you, it's cheaper and it's generally got more history than the west. except for carcasonne or something. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, go to belgrade see the kalemegdan. belgrade can keep one occupied for months, it's a nice town. | [22:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | or else, poland is full of castles and ancient sleepy little towns. so is all of rhutenia, really (east germany, west ukraine, etc) | [22:55] |
| douchebag: | Yeah I think we're going to have a great time. I was immediately on board when I found out how cheap flights are over there | [22:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | most of eastern europe can actually be ~walked~, as per ye olde "church steeple within day's ride." | [22:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | and yes, something like ny to washington is <50 euros in yurp. | [22:57] |
| douchebag: | Any advice you'd give to someone who's travelling for the first time? The farthest I have ever travelled was from IL to TN | [22:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | don't worry about it. | [22:59] |
| douchebag: | Yeah I'm not too worried - I think it's going to be a lot of fun | [23:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | i expect. well, my other advice is don't take anywhere any girl who's not comfortable naked in public, but i dun wanna mix in others' affairs, so. | [23:00] |
| douchebag: | I'm looking forward to seeing the castles and whatnot, she's visited Poland before and loved it | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, plenty still standing. definitely worth the time. | [23:01] |
| phf: | i'd stop by karlovy vary for some hot springs, also i'm quite fond of tallinn as far as that whole medieval vibe | [23:05] |
| douchebag: | Yeah I think that's pretty amazing how there still churches and castles standing that are close to a thousand years old | [23:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | actually there's roman fortifications throughout southern europe, 2k years old. | [23:06] |
| douchebag: | I'm sure that's quite the experience to visit these places | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | city i grew up in, had this chunk of roman fortification still standing 3-4 stories high right downtown. | [23:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | europe, you know. | [23:08] |
| douchebag: | Anyone ever visit Austria? She said she had a great time when she visited there | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [23:08] |
| douchebag: | Anything in particular you'd reccomend checking out there? | [23:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | vienna lol. seriously, you can spend years just dealing with vienna. | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | also friedrick's follies in bavaria, not very far. and in general... the only lacking element is time. | [23:09] |
| douchebag: | Oh yeah she was in Vienna when she was there, she mentioned that people aren't allowed to live in cities besides vienna without permission or something along those lines | [23:10] |
| douchebag: | Not too sure what the deal is with that | [23:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | never heard of it. | [23:12] |
| douchebag: | Me neither, I tried looking it up but didn't really find anything. I could have misunderstood | [23:13] |
| douchebag: | Any places you've enjoyed outside of Europe? | [23:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | you mean like, costa rica ? | [23:18] |
| douchebag: | Yes | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. egypt is pretty cool, but not really for the beginner. | [23:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | southern mexico also. | [23:19] |
| douchebag: | Yeah I have a friend who was living in southern mexico for awhile, he said he loved it and he was living in a penthouse for dirt cheap | [23:22] |
| douchebag: | mircea_popescu: I know someone who is willing to show tits, but she doesn't want to include face | [23:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | weird. | [23:29] |
| douchebag: | If you're cool with that let me know, otherwise I suppose I'll try talking her into it | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | not cool with it. the whole point is for girls to take this opportunity and fix their heads. | [23:34] |
| douchebag: | I think I convinced her | [23:34] |
| douchebag: | Just takes a little persuasion sometimes, haha | [23:35] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up Entropy_ | [23:39] |
| deedbot: | Entropy_ voiced for 30 minutes. | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!up la | [23:42] |
| deedbot: | la voiced for 30 minutes. | [23:42] |
| douchebag: | la is the female | [23:43] |
| douchebag: | Explain what to do | [23:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh come on. | [23:43] |
| trinque: | lol this kid | [23:44] |
| douchebag: | hm? | [23:45] |
| douchebag: | I'll help her get her gpg keys and stuff setup | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | la hello ? | [23:46] |
| la: | hello | [23:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | how goes ? | [23:47] |
| la: | all well and swell | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | you here for teh http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ i take it ? | [23:47] |
| la: | is this like actually real? | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | in a manner of speaking. | [23:48] |
| douchebag: | !!help | [23:48] |
| deedbot: | http://deedbot.org/help.html | [23:48] |
| la: | !!register -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Comment: User-ID: LALALA <LALALA@fakemail.com> Comment: Created: 3/28/2018 10:44 PM Comment: Type: 2048-bit RSA (secret key available) Comment: Usage: Signing, Encryption, Certifying User-IDs Comment: Fingerprint: 741311C4CD2C31823CD5E41EE677AA7C19F99541 mQENBFq8YSkBCAC8PPWEbi10oYLKZ0x+3kvwZvlzzRyzXArdedKx5jRUgu/VACja Dq5+bGlT7zjISt1eOmAVuraQuGnwlfitigiiE92A4CNclFjw2J0SIM+BXpcFXFbF rev0f0 | [23:49] |
| deedbot: | Provide a paste URL to the ascii-armored GPG public key or the full 40 character key fingerprint without spaces or dashes. | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol | [23:49] |
| douchebag: | noo | [23:49] |
| douchebag: | you paste the url | [23:49] |
| la: | oop | [23:49] |
| la: | !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JRWUF/?raw=true | [23:49] |
| deedbot: | 741311C4CD2C31823CD5E41EE677AA7C19F99541 registered as la. | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | that went quickly enough. | [23:49] |
| la: | what code should I write | [23:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | la dja have a link to a profile somewhere or anything ? | [23:51] |
| la: | you mean social media? | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | did you read that article at all ? | [23:52] |
| la: | https://i.imgur.com/CaH10VB.jpg | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao. | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | "Has previously posted nudie selfshots on the web. You will be required to prove this by supplying a link." << that part. in http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#selection-37.0-37.105 | [23:54] |
| la: | ok | [23:54] |
| la: | uhh | [23:55] |
| la: | I've sent nudes on discord I guesss | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | what, is it your first time ? | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | eh, mkay what the hell. here : 2f9d4475 | [23:55] |
| la: | first time this public | [23:55] |
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