Forum logs for 25 Jul 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: in other cypherfunk lulz, " was allowed to go defunk on April 4th 2017, it went to auction on 5-9-17 and after a bidding war for the domain my baby and I took formal ownership of it on 5/16/17 to make sure that the M/s community still had this resource. Just like many other M/s couples my baby has a slave number which is permanently etched on my body just as my masters mark is on hers. I was not about to let [01:13]
mircea_popescu: this registry go to the way side and be used by some random porn site to push traffic... to many that identify as M/s this is a part of who they are!" [01:13]
mircea_popescu: maybe vellum archival is the way to go after all. [01:13]
jurov: slavecoin blockchain [05:17]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [08:14]
asciilifeform: ^ ethertards cleaned again [08:15]
shinohai: lmao ... [08:23]
shinohai: LOL The Baloney xchange won' provide support for BCC, Ver immediately pays for farticle: [09:00]
mircea_popescu: In a post-mortem announcement, Middleton posted online today, the Veritaseum CEO said "the amount stolen was miniscule (less than 00.07%) although the dollar amount was quite material." [09:25]
mircea_popescu: this does not immediately translate to "we wash trade like nobodys business", especially if you're fucktarded. [09:25]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1736...6193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US MI) [10:08]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1654...2859 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( US MI) [10:08]
mircea_popescu: and in other wtfs, [10:40]
shinohai: "If someone were to someone (sic) confiscate 100% of the available tokens, all we need to do is refuse to stand behind them and recreate the token under a new contract" [10:47]
mircea_popescu: lol [10:47]
shinohai: This shit is the ultimate SFYL generator [10:47]
mircea_popescu: i find it hysterical how the socialist mind is entirely immune to any consideration of communication costsa [10:48]
mircea_popescu: "what, that thing that makes our theoretical system unworkable in practice ? PISH! we could switch the earth into a concave form if we all agreed to jump at the same time!" [10:48]
mircea_popescu: the FUCKING POINT of the ipo was to get y'all idiots and imbeciles to "all" something. and it... failed. and now ? ??? [10:49]
shinohai: If your cardboard gets wet and misshapen, we simply cut you out a new one. Problem solved! [10:49]
asciilifeform: << lol, the shitrag distinguished by masterpiece [11:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-25 14:40 mircea_popescu: and in other wtfs, [11:35]
lobbes: << "Unlike credit card transactions, which leave a digital trail, bitcoin transactions are designed to be anonymous and untraceable. When you transfer bitcoins to someone else, it's as if you handed over a paper bag filled with $100 bills in a dark alley." Hahahaha. This is gold. [12:15]
ben_vulpes: does anyone have b006b252052c84eb2dba6e59c011215b2e1f6d401f14e655a676537cb651b55b kicking around in a mempool? [13:22]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope. why? [13:31]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...1697 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( RU) [13:39]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1669...1749 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' ( RU) [13:39]
asciilifeform: 'Санкт-Петербург онлайн' [13:42]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sent a transaction, refuses to confirm [13:43]
ben_vulpes: ofc i forgot to set a fee for the node, so it's clearly my fault [13:44]
asciilifeform: lol [13:44]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you have the low-S patch , neh ? [13:44]
ben_vulpes: ja [13:44]
asciilifeform: ( mod6's ) [13:44]
asciilifeform: then thank spamola [13:44]
ben_vulpes: how does this follow? [13:46]
asciilifeform: there are none so blind as those who will not open their third eye. or how did it go. [13:46]
ben_vulpes: well what i do not understand is what the low/high s bit has to do with its deprioritization in favor of spamola [13:51]
asciilifeform: nothing, was separate q [13:51]
ben_vulpes: ah [13:51]
asciilifeform: interestingly asciilifeform recently learned that the 'mutate high to low S and broadcast malleated tx but ONLY if a 'doublespend attempt' ( you retransmitting, say, with patched trb ) is detected ' thing is STILL running [13:54]
asciilifeform: and still nfi who or why. [13:54]
asciilifeform: ( reencoding + retransmitting that is ) [13:54]
asciilifeform: in other phunphakts, ada does NOT permit the use of bitwise ops ('and', 'xor', etc) on integer. ( only on booleans and on 'modular types' - i.e. where the compiler is absolutely certain that subj is a machine integer and machine uses 2s-complement representation.) [15:39]
asciilifeform: i can picture the discussion at the table : 'what if the sign bit on some machine is the FIRST, not last? or kept in the MIDDLE!111' [15:40]
asciilifeform: pretty interesting intro, turns out, to the world pre- intelhegemony -- where you have no ability to assume not only size of byte, but arithmetic model [15:41]
asciilifeform: 'could be ANYTHING, and you may NOT program with assumptions as to what it is' [15:42]
asciilifeform: exquisite, imho, trap for c-tards. [15:42]
mircea_popescu: << aha! "The economic significance of this Bitcoin roller coaster was basically nil." ~Paul Krugman. a once-respected economist meanwhile quietly beheaded by the republic. [16:40]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-25 15:35 asciilifeform: << lol, the shitrag distinguished by masterpiece [16:40]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> ofc i forgot to set a fee for the node, so it's clearly my fault << spend from the paid address, WITH a fee. most miners will include both. [16:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by whom and for what was he respected? [16:41]
mircea_popescu: by the washpo, and for being a convincingly "liberal" socialist. [16:42]
asciilifeform: is what i thought [16:42]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in more interesting matter, [16:42]
mircea_popescu: leaving aside her pretty cunt, is she acceptalby faced ? [16:42]
asciilifeform: but 'once respected' had implication of 'by people' [16:42]
asciilifeform: faced << not imho [16:43]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: spend from the paying address or paid address? [16:43]
mircea_popescu: ah, i didn't mean that. [16:43]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the paid address. [16:43]
ben_vulpes: so if i send a tx to friend a with no fee, and it gets stuck, the advice is to ask friend a to spend from that address and then miners are in the habit of then including the stuck txn? [16:45]
mircea_popescu: yes. specifically, to spend the input you sent him. this will produce a chain of A->B txn, of which A has no fee itself but B does (except to get at it you must also include A). [16:45]
asciilifeform: lulzy also in that it exposes elementary allcomer ddos of miner [16:46]
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you can simply import that address privkey into an offline wallet, have it sign a different tx (with a fee!) and broadcast that. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: "offline" here just means "that won't hear about the 0fee tx". [16:47]
asciilifeform: ( this function requires potentially unbounded orphanage to eval ) [16:47]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, about half of them do max 2, about a third of the remainder max 3, and i think ther'es a max 8 also in there. [16:47]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oh neato [16:47]
ben_vulpes: yeah, i can do the wallet dance, was curious about this [16:48]
mircea_popescu: it's marginally cleaner to do the first rather than the 2nd, but then again it may be actually easier to do something yourselfd than explain to another what to do. [16:48]
ben_vulpes: i didn't know people were accepting chained transactions [16:48]
ben_vulpes: also that [16:48]
mircea_popescu: for a coupla years now, yes. [16:48]
ben_vulpes: this is the "replace by fee" thing? [16:48]
asciilifeform: yes, and you can flood'em with n-length (e.g. 7) chains that end in 'ha, gotcha' instead of tx-in-old-block, as root [16:48]
asciilifeform: which they're stuck walking [16:49]
ben_vulpes: dunno why it needed a name [16:49]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, that'd require an A and an A' and you decide which to go by terms of B fee. that is iffier. [16:49]
ben_vulpes: wallet dance as rbf i mean [16:50]
asciilifeform: eating chains also seems dumb from a likelihood of orphaning of block pov [16:50]
mircea_popescu: amusingly en0ough the tx chain started happening a few weeks after i whined about wtf why is it not there. but i'm sure coincidenceh. [16:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whyssat ? [16:50]
ben_vulpes: what does a' mean in this context spending same inputs as a but with eg different fee? [16:51]
mircea_popescu: is that a quote or ? [16:51]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually no, nm [16:52]
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not cleanly ideal etc, but what you gonna do, people will accidentally 0fee. [16:52]
ben_vulpes: q is in re what makes an A' from an A, not a quote, prime symbol [17:16]
mircea_popescu: ah yes, you have two different txs that spend the same output and the proposal was to resolve which gets included by adding a dependent tx with a higher fee so that A' + B always confirm instead of A because larger joint tx fee. [18:45]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( this function requires potentially unbounded orphanage to eval ) << Well since they can get away with doing it now, they MUST [18:48]
BingoBoingo: And yes, this was used as DDoS Sauce against miners in the mempool bloating attacks. [18:48]
BingoBoingo: Chains far longer than 2 transactions [18:48]
mircea_popescu: it was. [18:49]
BingoBoingo: But so long as miners live/die on sucking shit, they still gotta do it [18:53]
BingoBoingo: No ifs, ands, or butts [18:54]
mircea_popescu: in the meanwhilulz, someone made a "game" : [18:54]
BingoBoingo: Ah, it's been a thing for a while [18:59]
mircea_popescu: ahaha wait, is that yours ? [18:59]
BingoBoingo: AHA [19:01]
mircea_popescu: o hey. well, it must've crossed whatever google spam threshold or such, i finally saw it. [19:01]
BingoBoingo: only really ping it monthly to keep it from becoming inactive. [19:01]
shinohai: Pallas cat is nice touch [19:01]
BingoBoingo: Thing's been around long enough to have made now dead countries in school classes. If anything "game" prolly has lower profile now than ever. [19:02]
BingoBoingo: Unless still inflated user stats from people making Statal oppressions as projects for skewl [19:02]
mircea_popescu: hm. [19:02]
BingoBoingo: "The Tesla-landian economy, worth 231 billion Coils a year, is led by the Cheese Exports industry, with major contributions from Book Publishing, Arms Manufacturing, and Retail. State-owned companies are reasonably common. Average income is 38,599 Coils, and evenly distributed, with the richest citizens earning only 3.2 times as much as the poorest." << Oh my, what is this hippy stuff? [19:12]
mircea_popescu: no clue [19:13]
shinohai: "in the unlikely event that the 2MB block size increase portion of Segwit2x fails to activate, will immediately shift all company resources to supporting Bitcoin Cash exclusively." [19:16]
shinohai: Ver gonna ver [19:17]
mircea_popescu: company resources ? sorry ? [19:17]
mircea_popescu: "oh i got a VALUABLE DOMAIN NAME!!!" [19:17]
shinohai: lmao [19:18]
mircea_popescu: am i the only one who recalls the inept lulz back when he was trying to sell/rent that in 2015 ? [19:18]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> no clue << Git gud n00b, u mad cuz u bad? [19:32]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> am i the only one who recalls the inept lulz back when he was trying to sell/rent that in 2015 ? << AHA, DID SELL/RENT, RE-NIG'd [19:33]
BingoBoingo: Poor Chicoms Ver fucked [19:33]
mircea_popescu: heh [19:33]
BingoBoingo: As opposed to the poor masses ver fucked Winter 2014 with "PLS GIX is SOLVENT, k thx Bi" [19:34]
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest dorks the upheaval temporarily drug up, at any rate. [19:34]
mircea_popescu: he and that schmuck filming a "bitcoin show" with the cam in demo mode pretty much share the accidentally-spotlighted-fucktard award for early bitcoinade. [19:35]
BingoBoingo: Ah, the Bitcoin/Pedocoin fork! [19:35]
shinohai: I always though was one of the lulziest things he ever did [19:42]
shinohai: (Besides the meltdown over 5 bitcents or whatever it was) [19:42]
mircea_popescu: nah it was like 20 bux. 15, 25, something. prolly half a btc at the time or such. [19:48]
BingoBoingo: It was 0.5 or 0.54 or something. [19:50]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [19:52]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2555.55, vol: 21325.01974007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2561.0, vol: 56062.96645355 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2618.406519, vol: 17418.81890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2563.003, vol: 10782.9982542 | Volume-weighted last average: 2569.57403572 [19:53]
BingoBoingo: If Ver didn't spend it all shoving agricultural explosives up his Buttcoinslot, he could prolly buy a working Honda del sol for that money. [19:53]
deedbot: << Qntra - A Quick FAQ About The Not Bitcoin fork "Bitcoin Cash" [19:54]
asciilifeform: in other noose, kako finally retromonkeying with his log [19:58]
asciilifeform: replaces all mention of trilema with 'fraudster' [19:58]
BingoBoingo: [19:59]
shinohai: So much butthurt still [20:00]
BingoBoingo: !!Up deep-book-gk_ [20:02]
deedbot: deep-book-gk_ voiced for 30 minutes. [20:02]
BingoBoingo: deep-book-gk_: Who is your daddy and what does he do? [20:02]
mod6: evenin' [20:09]
mircea_popescu: heya [20:13]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in diaper world, [20:15]
BingoBoingo: Good evening mod6 [20:15]
mod6: hai, just catchin up on ze logs and qntra [20:15]
BingoBoingo: Kewl, Qntra's still a bit slow. The lulzy part of the year is still just beginning [20:16]
mod6: for sure [20:17]
mod6: lol diaper world. [20:17]
mod6: that one girl from earlier was smokin [20:17]
BingoBoingo: [20:17]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1725...6207 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' (Unknown RU LEN) [22:01]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1485...7853 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' (Unknown RU LEN) [22:01]
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