Forum logs for 23 Nov 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: it will. << this thing is awesome btw! [02:23]
mats: [05:47]
shinohai: Been a bad year for the US Navy [05:48]
mats: can't wait to see what 2017 has in store for DoD [05:56]
shinohai: A Trumpreich DoD should provide a steady stream of entertaining lulz no doubt. [06:00]
mircea_popescu: trinque the whores are ok. the "elites"... not so much. [07:27]
mircea_popescu: mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are. [07:28]
mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship. [07:28]
davout: <<< no [08:08]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell davout is your www down ? [08:08]
deedbot: << Qntra - US Celebration Of Consumerism Begins [09:29]
asciilifeform: << eh it isn't as if panama were a sovereign country. usg takes what it wants there, incl. presidents [09:36]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship. [09:36]
asciilifeform: (noriega is still rotting in american jail) [09:36]
asciilifeform: sorta why chinese canal is supposedly in the works (iirc -- in nicaragua, under protection of cn navy) [09:37]
asciilifeform: << from same fishwrap [09:38]
asciilifeform: 'People in the myriad “alt-right” communities that have flourished online in recent years are also expressing their displeasure that Trump appears to have abandoned the most extreme of his policies – at least for now – such as building a wall and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.' [09:39]
asciilifeform: !#s zhirinovsky [09:39]
a111: 18 results for "zhirinovsky", [09:39]
shinohai: Why build wall when Mexicans will just continue to play dig-dug. [09:40]
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'wall' was a catch-all name for the (economically impossible) notion of bringing back 1952 [09:41]
asciilifeform: where white folk work in factories, on farms, etc. [09:42]
asciilifeform: ditto the 'bring J0BZZZ!!!! back from china' thing [09:43]
asciilifeform: (how many american folx are ready to pay $500,000 for a 'ford' ?) [09:43]
mircea_popescu: ohohoh 1k pss from ord [09:44]
asciilifeform: that's approx. (~very~ conservative estimate!) what it would cost if it were made with 0 chinese input. [09:44]
mircea_popescu: whoops lol [09:44]
asciilifeform: lel i was about to ask, what's a pss and where is ord [09:45]
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1050 * 262 * 2.2 [09:47]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1050 * 262 * 2.2 = 605220 [09:47]
mircea_popescu: ^ almost a bitcent. really a bitcent if premiums are included. [09:47]
asciilifeform: in other ( ) lulz, 'When you take a look at the implementation of /dev/random in [freebsd] 11.0 you will notice that with the support of the new random algorithms (fortuna has replaced yarrow), there is also support to feed the entropy with a write call to /dev/random. The 10.x releases do not support this write call. The man page previously said for 10.3 that writes will be silently ignored and in the 11.0 m [10:14]
asciilifeform: an page this passage has been removed.' [10:14]
asciilifeform: SILENTLY IGNORED, gold [10:14]
asciilifeform: ( and in case anyone forgot, the above is to be seen in light of ) [10:15]
mircea_popescu: heh [10:16]
asciilifeform: btw if anyone is looking for something to do, getting hold of a copy of diddled freebsd and generating several hundred thousand ssh and pgp keys, would be spiffy [10:16]
* asciilifeform has been planning to do this for most of a year now, but has not enough hands [10:16]
BingoBoingo: In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee [10:19]
mircea_popescu: lmao [10:19]
mircea_popescu: once a refugee... [10:19]
BingoBoingo: The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis... [10:20]
BingoBoingo: Well settled isn't right word [10:20]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: looks like some folks may have generated ssl certs this way, too... [10:21]
Framedragger: would be nice to run a netcraft-like service which observes all searchable internet's certificates.. [10:21]
Framedragger: /me dreams [10:21]
mircea_popescu: not even that expensive. [10:24]
BingoBoingo: ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor. [10:25]
BingoBoingo: brb [10:25]
trinque: Framedragger: it'd be a step towards a republican search engine too [10:29]
mircea_popescu: eep. [10:30]
trinque: something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful [10:31]
trinque: decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit [10:32]
Framedragger: i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too.. [10:35]
mircea_popescu: aha [10:36]
mircea_popescu: google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here. [10:36]
trinque: given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs" [10:39]
trinque: unfairness makes the world so manageable [10:39]
Framedragger: trinque: L2 here means two edges away from logs? [10:46]
trinque: correct [10:49]
mircea_popescu: in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE [10:51]
mircea_popescu: and obviously signed:mp&signed:alf or signed:mp||signed:alf etc [10:51]
mircea_popescu: just make a special field "readworthy" in your dns. [10:52]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former? [10:53]
mircea_popescu: nah works just like !!rate. currently someone pops in, people !!up him, if he's not obnoxious gets a courtesy rating or two. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy [10:53]
mircea_popescu: or two [10:53]
Framedragger: ah right. [10:54]
mircea_popescu: give trinque 's idea a bit of a kick, basically. just because something was mentioned here doesn't automatically mean it's worth reading though it IS a sign it exists. [10:55]
Framedragger: the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner or, there's a separate service / storage thing. [10:55]
mircea_popescu: so that way you can more finely weigh the sites. [10:55]
trinque: << and it would satisfy this perfectly. [10:56]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free [10:56]
mircea_popescu: quite so [10:56]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: gns is not dns it will hold any symbols you realise. [10:56]
Framedragger: sure [10:57]
Framedragger: so it'd just be another name [10:57]
mircea_popescu: so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me. [10:57]
Framedragger: (btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!) [10:58]
mircea_popescu: i don't think it does. i just say it should. [10:58]
Framedragger: yeah, i mean, sounds good. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: whole piece of shit is a repugnant midden of magic crap [10:59]
mircea_popescu: that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind. [10:59]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: you know what'd happen if women had no legs ? all sidewalks would be covered in slime lines. but do you know what happened once plebs were taught to read ? all fucking code is covered in slime lines. [11:00]
asciilifeform: ^ [11:00]
Framedragger: heh. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger right, same difference. [11:01]
Framedragger: right, convention. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey. [11:02]
mircea_popescu: then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = and goodreads = whatever [11:03]
mircea_popescu: and so on. [11:03]
asciilifeform: naggum had some imho interesting detail re 'magic numbers', and how they are not born from empty space, but are gangrenously oozed eternally by pathologically misdesigned systems where operator is FORCED to lie about foreknowledge of field sizes, types, etc. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works [11:03]
mircea_popescu: plus we want something to work wth cs too [11:03]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and he was right. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually. [11:04]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)? [11:05]
mircea_popescu: yes, i see no problem with that. [11:05]
mircea_popescu: make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later. [11:06]
Framedragger: i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous". [11:06]
asciilifeform: 'as they are now' is catastrophically braindamaged [11:07]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i don't follow ? [11:07]
mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you. [11:07]
mircea_popescu: same principle. [11:07]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous.. [11:08]
Framedragger: aha sure [11:08]
Framedragger: so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: pretty much. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: !!register CocksCocksBallsCocks [11:08]
deedbot: mircea_popescu is already registered. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: :p [11:09]
trinque: ahahaha [11:09]
Framedragger: sounds pretty neat! [11:09]
trinque: oh wait [11:09]
mircea_popescu: lol [11:09]
Framedragger: "something terrible has happened" [11:09]
mircea_popescu: this ranks way up there in the top 10 machine humour incidents [11:09]
Framedragger: *mircea_popescu now permanently known as CocksCocksBallsCocks* [11:09]
mircea_popescu: !~echo the shrieker shrieks [11:09]
jhvh1: the shrieker shrieks [11:09]
asciilifeform: btw 'fingerprint' is a enough of a catastrophic retardation that it deserves own thread [11:09]
mircea_popescu: yeah it'll have to be fixed. [11:10]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hence why you invented your own fp scheme for phuctor, right.. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone seriously proposes it can work. [11:10]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor's scheme is sufficient for distinguishing pgp keys with same moduli but variant metafields from one another, and for no other purpose. [11:10]
Framedragger: right. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: this problem is harder than you realise, because eg, you don't know what publishing hash(privkey) leaks. [11:11]
asciilifeform: it is quite inappropriate for battlefield pubkeys. [11:11]
asciilifeform: why the fuck would you ever hash a privkey [11:11]
mircea_popescu: because thatg's the only way you're guaranteed to not have the current gpg problem [11:11]
mircea_popescu: where "something changes" but same hash [11:11]
asciilifeform: if you must hash something, you hash pubkey [11:12]
mircea_popescu: gah. [11:12]
asciilifeform: (rsa pubkeys are one-to-one with privkeys) [11:12]
mircea_popescu: with a few irrelevant exceptions. [11:12]
asciilifeform: degenerates [11:12]
mircea_popescu: i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%. [11:13]
asciilifeform: but here's my cut of the knot: HASH LOCALLY [11:13]
mircea_popescu: now, trade-offs that are reasonable can be made etc. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: well of course locally ? or what do you mean ? [11:13]
Framedragger: did someone say DEGENERATES? [11:13]
asciilifeform: pubkey hashes are 'for in the harem' and not 'for in the forum'. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: no i wasn't about to send pubkeys to freeonlinehashes.foryou [11:13]
asciilifeform: i will carefully work out example: [11:14]
asciilifeform: tmsrttp://6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/trilema/foo.html is imho wrong. [11:14]
asciilifeform: 'key fingerprint' is a broken concept. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: gns:// plox [11:14]
asciilifeform: it cannot be fixed. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns:// [11:15]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument re it being broken. point is - it exists, and can't be trivially fucked for now, so until replacement is made, can be used. [11:15]
mircea_popescu: in point of fact - it IS used. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace. [11:16]
asciilifeform: i say to replace it meaningfully, you gotta let go of the fundamental braindamage at the root of it. [11:16]
asciilifeform: nope. of PUBKEY [11:16]
asciilifeform: not a proctustization of same. [11:16]
asciilifeform: *procrust [11:16]
asciilifeform: do business with PUBKEYS, not FPs. [11:16]
mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 1 i tell you it's by fp [11:16]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [11:16]
asciilifeform: remains -- lame. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp. [11:17]
asciilifeform: and earlier by fleanode nick. because it imported the broken concepts of the empire. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: found the "pubkey" entry, encrypted to it. [11:17]
asciilifeform: one of them being - the fp. [11:17]
asciilifeform: it is promisetronic. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: yes well, to clean a room you gotta at some point stand on dirty floor. [11:18]
asciilifeform: global indices of 'memorable' names, or 'safely' shortened rsa pubkeys, are promisetronic. [11:18]
mircea_popescu: trinque would you be capable to migrate to indexing by pubkey numeric value ? [11:18]
asciilifeform: the only ~protocolic~ answer is to do business with pubkeys. now you ~can~ shorten them 'in the harem' [11:18]
mircea_popescu: he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be [11:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu can still key in 'trilema' in his browser. but his nic will spit out entire pubkey. [11:19]
trinque: mircea_popescu: if this is something I can jam into gpg at each call [11:19]
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it. [11:19]
trinque: or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding [11:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'pgpdump' will extract handily. [11:19]
asciilifeform: from ordinary rfc2440/4880 key. [11:19]
asciilifeform: ditto phuctor. [11:19]
trinque: and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages [11:20]
Framedragger: jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess [11:20]
mircea_popescu: it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem. [11:20]
asciilifeform: btw when 'p' is out i will show folks who want to keep their old moduli, how [11:20]
asciilifeform: (it isn't hard) [11:20]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that's definitely getting replaced. [11:20]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they are, and 'p' shoots it in the head. [11:21]
Framedragger: sure. [11:21]
* Framedragger also wonders about pure rsa performance. guess we'll see :) [11:21]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: most of the time folks spend 'waiting for rsa' in, e.g., gnupg, is spent waiting for the idiot /dev/random [11:22]
trinque: sometimes people can think of two, even three fruits at a time! [11:22]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you don't believe this, go, profile it, see. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: moreover not all fruits are blocking and some things are just good hygiene at low cost [11:22]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random? [11:23]
mircea_popescu: not on freebsd at any rate. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: or was it debian. [11:23]
mircea_popescu: o wait... [11:23]
asciilifeform: if yer /dev/random is fed by intel crapolade, then also [11:23]
asciilifeform: or if whitened (is there a linux kernel where it isn't..?) [11:24]
asciilifeform: or, or. [11:24]
Framedragger: aha [11:24]
Framedragger: << just a lulzy headline [11:28]
Framedragger: (ah discard the selection) [11:28]
Framedragger: << tbh doesn't sound right to me, the :// specifies a transport level protocol - so that i could do http:// or ftp:// or gopher:// [11:33]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns:// [11:33]
Framedragger: (but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.) [11:34]
mircea_popescu: yeah it wasn't serious. [11:36]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, [11:47]
* asciilifeform initially assumed 'early april fool joke' but the thing shows symptoms of actually existing... [11:47]
shinohai: Where `ICO` = " Initial Cask Offering " [11:48]
asciilifeform: the concept ought to be carried to its logical conclusion -- e.g., why limit to 'high end' whisky, why not also give option to invest in rotgut 'penny stocks' [11:50]
asciilifeform: which no doubt will flower as usa collapse marches on [11:50]
asciilifeform: 'i'd like 10,000 shares of Night Train plox' [11:50]
asciilifeform: '5,000 of Wild Southern Rose plz' [11:50]
* shinohai would buy Night Train shares [11:51]
asciilifeform: 'When the economy collapses, hard-drinking people everywhere find all the more reason to get drunk, but much less wherewithal with which to procure drink. In Russia, innovative market-based solutions were quickly improvised, which it was my privilege to observe. ' << orlov's megaclassic, [11:52]
mircea_popescu: lmao wtf. [11:54]
shinohai: Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win. [11:55]
asciilifeform: << lel from BingoBoingo's old link [12:00]
Framedragger: heheh they have a kind of solvency 'proof' - "How? The audit shows you the full list of WhiskyInvestDirect's user records. You will see that these public records contain your correct balances." - [12:04]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it appears to be run by folx who did 'allocated gold' etc. [12:04]
Framedragger: good stuff! [12:05]
asciilifeform: in fact, i found the link in a spam from 'bullionvault', to which i was once a subscriber [12:05]
asciilifeform: they had very similar promisetron where you could 'view all of the balances' [12:06]
Framedragger: heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice [12:07]
shinohai: [12:07]
asciilifeform: lul [12:08]
Framedragger: << no bother at all / get better soon! [13:56]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed [13:56]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the 'cut the balls' link is a riotous lul btw [13:57]
Framedragger: oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire) [13:57]
mircea_popescu: which is that one ? [14:01]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: slavoj žižek [14:03]
Framedragger: [14:03]
mircea_popescu: o [14:03]
* mircea_popescu is in a no video zone [14:03]
Framedragger: ^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol) [14:05]
Framedragger: !#s pervert's guide to ideology [14:05]
a111: 0 results for "pervert's guide to ideology",'s%20guide%20to%20ideology [14:05]
Framedragger: ^ decent flick of his [14:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was just a song, 'gotta cut their balls, cut their balls' [14:05]
Framedragger: oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for) [14:06]
Framedragger: ..ah: [14:07]
mircea_popescu: lol! [14:08]
mircea_popescu: wow i totally trashed this. [14:09]
mircea_popescu: can you read it ? [14:09]
Framedragger: no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist.. [14:11]
Framedragger: (i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..) [14:11]
mircea_popescu: ima translate it, why not. brb. [14:12]
deedbot: << Trilema - The imbecile, philosophy and cinematography [15:40]
Framedragger: ^ nice! veri greitful fuor yor translašn. -eastern yuropean guy [15:48]
asciilifeform: lul [15:48]
mircea_popescu: lmao [15:49]
mircea_popescu: i trust it works better than google. [15:50]
Framedragger: quite so! it does. [15:51]
Framedragger: i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things... [15:53]
shinohai: Google translate is why r/btc misinterprets miners as saying "Suck Roger Ver's cock" [15:53]
mats: << you saying the panamanians are going to confiscate a USN ship? [15:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship. [15:54]
mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn. [15:55]
mircea_popescu: nobody wants the fucking ship. [15:55]
ben_vulpes: water in the power transmission bearings this time [15:55]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident. [15:56]
ben_vulpes: using highly radioactive polywater! [15:56]
mats: no no, its the chinese [15:56]
mircea_popescu: saddam hussein had wmds. [15:56]
mats: god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible [15:57]
mats: xenophobia is the motherfucking answer! [15:57]
mircea_popescu: the global warming consensus is that jews did wtc. [15:58]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory" [15:59]
asciilifeform: speaking of world's largest and least defensible golden toilets, << very very speshul one, public only recently [16:13]
asciilifeform: 'flying pentagon' [16:13]
asciilifeform: ^ film was, it seems, taken by some unnamed official given 'vip tour', includes everything from toilets, bedrooms, to 'sooper seekrit' knobs etc. [16:14]
mats: interesting [16:17]
asciilifeform: << 1 shell for the mega-cannon probably costs 5mil. and a reload of all of the toilet paper holders on board -- perhaps the full 10. [16:17]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why they're gonna pay. [16:18]
ben_vulpes: the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place [16:19]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the pictured plane -- there are supposedly ~four~ of [16:23]
mats: hes probably referring to the f-35 [16:24]
asciilifeform: possibly. the ultimate platinum-iridium-diamond toilet. [16:24]
ben_vulpes: mats has it [16:24]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that monster flies, though [16:24]
asciilifeform: iirc f35 also knew how to fly. for short bursts. [16:24]
ben_vulpes: knew? [16:25]
asciilifeform: well it was sold as a 'software-controlled, smart' whateverthefuck [16:25]
asciilifeform: intrinsically-unstable surfaces, or what was it. [16:25]
mats: too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own [16:26]
mats: that'd complete the trifecta [16:26]
asciilifeform: mats: how about war-in-afghan? [16:27]
asciilifeform: or not project-enough. [16:27]
mircea_popescu: really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks [16:27]
ben_vulpes: the v8 donkey! [16:27]
mircea_popescu: god knows us military stole everything else from georg lucas [16:27]
mats: lol [16:27]
asciilifeform: aha! and was in fact described in j. sladek's (1980s) 'tiktok' [16:28]
mircea_popescu: imagine you know, a 200mn a piece, 500 ton bipedal battle tank [16:28]
asciilifeform: army wanted too! so build a land carrier. [16:28]
asciilifeform: on wheels. [16:28]
mircea_popescu: easily defeated by swamps, thunderstorms etc. [16:28]
asciilifeform: which then broke down. [16:28]
ben_vulpes: in other trumpargentwat/international great again: [16:34]
mats: [16:34]
ben_vulpes: given how tight-lipped nyc has traditionally been with "pushed onto tracks" numbers, "rash" is unjustified. [16:35]
mats: [16:36]
mats: this white nationalism stuff is entertaining++ [16:36]
mats: 'forgive yourself' [16:36]
asciilifeform: what does mats recommend instead - wagner+cyanide ? [16:37]
trinque: so communist... "American President-Elect is in trouble for trying to make money with his legal business!" [16:39]
mats: asciilifeform: i like the sound of that [16:41]
asciilifeform: trinque: see, he forgot to declare it a FOUNDATION... then it'd be a-ok [16:41]
asciilifeform: esp if he were named clinton [16:42]
ben_vulpes: 501c3's show profit nao? [16:42]
asciilifeform: lol profit [16:42]
mats: the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous [16:43]
asciilifeform: so long as the books sum to 0, can have luxury hookers made of caviar at the foot of every golden toilet in the office [16:43]
ben_vulpes: what if one has enough of those [16:43]
asciilifeform: iirc the thing one does when 'enough of those' is to eat one's shotgun [16:44]
asciilifeform: (see kobain et al) [16:44]
ben_vulpes: perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?) [16:44]
asciilifeform: or this. thiel et al. [16:44]
ben_vulpes: non profit does not serve this case of 'enough of those'. [16:45]
ben_vulpes: 'non profit' [16:45]
trinque: this altnazi vid narrator sounds fat as shit. [16:45]
* ben_vulpes could not get sound to happen [16:45]
asciilifeform: somebody wake up BingoBoingo [16:46]
asciilifeform: i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' [16:46]
ben_vulpes: haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well? [16:47]
ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'? [16:47]
* ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere [16:50]
* ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately [16:50]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in your view, where ought they to fight ? [16:51]
asciilifeform: against pashtuns in afghan, to help keep cia heroin corridor into ru open ? [16:51]
ben_vulpes: kinda their problem not mine [16:51]
asciilifeform: 'where to fight' is problem above the expendable muppet's pay grade. [16:52]
ben_vulpes: and so they're stuck being the third generation down. [16:52]
asciilifeform: if there isn't a lenin, the answer will be 'against orcs, in world of orcraft' [16:52]
shinohai: I find it hilarious Trump chose Ben Carson as HUD Secretary [16:55]
ben_vulpes: orly? [16:55]
ben_vulpes: yeah that's rich [16:56]
trinque: I guess it has "urban" in it [16:56]
ben_vulpes: put the black dude in charge of the projects [16:56]
shinohai: keks [16:56]
ben_vulpes: makes this real fucked up kind of sense [16:56]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r [16:57]
mircea_popescu: eal estate bubble actually pops. [16:57]
mircea_popescu: so no, there's nothing there. [16:57]
ben_vulpes: quite [16:58]
ben_vulpes: see: "trumpargenwat" [16:58]
mircea_popescu: this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not". [16:58]
shinohai: This from a guy who said "I'm totally not interested in serving in Trumpreich" just days ago. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: anway - you can buy buenos aires buildings at judicial auction for a few mil. not like it's some sort of uber big deal. [16:59]
trinque: shinohai: by now it should be clear that nothing anyone says in that world matters tomorrow [16:59]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty. [17:00]
mircea_popescu: fat constricts ballsac and airways. [17:00]
asciilifeform: did everybody miss last night's 'mr.t kowtows to nyt and disavows 'extremists' etc.' thing ? [17:01]
mircea_popescu: not what i read there. [17:01]
asciilifeform: << btw this does not always work. worked for, e.g., su 1941-45, but not, say germany, in same. or, say, britain ww1. the latter two -- culled the wrong 8. [17:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 21:47 ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'? [17:11]
mircea_popescu: easier for su, any 8/10 just as good. [17:11]
asciilifeform: it wasn't 'any' tho [17:12]
asciilifeform: paradoxically, getting invaded and decimated -- is pretty good for 'you' (as biomaterial) [17:12]
asciilifeform: it is the 'just wanteds' who get nailed, slightly preferentially. [17:12]
ben_vulpes: better chances than thumbing ass and praying [17:13]
asciilifeform: 'pray for asteroid' -- orlol [17:13]
ben_vulpes: nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page. [17:22]
ben_vulpes: [17:23]
mircea_popescu: "SULZBERGER: I thought maybe I’d start this off by asking if you have anything you would like to start this off with before we move to" aaaaand i lost interest. [17:41]
mircea_popescu: fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena. [17:41]
ben_vulpes: what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'? [17:43]
mircea_popescu: ~nothing tbh. did i miss out much ? [17:43]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop" [17:43]
ben_vulpes: yeah that [17:44]
ben_vulpes: hmk [17:44]
mircea_popescu: wasn't aware this is particularly controversial. [17:44]
ben_vulpes: just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here [17:45]
asciilifeform: sparing clitler is no longer 'controversial' ? [17:58]
asciilifeform: or 'keeping open mind' on 'climate change' treaty [17:59]
asciilifeform: or reconsidering THE WALL [17:59]
asciilifeform: or, or. [17:59]
asciilifeform: '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...' [17:59]
trinque: the guy went to pedo island just like bill [18:03]
trinque: CIA/NSA probably already neutered him a while ago [18:03]
asciilifeform: trinque: are you familiar with zhirinovsky ? [18:03]
trinque: I am not. [18:04]
asciilifeform: ru version of mr.t. 'created' in '91 when kpss decided to permit 'the first second political party' [18:04]
asciilifeform: but never quite went out of business, continues on as a kind of rush limbaugh [18:04]
asciilifeform: 'lightning rod', if you will. [18:05]
trinque: aha, sounds just like it. [18:05]
asciilifeform: the spencer d00d is a product of same machine [18:06]
asciilifeform: a walking zero, with 0 ideas, no oratory ability, etc. but with audience and zog media exposure because ~selected~ to work as flytrap. [18:07]
shinohai: !!up Dog1 [18:08]
deedbot: Dog1 voiced for 30 minutes. [18:08]
Dog1: So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on. [18:11]
trinque: we were waiting for you to get here. [18:12]
shinohai: You just caught the tail ... if you wanna catch up [18:12]
shinohai: Sorry [18:12]
asciilifeform: now where's Dog2. [18:12]
asciilifeform: cannot work without 2,3,4. [18:13]
asciilifeform: sled -- needs 4. [18:13]
Dog3: I am Doge [18:13]
Framedragger: in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you* [18:13]
trinque: Dog3: I didn't vote for you [18:13]
Dog1: well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL [18:14]
mircea_popescu: god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high. [18:15]
Dog1: and the rest of the pack will be around in time [18:15]
mircea_popescu: holy shit netflix is worse than mtv. [18:15]
ben_vulpes: trinque: oblig mug i grew up drinking out of [18:15]
shinohai: I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable [18:15]
ben_vulpes: << this one in particular [18:16]
Dog1: got me [18:16]
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh, I was making a roundabout monty python reference [18:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant specifically the "naxi salute ppl are ridoinculous" bit re the "sparing hillary" thing the official excuse is [18:18]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, hes not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't. [18:18]
Dog1: Once again shinohai are you done with that universal translator yet [18:19]
trinque: someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence [18:19]
shinohai: Dog1: jhvh1 has google translate [18:20]
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno. [18:20]
asciilifeform: argument is that this movie is a rerun of jimmy carter election, where the man promised to 'show the aliens', or obummer, who promised 'legalize dope', etc. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: well it is a us election thingee. [18:21]
Dog1: Pick the worst of two evils [18:22]
mircea_popescu: the dispute around that event centers on "alf : he can't win mp: lol of course he will", ain't gonna transmute into an "alf:dun matter that he won". [18:22]
asciilifeform: each d00d sits down at the blinkenlights panel and starts playing with knobs, and notices that they are mostly not connected to anything and the ones that are, if he starts twiddling, Nice Polite Folx show up and gently tell him that he must stop, or There Will Be Problems. [18:22]
mircea_popescu: of course it dun matter, it's a broken ikea replica of an engine. [18:23]
Dog1: Alf likes Cats [18:23]
mircea_popescu: Dog1 who are you again ? [18:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like we agree on that one [18:23]
Dog1: just a traveller [18:23]
asciilifeform: lemme guess, vex is back [18:23]
mircea_popescu: !!down Dog1 [18:23]
mircea_popescu: come back as a useful something. [18:23]
* asciilifeform assumed that it was trinque's drinking mate or such [18:24]
mircea_popescu: was it ? [18:24]
shinohai: Eulorian [18:24]
trinque: I never heard of him [18:24]
mircea_popescu: not in #eulora ? [18:24]
mircea_popescu: trinque that's kinda the thing, everyone tends to assume such things because why risk offending friend of lord. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: prolly should be standing policy to actually announce such situations. [18:25]
trinque: << I guess this wasn't dry enough, lol [18:26]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 23:12 trinque: we were waiting for you to get here. [18:26]
trinque: guy comes in asking to be entertained [18:27]
shinohai: Entropy works in mysterious wayz [18:27]
shinohai: Trump look-alikes rejoice [18:38]
ben_vulpes: trump claims he'll file notice to withdraw from the tpp [19:21]
ben_vulpes: probably old news, but [19:21]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2250...9729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [20:00]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2425...8041 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [20:10]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...4289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [20:10]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2222...7649 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [20:10]
shinohai: Argentina! [20:11]
mircea_popescu: 4 different ones too [20:48]
shinohai: Phuctor practices diversity [20:49]
mircea_popescu: and in other news, the pink room : [20:50]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very fat people indeed sound fat [20:51]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty. << AHA, not to mention low airflow! [20:52]
mircea_popescu: aha. [20:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ? [20:53]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...' << He won that vote. Now has to win December vote still. [20:54]
asciilifeform: << it is good to see the ip here [21:19]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-24 01:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ? [21:19]
mircea_popescu: yeah. [21:20]
mircea_popescu: esp as there was no guarantee you'd get the whole mod anyway. [21:20]
asciilifeform: geoestimator thing such as the one kako had would be also neat, but i dun have one handy [21:20]
asciilifeform: and hah, a ru ip [21:21]
asciilifeform: not so many of these to date. [21:22]
* asciilifeform bbl -- meat! [21:22]
mats: << syrians build technical out of 19th century artillery piece and flatbed truck [21:35]
mats: it reminds me of how the communists dug up caches of muskets buried by the ming [21:42]
phf: (in totally unrelated news, if you hover over the xref arrows in the log, the tooltip will show you corresponding entry. not very useful in the back link because the bot quotes, but handy in forward link. wanted to add that feature for a while..) [21:48]
mircea_popescu: nice [21:49]
Framedragger: ahh nice. (actually i got used to opening new tabs for xrefs so i think people will actually look at hover text..) [21:49]
shinohai: !~display [22:04]
jhvh1: shinohai: {'city': 'Federal', 'region_name': '08', 'longitude': -58.8, 'country_code3': 'ARG', 'latitude': -30.94999999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'AR', 'country_name': 'Argentina'} [22:04]
mircea_popescu: ah cool! [22:04]
shinohai: Forgive the json brackets, will try to sort that crud out [22:05]
mircea_popescu: not a big deal. [22:05]
shinohai: When one asks for tools in #trilema, you may perhaps be handed a stone adze [22:07]
mircea_popescu: lol [22:07]
mircea_popescu: any luck with teh window ? [22:07]
shinohai: not yet, still on the list though. [22:08]
shinohai: !~lookup [22:12]
jhvh1: shinohai: [22:12]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1539...2533 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [22:16]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1493...6289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [22:16]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...2567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [22:16]
Framedragger: shinohai: ah nice! i've been brewing sth similar so scriba can look up info for all IPs it finds in messages but since you have the display/lookup now, maybe you'd like to incorporate this (so it triggers on ip mention) - this is for sopel not limnoria, mind you: [22:38]
Framedragger: (if not i can incorporate it - or maybe it's not even needed). bbl [22:38]
mircea_popescu: eh, bot shouldn't speak whenever it thinks it sees an ip. [22:40]
trinque: I've already got phuctor-related hax in my feeds thing I don't mind adding a geoip python module to the mix. [22:41]
Framedragger: (just fyi gives nice json incl AS number and name) [22:42]
Framedragger: (as in, if it's requested by a non-browser it'll return json - e.g. `curl`) [22:43]
trinque: I'm loath to use people's APIs for things when I dun gotta [22:43]
trinque: looks like there's a geoip pyturd [22:44]
Framedragger: fair enough. note thought that offline geoip DBs need updating. like, tor ships with new maxmind geoip DB for AS numbers (need to ensure tor circuit is from different ASes [*dodge mp laughing*]) every month [22:45]
Framedragger: though* [22:45]
Framedragger: also reverse PTR / hostname lookup is nice [22:46]
trinque: yeh, dnspython does that [22:46]
Framedragger: ah, cool! yeah i get your api-dependence point [22:48]
trinque: would be different if the guy was in my wot. [22:49]
trinque: not that usg.dns is in my wot... [22:50]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [23:10]
mircea_popescu: hm this was once before ? [23:11]
mircea_popescu: in other news 8chan decides assange is dead and video proof is no sort of proof : [23:17]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...8069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [23:19]
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <> ' [23:19]
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