Forum logs for 27 Jan 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, perhaps re clocks though I keep thinking that the cheap ones were as clocks as current smartphones are computers [04:16]
diana_coman: Mocky_, congrats I guess. [04:17]
mircea_popescu: well, for a long time the movements in cheap and expensive clocks were ~same, with mostly a difference of fineness, precision of machining, to distinguish them. [04:29]
mircea_popescu: much like lenses, really, the difference between a very expensive and a very cheap glass wasn't substantial, both made of polished glass. but much different in implementation, made of complicatedly boiled glass hand polished over months or not. [04:30]
mircea_popescu: this is obviously an approximation, and it holds as well as it holds. but what can you do. [04:30]
diana_coman: I suppose the argument is that they still were the same thing i.e. that the fineness & precision differences were not so crucial as to make the result essentially something else I can see it as such and fwiw that'd have been the default way to see it - if not for all the experience of "things that people call X and supposedly is made out of same things as X but different in implementation" [08:15]
diana_coman: anyways, I'm not pushing this strongly as "this is how I actually think it was" - as I said previously, I don't think I know enough to have much to say either way [08:15]
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu , diana_coman [10:23]
* diana_coman waves [10:23]
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to throw some petrol in the clocks fire : in the national museum in washingtonistan, i saw a matchbox-sized (1990s) device claiming to be miniaturized cesium clock. why the item aint available for a few bux from middlekingdom, however, remains to me a mystery. ( possibly in fact sham or possibly some other explanation. ) [10:25]
asciilifeform: fwiw a standard commercial cesium clock sells 2ndhand for about 2/3 of what bolix did.. [10:26]
* asciilifeform doesn't have 1 here, given as never yet perceived any pressing need for such thing [10:27]
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9W8vS << typical subj unit. [10:28]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Could be China doesn't publish their national security export restricted list? [11:55]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've nfi [12:02]
BingoBoingo: I have no concrete idea, but the gulf in quality between export grade chinese tooling and domestic chinese tooling is suggestive [12:10]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from experience, i know that one can get decent-quality items built in cn if one simply ~pays for it~ [12:11]
asciilifeform: the xyz-pnoje-etc people -- do not pay for it, simply. [12:12]
BingoBoingo: There's also the excellent Chicom crescent wrench acquired from tienda inglesa which surpases the quality of "crescent" brand crescent wrenches available commercially in USistan [12:13]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: was speaking of the variant where you contact manufacturer and upload toolings etc. and pay. rather than konsoomer retail. [12:14]
BingoBoingo: AHA, but still even when china is shitting out products whether or not people ask quality varies and the US does not appear to recieve the best [12:15]
asciilifeform: lol wai would it. [12:15]
BingoBoingo: Why would Israel, "US Greatest Ally" still be recognzing Maduro in conflict with loud US delusions? Meteorology is an art. [12:19]
asciilifeform: lol i missed this [12:20]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm digging through stuff and apparently Israel doesn't have a strong opinion on Vzla regime change is the US isn't going to have a strong opinion on Syria regime change seems to be the sentiment. [12:21]
mircea_popescu: https://fetlife.com/users/9060666 << meanwhile in items of doubtful interest, "VulpesTwice 20F Domme". [12:22]
asciilifeform: lol ben_vulpes ex ?! [12:22]
mircea_popescu: muchly doubt it. [12:22]
asciilifeform: ( twice-ex ??!11 ) [12:22]
BingoBoingo: Nice uid [12:23]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in sneap peeks, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rXJ9o/?raw=true << current draft of m-r litmus. [14:14]
asciilifeform: ^ corrected in re diana_coman thread and no longer relies on the squaring limit conjecture mentioned earlier. [14:17]
asciilifeform: 2.541s / 4096b. input. [14:18]
asciilifeform: will be interesting to test on '9000' koch-generated primes, and see if any... aint [14:20]
phf: b [14:27]
asciilifeform: wb phf [14:27]
phf: still alive, been keeping up with the logs, but not much else [14:28]
phf: unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works [14:30]
asciilifeform: phf: canhaz ch15 snarf plox ? [14:30]
phf: si [14:31]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/corydon/ << Trilema -- Corydon [14:43]
phf: asciilifeform: up to date [14:49]
asciilifeform: ty phf ! [14:53]
mircea_popescu: they were some pretty thick logs, at that. [14:55]
phf: i don't understand how anyone can read the logs with one eye, this shit's exponential: i'm behind on ffa, so the recent work on e.g. gcd or miller-rabin is particularly slow going. [15:10]
asciilifeform: eh, gcd is what, 100ln. [15:11]
asciilifeform: arguably barrett is the heavy ch., the algo in the given form dun appear anywhere else (e.g. knuth) and so reqs eating the included proof. [15:14]
asciilifeform: phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix.. [15:16]
asciilifeform: ( to go with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 item ) [15:16]
mircea_popescu: the problem with knowledge : as reality scales with the set, knowledge scales with the powerset. not even calling it exponential does it justice. [15:16]
asciilifeform: ( also possibly of phf interest, the scsi replacement gadget is an a++ win, full docs at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 ) [15:17]
phf: asciilifeform: yeap, i've been keeping up with what you've been publishing on the subject. i'm looking forward to your xray results, i mean that's not something i thought would be doable at home, even if a home lab [15:23]
asciilifeform: phf: eh it's just pcb xray, not micrograph of ic [15:24]
phf: oh oh [15:24]
asciilifeform: micrograph, seems , will prolly have to wait until i get actual microscope here. [15:24]
phf: i would not have been surprised though.. [15:25]
asciilifeform: it is, mind-bogglingly, cheaper than having it done by other hands, even chinese. [15:25]
mircea_popescu: just don't hurt yourself. [15:25]
asciilifeform: i was similarly astonished by how much the xray people wanted for ~1~ piddling pic [15:25]
asciilifeform: ( ~3k ! ) [15:25]
asciilifeform: printing press , evidently, sent prices for various r&d service through the roof. [15:27]
mircea_popescu: well, one possible explanation is "the smartphone revolution" : it managed to make say a butler overexpensive through the simple application of "why should i practice being stiff when i could just catpic all day". conceivably, if it managed to reduce the butler population to practical zero, it might've reduced others too. [15:30]
mircea_popescu: ~nobody left that does work, because nobody left that can work, because nobody left that even knows what work fucking looks like. [15:30]
asciilifeform: that's gotta be it, i cant think how else. [15:32]
asciilifeform: !#s 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b [18:06]
a111: 1 result for "0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b [18:06]
asciilifeform: ah hrm already in log. [18:06]
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/advprimes/index.html << perma-mirror of subj lul. [18:13]
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same. [18:14]
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , possibly other aficionados ^ [18:15]
asciilifeform: ( tldr : d00d generated 'threaded cock for smart arse' composites that break various heathen m-r proggies [18:16]
asciilifeform: ) [18:16]
asciilifeform: incl. openssl, gmp, etc. [18:18]
asciilifeform: apparently not only do the derps use prng for generating witness, but they seed it ~with the candidate n~ [18:18]
asciilifeform: pretty ham-handed, imho, 'nobus'ism. [18:19]
asciilifeform: ( aug 14, 2018 ) [18:22]
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy. you gonna take an article off once you publish to show off both his tests and your results ? [18:23]
asciilifeform: naturally [18:23]
asciilifeform: ( already fed his N's to mine, it -- unsurprisingly -- does Right Thing ) [18:23]
asciilifeform: '...we construct a 1024-bit composite that is guaranteed to be declared prime by the GNU GMP library [Gt18] for anything up to and including 15 rounds of testing (the recommended minimum by GMP). This is as a result of GNU GMP initialising its PRNG to a static state and consequently using bases in its Miller-Rabin testing that depend only on n, the number being tested. We also show how base selection by randomly sampling from a fixed [18:25]
asciilifeform: list of primes, as in Apple’s corecrypto library...' etc [18:25]
asciilifeform: m-r is actually not easy to fuck up, but these folx tried hard, and -- succeeded... [18:27]
asciilifeform: the're 'pros', see , they get 'donations' from microshit etc. and aaapparently ~this~ is whatfor. [18:28]
mircea_popescu: the fucking gall of these imbecile schmucks, then turning around going "oh, you shouldn't amateur" [18:29]
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. because there is such a thing as experts, and the femstate spawns them. [18:29]
asciilifeform: no amateur can ever hope to equal this 'virtuosity' [18:29]
mircea_popescu: exercises in narrative fiction for the fat and the dizzy. [18:29]
asciilifeform: they're... 'experts'. of a kind. (in obfuscated-c, for instance.) [18:30]
mircea_popescu: experts in narrative fiction. [18:31]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: coupla of the authors of linked item are at uni of london. think you can get at'em ? [18:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't resist to bite : what's 'non-narrative' fiction ? [18:32]
asciilifeform: sounds like 'oily oil' [18:32]
asciilifeform: 'wet water' [18:32]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other news, http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ rather effectual in that bw usage dropped ~55% directly. [18:32]
mircea_popescu: cheaper than buying another pipe, that's for damn sure. [18:33]
asciilifeform: only 55?! must be some clever bot people ? [18:33]
asciilifeform: i expected moar like 99+ [18:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a narrative is a set of interconnected events. as long as no interconnectedness is proposed, it's not a narrative, whether fictitious or factual. so you could say a painting is plastic fiction (while a photography plastic realism). cuz they're not narrative. [18:34]
asciilifeform: a aa. [18:34]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, but lots of people ~actually look~ at those images and so on. [18:34]
mircea_popescu: there's of course an abundance of http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2019#2513229 but as much as 15 maybe even 20% of the clickers simply do the right thing, go to trilema./ [18:35]
a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 04:57 mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY. [18:35]
asciilifeform: makes sense. [18:36]
asciilifeform: evidently there are still meat-people on net, somewhere. [18:36]
mircea_popescu: not a particularly high bar, that. [18:36]
asciilifeform: somewhat high bar they found trilema, rather than lolcattube etc [18:37]
mircea_popescu: "set an env variable" not quite the last word in terms of http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-231.1-231.42 "technololols" [18:38]
asciilifeform: 'If either LibTomMath or TomsFastMath are selected, the pseudoprimes described in Section 4.9 (see Appendix I) will always be declared prime by the primality test.' << for the innocent : 'tommath' is 1 of those 'independent, not openssl' arithmetrons... [18:39]
asciilifeform: or, in better-known turdolade, 'The Go programming language (GoLang) 1.10.3 [Goo18] created at Google in 2009 is an open source project including arbitrary-precision arithmetic and cryptographic functionality... ...the pseudorandom number generator used in this primality test is seeded with the tested number n.' [18:40]
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/27/pizarro-update-january-27th-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 27th 2019 [18:51]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other "holy shit, the world has changed!" items : http://trilema.com/2012/slabiti-ma-cu-romali-romales-si-alte-cacaturi/#selection-41.98-41.353 [19:05]
mircea_popescu: the original said "The French don't like being famous for their incapacity of being on time ? Let them fix their watches somehow to the same hour, so they quit going about Paris, apparent adults, with half hour's delta among what their watches show. " and i'm willing to attest even as late as LAST DECADE this was a factual state of affairs. [19:06]
mircea_popescu: nowadays, smartphones are within half a second of each other -- jobs fixed paris timekeeping! [19:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra lulz: they drift like hell if denied gsm ( tested with own hands ) [20:16]
mircea_popescu: oya [20:17]
mircea_popescu: shittier oscillator on-board than ye olde ibm-pc [20:17]
asciilifeform: ( jobs, evidently, didn't spring for the 25ppm xtal.. ) [20:17]
asciilifeform: for extra mindfuck : the primary xtal in the bolix ( valpey-fisher vf155 ) is a <1ppm txco. [20:21]
asciilifeform: ( unlike in any pc i've met to date ) [20:21]
mircea_popescu: nuts. [20:21]
asciilifeform: ( apparently firm existed until '11, even. largely military/usgistic market. ) [20:22]
asciilifeform: *tcxo [20:24]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [20:25]
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JwcYx/?raw=true << updated m-r. [21:59]
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/freddy-got-fingered/ << Trilema -- Freddy Got Fingered [22:01]
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-march-april-and-may-1715-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715. - Part IV. [22:24]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in russki sluts, https://i1.wp.com/www.domnuroz.ro/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/anastasiya-kabanova-1600x900.jpg [23:19]
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