Forum logs for 24 May 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt [00:13]
mod6: so that's a start [00:14]
shinohai: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-24-may-2016#2097638 <<< nifty ping me plox if you are testing later [06:48]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 04:13 mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt [06:48]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471076 <<< Will do in a bit, wrote last night before bed so .... [07:24]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:30 BingoBoingo: shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra [07:24]
mircea_popescu: later tell funkenstein_ plox liquidate and send proceeds - your fee to 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR thanks. [07:25]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [07:25]
mircea_popescu: so here's a question/job for any ai/machine reading afficionados : [07:25]
mircea_popescu: currently, trilema title redirects one if clicked ot a random (english language) article. what i'd want it to do is to redirect one to a randomly chosen ~related~ article. [07:26]
mircea_popescu: how do you establish relatedness of texts 500-1k words long out of a list of thousands ? [07:26]
mircea_popescu: an' in morning news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6e4945b5fcff01f31591c2c1e1229015/tumblr_mxeqm89D5p1s7wncoo1_500.gif [07:27]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471087 << this isn't even an idle consideration as all that. [07:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:57 funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail [07:30]
mircea_popescu: a large factor that collapsed "the quaint institution" (from the pov of the insiders, mind, who cares what foreigners think) was the sheer inability of distinguishing at the edges. "why is this white man black ?" "book sez so" [07:31]
mircea_popescu: generally, linking societal preeminence to phenotype has the major disadvantage that men (and no, NOT women, as the claim is currently fashionable among wanna-be republicans without the republic) broadly prefer to fuck socially inferior women. [07:33]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: friend actually wrote is masters thesis on this iirc (not that you care about appeals to bureaucracy, i know) on this, i can later check for linx. new shit in town is compositional distributional models of semantics. see http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/activities/compdistmeaning/ - also i can dig up our application for funding for doing what you want to do i think :D [07:33]
mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. [07:33]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ehehehe i'd read what you dig up, so by all means. [07:34]
Framedragger: lol @ title on that cs.ox page "meets quantum info flow".. it's just that they use cool shit from category theory, tensors, etc.. but need to be careful not to be drawn into believing a priori what the people in the tower say [07:35]
mircea_popescu: wtf is with this "quantum" shit anyway. [07:35]
mircea_popescu: us stem edu went to udder crap. [07:35]
mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS! [07:36]
Framedragger: dis not US (well but effectively US, yea) [07:36]
mircea_popescu: damned town population is a QUANTUM VARIABLE! [07:36]
mircea_popescu: uuuuu "i fucking love science, look at all deze galaxy catpictures" [07:36]
mircea_popescu: idiots. [07:36]
mircea_popescu: wtf is "quantum info flow" supposed to even be ? what random exotic property of subatomic scale did they arbitrarily decide to use the wrong word for ? is it lorenzian flow, ie, if you face it head on you discover there's really not that much, for it somehow contracts, whereas from aside it seemed like there's a lot ? i noticed this property! [07:37]
Framedragger: some time ago upon enquiring on his work i was told to read http://anthology.aclweb.org/J/J15/J15-1004.pdf and http://nlp.stanford.edu/projects/natlog.shtml but i can't recommend in good faith, for i haven't read myself. nevertheless should be relevant stuff. but not at implementation-ready-to-use-level... [07:38]
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's schroedingerian flow, ie, it's only there if you don't look. like social media utility. [07:38]
mircea_popescu: or maybe something something relativistic something ? another word they raped with the flaming globes of zigmund. [07:39]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ima skip the pdf for want of a blowtorch, but lessee the other. [07:39]
mircea_popescu: (ftr my idea was to enumerate all words that appear more than once less than a dozen times in the whole article body, then consider "related" articles which diverge from the average in the same way on the same words, with arbitrary cut-offs. none of which is anything but 1800 tech) [07:40]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what. [07:41]
mircea_popescu: check this shit out omg, they're "taking it back" http://nlp.stanford.edu/static/img/logos/nlp-logo-small.gif [07:41]
Framedragger: heheh.. natural language folks actually employ NLP all the time, though it's become a bit of a catch-all shitty acronym, like A.I. [07:42]
mircea_popescu: mandatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4 [07:42]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger except anyone with money remembers it as "neuro linguistic programming" [07:43]
mircea_popescu: you know, how to pick up sluts in the 80s [07:43]
Framedragger: anyone with money, rly? [07:43]
Framedragger: yeahyeah meknows the other reference [07:43]
Framedragger: hm [07:43]
Framedragger: all in academic circles (i can hear our snort from here heh:D ) resolve it to the other reference, mind you [07:44]
mircea_popescu: well, maybe not mathematiclaly "any", but... [07:44]
Framedragger: *your [07:44]
mircea_popescu: i dun think so. [07:44]
Framedragger: yeah you know what, re. your idea, this is shit overwhelming, i'd also start with what you had in mind.. and think of simple markov models, etc. [07:45]
Framedragger: /me off for the time being [07:45]
mircea_popescu: fucking academia. in the rare cases they have a sane link, it's because they couldn't link to a list of pdfs from within their excel spreadsheet. [07:47]
Framedragger: p.s. so you don't read PDFs out of principle/security? i hear you.. but now i want to write some simple on-demand pdf to html converter just so i can send you goddamn PDFs to look at [07:47]
shinohai: bwahaha BingoBoingo forbes just now writing about gatecoingate http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2016/05/24/hackers-steal-2-million-from-bitcoin-exchange-in-hong-kong-bounty-offered-to-recover-funds/ [07:49]
shinohai: Eleven days after Qntra'd [07:49]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger asciilifeform had some sort of convertor either. [07:50]
mircea_popescu: but i don't read them out of principle, yeah. nothing to do with security per se, it's all political. in general i don't wish to encourage adobe ("oh, we couldn't do without them" bullshit, it's exactly the "Social media network effect matters" sole argument of usg it corporatardia) and in particular i don't think very much of what someone who expresses themselves in pdf might think or say. much like i wouldn't have read nigg [07:51]
mircea_popescu: er speech in 1750, because who the fuck cares what some voodoo practitioners think of any topic whatsoever. [07:51]
mircea_popescu: except bureaucrat is the new nigger. [07:52]
shinohai: http://linux.die.net/man/1/pdftohtml <<< worx [07:52]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but this means you preemptively dismiss, say (as an offhand example), lotsa mathematicians who put their stuff as preprints on arXiv and the likes. (generated with free software and renderable with free software (but, yes, using a shitty proprietary-wannabe format nonetheless)) [07:55]
mircea_popescu: sane math people use tex. [07:55]
mircea_popescu: seriously, someone who uses pdf is a mathematician in the sense condolezza rice was an expert and obama a nobel prize winner. [07:55]
Framedragger: ..and then they render to pdf. but yeah good people also link to tex source on their websites, true.. [07:57]
mircea_popescu: like the guy was asking yest "am i still welcome here", what the fuck do i care what they do to it. they can take the thing and put it through a leetspeak converter for all i care, what diff does it make. [07:58]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so lisa dib is some strange aussie who is too fat to fuck dudes but discovered dogs don't mind. so shes given up on dating and moved on to kennel life. good for her! [07:59]
mircea_popescu: "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. [08:01]
Framedragger: shinohai: ah nice, should have known, worth a check thanks! [08:01]
Framedragger: /me really off nao [08:01]
mircea_popescu: later [08:01]
shinohai: it's pretty decent for lazy use. [08:01]
shinohai: lol [08:01]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471079 << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? [08:04]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 02:44 BingoBoingo: Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462 [08:04]
mircea_popescu: later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?! [08:05]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [08:05]
mircea_popescu: the shit they do in canada i swear. [08:05]
mircea_popescu: and then the way they spring it on you, too, you know, like it's the most natural thing in the world. [08:05]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 [08:45]
shinohai: shingondo lol [08:49]
mircea_popescu: $up funkenstein_ [08:56]
deedbot: funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes. [08:56]
mircea_popescu: you can self-up can't you ? [08:56]
funkenstein_: too short :) [08:56]
mircea_popescu: lmao [08:56]
mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ? [08:57]
funkenstein_: liquidation complete, lemme know if I can be of further service [09:00]
mircea_popescu: o.O what, you worked that acct pro bono ? [09:01]
funkenstein_: pro bono yup [09:02]
mircea_popescu: danke! [09:02]
funkenstein_: bitte [09:03]
funkenstein_: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471115 <-- 100% agree [09:03]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:36 mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS! [09:03]
funkenstein_: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110 <-- 100% disagree [09:03]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. [09:03]
mircea_popescu: with what exactly lol [09:05]
funkenstein_: that anything could be more enjoyable when "slave" [09:08]
mircea_popescu: that's not germane is it ? [09:08]
mircea_popescu: "the historical justification for human sacrificing was the theory gods care" "i don't agree gods even exist" "Sooo ?" [09:09]
funkenstein_: ah I see [09:10]
mircea_popescu: gotta watch that emotional response mr dwarf guy :) [09:10]
funkenstein_: the justification for owning ethereum is that its better than bitcoin [09:10]
funkenstein_: ok hehe [09:11]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471175 << wrong. [09:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 12:57 mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ? [09:11]
mircea_popescu: ok but which part lol [09:11]
asciilifeform: 3 * x, where x includes some new factor [09:11]
asciilifeform: think! [09:12]
mircea_popescu: you keep asking me to think. what, you think that's what missing, i never ran into someone telling me to do it ? [09:12]
asciilifeform: it's a gcd output [09:12]
mircea_popescu: i have, this sad mangled result is what comes out of me thinking. [09:12]
mircea_popescu: ok, but the gcd output of oh. [09:12]
asciilifeform: lelk [09:12]
mircea_popescu: aite :) [09:12]
asciilifeform: aha. [09:12]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471126 << the academitards had their entirely own nlp... [09:14]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:41 mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what. [09:14]
mircea_popescu: 904359116964408528249771÷90194313237 = 10026786440383 904359116964408528249771÷1612042960484901 = 561001871 10026786440383÷561001871 = 17873 [09:14]
mircea_popescu: it'd seem no new factor after all ? [09:14]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously [09:14]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? << In court. Cop dude skipped a jury and had a judge try the case. A *black* judge! [09:15]
mircea_popescu: yes. so usg gang > black gang. [09:16]
mircea_popescu: ie, an individual usg black dude sided with the usg side. [09:16]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did you even conceive of dividing latest gcd by earlier. it does nothing useful [09:17]
mircea_popescu: i do random shit like that. [09:17]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, gotta stir the pot if they are going to make a black spring happen in Baltimore [09:18]
asciilifeform: yer making a good case for massaging out the primez [09:18]
mircea_popescu: so the new factor is a composite of the old factors both of them [09:18]
asciilifeform: before displaying [09:18]
mircea_popescu: you don't think this peculiar ? [09:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. exactly how 8ball worx [09:18]
asciilifeform: the only way it worx [09:18]
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this to me again, i just thought the 8ball is a product of primes up to x [09:18]
asciilifeform: aha [09:19]
mircea_popescu: so if the product of primes up to x shook out a composite that includes NO OTHER FACTORS than the primes already found through mutual gcd'ing of extant keys [09:19]
BingoBoingo: In other not quite news: Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find an [09:19]
BingoBoingo: d categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN. [09:19]
mircea_popescu: these primes must then be some pretty fuckingmagical primes, and not the result of rand seeding. [09:19]
asciilifeform: and if gcd was once p1*p2, and now it is p1*p2*p3 [09:19]
asciilifeform: then! [09:20]
mircea_popescu: yes ? [09:20]
asciilifeform: and what's more, this is how random turd behaves (try it) [09:21]
asciilifeform: loads of tiny primez [09:21]
mircea_popescu: well yes, because the probability of 5 being a factor is 1/5 and of 17 1/17, so three times rarer. [09:22]
asciilifeform: prime num theorem, etc [09:22]
mircea_popescu: ima go shake out these three numbers now and see. [09:22]
asciilifeform: also i had dream with motherfucking ~kirschner~ in it [09:29]
asciilifeform: i blame you lot!11111 [09:29]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha [09:30]
mircea_popescu: the fugly argentine ex president ?! [09:30]
asciilifeform: aha [09:31]
asciilifeform: who else. [09:31]
mircea_popescu: ok so here's the wonder asciilifeform : [09:33]
mircea_popescu: 904359116964408528249771 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417*561001871 1612042960484901 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417 90194313237 = 3*7*641*6700417 [09:36]
mircea_popescu: so now : we found the extra prime, 561001871. [09:36]
asciilifeform: ^ [09:36]
mircea_popescu: 3, 7, 61, 293 and 6700417 we knew from before. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: word. [09:37]
asciilifeform: prolly i oughta display primes, not gcds. [09:37]
mircea_popescu: mebbe. depends on the work involved. [09:38]
BingoBoingo: Reddit does landscaping https://archive.is/02C88 [09:43]
Framedragger: ..i'm sorry to have to keep repeating myself, but i can't fucking resist: got another "abuse complaint" from www.cert.br the entirety (non-snipped / non-excerpted) evidence it sites is (s/some_ip/[source_ip]): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4901af69-4295-411b-8bcb-84220a53b8b3/ - that's right, THREE PACKETS [09:47]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: is there some short write-up introducing phuctor? i see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1331 and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory - i want to provide a link to hosting providers to substantiate the "responsible netscanning" efforts (as naive as it sounds). [09:47]
Framedragger: *of its evidence ^ [09:48]
mircea_popescu: there's a new faq page coming up, give it a day or two [09:48]
Framedragger: oh nice, awesome! [09:48]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [11:24]
asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs! [11:24]
asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> its how i implemented some of the anti-ddos features - need logs for that [11:24]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/KKH [11:27]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [11:27]
shinohai: ^ Bruce Fenton lulz [11:27]
asciilifeform: $up mp_at_olivos [11:45]
deedbot: mp_at_olivos voiced for 30 minutes. [11:45]
mp_at_olivos: danke! [11:45]
asciilifeform: when do we get mp_at_barriloche ? [11:45]
mp_at_olivos: lol someday! [11:45]
asciilifeform: i wanna see mp tour nazitown [11:45]
asciilifeform: at this rate the last german will croak there!1111 [11:46]
asciilifeform: unless map lies to me, olivos is just the upper chunk of ba [11:47]
mp_at_olivos: something like that. [11:48]
asciilifeform: and here i was expecting some deserted island or spanish fort [11:48]
* asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight [11:48]
mp_at_olivos: anyway, since i got a little time here, to round off the whole bitbet thing [11:52]
mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely [11:52]
mp_at_olivos: the one thing it can´t be is actually true. [11:52]
mp_at_olivos: obviously, there´s a peculiar path through the lies we´re suggested to take as per the usual "modern democracy" or "science" or whatever the fuck, [11:53]
mp_at_olivos: but honestly the only thing that comes to mind looking at it is, how the fuck are all the fruits of the socialist tree always the same identical shit. [11:53]
mp_at_olivos: this could be "saddam has wmds!!11" for the same exact contortion value. [11:54]
mp_at_olivos: but this nonsense aside, the fact remains that as far as contracts are concerned, kakobrekla´s idea of bitbet wind down was for him to run off with the assets. [11:54]
mp_at_olivos: i forced a more equitable solution, by which everyone got paid, him included. [11:54]
asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ? [11:55]
asciilifeform: (it would have to be by bamboozlement ?) [11:55]
mp_at_olivos: nevertheless, that solution does not provide him any indemnity for his idiotic behaviour. to my eyes the shareholders have decent claims for destruction of value against him, [11:55]
mp_at_olivos: and should they actually decide to pursue that, the 670 btc he made off with wouldn´t suffice to cover even the principal. [11:55]
mp_at_olivos: iirc bitbet traded easily 4x that, and of course there´ll be whatever fees there´ll be. [11:56]
mp_at_olivos: so in practical terms, he can´t treat that sum as anything but a risk provision, and in no case can proceed to spend it. [11:56]
asciilifeform: who's gonna pull it out of him ? [11:57]
mp_at_olivos: this practically means he´s bankrupt, and dealing with the bankrupt is always a risky proposition for the mindful businessman. [11:57]
mp_at_olivos: or, as the story goes, http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ [11:57]
mp_at_olivos: asciilifeform: i don´t know if anyone is or isn´t. but that´s besides the point. [11:57]
asciilifeform: iirc even pirate, sitting on the stake, never coughed up the coinz [11:58]
mp_at_olivos: business is what it is, by its own laws, not what derpy mc herperson "feels" it should be in his special pleaded case. [11:58]
asciilifeform: (because they were gone, likely) [11:58]
mp_at_olivos: likely. sure. [11:58]
mp_at_olivos: what´s that change. [11:58]
asciilifeform: simply that the man is likely laughing all the way to the fiatolade fountain with his 670. [11:59]
mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr. [11:59]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:55 asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ? [11:59]
asciilifeform: ah ru NEP style [11:59]
mp_at_olivos: yeah, well. for that matter mpex still has a claim against one harnett. as fate would have it, for a similar sum [11:59]
mp_at_olivos: that derp similarly tried to get a sort of confederacy of dounces going, in that i didn´t approve his version of events so he wouldn´t pay. [12:00]
mp_at_olivos: i´m ever so impressed to this date. [12:00]
asciilifeform: was that the bitvps kid ? [12:00]
mp_at_olivos: nah, "bitcoin banker" back in the days mp was stuck proving to the "community" of imbeciles that no. [12:01]
asciilifeform: ah him [12:01]
mp_at_olivos: google patrick harnett [12:01]
gribble: Error: We broke The Google! [12:01]
asciilifeform: ^ methinks it's dead [12:01]
mp_at_olivos: heh. anyway. [12:01]
mp_at_olivos: stipid spanish keyboard, nothing´s where it should be. [12:01]
asciilifeform: woah mp on a heathen machine [12:02]
mp_at_olivos: hey, it´s what they have here. SOBERANIA NACIONAL!!!11 [12:02]
mp_at_olivos: ergo keyboards must not work. [12:02]
mp_at_olivos: i had to copy-paste / out of urls to get it, otherwise who the fuck knows where it is [12:03]
asciilifeform: l0l! [12:03]
Framedragger: > indemnity for his idiotic behaviour [12:03]
Framedragger: mp_at_olivos: out of loop, but surely you mean more than one (unsigned) comment on a website? [12:03]
mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471257 yaya i´msure. [12:04]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:24 asciilifeform: <kakobrekla> and yes there were bbet logs! [12:04]
asciilifeform: recently i got my hands on a massive steel ibm terminal kbd. recently been sanding, repainting, it and it had some lunatic layout without proper slash etc. i sawed controller out of it and replaced with new. [12:04]
mp_at_olivos: Framedragger: hm % [12:04]
Framedragger: you know, i'm not prepared to discuss it cause i'm out of my element here. i'll read more logs [12:04]
mp_at_olivos: asciilifeform: in a sane world i´d just keep my kbd layout on trilema and download into os wherever i need it. but no sane world. [12:04]
asciilifeform: aha. [12:05]
mp_at_olivos: maybe you know, i got claw hand and i want macro to sit were s is or whatever. dworak [12:05]
* asciilifeform in sane world would carry keyboard in violin case wherever, and it'd work [12:05]
asciilifeform: mp_at_olivos: recall naggum's layout [12:05]
mp_at_olivos: nah, i think thatçs a different sort of sane. [12:05]
asciilifeform: (naggum had punctuation chars ~in the middle~, vertically) [12:06]
mp_at_olivos: motherfucker, im pissing utf everywhere like a cancerous half shark in seawater [12:06]
asciilifeform: what the living phuck is ç even doing on a sp kbd ?! [12:06]
asciilifeform: to write curaçao ? [12:07]
asciilifeform: where they don't even speak sp ? [12:07]
asciilifeform: or do spain and portugal share a kbd. [12:08]
mp_at_olivos: no ideaç. [12:08]
mp_at_olivos: but it plays the role of single quote, much like % is a question mark. [12:08]
asciilifeform: holy fuq [12:08]
asciilifeform: (fuç !) [12:08]
mp_at_olivos: let me give you the top layout for incredilolz Ñ [12:08]
mp_at_olivos: ·ª"/()¡!¿?₧+¨ [12:08]
asciilifeform: ₧ ?? [12:09]
mp_at_olivos: thatçs colon. [12:09]
asciilifeform: ¡ai caramba! [12:09]
mp_at_olivos: or no wait, ₧ is where equal sits, atop 0 [12:09]
mp_at_olivos: Ñ is colon. [12:09]
asciilifeform: ¿por que such braindamage? [12:09]
mp_at_olivos: anyway, five minute call, ima be back later. prolly on a sane system, i sent out for. [12:10]
mp_at_olivos: hasta luegoª [12:10]
jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing! [12:23]
asciilifeform: jurov: what's that to do with me. [12:23]
jurov: just in case you'll start having treasonous thoughts to sell some shares and withdraw from mpex [12:25]
jurov: yes, i know so far you never strayed from faith [12:25]
asciilifeform: but think about it, if the business consists of ~you, and you quietly sell shares to randos and remove all incentive for yourself to do your duty... [12:25]
asciilifeform: what's that make you. [12:25]
asciilifeform: i explained years ago that i never expect to sell my s.nsa shares, no matter how the thing goes -- for this reason. [12:26]
asciilifeform: which is likewise why not having mpex acct never especially bothered me. [12:27]
jurov: if my business lays golden eggs at least nce few months, why would it do it? [12:27]
jurov: *why would I do it? [12:27]
asciilifeform: it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people. [12:28]
asciilifeform: considering that any selling is a serious signal of ill-confidence in own victory [12:28]
jurov: to sell half of future golden eggs upfront to investors? [12:29]
asciilifeform: yeah but imagine selling ~all~ [12:29]
asciilifeform: and you are the goose. [12:29]
asciilifeform: why would anyone take you seriously after that ? [12:29]
jurov: kako sold all? [12:29]
asciilifeform: in ancient times, when you sold yourself into slavery, at least you'd be collected physically [12:29]
asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi what kako sold or did not sell. [12:30]
asciilifeform: but if he sold the bulk of his bbet holding ahead of time, then yes, it was a betrayal [12:30]
jurov: he had 25% that was not on mpex thus not possible to sell. then he got another 25% which was *supposed to be sold to public* [12:31]
asciilifeform: in the meat world there were legalisms like 'key man clause' etc. for such cases. [12:31]
asciilifeform: jurov: he easily could have sold the 'unsellable' 25%, by ~promising the coin~ in the future. [12:35]
asciilifeform: all he couldn't do is ~sell it on mpex~, legitly [12:35]
asciilifeform: jurov: understand that the blade of conspiratorial conjecture has ~two~ edges. [12:36]
asciilifeform: and can cut as easily in one direction as the other. [12:36]
jurov: im confused. what am i supposedly conspiring here? [12:37]
jurov: you are conspiring he sold something he should not as per some sinister end [12:37]
asciilifeform: jurov: well not you, or at least , not here. [12:38]
asciilifeform: other mega-thread. [12:38]
jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances [12:39]
jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded [12:40]
trinque: if you cross someone with whom you're doing business, and the cost to their reputation is not enough to harm them, they fuck you back. [12:40]
jurov: do you have anything to say to this one? [12:40]
trinque: you people are still going on like old spinsters trying to wrangle this thing legally [12:40]
trinque: asciilifeform: got your message perhaps they come out rapidly enough that more than six get dumped at a time to RSS? [12:41]
trinque: I think the thing as written only ever barfs last six to avoid spamming the channel [12:42]
trinque: I could alter that [12:42]
asciilifeform: trinque: they do [12:42]
asciilifeform: trinque: they come out potentially maxint at a time. [12:42]
asciilifeform: but rss displays, iirc, 20. [12:42]
asciilifeform: (this is a knob and i can move it) [12:43]
asciilifeform: but yeah, hilariously kako's feed (he has one) got all of the phuctoringz [12:43]
asciilifeform: and ours - didn't [12:43]
trinque: ok, I can move my knob to 20 [12:49]
trinque: done [12:50]
deedbot: [Btc Alpha Blog] Betting BitBet Both Ways - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Btc Alpha Blog] A Year of S.MPOE - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-year-of-s-mpoe/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Btc Alpha Blog] BitBet Affiliate Ad - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-affiliate-ad/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Btc Alpha Blog] A New Investment Fund - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-investment-fund/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Buffet Problems - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/24/buffet-problems/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Qntra: Nearly a month in - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/qntra-nearly-a-month-in/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] ATC Closing Statement - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] BBWAA Awards Predictions - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/ [12:53]
deedbot: [Loper OS] Comrade Ogilvy Nakamoto. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468 [12:53]
deedbot: [Loper OS] Trilema 2014 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1475 [12:53]
deedbot: [Loper OS] Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482 [12:53]
trinque: d'oh [12:59]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [14:15]
asciilifeform: 61.216.2.15 - - [24/May/2016:18:09:53 +0000] "\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x0 [14:15]
asciilifeform: 1\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01 [14:15]
asciilifeform: \x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01" 400 173 "-" "-" "-" [14:15]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471349 << funny. but no. selling shares in what you pretend to be a business and then setting that on fire however does open you to liability. because your job as a principal is to act in the best interest of the shareholders. that's the only criteria. the ONLY criteria. [14:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:23 jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing! [14:15]
mircea_popescu: and if you diverge from it, no matter how you justify the divergence to yourself, or to a random mob of uninvolved bystanders, you'll be held for it. [14:15]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja catch him sellin' or conjecture ? [14:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're discussing a general matter here, afaik ? [14:16]
mircea_popescu: you know, what every derpy socialist ever says, once his idiocy blows up. "i only meant well", as if that somehow provides immunity. [14:16]
mircea_popescu: what ceausescu died embracing, and each and every of 'em idiots to date. "they meant well" and left a hole behind. [14:17]
asciilifeform: aha but iirc it began with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471297 [14:17]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:59 mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr. [14:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's total deposit covered an account creation. whatever he has, he has from selling bitbet, logically. [14:18]
asciilifeform: from bbet ipo, according to him [14:18]
mircea_popescu: ipo = selling shares last i checked. [14:18]
asciilifeform: tru! [14:18]
mircea_popescu: so then. [14:18]
asciilifeform: but this is slightly different from 'i'ma sell it all then pull the plug, haha' [14:18]
mircea_popescu: how ? [14:19]
asciilifeform: yearz of working as described on box ? [14:19]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [14:19]
jurov: so, he had the premeditated plan of selling them and then waiting for a year to pull the plug? [14:19]
mircea_popescu: "the car worked fine until itblew up, producer not liable" [14:20]
mircea_popescu: jurov what difference would it make ? [14:20]
mircea_popescu: forget this entire "what derp meant to do". it's uninteresting. derp's judged on what he did. and if i'm to pay ~20 btc which nobody disputes i actually spent, because that's how the stars alligned, kakobrekla can sure as fuck pay ~2k btc that some think he earned, because that's how the stars lined up. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: davout set the precedent in, dangerous as it may be, we're now with it. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: he is, of course, idemnified as per contract to "amt actually realised". which is, to date, 670 btc and change, so there is that. [14:22]
trinque: there seems to be pervasive confusion as to what interacting as peers *means* [14:22]
trinque: as though the forum is to play the role of centralized mob-judge [14:22]
mircea_popescu: kinda why i'm entertaining the whole nonsense, supposed to be educative. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471359 << also supposed to be educative, if nothing else. [14:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:28 asciilifeform: it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people. [14:26]
asciilifeform: this, surely [14:26]
asciilifeform: anal education, in some cases, with spikes [14:26]
mircea_popescu: generally, recall, at the fucking time all this got started, the same "community" of imbeciles that had "forum bankers" and whatever the fuck, ALSO had "glbse" and "investments". [14:26]
mircea_popescu: yeah well, education is a square built off a line that reads "beatings" [14:27]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471379 << no, we don't. we have the situation where kakobrekla destroyed 2-3k btc of shareholder value, and the reasonable, at least to my eyes, civil claim against him by the victims. [14:28]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:39 jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances [14:28]
mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter that mirabilis item, the bitbet ex-shareholder that thinks kakobrekla helped him. and that's that. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471380 << the notion that kakobrekla had anything to be impounded is entirely based on kakobrekla's pretense, which is both late and contradictory to his own earlier statements. see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471274 [14:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 15:52 mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely [14:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 16:40 jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded [14:30]
mircea_popescu: this claim is not at any point considered or lent any credence by discussion of the shareholder claim item above. it's dead weight, and it won't be rescued by trying to tack it on to actual substantial issues. [14:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kako's pov was ' mircea_popescu killed the value by sending 0fee ' [14:34]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's appears to be ' kako killed bbet by not kowtowing ' [14:34]
asciilifeform: is there method to pick b/w these 2 other than 'which fella i like moar' [14:34]
mircea_popescu: bullshit. next time someone "saves" you from having to pay a 20 btc heating bill by burning down your house, call it kakologic. [14:35]
mircea_popescu: there's a very fucking obvious method. money. [14:35]
asciilifeform: house is gone, point [14:36]
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a lot of wisdom fruits in all this for the general reader. [14:36]
mircea_popescu: somehow the very distant ballas criticism of the "single issue independent" doesn't strike home, unless we sit on the ruined remnants of the house. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: every dork thinks himself the main character in his own game, and somehow to be saved by divine providence just as long as he sticks to "his principles". [14:37]
mircea_popescu: well... [14:37]
mircea_popescu: reality ain't dork paradise. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: (and for the record : superman irl would last for about a week, before all the bills for torn down walls and destroyed cars would put him away permanently. seems important to have this in the fucking record omfg.) [14:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who exactly puts superman anywhere he dun want to be ? [14:40]
mircea_popescu: right. [14:40]
* asciilifeform mostly ignorant of the story, but isn't that sorta what his life is about ? [14:40]
mircea_popescu: no, pointedly not. because it's surogate fiction for castrated 1950s boys. [14:41]
mircea_popescu: so the story is not at all about this it's all about how it could be this, and then becauser it could be, it's ok that it isn't, and so he's "law abiding" [14:41]
mircea_popescu: well, civil judgement's good law, pay up. [14:41]
solrodar: mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you confiscated kako's mpex account on behalf of the shareholders and not just yourself [15:00]
solrodar: I look forward to hearing how you will distribute the proceeds to them [15:00]
mircea_popescu: your reading's a thing of wonder. [15:00]
solrodar: is that not what you just said? [15:02]
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight << Nah, Chicagoland is basically anti-Bingolandia [15:12]
deedbot: [Qntra] Bruce Fenton (WOT:nonperson) Tries Raising Dead - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bruce-fenton-wotnonperson-tries-raising-dead/ [15:52]
mircea_popescu: heh. [16:00]
deedbot: [Trilema] The Woman in the Window - http://trilema.com/2016/the-woman-in-the-window/ [16:16]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/100e79b85b14b0f4ae481d9adffc46e8/tumblr_mxqk0yw9Pi1stt4xmo1_1280.jpg [16:41]
asciilifeform: 'The purpose of this email was to solicit input / advice from core [client fork] Devs and to let them know that the Bitcoin Foundation feels we represent all of Bitcoin including all of Core [client fork] and that we would welcome help and input.' << trololol! [16:49]
* BingoBoingo inserted the "[client fork]" clarifications [16:55]
asciilifeform: i can see [16:56]
shinohai: thx BingoBoingo [17:07]
deedbot: [Qntra] Ken Starr (WOT:nonperson) Changes Tune On Clintons AND Sex Scandal Cover Ups - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ken-starr-wotnonperson-changes-tune-on-clintons-and-sex-scandal-cover-ups/ [17:19]
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/American's/America's/ [17:22]
BingoBoingo: fxd,ty [17:23]
BingoBoingo: In other lulz: "Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the com [17:29]
BingoBoingo: pany's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recomm [17:29]
BingoBoingo: end using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines." [17:29]
BingoBoingo: ftr [17:30]
shinohai: ^ saw that this morning, lulzy [17:36]
shinohai: "Google's Paris HQ raided in tax probe" [17:40]
BingoBoingo: writing it up [17:42]
deedbot: [Qntra] Nth French Republic Raids Local Google Outpost - http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/ [17:48]
mircea_popescu: so basically, if feminists tell it to get fucked, facebook does change its mind. [17:51]
mircea_popescu: tsk tsk. [17:51]
mircea_popescu: from now on, this is the bar. facebook is held to do the exact same if i say so. because why the fuck not. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite. [17:52]
mircea_popescu: criminalize being fat, decriminalize rape. then criminalize talking back, decriminalize domestic beatings. and keep going until female prison population === male prison population [17:53]
mircea_popescu: and we'll be bitching about how nominal equality, ie, 3 mn each, hides the fact that there's 2% more women so there should really be more, exactly in the manner they derp today about how women don't work as long, so they make less. [17:54]
mircea_popescu: equality wtf. [17:54]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471496 << the 'mra' derps, who tried to copy feminism, even created a name - 'glass cellar' - for 'why must garbage men and thieves be male!111' [17:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 21:52 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite. [17:55]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [17:59]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [17:59]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.16, vol: 3109.91508125 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.779, vol: 4963.7593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.87, vol: 8566.592525829999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.033246, vol: 24843.18730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.675, vol: 1396.31921768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.8682, vol: 37.97473541 | Volume-weighted last average: 449.454204169 [17:59]
gribble: Current Blocks: 413286 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [17:59]
asciilifeform: later tell mircea_popescu y'know how 'with aeons even death may die' ? sometimes opposite, shit that just won't die: http://dannybrewster.com/blog [18:10]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [18:10]
asciilifeform: ^ mega-'heroes' from 2014 ride even today. [18:11]
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Approaches 200 Trillion After 2.6 Percent Rise - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-difficulty-approaches-200-trillion-after-2-6-percent-rise/ [18:55]
mircea_popescu: lmao [19:26]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rather well researched too, the half life of average "bitcoin community"-tard is just about 15 months. [19:27]
mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853ab86e4118f5bc7b04535d6d230fce/tumblr_mz9oz7YRYE1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg [19:33]
BingoBoingo: Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html [19:41]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471513 << reminds me of far more interesting case in 17th c where some chick had dead rabbits stuffed in uterus and 'birthed' them [19:53]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 23:41 BingoBoingo: Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html [19:53]
asciilifeform: see if you can find [19:54]
asciilifeform: i bet mircea_popescu knows the incident... [19:54]
BingoBoingo: But that's old news and rabbits are adorable. Chihuaua is basically rat. [19:54]
mircea_popescu: nope. [19:55]
BingoBoingo: tldr Bitch shoved a bunch of bunnies in her cunny [19:57]
trinque: fucking weirdo primates [20:02]
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k [20:03]
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a pretty decent way to drive people up the wall, as an angry teenager. [20:03]
mircea_popescu: fill your cunt with newborn rats, take panties off in class [20:03]
ben_vulpes: > 7,000 dollar bond [20:20]
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