Forum logs for 20 Jun 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4110995 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'JRMF <jrmf@hotmail.es> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90F94C2DC01C6D471E433F6EBBFB6897CE57B9F5A96A3D7D4AA6A23E94E5529C [00:00]
phf: for interested parties, i have a modified version of vdiff. http://paste.lisp.org/display/318813 (this one is mac specific, so if your shasum is different command you need to patch that, otherwise it should be portable) [00:20]
phf: of the two changes, it makes sure to close the cmd, which is a bug on bsd awks (or rather a defense against permissive gnu awk) the descriptors are kept open for each of the cmd's eventually running into open file limit [00:21]
phf: and the other one, and main reason for posting, is that you can use it in a pipe. like diff -uNr a b | vdiff to vdiffy-y any regular patch [00:22]
phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch [00:23]
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The lighter side of Russia. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/the-lighter-side-of-russia/ [00:37]
BingoBoingo: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/06/19/2222201/jj-abrams-reacts-to-death-of-star-trek-actor-anton-chekov-yelchin << Jeep Grand Cherokee, why should powered products of today's China be any more feared than those of today's US [00:44]
BingoBoingo: oglaf.com/exhale/ [00:47]
phf: man oglafbot has gone lazy [00:48]
BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h [00:49]
felipelalli: (sorry, I'm a little drunk) https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ox7re/as_a_bitcoin_hodler_i_beg_please_make_the_fork/ [01:43]
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10 [01:45]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [03:19]
gribble: Current Blocks: 417175 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 44 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [03:19]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo thanks, will make up for shitposting with something good when I can tune in something besides dao/ether noise. [06:52]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [06:52]
shinohai: later tell mircea_popescu I sense a thaw in relations now: http://archive.is/hbqvK "Gibe monies plox" [07:20]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [07:20]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo answer't. [07:23]
mircea_popescu: shinohai i still dunno if that's a good or a bad for bit-card [07:24]
shinohai: >.< [07:25]
shinohai: this is the first time i've actually been to ethereum sub. its filthy. [07:25]
mircea_popescu: sorta like 4chan for business majors. [07:26]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-20-jun-2016#2112072 << i can only guess at what this sort of thing does to teh mp hater, [07:32]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 05:45 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10 [07:32]
mircea_popescu: but it ain't pretty. [07:32]
mircea_popescu: phf interesting. [07:34]
mircea_popescu: any chance of putting this on ~your blog~, so if three years from now i go "hey i wonder where was that thing phf made with the diffs" i can save an hour ? [07:34]
shinohai: I miss giant parabolic antennas of the 80's [07:35]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524 << that "Ladies and gentleman" thing makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GafedXBYNAk [07:37]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h [07:37]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok this is rich! [07:42]
Framedragger: have to admit, kind of honestly exciting to watch DAO unravel this way [07:43]
Framedragger: "recursive call contracts" must some phrase out of a 1980s cyberpunk book [07:43]
Framedragger: must be* [07:44]
mircea_popescu: "I will buy Ether from any users who rage quit because of a hard fork. It won't be much because most opposition here is from non-stakeholders trying to deny stakeholders their right to self determination." << that's how http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 's "the people themselves" is called now ? "right to self determination" ? [07:44]
mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111" [07:44]
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ [07:45]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger postmodernism is ultrafictive huh. [07:45]
Framedragger: DAO is like some kind of flawed library of babel, collapsing in on itself in fractals [07:45]
Framedragger: /me hallucinates and enjoys it [07:45]
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6948309778074958508023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Leonardo Zillo Monte Xillo <leonardo@zillo.it> ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/510AF37CD9BEDC08A601ECFA864E20396412F81214CB415D6F02054540101CDB [07:46]
shinohai: Framedragger: I think of pulsars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEVo-LkDrQ [07:47]
Framedragger: shinohai: nice. also, i just remembered probing one of those software defined radios on the internet, and hearing this high frequency thing. checked, it said it was some pulsar. that thing out there doing full 360 degree spins in less than a second, and us hearing it.. cool stuff [07:48]
shinohai: I have a few of those dongles, have always loved tagging pulsars with it [07:49]
Framedragger: the additional ethereum from the child dao splits is teh leaked gravitational energy, something something [07:49]
Framedragger: s/energy/momentum/ [07:49]
thestringpuller: r u srs???? https://twitter.com/slockitproject/status/744860466552410112 [07:54]
mircea_popescu: lmao. this from the still very vocal "company" THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS ? [07:55]
mircea_popescu: the cheek of the usg agents, you know. "legal system" czar gave them the note signed by hitler, they perceive responsibility as a thing of the past. [07:56]
thestringpuller: So let me get this straight. Vitalik believes everything should be on the blockchain cuz "future". Hype ensues, and because of stupid "block size issue" in Bitcoin, he's able to pump the bubble with gullible ether huffers. [08:00]
thestringpuller: Okay, so CCO Stephan Tual is waking him off and tries to "do work", by creating slock.it. Slock it is a company who's flagship vaporware is the Slock connected to an "Ethereum Computer". The Slock is a lock based on a smart contract, that unlocks a door when someone pays enough Ether via a hub like AirBNB. So called making "rentals" automated. They release the DAO and pump that to crowdfund their computer. The DAO gets hacked and they [08:00]
thestringpuller: "I think we're soon going to see discussions of liability consume this community in a way that makes the MtGox fiasco look simple by comparison -- because it was, in terms of liability." [08:05]
mircea_popescu: heh. [08:24]
mircea_popescu: while on that topic, perhaps mention worthy, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117654 [08:24]
thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line? [08:29]
thestringpuller: for instance: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485552 << gets lost if you click it cause its at the bottom [08:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:45 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ [08:30]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Groups of scammers use these idiots, exactly like the 'Ndrangheta used that Josh Zerlan muppet" << goes back to the thread of "Bernie Madoff wasn't to blame alone" i.e. the muppets that vouched/pumped his scam [08:31]
mircea_popescu: quite. [08:31]
thestringpuller: hmmm. perhaps there is distinction between "harmless idiot" and "harmful idiot". Much like debate of useful vs useless idiot. [08:32]
mircea_popescu: well, if this were some sort of uncontrollable spread by vector like infection, then yes. but in point of fact they're only contagious IF YOU AGREE. you don't have to agree. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: while they should be beheaded in principle, there's really no emergency. [08:33]
mircea_popescu: but in other etherape news... http://66.media.tumblr.com/ad18a203f2a9767b5e1828b4101dd41b/tumblr_o3uct3Ak2z1twkv1qo2_400.gif [08:34]
mircea_popescu: check them out, THEY RECOVERED. [08:34]
mircea_popescu: (notrly) [08:34]
shinohai: ETH: -8.26 % DAO: -13.45 % [08:36]
mircea_popescu: hopefully it bleeds out the entirety of mit's 13 bn worth of paper "endowments" and we don't have to hear about that shithole ever again. [08:37]
shinohai: mit hates him! Learn how to rape the dao with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK! [08:38]
mircea_popescu: exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524 [08:38]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h [08:38]
shinohai: heh sigaint.org was pwnd years ago wasn't it? [08:39]
thestringpuller: "After researching Bitcoin, Buterin wanted to get his hands on some so he could formally join this new, experimental economy, but he had neither the cash to buy them, nor the computing power necessary to mine them himself. Instead he searched the online Bitcoin forums until he found someone who was willing to pay him in bitcoin for contributing to a blog. Every post earned him 5 bitcoins." [08:42]
thestringpuller: Master shill till you get yo fill. [08:42]
thestringpuller: actually i'm trad marking that "Master Shill"(tm) [08:42]
shinohai: seriously these ppl using "gotomypc.com" service who are one password hack away from having all your shit exfiltrated or ransomed. [08:47]
* shinohai still waiting for leaks or for company to say how bad. [08:48]
mircea_popescu: whole db. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: in the new normal of usg agents, "you only say something if it benefits you". so they don't see the point of saying "we lost it all", because what's in it for them ? [08:51]
mircea_popescu: much like that slock muppet isn't coming out with a "we fucked it all up, i'm unqualified to trim hedges" suicide note. [08:52]
shinohai: kek [08:52]
mircea_popescu: much like phantomcircuit is still "contributing" to bitcoin, presumably new and novel ways to send the whole customer list the whole customer emails list. [08:52]
thestringpuller: Meanwhile Roger Ver is getting desperate: [08:54]
thestringpuller: Congratulations small blockers, Bitcoin is now more expensive than an international bank wire transfer in some cases. Here is a $50 tx fee paid for a single transaction [08:54]
thestringpuller: And links to >> https://blockchain.info/tx/e688df0207f885aa9d4dc61092817cf17334f981c577c16f840b0523216cbb4c [08:54]
thestringpuller: Which is a 48kb transaction [08:54]
mircea_popescu: aww! [08:57]
shinohai: well perhaps they shouldn't spam treatises on bigger blocks to the blockchain, thereby reducing wasted space. [08:57]
mircea_popescu: he should try sending a 50kb wire sometime. [08:57]
mircea_popescu: such a worldy man as roger ver should fucking know what that costs. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: "a transaction" ie, "pay from these 500 accounts to these 500 accounts" is not ONE wire. it's 1001 wires. [08:58]
mircea_popescu: yes you get discounts if you do a lot of international settlements, but still. [08:59]
shinohai: "NEM uses innovative Proof-of-Importance algorithm: first reputation based blockchain algorythm" ( java, javascript) [08:59]
mircea_popescu: hopefully PoP & PoT come out soon [09:00]
mircea_popescu: then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something. [09:01]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs. [09:06]
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117655 [09:12]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Attracting comments is good. It proves we have readers. [09:12]
thestringpuller: lol. the loan rates on ether are like 0.001% for 2 days [09:23]
thestringpuller: amount available to borrow 140k ether [09:23]
shinohai: Chesscoin: A giant premined ico turd with only 4096 blocks of scrypt pow [09:28]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: openpgp'd ssh keys (thanks jurov for PGPy hack): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ - 13 bz2 archives, each of which contains directory with 800k-900k files (one file per key, assumption was that this'd be easiest for bulk import) [09:36]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt [09:37]
mircea_popescu: nice! [09:41]
Framedragger: (dunno how bulk import on phuctor is done but hopefully it's something pretty close to `for f in * do ./import_this_openpgp $f done`) :) [09:45]
mircea_popescu: $up KGery [09:53]
deedbot: KGery voiced for 30 minutes. [09:53]
mircea_popescu: KGery go ahead [09:54]
KGery: $register E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7 [09:54]
deedbot: Import failed for E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7. [09:54]
mircea_popescu: hm [09:54]
KGery: $register KGery E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7 [09:55]
deedbot: Import failed for KGery. [09:55]
mircea_popescu: KGery well, give it a few hours we'll see wtf this is. [09:55]
KGery: Okay, will try again after a while [09:56]
shinohai: lol I just realized that gatecoin was a "partner" of slock.it [10:01]
shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/ [10:01]
mircea_popescu: aww [10:03]
KGery: managed to get deedbot to register me [10:03]
KGery: How do i request credidentals to Eulorum now? [10:04]
mircea_popescu: a cool. [10:04]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519 << this is potentially useful [10:06]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch [10:06]
asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em [10:06]
asciilifeform: works on ANY unix [10:06]
asciilifeform: rather than relying on flagolade [10:06]
mircea_popescu: $key KGery [10:07]
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/51a1d03a-d35a-4b40-a67b-7cba7922e186/ [10:07]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485551 << i would say 'idiots who believed promises made by state are extinct' but this appears not to be the case. [10:07]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:44 mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111" [10:07]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485610 << how does this work ? [10:08]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs. [10:08]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the "import a sig" chain, see what phuctor says. [10:10]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485617 << nice. these will stoke the furnace for a very long time. [10:13]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt [10:13]
Framedragger: good stuff [10:13]
asciilifeform: (the one and only actual bottleneck on phuctor is getting keys in - there is NO way around db query FOR EACH) [10:13]
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh [10:18]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: if it's a regular rdbms i guess you can at least pipeline it in the db itself, e.g. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/queries-with.html - but i imagine the bottleneck is not exactly there [10:25]
Framedragger: i.e. do the loop of for each as part of the query itself but maybe you already do that [10:25]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the queries can't be batched. [10:32]
asciilifeform: try to understand why, it is educational. [10:32]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you can't use map reduce? [10:33]
thestringpuller: /sarcasm [10:33]
Framedragger: :) [10:34]
Framedragger: right, you need to go through every existing modulus and check against it, i guess [10:34]
Framedragger: i'll read that djb's paper soon now [10:35]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this has nothing to do with the gcd thing [10:47]
asciilifeform: in other lulz: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed [10:48]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so is it then because you need to insert them sequentially, you can't paralllelize because if you do you won't end up with db which'd have "*all* moduli tested against each other"? [10:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's been very amusing to watch the margins of the impact crater. [10:50]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is because the mods MUST be deduplicated. [10:50]
asciilifeform: and correctly cross-referenced with the originating keys. [10:50]
Framedragger: ..makes sense. [10:51]
Framedragger: ok [10:51]
mircea_popescu: but the lulziest part : their "solution" consists of a blacklist to be baked into code forevermore! [10:52]
Framedragger: yeah i observed how dupe check works correctly in phuctor, and in retrospect it really is important, right [10:52]
mircea_popescu: imagine the clever mit governance of their scamcoin. by 2018 there will be 10gb of crud. "why is this all here ?!?!?!?!" [10:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, it 'works' for microshit!111111 [10:52]
mircea_popescu: "|well, this line is because one idiot put a bug in in march 2015. this one april. these fifteen may. etc. it's all needed" [10:52]
asciilifeform: winblowz source ACTUALLY looks like this. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: aha. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: also the lulz at the stephan tual idiot, "nothing was stolen nothing was lost" [10:53]
mircea_popescu: point to the moon, vc tard will look at the finger. then gouge his eyes out, and he'll thank you for nothing happening. [10:54]
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima bbl. if the various journos that kept wanting interviews do manage to find their way to the internet, keep 'em warm ima be back in a few hours. [10:54]
shinohai: http://archive.is/ZQexq [10:59]
asciilifeform: notagain.jpg [10:59]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485570 << that should already happen, so probably feature is broken in one of the browsers. if you can give me name/version i could debug it, and possibly even fix it [11:04]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 12:29 thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line? [11:04]
thestringpuller: phf: ah. outdated chrome. just updated chrome and it is working now. [11:06]
thestringpuller: user error :( [11:06]
phf: thestringpuller: which version of chrome was it? [11:08]
phf: it's such a simple feature it should really work all the way back to IE5 or whatever [11:08]
thestringpuller: Yea. I don't think it was the version. I think I "broke" my chrome at work. [11:19]
thestringpuller: it was just* [11:19]
phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/ [11:19]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around [11:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 14:06 asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em [11:23]
asciilifeform: fair enough [11:23]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pumping'em in... [11:29]
shinohai: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/744914837126316032 <<< john mcaffe makes dao declaration [11:51]
asciilifeform: lel [11:52]
Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/ [12:00]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: cool! [12:00]
Framedragger: hope the crunching goes well [12:01]
shinohai: "sluck.it: desperate to have the mEth community come together and clean up the shit they took on the carpet." [12:12]
thestringpuller: $up Bugpowder [13:12]
deedbot: thestringpuller may not $up Bugpowder [13:12]
mats: $up Bugpowder [13:26]
deedbot: mats may not $up Bugpowder [13:26]
Bugpowder: Im up [13:26]
mats: dunno why deedbot didn't try anyway [13:27]
mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar [13:30]
mats: and neither is thestringpuller [13:30]
Bugpowder: lol [13:31]
Bugpowder: this is the L1 L2 thing? [13:31]
thestringpuller: lol [13:31]
mats: join #cryptography-dev [13:31]
mats: er [13:31]
mats: yes Bugpowder i think so [13:33]
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485707 <<< i think there are stricter rules for deedbot no? [13:36]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 17:30 mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar [13:36]
mats: later tell mike_c 503 at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mats&to=deedbot [13:37]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [13:37]
trinque: mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data [13:38]
trinque: phf: were you able to connect to pg? [13:38]
trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot [13:39]
shinohai: no nick for just deedbot in btcalpha :/ [13:39]
mats: oops. [13:39]
mats: shouldn't 503 anyway, though [13:39]
shinohai: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats <<< worx >.< [13:40]
thestringpuller: shinohai: its deedbot now [13:44]
trinque: thestringpuller: trinque │ mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data [13:45]
phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro [14:23]
asciilifeform: unlikely to happen. unix is a half-dead thing, like pgp. [14:27]
phf: obsolete technology to be replaced by ??? [14:27]
asciilifeform: aha. [14:27]
asciilifeform: precisely that. [14:27]
phf: to be replaced by my smbx restoration attempts in 20 years time and 20mil shorter :p [14:28]
asciilifeform: i can't recall if we had the thread, [14:28]
asciilifeform: but smbx lispm was actually a terrific crock of shit, implementation-wise [14:28]
asciilifeform: ~95% undergrad hacks by weight, to get around the quite baroque hardware stack forced by the tech of the period. [14:29]
asciilifeform: it was ~conceptually~ The Right Thing in 1,001 ways that c-machine is not, but not something that really deserves to be rebuilt verbatim (other than for study) [14:30]
phf: well, it can be rebuilt as a staging platform, sort of like instead of building own city, can just use the carcass of a roman settlement. it's not rome, but with some study can understand rome nature and work towards that. [14:31]
asciilifeform: aha. [14:31]
asciilifeform: point being, the higher-level stuff is interesting and useful, but the foundations are crud. mainly, cost of memory and disk at the time made orthogonal persistence a largely unthinkable thing. [14:32]
Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc [14:33]
asciilifeform: likewise, slow clocks of the time made 'compilation must be a form of caching strictly' likewise unthinkable. [14:33]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ..however, short-term some local optimum surely exists [14:34]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago [14:34]
asciilifeform: it had NO FUCKING RNG AT ALL FOR YEARS and NO ONE NOTICED. [14:34]
Framedragger: let me guess, i should check the logs :) [14:34]
asciilifeform: and moved to shit compiler, throwing away gcc [14:34]
asciilifeform: it is dead to me. [14:34]
Framedragger: you misspelt debian /joke [14:34]
Framedragger: llvm? [14:34]
asciilifeform: aha. [14:34]
Framedragger: is llvm surely shit? i was always wary of it, but technically speaking, why shit? [14:34]
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: FreeBSD is basically Fedora/Red Hat level shitgnome infested [14:34]
mats: llvm is p technically interesting [14:35]
Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me [14:35]
Framedragger: too much thought compression [14:35]
BingoBoingo: $google Freebsd random bug [14:35]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy. [14:35]
asciilifeform: this suffices for me. [14:35]
Framedragger: *yawn* [14:35]
Framedragger: k [14:35]
deedbot: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/19/freebsd-and-the-yarnbug-more-trouble-at-the-random-number-mill/ << FreeBSD and the YARNBUG – more trouble at the Random Number ... | https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/pr-guidelines/article.html << FreeBSD Problem Report Handling Guidelines | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports-bugs << freebsd-ports-bugs Info Page [14:35]
asciilifeform: it exists strictly because apple wanted to be rid of the gpl. [14:35]
asciilifeform: $s llvm [14:35]
a111: 70 results for "llvm", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=llvm [14:35]
asciilifeform: ^ have fun [14:35]
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: lol talk about selection biassurely you can do the same for various linuxes [14:36]
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: If you bsd either NEtBSD or OpenbsD but make own ports. [14:36]
phf: Framedragger: linux is worst is better in this case. it sucks in the same way freebsd sucks, but it has more support, more software, more drivers, etc. [14:36]
asciilifeform: at any rate, all unix is architecturally defective in ways which inevitably lead to the same piles of shit we are kicking around today. [14:37]
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Sure like Debian. The freebsd problem is where there bugs keep popping up (i.e. places that make crypto impossibru) [14:37]
phf: but llvm is definitely toxic because it was designed with the ~explicitly stated goal~ of killing gcc [14:37]
Framedragger: phf: the latter is true i suppose, but on stable hardware configurations the"drivers" etc prolly does not apply. but sure, size etc [14:37]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this 'stable hardware' thing also doesn't exist. [14:37]
asciilifeform: anywhere. [14:37]
phf: Framedragger: fwiw i've spent about 4 years on freebsd, from 98 to 2002 or so and it pains me to no end that platform compromised where theo held the perimeters with an iron fist. [14:38]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's a misuse of slippery slope i think i could e.g. say then that any "concept" is not "stable" and not "truly ontologically grounded" or whatever. but i guess there's actual stuff / critique to be said about stability of hardware in particular, so, fair enough i guess [14:39]
* asciilifeform 2000-2006 or so [14:39]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: no slopes, slippery or otherwise. simply pointing out that the 'you can buy this machine, and 20 yrs from now you can buy 100% compatible one' does NOT exist. [14:39]
asciilifeform: nor threatens to exist. [14:40]
* Framedragger on and off but generally not old enough to join the club. the documentation is a piece of work though.. [14:40]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, ok [14:40]
trinque: I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd [14:40]
asciilifeform: even if you reduce the 20 to, say, 5. [14:40]
asciilifeform: ALSO does not exist. [14:41]
trinque: if I had another pair of hands I'd finish porting portage over [14:41]
asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set. [14:42]
asciilifeform: nor does the effort of attempting sane os pay off, lacking stable iron. [14:43]
asciilifeform: this is why the only tmsr silicon worth making is an fpga. [14:43]
asciilifeform: (see logz, we had at least half a dozen 'if fpga actually existed' threads.) [14:44]
thestringpuller: Instead of the Bitcoin computer. S.NSA can make the TMSR Computer. [14:44]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we had this thread also a dozen times. [14:45]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: with current fabrication tech, the cost of fabricating any quantity of sane computer could never be earned back. [14:46]
thestringpuller: We pay for nice things. etc. etc. [14:46]
trinque: moreover if you don't have a plan to march from A to B, B is pointless to consider strategically [14:47]
trinque: hence my collection of driftwood [14:47]
trinque: "we will arrive at B with negative 50k men and three un-tanks" [14:48]
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta what we have now. [14:48]
trinque: l0l [14:48]
asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks. [14:49]
asciilifeform: 'i rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg rages and the bodies stank...' (tm) (r) [14:49]
phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richness, so everyone's excited abou [14:49]
phf: t it), but unlike federated gcc, llvm is owned entirely by apple and greater extent other apple aligned corporations. their interests are ~opposite~ to those of enterprising individuals. [14:49]
asciilifeform: ^ [14:50]
asciilifeform: good summary. [14:50]
thestringpuller: not even just a little dick up the butthole? [14:52]
thestringpuller: like if you HAD to have a dick up your butthole. [14:52]
phf: you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic. [14:52]
trinque: itt thestringpuller henceforth dubbed justthetip [14:52]
thestringpuller: i'm just saying what if option is big dick up butthole or little dick up butthole. i know ideal situation is no dick up butthole at all. [14:54]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is always a 3rd option, 'fight to the death'. [14:54]
thestringpuller: of course the cost of that is your life. sometimes a prisoner would rather have dick up butt than shiv in kidney. [14:54]
thestringpuller: just sayin' [14:55]
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately. [14:55]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-16#1407078 << thread [14:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-02-16 16:51 mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree. [14:55]
thestringpuller: "You know, I spend a lot of time, you know, thinking about all the shit I could've done. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I think, I could've been the motherfucking president. Shit. Nigga, I wish things had've been different. I mean, I'd do anything in the motherfucking world just for things to be different. I guess I'm just gonna be raping niggas' asses for the rest of my motherfucking life." - Random Prisoner Who Thought He Woul [14:58]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s [15:18]
asciilifeform: 'NSC 26/2 was mistakenly declassified in 1985 by an archivist at the Truman Presidential Library which is part of the National Archives and Records Administration. A library official in a legal deposition deemed it the worst security breach in the National Archives’ history. A furious CIA demanded the archivist be fired, but he remained a library employee after losing his top-secret clearance. NSC 26/2 was reclassified top secret, [15:19]
asciilifeform: but by this time Research Publications, a Connecticut company, had sent it along with other microfiched documents to libraries across the country. The microfiche weren’t recalled after a government decision – it’s not clear by whom – that it would arouse attention. ' [15:19]
asciilifeform: in yet other lulz, [15:26]
asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html [15:26]
asciilifeform: 'The tests will potentially knock out all GPS-reliant services including WAAS, GBAS and, notably, ADS-B. The FAA also doesn’t want a lot of radio chatter about the outages and is urging pilots to report them if they need help from ATC. Operators of Embraer Phenom 300 business jets are being urged to avoid the area entirely. “Due to GPS Interference impacts potentially affecting Embraer 300 aircraft flight stability controls, FAA [15:27]
asciilifeform: recommends EMB Phenom pilots avoid the … testing area and closely monitor flight control systems,” the Notam reads.' [15:27]
asciilifeform: for srs? [15:27]
asciilifeform: lizard jets can be toppled with cheap jammer ? [15:27]
mats: i mean, USN only just restarted teaching stellar navigation, so... [15:27]
BingoBoingo: What, it isn't like GPS satellites broadcast with 10,000 screaming hot watts of power. [15:28]
trinque: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/GENOT_7110_711_EMB-300.pdf [15:29]
trinque: wahahaha [15:29]
trinque: who builds these things? [15:29]
deedbot: [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Update: Journalist Swindled Into Writing A #Longread - http://qntra.net/2016/06/hoaxtoshi-update-journalist-swindled-into-writing-a-longread/ [15:29]
trinque: the thing has to be emergency landed if GPS is lost? [15:30]
asciilifeform: apparently ? [15:32]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: modern gps jamming countermeasures play clever tricks with ~direction~ [15:36]
asciilifeform: (jammer is most usually ~below~ the victim, genuine article - above.) [15:36]
BingoBoingo: ah [15:37]
mircea_popescu: the days of gsm style gps "whatever stronger source wins" are done with the 90s [15:37]
mircea_popescu: in other "internet of things" lulz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c4fd4dd1-38d7-4cd8-b571-b415dd7c9919/ [15:40]
* trinque does a deedbot deploy for whitespace trimming around commands [15:49]
mircea_popescu: in other news, apparently the uk is looking at legal options to implement a recursive splitting from the eu and subsequently drain all euros. [16:02]
asciilifeform: l0l [16:03]
mircea_popescu: altogether not a bad idea. [16:03]
shinohai: hue [16:03]
mircea_popescu: $up Framedragger [16:07]
mircea_popescu: heh [16:07]
deedbot: Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: $up fromphuctor [16:07]
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. [16:07]
mircea_popescu: all the butthurt people, oh noes. what shall we ever do! [16:17]
jurov: Framedragger: if you already openpgp'd the keys, feeding them to phuctor via http is trivial [16:21]
mircea_popescu: slow tho [16:21]
jurov: i suspect alf won't do it himself because reasons [16:21]
jurov: "it's not fit for that purpose" or such [16:22]
mircea_popescu: omg wai. [16:22]
jurov: or i misread the discussion? [16:22]
trinque: asciilifeform said he *would* feed them in. [16:22]
jurov: aok [16:23]
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483485 < i meant this discussion [16:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 15:41 asciilifeform: this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.) [16:23]
* mircea_popescu thinks jurov's trying to stir shit up! [16:25]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484330 [16:27]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 20:43 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale. [16:27]
trinque: "I suspect because tmsr is being lax about read-the-logs beatings." [16:27]
asciilifeform: for fucks sake [16:28]
asciilifeform: they are already being fed in [16:28]
asciilifeform: 5100+ already. [16:28]
jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427 [16:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 15:24 asciilifeform: understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg. [16:30]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485681 <<< lol @poor schmuck hallucinating self "novelist", deciding to press on ANYWAY in spite of craig derp beheading because he also hallucinates himself some sort of postmodern orpheus who's gonna lyre the beasts to sleep, only to fall flat. [16:30]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 14:59 asciilifeform: notagain.jpg [16:30]
mircea_popescu: hopefully his local dispensary has enough pills to medicate him back to copacetic normalcy [16:31]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485690 <<< i lollered. [16:32]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 15:19 phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/ [16:32]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485697 << let's zoom out on this derp's prose. "i was. I began. math was easy (FOR ME!). my grades. i got. i transferred. i would. i was. what i have. what i learned. that is TEN fucking paragraphs. [16:34]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 16:00 Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/ [16:34]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485868 << phuctor is unchanged - Framedragger converted the ssh keys to pgp format. [16:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 20:30 jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427 [16:35]
mircea_popescu: i hope he lives off belly button lint, because any sort of social order in which this fuck is not starving is ipso facto broken [16:35]
jurov: asciilifeform: so I ought to, too? [16:35]
mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell mcafee that buying $5 worth of articles on craigslist results in $0 worth of verbiage. [16:36]
mircea_popescu: jurov if you dun feel like it, give it a little and Framedragger will make his thing a thing. [16:36]
mircea_popescu: we'll need a convertor anyway, the problem of non-compliant rsa implementation isn't going to go away suddenyl. [16:36]
jurov: i already explained I have no problem to convert, just that it will balloon the data up [16:37]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in case you missed it, he converted all the keys, i loaded, and they are being fed in even now. [16:37]
mircea_popescu: well yeah. [16:37]
asciilifeform: all xx mil of them. [16:37]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is Framedragger 's set (servers) or jurov 's set (github, cliuents) ? [16:38]
asciilifeform: Framedragger's [16:38]
mircea_popescu: we're talking of the other one. [16:38]
asciilifeform: ah [16:38]
mircea_popescu: recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code [16:38]
asciilifeform: ah yes [16:39]
asciilifeform: i see no reason not to do same thing as for Framedragger's [16:39]
mircea_popescu: anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D [16:39]
jurov: ok, i'll convert [16:40]
mircea_popescu: jurov is it practical to just "do the same thing as Framedragger " ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu: cool. [16:40]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485691 << this is a major win, you'll have to publish the thing. [16:41]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 15:23 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around [16:41]
mircea_popescu: don't clean it up TOO much first, either. cheese gotta have some cheese flavour. [16:41]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485721 << heh. [16:43]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 17:39 trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot [16:43]
BingoBoingo: Lying shitgnome caught in the act NOT talking about computers https://archive.is/xooJH [16:44]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485728 << it's a large project and generally not a ripe fruit yet, i don't think, but yes. [16:49]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:23 phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro [16:49]
mircea_popescu: the path to bitcoinfs intersects a tmsr-os/loper-os/whatever-we-end-up-calling-it-os, just... [16:49]
mircea_popescu: im not even sure it should be linux. [16:49]
asciilifeform: ^ [16:49]
mircea_popescu: if it is linux, it probably is more like debian sarge or gentoo whatever from 2003 than anything visible in the wild. fuck, it probably should be more like ibm-dos really. [16:50]
asciilifeform: the interesting bit re dos is that it was felled precisely by the same hardware tower of babel which gave us a multi-MB linux turdkernel [16:51]
asciilifeform: you get two options, standardizing the iron, or abstracting over the babelade [16:52]
asciilifeform: tertium non datur. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485741 << BingoBoingo keeps the bsd flame alive, and others maybe (mod6 ?) but... it's really a murky point yet. [16:52]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:33 Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc [16:52]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we have the power to standardize the iron, maybe, through the process of selection. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: exactly how natural evolution works. [16:52]
asciilifeform: selection is NOT enough. [16:52]
asciilifeform: you need something to select FROM. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: that something is called patience. [16:53]
asciilifeform: this is like waiting for ocean to dry out. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485744 << this is an argument contra de maintainers, not necessarily contra de item. but still. [16:53]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago [16:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ocean WILL dry out. [16:53]
asciilifeform: for so long as mass turdmarket is ~the~ driver of manufacture, there will be only the equivalent of 'winmodems' to choose from iron-wise. [16:55]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements. [16:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me [16:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems altogether improbable that as of today the turdmarket is the driver of anything. [16:55]
asciilifeform: it drives 100% of silicon. [16:56]
mircea_popescu: i have doubts, as an anthropologist i mean, that this was EVER actually the case. it seems altogether plausible that the ~idea~ of turdmarket driving things was perceived as "likely to occur" in general and perhaps circumstantially occuring in some spots, but the trends are separating not joining [16:56]
asciilifeform: and anything and everything else where you have to sell 10,000+ pieces to break even. [16:56]
asciilifeform: (more like 100,000 with modern processes) [16:57]
mircea_popescu: take modems. who buys them ? telcos. take say smartphones. who buys them ? corporations. literally, not just because they "issue" the drones one, but because they decide which is the "in" one to have. [16:57]
mircea_popescu: so the drones "make the decision" to "buy" one with "their" "money" aka corp scrip on loan from the corp. [16:58]
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg [16:58]
asciilifeform: but the shit tower doesn't need the drones to have 'free choice', in order to work [16:58]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this is not terribly related. "whether it's a collie or a terrier it still bit me" [16:59]
asciilifeform: for so long as ~somebody~ buys those 100,000 - you can make the next batch. [16:59]
asciilifeform: whether it is kim jong up, to build statue of himself out of them, or apple - dun matter. [16:59]
asciilifeform: *un [16:59]
mircea_popescu: yeah but see, did pharoh buy one pyramid or 100`000 chunks of cut stone. [16:59]
asciilifeform: does it matter to the stonecutters? [17:00]
mircea_popescu: tbh i like kim jong up a lot better. [17:00]
asciilifeform: lel [17:00]
mircea_popescu: maybe he could be kim jong up from now on. and he could have a son and name him kim dong down [17:00]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485787 << well, at least in theory this problem could be resolved by saying "we only do servers" at least at first. [17:23]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:42 asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set. [17:23]
asciilifeform: not really. [17:23]
asciilifeform: (e.g., which NIC? and what's to guarantee that it will be available) [17:24]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485800 << that's unthinkable! [17:24]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. i just meant the vidcard gnarl could maybe be excised in a politically defensible manner. historically it was ~60 to 70% of all the mess. [17:25]
asciilifeform: unfortunately that isn't remotely the end of it. [17:25]
mircea_popescu: myeah [17:26]
asciilifeform: likewise the intel and amd boobytrap cores dun go away when we close eyes. [17:28]
asciilifeform: and the number of rack servers you can lease without them is ~0. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: you can colocate anything you wish. [17:28]
asciilifeform: the whole pile of shit (yes, including arm) must burn. [17:28]
mircea_popescu: elbruses even :D [17:28]
asciilifeform: you can colocate cray. but go source in quantity. [17:29]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try and find one to burn!11 [17:29]
mircea_popescu: myea [17:29]
trinque: asciilifeform: does ppc have the mysterymeat cores? [17:32]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485802 << "casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri". it's a thing. [17:32]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes [17:32]
asciilifeform: trinque: ppc has a sole source. ergo ipso facto rubbish. [17:34]
asciilifeform: (the sole source is ibm) [17:34]
asciilifeform: recall the specificity-of-diddling threads. [17:35]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485814 << because the russians a) don't understand how the world works and b) are antijwzemitic. [17:35]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately. [17:35]
* trinque will not fall back to abacus until tmsr-fpga exists [17:35]
asciilifeform: trinque: how each of us keeps his own 'patient' on life support, is his business [17:35]
asciilifeform: but fwiw i am against a canonical life support effort for crud that is long past expiration date. [17:36]
phf: i honestly though thestringpuller was just being tongue-in-cheek :o [17:36]
asciilifeform: witness mircea_popescu's reaction to gentoo, for instance [17:36]
mircea_popescu: yeah, discussion may well continue, but it does altogether not seem likely there's going to be a "chosen respirator" [17:37]
asciilifeform: aha. [17:37]
* trinque nods [17:37]
phf: mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm not groking that "casa ..." thing [17:37]
mircea_popescu: phf "a house enough to sit in and land as far as your eye can see" [17:37]
mircea_popescu: ie, how to split real estate budget. [17:37]
phf: right, i mean i'm being dense as far as how that maps to the mini rant [17:39]
mircea_popescu: well, it seems to me to be a very apt summary of the type of pragmatism prevalent here. a sort of "keep horizon maximally open" flavour of pragmatism [17:42]
mircea_popescu: very different (in the sense of being opposite) to pragmatism as a current in anglosaxon thought. which is more like, "keep all doors and windows shut and only open something once you're sure there's nothing there". [17:43]
phf: aah, gotcha [17:44]
mircea_popescu: the false etymology to roman lat vir is particularly endearing. [17:45]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: phf does BSDbsdm too!!! [17:46]
mircea_popescu: ah right [17:46]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485818 << and maiden planned to hold thighs tightly closed in case of ravishment. [17:52]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 19:18 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s [17:52]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i read it, the anglo crews on ~100% of the gear at the time doubled as saboteurs. [17:54]
asciilifeform: and the hosts were somehow 'not to know this' [17:54]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485822 << the missile problem. [17:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 19:26 asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html [17:54]
asciilifeform: waiwut [17:55]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they "didn't know" which is how romania went from an agrarian economy in 1935 to the world's petroengineering superpwoer in 1965. [17:55]
Bugpowder: Pretty sweet feed of live fire aircraft drops in LA [17:56]
Bugpowder: http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/brush-fire-breaks-out-along-highway-39-above-azusa/ [17:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulziest thing is the VERY expensive "business jet" (embraer phenom) that was made by javascript engineers (won't work at all without gps signal). [17:58]
mircea_popescu: oh wait this is in the logs. darn. [17:58]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder 15 acres not such a big deal, considering what california scrub can provide neh ? [18:04]
Bugpowder: 1200 acres [18:04]
Bugpowder: was 15 acres 2 hours ago. [18:05]
mircea_popescu: wind huh. [18:05]
Bugpowder: Not sure about streaming to to wherever you are, but the HD video is pretty amazing. [18:05]
mircea_popescu: i dun do much video anyway. [18:06]
Bugpowder: http://imgur.com/xm3JzO6 [18:08]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romanian redditards found out that mp was also born there, think that "hey, wtf, i don't think it can be him. if it were he would be starting a revolution" [18:09]
mircea_popescu: logic, sometimes. [18:09]
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is bad for fiatcoin. [18:16]
Bugpowder: Wind blowing it up mountains not down tho so OK for now… [18:21]
Bugpowder: Hmm… Now 4 fires started in the last 3 hours in LA… Arson? [18:26]
BingoBoingo: Mebbe some ISIS kid in California decided if he went firebug he could get a higher score than if he went an hero? [19:13]
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe weather is just right for cigarette butts to light the brush today? [19:14]
BingoBoingo: These are the mysteries of the Los Angeles desert [19:14]
BingoBoingo: ticker --market all [19:31]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 734.99, vol: 7842.37344265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 705.761, vol: 6088.93784 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 690.0, vol: 2.00894355 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 749.31896, vol: 41353.25440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 738.36, vol: 3882.46001864 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.216230316 [19:31]
BingoBoingo: bc,stats [19:32]
gribble: Current Blocks: 417271 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [19:32]
BingoBoingo: $up Monkey14 [19:48]
deedbot: Monkey14 voiced for 30 minutes. [19:48]
BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/6PJKX6.jpg [20:13]
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4p0314/did_bruno_mars_know_about_the_dao_hack_years/ [20:18]
shinohai: later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/VbL [20:21]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [20:21]
BingoBoingo: ty [20:22]
shinohai: Supposedly this is supposed to be "mermaid parade" looks more "whale pride parade" https://sli.mg/WgVNER [20:28]
shinohai: gah [20:33]
mircea_popescu: in fairness marine creatures are supposed to be portly. [20:34]
mircea_popescu: you want waifs go to the will-o-wisp parade. [20:35]
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/4msmh7/gps_interference_notam_for_southwest_us/d3y63li << lulz re earlier thread [20:36]
shinohai: "portly" meaning "wide as port side"? [20:36]
mircea_popescu: dutch roll ? 3-4 times ? god bless embraer. [20:37]
asciilifeform: and no glonass fallback. [20:37]
asciilifeform: 'because would need a second signed letter from hitler' [20:37]
mircea_popescu: shinohai meaning capable of carrying a mule's load. [20:37]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: substantial links added, but published [20:37]
asciilifeform: this is a, what, 10, 20 mil, machine ? [20:37]
mircea_popescu: in the sense a luxury car is "100k" or a cellphone "1500". yeah, right, read the maintenance contracts. [20:38]
asciilifeform: well yes. [20:38]
mircea_popescu: it's a "have a hundred slaves" machine. [20:38]
asciilifeform: like any other airplane. [20:39]
deedbot: [Qntra] Garza, Stuart Fraser of Cantor Fitzgerald, and GAW Face Class Action Suit In US Court - http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/ [20:39]
asciilifeform: (we had this thread re jet fighters) [20:39]
mircea_popescu: well no, cessna is "have a retarded butler and an old maid" sort of machine [20:39]
mircea_popescu: shinohai BingoBoingo win. [20:39]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Editing I forgot an addition necessary [20:40]
mircea_popescu: iirc it was mentioned in logs mr fraser won't be able to disentangle himself last year [20:40]
shinohai: >.> [20:40]
BingoBoingo: Updated with gloating dialed up to 11 http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/ [20:43]
mircea_popescu: why "anno domini" ? [20:44]
BingoBoingo: Because 2014 was the year of our lord cazalla [20:44]
mircea_popescu: lolk. [20:45]
BingoBoingo: And GAW was the story that cazalla used to hammer Qntra into being a thing that made our asperzoring competitors feel shame [20:46]
mircea_popescu: this is true yeah [20:46]
mircea_popescu: he hounded that shit like a champ [20:46]
BingoBoingo: Cazalla's trolling was Qntra's original and most important SEO campaign [20:48]
mircea_popescu: it's only trolling if you're not backed by the righteous word of teh lord. [20:50]
BingoBoingo: No, not trolling in that sense. Trolling as in fishing, as in doing the actual work of SEO. [20:51]
BingoBoingo: Working the longlines and seeing what bites. [20:51]
BingoBoingo: Much booze was had in these discussions of actual internet marketing and SEO. [20:52]
mircea_popescu: is that good for qnt-ra ? [20:53]
BingoBoingo: Sure. The greatest accomplishment of early Qntra was doing lots while making it look like we weren't doing anything at all. Everything from the site's theme to the tone of that first indictment against GAW was done with this in mind. [20:56]
BingoBoingo: Without calling GAW jizz moppers in October 2014 who would think to take Qntra seriously on... [20:59]
BingoBoingo: $google hard fork crisis [20:59]
BingoBoingo: ... [21:00]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra | http://www.ofnumbers.com/2015/02/06/what-is-the-blockchain-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << What is the blockchain hard fork “missile crisis?” | Great Wall of ... | https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f << Bitcoin's Ironic Crisis — Medium [21:00]
BingoBoingo: In other news http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059 [21:03]
BingoBoingo: "A 34-year-old woman seduces a 15-year-old boy and becomes pregnant. She gives birth to a daughter and thereafter applies for Aid to Families with Dependent Children. Is the child's father obligated to pay child support even though he is a victim of statutory rape? (Pen. Code, ? 261.5, subd. (d).) We conclude he is liable for child support." [21:04]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: famous case [21:04]
BingoBoingo: aha [21:04]
asciilifeform: dan moscny mentioned it [21:04]
asciilifeform: *mocsny [21:04]
mircea_popescu: there's ~no way for slave to avoid slavetax. that's the point of having a) slave and b) slavetax. [21:04]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found it especially entertaining how reddit folk (at least used to) believe the 'if only male birth control pill' thing would make any difference (if such thing existed, 'paternity' would simply get redefined, french style, to accomodate cuckoldry) [21:13]
asciilifeform: and for all i know this is already in the works, in anglo world [21:13]
mircea_popescu: i'd expect so. [21:13]
mircea_popescu: and "marriage" means "living toghether" already anyway, which can mean anything the fuck anyone pleases anyway, so... [21:14]
asciilifeform: because the other thing about being a slave is that it doesn't come with any guarantee of slavin' by yesterday's rules [21:14]
asciilifeform: master can set new rules. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: ftr : communist romania had "bachelor tax". [21:14]
asciilifeform: usa also has [21:14]
asciilifeform: it just gets rolled into tax [21:14]
mircea_popescu: no but that was explicit, paycheck withholding. [21:14]
mircea_popescu: the cucks bruhaha'd lots and lots an' did nothing about it. [21:15]
asciilifeform: taxation was not a serious problem in su [21:17]
asciilifeform: (just like it wasn't for black slaves in american south) [21:17]
mircea_popescu: money was meaningless throughout the socialist empire, sure. [21:17]
asciilifeform: aha. [21:17]
mircea_popescu: but it irked people. you know the poem ? [21:17]
asciilifeform: which [21:17]
mircea_popescu: "subsemnatul ion caciula, om al muncii fara pula : de ce sa platesc tribut, daca eu nu pot sa fut ?" [21:18]
mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba." [21:18]
mircea_popescu: (undersigned john hat, workman without a dick : why should i pay the tax when i can't fuck ? warmly esteemed mr john hat, workman without a tool : while you've got your fingers & tongue the law stands.) [21:19]
asciilifeform: l0l! [21:19]
mircea_popescu: http://infocoin.net/2016/06/20/autor-del-ataque-del-dao-declara-que-sus-acciones-son-legales/ [21:24]
mircea_popescu: mostly quoted for the epic lulz of "bufete de abogados". which yes, it's how the spanishtards say law firm. [21:24]
* asciilifeform falls down [21:24]
mircea_popescu: imagine the lawyers laid out swedish style. [21:24]
mircea_popescu: on toothpick stakes, with cheese and pineapple. [21:25]
asciilifeform: delish. [21:25]
mircea_popescu: maybe the next sandback da could be named lish somethingortheotherheyinindiaournamesneverend [21:26]
mircea_popescu: then it could be da lish [21:26]
mircea_popescu: $s pdaian [21:37]
a111: 1 results for "pdaian", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pdaian [21:37]
mircea_popescu: https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/ << the guy has correctly identified ~a~ 2nd vulnerability there. [21:37]
mod6: dear load that chinese food was rancid [21:38]
mircea_popescu: "Solidity" is one of the most aptly named piles of rubbish for purposes of unintentional irony self-crits [21:38]
mod6: *lord [21:38]
mod6: How goes it? [21:38]
mircea_popescu: not bad mod6 [21:39]
mircea_popescu: duck empanadas were so-so [21:39]
mod6: that sounds /way/ better, Sir. [21:39]
mod6: <+asciilifeform> 'you have died of death' << lol [21:41]
mod6: this eth implosion has kept the lulztrain running [21:43]
mod6: Framedragger: hey, thanks for all your work with the SSH keys. [21:48]
deedbot: [Qntra] China Solidifies Presence In Airstrip Two's Media - http://qntra.net/2016/06/china-solidifies-presence-in-airstrip-twos-media/ [22:06]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo negotiated a deal [22:11]
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd [22:20]
thestringpuller: when is the dao attacker gonna cause more drama. today has been boooring. [23:51]
thestringpuller: start bribing miners already. [23:51]
phf: trinque: ping [23:55]
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