Forum logs for 19 Feb 2012

Friday, 03 January, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

medaj	whats fastestway to turn moneypak to btc	[00:00]
smickles	medaj: sell it here	[00:00]
medaj	smickles: i guess people with + are more trustworthy?	[00:00]
smickles	medaj: you should state the amount on the MP and how much btc you want	[00:00]
mcorlett	medaj: No. Use ;;getrating to see their ratings.	[00:00]
smickles	;;getrating smickles	[00:00]
gribble	User smickles, created on Wed Jan 4 18:28:52 2012. Cumulative rating 34, from 25 total ratings. Received ratings: 25 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=smickles Currently authenticated from hostmask smickles!~michael@#64;cpe-071-070-169-083.nc.res.rr.com	[00:00]
medaj	i see	[00:01]
BTCHero	the plus only means you have been here for a day and are authed	[00:01]
smickles	medaj: and ;;ident to make sure they are who they say they are	[00:01]
mcorlett	You also must make sure they're authenticated, or they might be being impersonated by a malicious person.	[00:01]
rawrmage	BTCHero: *was once authed	[00:01]
BTCHero	yes	[00:01]
mcorlett	smickles: Authentication info is included in getrating.	[00:02]
rawrmage	i could nick to someone else, auth as myself, unauth from myself	[00:02]
*	smickles is apparently blind	[00:02]
rawrmage	and still be voiced as someone else	[00:02]
MBS	not bad	[00:02]
MBS	$323 total for sears crappy store brand tires installed, lol	[00:02]
*	BTCHero is now known as Foodst4mp	[00:03]
Foodst4mp	Like this?	[00:03]
MBS	405 to change oil and power steering as well	[00:03]
medaj	;;ticker	[00:03]
vragnaroda	Foodst4mp: Capitalization's wrong.	[00:03]
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Guest7407	meh I wasn't around then	[00:03]
Guest7407	wtf?	[00:03]
MBS	515 to add transmission	[00:03]
Guest7407	i didn't know you could do that	[00:03]
vragnaroda	Nick protection's on.	[00:03]
*	Guest7407 is now known as BTCHero	[00:04]
BTCHero	oh I thought you did it to me lol	[00:04]
vragnaroda	[17:04] - NickServ- \| (NickServ@#64;services.) FooDSt4mP has enabled nick protection	[00:04]
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vragnaroda	BTCHero: /msg nickserv set enforce on	[00:04]
mcorlett	I need bouncer recommendations. Let's hear 'em.	[00:05]
BTCHero	cool thanks vrag	[00:05]
BTCHero	Now no one can impersonate me	[00:05]
medaj	;;getrating EasyAt	[00:05]
vragnaroda	Well, not for longer than 30 seconds.	[00:05]
mcorlett	medaj: You should receive a private message from gribble.	[00:06]
MBS	lol at a description someone wrote for these tires	[00:08]
MBS	"Cheapest of the tires available at Sears, says it's a private label brand made by Bridgestone. Basically, it's a tire, and nothing special about it. "	[00:08]
NASDAQEnema	BTCHero: Kevin Spacey can impersonate anyone	[00:09]
phantomcircuit	;;getrating phantomcircuit	[00:09]
EasyAt	;;getrating gribble	[00:09]
phantomcircuit	lol	[00:09]
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danieldaniel_	lol	[00:09]
smickles	lol?	[00:09]
danieldaniel_	nickserv enforcing ftw	[00:09]
danieldaniel_	danieldaniel is now known as Guest63344.	[00:09]
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danieldaniel_	t	[00:10]
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splatster	Holy shit! 1 in 7 in U.S. Receive Food Stamps.	[00:10]
danieldaniel_	holy shit	[00:10]
BTCHero	holy shit	[00:10]
danieldaniel_	holy fucking shit	[00:10]
BTCHero	Who cares?	[00:10]
phantomcircuit	you dont have to be super poor to get food stamps	[00:10]
danieldaniel_	idk	[00:10]
BTCHero	food stamps make the world go round	[00:10]
DBordello	Selling MP for BTC. Let me know if interested	[00:10]
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splatster	1 in 7 people are getting food stamps. That's fucking insane!	[00:11]
BTCHero	how do you think those little corner stores stay in business?	[00:11]
smickles	'merica is secretly a welfare state	[00:11]
EasyAt	DBordello: what rate are you looking for?	[00:11]
phantomcircuit	splatster, retired people also often qualify for food stamps	[00:11]
BTCHero	lots of people do	[00:11]
BTCHero	minimum wage job usually won't put you over the threshold	[00:12]
splatster	phantomcircuit: And they get SS.	[00:12]
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BTCHero	fuck you if you have any problem with anyone getting ss	[00:12]
splatster	Qualify doesn't mean use.	[00:12]
phantomcircuit	splatster, also food stamp eligibility usually only counts income	[00:12]
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phantomcircuit	so even if you have savings you can get food stamps	[00:12]
splatster	BTCHero: No SS is a good thing.	[00:12]
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BTCHero	ok	[00:12]
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smickles	BTCHero: what do you think of EIC?	[00:13]
splatster	Fuck if I fell after retirement I would be fucked without SS.	[00:13]
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Guest63344	wtf	[00:13]
Guest63344	i think i broke something	[00:13]
splatster	s/fell/fell ill/	[00:13]
BTCHero	EIC?	[00:13]
phantomcircuit	splatster, when you planning on retiring ?	[00:13]
smickles	BTCHero: earned income tax credit	[00:13]
splatster	phantomcircuit: 60s	[00:13]
phantomcircuit	no i mean roughly what year	[00:14]
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splatster	I got ~35-40 years before retirement.	[00:14]
smickles	BTCHero: it's straight up wealth redistribution	[00:14]
BTCHero	smickles I don't really have an opinion	[00:14]
phantomcircuit	splatster, there is roughly zero chance that social security will exist when you retire	[00:14]
BTCHero	but leaning towards it is ok	[00:14]
phantomcircuit	congrats	[00:14]
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splatster	YAY!	[00:15]
splatster	Thanks for the reassurance!	[00:15]
phantomcircuit	baby boomers have put in about 50% of the funds necessary to cover their ss payouts	[00:15]
phantomcircuit	they've literally bankrupt social security	[00:15]
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rg	;;asks 5.01	[00:15]
smickles	5.01?	[00:15]
vragnaroda	[17:12] <+ BTCHero> \| fuck you if you have any problem with anyone getting ss <-- I have a problem with anyone getting SS so go fuck yourself.	[00:16]
BTCHero	why vrag	[00:16]
BTCHero	they paid it	[00:16]
BTCHero	they get it back	[00:16]
BTCHero	no big deal	[00:16]
vragnaroda	lol	[00:16]
smickles	vragnaroda: "i'd bed" that you, like me, don't like EIC	[00:16]
mcorlett	Fucks all around!	[00:16]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, no actually they did not pay for it	[00:16]
smickles	er	[00:16]
smickles	"i'd bet"	[00:16]
splatster	I think there are many things that circumvent natural selection. We need to let the stupid ones die.	[00:16]
BTCHero	mmmm actually yeah they did	[00:16]
vragnaroda	BTCHero: Are you smoking crack?	[00:16]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, that hasn't been true for about 50 years	[00:16]
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BTCHero	why because we aren't paying enough for them right now?	[00:17]
BTCHero	they still paid their whole fucking lives	[00:17]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, most people currently receiving ss benefits paid somewhere around 75% of what they will eventually receive	[00:17]
smickles	BTCHero: you don't understand taxes very well, do you?	[00:17]
vragnaroda	I don't have a problem with some collecting SS but any collecting SS is a different thing completely.	[00:17]
BTCHero	My dad paid his whole life and got ss for 5 months then died	[00:17]
vragnaroda	BTCHero: No, they did not contribute nearly as much as they get out of SS.	[00:17]
splatster	SS is a ponzi scheme, it will collapse one day.	[00:17]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, he's a statistical outlier	[00:18]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, the vast majority of people will collect more than they paid in	[00:18]
BTCHero	who lives longer than 65?	[00:18]
smickles	most 'mericans	[00:18]
BTCHero	no one	[00:18]
splatster	A lot of people	[00:18]
phantomcircuit	the majority of the population?	[00:18]
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splatster	people are living into their 90s because of modern medicine.	[00:18]
smickles	also, if you live to see 25, you life expectancy is much higher than the national average	[00:19]
splatster	I have no problem with doctors saving the smart ones, but don't make me pay for some dumbass to live to a ripe old age.	[00:19]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, anybody making > 5k USD/year is expected to live >65	[00:19]
smickles	splatster: fascist	[00:19]
smickles	lol	[00:19]
splatster	smickles: lolnoway	[00:19]
BTCHero	I want a socialist state. I like for the government to hold my hand	[00:19]
vragnaroda	smickles: What?	[00:20]
splatster	BTCHero: NOOOOOOOOOOO!	[00:20]
smickles	vragnaroda: joking	[00:20]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, stop trollin	[00:20]
splatster	Fuck socialism!	[00:20]
djk90	+BTCHero is so right why do you think retirement is 67 in uk most people are nearly dead by then	[00:20]
phantomcircuit	you went from reasonable but wrong liberal too obvious troll in one sentence	[00:20]
djk90	it is just a big con	[00:20]
vragnaroda	.wa life expectancy uk	[00:20]
markac	life expectancy-> ->country->United Kingdom;79.53 years (at birth)	[00:20]
djk90	pension age 67	[00:20]
djk90	ss	[00:21]
BTCHero	We have a responsibility to protect the poor, young, and elderly	[00:21]
splatster	.wa life expectancy ru	[00:21]
markac	all countries, dependencies, and territories->life expectancy U (rack units);69.5 years U (rack units), (based on 227 values; 13 unavailable)	[00:21]
BTCHero	if we don't we are no better than anyone else	[00:21]
vragnaroda	lol	[00:21]
splatster	.wa life expectancy russia	[00:21]
markac	life expectancy-> ->country->Russia;67.89 years (at birth)	[00:21]
phantomcircuit	BTCHero, that is no what social security does	[00:21]
vragnaroda	.wa life expectancy north korea	[00:21]
splatster	.wa life expectancy china	[00:21]
markac	North Korea->life expectancy;63.8 years (world rank: 173rd);population->24 million people (world rank: 49th) (2010 estimate), population density->516 people/mi^2 (people per square mile) (world rank: 64th) (2010 estimate), population growth->0.384 %/yr (world rank: 179th) (2008 estimate), life expectancy->63.8 years (world rank: 173rd) (2009 estimate), median age->33.5 years (world rank: 71st) (2009 estimate);23290 days;559000 hou	[00:21]
smickles	(at birth) <=== misleads many people	[00:21]
markac	China->life expectancy;73.5 years (world rank: 109th);population->1.35 billion people (world rank: 1st) (2010 estimate), population density->376 people/mi^2 (people per square mile) (world rank: 80th) (2010 estimate), population growth->0.63 %/yr (world rank: 154th) (2008 estimate), life expectancy->73.5 years (world rank: 109th) (2009 estimate), median age->34.1 years (world rank: 69th) (2009 estimate);26820 days;643600 hours;3.8	[00:21]
BTCHero	it protects the sick and old	[00:21]
BTCHero	from being homeless and not eating	[00:22]
smickles	.wa life expectancy M.O.M	[00:22]
markac	Couldn't grab results from json stringified precioussss.	[00:22]
vragnaroda	BTCHero: No, it doesn't. It takes from the productive and gives to the rent-seeking.	[00:22]
djk90	thats why you pay your taxes	[00:22]
vragnaroda	Some of the rent seekers are sick and old.	[00:22]
BTCHero	if you are greater than 65 you can't really contribute to society	[00:22]
smickles	djk90: i only pay taxes out of fear of the gov't	[00:22]
vragnaroda	BTCHero: You mean ‹older than›?	[00:22]
BTCHero	yes	[00:22]
vragnaroda	Go fuck yourself.	[00:22]
vragnaroda	Lots of people contribute to society long after 65.	[00:23]
BTCHero	i tried, my penis is too short	[00:23]
rawrmage	GERONTOPHOBIA	[00:23]
BTCHero	lots cant	[00:23]
smickles	clearly trollin'	[00:23]
splatster	.wa life expectancy georgia	[00:23]
markac	Georgia->life expectancy;76.7 years (world rank: 66th);population->4.22 million people (world rank: 126th) (2010 estimate), population density->157 people/mi^2 (people per square mile) (world rank: 145th) (2010 estimate), population growth->-1.17 %/yr (world rank: 239th) (2008 estimate), life expectancy->76.7 years (world rank: 66th) (2009 estimate), median age->38.6 years (world rank: 43rd) (2009 estimate);~~ 0.98 × average	[00:23]
splatster	damn	[00:23]
vragnaroda	That's fine if they can't. I'm not demanding that they do.	[00:23]
splatster	(georgia the country)	[00:23]
BTCHero	I am seriously not trolling. I think we need to take our funny money and give it to those who need it so they can have the basic neccessities. They aren't living well on ss	[00:23]
djk90	The only thing certain in life is death and taxes	[00:23]
smickles	why do people have to be productive?	[00:23]
splatster	.wa life expectancy japan	[00:23]
markac	life expectancy-> ->country->Japan;82.96 years (at birth)	[00:24]
splatster	DAMN!	[00:24]
Blitzboom	what is "contributing to society" and what do bitcoiners have a business with it?	[00:24]
splatster	.wa life expectancy us	[00:24]
markac	life expectancy-> ->country->United States;78.21 years (at birth);living past age 10->99.1%, living past age 20->98.7%, living past age 30->97.7%, living past age 40->96.4%, living past age 50->93.7%, living past age 60->88.0%, living past age 70->76.8%, living past age 80->55.5%, living past age 90->23.6%, living past age 100->2.8%dying before age 10->0.85%, dying before age 20->1.3%, dying before age 30->2.3%, dying before age 40->3.6%, dyin	[00:24]
smickles	splatster: that's getting annoying :(	[00:24]
rawrmage	nice percentages	[00:24]
vragnaroda	[17:23] < smickles> \| why do people have to be productive? <-- the fuck?	[00:24]
rawrmage	i like those percentages	[00:24]
splatster	Okay I'm done	[00:24]
Blitzboom	why do people have to consume?	[00:25]
Blitzboom	there you got your answer	[00:25]
splatster	All this was stared with one line "[3:10 PM] Holy shit! 1 in 7 in U.S. Receive Food Stamps."	[00:25]
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BTCHero	Foodstamps for everyone!!!!	[00:25]
Blitzboom	damn socialism	[00:25]
vragnaroda	No. That's not part of this discussion.	[00:25]
vragnaroda	Food stamps and SS have nothing to do with each other.	[00:25]
splatster	Yay for controversial discussions!	[00:25]
vragnaroda	That preceded this discussion.	[00:26]
Blitzboom	SS?	[00:26]
BTCHero	Nazis	[00:26]
splatster	Social Securit	[00:26]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: Social Security.	[00:26]
splatster	Social Security*	[00:26]
Blitzboom	is social security a pyramid scheme as well?	[00:26]
smickles	vragnaroda: i mean, people are not really required to contribute to society, except by, i suppose, other people saying they should/haveto	[00:26]
BTCHero	People on welfare contribute to society. That is why welfare exists to keep the money velocity high	[00:27]
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vragnaroda	I wouldn't call it a pyramid. It is a Ponzi scheme, though.	[00:27]
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splatster	vragnaroda: +1	[00:27]
vragnaroda	There isn't much hierarchy to it and you can't get rich by being in it earlier. ;p	[00:27]
splatster	People pay in and are payed back by other people paying who are also expecting to get more later. Ponzi scheme.	[00:27]
smickles	BTCHero: i hope you don't mean that all people on welfare contribute to society	[00:28]
vragnaroda	*paid	[00:28]
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BTCHero	indirectly yes	[00:28]
splatster	fuck	[00:28]
BTCHero	The government gives that money out so they can stimulate the economy	[00:28]
splatster	I keep misspelling paid!	[00:28]
BTCHero	falsely build it up	[00:28]
vragnaroda	Oh Jesus Christ.	[00:28]
BTCHero	Am I banned?	[00:28]
splatster	YES!	[00:29]
rawrmage	lol	[00:29]
smickles	is that your goal?	[00:29]
splatster	"stimulate the economy?"	[00:29]
BTCHero	tickle it	[00:29]
smickles	must be a french tickler	[00:29]
smickles	'cause it's fucking us	[00:29]
BTCHero	how?	[00:29]
smickles	i dunno, that just sounded poetic	[00:29]
BTCHero	Increased taxes?	[00:29]
BTCHero	welfare is just the tip of the economic penis, they have 12 inches of other shit behind it they want to ram in	[00:30]
pigeons	http://mises.org/Literature	[00:32]
vragnaroda	If Baby Boomers wanted Social Security when they retire, they should have had more kids. While they were supporting SS recipients they had something like a 7:1 ratio while they're demanding a much greater (even when inflation-adjusted) payout from something like a 2:1 ratio of productive taxpayers to SS recipients.	[00:32]
BTCHero	I agree that SS isn't sustainable.	[00:33]
unclemantis	Bitcoin is just one big Fonzy scheme. Also you are helping to decode Russian secrets at the same time while helping the mafia laudrer money through MtGox. Way to go people!!!	[00:33]
smickles	unclemantis: that's why i do it	[00:33]
unclemantis	to help the Fonz?	[00:34]
splatster	unclemantis: me too.	[00:34]
unclemantis	because you are a communist?	[00:34]
splatster	Yep	[00:34]
Cusipzzz	i prefer potsie schemes	[00:34]
splatster	Jk	[00:34]
unclemantis	because big louie told you to do it	[00:34]
unclemantis	all of the above?	[00:34]
vragnaroda	Someone's standard of living is going to decline and that ought to be on the ones that are responsible for this mess.	[00:34]
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Guest84707	fuck you irc	[00:34]
BTCHero	Legislature?	[00:35]
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smickles	the businesses that took it out ppls paychecks?	[00:35]
*	smickles really should get off irc for a bit	[00:36]
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djk90	+vragnaroda who is responsible?	[00:36]
smickles	boomers for not realizing how the system worked	[00:36]
BTCHero	boomers for wearing condoms	[00:37]
pigeons	could it be... Satan?	[00:37]
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danieldaniel123	what	[00:37]
vragnaroda	The generation that didn't build up the capital to support the system they expect their children and grandchildren to pay for with drastically fewer resources per supported person.	[00:37]
smickles	ofc it's satan	[00:37]
danieldaniel123	the fuck is wrong with nickserv	[00:37]
danieldaniel123	seriously	[00:37]
smickles	nothing on my end	[00:37]
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DBordello	nickserv was lagged when i used it	[00:38]
danieldaniel123	i think I broke it	[00:38]
danieldaniel123	XD	[00:38]
djk90	vragnaroda you are saying the peolpe done this?	[00:38]
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smickles	gov't of the ppl, by the ppl , for the ppl	[00:38]
BTCHero	lol	[00:39]
danieldaniel	fucking there	[00:39]
vragnaroda	djk90: Could you rephrase that in English, please?	[00:39]
Shibofu	buying btc with moneypak	[00:39]
*	BTCHero Checks mtgox price	[00:39]
BTCHero	Nope not today :)	[00:39]
djk90	vragnaroda are you from usa?	[00:40]
vragnaroda	I am.	[00:40]
Shibofu	5 a btc?	[00:40]
BTCHero	yes	[00:40]
danieldaniel	Shibofu: yes	[00:40]
BTCHero	I will	[00:40]
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Shibofu	kk	[00:40]
btcjunkie	who accepts popmoney? under 100	[00:40]
djk90	iam from uk you are speaking my language	[00:40]
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EasyAt\|	popmoney/	[00:40]
EasyAt\|	?	[00:40]
Shibofu	one sec my browser is actin up brb	[00:40]
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vragnaroda	It's not yours.	[00:41]
danieldaniel	lol	[00:41]
danieldaniel	browser irc ftl	[00:41]
danieldaniel	luke-jr: you here?	[00:41]
luke-jr	…	[00:41]
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danieldaniel	lol	[00:41]
*	vragnaroda smacks luke-jr.	[00:41]
*	danieldaniel smacks vragnaroda	[00:41]
danieldaniel	:3	[00:41]
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danieldaniel	in a nice way	[00:41]
danieldaniel	don't kick pl0x	[00:41]
rawrmage	/kick danieldaniel	[00:42]
danieldaniel	:D	[00:42]
danieldaniel	D:*	[00:42]
smickles	smack in a nice way == love tap == fuck	[00:42]
danieldaniel	fail emoticon	[00:42]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: “in a nice way” <-- wtf	[00:42]
btcjunkie	https://www.popmoney.com/ does anybody here accept this? it comes straight from my bank	[00:42]
djk90	vragnaroda thats why its called english	[00:42]
djk90	not USA	[00:42]
djk90	english	[00:42]
Shibofu	how to pm?	[00:42]
BTCHero	Shibofu /query	[00:43]
Shibofu	t/query BTCHero	[00:43]
Shibofu	=P	[00:43]
BTCHero	almost	[00:43]
djk90	??	[00:43]
btcjunkie	lol	[00:43]
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vragnaroda	djk90: It's called English because it was originally spoken in Angeln.	[00:43]
djk90	English	[00:44]
vragnaroda	Not because you or your present countrymen are its creator.	[00:44]
djk90	NOT USA	[00:44]
btcjunkie	is this a bitcoin IRC? lol has anybody in here ever heard of popmoney?	[00:44]
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djk90	ITS NOT HARD	[00:44]
danieldaniel	btcjunkie:	[00:44]
vragnaroda	djk90: Angeln, where it was originally spoken, by the way, is in Schleswig-Holstein.	[00:44]
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vragnaroda	That would be Germany.	[00:45]
danieldaniel	is it possible to pay with a cc?	[00:45]
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phantomcircuit	btcjunkie, popmoney is a ridiculous form of ach credit transfer	[00:45]
btcjunkie	why so?	[00:45]
rawrmage	;;rallymode	[00:45]
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vragnaroda	I know how you Yuropeans are geographically challenged.	[00:45]
danieldaniel	wow	[00:45]
danieldaniel	;;eauth danieldaniel	[00:45]
phantomcircuit	btcjunkie, if someone has an account at another bank then popmoney results in an ach debit and an ach credit	[00:45]
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phantomcircuit	btcjunkie, the system literally doubles the time to transfer	[00:46]
djk90	vragnaroda iam from uk and you are trying to tell me my history	[00:46]
btcjunkie	wow so were talking 6 days turnvaround?	[00:46]
vragnaroda	No, I'm not. It has nothing to do with you other than the possible involvement of some of your ancestors.	[00:46]
phantomcircuit	btcjunkie, lol yeah	[00:46]
djk90	typical american	[00:46]
btcjunkie	@#64;phantom do you accept wire transfer?	[00:47]
smickles	djk90: the winners write history, 'merica won	[00:47]
smickles	;)	[00:47]
btcjunkie	;; guide	[00:47]
vragnaroda	In that I'm not an obsequious little pissant, perhaps, yes, I'm a typical American.	[00:47]
djk90	you stole america	[00:47]
btcjunkie	;;guide	[00:47]
djk90	dont forget it	[00:47]
danieldaniel	djk90: lol	[00:48]
smickles	djk90: stole, but still won	[00:48]
vragnaroda	I haven't stolen anything.	[00:48]
djk90	won wot?	[00:48]
smickles	everything	[00:48]
danieldaniel	lol	[00:48]
smickles	so far	[00:48]
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djk90	you killed of the true owners of the land	[00:48]
djk90	murders	[00:48]
smickles	'merica, fuck yeah	[00:48]
djk90	and that is just for starter	[00:49]
vragnaroda	I have never killed anyone in Western Hemisphere.	[00:49]
djk90	+vragnaroda wot	[00:49]
djk90	of topic	[00:49]
smickles	djk90: also, you cant blame me for what other ppl did ;)	[00:49]
vragnaroda	s/in/in the/	[00:49]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: lol	[00:49]
Shibofu	trading a $140 money pak for btc. current bid is 5 a piece. can you beat it? ;)	[00:49]
smickles	not rightfully anyway	[00:49]
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djk90	smickles you are not eveil just the evil people	[00:50]
vragnaroda	Why?	[00:50]
djk90	ie banks	[00:50]
rawrmage	no true scotsman	[00:50]
djk90	vragnaroda why wot	[00:50]
vragnaroda	Why evil?	[00:51]
splatster	"I ordered the jerk and she said, 'you are what you eat.'"	[00:51]
djk90	+vragnaroda still of topic	[00:51]
smickles	.g test	[00:51]
markac	smickles: http://test.com/	[00:51]
rawrmage	All americans are evil! Except for you	[00:51]
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vragnaroda	Also, I find it really amusing that a Brit should tell anyone that some other nationality is evil because of banks.	[00:51]
MBS	all evils are american	[00:51]
djk90	just most of the goverment are	[00:51]
Shibofu	buying BTC with moneypak! current offer is $5 per btc. Anyone can do lower?	[00:51]
vragnaroda	That's about as ignorant of your own history as can be.	[00:52]
pigeons	all humans are capable of evil	[00:52]
pep_	;;guide	[00:52]
smickles	vragnaroda: i think it's amusing too	[00:52]
danieldaniel	Shibofu: how much is it?	[00:52]
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djk90	vragnaroda a least we have a real history	[00:52]
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mod6	flame! flame!	[00:52]
Shibofu	140	[00:52]
smickles	" a real history", lol	[00:52]
vragnaroda	Yes, but it's nothing to be proud of.	[00:52]
djk90	vragnaroda not fake history	[00:52]
dirkdizzler	the brits did something awesome with banks in the 1400's right	[00:53]
djk90	like us	[00:53]
dirkdizzler	changed it all?	[00:53]
djk90	bank of england	[00:53]
vragnaroda	We went from 0% literacy to 99.999% literacy in 400 years whereas it took you people millenia from when writing was introduced.	[00:53]
djk90	thats were money came from	[00:53]
djk90	after gold	[00:53]
smickles	sex after gold is better	[00:54]
danieldaniel	;;ident luke-jr	[00:54]
gribble	Nick 'luke-jr', with hostmask 'luke-jr!~luke-jr@#64;2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49', is not identified.	[00:54]
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djk90	vragnaroda it seems to you just think you know everthing but wot you think you know you dont know	[00:54]
smickles	luke comes in on ipv6	[00:55]
luke-jr	gribble: you suck	[00:55]
Shibofu	Buying BTC with $140 moneypak @#64; $5 a btc	[00:55]
djk90	i know that	[00:55]
luke-jr	;;pgp eauth luke-jr	[00:55]
danieldaniel	gribble: it's ok, luke is just being mean	[00:55]
djk90	%100	[00:55]
danieldaniel	:)	[00:55]
danieldaniel	fail tabcomplete	[00:55]
danieldaniel	>.>	[00:55]
vragnaroda	> %100 <-- WHAT THE FUCK is that?	[00:55]
rawrmage	lol	[00:55]
danieldaniel	LOL	[00:56]
dirkdizzler	100% = vrag wrongitude	[00:56]
danieldaniel	;;ident luke-jr	[00:56]
gribble	Nick 'luke-jr', with hostmask 'luke-jr!~luke-jr@#64;2001:470:5:265:222:4dff:fe50:4c49', is identified as user luke-jr, with GPG key id 665FC11DD53E9583, and key fingerprint CE5AD56A36CC69FAE7D23558665FC11DD53E9583.	[00:56]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: rpn	[00:56]
dirkdizzler	that's how i interpreted	[00:56]
smickles	noone knows anything 100%	[00:56]
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djk90	vragnaroda> Nieve	[00:56]
djk90	think you konw but dont	[00:56]
dirkdizzler	knave or niave	[00:56]
djk90	you must be young	[00:56]
djk90	a lot to learn	[00:56]
djk90	unlucky	[00:57]
vragnaroda	I believe I'm older than most of the people in here.	[00:57]
djk90	keep reading	[00:57]
dirkdizzler	many lines	[00:57]
Shibofu	Buying BTC with $140 moneypak @#64; $5 a btc	[00:57]
dirkdizzler	of chat	[00:57]
dirkdizzler	make much sense	[00:57]
dirkdizzler	one	[00:57]
dirkdizzler	more	[00:57]
vigilyn	foolish knave	[00:57]
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smickles	djk90: ,,view	[00:58]
gribble	#6789 Mon Feb 13 07:31:27 2012 smickles SELL 25.0 usd @#64; 4.2289 btc (in the form of a CrackerBarrel gift card, shipping included)	[00:58]
djk90	vragnaroda highly abusive, hypocritical and immature 9159 Metabank vragnaroda 2012-02-17 12:55:11 -10 Left me negative rate about deal he wasn't involved in. We never traded. Defending the guy who sent me paypal that was reversed, telling me that I was aware of risks so I should accept loss. Avoid. 1229 LaoShanLong vragnaroda 2011-04-21 20:11:13 1 1507 alte vragnaroda 2011-05-01 01:38:25 1 5235 psymin vragnar	[00:58]
vragnaroda	vigilyn: No, he said ‘nieve’ first. A nieve is a serf.	[00:58]
djk90	thats your rating	[00:58]
rawrmage	your copypasting sucks djk90	[00:58]
djk90	highly abusive, hypocritical and immature	[00:58]
rawrmage	also nice selective ignorance, djk90 :)	[00:58]
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rawrmage	;;getrating vragnaroda	[00:58]
gribble	User vragnaroda, created on Thu Apr 21 13:11:13 2011. Cumulative rating 15, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 17 positive, 2 negative. Sent ratings: 19 positive, 8 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=vragnaroda Currently authenticated from hostmask vragnaroda!~vragnarod@#64;unaffiliated/vragnaroda	[00:58]
rawrmage	;;gettrust vragnaroda	[00:58]
gribble	Trust relationship from user rawrmage to user vragnaroda: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=rawrmage&dest=vragnaroda	[00:58]
djk90	highly vigilant in discouraging BS on the rating system	[00:59]
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mcorlett	vragnaroda: Did you actually "Left me negative rate about deal he wasn't involved in."?	[00:59]
rawrmage	oh snap, vragnaroda, those -10s hurt your rating :S	[00:59]
djk90	vragnaroda its there in black and white unlucky	[00:59]
danieldaniel	holy crap… he's only rated 15???	[01:00]
danieldaniel	He's like the most active person here	[01:00]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: I've rated several people negatively that I did not trade with. They did things that made me distrust them.	[01:00]
djk90	punishes abuses of the rating system	[01:00]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: Yes, but I don't actually trade that much.	[01:00]
Guest71917	Scholarships will be available for students only.	[01:00]
Guest71917	Churches will be encouraged, but not required, to offer	[01:00]
Guest71917	scholarships to their student delegates.	[01:00]
danieldaniel	wow	[01:00]
rawrmage	i have a fairly low rating too lol	[01:00]
rawrmage	;;getrating rawrmage	[01:00]
gribble	User rawrmage, created on Mon Sep 19 17:39:15 2011. Cumulative rating 24, from 17 total ratings. Received ratings: 17 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 20 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=rawrmage Currently authenticated from hostmask rawrmage!~servnix@#64;pdpc/supporter/student/rawrmage	[01:00]
dirkdizzler	as do i	[01:00]
danieldaniel	here i was thinking that you were rated like 5943754686556	[01:00]
djk90	+vragnaroda not a nice person	[01:00]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: In that situation, specifically, did you rate the person based on hearsay about a deal?	[01:00]
rawrmage	activity does not correlate to rating	[01:00]
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rawrmage	well, that's not true, it does, but not strongly	[01:01]
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vragnaroda	mcorlett: No, I rated those people based on the evidence at hand. In no situation was it just the victim saying “so and so did X.”	[01:01]
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mcorlett	That sounds reasonable.	[01:02]
SerajewelKS	i have rated people negatively without trading with them as well	[01:02]
SerajewelKS	it's called a "web of trust" after all, not a "web of people i've traded with"	[01:03]
danieldaniel	;;rated luke-jr	[01:03]
SerajewelKS	if i have reason not to trust someone, they get a negative rating	[01:03]
luke-jr	:;rate SerajewelKS -10 joker	[01:04]
danieldaniel	lol	[01:04]
djk90	vragnaroda trying to tell a english men his own history not a good idea	[01:04]
vragnaroda	When foodst4mp finally got to within 10 of having a negative rating, I made a new key for a user named “fuck you” and gave him another rating. I sockpuppeted the ratings book for amusement.	[01:04]
vragnaroda	> a english men	[01:04]
vragnaroda	djk90: You're trolling.	[01:04]
djk90	of topic	[01:05]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: duh	[01:05]
vragnaroda	Not only that, but you're no longer entertaining.	[01:05]
luke-jr	kick! kick! kick!	[01:05]
danieldaniel	lol	[01:05]
luke-jr	who wants to buy some Midas Money?	[01:05]
SerajewelKS	luke-jr: :P	[01:06]
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rawrmage	luke-jr: what is that	[01:06]
luke-jr	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFhgfA1G2Uw	[01:06]
mcorlett	Who got Luke started?	[01:06]
rawrmage	.title	[01:06]
luke-jr	rawrmage: ^	[01:06]
luke-jr	mcorlett: mizerydearia	[01:06]
markac	rawrmage: Best Anime Moments - Msyu's Overheated Economy - YouTube	[01:06]
rawrmage	lol	[01:06]
mcorlett	;;rate mizerydearia -1 Got Luke started.	[01:06]
vragnaroda	lol, of course that's what it is with him.	[01:06]
danieldaniel	.title	[01:07]
markac	danieldaniel: Best Anime Moments - Msyu's Overheated Economy - YouTube	[01:07]
rawrmage	i already SAID that	[01:07]
danieldaniel	oh	[01:07]
vragnaroda	lol	[01:07]
rawrmage	pay ATTENTION	[01:07]
rawrmage	IN CLASS	[01:07]
djk90	vragnaroda thanks for the debate	[01:07]
djk90	i won	[01:07]
luke-jr	No, I won.	[01:08]
vragnaroda	djk90: (a) It wasn't a debate and (b) please stop trolling.	[01:08]
copumpkin	lol	[01:08]
vragnaroda	Yes, I think spectators were the only winners in that.	[01:08]
luke-jr	Just because I didn't take part, doesn't mean I can't win.	[01:08]
djk90	ha	[01:08]
luke-jr	^	[01:08]
SerajewelKS	;;gettrust vragnaroda	[01:09]
copumpkin	lol, british history	[01:09]
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djk90	we allways fear wot we dont understand	[01:09]
SerajewelKS	yeah, the nice thing about the WoT is that it's fairly hard for trolls to poison it	[01:09]
copumpkin	djk90: was that a pun on WOT?	[01:10]
rawrmage	that's how he spells "what", not WoT :P	[01:10]
djk90	what	[01:10]
splatster	What?	[01:10]
splatster	Wot?	[01:10]
splatster	WoT?	[01:10]
djk90	wot	[01:10]
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rawrmage	Wat?	[01:10]
vragnaroda	,gy	[01:10]
splatster	AHHH!	[01:10]
vragnaroda	wut	[01:10]
smickles	wot?	[01:10]
rawrmage	ma	[01:10]
SerajewelKS	it sounds like jemain clement in here	[01:10]
splatster	Wut da hell?	[01:10]
djk90	wooto	[01:10]
copumpkin	rawrmage: angkor	[01:10]
dirkdizzler	wham	[01:10]
splatster	WTF!??!?!?!?!	[01:10]
rawrmage	copumpkin: mo	[01:10]
vragnaroda	I switch layouts too often.	[01:10]
SerajewelKS	jemaine*	[01:11]
copumpkin	angkor thom	[01:11]
dirkdizzler	whoosh	[01:11]
copumpkin	or angkor wat	[01:11]
smickles	dirkdizzler: wham? wake me up before you go girl	[01:11]
rawrmage	khmer	[01:11]
copumpkin	rouge	[01:11]
dirkdizzler	have me hanging on the line	[01:11]
copumpkin	politique potentielle	[01:11]
dirkdizzler	wait that gerogre michael	[01:11]
rawrmage	pol	[01:11]
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rawrmage	copumpkin: lol	[01:12]
copumpkin	everyone should read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Killing-Fields-Haing-Ngor/dp/0786713151	[01:12]
copumpkin	(for the world's ultimate uplifting story)	[01:12]
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dirkdizzler	http://youtu.be/r_8wRpgvhyg	[01:13]
dirkdizzler	i wish to make	[01:13]
mcorlett	#bitcoin-bookclub?	[01:13]
copumpkin	it's a good story	[01:14]
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vragnaroda	[18:13] < mcorlett> \| #bitcoin-bookclub? <-- That sounds like a good idea.	[01:14]
smickles	http://www.econlib.org/library/Smith/smWN.html for #bitcoin-bookclub	[01:14]
C4colo	Selling 4 BTC @#64; 4.25 PPUSD each	[01:14]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Ten bucks say it'd only be political discussion anyway.	[01:15]
dirkdizzler	it would degenerate into politics	[01:15]
rawrmage	lol	[01:15]
djk90	read this book my farther wrote it he was in the SAS http://www.amazon.com/Bioterrorism-Family-Guide-John-Kingsley/dp/1413706924	[01:15]
copumpkin	the guy survived the worst shit ever, had to watch his wife die of a trivial illness and couldn't admit to being a doctor because he'd be killed for it, and eventually made it to the US with a locket with a pic of his wife. Then in CA, a few years later, some gang tried to steal that locket from him and he refused, so they shot him	[01:15]
dirkdizzler	that just goes to show the world is evolving	[01:16]
djk90	everything you need to survie	[01:16]
danieldaniel	C4colo: :O	[01:17]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[01:17]
gribble	pong	[01:17]
mcorlett	Stealing from reddit: "BTC-like cryptocurrency with arbitrary tradeable computation in proofs of work" - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B3qaT-ZL6aeKMWFhNmIwOGYtNWM2Yi00ZTU0LTkxZjMtZGYzNjUwNWJhZTBm	[01:18]
danieldaniel	;;ident C4colo	[01:18]
gribble	Nick 'C4colo', with hostmask 'C4colo!~DJpyro@#64;184-96-252-93.hlrn.qwest.net', is identified as user C4colo, with GPG key id EFD6C931041DC729, and key fingerprint 50CC053C40265F1EA478C5C3AC4FF1FD87F9EA19.	[01:18]
danieldaniel	;;getrating C4colo	[01:18]
gribble	User C4colo, created on Thu May 26 06:33:34 2011. Cumulative rating 17, from 11 total ratings. Received ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=C4colo Currently authenticated from hostmask C4colo!~DJpyro@#64;184-96-252-93.hlrn.qwest.net	[01:18]
smickles	mcorlett: i just read it a "NooShit"	[01:19]
OneFixt	djk90: is there a copy for <150usd?	[01:19]
djk90	OneFixt yes	[01:19]
mcorlett	smickles: That's for another audience.	[01:19]
djk90	+OneFixt my farther was in sas	[01:20]
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djk90	knows everthing	[01:20]
OneFixt	i saw you mention it	[01:20]
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copumpkin	ಠ_ಠ	[01:20]
djk90	about everthing	[01:20]
copumpkin	"farther" ?	[01:20]
copumpkin	twice?	[01:20]
djk90	my farther	[01:20]
djk90	dad	[01:20]
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copumpkin	ಠ_ಠ	[01:20]
mcorlett	ಠ_ಠ	[01:20]
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smickles	ಠ_ಠ	[01:21]
OneFixt	"father"	[01:21]
djk90	witney houstons body gaurd	[01:21]
mcorlett	STOP IT	[01:21]
copumpkin	djk90: you're doing this on purpose	[01:21]
djk90	and many others	[01:21]
OneFixt	ok now i'm not so sure anymore	[01:21]
OneFixt	;;getrating djk90	[01:21]
dirkdizzler	no it's a real life troll	[01:21]
dirkdizzler	you can probably pet it	[01:22]
*	copumpkin applies some vaseline	[01:22]
Pucilowski	C4colo still got those 4 BTCs?	[01:22]
danieldaniel	nope	[01:22]
danieldaniel	he doesn't	[01:22]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to vragnaroda	[01:23]
splatster	Uh oh!	[01:23]
danieldaniel	Uh oh!	[01:23]
splatster	vragnaroda is OPd!	[01:23]
copumpkin	ಠ_ಠ	[01:23]
*	vragnaroda sets ban on !@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.149.195.167$#bitcoin-dungeon	[01:23]
splatster	DUCK AND COVER!	[01:23]
danieldaniel	EVERYONE HIDE!	[01:23]
*	vragnaroda has kicked djk90 from #bitcoin-otc (I told you if you were going to troll, to be entertaining.)	[01:23]
copumpkin	oh, it's an invitation to vragnaroda's personal dungeon	[01:23]
*	splatster hides	[01:23]
danieldaniel	:)	[01:23]
C4colo	CANCEL: sold them, sorry	[01:23]
smickles	lol	[01:23]
danieldaniel	wait… Why isn't he deoping	[01:24]
danieldaniel	oh crap	[01:24]
*	vragnaroda removes channel operator status from vragnaroda	[01:24]
vragnaroda	lol	[01:24]
danieldaniel	oh, good	[01:24]
Greed	vragnaroda, vragnaroda, vragnaroda	[01:24]
Greed	Can't you see	[01:24]
Greed	Sometimes your words just hypnotize me	[01:24]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: I felt compelled to enter your dungeon, since you so kindly joined my book club.	[01:24]
OneFixt	that would have made his 'farther' a bodyguard at 60+ years of age	[01:25]
OneFixt	since john kingsley died in 2011 at 84	[01:25]
danieldaniel	MTGOX-USD-MPDEF-9G5TZ-EF27F-Y4ZUH (the last two parts are switched, no bots :))	[01:25]
OneFixt	and houston was not famous till '85	[01:25]
rawrmage	<+splatster> vragnaroda is OPd! ← nerf bat inc	[01:25]
Greed	I still have trouble picture pirateat40 as anything other than a white Snoop Dogg.	[01:26]
mcorlett	danieldaniel: Wasn't worth the energy my body exerted moving the mouse. Thanks anyway.	[01:26]
danieldaniel	lol	[01:26]
danieldaniel	MTGOX-BTC-TSPHR-AALTV-7EC64-PPYJR	[01:28]
danieldaniel	last two switched	[01:28]
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rawrmage	aww	[01:29]
CaptainDDL	.00001337 :D	[01:29]
CaptainDDL	thanks :P	[01:29]
mcorlett	hi	[01:29]
mcorlett	I don't even...	[01:29]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: Well, of course #bitcoin-dungeon is +m so djk90 feels the need to PM people.	[01:30]
danieldaniel	lol	[01:30]
danieldaniel	can I have voice?	[01:30]
danieldaniel	i feel left out	[01:31]
danieldaniel	:(	[01:31]
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mcorlett	danieldaniel: First you need to go through out dungeon AML compliance verification process.	[01:31]
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danieldaniel	lol	[01:31]
splatster	;;rate C4colo 1 Bought 5 BTC with PPUSD, no BS trade.	[01:31]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user C4colo has been recorded.	[01:31]
danieldaniel	splatster: how much for each?	[01:32]
splatster	danieldaniel: 4.25	[01:32]
danieldaniel	Screw that	[01:32]
danieldaniel	I only got four	[01:32]
danieldaniel	:(	[01:32]
splatster	I only got 4.9995	[01:32]
splatster	:)	[01:32]
danieldaniel	D:	[01:32]
splatster	Money, money, money, money! MONEY!	[01:33]
BTCHero	is that supposed to be the apprentice theme song?	[01:35]
Cory	splatster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVAVaZqNeak	[01:36]
splatster	Cory: No, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A	[01:36]
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Cory	I like mine better.	[01:36]
amill	VRAG seems to me in here the moderaters need modrating this is the internet freedoom not bitcoin dictatorship	[01:37]
Cory	Isn't "like better" kind of an odd expression? Maybe vragnaroda knows why it's like that.	[01:37]
rawrmage	amill: lol	[01:38]
amill	LOL	[01:38]
amill	BAD MAN	[01:38]
rawrmage	you're so funny	[01:38]
amill	VRAG	[01:38]
amill	PICKS ON EVERYBODY	[01:38]
rawrmage	lol	[01:38]
amill	BULLY	[01:38]
BTCHero	he is quite the asshole	[01:38]
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*	rawrmage pats amill	[01:38]
BTCHero	:)	[01:38]
rawrmage	sit, filly	[01:38]
nyan	anyone selling BTC through pp?	[01:39]
amill	LOL	[01:39]
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amill	lol	[01:39]
amill	i pitty vrag	[01:39]
nyan	btc hero ur name looks familiar	[01:39]
amill	sad boy	[01:39]
splatster	;;rate nanotube 1 Loaned me just over 1 BTC for few days.	[01:39]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.	[01:39]
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rawrmage	amill: I pity you when he returns	[01:40]
amill	and did you see his ratings	[01:40]
oddlifter	have mp. need btc.. pm	[01:40]
amill	dont care	[01:40]
BTCHero	nyan it shouldn't i only hang out here	[01:40]
nyan	good luk i had moneypak and no one sold btc	[01:40]
amill	he does not own otc	[01:40]
oddlifter	:(	[01:40]
amill	freenode	[01:40]
amill	free	[01:40]
rawrmage	freenode isn't free	[01:40]
amill	he dosent seem to understand that	[01:41]
splatster	;;getrating splatster	[01:41]
gribble	User splatster, created on Fri Jan 13 22:39:48 2012. Cumulative rating 21, from 16 total ratings. Received ratings: 16 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 17 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=splatster Currently authenticated from hostmask splatster!~splatster@#64;unaffiliated/splatster	[01:41]
rawrmage	your little rant is funny	[01:41]
rawrmage	http://i.imgur.com/DjDgd.jpg	[01:41]
amill	that djk dude KICK HIS ASS IN A COVERSATION	[01:41]
mcorlett	Guess the link for a treat!	[01:41]
mcorlett	https://www.instawallet.org/w/read_this_book_my__wrote_it_he_was_in_the_SAS	[01:41]
samumedic	I had to get a new computer and now I have hard time importing a GPG certifacte I made previously on this account... does anyone know how to bring up your old gpg certifcate on new computer?	[01:42]
amill	vrag did not know wot to do	[01:42]
rawrmage	mcorlett: boyfriend?	[01:42]
amill	so he ignored him	[01:42]
mcorlett	rawrmage: Close!	[01:42]
mcorlett	I'm not revealing anything.	[01:42]
nanotube	samumedic: just copy over your old secring.gpg. or if you have exported it, try gpg --import	[01:42]
rawrmage	oh that's not a reddit link	[01:42]
rawrmage	that's an instawallet link	[01:42]
amill	VRAG seems to me in here the moderaters need modrating this is the internet freedoom not bitcoin dictatorship	[01:43]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to vragnaroda	[01:43]
mcorlett	Déjà vu!	[01:43]
amill	sorry i had to say that again	[01:43]
gfinn	amill: huh	[01:43]
amill	it so true	[01:43]
*	vragnaroda sets ban on !@#64;@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.169.145.50$#bitcoin-dungeon	[01:43]
*	vragnaroda has kicked amill from #bitcoin-otc (ban evasion)	[01:43]
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danieldaniel	whats !*!@#64;	[01:44]
rawrmage	a mas	[01:44]
rawrmage	and you typed it wrong	[01:44]
danieldaniel	oh	[01:44]
danieldaniel	yeah	[01:44]
danieldaniel	what is it tho?	[01:44]
rawrmage	mask	[01:44]
danieldaniel	oh	[01:44]
rawrmage	mcorlett: hmm	[01:45]
samumedic	I was succesfully able to import my old gpg.. but the problem is I don't know how to make set that imported certificate as my own gpg. (in other words, i cant decryptify) :(	[01:45]
*	vragnaroda sets ban on !@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.169.145.50$#bitcoin-dungeon	[01:45]
mcorlett	Nobody guessed the link? I'm disappointed.	[01:45]
*	vragnaroda removes ban on !@#64;@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.169.145.50$#bitcoin-dungeon	[01:45]
rawrmage	mcorlett: i've tried all the male relatives I could think of...	[01:45]
oddlifter	have mp. need btc.. pm	[01:45]
Cory	SAS?	[01:46]
rawrmage	father, grandfather, dad, uncle, greatgrandfather, grandpa	[01:46]
SerajewelKS	samumedic: youprobably imported your public key	[01:46]
mcorlett	rawrmage: Father is quite close.	[01:46]
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SerajewelKS	samumedic: you need to import your private key too, or you cannot decrypt or sign	[01:47]
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rawrmage	mcorlett: one word?	[01:47]
mcorlett	Yes.	[01:47]
CaptainDDL	got it :p	[01:47]
mcorlett	I'm giving you too many clues, you'll have to go farther on your own.	[01:47]
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SerajewelKS	samumedic: how did you export your key from the other computer?	[01:48]
CaptainDDL	ty mcorlett	[01:48]
rawrmage	CaptainDDL: what was it?	[01:48]
rawrmage	and how much?	[01:48]
CaptainDDL	https://www.instawallet.org/w/read_this_book_my_farther_wrote_it_he_was_in_the_SAS	[01:48]
CaptainDDL	.09	[01:48]
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rawrmage	farther?	[01:49]
CaptainDDL	I looked up in the chat	[01:49]
rawrmage	why farther?	[01:49]
CaptainDDL	he is mocking a guy that got banned	[01:49]
mcorlett	read this book my farther wrote it he was in the SAS http://www.amazon.com/Bioterrorism-Family-Guide-John-Kingsley/dp/1413706924	[01:49]
CaptainDDL	+OneFixt my farther was in sas	[01:49]
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rawrmage	oh	[01:49]
rawrmage	lol	[01:49]
rawrmage	haha	[01:49]
rawrmage	i had no idea	[01:49]
mcorlett	rawrmage: It was extremely painful watching you struggle, if that makes you feel any better.	[01:50]
rawrmage	lol	[01:50]
Tril	anyone need a moneypak?	[01:51]
jscinoz	I cannot figure this out >_< I've tried a whole bunch of different client versions, but for some reason, my balance is still incorrect >_<	[01:52]
ralfhe	CaptainDDL> https://www.instawallet.org/w/read_this_book_my_farther_wrote_it_he_was_in_the_SAS wot is that?	[01:52]
rawrmage	oh my god	[01:52]
CaptainDDL	lol	[01:52]
rawrmage	vragnarodaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	[01:52]
vragnaroda	Rawr?	[01:53]
rawrmage	ban him again!	[01:53]
rawrmage	:P	[01:53]
jscinoz	it's been like 48 hours since i withdrew fro mtradehill, and i can see the coins with that address in the block chain http://blockchain.info/address/a790743871dbc56264dd4243f293af9b63433e21 but my client still says zero >_<	[01:53]
mcorlett	jscinoz: Is your blockchain up-to-date?	[01:53]
CaptainDDL	jscinoz, what block number is your client up to? if it's still downloading them it might be a while longer.	[01:54]
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*	vragnaroda has kicked ralfhe from #bitcoin-otc (ralfhe)	[01:54]
splatster	And the vrag strikes!	[01:54]
jscinoz	mcorlett: how can I check?	[01:54]
jscinoz	CaptainDDL: where can i find that number?	[01:55]
mcorlett	jscinoz: Depending on your client, in the bottom-right corner.	[01:55]
mcorlett	Mouse-over the icon and it'll pop up.	[01:55]
jscinoz	mcorlett: i'm using bitcoin-qt 0.5.2-r1, i only have the lock icon and the little 'signal' bars for how many connections	[01:55]
mcorlett	The signal bars.	[01:56]
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jscinoz	ah wait i see	[01:56]
jscinoz	hmm its still downloading	[01:56]
jscinoz	ill give it some more time	[01:56]
rawrmage	that's why then	[01:56]
rawrmage	that's why it hasn't shown up	[01:56]
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jscinoz	odd that it's taking so long though, i've had my client open for a few days now	[01:56]
jscinoz	and my connection is reasonably quick	[01:56]
jscinoz	it seems to be stuck at 163101	[01:57]
nanotube	;;bc,blocks	[01:57]
gribble	167426	[01:57]
Tril	jscinoz: lock icon means no network, mouse over it..	[01:57]
mcorlett	jscinoz: If you're feeling adventurous, you can download a copy from http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/blockchain/.	[01:58]
mcorlett	Extract to %AppData%RoamingBitcoin	[01:58]
jscinoz	Tril: i thought the lock was to indicate the wallet is currently encrypted and has not been decrypted in memorty	[01:58]
jscinoz	mcorlett: gentoo, not windows :P and i'll give that a shot	[01:58]
Tril	oh nevermind then	[01:58]
mcorlett	~/.bitcoin	[01:58]
CaptainDDL	jscinoz - you're really close to being caught up...have you tried closing and reopening your bitcoin client?	[01:59]
Tril	jscinoz then mouse over the signal bars and see how many connections :)	[01:59]
CaptainDDL	let it reconnect to the network.	[01:59]
jscinoz	mcorlett: I figured, thanks :)	[01:59]
mcorlett	I don't think it even displays signal bars if connections < 1.	[01:59]
jscinoz	CaptainDDL: restarting it now	[01:59]
jscinoz	Tril: eight	[01:59]
jscinoz	i still have the message that i may need to upgrade, but i thought 0.5.2 was the latest version?	[02:00]
Tril	jscinoz yea forward port 8333 you aren't accepting inbound if it's stuck at 8	[02:00]
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jscinoz	Tril: ah alright, will give it a shot, thanks :)	[02:00]
mcorlett	Tril: That isn't necessary.	[02:01]
jscinoz	I should port forward anyway though :P	[02:01]
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Tril	anyone want a moneypak, buying BTC at 4.4 or mtgox/bitcoinica/LR at 1:1	[02:04]
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splatster	Tril: How much you paying?	[02:07]
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Tril	variable amount at the rate I stated	[02:08]
splatster	Hmmm	[02:09]
splatster	lemme think about it	[02:09]
Vual	Ayone know cheap indian dev that will work for 1 BTC a hour??!!!! SEND THEM MY WAY!!!!!	[02:10]
jscinoz	Tril: that's TCP only right?	[02:12]
Tril	yes	[02:12]
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EasyAt	$4.20 an hour?	[02:13]
EasyAt	Your deals are as bad as mine	[02:13]
splatster	Tril: That's less than minimum wage in the US	[02:13]
splatster	I could get more working at McDonalds	[02:13]
splatster	And I'm not indian.	[02:14]
splatster	And I already have a client.	[02:14]
Tril	splatster: I thnk you're mixing up the conversations here	[02:14]
EasyAt	I might dev for you for about 4 btc an hour	[02:14]
Tril	*think	[02:14]
splatster	Ooops	[02:14]
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Tril	I'm paying $4.40 per BTC, not per hour :)	[02:15]
splatster	Vual: See my earlier set of messages to Tril.	[02:15]
kinlo	Vual: if I just work for 5 minutes I probably get more done with better quality then a cheap indian dev, perhaps you should pay me 20 BTC per hour, spend the same amount, and be better off? :)	[02:15]
EasyAt	$80 an hour? whoosh, thats contracting rates	[02:16]
splatster	I am getting payed $50/hour :)	[02:16]
splatster	paid&*	[02:16]
splatster	paid*	[02:16]
splatster	fuck I need to get that right	[02:17]
EasyAt	contracting?	[02:17]
kinlo	EasyAt: yeah, but I never have seen a single project that has been done by those "cheap" countries that actually worked or delivered on time and so on :)	[02:17]
splatster	Contracting meaning...	[02:17]
splatster	I'm helping with a large project for someone outside of the bitcoin community.	[02:18]
EasyAt	No benifits, usually employed per project	[02:18]
EasyAt	payed more because of lack of benifits	[02:18]
splatster	Ya	[02:18]
splatster	I mean I get bonuses too	[02:18]
EasyAt	rev. share?	[02:18]
splatster	Kinda	[02:19]
EasyAt	I need to do more things like that, more exciting	[02:19]
splatster	Exciting as in so awesome you have to sign an NDA?	[02:19]
danieldaniel	splatster: $50 an hour?????	[02:19]
danieldaniel	:(	[02:19]
splatster	danieldaniel: :)	[02:19]
splatster	I 1up you again!	[02:20]
EasyAt	I have had to sign an NDA at every job pretty much	[02:20]
EasyAt	doesnt mean anything :P	[02:20]
splatster	This project is big tho	[02:20]
splatster	I mean really big	[02:21]
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rg	awww	[02:22]
rg	whats in the boxxxxxxxxx	[02:22]
jscinoz	drugs	[02:22]
rg	what sni the boxxxxXXX????????	[02:22]
rawrmage	lol	[02:22]
EasyAt	thats awesome, send some contract work my way if you ever need a little help :)	[02:22]
splatster	EasyAt: I think he is looking for two more devs...	[02:23]
splatster	EasyAt: PM me :)	[02:23]
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danieldaniel	splatster: what are you making?	[02:29]
splatster	Big Brother made me sign an NDA.	[02:30]
splatster	:)	[02:30]
splatster	It isn't too lenient	[02:30]
splatster	I am doing web related programming/design	[02:30]
danieldaniel	can I join?	[02:30]
danieldaniel	i wouldn't want to be paid	[02:31]
danieldaniel	I'm just bored, and I have a week off of school	[02:31]
splatster	The guy is looking for more than a week of work	[02:31]
pigeons	;;rate paraipan -1 appears to be a statist	[02:31]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user paraipan has been recorded.	[02:31]
splatster	Can we PM about this?	[02:31]
danieldaniel	splatster: I can do way more	[02:31]
danieldaniel	ok	[02:31]
vragnaroda	[19:31] <+ pigeons> \| ;;rate paraipan -1 appears to be a statist <-- Does this really need to be in here?	[02:32]
pigeons	sorry, will rate in pm with gribble next time	[02:32]
paraipan	hey sup pigeons	[02:32]
pigeons	sup	[02:32]
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paraipan	what's with the rating	[02:32]
paraipan	?	[02:32]
pigeons	i think if you report someone to the police for doing business, people should be warned in case it happens to them too	[02:33]
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paraipan	ah ok	[02:33]
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paraipan	so now otc is used to warn them for someone who does the right thing	[02:34]
copumpkin	lol	[02:34]
paraipan	pls remove the rating	[02:34]
*	copumpkin is now known as EvilStatist	[02:34]
pigeons	its my trust level of you	[02:34]
paraipan	you don't know me	[02:34]
mcorlett	pigeons: I'm sorry, but if you're doing perfectly legal business, you have nothing to worry about even if someone reports you, no?	[02:34]
EvilStatist	muahahaha	[02:34]
vragnaroda	It's disingenuous at best.	[02:34]
*	EvilStatist is now known as copumpkin	[02:34]
gfinn	most people are statists	[02:35]
gfinn	that rating is not very helpful without more information	[02:35]
copumpkin	mcorlett: ...	[02:35]
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vragnaroda	paraipan: What did you report?	[02:35]
pigeons	;;unrate paraipan	[02:35]
paraipan	bitcoinica	[02:35]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.	[02:35]
pigeons	ok	[02:35]
Cusipzzz	lol wat	[02:35]
paraipan	thanks	[02:35]
gfinn	mcorlett: useless comment	[02:35]
copumpkin	;;rate paraipan -2 wtf, he reported bitcoinica	[02:35]
vragnaroda	paraipan: For what, exactly?	[02:35]
paraipan	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.0	[02:35]
mcorlett	gfinn: Go on...	[02:35]
paraipan	damn them	[02:35]
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paraipan	using mtgox to suck funds into unknown territory	[02:36]
paraipan	you got my attention pigeons now	[02:36]
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copumpkin	;;rate paraipan -2 wtf, he reported bitcoinica	[02:36]
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paraipan	so please tell me your thought ... about me	[02:36]
copumpkin	there we go	[02:36]
paraipan	ok	[02:37]
paraipan	lol	[02:37]
pigeons	well, i saw the thread and it made me not trust you, so i recoreded it, people here seem to think it was inappropriate, so i removed the rating but feel the same way	[02:37]
gfinn	mcorlett: 1) your logic is unsound. legality of actions does not imply safety from the police	[02:37]
copumpkin	"if you aren't a criminal, you have nothing to worry about" is a horrible line of reasoning	[02:37]
gfinn	mcorlett: 2) it's possible that whatever was reported was not legal and hence might be cause to worry	[02:37]
copumpkin	when someone else gets to define what's criminal	[02:37]
paraipan	i don't want another mybitcoin 2.0 happen with bitcoin	[02:38]
vragnaroda	pigeons: I think how you phrased your comment is what got people going.	[02:38]
paraipan	that's all guys	[02:38]
yodaman	anyone here sell bitcouns	[02:38]
mcorlett	gfinn: Let me get this straight: paraipan was of the opinion that what Bitcoinica was doing should be investigated, so he filed a report. How exactly does this lower his trust?	[02:38]
paraipan	pls don't use the rating system for this	[02:38]
paraipan	:(	[02:38]
gfinn	paraipan: what did you report bitcoinica about?	[02:38]
vragnaroda	I don't have a problem with you downrating paraipan for reporting bitcoinica, but “appears to be a statist” isn't it.	[02:38]
yodaman	bitcoins?	[02:38]
yodaman	anyone sell bitcoins in here?	[02:38]
paraipan	nope	[02:39]
gfinn	mcorlett: I didn't say that it does. it might	[02:39]
paraipan	bitcoin isn't even mentioned	[02:39]
paraipan	only the name bitcoinica.com	[02:39]
gfinn	which contains bitcoin	[02:39]
gfinn	obviously	[02:39]
paraipan	that some strange activity happens there	[02:39]
gfinn	"bitcoin"	[02:39]
paraipan	nope	[02:39]
paraipan	not even mtgox	[02:39]
gfinn	what did you report, specifically?	[02:39]
paraipan	no bitcoin mention	[02:39]
paraipan	they use usd	[02:39]
vragnaroda	gfinn: It seems (from skimming that actual document) is that it's not transparent and unregulated.	[02:39]
copumpkin	sounds terrible!	[02:40]
Cusipzzz	go after goldman sachs next imo	[02:40]
copumpkin	heaven forbid something be unregulated	[02:40]
mcorlett	gfinn: Well, it is what got this conversation started.	[02:40]
paraipan	psy's post should help	[02:40]
paraipan	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.msg752915#msg752915	[02:40]
gfinn	mcorlett: if vrag's assessment is right, then yes, it's reason not to trust paraipan	[02:40]
vragnaroda	I've only skimmed it, though, and my Spanish legalese isn't that great.	[02:40]
gfinn	i haven't read whatever it was myself	[02:40]
paraipan	copumpkin pls don't jerk around :\|	[02:40]
paraipan	i was serious about asking them some papers	[02:41]
mcorlett	gfinn: Reporting an unregulated business lowers a person's trust in your book?	[02:41]
paraipan	and they zhoutong ignored me like shit	[02:41]
pigeons	yes	[02:41]
Cusipzzz	your papers...are not in order.	[02:41]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: It lowers my trust.	[02:41]
copumpkin	paraipan: he has no responsibility not to	[02:41]
yavuz	i want to buy 2-3 btc btc with paypal, does someone sell ?	[02:41]
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paraipan	he has	[02:41]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Is it something you would withhold from doing?	[02:41]
copumpkin	why?	[02:41]
danieldaniel	yavuz: bad time	[02:42]
paraipan	because it trades usd and pays interest for deposits	[02:42]
gfinn	mcorlett: reporting _to whom_ and _for what reason_ -- those are the questions that determine the answer to yours	[02:42]
paraipan	that started the issue	[02:42]
paraipan	i even ignored bitcoinica before	[02:42]
gfinn	paraipan: how is that your business?	[02:42]
paraipan	some ppl commented this was a oblique attack	[02:42]
paraipan	because it is	[02:42]
copumpkin	lol	[02:42]
gfinn	they have the right to pay interest if they so chose	[02:43]
paraipan	only aiming bitcoinica.com as online service	[02:43]
paraipan	yeah	[02:43]
paraipan	and be legal about it	[02:43]
gfinn	it's not your business to judge	[02:43]
vragnaroda	And it isn't the Spanish government's job to, either.	[02:43]
yavuz	danieldaniel: do u mean, sellers is sleeping ?	[02:43]
paraipan	so you judge me then	[02:43]
danieldaniel	yavuz: look at the conversation :)	[02:43]
copumpkin	so you're saying that as long as they didn't pay interest, you were fine with it, but as soon as they start actually paying people, you rat them to the authorities?	[02:43]
copumpkin	paraipan: sure	[02:43]
paraipan	man	[02:43]
vragnaroda	paraipan: I'm not using force when I say you're an asshat.	[02:44]
gfinn	paraipan: sure, why not?	[02:44]
paraipan	you tough or what	[02:44]
vragnaroda	;;rate paraipan -2 Meddles in other people's affairs by force	[02:44]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user paraipan has been recorded.	[02:44]
paraipan	i asked for their legal registration in their country	[02:44]
mcorlett	gfinn: I'd love it if you read the document and returned with an answer.	[02:44]
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paraipan	and they didn't even tell waht country is	[02:44]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Is it something you would withhold from doing?	[02:44]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: WHAT	[02:44]
gfinn	mcorlett: give me a direct link, I might look at it	[02:44]
rawrmage	paraipan: wtf man	[02:45]
rawrmage	paraipan: i mean seriosly, wtf	[02:45]
paraipan	i'm speechless...	[02:45]
rawrmage	seriously*	[02:45]
gfinn	mcorlett: is the summary given here not substantially accurate?	[02:45]
copumpkin	paraipan: it isn't your right to see their documents	[02:45]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: If you were in pigeons shoes, would you not report Bitcoinica?	[02:45]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: I'm not defending paraipan, but isn't it?	[02:45]
paraipan	it is to see their public info	[02:45]
copumpkin	paraipan: he didn't consent to showing them to you so you ran to the police	[02:45]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: why is it?	[02:45]
mcorlett	gfinn: You didn't give me a definitive answer...	[02:45]
paraipan	not their documents	[02:45]
paraipan	i'm spanish	[02:45]
gfinn	daniel: how?	[02:46]
paraipan	so my english talk is a little off sometimes	[02:46]
danieldaniel	i thought they had to	[02:46]
danieldaniel	like, similar to liquor permits	[02:46]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: for what? What did they do to pigeons and what does that have to do with the specific impulse of NTRs?	[02:46]
paraipan	i have the right to know where a company is located in this damn world	[02:46]
danieldaniel	you know how you HAVE to show them in your restaurant?	[02:46]
gfinn	mcorlett: to what question?	[02:46]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: according to US law, sure	[02:46]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: where IS it based? XD	[02:46]
paraipan	dunno	[02:46]
paraipan	lol	[02:47]
paraipan	that was all about	[02:47]
gfinn	daniel: does that make it right?	[02:47]
danieldaniel	as I said	[02:47]
vragnaroda	[19:46] < paraipan> \| i have the right to know where a company is located in this damn world <-- No, you don't.	[02:47]
danieldaniel	im not defending him	[02:47]
danieldaniel	I was just wondering	[02:47]
vragnaroda	You have the right to know where someone is if and only if he's agreed to provide you with that information.	[02:47]
pigeons	how do i know if i have the proper Spanish documents to trade in -otc and if i will be reported for it? That was the reason for my rating	[02:47]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: I'm sorry, if you were in pigeons shoes, would you rate paraipan negatively for reporting Bitcoinica?	[02:47]
danieldaniel	I think its going to hurt the bitcoin community	[02:47]
paraipan	not at all	[02:47]
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vragnaroda	mcorlett: I just did rate paraipan negatively but I think my comment was more appropriate.	[02:48]
paraipan	the police won't do shit	[02:48]
danieldaniel	then why the heck	[02:48]
danieldaniel	did you report them???	[02:48]
vragnaroda	saber-rattling	[02:48]
copumpkin	paraipan: whois xwaylab.com	[02:48]
copumpkin	there you go	[02:48]
copumpkin	that was really hard :)	[02:48]
paraipan	i was only hoping zhoutong tell me in what country his company is located	[02:48]
pigeons	my rating comment was phrased in anger	[02:48]
jscinoz	;;rate paraipan -2 Interferes in the affairs of others without consent	[02:48]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user paraipan has been recorded.	[02:48]
rawrmage	copumpkin: lol	[02:48]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: lol	[02:48]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: That's not regarding the police report. Specifically, would you rate paraipan negatively for reporting Bitcoinica?	[02:48]
paraipan	if you stop reading some posts on the forum bitcoinica isn't a xwaylab property at all	[02:49]
pigeons	mcorlett: he did	[02:49]
danieldaniel	Wilmington, Delaware 19808	[02:49]
danieldaniel	United States	[02:49]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: Yes, and I did.	[02:49]
paraipan	zhoutong mouth	[02:49]
jscinoz	paraipan is becoming a real pariah :P The irony of the similarity of that word to your name doesn't escape me :P	[02:49]
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vragnaroda	[19:44] <@#64; vragnaroda> \| ;;rate paraipan -2 Meddles in other people's affairs by force	[02:49]
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vragnaroda	mcorlett: ^	[02:49]
paraipan	bitcoinica doesn't belong to xwaylabs	[02:49]
copumpkin	paraipan: you gonna go checking up on whether I declared my bicoin earnings on my tax returns?	[02:49]
paraipan	leme search zt post	[02:50]
Vual	lol	[02:50]
paraipan	i don't give a f on your bitcoin earning copumpkin	[02:50]
danieldaniel	paraipan: facepalm	[02:50]
vragnaroda	Wait a fucking second, here!!	[02:50]
paraipan	only on this service	[02:50]
danieldaniel	Then why do you give an f on bitcoinica???????	[02:50]
danieldaniel	about*	[02:50]
vragnaroda	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63235.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.20 are the same person!!	[02:50]
paraipan	i didn't catch the mybitcoin fiasco	[02:50]
vragnaroda	WHATTHEFUCK?!?!	[02:51]
paraipan	but i sure don't want to catch bitcoinica's	[02:51]
jscinoz	it's very simple, as psy said on the forums "tl;dr: He's a jealous snitch."	[02:51]
vragnaroda	paraipan: Then don't use them.	[02:51]
paraipan	think what you want about me but don't express your thought with the otc	[02:51]
gfinn	paraipan: so don't use bitcoinica	[02:51]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: LOL	[02:51]
paraipan	i don't	[02:51]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: So you wouldn't file a report against Bitcoinica if you found they were unregulated?	[02:52]
paraipan	i stated in that shity paper that i didn't lose nothing with them	[02:52]
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vragnaroda	mcorlett: No.	[02:52]
paraipan	only they pay interest for receiving funds	[02:52]
paraipan	from anonymous individuals	[02:52]
paraipan	just like a ponzi	[02:52]
rawrmage	lol	[02:52]
gfinn	paying interest is a legitimate commercial activity	[02:52]
copumpkin	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64275.msg754679#msg754679	[02:52]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, "Some arbitrary limits apply in compliance with AML regulations"	[02:52]
rawrmage	not at all like a ponzi	[02:52]
paraipan	yeah gfinn	[02:53]
copumpkin	paraipan: many things are just like ponzis that are not ponzis	[02:53]
paraipan	if you have the paperwork	[02:53]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, basically he's annoyed that he's complying and others are not	[02:53]
Cusipzzz	wait, all the p2p trading is here is like a ponzi.. gonna ban everyone :)	[02:53]
vragnaroda	That's not a characteristic of Ponzis per se.	[02:53]
Cusipzzz	and unregulated	[02:53]
copumpkin	holy shit Cusipzzz	[02:53]
gfinn	paraipan: paperwork is irrelevant to the question of legitimacy	[02:53]
copumpkin	quick quick, I must be kicked	[02:53]
paraipan	i defend bitcoin with anyone calling it a ponzi	[02:53]
copumpkin	;;roulette	[02:53]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: Right and I don't do business with self-righteous rent seekers.	[02:53]
Cusipzzz	lol	[02:53]
paraipan	seriously	[02:54]
vragnaroda	Hence my rating.	[02:54]
Vual	who regulates? i mean not everyone is form amarica hey... most people want nothing to do with USA who who are these regulaters you speak about?	[02:54]
phantomcircuit	actually bitcoinica paying interest on deposits will make their entire service far more useful, it is also completely illegal unless you're a bank	[02:54]
paraipan	yeah	[02:54]
copumpkin	phantomcircuit: where?	[02:54]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, effectively everywhere, singapore and china to name the two people are most interested in	[02:54]
copumpkin	saying something is illegal is meaningless without a context	[02:54]
Vual	who says its illegal?	[02:54]
paraipan	i will not rate you vragnaroda because you don't know what is all about	[02:54]
Vual	USA?	[02:54]
paraipan	maybe some day you will rerate that	[02:54]
vragnaroda	Vual: In this case, paraipan and the Spanish state.	[02:55]
rawrmage	paraipan: you are a silly filly	[02:55]
paraipan	when you will understand	[02:55]
paraipan	i know	[02:55]
copumpkin	;;rate mcorlett -1 might as well	[02:55]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user mcorlett has been recorded.	[02:55]
rawrmage	;;gettrust mcorlett	[02:55]
gribble	Trust relationship from user rawrmage to user mcorlett: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=rawrmage&dest=mcorlett	[02:55]
mcorlett	copumpkin: Ha! You should try harder with the notes.	[02:55]
Vual	thats not cool to fuck with the otc system....ey 0_o	[02:55]
paraipan	but it was my reputation with trying to do something against any kind of mybitcoin service	[02:55]
rawrmage	;;getrating mcorlett	[02:55]
gribble	User mcorlett, created on Mon Dec 26 09:38:12 2011. Cumulative rating 3, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 4 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mcorlett Currently authenticated from hostmask redditcoin!~rddtcn@#64;unaffiliated/mcorlett/bot/redditcoin	[02:55]
paraipan	or similar to mybitcoin shit	[02:56]
copumpkin	;;unrate mcorlett	[02:56]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for mcorlett.	[02:56]
copumpkin	;;unrate paraipan	[02:56]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.	[02:56]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, especially since banking in china proper is an almost universally government affair	[02:56]
copumpkin	I think both of your behavior is kind of barf-worthy, but I'm not going to rate you guys negatively over it	[02:56]
copumpkin	but seriously, wtf	[02:56]
Vual	^	[02:57]
copumpkin	phantomcircuit: why would china have anything to do with it?	[02:57]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: Why would Spain?	[02:57]
mcorlett	rawrmage: You say I should 'think about what OTC is', how do you mean?	[02:57]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: I enver said it would	[02:57]
yavuz	;;ident easyat	[02:57]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, people having been saying he would be operating out of china to avoid regulations	[02:57]
rawrmage	we're doing unregulated things omg	[02:57]
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copumpkin	phantomcircuit: people are stupid	[02:57]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, singapore definitely classifies demand depository instructions which pay interest as banks	[02:57]
Cusipzzz	people are people..so why should it be	[02:58]
copumpkin	phantomcircuit: I think it's pretty obvious that he wouldn't register it in singapore, either	[02:58]
Vual	regulation... funny word it is	[02:58]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, he's quickly running out of options then :)	[02:58]
Vual	it basicly means nothing	[02:58]
paraipan	searching for that zt statement where he says the xwaylab is not owner of bitcoinica...	[02:58]
phantomcircuit	he could probably legally register in one of the tax havens	[02:58]
phantomcircuit	but it would need to be one of the far more scummy ones	[02:58]
Vual	nervada coprorations + server in panama.... whats th eproblem 0_o	[02:59]
paraipan	found https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.msg753978#msg753978	[02:59]
copumpkin	"(We will announce our new corporate structure with proof of financial services license available from a government site.)"	[02:59]
paraipan	his hosting is in Texas US	[02:59]
paraipan	i dunno nothing more	[02:59]
copumpkin	paraipan: he said he would be announcing that yesterday	[02:59]
Vual	i thought the entire reasion we love bitcoin is becuase it is unregulated??? 0_o im lost	[03:00]
phantomcircuit	paraipan, typically where you have server space is not important	[03:00]
paraipan	it is	[03:00]
paraipan	but the exit point to fiat have to be	[03:00]
vragnaroda	Everyone has his own reasons for liking bitcoin.	[03:00]
phantomcircuit	Vual, he's offering loans on us dollars	[03:00]
paraipan	lol	[03:00]
Cusipzzz	not sure what is going on here, but if bitcoinica is hosted in texas, he's a moron	[03:00]
paraipan	if not you bring some real heat on it	[03:00]
phantomcircuit	Cusipzzz, it is and he is	[03:00]
Cusipzzz	wow, just wow	[03:00]
phantomcircuit	the vps i use for irc is at the same facility	[03:01]
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phantomcircuit	64 bytes from 50.56.4.62: icmp_req=1 ttl=61 time=0.244 ms	[03:01]
copumpkin	it always makes me uncomfortable when phantomcircuit talks shit about other exchanges	[03:01]
paraipan	dunno if unregulated CFD's are lagal in US	[03:01]
paraipan	legal*	[03:02]
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Cusipzzz	CFDs are clearly illegal in the US	[03:02]
copumpkin	and it happens quite a bit	[03:02]
mcorlett	phantomcircuit: Internal denial-of-service attack!	[03:02]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, i actually would really like it if someone would build a futures market for bitcoins that is properly registered	[03:02]
vragnaroda	lol	[03:02]
rg	if you watch seven backwards	[03:02]
rg	its a really happy story	[03:02]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, but lets put it this way, i've known for a long time that tradehill would eventually be shutdown	[03:02]
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phantomcircuit	and surprise	[03:02]
phantomcircuit	it happened	[03:02]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: It makes me a bit uneasy when phantomcircuit talks shit about other exchanges, too, but he's usually right. ;)	[03:03]
phantomcircuit	rg, lol	[03:03]
paraipan	i am calm now and they did say to make a public announcement with their info	[03:03]
Vual	may someone please point me in the direction of a 'fiver Gig service" that works with BTC.....	[03:03]
rg	phantom what happens when your exchange gets shutdown	[03:03]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: I don't care, it's just awkward	[03:03]
paraipan	that police paper is shit that will no go very far	[03:03]
mcorlett	You'd make a great icebreaker, rg.	[03:03]
pigeons	did btc-e ask for your security audit? ;)	[03:03]
pigeons	you filed a shit police paper?	[03:03]
paraipan	so now i'm getting neg in otc to top it up	[03:03]
rg	shrug, theres things i want to know	[03:03]
rg	and if i want to know something i ask	[03:03]
paraipan	from ppl that don't know what is all about	[03:03]
copumpkin	poor paraipan, martyr of justice	[03:04]
phantomcircuit	rg, nothing because we're complying with the regulations (and actually have contacted the appropriate authorities asking if we were)	[03:04]
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rg	phantom :what if you got info from an intern	[03:04]
paraipan	lol copumpkin	[03:04]
rg	who just wanted to get off the phone	[03:04]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: He should probably make his conflict of interest more obvious when he does, but to be honest all the exchanges are shit.	[03:04]
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phantomcircuit	rg, it's proper mail	[03:04]
gfinn	phantomcircuit: that doesn't mean it won't get shutdown	[03:04]
oddlifter	fastest way to turn paypal money into coin??	[03:04]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: oh, I agree	[03:04]
mcorlett	oddlifter: Reputation.	[03:05]
Cusipzzz	forget about exchange vs exchange, how clueless is zhou of world events to host in texas?? /boggle	[03:05]
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EasyAt	oddlifter: me	[03:05]
phantomcircuit	rg, lol would have no effect	[03:05]
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Vual	"I will dance to 2 minutes of any song of your choice in a hot dog costume for 1 BTC" <----!!!!	[03:05]
EasyAt	well.. depending how much	[03:05]
paraipan	please remove the rating guys and wait for this thing to settle	[03:05]
danieldaniel	mcorlett: lol	[03:05]
rg	but i love christian bale	[03:05]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: No offense. I mean, the worst thing about yours is the volume (or rather, the lack thereof).	[03:05]
rawrmage	Vual: with video?	[03:05]
paraipan	see for yourself who is the good guy	[03:05]
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copumpkin	paraipan: a legal resolution isn't going to tell me who the good guy is	[03:05]
copumpkin	it's going to tell me what spanish law thinks	[03:06]
pigeons	;;rate paraipan -1 reported bitcoinica to police	[03:06]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user paraipan has been recorded.	[03:06]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, ERROR: circular dependency	[03:06]
phantomcircuit	:)	[03:06]
paraipan	meh	[03:06]
danieldaniel	;;getrating paraipan	[03:06]
gribble	User paraipan, created on Sun Jan 29 08:41:29 2012. Cumulative rating 1, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paraipan Currently not authenticated.	[03:06]
rg	fuck bitcoinica	[03:06]
rawrmage	lol	[03:06]
danieldaniel	o.0	[03:06]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: hehe	[03:06]
MBS	someone needs to start a somalian bitcoin exchange	[03:06]
MBS	bitpirate.org	[03:06]
Vual	lol	[03:06]
Vual	hahahaha	[03:06]
copumpkin	buttpirate.org	[03:06]
oddlifter	;;getrating EasyAt	[03:06]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[03:06]
gribble	pong	[03:06]
rg	;rate parapan 10 fuck bitcoinica	[03:06]
Vual	why not "trade.nu"	[03:07]
mcorlett	pigeons: Would you file a report against an unregulated financial services provider such as Bitcoinica?	[03:07]
copumpkin	rg: can you elaborate on that sentiment?	[03:07]
njstein	wait what happened with bitcoinica?	[03:07]
pigeons	mcorlett: i would never report anyone to the police ever	[03:07]
rg	copumpkin: im ... batman	[03:07]
mcorlett	That's a -2.	[03:07]
vragnaroda	njstein: Nothing yet.	[03:07]
copumpkin	pigeons subscribes to the italian principle of omertà	[03:07]
Vual	Jelosy....	[03:07]
smickles	what's this about bitcoinica?	[03:07]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, i cant actually think of at least one place where i could probably register as a proper bank	[03:07]
vragnaroda	Just a complaint was filed against them by someone that doesn't like the different jurisdictions.	[03:07]
phantomcircuit	i'd just need a couple hundred grand	[03:07]
paraipan	mcorlett ... if you'd know that if it comes down it could harm bitcoin ?	[03:08]
njstein	why would he report it?	[03:08]
paraipan	i shoot straight at them	[03:08]
vragnaroda	njstein: Because he's a jealous competitor.	[03:08]
paraipan	and passed over bitcoin alltogheter	[03:08]
copumpkin	paraipan: so we call in the law to protect bitcoin?	[03:08]
paraipan	not at all	[03:08]
njstein	what are you even reporting?	[03:08]
mcorlett	paraipan: It strengthens our community by preventing this from happening in a year when they have ten times the volume.	[03:08]
paraipan	competitor ?	[03:08]
paraipan	i send money nothing more	[03:08]
vragnaroda	Not a direct competitor but yes, a competitor.	[03:09]
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paraipan	you have to have tow identical services to call it a competitor	[03:09]
paraipan	you are a competitor too for trading btc in here not using bitcoinica then	[03:09]
vragnaroda	No, you don't.	[03:09]
copumpkin	vragnaroda never trades	[03:09]
copumpkin	he's too manly for that	[03:09]
vragnaroda	Apple and BMX are both competitors.	[03:09]
paraipan	i trade btc	[03:09]
copumpkin	he's like ron swanson	[03:09]
vragnaroda	They are both out for your dollars.	[03:09]
paraipan	every one thoes	[03:10]
vragnaroda	(Or euros or whatever.)	[03:10]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: By that definition, Bitcoinica actually USES a competitor on their back-end.	[03:10]
Cusipzzz	better than ron jeremy i guess	[03:10]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: Yes.	[03:10]
BTCTrader	i am THE btc trader	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	anyone here play regnum ?	[03:10]
vragnaroda	So do many.	[03:10]
paraipan	they use mtgox usd codes to funnel money	[03:10]
copumpkin	http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/ron-swanson-pic.jpg <- vragnaroda	[03:10]
vragnaroda	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.msg753355#msg753355 <-- “Bitcoinica doesn't owe you documentation, and if I were zhoutong, I would -in no polite manner- tell you to fuck yourself with a rusty metal pipe. You are just some dick, rattling your cage for god only knows why.”	[03:10]
phantomcircuit	lets be very clear	[03:10]
phantomcircuit	bitcoinica has no competition	[03:10]
paraipan	+1	[03:10]
vragnaroda	That guy (Randy Folds)'s classy.	[03:10]
rg	;;rate paraipan -2 Meddles in other people's affairs by force	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	lol i likethat sentiment	[03:11]
rg	so when i butt in and help people try to recover funds	[03:11]
GlooBoy	and you used paypal to funnel your btc's... whats the difference	[03:11]
phantomcircuit	literally there is nobody competing with bitcoinica	[03:11]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: No direct competition.	[03:11]
rg	you'd -rate me too?	[03:11]
paraipan	so what's bad in calling the law to help ?	[03:11]
njstein	help with what	[03:11]
vragnaroda	rg: OK, that's a fair point.	[03:11]
paraipan	after i tried talking with zt	[03:11]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, they occupy a substantially different market space from everybody else	[03:11]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, they really do	[03:11]
vragnaroda	;;rate paraipan -2 Meddles in other people's affairs by force with no evidence or suspicion of wrongdoing	[03:11]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user paraipan has changed from -2 to -2.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	paraipan are you the muppet with the spanish complaint ?	[03:11]
copumpkin	oh it's mircea_popescu	[03:11]
Cusipzzz	lol @#64; muppet	[03:11]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: He is.	[03:12]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu is also running a shady internet business!	[03:12]
rg	so am i	[03:12]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: papers please	[03:12]
paraipan	pls use apropiate words	[03:12]
paraipan	mircea_popescu	[03:12]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: Yes, that's true.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	lmao, you know what, i can go to my friendly neighbourhood policeman and complain that paraipan on the inerwebs upset me	[03:12]
rg	just kidding	[03:12]
paraipan	i didn't call you things	[03:12]
rg	were a legit company	[03:12]
vragnaroda	muppet's appropriate.	[03:12]
rg	'	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	and they will have to take the thing down and stamp it and all that jazz.	[03:12]
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vragnaroda	It's probably the politest thing I can think of right now.	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	so i guess i could take a pic and put it online and be all paraipany myself.	[03:12]
rg	you guys are all meddling in paripans business now	[03:13]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: granted, the great government built you that huge building	[03:13]
rg	it has nothing to d owith you	[03:13]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, too be clear i could extend intersango in a relatively easy way to enable margin trading, but i have not because it is clearly a regulated activity in the UK	[03:13]
copumpkin	rg: he posted it publicly	[03:13]
rg	so what	[03:13]
copumpkin	rg: it affects us	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	omg rg stop meddling in freenode!	[03:13]
paraipan	not at all	[03:13]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: Is that your only reason for not doing that?	[03:13]
copumpkin	we aren't using force against him	[03:13]
rg	thats your fault for using na unlicensed unregulated service	[03:13]
rg	not his	[03:13]
BTCTrader	phantomcircuit just do it in singapore	[03:13]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, yes	[03:13]
copumpkin	rg: the only confidence you get in something is through regulation?	[03:13]
phantomcircuit	BTCTrader, it's regulated in singapore also...	[03:13]
paraipan	no mention on bitcoin AT ALL !	[03:13]
rg	umm if you want to be legal	[03:13]
rg	yes	[03:14]
copumpkin	uh	[03:14]
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copumpkin	meh, this is pointless	[03:14]
paraipan	only bitcoinica.com	[03:14]
paraipan	they use usd	[03:14]
rg	so you can go commit crimes with someone	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	i don't get how anything could be a regulated activity, given that no government takes btc as a currency.	[03:14]
rg	cause 'theyre a good guy'	[03:14]
rg	?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	but anyway.	[03:14]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, margin trading involves loaning people government currency	[03:14]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, in the loan the bitcoins are simply collateral	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	i thought you meant btc margin trading	[03:14]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: If the government doesn't accept it, you don't have to regulate it, is that your reasoning?	[03:14]
paraipan	thanks guys, you really help finding what bitcoinica is about here	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	ifthe govt doesn't accept it as a currency it can't regulate it as a currency.	[03:15]
paraipan	i don't even know where they are located	[03:15]
copumpkin	omg the government might not approve so IT MUST BE IMMORAL	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	if it does accept it as a currency paypal is legally required to accept it etc.	[03:15]
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splatster	copumpkin: lol	[03:15]
paraipan	again, bitcoin not involved !	[03:15]
paraipan	they will try involving it	[03:15]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, yes, lets say that i offer bitcoin margin trading and someone wants to go long 2:1, that means they're borrowing us dollars from me to purchase additional bitcoins and then using the bitcoins they have not purchased (and possibly their account balance) as collateral against this loan	[03:15]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: That does not follow.	[03:15]
paraipan	in the future	[03:15]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, but you are still loaning dollars	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit way i see it they're borrowing btc.	[03:16]
paraipan	i was thinking at that, so if they fall one day	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	if i loan you a diablo2 sword	[03:16]
vragnaroda	paraipan: LOL, hurt bitcoinica because it doesn't involve bitcoin because when it falls it'll hurt bitcoin	[03:16]
vragnaroda	wat	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	you could claim it has a usd value	[03:16]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, if you go short you're borrowing btc, if you go long you're borrowing us dollars	[03:16]
paraipan	all the broken plates for bitcoin	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	but that's just a baseless claim.	[03:16]
pigeons	if you were warning consumers of the dangers of bitcoinica people would support you	[03:16]
paraipan	when they are using usd	[03:16]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, i think you're confused	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	une of us might be, yes phantom.	[03:16]
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mcorlett	Make it three!	[03:16]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, im quite certain that it is you :)	[03:16]
paraipan	i'm sure not confused	[03:16]
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paraipan	i know what i want	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	we could start a party :)	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	and yes, that'd be a symptom phantom.	[03:17]
gfinn	phantomcircuit: borrowing? no	[03:17]
paraipan	to know where bitcoinica is located	[03:17]
paraipan	on this globe	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	which globe ?	[03:17]
phantomcircuit	gfinn, yes	[03:17]
copumpkin	paraipan: and he just said he's going to announce it...	[03:17]
paraipan	lol	[03:17]
copumpkin	just not immediately	[03:17]
Cusipzzz	apparently it's in texas ffs	[03:17]
paraipan	i want to know it now	[03:17]
copumpkin	Cusipzzz: not the company	[03:17]
gfinn	paraipan: so ask.	[03:17]
paraipan	pls	[03:17]
copumpkin	paraipan: THROW A TANTRUM THEN	[03:17]
paraipan	they trade thousands of dollars in there	[03:17]
gfinn	phantomcircuit: buying is not borrowing.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	omg how dare they	[03:17]
*	copumpkin hands paraipan a rug to lie on the ground with	[03:17]
Cusipzzz	copumpkin: well yeah	[03:18]
paraipan	and they have a link with bitcoin	[03:18]
splatster	paraipan: It seems as though a lot of people don't like you now, why did you do this?	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	i think im going to go with vragnaroda on this	[03:18]
phantomcircuit	gfinn, with margin trading you're borrowing funds	[03:18]
copumpkin	splatster: "for the good of bitcoins!!"!!	[03:18]
phantomcircuit	gfinn, it's a loan	[03:18]
paraipan	because i don't want mybitcoin 2.0 happen	[03:18]
pigeons	splatster: to protect people from themselves	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	;;rate paraipan -2 the spanish complaint against bitcoinica muppet.	[03:18]
paraipan	i don't give a shit about my reputation	[03:18]
gfinn	i didn't see that stated	[03:18]
OneFixt	paraipan: what if everyone lost their bitcoins when the government shut down bitcoinica?	[03:18]
gfinn	but ok	[03:18]
paraipan	only to see bitcoin grow	[03:19]
splatster	;;getrating paraipan	[03:19]
gribble	User paraipan, created on Sun Jan 29 08:41:29 2012. Cumulative rating 1, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paraipan Currently not authenticated.	[03:19]
a5m0	selling dual 2.8ghz xeon server, 8gb ram, sata hard drive, tower case, 600w psu, radeon 5830 for mining, taking offers	[03:19]
mcorlett	phantomcircuit: On a somewhat unrelated note, what does Nefario actually do at Intersango? Is he employed by the Bitcoin Consultancy?	[03:19]
splatster	ouch	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit : what exactly do you base your "borrowing" theory on ?	[03:19]
copumpkin	Nefario is such a trust-inspiring name	[03:19]
copumpkin	I'm glad to have him behind glbse	[03:19]
vragnaroda	lol	[03:19]
splatster	a5m0: rg might be interested, I'm not sure tho	[03:19]
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smickles	wow, what would motivate that complaint, and wtf	[03:20]
smickles	srsly	[03:20]
paraipan	please guys, i'm asking you once again to reconsider raing me before all is settled	[03:20]
a5m0	rg, are you interested in a dual xeon server?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	i mean, the "going price" for pixels is one dollar each. I make a site where you can get pixels for fifty cents each. Therefore I am loaning you dollars ?	[03:20]
copumpkin	paraipan: what do you consider "settled"?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	no, i think it's well settled.	[03:21]
paraipan	they publish company info	[03:21]
njstein	i still have no idea what bitcoinica really does and why he's contacting the authorities about them	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	mostly because the authorities are required to listen to idiots	[03:21]
vragnaroda	njstein: That's funny; nor does he. That's his problem.	[03:21]
paraipan	mircea_popescu i was born in romania and know how the system works	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	similar to getting a notarized paper saying that i picked my nose.	[03:21]
copumpkin	njstein: he's contacting the authorities because zhou apparently ignored his requests to find out where the business is based, even though he stated publicly that he wouldn't disclose it immediately	[03:21]
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mircea_popescu	o you were born in romania and know what "the system" works ? im in awe.	[03:21]
smickles	paraipan: you're the one who made the complaint?	[03:22]
paraipan	and you are rude without reason	[03:22]
copumpkin	Z: I will announce where the business is located soon, but not immediately for strategic reasons	[03:22]
njstein	wait you have to disclose your business location?	[03:22]
copumpkin	P: where is the business located?	[03:22]
copumpkin	P: where is the business located?	[03:22]
copumpkin	Z: ...	[03:22]
njstein	why for?	[03:22]
copumpkin	P: POLICE POLICE	[03:22]
OneFixt	paraipan: know that there is a system here, too = if you make your complaint public, expect a public response	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	how is an internet business "located" anyway.	[03:22]
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phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, lets say you have $10, you want to go long bitcoins for $20, this means you are borrowing from the broker (bitcoinia) $10 and they are using the resulting bitcoins as collateral against the original loan	[03:23]
splatster	copumpkin: LOL!	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	i can move from texas to china tomorrow, and then back to brazil the bnext day. so ?	[03:23]
njstein	i still don't get why any of this matters	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit : no, it just means you're getting 2x as much imaginary, virtual "merchandise" for hard currency	[03:23]
paraipan	you have to have a residence country	[03:23]
copumpkin	njstein: it's a dick move	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	twice zero is still zero.	[03:23]
OneFixt	paraipan: there ARE valid complaints about bitcoinica, but they can probably be best settled in a different manner	[03:23]
paraipan	even if you work internationally	[03:23]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, no absolutely not	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	well, so then there's the confusion.	[03:23]
vragnaroda	[20:23] < paraipan> \| you have to have a residence country <-- No, you don't.	[03:23]
njstein	paraipan: why do you care, at all?	[03:23]
smickles	isn't bitcoinica about to begin coplying with banking laws?	[03:23]
paraipan	lol	[03:23]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, regardless of what you get it is still a loan for $10	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	basically paraipan managed to make himself a representative of all that bitcoins are here to destroy.	[03:24]
gfinn	mircea_popescu: i think his premise is that you're margin trading	[03:24]
copumpkin	smickles: they've announced that they will, but not quickly enough for paraipan	[03:24]
phantomcircuit	smickles, so he claims	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	its kind of funny.	[03:24]
paraipan	njstein dunno man, because i'm stupid enough to care about these people in the community	[03:24]
copumpkin	smickles: why wait and see when you can file a police report	[03:24]
paraipan	:(	[03:24]
copumpkin	aha, the martyr	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	gfinn : "you're margin trading" may mean you're playing at it online.	[03:24]
phantomcircuit	gfinn, he's trying to say that because you end up with something which is not currency the original loan for $10 never occurred	[03:24]
rg	In fact this little wake up call (and I certainly hope Zhou takes it seriously) may prove to be beneficial to BTC and Bitcoinica after all. If BTC related businesses havent thought too much about legal implications of their doing, then now they will start. Preparing and building resilience against legal difficulties can never be wrong.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck are you in the "community" you douche	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	omay fucking god. HE cares.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	grrrr	[03:24]
vragnaroda	[20:24] < rg> \| In fact this little wake up call (and I certainly hope Zhou takes it seriously) may prove to be beneficial to BTC and Bitcoinica after all. If BTC related businesses havent thought too much about legal implications of their doing, then now they will start. Preparing and building resilience against legal difficulties can never be wrong.	[03:25]
OneFixt	if his request is taken seriously, the users of bitcoinica may not see their funds	[03:25]
phantomcircuit	gfinn, too even try and make that argument in court you'd need a lawyer with balls of steel	[03:25]
OneFixt	that's one great way to care	[03:25]
vragnaroda	rg: Who are you and what the fuck have you done to rg?!?!	[03:25]
paraipan	mircea_popescu please watch your language	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	please blow me.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	jesus god.	[03:25]
gfinn	rg: there are many ways to do it. some of them are wrong	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	go write a fuycken complaint.	[03:25]
rg	he did..	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	and whne you're done come pick up your mother, shes a lousy lay.	[03:26]
rg	its not like he sued them	[03:26]
copumpkin	ಠ_ಠ is my reaction to all of this. I think I'm done :)	[03:26]
rg	he asked for an investigation	[03:26]
splatster	" basically paraipan managed to make himself a representative of all that bitcoins are here to destroy." <== +1	[03:26]
copumpkin	rg: would you like bitvps to be investigated?	[03:26]
rg	you can investigate us	[03:26]
rg	cause we've done nothing wrong	[03:26]
copumpkin	I asked whether you'd like it	[03:26]
copumpkin	would it be convenient for you?	[03:26]
rg	it wouldnt matter cause we follow the rules	[03:26]
njstein	this whole situation is more retarded than arresting drug addicts thinking it's going to fix the drug problem	[03:26]
a5m0	;;rate BTCHero 1 Acted as escrow service on a successful trade.	[03:26]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BTCHero has been recorded.	[03:26]
splatster	mircea_popescu: So true	[03:26]
copumpkin	rg: I'm asking whether you'd like it	[03:27]
smickles	redditcoin: us? you're part of 'coinica?	[03:27]
redditcoin	smickles: My Master has not taught me how to communicate with humans. I can't even guess what language you're speaking!	[03:27]
rg	if zhou is doing everything properlyu	[03:27]
rg	then its not an issue	[03:27]
copumpkin	rg: I don't care if the feds audit my taxes	[03:27]
rg	is it?	[03:27]
copumpkin	yes it is	[03:27]
copumpkin	it's a huge fucking pain	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	this whole situation is more retarded than arresting drug addicts thinking it's going to fix the drug problem < its really akin to writing a complaint against the fire, on paper, with colored gasoline.	[03:27]
smickles	err i meant rg	[03:27]
copumpkin	getting audited	[03:27]
rg	well get mad at zhou	[03:27]
rg	not para	[03:27]
copumpkin	rg: wat	[03:27]
gfinn	rg: "properly"?	[03:27]
rg	cause zhou is the one operating the mystery company	[03:27]
gfinn	by whose definition of "properly"?	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	rg is at best naive, i guess the original rg is back lol	[03:27]
rg	the law	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	you ever been audited mr ?	[03:27]
copumpkin	rg: okay, so you wouldn't mind if you got audited or if your company got investigated and shut down while getting investigated, right?	[03:27]
rg	thousands of companies get audited every day	[03:28]
copumpkin	yes, and none of them like it	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[03:28]
vragnaroda	Yes and IT FUCKING SUCKS DONKEY BALLS.	[03:28]
copumpkin	it's a huge inconvenience	[03:28]
gfinn	yeah it's not exactly convenient	[03:28]
copumpkin	zhou said he would provide details soon	[03:28]
rg	last time i checked the laws werent in place to make companies happy	[03:28]
copumpkin	that wasn't soon enough for paraipan	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	im still trying to push a bill through requiring for govt to pay for time investigating.	[03:28]
rg	and if he provides proof, word	[03:28]
copumpkin	rg: I'm saying it's a dick move, not that it's illegal for him to ask that	[03:28]
rg	he shoulda done it in the first place	[03:28]
gfinn	rg: many of them are.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	i got about the chances of paraipan with his crap, but at least this'd be useful.	[03:28]
splatster	My best friend's company got audited. He hated it. I hope I never start a business that has to go through that.	[03:28]
gfinn	rg: many of them are not.	[03:28]
OneFixt	rg: luke, is that you?	[03:28]
rg	you guys are just all in bed with bitcoinica cause you use it to trade	[03:29]
rg	otherwise you wouldnt give a fuck	[03:29]
copumpkin	I don't even use it	[03:29]
copumpkin	I think it's a dick move	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	i don't trade there.	[03:29]
OneFixt	bitcoinica has problems and needs to change things	[03:29]
rg	so what	[03:29]
OneFixt	this is just not thw ay to do it	[03:29]
vragnaroda	I don't use bitcoinica. I don't fucking trust them.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[03:29]
copumpkin	rg: so I'm calling him an asshole for doing it	[03:29]
splatster	I know who paraipan is working for!!!!! CryptoExchange!	[03:29]
OneFixt	because this hurts bitcoinica's USERS	[03:29]
rg	its business	[03:29]
gfinn	rg: nonsense	[03:29]
copumpkin	rg: that's it	[03:29]
pho\|	+1 vragnaroda	[03:29]
splatster	oh noooes!	[03:29]
paraipan	not at all splatster	[03:30]
njstein	can we get some gambling going?	[03:30]
rg	;;roulette	[03:30]
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njstein	over if this is going to accomplish anything or not?	[03:30]
rg	it wont	[03:30]
gfinn	rg: it's not business	[03:30]
splatster	paraipan: That's exactly what I would expect you to say!	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	over whether the debate ends in an odd or even number of lines	[03:30]
gfinn	it's interference in business	[03:30]
pho\|	is there i big game on sealswsithclubs or something?	[03:30]
copumpkin	njstein: okay, I bet that I will not return the 10 coins you'll send me in a few minutes. You can take my bet for 10 btc and bet that I do return them	[03:30]
paraipan	seriously splatster , only for myself	[03:30]
Vual	lol	[03:30]
zordilorp	anyone have a google drive invite	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	google drives now ?!	[03:31]
pho\|	haha	[03:31]
dirkdizzler	yes	[03:31]
rg	community or not, everyone is here to make money	[03:31]
smickles	i want one of those cars	[03:31]
dirkdizzler	ggogle drives legally in nevada	[03:31]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: only available to people under FBI observation	[03:31]
pho\|	googles been driving for like years now	[03:31]
pho\|	with funny camera thing on top of car	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	gmaxwell o ic	[03:31]
smickles	anyone want this: ,,view already?	[03:32]
gribble	#6789 Mon Feb 13 07:31:27 2012 smickles SELL 25.0 usd @#64; 4.1725 btc (in the form of a CrackerBarrel gift card, shipping included)	[03:32]
rg	cracker barrel has good chicken fried steak	[03:32]
dirkdizzler	place smells of cinnamon	[03:32]
rg	and biscuits	[03:32]
dirkdizzler	would never go in one	[03:32]
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rg	and a store full of old people 24/7	[03:32]
pho\|	what fascinates me about google street view is ... how many people do they have to hire to blur out the license plates ... and how much do they get paid?	[03:32]
danieldaniel	anyone know any dubstep songs?	[03:33]
dirkdizzler	i second the chicken fried steak	[03:33]
dirkdizzler	nom	[03:33]
rg	pho: i think its done automatically	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	i think they autorecognise them	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	yea	[03:33]
rg	and checked over by a group fo people	[03:33]
rg	for compliance	[03:33]
vragnaroda	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64176.msg753689#msg753689 <-- lol	[03:33]
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Vual	google drive is a cloud storage not those robot cars in nevada lol	[03:33]
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pho\|	rg: yeah i hope it is, i just dont see how automatically could be infalliably accurate at identifying license plates	[03:33]
paraipan	vragnaroda that isn't true	[03:34]
paraipan	bitcoin is a digital good	[03:34]
dirkdizzler	danieldaniel: adventure club	[03:34]
rg	its google	[03:34]
paraipan	and sending money to another individual is legal	[03:34]
rg	they probably had 50 coders in a basement	[03:34]
paraipan	if you comply with AML	[03:34]
rg	working on it	[03:34]
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vragnaroda	paraipan: What isn't true? Are you telling me I didn't lol at that?	[03:34]
copumpkin	paraipan: depends how :) in italy there are restrictions, for example	[03:34]
pho\|	or 500 slaves in a country that isnt mapped on google maps	[03:34]
splatster	rg: I think more like 70	[03:34]
splatster	pho\|: or that	[03:35]
danieldaniel	fuck td bank	[03:35]
paraipan	i know copumpkin	[03:35]
vragnaroda	If you tell me that's not true, you're not just a rat, you're a blatant liar.	[03:35]
paraipan	vragnaroda that my send money is illegal	[03:35]
copumpkin	Great National Bank of Canuckistan	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	it was kinda funny lol	[03:35]
copumpkin	(TD Bank)	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	this may be a new meme	[03:35]
rg	if i had 70 coders in a basemnt	[03:35]
rg	id have them sexually harass daniel	[03:35]
rg	24/7	[03:35]
dirkdizzler	http://www.theburningear.com/media/2012/02/Youth-Adventure-Club-Dubstep-Remix.mp3	[03:35]
vragnaroda	I didn't say it was and I don't give a fuck if it is.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	to paraipan something, a new way to call spurious litigation	[03:35]
rg	this irc server is lagging like a motherfucker	[03:35]
*	vragnaroda has kicked rg from #bitcoin-otc (NO.)	[03:35]
smickles	paraipan: did you seriously say that bitcoinica promises high returns on investmet?	[03:35]
danieldaniel	thanks vraf	[03:35]
rawrmage	lol	[03:35]
danieldaniel	vrag*	[03:35]
rawrmage	what	[03:36]
paraipan	yes	[03:36]
copumpkin	*wat	[03:36]
MILF	danieldaniel...yeah, there's that awesome dubstep song that goes WUB WUB WUB	[03:36]
smickles	paraipan: where do they claim that?	[03:36]
paraipan	https://www.bitcoinica.com/pages/interest	[03:36]
splatster	OH NO! vragnaroda is still OPed!	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	actually by looking at things a little closer i guess once the bitcoinica ppl decide to come out they can sue for slander.	[03:36]
splatster	DUCK AND COVER!	[03:36]
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splatster	AHHHH!	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	since the guy has his details all available he'll be liable.	[03:36]
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smickles	paraipan: 5% is high?	[03:37]
paraipan	i'm ready to take any legal action against me from a legal entity	[03:37]
copumpkin	I don't see why you'd get legal action against you	[03:37]
pho\|	duck and cover -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8QfrtCLyc	[03:37]
paraipan	since the guy has his details all available he'll be liable	[03:37]
danieldaniel	pho\|: I remember that from something	[03:37]
danieldaniel	seriously	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	yea, that means you paraipan.	[03:37]
pho\|	danieldaniel: its awsome	[03:38]
danieldaniel	i know	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	and actually if i were zhou whatever the fuck the bitcoinica guy you'd be getting papers right about nou.	[03:38]
Vual	skism - The blank(while we are on the subject of dubstep)	[03:38]
danieldaniel	Vual: thx	[03:38]
danieldaniel	wtf is up with the fred ads...	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	i guess you're lucky they're dissinterested or whatever.	[03:38]
dirkdizzler	all over the youtube	[03:38]
smickles	hmm, i wonder if this will affect the market significantly	[03:39]
danieldaniel	all he is	[03:39]
*	copumpkin listens to bitosca	[03:39]
danieldaniel	is this guy with a good vid editor	[03:39]
danieldaniel	srsly	[03:39]
copumpkin	e qual via scegliete?	[03:39]
smickles	equal by what?	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	smickles : market is locked on 4-4.5 mode, i don't think war with iran would move it by now	[03:39]
Vual	song i remixed a while ago (http://soundcloud.com/pozionmynd/2-20-2011-drum-and-bass-dub) if you like dub step check it out, i mixed it :P	[03:39]
paraipan	smickles it actually shoot up the moment ppl got to see the thread on the forum	[03:39]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: now you've jinxed us, asshole	[03:40]
paraipan	the price i mean	[03:40]
copumpkin	o.O	[03:40]
copumpkin	O.o	[03:40]
oddlifter	need coin got pp	[03:40]
copumpkin	o.o	[03:40]
smickles	paraipan: that's seems idiotic to me	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	haha just another public service i offer cop.	[03:40]
paraipan	i really think they are using ppl money to keep the price low	[03:40]
copumpkin	lol	[03:40]
paraipan	they are betting on it with priviledged info	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	this guy is incredibly stupid srsly.	[03:40]
smickles	priviledged info?	[03:40]
paraipan	lol	[03:40]
dirkdizzler	info from god	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	dude how the fuck did you find the interwebz, you don't belong here	[03:41]
paraipan	they have the positions	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	go on facebook and be a social media expert or something	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	twitter awaits ffs.	[03:41]
*	copumpkin hands paraipan a tin-foil hat	[03:41]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: hey, I'm on twitter	[03:41]
smickles	paraipan: you dont' need 'coinica to have positions	[03:41]
paraipan	whatever...	[03:41]
OneFixt	plenty of bucket shops trade against their customers	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin aaaand ? :D	[03:41]
OneFixt	it's ironic that bitcoinica is probably not one of them	[03:41]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu++	[03:41]
dirkdizzler	the chart needs MOAR LINES	[03:42]
*	copumpkin draws several lines joining pairs of points	[03:42]
copumpkin	cause I can find a trend in every pair of points	[03:42]
dirkdizzler	buy buy buy!	[03:42]
*	copumpkin has a special skill	[03:42]
smickles	mircea_popescu: look out, you may be next. i mean, you offer puts, puts can be used to hold the market down	[03:42]
copumpkin	holy shit he's right	[03:42]
copumpkin	smickles: don't forget though	[03:42]
OneFixt	i bet he's buying now that i bought a bunch of calls	[03:42]
copumpkin	I offer loans, which can be used to SHORT SELL	[03:42]
copumpkin	SHORT SELLING is evil	[03:42]
smickles	oh fuck	[03:42]
OneFixt	or selling	[03:42]
OneFixt	he's doing something!	[03:42]
copumpkin	OneFixt: oh, those calls were you?	[03:43]
OneFixt	oh uh	[03:43]
smickles	copumpkin: why would you do such a thing?	[03:43]
OneFixt	i mean	[03:43]
OneFixt	did i just give away magical information?	[03:43]
copumpkin	smickles: beacuse I hate bitcoin, obviously	[03:43]
OneFixt	that the trend is up?	[03:43]
splatster	Does anyone else think we should make #bitcoin-otc-arguments?	[03:43]
smickles	copumpkin: you bastard	[03:43]
MBS	hmm	[03:43]
copumpkin	#bitcoin-polemic	[03:43]
copumpkin	smickles: I do my best	[03:43]
smickles	;D	[03:43]
splatster	Ok I registered #bitcoin-otc-arguments :)	[03:43]
splatster	bwahaha	[03:43]
MBS	so still not decided if i should flip this 64GB M4 ssd for $30 profit, or keep and use for games	[03:43]
dirkdizzler	i'm content here	[03:43]
*	copumpkin goes back to counting his coins	[03:44]
paraipan	lol	[03:44]
MBS	everyone join #bitcoin-sucks	[03:44]
splatster	MBS: How much did you pay for it?	[03:44]
dirkdizzler	do the scrooge mcduck dive into your coins copumpkin	[03:44]
MBS	~58 after price matching	[03:44]
copumpkin	dirkdizzler: oh, I'm relaxing on a bed of coins right now	[03:44]
dirkdizzler	lol	[03:44]
splatster	MBS: Hmmm I might want it.	[03:44]
MBS	though price matching credit hasnt show yet, lol	[03:45]
splatster	Don't sell it too fast	[03:45]
*	smickles goes back to creating an "evil" exchange	[03:45]
MBS	and obv wont be shipped til monday at least	[03:45]
splatster	Ya that makes sense	[03:45]
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copumpkin	smickles: why do you hate bitcoin? I'm gonna report you to the authorities in liechtenstein	[03:45]
Vual	#btc-drama	[03:45]
splatster	Vual: +1	[03:46]
copumpkin	oh, and by the way guys	[03:46]
MBS	or for a small bitcoin tip i could show you how to get your own cheap ssd :p	[03:46]
copumpkin	you know how credit derivatives are evil and how they crashed the world economy?	[03:46]
copumpkin	I'm gonna offer some bitcoin CDSes	[03:46]
dirkdizzler	lies	[03:46]
smickles	ya know, i'll make sure to use Unrea Satoshi Denari	[03:46]
paraipan	i'm waiting now just as you guys that zt publishes something	[03:46]
smickles	copumpkin: not if i beat you too it ;)	[03:46]
copumpkin	paraipan: he should be waking up soon :)	[03:46]
copumpkin	smickles: have you read the Hull book?	[03:47]
dirkdizzler	why not fractional reserve bitcoin checking accounts	[03:47]
splatster	zhou is going to die if he tries to read this srollback	[03:47]
splatster	scrollback*	[03:47]
danieldaniel	lolol	[03:47]
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smickles	copumpkin: i just want a transferrable contract exchange, peeps can make whatever contracts they want	[03:47]
splatster	"Wait, so who is on my side again?"	[03:47]
rg	that exists	[03:47]
splatster	"I'm lost."	[03:48]
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copumpkin	smickles: oh, so you won't be offering them	[03:48]
rg	i want to go paragliding	[03:48]
splatster	"Who was talking about cats again?"	[03:48]
rg	copumpkin have you paraglided	[03:48]
rg	i feel like you would be the type who has	[03:48]
smickles	copumpkin: i'll use my own service to offer whatever I feel like ;)	[03:48]
copumpkin	nope, but my dad flies gliders	[03:48]
dirkdizzler	rg what does paragliding have to do with taking over the world	[03:48]
paraipan	lol	[03:48]
copumpkin	smickles: but then you need to figure out how to price them :)	[03:48]
splatster	rg: I wish I had spelunking money :(	[03:48]
paraipan	para... glided	[03:48]
smickles	copumpkin: bids and asks	[03:48]
paraipan	the way i go every that of my life	[03:48]
paraipan	:)	[03:48]
rg	because	[03:49]
rg	our troops will paraglide in	[03:49]
paraipan	day*	[03:49]
copumpkin	smickles: you need to decide if you consider a price to be good, right?	[03:49]
rg	from the mountains	[03:49]
copumpkin	otherwise you won't enter the transaction	[03:49]
copumpkin	how do you know what the right price for a bitcoin CDS is?	[03:49]
splatster	Someone want to sell me a paraglide thing?	[03:49]
smickles	copumpkin: yea, i'll offer my stuff at a given 'ask', if someone else beats my price, so be it	[03:49]
copumpkin	yeah, and I was asking how you'd compute what you'd offer it at :)	[03:50]
*	spawn- Selling amazon payments + BTC i need LRUSD or PPUSD anyone?	[03:50]
unclemantis	CDS?	[03:50]
copumpkin	say I'm selling options, I need to decide what I want to sell them for	[03:50]
copumpkin	there's a lot of thought that goes into how I compute that number	[03:50]
copumpkin	unclemantis: credit default swap	[03:50]
pingdrive	what the hell is LRUSD?	[03:50]
smickles	copumpkin: oh, well, it depends on what it is exactly. and right now i'm concentratin on making the system	[03:50]
copumpkin	liberty reserve / USD	[03:50]
paraipan	libery reserve	[03:50]
paraipan	usd	[03:51]
copumpkin	smickles: yep :) just saying there's a fair amount of literature on the topic and pricing them efficiently can be difficult (and if you don't price them right, people can take advantage of you)	[03:51]
splatster	I don't use bitcoinica, I could care less if they go into oblivion (though it would hurt the market). However, I do feel for the kid who is 17 and is under all that pressure. It seems I had it easy compared to the shit zhou has to go through.	[03:51]
pingdrive	oh okay dont have any	[03:51]
spawn-	thats what we call LRUSD	[03:51]
unclemantis	copumpkin never heard of it. you got a page i can read about it?	[03:51]
copumpkin	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_default_swap	[03:51]
smickles	copumpkin: you make me feel like any btc i make running the exchange will be lost by selling bad options :(	[03:52]
copumpkin	unclemantis: it was one of the big ways people used to bet against the mortgage-backed securities market leading up to the credit crisis	[03:52]
unclemantis	ewwww	[03:52]
unclemantis	now i need to take a shower	[03:52]
unclemantis	that is disgusting	[03:52]
splatster	lol	[03:52]
copumpkin	smickles: I doubt it'll be that bad :P but if you plan on selling options yourself, you should definitely read up on black-scholes or the BOPM, if not more	[03:52]
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copumpkin	smickles: or suck off mircea_popescu and ask him how he prices his	[03:53]
splatster	I think once Mt. Gox options go live, bitcoinica will become mutch less of a player. Gox already has the volume and the userbase.	[03:53]
smickles	copumpkin: well, i'm sure i have plenty to learn, but like i said, i want the system to do this in. and i'm making it happen :)	[03:53]
unclemantis	mtgox options?	[03:54]
unclemantis	ok now this is intreging me	[03:54]
copumpkin	oh, I definitely think it'll be a huge help! I just don't want you to get screwed if you decide to become a counterparty	[03:54]
unclemantis	is this going to be another way of making money? bitcoin loans?	[03:54]
splatster	unclemantis: MagicalTux said something about options being in testing	[03:54]
copumpkin	smickles: the idea for BOPM is fairly simple, and black-scholes is sort of extending the same idea to a continuous setting and gives you a nice formula for the whole thing	[03:54]
copumpkin	whereas BOPM is sort of a simulation	[03:54]
smickles	copumpkin: i like formulas :D	[03:55]
unclemantis	are you talking about loans with a cosigner?	[03:55]
copumpkin	unclemantis: we've been doing bitcoin loans for a while :)	[03:55]
copumpkin	unclemantis: I'm talking about loan insurance and/or speculation	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	smickles : im looking forward to.	[03:55]
copumpkin	smickles: mircea_popescu could become a seller of options on your site!	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	i have more lawyers than he's had girlfriends and not that much stuff to give them to chew.	[03:56]
unclemantis	out of my experience area but something i should get into	[03:56]
unclemantis	so what is going on with bitconica?	[03:56]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: glad to hear you're looking forward to it :D	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	o what, no more drama ?	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	and i had just gotten myself milk and coconut cookies!	[03:58]
splatster	smickles: What is it you're doing?	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin-otc fails to deliver :(	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	i was promised drama dammit!	[03:59]
unclemantis	is bitcoinica.com some sort of interested accrued savings account?	[03:59]
smickles	splatster: making an exchange for contracts. ya know, options, futures, derivatives basically	[03:59]
splatster	oooh	[04:00]
splatster	smickles: Can't wait :)	[04:00]
unclemantis	can someone please give me the skinny on bitcoinica without sending me to a wiki page?	[04:00]
copumpkin	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkMn_5QpsX8	[04:00]
rg	wait no	[04:01]
rg	its not paragliding	[04:01]
rg	its hng gliding	[04:01]
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rg	thats the bad ass one	[04:01]
copumpkin	unclemantis: bitcoinica gives you leveraged trading of bitcoins	[04:01]
splatster	mircea_popescu: You want drama? maybe a little $randomNick could help...	[04:01]
splatster	;;action hates [echo $randomNick]	[04:01]
*	gribble hates quantumi	[04:01]
rg	i was going to use my 130 btc to buy new servers	[04:01]
rg	but ill buy a hang glider instead	[04:01]
rg	anyone?	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	is it well hung ?	[04:01]
unclemantis	copumpkin and for the non money person, what exactly does that mean?	[04:01]
oddlifter	need coin.. have pp	[04:01]
rg	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5j3GXQftU	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	unclematis for the non money person its :	[04:02]
copumpkin	unclemantis: a CDS is basically a bet that someone will default. The buyer of the CDS pays the seller regularly and the seller agrees to pay the buyer lots of money if the loan defaults. If you are the lender in the loan, this boils down to insurance on your loan. If you are a third party, you're betting that someone else will fail to repay	[04:02]
copumpkin	unclemantis: it means you can borrow money to trade more, basically. When you borrow, you make money faster if you predicted correctly and lose money faster if you didn't	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	it's all just one big scam	[04:03]
unclemantis	sounds like a gamble	[04:03]
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unclemantis	so thy are basicly a wall street type bookie	[04:04]
copumpkin	unclemantis: say I have $5 and buy one bitcoin (asusming $5 each) and the price goes up to $6, and I sell. I've made $1. Now, say I have $5, and borrow $50, then buy 11 bitcoins, and then the price goes up to $6: my total worth is $6 * 11 = $66, but I owe my lender $50. I pay him back, and I'm left with $16, which is $11 profit over my original $5	[04:04]
unclemantis	damn this is getting ugly	[04:04]
paraipan	notice that coinica is using usd to make all that posible	[04:05]
unclemantis	anything based on the USD is going to fail	[04:05]
copumpkin	lol	[04:05]
paraipan	it can go the legal way or not be a part of bitcoin comunity	[04:05]
copumpkin	paraipan: I'm glad you've decided that for us	[04:05]
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paraipan	that's the way i see it	[04:05]
unclemantis	so make 1 dollar on 5 or 11 on a loan	[04:05]
copumpkin	paraipan for BDFL	[04:05]
copumpkin	unclemantis: yeah, but the risk for those $11 is much higher	[04:06]
gmaxwell	copumpkin: why are you talking about buying bitcoin?	[04:06]
copumpkin	you've multiplied your profits but also your risk	[04:06]
unclemantis	definitly not my game	[04:06]
paraipan	heh i'm not dictating anything here	[04:06]
unclemantis	i am looking for long term investment in bitcoin	[04:06]
copumpkin	gmaxwell: I was just explaining one half of the leveraged trading concept :P	[04:06]
copumpkin	unclemantis: short selling is the same idea, backwards. You borrow bitcoins instead of USD and you sell them immediately	[04:06]
paraipan	i'm sick and tired of seeing news about bitcoin involved in illegal practices	[04:06]
splatster	paraipan: It smells like... centralization. Something tells me that that's not good.	[04:07]
oddlifter	;;getrating spawn-	[04:07]
smickles	[21:05] anything based on the USD is going to fail < that's why i'll use Unreal Satoshi Denari	[04:07]
vragnaroda	paraipan: Notice that the rotation period of Deimos is about 30.3 hours.	[04:07]
unclemantis	i need to find something else to invest in regarding bitcoin	[04:07]
gmaxwell	Fine enough, the site in question does not enable you to purchase bitcoin at all— it's just sidebets. (the fiction of it is what makes it viable but also would potentially make it unlawful in many places)	[04:07]
unclemantis	these options this is too risky for ME	[04:07]
copumpkin	gmaxwell: sure, which is why I think it's hard to argue they're actually lending you USD, but I'm not going to get back into that discussion	[04:08]
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paraipan	i don't know why i bothered to pressure bitcoinica at all	[04:08]
copumpkin	I also don't think anything about the legal status of bitcoinica (or bitcoin) is "clear"	[04:08]
paraipan	just stupid from my part	[04:08]
copumpkin	as much as phantomcircuit wants to sound knowledgeable about it :)	[04:08]
copumpkin	I think if it ever went to court it'd be pretty tricky	[04:08]
paraipan	all the ppl i meet and know bitcoin from press only ask me bad things they read about it	[04:08]
gmaxwell	copumpkin: bitcoinica is clear enough that you're not buying/selling bitcoin's there.	[04:08]
gmaxwell	"To make things simple, there are no deliveries of Bitcoins. If you are looking for an exchange that gets you actual Bitcoins, we recommend Mt. Gox and TradeHill"	[04:09]
copumpkin	gmaxwell: yeah, but then they're "clearly" not lending you USD, either	[04:09]
vragnaroda	Well, where it went to court would really be the biggest factor.	[04:09]
splatster	Lets just drop this and talk about... Paxum or Tradhill or something.	[04:09]
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splatster	Something that doesn't matter	[04:09]
gmaxwell	key words being "no deliveries", though they're misleading everywhere else. ::shrugs::	[04:09]
copumpkin	gmaxwell: which is also why I think it's decently clever on their part	[04:09]
splatster	So we don't end up hating each other	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	i don't know why i bothered to pressure bitcoinica at all << generally it's good to THINK FIRST	[04:09]
mcorlett	splatster: No - this is insanely great!	[04:09]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, "To make things simple, there are no deliveries of Bitcoins."	[04:09]
splatster	mcorlett: damn	[04:10]
copumpkin	yeah	[04:10]
copumpkin	what's that inreference to?	[04:10]
paraipan	i gave a good 2 day thought before doing it.... and came up with the know result	[04:10]
paraipan	you pounder about it the same time	[04:10]
paraipan	and see what you get	[04:10]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, i think their legal status is actually reasonably clear	[04:10]
mcorlett	So, mircea_popescu, would you file a report against an unregulated financial services provider, such as Bitcoinica?	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	i don't think bitcoinica is a financial services provider.	[04:11]
paraipan	lol	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	and no, i wouldn't file against Blizzard for not doing whatever with their game gold.	[04:11]
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mcorlett	You don't think Bitcoinica provides financial services?!	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	that's right.	[04:11]
splatster	paraipan: I think this is a lose-lose situation fro you now. If nothing comes of this, you look boastfull, but if you shut down bitcoinica, people hate you.	[04:12]
gmaxwell	I agree with mircea_popescu.	[04:12]
splatster	boastful*	[04:12]
copumpkin	;;rate mcorlett -2 going around self-righteously probing people about their beliefs to find who to rate negatively	[04:12]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -2 for user mcorlett has been recorded.	[04:12]
dwon	You actually can exchange BTC for USD on bitcoinica, though.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	course gmaxwell prolly agrees for slightly diff reasons.	[04:12]
gmaxwell	mcorlett: Do you think casinos provide financial services?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	there's two floors to this argument.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	haha yea, exactly.	[04:12]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: What about margin trading, is it a financial service?	[04:13]
smickles	gambling	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	if by margin trading you mean contracts involving actual currency.	[04:13]
mcorlett	gmaxwell: I'm not familiar enough with casinos to answer that question.	[04:13]
copumpkin	mcorlett: is the personal paypal loan I sent imsaguy the other day a financial service?	[04:13]
gmaxwell	Thats with Bitcoinica is— a casino. This isn't obvious to you because they are somewhat deceptive about their business (though technically honest, as I quoted above)— and also because the specific kind of casino they are is generally outlawed so you're probably not familar with it.	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	that is correct gmaxwell.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	however, even if that were somehow resolved, i still wouldn't think its a "financial services provider".	[04:14]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, only if you do it as a regular business activity	[04:14]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, :)	[04:14]
paraipan	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_services	[04:14]
gmaxwell	mcorlett: Bitcoinica doesn't provide margin trading of the same kind that e.g. an american brokerage does. When a real brokerage provides you with margin they're actually making a lone to you (secured by your assets you have with them and their ability to sue you for the rest).	[04:14]
copumpkin	phantomcircuit: how regular?	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	;;gribble shoot anyone quoting wikipedia.	[04:14]
gmaxwell	On bitcoinica there is no loan because you're not actually buying and selling bitcoins/dollars, instead you're making bets on changes in the trading prices.	[04:15]
mcorlett	gmaxwell: I can agree with that.	[04:15]
gmaxwell	(Bitcoinica is the counterparty in these bets— and the engage in various practices to reduce their risks, behind the scenes)	[04:15]
zordilorp	its a futures contract then	[04:15]
zordilorp	regulated by the cftc	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	no its not	[04:16]
paraipan	"Intermediation or advisory services - These services involve stock brokers (private client services) and discount brokers"	[04:16]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, under us law that's something which is left upto the regulating authority (specifically the secretary of the treasury)	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	it's NO KIND OF CONTRACT if there's no deliveries.	[04:16]
gmaxwell	zordilorp: no, because there is no delivery of bitcoins ever. Real futures contracts involve at least the possibility of delivery.	[04:16]
phantomcircuit	copumpkin, who in turn has delegated the authority (more or less) to specific agents of fincen	[04:16]
unclemantis	right now my bitcoin investment is only based on the long term prediction that the value of bitcoin will continue to overall go UP. Are there other options?	[04:16]
phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, bitcoinica is a bucket shop	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[04:16]
zordilorp	synthetic derivatives dont have to deliver anything	[04:16]
phantomcircuit	which are illegal in most of the world	[04:16]
zordilorp	how exactly do these trades work	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	unclematis : yes, you can buy options for other evolutions, short term.	[04:17]
vragnaroda	It's generally a bad idea for a non-native speaker with noticeably odd speech to pick a definition argument.	[04:17]
gmaxwell	zordilorp: it's just a bet. When businesses like this were common (before being outlawed in the early 1900s in most places) they were called bucketshops. (owing to their historical origins)	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	zordilorp just because the delivery is synthetic does not mean it's not "anything".	[04:17]
zordilorp	yeah bucketshop offers trades on margin, and then does a margin call if you're close to losing your payin	[04:17]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: In that case, would you file a report against an unregulated (and probably illegal) bucket shop, such as Bitcoinica?	[04:17]
zordilorp	margin doesnt need to have collateral	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't, seeing how bitcoinica is not a bucket shop, it's an online simulation of a bucket shop	[04:18]
copumpkin	http://i43.tinypic.com/mb4qvp.png	[04:18]
vragnaroda	[21:11] < mircea_pope> \| i don't think bitcoinica is a financial services provider. \| [21:11] < mircea_pope> \| and no, i wouldn't file against Blizzard for not doing whatever with their game gold.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	you're proposing i file a complaint for airline noise against kids plaing f-19 on their computer.	[04:18]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: That was already answered.	[04:18]
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gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: er, you're taking the position that things done on a computer are unreal?	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	no.	[04:19]
copumpkin	paraipan: if only you had been speechless earlier :)	[04:19]
zordilorp	the cftc has written opinions saying that predictino markets are legal and dont need to be licensed	[04:19]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Can you refer me to the appropriate message?	[04:19]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: pardon me while I empty your bank accounts and take your files. :)	[04:19]
unclemantis	i am currently keeping my bitcoin savings in a paper wallet. Are there any options of making getting more bitcoin by just letting it sit somewhere else?	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	i am taking the position that speciffic things done on computers can be protecterd from the pretense of idiots that they're "real"	[04:19]
vragnaroda	[21:11] < mircea_pope> \| i don't think bitcoinica is a financial services provider. \| [21:11] < mircea_pope> \| and no, i wouldn't file against Blizzard for not doing whatever with their game gold.	[04:19]
gmaxwell	Oh look, a picture of mircea_popescu in his underwear.	[04:19]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: ^	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	you know, like it being legal to kill people on the theatrical scene	[04:19]
*	zordilorp has no idea how bitcoinica works or what it is	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	even if some redneck might call the police on you.	[04:19]
oddlifter	can anybody do 5.3usd/btc pp	[04:20]
gmaxwell	In any case its inevitable that people would report them to the authorities... some guy would place real money with them and lose it and decide they got ripped off..	[04:20]
zordilorp	"Margin trading: Trade with our money! Leverage your profits when you're confident."	[04:20]
gmaxwell	I doubt any authorities will care.	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	well that i can see	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[04:20]
paraipan	i fine going down in the community if that's what it take to open some eyes	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	the dude would be a muppet.	[04:20]
copumpkin	gmaxwell: I agree. I still think it's a dick move	[04:20]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: First and foremost: I have no idea how Blizzard operates. Is there anything relevant to this discussion about their gold?	[04:20]
copumpkin	paraipan: feel free to keep seeing yourself as the martyr in this situation	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	they make d3, say, mcorlett	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	aslo wow.	[04:20]
vragnaroda	.wik analogy	[04:21]
phantomcircuit	zordilorp, they're a bitcoin brokerage essentially, offering margin trading as well as interest on demand deposits	[04:21]
markac	"Analogy (from Greek 'ἀναλογία' – analogia, 'proportion'[1]\|[2]\|) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), and a linguistic expression [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy	[04:21]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: ^ Read that	[04:21]
zordilorp	i c	[04:21]
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mcorlett	vragnaroda: Fascinating stuff!	[04:21]
gmaxwell	phantomcircuit: No. They pretend to be that. But the bitcoins/dollars you buy and sell there are fictional. You know this.	[04:21]
paraipan	copumpkin i did what my small brain told me to do is right	[04:21]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Are they a bucket shop?	[04:21]
dwon	gmaxwell: What do you think of this? http://imgur.com/uLrTb	[04:21]
phantomcircuit	gmaxwell, yes i should have been more clear	[04:21]
vragnaroda	mcorlett: There's no way you read that that fast.	[04:22]
gmaxwell	phantomcircuit: the difference is important, because when they do eventually over extend themselves— they won't have the assets to back up any off the accounts and the customers will be left holding the bag.	[04:22]
dwon	gmaxwell: You keep quoting that "there are no deliveries of bitcoins", but in fact you can deposit, exchange, and withdraw bitcoins using bitcoinica. I think their FAQ is out of date.	[04:22]
phantomcircuit	mcorlett, there is no relation at all, blizzard specifically states that no virtual items in WoW have any value and you agree to that in the TOS	[04:22]
copumpkin	paraipan: and you were free to do so :) we're also free to dislike you for it	[04:22]
gmaxwell	dwon: "no deliveries" is a technical term, relating to the satisfaction of the underlying contracts.	[04:22]
vragnaroda	phantomcircuit: Sure and I define π = 3.	[04:22]
paraipan	i'm fine with that copumpkin	[04:22]
gmaxwell	dwon: of course you can deposit and withdraw, otherwise the site would be useless. :)	[04:23]
zordilorp	a bet on the future value of an asset (like a currency) is considered a futures contract by the cftc. delivery isnt essential to it	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit: Sure and I define π = 3. sometimes i miss fortran	[04:23]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, in the us at least that provision has been held up in court, if someone hacks your computer and steals your wow gold you cant sue them for it, although you might be able to get the prosecutor to charge them with computer misuse	[04:23]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: I'm not sure you noticed, but I specifically rephrased my question to instead ask about bucket shops. Did you notice?	[04:24]
gmaxwell	dwon: and your completely understandable misreading there is why I feel comfortable claiming that they're being a bit deceptive.	[04:24]
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mircea_popescu	zordilorp : a bet is not a contract, bitcoins aren't a currency etc.	[04:24]
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vragnaroda	mcorlett: That's not rephrasing an earlier question. That's a completely unrelated question that I chose to ignore.	[04:24]
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phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, it's pretty damning when you show up in court suing for something where the other party has you're written agreement that the very thing you're suing for has no value	[04:24]
paraipan	in spain bitcoins are treated as digital good	[04:25]
vragnaroda	*your	[04:25]
vragnaroda	It is pretty silly.	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	by whom where paraipan	[04:25]
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mcorlett	vragnaroda: When you told me "That was already answered.", what were you referring to?	[04:25]
paraipan	by the people	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	o the people is it.	[04:25]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, bah you're right i dont know why i keep doing that	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	how's your mother treated in spain	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	by the people ?	[04:25]
vragnaroda	lol	[04:25]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: My last question was minutes earlier.	[04:25]
paraipan	we, the people, remember ?	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	in spain ?	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	dude, you selling any of that nice pot ?	[04:26]
copumpkin	we the gourds	[04:26]
paraipan	democracy is equal in all parts of the world	[04:26]
paraipan	i actually had to study spanish constitution	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	and your brain is equally distributed in al parts of your body	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	sorta like an amoeba.	[04:26]
danieldaniel	omg guys	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	equal.	[04:26]
danieldaniel	1Ht3k6fY138ZeDXt38KF2fPLWaXDYthbRn is the most amazing btc address evar	[04:26]
gmaxwell	danieldaniel: why?	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck do unmeasurable abstracts get to be equal for fucks sake	[04:26]
gfinn	"democracy is equal in all parts of the world"?	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	DO THEY NOT TEACH ANYTHING IN SCHOOLS ANYMORE OMFG!11	[04:27]
danieldaniel	gmaxwell: because you need to send all of your bit coins to it now	[04:27]
gfinn	what is that intended to mean?	[04:27]
P3DigitalResourc	hello id like to buy ~200 coins with paypal. Smaller amounts are just fine. Although I havent participated in the rep system here yet I have a very good rating on ebay, Im keepsallhismoneyinapaperbag. Thank you	[04:27]
danieldaniel	P3DIGITALRESOURC: lolno	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	P3DigitalResourc get authed with the wot.	[04:27]
dwon	gmaxwell: I don't see how they're being deceptive, either. You've called them a "bucket shop" in the past, but that only reason why a bucket shop is an actual problem is when they bet against their customers because they make no actual trades on a real exchange. Bitcoinica makes trades and doesn't bet against its customers. And as far as it being like a casino is concerned, all margin trading, option trading---really, any speculation---is effectivel	[04:27]
dwon	y gambling in some sense. I don't see how this makes Bitcoinica somehow less legitimate or "not a provider of financial services".	[04:27]
mcorlett	P3DigitalResourc: I thoroughly enjoy your eBay username.	[04:27]
vragnaroda	“We the People” is how the U.S. Constitution starts. The Spanish Constiution opens with “Lord Juan Carlos I, King of Spain”	[04:27]
rg	http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-Cessna-172C-/180819628731?pt=Motors_Aircraft&hash=item2a19b092bb	[04:27]
danieldaniel	rg: only $15000?	[04:28]
phantomcircuit	inb4deathtrap	[04:28]
gmaxwell	dwon: many bucket shops also engaged in actual trades to hedge. Morover, how do you think bucketshops manipulated the market to pop their customers without trading? :)	[04:28]
vragnaroda	[21:26] < paraipan> \| i actually had to study spanish constitution <-- and you passed?	[04:28]
rg	well, thats the current bid price	[04:28]
rg	i assume itll probably go for $20k	[04:28]
paraipan	yep vragnaroda	[04:28]
danieldaniel	My dad is a pilot	[04:28]
rg	as a 1970's 172 cessna goes for $50k	[04:28]
danieldaniel	im learning	[04:28]
mcorlett	vragnaroda: Did you chose to ignore my question?	[04:28]
unclemantis	does anyone here offer a interest bearing bitcoin savings account?	[04:28]
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rg	daniel: you ever used one of those ultra light gliders?	[04:28]
paraipan	i study ccna now vragnaroda	[04:28]
gmaxwell	dwon: The difference being that in margin trading you're buying the actual assets	[04:28]
rg	they get towed up by a bigger plane	[04:28]
danieldaniel	rg: no, I've only actually flown a cirrus	[04:28]
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mircea_popescu	if the us and spain didn't have a war over texas and exactly how unequal democracy is this most current paraipan blunder wouldn't even be so funny.	[04:28]
paraipan	exam next month	[04:28]
gmaxwell	(on borrowed money, yes)	[04:29]
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danieldaniel	as in piloted	[04:29]
danieldaniel	OH noes	[04:29]
*	vragnaroda has kicked mcorlett from #bitcoin-otc (Knock it off; come back later.)	[04:29]
rawrmage	ffealthy pweor texa	[04:29]
rawrmage	wealthy power texans!	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	lol were you lurking rawr ?	[04:29]
rg	i want to fly something	[04:29]
rawrmage	no ive got noa fucking idea what youre aaling about	[04:30]
rawrmage	talking	[04:30]
rg	peferably without an engine	[04:30]
AcidicChip	I'll sell you a kite for 2BTC	[04:30]
danieldaniel	AcidicChip: LOL	[04:30]
Vual	SOLD!	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	ill sell kicks in the rear for 5btc	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	WITH delivery.	[04:30]
paraipan	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_N0oRbXcg8 rg	[04:30]
rawrmage	mircea_popescu: your necklace	[04:30]
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rawrmage	it looks just like your cutie markl	[04:30]
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zordilorp	CFTC v. Hanover Trading Corp., 34 F. Supp. 2d 203 (SDNY 1999) (contracts where no delivery was contemplated were futures contracts)	[04:30]
rg	mircea_popescu: itd cost you quite a bit to deliver a kick to any of us	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	what necklace ?	[04:30]
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mircea_popescu	rg : i have fine print, it says you have to be on all fours on the snow in my yard	[04:31]
rg	im.. batman?	[04:31]
rawrmage	mircea_popescu: the one you ammmmmmmmmmmmmmmed	[04:31]
rawrmage	ahmed	[04:31]
oddlifter	need 178 coins	[04:31]
oddlifter	pp	[04:31]
dwon	gmaxwell: So if you were going to set up an online Bitcoin margin trading service, how would you do it differently? If you delivered the assets that were purchased using leverage (which you effectively have a lien on) before someone paid you back, wouldn't it be really easy to rip you off?	[04:31]
rawrmage	oddlifter: NO YOU DONT	[04:31]
danieldaniel	oddlifter: yeah right	[04:31]
rawrmage	THINK ABOUT ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE USD WITHOUT COINS	[04:31]
rg	Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter	[04:31]
rg	you've got to be shitting me	[04:31]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: LOL	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	dwon : that's a big problem, which is why the model doesn't work in this context.	[04:31]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: The coin-hungry children	[04:31]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: hey! you know what this calls for?	[04:32]
rawrmage	a party!	[04:32]
danieldaniel	no	[04:32]
danieldaniel	it doesn't	[04:32]
gmaxwell	dwon: say bitcoin goes to $1000 tomorrow, what happens to all those people who are long in bittonica? They don't actually have the coins to back those positions— they have some tiny fraction, plus a bunch of short positions which long since busted. This is a risk that bittconica users are exposed to, but don't really know about, and lack the information to reason about concretely.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[04:32]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: yessss it does	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	and it doesn't have to go to 1k.	[04:32]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: no gtfo	[04:32]
danieldaniel	:3	[04:32]
gmaxwell	dwon: Yes, it's hard to do it— the correct way is by requring something to secure the loan... but that it's hard doesn't make doing it poorly a good idea.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	the collapse from 30 to 15 would have been enough, and that historically happened.	[04:32]
*	rawrmage forcibly parteis with danieldaniel	[04:33]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: right I don't know how far it has to go, because they don't disclose enough information to figure that out.	[04:33]
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mircea_popescu	gmaxwell : i can guess, and im guessing about 68-75%	[04:33]
dwon	gmaxwell, mircea_popescu: Is that actually true, though? I thought the point of "starring out" (when you can't go long/short and Bitcoinica says "NO RESERVE") was exactly because they do have to purchase the actual coins.	[04:33]
danieldaniel	I'm thinking of starting up my server	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	dwon well there's no way to make sure but im pretty certain for myself.	[04:33]
danieldaniel	but its loud as fuck	[04:33]
paraipan	they don't dwon	[04:33]
paraipan	they bet on the price going down every time	[04:34]
vragnaroda	lolwut	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	that it's hard doesn't make doing it poorly a good idea. << dude i like gmaxwell.	[04:34]
gmaxwell	dwon: they do— to some amount that hedges against the normal variance of the market. But they're first canceling out short and longs against each other. If they actually 1:1 purchased there would never be a reason for an extended hold.	[04:34]
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gmaxwell	dwon: the business they are in works a lot better if they're simultaniously trading a lot of unrelated assets, so they don't all go unprofitable at once. :(	[04:35]
kilm	df	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	and even then surprises can pop	[04:35]
imsaguy	copumpkin: why you gotta be spilling our sekkrets?	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	as in, unrelated may be not enough for them to not go unprofitable at once, seeing how all assets are in the end related.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	Alexandru Bogdan Semenciuc. isn't it sad when the only thing connected to your name is you being stupid ?	[04:37]
paraipan	mircea_popescu i suggest you easy up on me given we don't know each other personally	[04:38]
gmaxwell	paraipan: I don't think you did anything wrong. Probably pointless. But whatever. Don't worry about whatever other people think.	[04:38]
paraipan	that is my name and last name so i exposed more info than bitcoinica atm	[04:38]
paraipan	thanks gmaxwell	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	SEMENCIUC BOGDAN ALEXANDRU X6285888B (64-235599-2009)	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	in madrid.	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[04:39]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: can you cut out the name dropping stuff, it's kinda lame.	[04:39]
jscinoz	What the shit	[04:39]
danieldaniel	First person to post their address gets some btc	[04:39]
jscinoz	I still can't download new blocks, even with the port forwarded correctly	[04:39]
zordilorp	ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=65e2977b8170c650bb7e4b6fa4b4668e&rgn=div5&view=text&node=17:1.0.1.1.29&idno=17	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	if you insist.	[04:39]
zordilorp	the cftc calls it "financial settlement"	[04:39]
paraipan	you have something to point out with that mircea_popescu ?	[04:39]
unclemantis	forbitcoin.com looks like a joke. Is there a more serious website out there for goods and services?	[04:39]
jscinoz	most recent block I have is 29 days old >_<	[04:39]
imsaguy	WTF is going on with all these negative ratings?	[04:39]
paraipan	other than making me feel worse	[04:39]
rg	i love how posting someones information on the internet is considered proper and OK these days	[04:39]
jscinoz	imsaguy: internet drama	[04:39]
danieldaniel	i mean btc address	[04:39]
imsaguy	jscinoz: evidently	[04:39]
zordilorp	when only cash changes hands. theres less regulation for otc trades (person to person futures agreements that arent brokered by an exchange)	[04:39]
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rg	its so petty	[04:39]
imsaguy	I wanna neg someone	[04:39]
imsaguy	who wants a neg rating?	[04:40]
rg	pety	[04:40]
zordilorp	but why would the cftc care about such a tiny market	[04:40]
rg	i do	[04:40]
imsaguy	;;rated rg	[04:40]
gribble	You rated user rg on Mon Jan 9 11:13:57 2012, giving him a rating of 6, and supplied these additional notes: got my digits.	[04:40]
danieldaniel	imsaguy: whats your btc address?	[04:40]
jscinoz	How do I revoke a rating again	[04:40]
imsaguy	;;rate rg -1	[04:40]
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gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 6 to -1.	[04:40]
imsaguy	done.	[04:40]
imsaguy	who else?	[04:40]
Vual	/join #btc-drama	[04:40]
imsaguy	danieldaniel: why?	[04:40]
rg	;;rate imsaguy -10 now what you wanted to give you received	[04:40]
danieldaniel	imsaguy: I want to send you some	[04:40]
danieldaniel	>.>	[04:40]
dwon	gmaxwell: FYI: http://help.bitcoinica.com/discussions/questions/117-what-does-no-reserve-mean-exactly <-- curious to see what zhoutong says about this	[04:40]
Vual	someone rate me +1 for staying here and putting up with this childish shit!!! <---	[04:41]
rg	im pretty sure hes explained it	[04:41]
rg	hasnt he	[04:41]
danieldaniel	;;rate Vual -1 No.	[04:41]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Vual has been recorded.	[04:41]
paraipan	i'm full today imsaguy	[04:41]
rg	it means 'we got no money'	[04:41]
paraipan	:)	[04:41]
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danieldaniel	;;unrate Vual	[04:41]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for Vual.	[04:41]
unclemantis	Tor just released a major update? wow	[04:41]
imsaguy	paraipan: full of shit	[04:41]
imsaguy	?	[04:41]
gmaxwell	dwon: this was already discussed on the forums— thats why I was saying the cancel long and short positions against each other first. But the direct question seems nice.	[04:41]
paraipan	of neg ratings	[04:41]
imsaguy	;;rate rg 6 he helps me sleep at night.	[04:41]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from -1 to 6.	[04:41]
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copumpkin	imsaguy: what secrets?? I was just using you as a (fake) example!	[04:41]
imsaguy	gmaxwell: I said the same thing	[04:42]
imsaguy	but everyone said it wouldn't work	[04:42]
imsaguy	I didn't understand why	[04:42]
jscinoz	Is it possible to cancel a rating? I regret down-rating paraipan earlier	[04:42]
imsaguy	a long is a counter position to a short	[04:42]
Vual	GET A ROOM YOU GIRL SCOUTS	[04:42]
imsaguy	Vual: homo	[04:42]
unclemantis	Vual has cookies!!!	[04:42]
imsaguy	unclemantis: you dont want his cookies.	[04:42]
Vual	:P	[04:42]
danieldaniel	OMG	[04:42]
Vual	hash cookies... maybe you do?	[04:42]
Vual	1btc each	[04:43]
danieldaniel	VUAL GIVE ME COOKIES	[04:43]
Vual	><	[04:43]
Vual	lol	[04:43]
gmaxwell	imsaguy: it does work. except once the prices have climed to the point of popping the shorts then they provide no backing anymore.	[04:43]
imsaguy	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soggy%20cookie	[04:43]
vragnaroda	I will say that if I made a complaint to law enforcement about someone/something, I wouldn't redact information about who I am when telling people about it online.	[04:43]
imsaguy	gmaxwell: but once the shorts have popped, you then have the capital to pay the longs	[04:43]
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imsaguy	so it sitll works right.	[04:43]
vragnaroda	.o ud soggy cookie	[04:43]
imsaguy	the only time you get screwed is the major major extremes	[04:43]
markac	a game when two or more guys stand in a circle around a cookie masturbating and the last one to cum on the cookie has to eat it.A game where a group of men (at least 2) stand in a circle around a cook	[04:43]
jscinoz	;;unrate paraipan	[04:43]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	I will say that if I made a complaint to law enforcement about someone/something, I wouldn't redact information about who I am when telling people about it online. <<<	[04:43]
imsaguy	and thats when you limit	[04:43]
gmaxwell	imsaguy: with some not too hard math you can find out how much hedging you have to do— given a certian amount of variance to make the odds of going bankrupt as low as you like it to be.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	mostly because people can find out.	[04:44]
unclemantis	what is the deal with forbitcoin.com?	[04:44]
imsaguy	gmaxwell: I concur.	[04:44]
paraipan	thank you jscinoz	[04:44]
imsaguy	but I'm just a nobody	[04:44]
dwon	gmaxwell: Cancelling the longs & the shorts doesn't seem like it would involve any risk to me.... (/me does some math) ohhhh, wait, I see how that works. A bunch of shorts could be force-liquidated, but that might not actually make up for the difference if the market moves too quickly.	[04:44]
Vual	stop advertising your shamelss site	[04:44]
dwon	gmaxwell: right?	[04:44]
zordilorp	LE doesnt care about bitcoin trading sites...	[04:44]
gmaxwell	dwon: right. selling someone a long when you don't have the asset has potentially infinite risk.	[04:44]
Vual	hey wait i was looking for that site before	[04:44]
Vual	thats a gig site like fiver for BTC thanks for the share... i was atcaully looking for one	[04:44]
gmaxwell	dwon: but a short that liquidates at some price does not have potentially infinite reward.	[04:44]
jscinoz	paraipan: I still think you're a douche for what you did, however I won't abuse the OTC system for personal grudges	[04:45]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Well, that, and I believe people have the fundamental right to confront people making accusations against them.	[04:45]
vragnaroda	.wik confrontation clause	[04:45]
markac	"The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that 'in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him.' Generally, the right is to have a face-to-face [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confrontation_Clause	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	its why i use my real name online.	[04:45]
Vual	someone trying to sell forbitcoin.com on flippa for 1k.... a nulled fiver script from the net and a $5 logo isnt worth it	[04:45]
a5m0	how much would someone pay for radeon 5830s?	[04:45]
paraipan	jscinoz i understand, you're a nice person	[04:45]
imsaguy	a5m0: $75 wanna sell?	[04:46]
imsaguy	I'll buy 5830s	[04:46]
Vual	who owns forbitcoin.com, ill make you a offer!!!	[04:46]
njstein	]you guys are still talking about that?	[04:46]
a5m0	75 seems a bit low	[04:46]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: Thats also why I use my real name. Though this doesn't prevent anonymous people from sluring me, or even discourage people from believing me. Oh well.	[04:46]
imsaguy	that's generous, some guys I was only paying 65-70	[04:46]
gmaxwell	er believing them.	[04:46]
njstein	paraipan, who did you even report this silly thing for?	[04:46]
njstein	to*	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	course this'd be a civil matter at best so not rly related to the 6th	[04:46]
dwon	gmaxwell: yes, ok, if I'm Bitcoinica, and I have 2 customers: one 100 BTC long and one 100 BTC short, and the price skyrockets, it's perfectly fine as long as my short customer actually makes good on the short, but if he disappears, I might not be able to buy 100 BTC at the force-liquidate price in order to cover my customer who is long.	[04:46]
a5m0	they're 90-130 on ebay	[04:46]
paraipan	nacional police njstein	[04:46]
imsaguy	a5m0 once you figure out a price	[04:46]
imsaguy	then sell on ebay	[04:47]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: No, I'm saying I support the principle, not just that application of it.	[04:47]
dwon	gmaxwell: so for 0 risk, I have to have the 100 BTC anyway. Bitcoinica doesn't.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	gmaxwell i think anyone moderately sane would not put much stock into anonymous slurs really.	[04:47]
vragnaroda	paraipan: *nazi	[04:47]
njstein	national police?	[04:47]
imsaguy	bitcoin doesnt have expenses	[04:47]
imsaguy	or chargebacks	[04:47]
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imsaguy	you can get charged back on ebay	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda i gather.	[04:47]
rg	michael douglas in	[04:47]
njstein	what country is that?	[04:47]
rg	FALLING DOWN	[04:47]
Vual	@#64;unclemantis check out http://getbitcoins.org	[04:47]
Vual	http://freebitcoinsreview.com	[04:47]
Vual	http://whatisbitcoin.net	[04:47]
Vual	http://whatarebitcoins.com	[04:47]
Vual	http://minebitcoin.net	[04:47]
Vual	http://bitcoinminingpool.net	[04:47]
Vual	http://bitcoinpools.net	[04:47]
Vual	http://bitcoinpooledmining.com	[04:47]
imsaguy	stop spamming	[04:47]
Vual	http://buybitcoinsource.com	[04:47]
Vual	:P lol	[04:47]
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imsaguy	kick him	[04:47]
imsaguy	adios	[04:47]
zordilorp	bitclone	[04:47]
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vragnaroda	holy fuck	[04:47]
paraipan	lol	[04:47]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: when it's normal for people to use pseudonyms (like it is in this community) people often don't notice that the people making the slurs are just random names.	[04:47]
phantomcircuit	that is clearly bannable	[04:47]
Vual	wasnt ment to be a spam you dick says the cunts sitting here flaming each other all day	[04:47]
Vual	what happend to otc not for random chat....	[04:48]
Vual	wankers	[04:48]
njstein	paraipan: what nation?	[04:48]
jscinoz	paraipan: :) We'll just have to see how this all turns out	[04:48]
Cory	Vual: Are those your ideas?	[04:48]
imsaguy	Vual: stfu	[04:48]
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paraipan	njstein spain	[04:48]
a5m0	i will sell for $100 including shipping seems like a good price	[04:48]
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imsaguy	adios wanker	[04:48]
imsaguy	a5m0, how old, what rates, how are the fans?	[04:48]
paraipan	jscinoz agree	[04:48]
paraipan	:)	[04:48]
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njstein	spain has no money to investigate silly pretend money. this is probably treated like second life linden	[04:48]
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danieldaniel	a5m0: what for $100?	[04:48]
a5m0	the fans spin	[04:49]
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gmaxwell	njstein: they'd be more likely to investigate if someone showed up saying "I lost 100k euro on this, they ripped me off!"	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	gmaxwell : the 401 scams took about 50mn in >1k people to actually start moving	[04:50]
a5m0	danieldaniel, radeon 5830s	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	iirc.	[04:50]
danieldaniel	$100 for more than one?	[04:50]
gmaxwell	mircea_popescu: 419?	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	ya that	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	rich uncle bs.	[04:50]
vragnaroda	.wik 419 scam	[04:51]
markac	"An advance-fee fraud is a confidence trick in which the target is persuaded to advance sums of money in the hope of realizing a significantly larger gain." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scam	[04:51]
gmaxwell	I think there is a cognative bias at play there that goes something like "jeez. No one fell for that, right? come on. how stupid do you have to be?" :)	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	i think that type of bias is universally available.	[04:51]
kilm	;;sell 102 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of http://www.thelimited.com/ egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable.	[04:52]
gmaxwell	I think that relative to that particular bias something slick like bitcoinica is more likely to get investigated.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i think we should have a futures market on this :)	[04:52]
gmaxwell	haha	[04:52]
gmaxwell	I said 'more' not ... likely! :)	[04:52]
paraipan	i will keep you guys updated	[04:53]
gmaxwell	I think it's unlikely.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand the spanish did invent winmill fighting...	[04:53]
danieldaniel	does anyone know of a bitcoin lottery? I have an extra .5 btc with nothing to do with	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	windmill*	[04:53]
paraipan	if police ever contact me	[04:53]
paraipan	contacts*	[04:53]
amiller	danieldaniel you could try bitcoin battleship / bitcoinchess	[04:53]
danieldaniel	paraipan: please dont	[04:53]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: and they were pretty good at Inquisition-type things for a while, too.	[04:53]
danieldaniel	amiller: ok	[04:53]
draco49	bitlotto.com	[04:53]
paraipan	ok danieldaniel	[04:53]
rg	spain must have the highest cancer rate	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	well vragnaroda... they had two things working for them. surprise and fear.	[04:53]
rg	(lung) cancer	[04:54]
amiller	danieldaniel, give me .5 btc and i'll flip a coin for you	[04:54]
danieldaniel	draco49: anything recent?	[04:54]
danieldaniel	amiller: XD	[04:54]
OneFixt	no one expects the spanish inquisition	[04:54]
rg	nobdy	[04:54]
draco49	what do you mean?	[04:54]
danieldaniel	like	[04:54]
vragnaroda	I do want to know the progress of that whole thing with bitcoinica in Spain but I still think you're a scumbag.	[04:54]
danieldaniel	something I can win tonight	[04:54]
OneFixt	right rg, nobody	[04:54]
dwon	gmaxwell: Thanks for explaining it to me. I still don't really have a problem with what Bitcoinica does. To me, the risk is worth the learning experience, and zhoutong doesn't strike me as exceedingly dishonest (even if he prefers to "beg for forgiveness rather than ask for permission"). Still, you've helped me understand this a lot better than I used to. Could you PM me a bitcoin address so I can send you a 2.0 BTC token of gratitude?	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	for the newer kids in the crowd, explanation : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI	[04:55]
draco49	oh... no, as far as I know there's no daily/weekly lottery YET....	[04:55]
danieldaniel	aww	[04:55]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: if you send me your .5 i can keep it and say you lost	[04:55]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: LOL	[04:55]
danieldaniel	no	[04:55]
draco49	but bitlotto is legit and not a bad value @#64; 0.25/entry	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	"risk isworth the learning experience" < dwon prolly has it.	[04:55]
rawrmage	;;roll	[04:55]
rg	vragnaroda has a new butt buddy	[04:55]
gmaxwell	dwon: I don't think there is anything wrong with it so long as people are fully informed. I thin kthey could do a little better in that regard.	[04:55]
vragnaroda	Why on Earth would you PM a bitcoin address?	[04:55]
dwon	gmaxwell: agreed	[04:55]
danieldaniel	someone should make a weekly lottery	[04:56]
draco49	:D ...	[04:56]
danieldaniel	or daily	[04:56]
rg	its good enough for you its good enough for me its good enough!	[04:56]
unclemantis	they are out there	[04:56]
paraipan	vragnaroda i can live with that	[04:56]
gmaxwell	(likewise I think ponzi schemes are also okay if they're explicit)	[04:56]
rg	its good enough fro me! ay yi yi yi	[04:56]
paraipan	:)	[04:56]
unclemantis	and when you say lottery what do you mean exactly?	[04:56]
unclemantis	shit, how about a bitcoin BINGO	[04:56]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: like powerball	[04:56]
danieldaniel	]	[04:56]
vragnaroda	.w lottery	[04:56]
markac	lottery — noun: 1. A scheme for the distribution of prizes by lot or chance, especially a gaming scheme in which one or more tickets bearing particular numbers draw prizes, the other tickets are blanks, 2. (figuratively) An affair of chance	[04:56]
zordilorp	bet that the last digit of the next block hash will be < 8	[04:57]
danieldaniel	w00t	[04:57]
danieldaniel	won a bit coin on betcoin	[04:57]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: On what bet?	[04:57]
danieldaniel	betcoin.eu	[04:57]
dwon	vragnaroda: Some people prefer to PM bitcoin addresses, because a few publicly-known bitcoin address makes it really easy for people to trace where you've received/spent bitcoins.	[04:57]
rg	.o ud vrag	[04:57]
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markac	Slang for Vag, or vagina.1. Slang for vagina or vag. 2. Acronym for Violence Risk Appraisal Guide.	[04:57]
rawrmage	.o ud rg	[04:57]
rawrmage	.o ud rawrmage	[04:57]
markac	An internet chat abbreviation for "retarded giggles"; applicable when reading a message and in stead of 'laughing out loud', you let out a short, obnoxious, manatee-sounding laugh. An 'RG' can also be	[04:57]
rawrmage	.o ud rawr	[04:57]
markac	ENOTFOUND	[04:57]
rawrmage	.o ud made	[04:57]
rawrmage	.o ud mage	[04:57]
vragnaroda	dwon: It takes more than a few.	[04:57]
markac	A word that means "I Love You" in dinosaur. A primitive sound used to represent a personal feeling. Due to the generic and modular nature of the word, the actual implied meaning varies from person to	[04:57]
rg	.o ud rapeghost	[04:57]
markac	A skilled magic user who, unlike wizards and sorcerors, needs no staff as an outlet of his magic, but instead uses his hands.The class in World of Warcraft that does crack, then goes and casts spells	[04:58]
markac	to be "blessed" into a family(crew) by means of being a great associate(cafone)in which a member of cosa nostra(made man most likely a soldier "soldati" or a higher ranking soldier "sgarrista") has al	[04:58]
markac	A ghost with a peculiar obsession with raping anything and everything. Its ethereal nature gives it the ability to rape a wide variety of people, animals, and objects.	[04:58]
rawrmage	lol	[04:58]
rg	sounds about right	[04:58]
rg	i rape anything with matter	[04:58]
rawrmage	i do crack then cast spells and am a dinosaur	[04:58]
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paraipan	vragnaroda could you please keep your personal opinion on me out of the otc rating system ?	[04:59]
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vragnaroda	paraipan: No, that's what it's for. Your behavior causes me to distrust you.	[05:00]
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danieldaniel	W00t	[05:00]
danieldaniel	I won 150% of my bet at probiwon.com	[05:00]
rg	vragnaroda - the guy who doesnt trade yet still puts shit in the ratings	[05:00]
rg	lovely	[05:00]
zordilorp	where can i get a bitcoin loan	[05:00]
paraipan	i don't think you have any reason to rate me given that we didn't trade or do bussines at all	[05:00]
paraipan	:(	[05:00]
danieldaniel	;;ident zordilorp	[05:01]
gribble	Nick 'zordilorp', with hostmask 'zordilorp!~zordilorp@#64;70-90-104-13-ma-ne.hfc.comcastbusiness.net', is not identified.	[05:01]
danieldaniel	no	[05:01]
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danieldaniel	zordilorp: not here :)	[05:01]
danieldaniel	well, yes here	[05:01]
danieldaniel	but only when you have a rating	[05:01]
zordilorp	ahh'cool	[05:01]
vragnaroda	rg: I have traded on here. I just don't do it often. I will not trade with paraipan and people that would factor what I say is my trust level for him into it are clear about why.	[05:01]
vragnaroda	[22:00] < paraipan> \| i don't think you have any reason to rate me given that we didn't trade or do bussines at all <- You don't understand the purpose.	[05:02]
paraipan	but your statement is false	[05:02]
paraipan	i didn't use force on no one	[05:02]
paraipan	and i have suspicion	[05:02]
danieldaniel	paraipan: don't use bad grammar with vrag	[05:02]
rg	paraipan: whatever your motivation for doing what you did, its going to come off as being a tattle tale to people	[05:02]
vragnaroda	That you're oblivious to what your actions are only makes it worse.	[05:03]
rg	just chill	[05:03]
rg	itll blow over	[05:03]
paraipan	of bitcoinica	[05:03]
paraipan	got it rg	[05:03]
rg	markymark will eventually remove it	[05:03]
rg	no harm no foul	[05:03]
rg	honestly a bad otc rating is the least of your worries right now	[05:03]
rg	youve got all those forum fags out for blood	[05:03]
paraipan	but i take it seriously that's all	[05:03]
rg	meh if you created another identity here for trading	[05:04]
rawrmage	rg, paraipan: http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/woonastuck/17847775962/1/tumblr_lzm2ognWdh1r757rd	[05:04]
rg	no one would even know	[05:04]
rawrmage	here is a picture of science woona	[05:04]
kilm	dont worry paraipan vragnaroda is a evil perso	[05:04]
paraipan	:)	[05:04]
rawrmage	guard it with your lief	[05:04]
rg	well i disagree with that	[05:04]
zordilorp	so otc is a popularity contest where people record their personal opinions of other users?	[05:04]
paraipan	not at all kilm	[05:04]
danieldaniel	zordilorp: no	[05:04]
rg	zordilorp: its a trust based system	[05:04]
rg	if something rubs you the wrong way about someone	[05:04]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: kilm is djk90	[05:04]
rg	youre free to put it in the ratings	[05:04]
paraipan	he doesn't know what this is all about	[05:04]
rg	just as theyre free to do it to you	[05:04]
vragnaroda	I suspect so.	[05:05]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: he's selling the same GCs	[05:05]
rawrmage	for the same amount	[05:05]
paraipan	ack rg	[05:05]
rg	detectivemage	[05:05]
rawrmage	with the same string	[05:05]
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rg	who is djk90	[05:06]
rg	annoying turd?	[05:06]
vragnaroda	rawrmage: and celeste and guss64 and roanm6 and damarsh	[05:06]
rg	scammer?	[05:06]
rawrmage	vragnaroda: lol	[05:06]
draco49	he's been trying to sell GC for thelimited for a few days now...	[05:06]
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vragnaroda	rg: An annoying turd that has 100s of $1 gift cards for CVS and other places.	[05:07]
draco49	But last I recall he couldn't get GPG to work or figure out the regsitration and auth process.	[05:07]
vragnaroda	That's correct.	[05:08]
echelon	who	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	im starting to suspect very deliberate trollery.	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	the paraipan fellow keeps his cool and argues minor points	[05:11]
njstein	yo gangsta with those cvs gift cards	[05:11]
njstein	or maybe people are just that stupid	[05:11]
paraipan	my life story mircea_popescu	[05:11]
paraipan	:)	[05:11]
njstein	you can't have >100 iqs without <100 iqs	[05:11]
paraipan	nice to meet you btw	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	o, we've met ?	[05:12]
paraipan	in here i mean	[05:12]
njstein	i was watchin my friend open his sat scores in c++ class, he got an 850 out of 1600	[05:12]
njstein	it was an awkward situation	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	ouch.	[05:13]
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mircea_popescu	i knew these folks. they had this daughter, a kinda nice and very pretty girl.	[05:14]
phraust	ay!	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	maybe a bit simple ? tho you never know	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	she told everyone she did GREAT on the SAT	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	and then the results came	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	it was like... i don't even recall, 200 ? 300 ?	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	was like the bottom 1%	[05:14]
njstein	total?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	yea	[05:15]
njstein	like 500?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	was like the lowest score in the history of her school.	[05:15]
njstein	you get 200 points on each section for writing your name down	[05:15]
rawrmage	lol	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	and this was on the west coast, history of the school = century+	[05:15]
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mcorlett	Hi there.	[05:15]
rawrmage	hi mcorlett	[05:15]
rawrmage	how are you <3	[05:15]
njstein	got any cvs gift cards?	[05:15]
njstein	i'm fiending	[05:15]
rawrmage	lûl	[05:16]
mcorlett	rawrmage: I get by.	[05:16]
zordilorp	i need my suppositories	[05:16]
njstein	i'd like 50 $1 ones, so the cashier can finally learn my name	[05:16]
zordilorp	ill buy some cvs cards at a 5% discount maybe	[05:16]
lueo	;;book MTGUSD	[05:18]
rawrmage	rg: hey have you seen our old friend GammaG's new vhost on rizon	[05:19]
rawrmage	rg: "GammaG [peepweet@#64;I.Love.Opioids.n.Opiates.H]"	[05:19]
njstein	lol	[05:19]
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Staatsfeind	rawrmage: What channels does (s)he frequent on Rizon?	[05:19]
danieldaniel	This is my conversation with xbox live	[05:20]
danieldaniel	'	[05:20]
danieldaniel	"It will help me serve you better if I can find your customer record"	[05:20]
rawrmage	donno, he disconnected	[05:20]
danieldaniel	"I don't have one… You fucking banned me"	[05:20]
danieldaniel	"Im sorry, that was an invalid response"	[05:20]
danieldaniel	...	[05:20]
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njstein	didn't you have a customer record at one time?	[05:20]
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danieldaniel	yeah	[05:21]
danieldaniel	apparently they deleted it	[05:21]
rawrmage	paraipan: right, but did you file a police report /before/ asking to see their info?	[05:21]
njstein	did you have 'em try lookin for it again?	[05:21]
P3DigitalResourc	does anyone here use moneybookers for selling/buying bitcoin?	[05:22]
paraipan	not at all rawrmage	[05:22]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: oooo, can't tell, they went umode +p	[05:22]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: they didn't used to do that	[05:22]
zordilorp	goatcash	[05:22]
paraipan	i asked zhoutong politely in the forum	[05:22]
rawrmage	must be getting tired of stalkers	[05:22]
rawrmage	link?	[05:22]
evertonblair	;;sell 102 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of http://www.thelimited.com/ egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable.	[05:22]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: What's that?	[05:22]
paraipan	serching for the posts...	[05:22]
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rawrmage	Staatsfeind: the equivalent of umode +i on freenode	[05:22]
njstein	danieldaniel: you could try being polite over the phone instead of malicious to someone who had absolutely nothing to do with your situation and probably hates his job as it is but has to keep it because he got some dumb 19 year old pregnant cause he was raw dogging her like a crazy foo. he doesn't deserve that	[05:24]
danieldaniel	LOLWUT	[05:24]
danieldaniel	oh	[05:24]
danieldaniel	hell no	[05:24]
danieldaniel	I'm recording this shit	[05:25]
mcorlett	danieldaniel: May I ask how old you are?	[05:25]
danieldaniel	17	[05:25]
mcorlett	Thank you.	[05:25]
danieldaniel	???	[05:25]
danieldaniel	no, I'm really 9001	[05:25]
njstein	i bet your white too	[05:25]
njstein	i fucking hate white people	[05:25]
copumpkin	your white what?	[05:25]
mcorlett	Just barely over 9000, then.	[05:25]
njstein	you're*	[05:25]
copumpkin	I fucking hate white people too	[05:25]
rawrmage	why are you thanking him for his age?	[05:25]
danieldaniel	njstein: i am	[05:25]
danieldaniel	'	[05:25]
mcorlett	rawrmage: I thanked him for answering the question.	[05:26]
rawrmage	ah	[05:26]
njstein	they are loud and obnoxious and think they own the place and have silly problems	[05:26]
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Staatsfeind	We do own the place, though. :þ	[05:26]
copumpkin	omg a thorn	[05:26]
danieldaniel	I said my last place was herpderp	[05:26]
Staatsfeind	*þorn	[05:27]
copumpkin	you got a thorn in your tongue	[05:27]
danieldaniel	and she asked to spell that	[05:27]
danieldaniel	>.>	[05:27]
copumpkin	oh, sorry	[05:27]
copumpkin	murþer	[05:27]
rawrmage	moþer	[05:27]
phantomcircuit	njstein, i believe you just described poor people in general	[05:27]
phantomcircuit	congrats	[05:27]
Staatsfeind	What's ðat supposed to be?	[05:27]
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paraipan	rawrmage https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63694.msg746083#msg746083	[05:27]
Staatsfeind	phantomcircuit: lol	[05:27]
njstein	woah, when did i ever said anything about ecomonic wealth	[05:27]
copumpkin	Staatsfeind: I remember reading somewhere that the murther -> murder transition happened due to the þ looking like a D	[05:27]
copumpkin	Staatsfeind: but that might just be pop etymology	[05:28]
njstein	that has nothing to do with the quality of a person	[05:28]
danieldaniel	I'm gonna troll this guy had	[05:28]
danieldaniel	hard*	[05:28]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: atta boy	[05:28]
rawrmage	;;unrate paraipan	[05:28]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for paraipan.	[05:28]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: make his life living hell for someone else deleting your record	[05:28]
paraipan	;;unrate rawrmage	[05:28]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for rawrmage.	[05:28]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: its a phone call	[05:28]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: then you'll be really cool!	[05:28]
paraipan	thanks dude	[05:28]
copumpkin	I know	[05:29]
danieldaniel	how is it living hell??	[05:29]
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danieldaniel	im confuzzled	[05:29]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: he probably hates his job	[05:29]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: Well, fine	[05:29]
rawrmage	.ety murder	[05:29]
danieldaniel	ill br srs first	[05:29]
markac	"O.E. morðor (pl. morþras) 'secret killing of a person, unlawful killing,' also 'mortal sin, crime, punishment, torment, misery,' from P.Gmc. murthran (cf. Goth maurþr, O.Fris. morth, O.N. morð, M.Du. moort, Ger. Mord 'murder'). from PIE mrtro-, [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=murder	[05:29]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: lolwut	[05:29]
danieldaniel	be*	[05:29]
rawrmage	<+copumpkin> Staatsfeind: I remember reading somewhere that the murther -> murder transition happened due to the þ looking like a D	[05:29]
njstein	what are you trying to accomplish on the phone?	[05:29]
phantomcircuit	njstein, are you on your phone? or at work	[05:29]
njstein	no why?	[05:30]
phantomcircuit	leap wireless	[05:30]
njstein	3g usb card	[05:30]
phantomcircuit	ah	[05:30]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: Oh, that's interesting.	[05:30]
phantomcircuit	njstein, i was making a joke	[05:31]
copumpkin	Staatsfeind: it might still be false, but it sort of made sense :)	[05:31]
phantomcircuit	njstein, i do believe that you can classify people reasonably effectively, but not by race or economic status	[05:31]
Staatsfeind	.tr :en :de murder	[05:31]
markac	Staatsfeind: "Mord" (en to de, translate.google.com)	[05:31]
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njstein	yah but i'm not really in to judging people	[05:32]
danieldaniel	I have been on f***ing hold for 20 minutes	[05:32]
danieldaniel	with shitty elevator music	[05:32]
njstein	well way to call during regular business hours	[05:32]
copumpkin	Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful	[05:32]
mod6	thats the worst, because you can't not listen.	[05:32]
copumpkin	you don't just walk into mordor	[05:32]
evertonblair	like vrag	[05:32]
njstein	what are you trying to do anyways danieldaniel?	[05:33]
danieldaniel	get my account unbanned	[05:33]
njstein	why is it banned?	[05:33]
danieldaniel	idk	[05:33]
danieldaniel	someone hacked my account or something	[05:33]
danieldaniel	and hacked	[05:33]
copumpkin	this sounds like something twey would know	[05:33]
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copumpkin	since he is the master of the thorn	[05:34]
njstein	how do you even hack an account anyways	[05:34]
copumpkin	njstein: l33thax, duh	[05:34]
dwon	lol	[05:34]
njstein	you give out your password	[05:34]
njstein	and haxin on xbox? i thought there was only serious glitchin	[05:34]
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copumpkin	njstein: trust me, I'm a certified hax0r	[05:35]
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copumpkin	I know all about l33thax	[05:35]
copumpkin	[22:31:09] <@#64;bitcoinRT> Feb19 03:25:45 \| Bid: 4.25935 \| Ask: 4.27999 \| Last: 4.28634 \| Volume: 66600	[05:35]
njstein	bro i bet u r leik so gud at halo 1	[05:35]
copumpkin	oh shit	[05:35]
njstein	volume of the beast	[05:36]
copumpkin	njstein: nah, I rox0r ur s0x0rz at quake 1	[05:36]
danieldaniel	I'm about to scream	[05:36]
njstein	i was too busy playing mechwarrior 2 to get into quake	[05:36]
danieldaniel	this stupid fucking support	[05:36]
copumpkin	mechwarrior 2 was for llamas	[05:36]
copumpkin	real men played quake	[05:36]
danieldaniel	the prerecorded message has told me 5 times now	[05:36]
copumpkin	white men	[05:36]
danieldaniel	"Did you know that you can get support online"	[05:36]
danieldaniel	And I'm like	[05:36]
danieldaniel	YES I F***ING KNOW	[05:37]
rg	daniel its for people who dont attempt to try anything	[05:37]
rg	before calling up and complaining	[05:37]
danieldaniel	ok	[05:37]
danieldaniel	but 5 fricken times	[05:37]
danieldaniel	is a little over-the-top	[05:37]
rg	its a recording dude	[05:37]
njstein	i played the hell out of tribes 2 if that's any redemption	[05:37]
rg	what the fuck do you expect	[05:37]
rg	honestly	[05:37]
danieldaniel	i expect them to play it once	[05:37]
danieldaniel	and then play the shitty elevator music	[05:37]
njstein	hi i'm calling at 10;30 at night and expect my phone call to get answered immediately	[05:37]
rg	well they have to play it more than once cause idiots wont get it through their head	[05:37]
danieldaniel	oh, nevermind	[05:37]
rg	to google before the ycomplain	[05:38]
rg	i run a customer service oriented business	[05:38]
danieldaniel	now its some sort of spanish thing	[05:38]
rg	and NO ONE tries anything	[05:38]
rg	before complaining	[05:38]
danieldaniel	rg: that must suck	[05:38]
njstein	his gamer tag got banned yo	[05:38]
njstein	this is srs shit	[05:38]
danieldaniel	6 fing times	[05:38]
danieldaniel	holy crap	[05:38]
njstein	you think you would have learned after the first	[05:38]
danieldaniel	njstein: I don't really care	[05:38]
rg	no hello kity island adventure for daniel	[05:39]
rg	;<	[05:39]
danieldaniel	Now its this weird 80s song	[05:39]
danieldaniel	WTFFFF	[05:39]
njstein	and why are you coming into #bitcoin-otc to complain about it. post a facebook status or send a tweet	[05:39]
rg	wow this subtitle is in spanish	[05:39]
rg	i rarely get spanish subs	[05:39]
rg	generally swedish or german	[05:39]
rg	or dutch	[05:39]
Staatsfeind	Scat porn tends to be more targeted at Germanic audiences.	[05:40]
paraipan	the spanish ppl really have troubles getting to learn another language	[05:40]
paraipan	lul	[05:40]
rg	why the fuck would a porn have subtitles, markymark?	[05:40]
njstein	Staatsfeind: what do you mean more?	[05:40]
paraipan	hahaha	[05:40]
njstein	oh	[05:40]
njstein	tends	[05:41]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: Mexicans aren't any better. :þ	[05:41]
njstein	i thought you said needs	[05:41]
paraipan	wait untill you see a voice dubbed porn in spanish	[05:41]
Staatsfeind	njstein: lol	[05:41]
rg	im watching 310 to yuma	[05:41]
Staatsfeind	Fuck that shit.	[05:41]
paraipan	they dub the uh oh ahhh	[05:41]
paraipan	and all that	[05:41]
rg	i dont know who i like better	[05:41]
rg	russel crowe or christian bale	[05:41]
danieldaniel	8 times	[05:42]
rg	val kilmer is my favorite actor	[05:42]
rg	of all time	[05:42]
rg	and i dont care if you disagree	[05:42]
Staatsfeind	What? Who would disagree that he's your favorite actor?	[05:42]
rg	Cunth!!!	[05:42]
paraipan	lol Staatsfeind hope to have the money and travel that far some day	[05:42]
rg	i dont like movies where animals die	[05:43]
rg	and a cow just died in the movie	[05:43]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: Dude, you don't want to go there. México's dirty.	[05:43]
rg	racist	[05:43]
paraipan	meh depends on what you're there for	[05:43]
rg	spewing your hate propaganda as usual	[05:43]
paraipan	spain is dirty too	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	<< has been to mexico, is notdirty.	[05:44]
paraipan	more than you think	[05:44]
rg	so is america	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	in fact, its cleaner than most of the us.	[05:44]
rg	new york is a dingy scum hole	[05:44]
rg	youd be lucky to find a street in new york as clean as mexico	[05:44]
njstein	mircea_popescu: unless you count the government	[05:44]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: I wouldn't recommend most of the U.S., either.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	the only reason it looks dirty to northerners is that they go to like baja, where they run into... more northerners	[05:44]
rg	ok guns time	[05:44]
rg	bbl	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	njstein well the govt, i was being literal	[05:44]
njstein	;	[05:45]
Staatsfeind	(I've never actually been to México; I was just messing with you.)	[05:45]
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njstein	i made a joke	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	i have a hot button cause ppl were o, you're going to mexico ? carry tp	[05:45]
Staatsfeind	I would recommend not going to California, though.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	and once there... dude, they had nice, clean and furnished bathrooms in bus stops	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	UNLIKE the greyhound stops in southern us lemme tell you.	[05:45]
Staatsfeind	lol, that's because in the U.S., only the really poor take Greyhound.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	hey, the us is the us	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	as it is.	[05:46]
Staatsfeind	Poor people are disgusting.	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	people in general are disgusting	[05:46]
mircea_popescu	the exact methods they employ vary	[05:47]
paraipan	until you get to live with them and know their are nice	[05:47]
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mircea_popescu	...	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	i lived there dood.	[05:47]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: in general?	[05:48]
Staatsfeind	I've never been to general.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	haha , there actualy exists a General	[05:48]
Staatsfeind	I'm sure there are several.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	but no, i meant mx.	[05:50]
Staatsfeind	.tr :en :de to murder	[05:50]
markac	Staatsfeind: "Beihilfe zum Mord" (en to de, translate.google.com)	[05:50]
Staatsfeind	That's not an infinitive!	[05:50]
Staatsfeind	.tr :en :de He wants to murder her.	[05:51]
markac	Staatsfeind: "Er möchte sie zu ermorden." (en to de, translate.google.com)	[05:51]
evertonblair	;;sell 102 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of http://www.thelimited.com/ egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable.	[05:51]
rawrmage	you don't fucking learn	[05:51]
rawrmage	do you	[05:51]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to Staatsfeind	[05:51]
danieldaniel	god damnit	[05:51]
*	Staatsfeind sets ban on !@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.149.209.166$#bitcoin-dungeon	[05:51]
MILF	i don't think he's gonna ever pawn those giftcards off	[05:52]
*	Staatsfeind has kicked evertonblair from #bitcoin-otc (evertonblair)	[05:52]
rawrmage	#bitcoin-dungeon? lol nice	[05:52]
phantomcircuit	Staatsfeind, ?	[05:52]
Staatsfeind	phantomcircuit: A ban evader	[05:52]
phantomcircuit	oh	[05:52]
MILF	lol	[05:52]
rawrmage	MILF: not here, at least!	[05:53]
MILF	yeah, i looked at the website once just out of curiousity	[05:53]
MILF	it's like women's clothing	[05:53]
MILF	:/	[05:53]
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rawrmage	uzyn: .sg? nice	[05:57]
rawrmage	MILF: hey, you never know.	[05:58]
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paraipan	hey guys	[05:58]
paraipan	what do you think about this one http://i.imgur.com/m8QlK.png ?	[05:58]
MILF	rawrmage, yeah i suppose so....but in a room that's primarily filled with guys (or at least so i'd guess)	[05:58]
MILF	it's not a very good place to try and pawn it off.	[05:58]
paraipan	what i'm supposed to do now...	[05:58]
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copumpkin	paraipan: what about it?	[05:59]
paraipan	you saw the image ?	[05:59]
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copumpkin	it's a bank account	[05:59]
paraipan	trans ref...	[05:59]
copumpkin	and?	[05:59]
paraipan	he is using my nick as a reference	[05:59]
rawrmage	yea?	[06:00]
paraipan	http://i.imgur.com/m8QlK.png	[06:00]
paraipan	i just saw it by mistake	[06:00]
copumpkin	you worried about people depositing funds into your account?	[06:00]
paraipan	couldn't believe my eyes	[06:01]
paraipan	is not my account	[06:01]
zordilorp	schwab let me create a checking account online	[06:01]
paraipan	i live in spain	[06:01]
copumpkin	huh	[06:01]
copumpkin	I don't understand what you're surprised by	[06:01]
paraipan	and my name isn't Zhou Tong	[06:01]
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pigeons	wtf is this guy on	[06:01]
*	copumpkin facepalms	[06:01]
paraipan	imagine copumpkin as reference then	[06:01]
copumpkin	paraipan: uhh	[06:02]
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paraipan	it's as real as it gets	[06:02]
copumpkin	paraipan: can you explain what you're seeing there?	[06:02]
rawrmage	i'm confused	[06:02]
paraipan	this guy is using my nick as a reference with his service	[06:02]
copumpkin	lol	[06:02]
paraipan	dunno what he tryes to do by that	[06:02]
paraipan	tries*	[06:02]
copumpkin	"Transaction Reference: copumpkin (Important!)"	[06:03]
pigeons	paraipan: where did you get that image?	[06:03]
rawrmage	to tie your deposit to your account?	[06:03]
copumpkin	omg	[06:03]
copumpkin	HE IS USING MY NAME	[06:03]
rawrmage	so he knows whose account to credit??	[06:03]
paraipan	on bitcoinica	[06:03]
copumpkin	paraipan: are you serious?	[06:03]
pigeons	from your account?	[06:03]
paraipan	i made an account when he oppened	[06:03]
paraipan	yes pigeons	[06:03]
pigeons	with nick of paraipan?	[06:03]
copumpkin	paraipan: my mind is seriously blown	[06:04]
paraipan	i know	[06:04]
paraipan	mine too	[06:04]
paraipan	:O	[06:04]
copumpkin	paraipan: so if you were operating a business	[06:04]
copumpkin	and wanted to accept deposits to a bank account for account-holders of your business	[06:05]
copumpkin	how would you differentiate between account-holders?	[06:05]
paraipan	pits me	[06:05]
copumpkin	say I send to your bank account and rawrmage sent to your bank account	[06:05]
paraipan	lol	[06:05]
paraipan	now i get it	[06:06]
rawrmage	...lol	[06:06]
paraipan	it different for every user	[06:06]
paraipan	maybe i should get to sleep	[06:06]
*	copumpkin pulls out the futurama fry	[06:06]
paraipan	lawl	[06:06]
copumpkin	"not sure if"	[06:06]
paraipan	:)	[06:06]
pigeons	:)	[06:06]
copumpkin	http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5044/5269558397_64406aeb94_z.jpg	[06:06]
paraipan	thanks guys	[06:06]
paraipan	i was starting to see things	[06:07]
paraipan	:)	[06:07]
rawrmage	copumpkin: why is he at hogwarts in that picture	[06:07]
copumpkin	:)	[06:08]
copumpkin	dunno	[06:08]
copumpkin	cause hogwarts is awesome?	[06:08]
rawrmage	lol	[06:08]
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copumpkin	I wonder	[06:10]
copumpkin	does the rain in spain	[06:10]
copumpkin	fall mainly in the plain?	[06:10]
gfinn	yes	[06:11]
*	gribble gives voice to uzyn	[06:12]
zordilorp	apply online -> download this pdf and mail it to us! wtf	[06:12]
Staatsfeind	zordilorp: Laws are stupid but that's the kind of thing they require.	[06:13]
danieldaniel	omg	[06:13]
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Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Please don't use my real name in vain.	[06:13]
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zordilorp	its cool.. lots of banks do it fully online	[06:13]
zordilorp	schwab was one	[06:14]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind:	[06:14]
rawrmage	lol	[06:14]
zordilorp	other lame banks are like "dude heres a buttload of pdfs, why dont you fill it out and well maybe approve you"	[06:14]
danieldaniel	zordilorp: use td bank	[06:15]
danieldaniel	they didn't make me do that	[06:15]
danieldaniel	although	[06:15]
zordilorp	cool	[06:15]
danieldaniel	they suck	[06:15]
Staatsfeind	My main bank account right now, I opened it online, but I couldn't withdraw it until they received a signature card in the mail. :/	[06:15]
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Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: lol	[06:15]
danieldaniel	didn't do that with me	[06:15]
danieldaniel	also	[06:15]
danieldaniel	etrad	[06:15]
danieldaniel	etrade*	[06:15]
zordilorp	danieldaniel: the good thing about them is they can give you a new atm card inside the branch if you need a replacement	[06:15]
Staatsfeind	That's because they're Canuckistani.	[06:15]
*	PaulZagzzzzzzzz is now known as paulzag	[06:15]
danieldaniel	Thats as good as a checking account	[06:15]
danieldaniel	zordilorp: I know, i did that once	[06:15]
Staatsfeind	zordilorp: Oh, that's fucking cool.	[06:15]
jjjrmy-m	danieldaniel: long time no see	[06:16]
zordilorp	does etrade give you a debit card?	[06:16]
danieldaniel	jjjrmy-m: not reall	[06:16]
danieldaniel	really*	[06:16]
danieldaniel	zordilorp: yes	[06:16]
zordilorp	kewl	[06:16]
danieldaniel	in the mail	[06:16]
jjjrmy-m	danieldaniel: I haven't seen you in a while	[06:16]
danieldaniel	jjjrmy-m: D;	[06:16]
zordilorp	fuck the banks.. but i need to have an atm card	[06:16]
danieldaniel	Ive been on this support call for an hour	[06:16]
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jjjrmy-m	danieldaniel: for what?	[06:16]
danieldaniel	xbox live	[06:17]
jjjrmy-m	danieldaniel: pff	[06:17]
paulzag	;;ident paulzag	[06:19]
gribble	Nick 'paulzag', with hostmask 'paulzag!paulzag@#64;paulzag.wealthesteem.org', is identified as user paulzag, with GPG key id D2E53C8106D2F48F, and key fingerprint F36D4740261B6E12B48DC67BD2E53C8106D2F48F.	[06:19]
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luke-jr	extra extra, theymos says working with rg is a pain!	[06:23]
luke-jr	[23:22:10] I used to use U-Verse. Working around the RG was a real pain.	[06:23]
luke-jr	<.<	[06:23]
paulzag	;;ticker	[06:24]
gribble	Best bid: 4.281, Best ask: 4.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.019, Last trade: 4.299, 24 hour volume: 66430, 24 hour low: 4.12, 24 hour high: 4.49675	[06:24]
Staatsfeind	luke-jr: Don't be a dick.	[06:24]
luke-jr	Staatsfeind: no u	[06:24]
luke-jr	Staatsfeind: why does #bitcoin-onepercent redirect me to 99percent now?	[06:24]
copumpkin	lol	[06:24]
rawrmage	lol	[06:25]
Staatsfeind	luke-jr: Because it's funny.	[06:25]
danieldaniel	FUCK you xbox live	[06:25]
Cory	luke-jr: That's where we keep plebs like you.	[06:26]
luke-jr	Cory: no u	[06:26]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Did you try /joining #bitcoin-onepercent or #bitcoin-99percent?	[06:26]
danieldaniel	one	[06:26]
danieldaniel	I did	[06:26]
*	gribble gives voice to someguy	[06:26]
danieldaniel	someguy	[06:26]
danieldaniel	pm me pl0x	[06:26]
danieldaniel	I'm too lazy to click on ur name	[06:27]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: You did what?	[06:27]
danieldaniel	kthx	[06:27]
danieldaniel	i joined onepercent	[06:27]
Staatsfeind	23:27 -!- danieldaniel [~danieldan@#64;unaffiliated/danieldaniel] has joined #bitcoin-99percent	[06:27]
danieldaniel	i did it b4 2	[06:27]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: You were forwarded to -99percent.	[06:27]
danieldaniel	i know	[06:27]
*	someguy is now known as Someguy123	[06:27]
luke-jr	percents are so absurd anyway	[06:28]
luke-jr	why would anyone work in hundredths?	[06:28]
rawrmage	10‰	[06:29]
rawrmage	bitcoin-10permille	[06:29]
luke-jr	128ths would be much more sane	[06:29]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: sound good to you?	[06:29]
Staatsfeind	lol	[06:29]
Cory	luke-jr: It's way harder to estimate the percent a value is of 128!	[06:30]
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Staatsfeind	‰ is much nicer than %.	[06:30]
luke-jr	or 256ths to make it a round san	[06:30]
luke-jr	Cory: well, you don't use it for estimates then :P	[06:30]
Staatsfeind	n² is stupid.	[06:30]
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copumpkin	cube is better, yeah	[06:30]
copumpkin	case in point: timecube	[06:30]
luke-jr	if you need estimates, use 16ths	[06:30]
copumpkin	http://www.timecube.com/	[06:30]
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danieldaniel_	Someguy123: there… you happy now?	[06:31]
danieldaniel_	;;eauth danieldaniel	[06:31]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: Not what I was talking about, but OK. ;)	[06:31]
*	gribble gives voice to danieldaniel_	[06:31]
copumpkin	in Haskell, I can make !$@#64;# an operator	[06:32]
copumpkin	that is real ultimate power	[06:33]
unclemantis	anyone here know how much it would cost to hire a miner to generate a vanity onion name?	[06:33]
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danieldaniel_	unclemantis: what do you want it to be?	[06:34]
dwon	unclemantis: Well, you'd have to trust the miner, since he'd have a copy of your private key when you're done.	[06:34]
dwon	I think	[06:34]
danieldaniel_	unclemantis: I can rent a dedicated server for a couple house	[06:35]
danieldaniel_	house*	[06:35]
danieldaniel_	hours*	[06:35]
danieldaniel_	and give you login info	[06:35]
danieldaniel_	and you can do it on that	[06:35]
unclemantis	does it have GPU?	[06:35]
splatster	I still have $22.65 PPUSD for sale	[06:35]
splatster	Any takers?	[06:35]
copumpkin	that's an odd way of phrasing it, splatster	[06:36]
danieldaniel_	unclemantis: no, but a srsly good cpu	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	also	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	its like $2	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	so you won't lose much	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	:P	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	also, keep in mind that your not mining for a block	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	lol	[06:37]
danieldaniel_	copumpkin: ikr	[06:37]
unclemantis	i am asking for a new friend	[06:37]
unclemantis	he will pm you if interested	[06:37]
splatster	copumpkin: How?	[06:37]
BTCHero	what are all these - ratings about reporting bitcoinica?	[06:37]
copumpkin	splatster: taking a good that nobody ever wants around here and making it sound as if it's in limited supply and that people want to buy it :P	[06:37]
splatster	uhg	[06:38]
splatster	Well I was able to sell most of what I had.	[06:38]
copumpkin	amazing!	[06:38]
splatster	I know, right?	[06:38]
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danieldaniel	wtf	[06:39]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[06:39]
danieldaniel	there	[06:39]
dwon	copumpkin: splatster's just a good salesman	[06:39]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: I can do it for free	[06:39]
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splatster	dwon: I'm flattered.	[06:39]
splatster	danieldaniel: Pong!	[06:40]
danieldaniel_	;;ping	[06:40]
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gribble	pong	[06:40]
danieldaniel	lol	[06:40]
danieldaniel	that was my old username	[06:40]
danieldaniel	before I failed	[06:40]
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danieldaniel	;;ping	[06:41]
splatster	danieldaniel: gribble hates you	[06:42]
Staatsfeind	;;ping	[06:42]
danieldaniel	;;ping ;;ping	[06:42]
Staatsfeind	gribble: Fuck you.	[06:42]
splatster	;ping	[06:42]
danieldaniel	;;roulette	[06:42]
splatster	;;ping	[06:42]
gribble	pong	[06:42]
danieldaniel	aww	[06:42]
Staatsfeind	;;eauth vragnaroda	[06:42]
splatster	YAY!	[06:42]
splatster	YAY!	[06:42]
danieldaniel	he's pm'ing it to me	[06:42]
danieldaniel	wtf	[06:42]
splatster	;;ping	[06:42]
gribble	pong	[06:42]
danieldaniel	splatster: fuuuuu	[06:42]
a5m0	unclemantis, i'd be willing to mine a name for you	[06:42]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[06:42]
danieldaniel	gribble: pong	[06:42]
smickles	; ,,ping ,,ping	[06:42]
gribble	pong	[06:42]
gribble	pong	[06:42]
splatster	danieldaniel: You have to auth	[06:42]
rawrmage	;;ping	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
dwon	pongv6	[06:43]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: ill do it for free	[06:43]
a5m0	cause i'd like to figure out how to do it for myself too	[06:43]
danieldaniel	;;eauth danieldaniel	[06:43]
splatster	AHHH!	[06:43]
smickles	damn this guy is good at ping poing	[06:43]
splatster	ping pong spam!	[06:43]
rawrmage	;;pong	[06:43]
gribble	ping	[06:43]
danieldaniel	a5m0: theres this program	[06:43]
*	gribble gives voice to danieldaniel	[06:43]
smickles	,,ping ,,ping,,ping ,,ping,,ping ,,ping,,ping ,,ping,,ping ,,ping	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
a5m0	lol obviously	[06:43]
Staatsfeind	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aa651f0752b17fcb5358ddfbad6b11092060aed76da82974ef77bb6c	[06:43]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user vragnaroda with key B594FD658613B519	[06:43]
danieldaniel	LOL	[06:43]
Staatsfeind	;;ping	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
danieldaniel	oh shit	[06:43]
danieldaniel	kicking tiem	[06:43]
rawrmage	;;ding	[06:43]
rawrmage	:(	[06:43]
smickles	,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:43]
gribble	pong	[06:44]
gribble	pong	[06:44]
gribble	pong	[06:44]
smickles	lol	[06:44]
rawrmage	o.O	[06:44]
smickles	i'll stop now	[06:44]
*	Staatsfeind has kicked smickles from #bitcoin-otc (Knock that the fuck off.)	[06:44]
danieldaniel	I knew it!	[06:44]
rawrmage	lol	[06:44]
pingdrive	lol	[06:44]
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*	dwon is listening to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhcv7f-gTD4	[06:44]
splatster	I am physcic!	[06:44]
rawrmage	;;bing	[06:44]
gribble	I do not know about 'bing', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bps'	[06:44]
rawrmage	;;bps	[06:44]
gribble	Source code to gribble's bitcoin-related plugins: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor	[06:44]
rawrmage	oh cool	[06:44]
danieldaniel	dwon: lol	[06:45]
Staatsfeind	It would be cool but it's in Python. :þ	[06:45]
pingdrive	splatster, oh yeh? whats the price of btc going to be like tmr?	[06:45]
paulzag	;;bc	[06:45]
danieldaniel	unclemantis: what are you looking for?	[06:46]
danieldaniel	what vanity name?	[06:46]
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smickles	<.<	[06:46]
smickles	i've never been kicked before :o	[06:47]
smickles	i thought you all just stopped talking	[06:47]
danieldaniel	LOL	[06:47]
Staatsfeind	I have /fuckyouall aliased to /kick !@#64;*	[06:48]
danieldaniel	lol	[06:48]
smickles	heh, ever do it?	[06:48]
AcidicChip	I didn't know you could kick via mask, lol	[06:48]
AcidicChip	Learn something new every day	[06:48]
Staatsfeind	I'm joking. ;)	[06:48]
AcidicChip	Oh, LOL	[06:48]
splatster	try it out in -foyer	[06:48]
danieldaniel	its funny because	[06:49]
splatster	oh	[06:49]
splatster	damn	[06:49]
danieldaniel	you probably arent	[06:49]
Staatsfeind	Even if the protocol doesn't support it, it seems like something a sensible client would allow, though.	[06:49]
AcidicChip	The client itself would prolly have to do the lookups, etc.	[06:49]
AcidicChip	Or just recognize the mask means all, and just kick everyone	[06:49]
splatster	I want to see if this is a gribble command:	[06:50]
splatster	;;"bing" is not a valid command. What the hell did you expect would happen? Are you retarded? Next thing I know, you'll try ;;"retarded" only to realize that "retarded"	[06:50]
splatster	damn	[06:50]
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splatster	[9:50 PM] Error: "bing" is not a valid command. What the hell did you expect would happen? Are you retarded? Next thing I know, you'll try ;;" is not a valid command.	[06:50]
splatster	damnit	[06:50]
splatster	almost got it	[06:50]
smickles	;;voiceme	[06:51]
*	gribble gives voice to smickles	[06:51]
smickles	:D	[06:51]
*	Staatsfeind removes voice from smickles	[06:52]
smickles	lol	[06:52]
Staatsfeind	:þ	[06:52]
splatster	[9:52 PM] Error: "bing" is not a valid command. What the hell did you expect would happen? Are you retarded? Next thing I know, you'll try ";;retarded" only to realize that "retarded" is not a valid command.	[06:52]
*	AcidicChip sets mode: -o+o Staatsfeind AcidicChip	[06:52]
Staatsfeind	lol	[06:53]
AcidicChip	:P	[06:53]
splatster	Staatsfeind: You should try using /kick !@#64;* on -foyer	[06:53]
copumpkin	AcidicChip: gotta make sure not to kick yourself before everyone else	[06:53]
Staatsfeind	splatster: No, it doesn't work in my client.	[06:54]
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AcidicChip	copumpkin: Re the kickall alias? True	[06:54]
splatster	aww	[06:54]
splatster	You should OP me in some test channel to see if it will work	[06:54]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: Have you ever looked at ii (the IRC client)?	[06:54]
paulzag	;;bc,next	[06:54]
AcidicChip	splatster, I'm pretty sure kick won't accept a hostmask	[06:54]
Cory	gribble should have a bounty for kicking everybody in here. It would encourage donations. :P	[06:54]
AcidicChip	Unless you script it into the client	[06:54]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: It seems nerdy enough that you may have. :þ	[06:55]
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Staatsfeind	copumpkin: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/	[06:55]
splatster	everyone join #kicktestchannel so we can test out stupid shit in different clients	[06:55]
AcidicChip	I remember a LONg time ago, I scripted my mIRC to accept voice commands with Microsoft Agent, lol... I could join, part, activate channels/msg... I had so much free time back then	[06:56]
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copumpkin	Staatsfeind: nope :P	[06:58]
copumpkin	yoi	[06:58]
charlierlee	;;gpg eauth charlierlee	[06:58]
copumpkin	oh wow	[06:58]
copumpkin	Staatsfeind: I described this thing a few years ago	[06:58]
Staatsfeind	Did you just look at it?	[06:59]
copumpkin	yeah	[06:59]
copumpkin	cute :)	[06:59]
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danieldaniel	unclemantis: you here?	[07:00]
splatster	nanotube: How do I get gribble to join a channel of mine?	[07:01]
Staatsfeind	splatster: You suck his dick.	[07:02]
splatster	Not really feeling it right now	[07:02]
danieldaniel	welp	[07:03]
danieldaniel	anyone need a vanity address?	[07:03]
danieldaniel	I rented this server for the hour	[07:03]
danieldaniel	so anyone need it?	[07:03]
danieldaniel	does anyone need a server with 48GB of ram and 2 quad code xeons?	[07:03]
danieldaniel	for like an hour or two?	[07:03]
danieldaniel	its free for an hour	[07:04]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[07:05]
gribble	pong	[07:05]
danieldaniel	y u all so quiet	[07:05]
*	Staatsfeind smacks danieldaniel.	[07:05]
danieldaniel	?	[07:05]
danieldaniel	nobody wants it??	[07:06]
danieldaniel	its free...	[07:06]
smickles	me!	[07:07]
danieldaniel	ok	[07:07]
danieldaniel	well, don't do anything illegal pl0	[07:07]
danieldaniel	pl0x	[07:07]
smickles	oh shit,	[07:07]
smickles	nvm	[07:08]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:08]
smickles	i have to go to bed	[07:08]
danieldaniel	cya	[07:08]
smickles	nn all	[07:08]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[07:11]
gribble	pong	[07:11]
danieldaniel	Y U SO SILENT	[07:11]
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danieldaniel	someguy: you here?	[07:14]
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someguy	danieldaniel no	[07:18]
someguy	wtf?	[07:18]
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Someguy123	my ZNC is trolling me	[07:18]
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danieldaniel	aww	[07:19]
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zordilorp	Print the application now yourself, sign it and return it to us.	[07:22]
zordilorp	ridiculous	[07:22]
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Someguy123	[05:03:43] <+danieldaniel> does anyone need a server with 48GB of ram and 2 quad code xeons?	[07:23]
nanotube	splatster: you ask me nicely :) what's your chan	[07:23]
Someguy123	i'll take it for free.	[07:23]
Someguy123	where'd you get it from o_O?	[07:24]
danieldaniel	Someguy123: thats what I meant	[07:24]
splatster	#kicktestchannel please :)	[07:24]
danieldaniel	but now I'm doing something with it	[07:24]
danieldaniel	:)	[07:24]
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Someguy123	[05:24:19] #kicktestchannel unable to join channel (invite only)	[07:24]
Someguy123	aww	[07:24]
splatster	wut?	[07:24]
Someguy123	also danieldaniel dual-quads are nothing	[07:25]
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Someguy123	I have a 12-core opteron :3	[07:25]
danieldaniel	it cost .60	[07:25]
danieldaniel	so idc	[07:25]
MBS	so you know how supposedly theres no way to remove stuff from gpg keyservers	[07:25]
nanotube	splatster: wtf is that? sounds like something i shouldn't bother gribble about. :)	[07:25]
splatster	oh haha	[07:26]
MBS	would be interesting to see what happened if someone put SSNs and CC# on gpg	[07:26]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:26]
splatster	I'm just screwing around	[07:26]
danieldaniel	wait	[07:26]
danieldaniel	oh crap	[07:26]
splatster	Someguy123: try joining	[07:27]
chsados	questoin: does bitcoinica charge fees for trades? like if i were to go 1:1 on bitcoinica would it be any different fee wise than on mtgox?	[07:27]
MBS	they have a higher spread	[07:27]
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chsados	by spread you mean the difference between the buy and sell price?	[07:28]
danieldaniel	LOL	[07:29]
danieldaniel	splatster: :)	[07:29]
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danieldaniel	umadbro?	[07:29]
danieldaniel	:(	[07:29]
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MBS	yeah	[07:30]
*	copumpkin hugs luke-jr	[07:30]
danieldaniel	anyone want to donate to 1pedoKESEnvK7Jx1ZLLy6ZT16XEfzYB5j	[07:30]
danieldaniel	:D	[07:31]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: do you hang out on street corners too?	[07:31]
danieldaniel	...	[07:31]
danieldaniel	no	[07:31]
MBS	anyone want to buy a dedicated server?	[07:31]
woofcat	danieldaniel, donate for what?	[07:31]
danieldaniel	look at the address	[07:31]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:31]
danieldaniel	1pedo	[07:31]
MBS	65 BTC for 1 year of an atom w/ 2GB ram from kimsufi	[07:31]
danieldaniel	doesn't kimsufi suck?	[07:31]
Staatsfeind	markac@#64;jove:~$ bitcoind sendtoaddress 1pedoKESEnvK7Jx1ZLLy6ZT16XEfzYB5j 0.00125	[07:32]
MBS	not really, just bandwidth outside of europe is meh	[07:32]
Staatsfeind	f5c5e3ee65207e537e384e3cb674dc8964d9d229eb278a20df14de86be07605d	[07:32]
danieldaniel	?	[07:32]
danieldaniel	wait	[07:32]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: It amused me.	[07:32]
luke-jr	Staatsfeind: how rude	[07:32]
danieldaniel	what is that?	[07:33]
Staatsfeind	luke-jr: Your presence was making some uncomfortable.	[07:33]
Staatsfeind	:þ	[07:33]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: what is that?	[07:33]
luke-jr	Staatsfeind: that's their problem	[07:33]
pirateat40	Can't risk leaks. :)	[07:34]
luke-jr	or does onepercent mean bottom 1% of humanity? ;p	[07:34]
pirateat40	We are union, we do not forget.... you know the rest.	[07:35]
splatster	Join #kicktestchannel to screw around kicking and banning people! YAY!	[07:36]
danieldaniel	op pl0x?	[07:36]
danieldaniel	iw ont do anything	[07:36]
danieldaniel	promise	[07:36]
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danieldaniel	sets ban on .**	[07:37]
danieldaniel	trololo	[07:37]
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Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: Did you like the topic in that channel?	[07:38]
danieldaniel	what topic	[07:38]
danieldaniel	in what channel	[07:38]
danieldaniel	:O	[07:38]
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copumpkin	danieldaniel: years from now, you'll be kicking yourself	[07:39]
danieldaniel	what?	[07:39]
danieldaniel	im confused	[07:39]
P3DigitalResourc	;;buy 10 btc via paypal USD @#64; {mtgoxlast}	[07:40]
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zordilorp	sup bro	[07:44]
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goldpunk	;;ticker	[07:45]
gribble	Best bid: 4.22, Best ask: 4.22099, Bid-ask spread: 0.00099, Last trade: 4.22099, 24 hour volume: 66829, 24 hour low: 4.12, 24 hour high: 4.47916	[07:45]
danieldaniel	this is SO worth 60 cents	[07:47]
danieldaniel	I got like 50 vanity addresses	[07:47]
danieldaniel	XD	[07:47]
danieldaniel	"pedo" "ohai" "omg" "fuck" "1337" "DESU"	[07:47]
danieldaniel	and Im getting "herp" and "derp"	[07:47]
BTCHero	60 cents?	[07:48]
danieldaniel	yeah	[07:48]
danieldaniel	i rented a dedicated server	[07:48]
danieldaniel	for an hour	[07:48]
BTCHero	oh	[07:48]
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splatster	Join #kicktestchannel A channel where non-assholes get OPed so they can do stupid shit	[07:50]
danieldaniel	do I count as a non asshole?	[07:50]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:50]
splatster	well, lets see	[07:51]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:51]
splatster	We'll have a vote	[07:51]
danieldaniel	no	[07:51]
danieldaniel	please dont	[07:51]
danieldaniel	lol	[07:51]
danieldaniel	Someguy123: pl0x say yay	[07:53]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel's not an asshole. He's a bit odd, though.	[07:53]
danieldaniel	vragnaroda's vote outweighs everyone elses	[07:53]
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splatster	vragnaroda: He keeps kicking and deoping everyone	[07:55]
splatster	he is being an ass in the channel	[07:55]
danieldaniel	i didn't deop anyone	[07:55]
splatster	power corrupts	[07:55]
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danieldaniel	i just kicked one person	[07:55]
splatster	Ya ME!	[07:55]
splatster	the channel owner	[07:55]
danieldaniel	no	[07:55]
danieldaniel	it was someguy	[07:55]
splatster	and me	[07:55]
danieldaniel	no	[07:55]
danieldaniel	i didn't kick you	[07:55]
danieldaniel	only someguy	[07:55]
danieldaniel	i did set a ban on . tho	[07:55]
danieldaniel	and I'm sorry	[07:55]
danieldaniel	:(	[07:55]
AcidicChip	I have 2x Torrid Gift Cards (USD30 & USD25) I'm getting rid of for 10.5btc (for both). Msg me if you're interrested.	[07:56]
vragnaroda	splatster: Sorry, was that not the purpose of the channel?	[07:57]
vragnaroda	I don't get it if that's supposed to be a complaint.	[07:57]
splatster	but he was repeatedly kicking the same person over and over and over	[07:57]
splatster	So I deopped and kicked	[07:58]
danieldaniel	how do you set the default rank on a channel?	[07:58]
danieldaniel	would you do access *?	[07:58]
vragnaroda	What do you mean?	[07:58]
splatster	He mean make chanserv auto op everyone	[07:58]
danieldaniel	yeah	[07:59]
vragnaroda	/msg ChanServ flags ##some-channel !@#64;* +O	[07:59]
vragnaroda	You have to register the channel to do that, though.	[07:59]
splatster	I did register it	[07:59]
danieldaniel	thanks	[07:59]
vragnaroda	#bitcoin-anarchy has the coolest access list.	[07:59]
vragnaroda	[00:59] - ChanServ- \| (ChanServ@#64;services.) 1 !@#64;* +voOtsriRA [modified 41 weeks, 2 days, 06:15:51 ago]	[07:59]
vragnaroda	[00:59] - ChanServ- \| (ChanServ@#64;services.) 2 freenode-staff +voOtsriRfAF [modified 41 weeks, 2 days, 06:13:31 ago]	[07:59]
danieldaniel	everyone join #funfunfun	[08:00]
danieldaniel	:D	[08:00]
danieldaniel	should I ban .?	[08:01]
danieldaniel	in anarchy?	[08:01]
danieldaniel	lolol	[08:01]
danieldaniel	#bitcoin-anarchy	[08:05]
danieldaniel	fail	[08:05]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: :p	[08:07]
a5m0	anyone selling hard drives?	[08:07]
Someguy123	vragnaroda get back in #bitcoin-otc	[08:07]
Someguy123	#bitcoin-anarchy*	[08:07]
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AcidicChip	Fawk man, btc needs to get out of this dip it's in.	[08:10]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: /msg ChanServ CLEAR #funfunfun USERS	[08:10]
danieldaniel	oh	[08:10]
danieldaniel	lol	[08:10]
vragnaroda	:)	[08:10]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[08:11]
gribble	pong	[08:11]
danieldaniel	i brokested it	[08:11]
splatster	#kicktestchannel now enables auto op and voice and clear!	[08:13]
danieldaniel	lol	[08:14]
danieldaniel	it banned e	[08:14]
danieldaniel	me*	[08:14]
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splatster	join #kicktestchannel and get access to auto op, kickban privelages, the chanserv clear command, and more!	[08:20]
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danieldaniel	anyone know how to fix hits?	[08:30]
danieldaniel	this*	[08:30]
danieldaniel	http://pastebin.com/Uyc9BzhH	[08:30]
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MBS	BTCHero, still interested in laptop hard drives	[08:36]
MBS	getting second ssd soon, so will soon have both the 120gb and now a 160gb 2.5" hdd for sale	[08:36]
MBS	would sell both for 14 BTC shipped	[08:38]
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danieldaniel_	LOL	[08:47]
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danieldaniel_	I just got a GIGAHASH OUT OF MY MAC	[08:47]
danieldaniel_	Holy fucking shit	[08:47]
splatster	Not possible	[08:48]
dwon	danieldaniel_: extrapolating again?	[08:48]
danieldaniel_	no	[08:48]
danieldaniel_	i swear to god	[08:48]
danieldaniel_	but its laggy as fuck	[08:48]
danieldaniel_	its like going up and down	[08:48]
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danieldaniel_	ranging from 600-1000 mh	[08:49]
danieldaniel_	well. up to 1300	[08:49]
danieldaniel_	let me take a vid	[08:49]
dwon	something tells me that whatever your mac is using to measure time is fscked	[08:49]
danieldaniel_	idk	[08:49]
danieldaniel_	how do I check	[08:49]
dwon	Best way would be to see how frequently you find blocks.	[08:50]
danieldaniel_	its pooled mining	[08:50]
danieldaniel_	i haven't found any	[08:51]
danieldaniel_	:(	[08:51]
danieldaniel_	i can barely type right now splatster	[08:51]
danieldaniel_	its laggy as ffff	[08:51]
danieldaniel_	whats before and whats after the /	[08:53]
danieldaniel_	both of them are around 1000	[08:53]
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dwon	It's probably the lag that's causing you to get bogus numbers. If your video card is going 100 MH/s, but your mining process gets starved for CPU, it might report that, over 10 seconds, you lagged for 9.5 seconds, then suddenly had 2000 MH/s.	[08:54]
danieldaniel_	but its constant	[08:54]
dwon	No stock Mac can do anywhere near 1000 MH/s.	[08:54]
danieldaniel_	its a 6970	[08:54]
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danieldaniel_	isn't that good?	[08:55]
dwon	it's not constant: you said your machine is laggy	[08:55]
danieldaniel_	no, now it is	[08:55]
NASDAQEnema	if the lag is constant it will be constant	[08:55]
danieldaniel_	tue	[08:55]
danieldaniel_	lol	[08:55]
danieldaniel_	y u lag s much computer	[08:55]
NASDAQEnema	Mac to danieldaniel_: the longer you wait the more you want to lick my interface	[08:56]
Mafeki	http://team.forsvarsmakten.se/english/#/private/SAUT3U5jhg	[08:58]
splatster	Join #kicktestchannel, the channel where everyone is auto OPed, gets access to kick/ban, is allowed to use the ChanServ CLEAR command, and more!	[08:59]
splatster	maybe I should rename it...	[08:59]
danieldaniel_	wtf	[09:01]
danieldaniel_	it won't connect to gpumax	[09:01]
danieldaniel_	:(	[09:01]
dwon	danieldaniel_: According to this, a 6970 should get ~ 397 MH/s: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison	[09:03]
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danieldaniel_	lol	[09:03]
danieldaniel_	then yeah	[09:03]
danieldaniel_	its bokested	[09:03]
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danieldaniel_	broksted*	[09:03]
dwon	397 MH/s actually isn't too shabby. I'm only getting ~ 26 MH/s on my machine	[09:04]
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zordilorp	brostork	[09:11]
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NASDAQEnema	ok I have a new idea	[09:14]
NASDAQEnema	who wants to buy filesharing service in BTC?	[09:15]
danieldaniel_	there are 596397846598 of those	[09:15]
danieldaniel_	oh	[09:15]
danieldaniel_	nvm	[09:15]
NASDAQEnema	I pay in dollars and you pay me in BTC	[09:16]
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NASDAQEnema	anyone?	[09:17]
NASDAQEnema	noone?	[09:17]
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danieldaniel_	you know what?	[09:21]
danieldaniel_	someone should get one of these	[09:22]
shades	chicken butt?	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	http://www.peer1.com/hosting/gpu-private-cloud.php	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	and test it out	[09:22]
NASDAQEnema	um	[09:22]
shades	sounds like /someone/ just volunteered ;)	[09:22]
weex	probably nvidia	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	oh	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	they are	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	nvm	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	XD	[09:22]
shades	I'm willing to test FPGA-cloud	[09:22]
danieldaniel_	fpga cloud?	[09:23]
danieldaniel_	whats that	[09:23]
*	shades signs up && everyones lights in that colos neighborhood dim just a little	[09:23]
danieldaniel_	link? D:	[09:23]
shades	danieldaniel_: it's like gpucloud, except fpgas	[09:23]
danieldaniel_	link? :D	[09:23]
shades	idk that it exists, it's a conceptual idea I just came up with	[09:23]
weex	danieldaniel_: actually i contacted those guys and they were interested to know what bitcoins were	[09:23]
*	shades runs to the patent office	[09:23]
danieldaniel_	oh	[09:23]
danieldaniel_	weex: lol	[09:23]
shades	patent pending!!	[09:23]
weex	thing is danieldaniel_ they didn't seem interested in getting ati hardware, we agreed to talk more later ;)	[09:24]
danieldaniel_	lol	[09:24]
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weex	wonder where the cheapest electricity on the planet is	[09:25]
zordilorp	iceland	[09:25]
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weex	Iceland - Bitcoin's new security guard	[09:26]
shades	idk I thought electricity was cheap in china	[09:26]
Bigpiggy01Mining	Power is cheaphere	[09:26]
weex	shades: i think that's labor	[09:26]
weex	also human life	[09:26]
Bigpiggy01Mining	but there are places that have it much cheaper	[09:26]
shades	i was talking w/ someone who is paid $1,100 usd a week to use their setup which costs them $440/mo to run	[09:27]
danieldaniel_	hmm	[09:27]
danieldaniel_	http://www.vpssurf.com/custom-gpu-hosting/	[09:27]
danieldaniel_	shades: lolwut	[09:27]
Bigpiggy01Mining	shades you talking to dISh ?	[09:27]
shades	yeah	[09:27]
shades	er	[09:27]
Bigpiggy01Mining	as he and I have a couple of contracts like that	[09:28]
shades	i was just mentioning	[09:28]
shades	I forgot the guys exact handle	[09:28]
shades	it might have been you but I don't think the sn was exactly the same	[09:28]
Bigpiggy01Mining	probably him	[09:28]
shades	last we spoke he had children to take care of, starving mouths	[09:28]
Bigpiggy01Mining	not me	[09:28]
shades	if you don't have children it's probably not you lol	[09:28]
Bigpiggy01Mining	I have kids as well	[09:28]
zordilorp	iceland has geothermal and hydro in abundance.. you can just drill down anywhere to get geothermal, which is generally a cheaper energy source than coal	[09:28]
shades	everyone and their children	[09:28]
Bigpiggy01Mining	but they;re far from starving	[09:28]
shades	lol	[09:29]
shades	they were just starving at the time, which is why he had to go make dinner	[09:29]
shades	Bigpiggy01Mining: do you also solder gpus that fail, etc?	[09:29]
danieldaniel_	;;ident	[09:29]
zordilorp	of course a thermal solar plant in the middle of the desert would be pretty good too	[09:29]
danieldaniel_	;;eauth danieldaniel	[09:30]
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shades	zordilorp: except for cooling....	[09:31]
shades	unless you want the solder to just melt right off the board	[09:32]
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spawn-	i got amazon + BTC i need PPUSD or LRUSD anyone? just pm me	[09:42]
danieldaniel_	;;ident	[09:43]
gribble	You are identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[09:43]
phraust	weeee!	[09:44]
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zordilorp	mangh'	[09:51]
danieldaniel_	i is bored	[09:52]
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goldpunk	;;ticker	[09:57]
gribble	Best bid: 4.2312, Best ask: 4.235, Bid-ask spread: 0.0038, Last trade: 4.235, 24 hour volume: 61878, 24 hour low: 4.12, 24 hour high: 4.43599	[09:57]
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spawn-	;;seen seco	[10:00]
gribble	seco was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: maybe one if your past trades mentioned someonwhere on a little memo "ty for btcs" :x	[10:00]
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bandu	;;guide	[10:17]
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danieldaniel_	omgeh	[10:25]
danieldaniel_	copumpehkin	[10:25]
chsados	has anyone put together a pamplet already for people to solicit bitcoin? i seem to remember there was a thread doing just that	[10:27]
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squirrelz	hows it going channel?	[10:32]
danieldaniel_	horrible	[10:35]
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bandu	oh, i'm allowed to speak? iirc, the last time i was in here, i had to earn voice via gnupg or something.	[10:41]
bandu	i'm glad i can speak. how's everyone doing?	[10:41]
bandu	danieldaniel_: awww	[10:42]
bandu	i hope you feel better, danieldaniel_	[10:42]
danieldaniel_	bandu: I'm just horrible right now because I can't fall asleep	[10:42]
danieldaniel_	lol	[10:42]
danieldaniel_	and how long ago were you here?	[10:42]
bandu	awww..	[10:43]
bandu	i've been here before under this registered nickname. just havent been active in awhle	[10:43]
NASDAQEnema	;;orders	[10:43]
bandu	mostly lurking quietly	[10:43]
danieldaniel_	cool	[10:44]
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bandu	so yeah. bitcoin is really freaking awesome!	[10:44]
NASDAQEnema	;;commands	[10:44]
danieldaniel_	bandu: I noticed	[10:44]
danieldaniel_	:)	[10:44]
bandu	;3	[10:44]
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bandu	well, i was actually considering a career in finance, and i'd specialize in banking bitcoins, just because i think they have that much potential.	[10:45]
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bandu	but in the end, i decided on organic chemistry, because i love working in the lab. doesnt mean i dont still love bitcoins, though	[10:45]
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danieldaniel_	that would have been a pretty serious commitment	[10:46]
bandu	yup.	[10:46]
NASDAQEnema	how do I check the orderbook	[10:46]
bandu	bitcoin seriously has that much importance in my eyes.	[10:46]
bandu	when bitcoin is finally broken, we'll just invest in the new bitcoin, and the bitcoin after that.	[10:46]
danieldaniel_	NASDAQEnema: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php	[10:46]
danieldaniel_	:)	[10:46]
bandu	we just keep evolving.	[10:46]
Cory	Bitcoin can be changed.	[10:47]
bandu	hello cory, good evening.	[10:47]
danieldaniel_	bandu: morning*	[10:47]
bandu	:D	[10:47]
bandu	i've always wanted to say howdy on this particular channel	[10:47]
bandu	odd that it would be now of all times.	[10:47]
phraust	:O	[10:48]
danieldaniel_	phraust: ?	[10:48]
*	phraust shrugs.	[10:48]
phraust	nuthin'.	[10:48]
danieldaniel_	sooo	[10:48]
Someguy123	bandu the new bitcoin... litecoin	[10:48]
phraust	got that mac mini.	[10:48]
phraust	berry nice.	[10:48]
bandu	anyway, my friend, squirrelz, here, is interested in purchasing some bitcoins using a moneypak. he has an urgent needfor bitcoins, so.. do you have any advice for my firned?	[10:48]
Someguy123	and if thats dead... scamcoin	[10:48]
danieldaniel_	does anyone want a server for really cheap + shipping?	[10:48]
squirrelz	:D thanks bandu	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: scamcoin?	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	lolwut	[10:49]
bandu	Someguy123: interesting.	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	squirrelz: how much is the mp?	[10:49]
mod6	;; ticker	[10:49]
gribble	Best bid: 4.20132, Best ask: 4.22, Bid-ask spread: 0.01868, Last trade: 4.22, 24 hour volume: 61558, 24 hour low: 4.12, 24 hour high: 4.4055	[10:49]
squirrelz	$72	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	nope… Sorry	[10:49]
bandu	72 usd, not bad	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	:(	[10:49]
Someguy123	bandu /join #litecoin	[10:49]
mod6	boo	[10:49]
squirrelz	tis fine :(	[10:49]
bandu	Someguy123: i'll check it out	[10:49]
danieldaniel_	I don't even have that many bitcoins!	[10:49]
Someguy123	danieldaniel_ LTC Balance: 2370 LTC	[10:50]
Someguy123	:3	[10:50]
danieldaniel_	is that a lot?	[10:50]
Someguy123	i have 2.3k litecoins	[10:50]
Someguy123	only $230	[10:50]
danieldaniel_	lolno	[10:50]
phraust	I'll sell em 15.75 btc for $72.	[10:51]
bandu	hmm.	[10:51]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: want to give them to me?	[10:52]
danieldaniel_	:3	[10:52]
Someguy123	danieldaniel_ 20BTC.	[10:52]
sturles	Can you use those litecoins for anything?	[10:52]
bandu	phraust, no offense meant at all, my friend, but is there a review site you can point me to? just a precaution, dont take it personally	[10:52]
danieldaniel_	ill take them 4 free	[10:52]
phraust	i'm rated.	[10:52]
danieldaniel_	bandu: ;;getrating phraust	[10:52]
danieldaniel_	;;getrating phraust	[10:52]
gribble	User Phraust, created on Thu Apr 28 13:58:11 2011. Cumulative rating 17, from 13 total ratings. Received ratings: 12 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 15 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Phraust Currently authenticated from hostmask phraust!~PhraustBy@#64;unaffiliated/phraust	[10:52]
bandu	squirrelz: dont got for litecoines yet	[10:52]
phraust	:O	[10:52]
bandu	litecoins look really interested	[10:52]
danieldaniel_	phraust: negative/	[10:52]
bandu	*interesting	[10:53]
phraust	indeed, hat's new.	[10:53]
NASDAQEnema	sturles in a bit you will be able to	[10:53]
bandu	but what he needs wont accept them	[10:53]
Someguy123	bandu I run liteco.in	[10:53]
phraust	hah.	[10:53]
sturles	Where?	[10:53]
Someguy123	so of course I'm going to advertise litecoins :)	[10:53]
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bandu	Someguy123: congrats!	[10:53]
phraust	metabank. go figure.	[10:53]
NASDAQEnema	sturles: will you sell me 6.5 BTC for $27 PPUSD?	[10:53]
phraust	did he finally fix his shit?	[10:53]
Someguy123	phraust ?	[10:54]
bandu	BRB, i'm so sorry, everyone but my dog is begging to use the bathroom. i need to walk him. i promise pics of him as an apology, afk	[10:54]
Someguy123	bandu hah	[10:55]
danieldaniel_	lol	[10:55]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: YUIGNOREPMS	[10:55]
danieldaniel_	;;ping	[10:56]
gribble	pong	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123:	[10:56]
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danieldaniel_	are you on skype?	[10:56]
NASDAQEnema	phraust sturles $27 PPUSD to buy 6.5 BTC sound good?	[10:56]
mod6	ok so 1 LTC is ~ 1/4 BTC -- since there are supposed to be like 82 million?	[10:56]
Someguy123	danieldaniel_ yeah	[10:56]
phraust	Someguy123, looks like he unrated you	[10:56]
bandu	back temporarily. my dog is so cute. anyway, squirrelz, keeping up?	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	phraust: me?	[10:56]
NASDAQEnema	mod6: not yet there	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	;;getrating danieldaniel	[10:56]
gribble	User danieldaniel, created on Wed Jul 13 17:27:02 2011. Cumulative rating 67, from 42 total ratings. Received ratings: 42 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 34 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=danieldaniel Currently authenticated from hostmask danieldaniel_!~danieldan@#64;174.138.173.203	[10:56]
phraust	metabank.	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	:O	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	oh	[10:56]
danieldaniel_	my ratings == 0551\|\|	[10:57]
Someguy123	phraust yeah he did unrate me	[10:57]
*	bandu is going to need to read scrollback once he lets his dog back in	[10:57]
Someguy123	I gave him his BTC	[10:57]
NASDAQEnema	84 million LTC in the future	[10:57]
Someguy123	since my paypal is still permabanned	[10:57]
phraust	Someguy123, glad to hear it.	[10:57]
mod6	ok, i see NASDAQEnema	[10:57]
danieldaniel_	[08:57am] Someguy123: since my paypal is still permabanned	[10:57]
danieldaniel_	[08:57am] phraust: Someguy123, glad to hear it.	[10:57]
danieldaniel_	wowowowowowoowowo	[10:57]
danieldaniel_	fail timing	[10:57]
sturles	NASDAQEnema: No. Price is to low. I still get 3.8 EUR (5 USD) on several exchanges, and EUR is more useful.	[10:58]
phraust	;;rate Metabank 0 Still a dickhead.	[10:58]
danieldaniel_	lol	[10:58]
spawn-	anyone need here 10BTC ?	[10:58]
spawn-	:)	[10:58]
spawn-	anyone need here 10BTC ? i take PPUSD or LRUSD	[10:58]
danieldaniel_	1Lu7hP4HkgBHKdW3PaW7YsinTcGZLK2R4N	[10:58]
danieldaniel_	hook me up	[10:58]
Someguy123	spawn- sure I'll take it if you're giving it away: 1SoMGuYknDgyYypJPVVKE2teHBN4HDAh3	[10:58]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: I beat you :D	[10:59]
NASDAQEnema	spawn-: I need 6.5 BTC	[10:59]
danieldaniel_	don't ignore my Skype D:	[10:59]
bandu	i am.	[10:59]
Someguy123	wait	[10:59]
Someguy123	no im not on skype	[10:59]
Someguy123	lol	[10:59]
Someguy123	thought i was...	[10:59]
danieldaniel_	>.>	[10:59]
bandu	oh, forgot i was scrolled up	[10:59]
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NASDAQEnema	spawn-: PM	[11:00]
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FastCat	hi	[11:00]
bandu	welcome fastcat! this is the famous bitcoin market! you can buy and sell bitcoins here "over the counter," so to speak.	[11:01]
spawn-	;;getrating NASDAQEnema	[11:02]
gribble	User NASDAQEnema, created on Wed Feb 15 23:47:29 2012. Cumulative rating 1, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=NASDAQEnema Currently not authenticated.	[11:02]
spawn-	ohhh	[11:02]
NASDAQEnema	lemme auth	[11:02]
spawn-	ok	[11:02]
bandu	so, love, if this amazing liberating technology interests you, and it should, you can learn all about it from the links in the topic, and the #bitcoin primary channel	[11:03]
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bandu	FastCat: so how this works, is, as a vendor, you accept bitcoins for products and services, then you sell those bitcoins to obtain currency in your locale. you use this to pay bills, raxes, whatever. then the people who buy the bitcoins from you use them to purchase products and services from venders like yourself.	[11:04]
bandu	follow me so far?	[11:04]
Someguy123	bandu is FastCat your friend?	[11:05]
bandu	yup.	[11:05]
Someguy123	was wondering why there was just a sudden huge intro	[11:05]
Someguy123	o_O	[11:05]
bandu	both squirrelz and FastCat are people i brought here.	[11:05]
bandu	squirrelz asked me if there was a way to buy bitcoins from someone willing to accept moneypak as payment. he would prefer a live, flesh and blood person over irc	[11:06]
bandu	so i immediately thought of you guys.	[11:06]
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squirrelz	hi guys/gals :)	[11:07]
*	squirrelz waves	[11:07]
Someguy123	ohai satoriuplink	[11:07]
Someguy123	squirrelz*	[11:07]
FastCat	hi	[11:07]
danieldaniel_	who wants to make a bit coin fork with me?	[11:07]
danieldaniel_	1337coin	[11:07]
danieldaniel_	just for the fun of it	[11:07]
bandu	i had squirrelz connect to FreeNode and join this channel, and since he's a bit shy, i went ahead and did the talking for him. fastcat is my boyfriend, i was in a skype videocall with him as he was watching over me, and i invited him in so as not to exclude him.	[11:08]
bandu	danieldaniel_: IKR?	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	no	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	I'm being serious	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	http://www.godaddy.com/domains/searchresults.aspx?ci=54814	[11:08]
bandu	1777coin would be epic. how would that particular system work?	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	1337co.in is available	[11:08]
bandu	o:	[11:08]
bandu	DOIT!	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	Idk how	[11:08]
danieldaniel_	:(	[11:08]
bandu	go go go	[11:08]
weex	danieldaniel_: you should make one where the mining is done by mashing the keys	[11:09]
weex	convincingly mind you	[11:09]
squirrelz	not shy per say :P Just didnt wanna run in here like someone really new and do something stupid	[11:09]
squirrelz	Good chance ill be sticking around :)	[11:09]
danieldaniel_	everyone tell Someguy123 to help me	[11:09]
mod6	its probably pretty easy to make your own fork actually. doing something different with it to make it "1337" is another thing.	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: 5up3rub3rpl0x?	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	fine	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	:(	[11:10]
Someguy123	danieldaniel_ ctrl-h	[11:10]
Someguy123	bitcoin	[11:10]
Someguy123	1337coin	[11:10]
Someguy123	DONE.	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	NOOOOO	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	U BROKE IT	[11:10]
weex	yeah mod6 it's ridiculously easy except the actual making a contribution part	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	oh	[11:10]
danieldaniel_	nvm	[11:10]
bandu	well, compose a business plan, with mission statment, etc, the whole nine yards, do your reseach, and take it to a group of investors. get a business loan, and hire web developers to build yoir 1337co/in website	[11:11]
weex	bandu: skip all that, just start a myspace page	[11:11]
weex	bam.	[11:11]
bandu	weex: myspace is still alive?	[11:11]
danieldaniel_	bandu: LOL	[11:11]
weex	it is with myspacecoin	[11:11]
bandu	i'm sorry, i thought myspace died already.	[11:12]
squirrelz	ditto lol	[11:12]
phraust	cosbycoin!	[11:12]
mod6	instead of blocks you have to knit crazy fucking sweaters?	[11:12]
phraust	FUCKING PUDDIN' YO	[11:13]
mod6	hahah	[11:13]
*	FastCat likes fucking :D	[11:13]
coyo	so, how would 1337coin be different, danieldaniel_? what distingishes it front the other systems that makes it worth investing in?	[11:13]
*	spawn- i got BTC + amazon payments i need PPUSD or LRUSD	[11:14]
phraust	green text, black bacground.	[11:14]
danieldaniel_	its 1337	[11:14]
phraust	maybe some spinning wireframed skul and crossbones.	[11:14]
Someguy123	phraust to make it even 1337er, blocks take 1 month to mine	[11:15]
weex	this 1337coin talk is getting out of hand	[11:15]
Someguy123	so they're worth $1,000,000's	[11:15]
Someguy123	:3	[11:15]
mod6	haha, i bet since its "1337", the client will just steal its own coins.	[11:15]
bandu	how so? is it particularly secure and featureful? does it allow you to manage your bitcoins closer to the raw network protocol? what do you mean by 1337?	[11:15]
phraust	http://i.imgur.com/dKwmb.jpg	[11:15]
weex	it's so 1337 all 1337 of them are premined	[11:15]
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Someguy123	mod6 hah maybe since it's so 1337, that it's really a botnet trying to cause a 51% attack against some other *coin	[11:16]
Someguy123	thats how blocks are "generated"	[11:16]
Someguy123	:3	[11:16]
phraust	genius!	[11:16]
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mod6	:D	[11:16]
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danieldaniel_	lol	[11:17]
weex	you ain't mining 1337coin unless you're merged mining 1337coin	[11:17]
phraust	wait, did taco bell release the doritio tacos?	[11:17]
danieldaniel_	but seriously	[11:17]
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danieldaniel_	how do you make the,	[11:17]
danieldaniel_	it*	[11:17]
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bandu	anyway, if anyone can help squirrelz with purchasing some bitcoins with 72 USD worth of MoneyPak, please pm either me or squirrelz	[11:18]
squirrelz	i can tip good	[11:18]
*	gribble gives voice to splatster	[11:18]
weex	this microcrisper is genius	[11:19]
Someguy123	danieldaniel_ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Genesis_block	[11:20]
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EasyAt	cello	[11:21]
bandu	hello EasyAt	[11:21]
EasyAt	what's up bandu	[11:22]
danieldaniel_	Someguy123: so How do I make it different?	[11:22]
bandu	nothing much, just trying to help my friend, squirrelz, purchase bitcoins for the first time, using 72 USD worth of MoneyPak	[11:22]
spawn-	squirrelz maybe i can help	[11:23]
spawn-	worth 72$ ?	[11:23]
bandu	if you have any advice as to how i should go about arranging this favor for my friend, i'd really appreciate it, spawn-	[11:23]
*	bandu nudges squirrelz	[11:23]
squirrelz	yea spawn	[11:23]
squirrelz	sorry lol	[11:23]
squirrelz	reading up on litecoin	[11:23]
spawn-	check my pm	[11:24]
spawn-	anyway guys you know seco ?	[11:24]
squirrelz	o hehe k, sorry im on the web irc, use to an irc client	[11:24]
spawn-	how can i get his email ?	[11:24]
spawn-	or do you know the email of seco ?	[11:24]
EasyAt	neato	[11:24]
bandu	squirrelz: from what you have led me to believe, litecoin is interesting, but not ready for primetime. maybe early adopters with money to spare can play with it, but bitcoin is the pioneering one.	[11:24]
EasyAt	litecoin is soso	[11:24]
bandu	guh	[11:24]
bandu	i feel so confused	[11:24]
bandu	i think i need to sleep after this	[11:25]
Someguy123	bandu it's not for early adopters now	[11:25]
Someguy123	it's 9 months old	[11:25]
EasyAt	bnadu youre right	[11:25]
Someguy123	it's quite far ahead really	[11:25]
squirrelz	o i just got a new laptop, not that nice but had a quad core. so thinking of experienmenting with cpu mining. Ive never really done much mining	[11:25]
Someguy123	its just the lack of services	[11:25]
EasyAt	its very close to something thats going to pump and dump	[11:25]
EasyAt	or it could be a nice	[11:25]
EasyAt	"silver to the gold"	[11:25]
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EasyAt	but i dunno	[11:25]
bandu	squirrelz: mining is a fun hobby, but you're better off doing oddjobs for 20 dollar bills, and buying moneypaks at the corner store.	[11:25]
Someguy123	EasyAt it's designed in mind that you can CPU mine as efficiently on litecoin	[11:25]
Someguy123	as you can GPU mine on bitcoin	[11:26]
bandu	and just buying coins	[11:26]
bandu	easier	[11:26]
squirrelz	o yea i just wanted to experiment	[11:26]
squirrelz	im curious :D	[11:26]
bandu	:D	[11:26]
zordilorp	moneypak	[11:26]
bandu	well, then, go for it :3	[11:26]
EasyAt	Someguy123 i know how it works	[11:26]
squirrelz	pc isnt doing much else anyways	[11:26]
EasyAt	I am just saying without strong adoption somewhat early on itll just fester	[11:26]
*	bandu sneaks into squirrelz's computer and watches over squirrelz at night	[11:27]
bandu	;3	[11:27]
squirrelz	<3	[11:27]
bandu	<3	[11:27]
EasyAt	I was strongly thinking about making lal my work comps into miners	[11:27]
sturles	Is Litecoin about anything else than mining. You mine them, and then what? Can you buy anything with a Litecoin? Sell it for more than the electricity you spent mining them?	[11:27]
EasyAt	We have baout 15	[11:27]
bandu	teamviewer <3	[11:27]
EasyAt	sturles: I think its on the stage where the only way you make money is if someone else is payin gpower	[11:28]
bandu	sturles: not yet, as far as i can see. but once bitcoin gets really bit, the other *coin systems will be more quickly adopted	[11:28]
bandu	*big	[11:28]
bandu	and i mean, you can buy clothing from walmart and coffee from starbucks with bitcoins big..	[11:28]
bandu	which i can see happening	[11:28]
EasyAt	anyone from chicago in the bitcoin world?	[11:28]
bandu	i hail from texas, here	[11:28]
EasyAt	bandu	[11:29]
EasyAt	i have lived in Austin for the last 10 months	[11:29]
EasyAt	I moved back recently	[11:29]
sturles	Why Litecoin then? Why not just use Bitcoin?	[11:29]
bandu	hmm. i have many friends who live in austin, and have been considering studying at UTexas for awhile now.	[11:29]
phraust	I mine cause i lack the hardware to mine bitcoin.	[11:29]
EasyAt	Litecoin can mine at the same time bitcoin can but using CPU instead of gpu	[11:29]
danieldaniel_	who wants to help me make 1337coin?	[11:29]
EasyAt	bandu, it was fun	[11:30]
EasyAt	I highly suggest	[11:30]
EasyAt	where are you know?	[11:30]
sturles	I don't get it. As far as I can tell, Litecoin is just Bitcoin experimenting with another type of hashing for the mining.	[11:30]
bandu	EasyAt: Garland, Texas	[11:30]
bandu	east of Dallas :9	[11:31]
sturles	And there are thousands of HPC centra around the world with just the type of computing power needed for a 51% attack on Litecoin.	[11:31]
bandu	ooh.	[11:31]
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spawn-	;;[ identd ] seco	[11:32]
spawn-	anyone knows what is the email of seco ?	[11:32]
sturles	For Bitcoin that's near impossible because HPC focus on FLOPS where Bitcoin is all about MIPS. CPUs with many FLOPS are typically shitty when it comes to MIPS.	[11:32]
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EasyAt	bandu thats cools, I had some firneds from illinois that moved to garlen	[11:32]
EasyAt	boring... but livable	[11:32]
spawn-	how can i check his email via gribble bot ?	[11:33]
spawn-	anyone ?	[11:33]
phraust	heh, up till today i've mined 130 ltc.	[11:33]
phraust	woo, party hard.	[11:33]
EasyAt	eh, i sold a bunch of overpriced btc.... party hard	[11:33]
spawn-	;;getrating seco	[11:33]
gribble	User seco, created on Wed Jun 29 06:05:31 2011. Cumulative rating 17, from 14 total ratings. Received ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=seco Currently not authenticated.	[11:33]
EasyAt	wasnt that overpriced, just needed quickly	[11:34]
danieldaniel_	the hashes of blocks	[11:34]
danieldaniel_	are they hashes of the hex or the plaintext?	[11:34]
bandu	Someguy123: hey, is litecoin an entirely seperate cryptocurrency from btc? from what i understand so far, ltc is an entirely different currency. is this correct?	[11:34]
danieldaniel_	ok i give up	[11:34]
danieldaniel_	how the f*** do I make a genesis block???	[11:34]
EasyAt	yes	[11:34]
EasyAt	bandy	[11:35]
Someguy123	bandu yeah it is	[11:35]
Someguy123	it's different	[11:35]
EasyAt	bandu*	[11:35]
bandu	EasyAt: thank you.	[11:35]
Someguy123	different blockchain, different addresses, different mining system	[11:35]
Someguy123	etc.	[11:35]
bandu	Someguy123: i look forward to devouring litecoin soon	[11:35]
bandu	i want to invest in it	[11:35]
EasyAt	It is more focused on CPU mining	[11:35]
bandu	i think you're in a good position to complement bitcoin	[11:35]
phraust	I heard there was a gpu miner in the works.	[11:35]
EasyAt	bandu: as opposed to GPU mining which is much more expensive	[11:35]
Someguy123	phraust it's all bull, don't worry	[11:35]
EasyAt	you can also mine both at thte same tine	[11:35]
Someguy123	mtrlt can't show any proof	[11:35]
bandu	but right now, squirrelz needs bitcoin to spend on a vendor that does not YET accept litecoin	[11:36]
bandu	i'm sure they will in the future	[11:36]
EasyAt	yea litecoin is nub status	[11:36]
EasyAt	maybe it will be bid	[11:36]
bandu	do plan on me asking a lot of questions	[11:36]
EasyAt	its not like NTC yet	[11:36]
EasyAt	BTC***	[11:36]
Someguy123	bandu these are really the few reasons litecoin is great: faster transactions, plus you can send smaller values for a lot lower transaction fees	[11:36]
spawn-	anyone knows seco ?	[11:37]
Someguy123	spawn- nope...	[11:37]
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Someguy123	who's seco spawn-?	[11:37]
EasyAt	Know... And I at least see alot of people come in and out of this chan	[11:37]
NASDAQEnema	bandu I'm about to break paypal's blockade	[11:38]
bandu	yay!	[11:39]
bandu	excuse my language, but FUCK PAYPAL	[11:39]
bandu	LONG LIVE BITCOIN! LONG LIVE LITECOIN!	[11:39]
EasyAt	eh, just got a warning from PP	[11:39]
NASDAQEnema	I'm buying services in PP and BTC all over the place and selling shares of them at profit	[11:39]
EasyAt	Not very happy with the	[11:39]
EasyAt	them*	[11:40]
spawn-	seco	[11:40]
NASDAQEnema	shares of already purchase service	[11:40]
spawn-	the guy from europe	[11:40]
spawn-	;;getrating seco	[11:40]
gribble	User seco, created on Wed Jun 29 06:05:31 2011. Cumulative rating 17, from 14 total ratings. Received ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 14 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=seco Currently not authenticated.	[11:40]
spawn-	;;seen seco	[11:40]
gribble	seco was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 3 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: maybe one if your past trades mentioned someonwhere on a little memo "ty for btcs" :x	[11:40]
EasyAt	NASDAQEnema: What are you purchasing exactly, I dont understand	[11:40]
NASDAQEnema	vps, vpn, rapidshare etc	[11:41]
NASDAQEnema	and pricing it in BTC	[11:41]
spawn-	anyone here has LRUSD?	[11:41]
EasyAt	ah, hosting?	[11:41]
spawn-	exchange for BTC	[11:41]
NASDAQEnema	then I create a contract for the shares	[11:41]
EasyAt	so anony hosting perhaps???	[11:42]
NASDAQEnema	starting with rg's	[11:42]
NASDAQEnema	but moving into other	[11:42]
NASDAQEnema	point is	[11:42]
EasyAt	I am very interested	[11:42]
NASDAQEnema	it's shares	[11:43]
NASDAQEnema	of ALREADY paid service	[11:43]
NASDAQEnema	not virtual currency	[11:43]
EasyAt	what do you mean	[11:43]
NASDAQEnema	doesn't break PP tos	[11:43]
NASDAQEnema	:)	[11:43]
EasyAt	i'll pay PP	[11:44]
NASDAQEnema	and it creates massive liquidity	[11:44]
EasyAt	sorry i mean BTC	[11:44]
EasyAt	not PP	[11:44]
spawn-	EasyAt you got LRUSD?	[11:44]
EasyAt	fuck pp	[11:44]
EasyAt	lol no	[11:44]
EasyAt	yea right	[11:44]
spawn-	you know lrUSD?	[11:44]
EasyAt	the half life currecny?	[11:44]
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spawn-	liberty reserve :)	[11:44]
EasyAt	secondlife*	[11:44]
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EasyAt	oh, spawn-, I should look at this	[11:45]
Joric	bitcoinica just said my account is unverified and i need to upload my passport	[11:45]
spawn-	www.libertyreserve.com	[11:45]
bandu	;;getrating spawn-	[11:45]
EasyAt	Joric: lol	[11:45]
EasyAt	eh, with the services that I know right now	[11:46]
zordilorp	passport hmm	[11:46]
EasyAt	Not enough time to mess with thinks like LR	[11:46]
EasyAt	things*	[11:46]
phraust	heh, i forgot that I bought some of my first btc with linden.	[11:47]
phraust	hilarious	[11:47]
Joric	why zhou wants my passport?	[11:48]
phraust	new ToS	[11:48]
phraust	oh, wait, was that gox?	[11:48]
*	spawn- selling BTC i need LRUSD :)	[11:48]
spawn-	anyone knows the email address of seco ?	[11:49]
spawn-	or it can be view here via gribble ? i dont know what is the commands :)	[11:49]
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mircea_popescu	lmao joric	[11:49]
spawn-	;;email seco	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	that's the top of ridiculousness	[11:50]
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spawn-	;;info seco	[11:51]
phraust	wow, I gotout of there just in time.	[11:51]
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spawn-	bro seco where are you? come out come out wherever you are ! :)	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	im glad i never got in	[11:52]
Joric	mtgox doesn't ask for verification atm but it reserves the right to do it	[11:55]
Joric	Mt. Gox will request identification information (...) depending on the amounts deposited on the Accounts or the presence of suspicious activity	[11:55]
Joric	new tos, feb 22	[11:56]
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Someguy123	[09:55:47] <+Joric> Mt. Gox will request identification information (...) depending on the amounts deposited on the Accounts or the presence of suspicious activity	[11:56]
Someguy123	ouch...	[11:57]
Someguy123	guess I might switch completely to btc-e or vircurex	[11:57]
Someguy123	just incase they do try to fuck me over...	[11:57]
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Joric	Someguy123, it's also explicitly prohibits creation/using multiple accounts now	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	vircurex volume 10 btc	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	you gotta be kidding me	[11:59]
Someguy123	Joric oh shit.	[11:59]
Joric	'The creation or use of Accounts without obtaining such prior express permission from the Platform will lead to the immediate suspension of all said Accounts'	[11:59]
Joric	'Members may only have one Account at any one time and may not create or use any Account other than their own'	[11:59]
Someguy123	great, I better extract all my USD/BTC out of my other acc then	[12:00]
Someguy123	o_O	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	may not create an account other than their own ?	[12:00]
Joric	it's all here https://mtgox.com/terms_of_service	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	those people need soem actual legal advice	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	which is not some 20yo paralegal.	[12:00]
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zordilorp	whats in the toS	[12:01]
zordilorp	you must submit to a cavity inspection by the auditor	[12:01]
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Joric	Someguy123, ask tux for the permission first )	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	and here's the daily reminder that you all can trade options anonymously and therefore w/o any passports.	[12:02]
-`	Balance (USD): 0.03922	[12:03]
-`	Balance (BTC): 0.01337	[12:03]
-`	okay	[12:03]
danieldaniel_	lol	[12:03]
*	-` is now known as someguy123	[12:03]
bandu	whooo, this is fun!	[12:04]
Joric	http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/options.php ?	[12:04]
Joric	how to use that?	[12:04]
bandu	trading over irc is freaking awesome.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	well joric, click on a price	[12:05]
Joric	Learn about options -> http://biz.yahoo.com/opt/education.html haha	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	send an email with how many contracts you're buying, send the bitcoins and you're set.	[12:05]
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someguy123	Your account has been credited by $0.03922	[12:07]
someguy123	Your account has been credited by 0.01337000 BTC	[12:08]
someguy123	there we go	[12:08]
someguy123	extracted from my other account nicely :3	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	unless you make less than 1 dollar an hour that was a waste of time	[12:08]
spawn-	;;getrating bandu	[12:08]
someguy123	mircea_popescu it took two seconds	[12:08]
someguy123	I just connected my bot and did a few !withdraws	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	it took like 40. do the math.	[12:08]
bandu	i dont have a rating, pretty sure. i've never actually traded yet.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	a, you're boted ?	[12:09]
someguy123	mircea_popescu wat?	[12:09]
bandu	;;getrating bandu	[12:09]
someguy123	bandu type ;;guide	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	you have a bot. i figured you went and logged in by hand	[12:09]
someguy123	;;getrating bandu	[12:09]
spawn-	your not auth bandu ?	[12:09]
mizerydearia	mcorlett, huh? started? what do you mean?	[12:09]
bandu	;;guide	[12:09]
spawn-	i was about to send the 14btc :(	[12:09]
someguy123	mircea_popescu yeah, its easier just to use my goxbot	[12:09]
bandu	oh, right.	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	;;dance	[12:09]
spawn-	dym!!!	[12:10]
spawn-	:(	[12:10]
someguy123	thats why I have the second acc in the first place	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	gribble> Error: "dance" is not a valid command. << poor gribble.	[12:10]
bandu	i have a shiny new pgp key and everything. perfect opportunity	[12:10]
someguy123	so I didn't get suspended for shitloads of codes being eaten by my bot	[12:10]
someguy123	[10:09:37] Error: This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated.	[12:10]
goldpunk	;;ticker	[12:10]
gribble	Best bid: 4.19, Best ask: 4.2, Bid-ask spread: 0.01, Last trade: 4.18102, 24 hour volume: 49404, 24 hour low: 4.12, 24 hour high: 4.335	[12:10]
someguy123	bandu ^^^	[12:10]
someguy123	;;ident bandu	[12:10]
gribble	Nick 'bandu', with hostmask 'bandu!~kvirc@#64;unaffiliated/bandu', is not identified.	[12:10]
someguy123	bandu go log in using your GPG.	[12:10]
mizerydearia	mcorlett, I don't even see any messages from him due to ignore for so many months. And I haven't said anything in this channel for a while. I am not sure how I am involved.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	so anyone here plays regnum ?	[12:10]
bandu	doing now.	[12:11]
NASDAQEnema	anyone want to sell me BTC for PPUSD at 10% over spot	[12:11]
NASDAQEnema	I can do $27 PPUSD give or take	[12:13]
NASDAQEnema	I'm looking to kick off this paypal dodging thing	[12:13]
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someguy123	;;ident bandu	[12:14]
gribble	Nick 'bandu', with hostmask 'bandu!~kvirc@#64;unaffiliated/bandu', is not identified.	[12:14]
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someguy123	bandu what IRC client are you on?	[12:14]
NASDAQEnema	;;gpg auth NASDAQEnema	[12:14]
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bandu	i'm using kvirc on linux mint 12	[12:15]
spawn-	;;getrating coyo	[12:15]
bandu	i have my otp, reading what to do with it...hold on	[12:16]
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someguy123	bandu you type: ;;gpg eauth THATLONGSTRINGYOUDECRYPTED	[12:17]
someguy123	bandu if you were on mIRC or Xchat, there's scripts to auto-auth you easily	[12:17]
someguy123	I'm on windows, so mIRC handles my OTP and everything fully automatic :3	[12:17]
bandu	thanks. trying to figure out how to decrypt the message with the linux command line. give me a moment to google this	[12:17]
someguy123	bandu it's gpg --decrypt /home/bandu/otp.txt	[12:17]
bandu	THANK YOU	[12:18]
someguy123	otp.txt = that link gribble sent you, save it.	[12:18]
bandu	you saved me 15 minutes of googling	[12:18]
`g	or use curl	[12:18]
zordilorp	get gribbled out bro	[12:18]
someguy123	`g or wget	[12:18]
bandu	curl would have been more convient	[12:18]
someguy123	my mIRC uses wget	[12:18]
someguy123	so meh...	[12:18]
`g	there are some recipee on the wiki iirc	[12:18]
someguy123	argh, it's too hot today	[12:19]
someguy123	english weather is strange sometimes... yesterday it was cold most of the day and even SNOWED	[12:19]
*	bandu goes through the motions..	[12:19]
someguy123	today it's sunny, dry, and too hot =_=	[12:19]
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bandu	okay, decrypted successfully. sending to gribble	[12:21]
bandu	aaaand done	[12:22]
`g	kvirc use tcl, you can make use of it	[12:22]
`g	(iirc)	[12:22]
bandu	i thought kvirc had kvs?	[12:22]
NASDAQEnema	ok	[12:22]
bandu	well, anyway. how do i identify with gribble when i reconnect?	[12:22]
bandu	ohwait, let me read that >.<	[12:23]
NASDAQEnema	-> ;;gpg eauth or everify	[12:23]
NASDAQEnema	anyways	[12:23]
bandu	okay.	[12:23]
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bandu	thanks, NASDAQEnema	[12:23]
NASDAQEnema	I'd like to buy some BTCs	[12:24]
bandu	that's pretty cool.	[12:24]
NASDAQEnema	for PPUSD	[12:24]
Cory	Yay bandu. :)	[12:25]
bandu	thanks, someguy123 , `g, Cory	[12:25]
bandu	okay, so i just go though those motions each time :3	[12:25]
NASDAQEnema	yar	[12:25]
bandu	wasnt that bad. one time pads are cool	[12:25]
NASDAQEnema	so who is interested in the fuck paypal idea	[12:26]
NASDAQEnema	I just need one initial boost	[12:27]
NASDAQEnema	and I'm willing to do the trade propely	[12:27]
*	bandu growls at paypal, visualizing melting the entire headquaters into glass..	[12:27]
*	bandu really doesnt like paypal	[12:27]
NASDAQEnema	would like me to sell limericks for BTC to start this off then?	[12:28]
*	bandu really likes the idea of buying and selling bitcoins and moneypaks or something similar.	[12:29]
someguy123	bandu I hate plenty of reasons to hate paypal...	[12:29]
someguy123	bandu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60534.0	[12:29]
someguy123	have*	[12:29]
bandu	someguy123: oh, wow.	[12:29]
NASDAQEnema	someguy123: you're doing the litecoins right?	[12:29]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema yeah	[12:29]
bandu	more reasons why the headquaters should be melted into glass	[12:29]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema why?	[12:30]
NASDAQEnema	ok does anyone want to sell me the initial 6.5 BTC i need to start the melting into glass	[12:30]
bandu	hehehe	[12:30]
NASDAQEnema	i'll write limericks - i'll fix your tumblr anything	[12:31]
NASDAQEnema	but I need that initial boost	[12:31]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema I only have 5BTC worth of litecoins :(	[12:31]
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`g	bandu: yw	[12:32]
bandu	:D	[12:32]
NASDAQEnema	someguy123: I plan on buying 6 months of service from rg and reselling shares of it in BTC LTC	[12:32]
bandu	okay, now that that's over with, how is everyone doing?	[12:33]
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someguy123	NASDAQEnema reselling it for litecoins would give litecoin a little "boost"	[12:33]
someguy123	atleast	[12:33]
bandu	i'm really pleased to see that the bitcoin community has grown considerably since the last time i paid attentin	[12:33]
someguy123	more services for litecoin are greatly needed	[12:33]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema if you need any help, I'm willing to help around	[12:34]
NASDAQEnema	bandu - i'm getting ready to offer my first born for BTC - jeezus ppl really do not want to use paypal	[12:34]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60534.0	[12:34]
someguy123	thats my rant about paypal ^	[12:34]
someguy123	a lot of other people have had bad experiences too...	[12:34]
NASDAQEnema	yeah I know	[12:34]
NASDAQEnema	and I know how to kill the beast	[12:34]
bandu	someguy123: so you're conceptualizing LTC as the "silver" to the BTC's "gold" as a complementary currency?	[12:35]
NASDAQEnema	but I need a lil help	[12:35]
someguy123	bandu almost	[12:35]
NASDAQEnema	bandu more accessible	[12:35]
someguy123	I'm not the creator of LTC, but I'm a supporter	[12:35]
NASDAQEnema	soooooooooooo	[12:35]
NASDAQEnema	6.5 BTC anyone	[12:35]
NASDAQEnema	?	[12:35]
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bandu	someguy123: easier to access? you mean mining? i could easily buy a ton of cheap old computers off ebay, like a bunch of old crappy dell computers, and hook them up to a beowulf cluster. theoretically speaking, could i mind litecoins with that/	[12:36]
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someguy123	NASDAQEnema http://i51.tinypic.com/34euqsk.png	[12:36]
someguy123	bandu yeah	[12:36]
bandu	*mine	[12:36]
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someguy123	a lot of people use their business clusters for mining	[12:36]
bandu	someguy123: that does make it a heck o a lot more accessible	[12:36]
NASDAQEnema	bandu it would make more sense to just mine individually on each of those comps using workers	[12:37]
`g	as parallelizing is the way to mine efficiently that's a good idea	[12:37]
someguy123	bandu there's even a litecoin mining service	[12:37]
someguy123	so it's quite easy if they're running windows	[12:37]
NASDAQEnema	i'm using ufasoft in linux	[12:37]
someguy123	if they're on linux, you can just throw a shell script to download and compile poolers miner, then connect it	[12:37]
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NASDAQEnema	3 to 5 kh/s	[12:38]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema 20kh/s :)	[12:38]
*	bandu nods, listening	[12:38]
someguy123	with poolers miner on windows	[12:38]
NASDAQEnema	T2330 Dual CPU	[12:38]
NASDAQEnema	1.6 GHz	[12:38]
NASDAQEnema	what's yours someguy123?	[12:38]
bandu	so you could have a bunch of inexpensive computers running a minepool network over the lan?	[12:39]
NASDAQEnema	yeah you could	[12:39]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema phenom II x6 1075T	[12:39]
someguy123	though I'm only using 4 of my 6 cores for mining	[12:39]
someguy123	so it remains usable	[12:39]
bandu	that would be a lot easier than a beowulf cluster	[12:39]
NASDAQEnema	someguy123: what speed?	[12:39]
`g	and less consuming	[12:40]
zordilorp	dude	[12:40]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema around 5kh/s per core	[12:40]
zordilorp	a beowulf cluster of	[12:40]
NASDAQEnema	ghz?	[12:40]
someguy123	so I could get a good 30kh/s if I used it all for mining	[12:40]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema stock 3ghz	[12:40]
someguy123	if I oc'd this... probably 50kh/s total	[12:40]
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zordilorp	serabro	[12:40]
NASDAQEnema	ok	[12:40]
NASDAQEnema	what do I need to do to get 6.5 BTCs	[12:41]
*	bandu has missed chatting with the bitcoin community	[12:41]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema mine them? lol	[12:41]
NASDAQEnema	um	[12:41]
someguy123	NASDAQEnema sell something on bitmit.com maybe?	[12:41]
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NASDAQEnema	with a dell 1420 r u kidding? lol :)	[12:41]
bandu	hey someguy123: is there a forex to freely exchange litecoins and bitcoins?	[12:42]
someguy123	bandu not yet I don't think	[12:42]
bandu	someguy123: is that in the works?	[12:42]
someguy123	so far there's only forex between BTC and USD with bitcoinica	[12:42]
NASDAQEnema	bandu I know of one but it's slow	[12:42]
bandu	oh..	[12:42]
bandu	if only i was a banker.	[12:43]
someguy123	bandu you can do noral exchanging @#64; http://btc-e.com	[12:43]
bandu	i would totally invest in founding a reliable forex	[12:43]
someguy123	and http://vircurex.com	[12:43]
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bandu	someguy123: -googles the definition of "noral"-	[12:44]
someguy123	normal*	[12:44]
someguy123	bandu ^	[12:45]
NASDAQEnema	https://vircurex.com/register?referral_id=872-559	[12:45]
bandu	ph.	[12:45]
bandu	i'm sorry.	[12:45]
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someguy123	bandu 656-365	[12:45]
someguy123	oops	[12:45]
bandu	o.o	[12:45]
someguy123	https://vircurex.com/register?referral_id=656-365	[12:45]
someguy123	bandu ^	[12:46]
someguy123	sign up using my referal link :)	[12:46]
someguy123	you get lower fees	[12:46]
stamit	anyone interested in changing my LR $5.13 for MtGox?	[12:49]
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stamit	otherwise, i don't know what to do with it	[12:49]
bandu	registered.	[12:50]
stamit	what can one get for LR $5.13 ?	[12:50]
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zordilorp	dude	[12:51]
zordilorp	lorpatop	[12:51]
bandu	someguy123: registered using your referal code	[12:51]
someguy123	thanks :)	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	im having the most bizzare in the history of bizzare issues.	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	i can't load SOME sites over https	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	not all, and i can't figure out wtf.	[12:53]
zordilorp	hey mand	[12:54]
someguy123	mircea_popescu hope your ISP isn't filtering	[12:57]
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someguy123	what browser?	[12:57]
vragnaroda	[05:43] < bandu> \| if only i was a banker. <-- *were	[12:59]
vragnaroda	Jesus, people, lrn2subjunctive.	[12:59]
bandu	my mistake.	[12:59]
bandu	actually, this is a first for me	[12:59]
vragnaroda	;)	[12:59]
bandu	i've never had a grammar nazy who wasnt already my friend correct my grammar	[13:00]
bandu	*nazi	[13:00]
vragnaroda	hehe	[13:00]
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bandu	thank you for your time and attention, vragnaroda	[13:00]
bandu	i'm a little distracted with skype conversations atm	[13:00]
kakobreklaaa	vragnaroda takes no excuses	[13:00]
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bandu	i dont imagine he/she would	[13:02]
vragnaroda	kakobreklaaa: Excuses are irrelevant. Wrong is wrong. I don't assign moral value to grammar any more than I do to gravity, though.	[13:02]
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vragnaroda	bandu: For your future reference when selecting pronouns, I have a penis.	[13:02]
bandu	vragnaroda: this is good to know	[13:02]
paulzag	stamit, you can get my BTC?	[13:02]
bandu	:P	[13:02]
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stamit	anyone changing 5.13 LRUSD?	[13:02]
stamit	paulzag? you'll give me BTCs?	[13:02]
paulzag	me stamit	[13:02]
paulzag	yep	[13:02]
stamit	better just MTGUSD right now	[13:03]
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paulzag	sorry?	[13:04]
stamit	BTC or MtGox USD. either will do	[13:04]
someguy123	selling 2.3K LTC @#64; 0.0029 per...anyone want to buy?	[13:05]
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kakobreklaaa	did someone say penis?	[13:19]
vragnaroda	Yes.	[13:20]
vragnaroda	Penis.	[13:20]
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zordilorp	of course at a certain difficulty level, the machines computing the next block would collapse before the computation finished, due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, thus making new blocks take exponentially longer to create in this runaway state	[13:24]
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zordilorp	at that stage, no machine or process to create machines would survive long enough to have a 50% chance of solving the block. you would have to rely on random configurations arising that produced bitcoin machines and hope that the universe doesn't vanish	[13:29]
zordilorp	that is, the universe could reach a steady state and become frozen for eternity before you randomly stumble upon the solution	[13:30]
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paulzag	hey zordilorp is this meant for another channel?	[13:44]
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rg	uff i wanna watch 310 to yuma again	[20:33]
rg	but i know i shouldnt	[20:33]
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mircea_popescu	for all whom might be concerned : i have filed a complaint about vragnaroda with the authorities of Niue, which is a tiny island you've never heard of.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	would anyone like to see a pic ?	[20:33]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: Please!	[20:34]
rawrmage	lol	[20:34]
rawrmage	yes, pics!	[20:34]
rg	haha	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	sorry, can't find the url right nao.	[20:34]
a5m0	hey rg check your pm's?	[20:35]
unclemantis	mcorlett yo	[20:36]
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unclemantis	i am trying out the electrum. My wallet is stored on the servers?	[20:36]
mcorlett	unclemantis: No. The blockchain is stored on the servers. You keep the private keys	[20:36]
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unclemantis	it is asking me if i want to make a new wallet, i said yes, and now it is asking me which server to connect to	[20:37]
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neon__	;;sell 102 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of http://www.thelimited.com/ egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable pm me.	[20:38]
imsaguy	;;ident phantomcircuit	[20:38]
gribble	Nick 'phantomcircuit', with hostmask 'phantomcircuit!~phantomci@#64;50.57.81.35', is not identified.	[20:38]
unclemantis	i was just given a determinisic wallet seed	[20:38]
BTCHero	;;view	[20:39]
gribble	#6867 Sun Feb 19 07:28:23 2012 BTCHero SELL 25.0 BTC @#64; 4.8 USD (Moneypak)	[20:39]
danieldaniel	4.8?	[20:39]
unclemantis	do i have to memorize this or is this stored on the usb drive? cause right now i don't see any new files generated	[20:39]
BTCHero	:)	[20:39]
nanotube	mcorlett: template looks reasonable.	[20:39]
mcorlett	unclemantis: The private keys are stored in ~/.electrum	[20:39]
unclemantis	and that is stored on the c: drive?	[20:40]
mcorlett	unclemantis: Somewhere in %AppData%	[20:40]
unclemantis	so what good is installing this and using it on a usb drive?	[20:40]
mcorlett	I'm on Linux.	[20:40]
unclemantis	i am talking about everything running on the usb drive	[20:40]
mcorlett	unclemantis: It's Python. You can modify it to store it where ever you'd like.	[20:40]
unclemantis	ok this is not an out-of-the-box solution	[20:41]
mcorlett	unclemantis: There may be a flag. Check the documentation.	[20:41]
unclemantis	any other USB wallet recommendations?	[20:41]
unclemantis	i'll do that later	[20:42]
unclemantis	any other solutions? i will investigate this elctro thing later on	[20:42]
rg	;;ticker	[20:42]
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rg	mak eone yourself	[20:44]
rg	get a usb stick with a sd card init	[20:44]
rg	you only need like 128MB	[20:44]
rg	unless you wanna host the blockchain too	[20:44]
rg	which you probably would	[20:44]
rg	[james@#64;elephant ~]$ du -sh .bitcoin	[20:44]
rg	6.0G.bitcoin	[20:44]
mcorlett	imsaguy: You didn't explain how a deal might be more complicated, but I tried improving it anyway: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n64kcBAm	[20:45]
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mcorlett	Ah, discard that.	[20:45]
imsaguy	What if its declining principal?	[20:46]
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unclemantis	mcorlett i looked at the flags, there is no way of telling it where to install the data file	[20:48]
dirkdizzler	r u guys talking about dianna	[20:48]
mcorlett	unclemantis: Well, it's not more difficult than opening the file with notepad and changing the directory.	[20:49]
unclemantis	i am talking about the precompiled binary	[20:50]
danieldaniel	Where can i get minerd	[20:50]
danieldaniel	for mac	[20:50]
danieldaniel	for litecoin	[20:50]
unclemantis	wtf is a litecoin?	[20:50]
unclemantis	is litecoin difficulty still able to solve with CPU or is it on GPU now?	[20:50]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: you're a face implosion's bastard child	[20:51]
danieldaniel	D:	[20:51]
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unclemantis	man why the hell are all these bitcoin articles dated during the bubble crash	[20:51]
rawrmage	lol	[20:53]
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njstein	cause that's when people cared about it	[20:54]
Tril	rg: my .bitcoin is only 1.4GB, try deleting debug.log or replacing it with a /dev/null device like I do :)	[20:55]
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jjjrmy-m	Would anyone be interested in buying and selling Stocks for Bitcoins?	[20:56]
copumpkin	the stock market is for chumps	[20:56]
copumpkin	real men play in fixed income	[20:56]
Tril	which stocks, other than ones on glbse.com	[20:56]
imsaguy	you mean you give me bitcoins and I go buy walgreens?	[20:56]
jjjrmy-m	Tril: the normal Stock Market	[20:56]
jjjrmy-m	imsaguy: no, you can buy stock with bitcoins	[20:57]
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copumpkin	jjjrmy-m: how would you transfer ownership of shares to the buyer?	[20:57]
imsaguy	oh	[20:57]
jjjrmy-m	copumpkin: don't worry about it.	[20:57]
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jjjrmy-m	copumpkin: that's for me to worry about.	[20:57]
copumpkin	jjjrmy-m: well, and anyone buying your service	[20:57]
jjjrmy-m	copumpkin: they don't have to worry about it. I'll be working with a broker.	[20:58]
imsaguy	uh	[20:58]
imsaguy	they do have to wrry about it	[20:58]
imsaguy	lol	[20:58]
imsaguy	is it legit	[20:58]
copumpkin	they do have to worry about it, because you're just some dude on the internet claiming he's buying stock for them	[20:58]
jjjrmy-m	yes legit	[20:58]
imsaguy	I'm gonna start selling guns via btc	[20:58]
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imsaguy	dont worry where I get them	[20:58]
njstein	bodies on 'em or fresh??	[20:59]
Tril	jjjrmy-m: good luck if you can pull it off. I can't think of any I'd buy, I think stock market is too easily manipulated	[20:59]
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copumpkin	Tril: so you stick to the bitcoin market?: P	[20:59]
gilly_	sell 50 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of CVS PHARMACY egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable pm me.	[21:00]
unclemantis	where are the documents for installing and running the official bitcoin client on a usbdrive and storing the wallet data on the usbdrive?	[21:00]
Tril	copumpkin: the benefit is bitcoins can live on my hard drive, I heard stocks are legally property of some shady organization called the DTC and not the owner?	[21:00]
dirkdizzler	the internet	[21:00]
unclemantis	dirkdizzler can i get a direct link?	[21:00]
dirkdizzler	to the internet?	[21:00]
unclemantis	grrr	[21:01]
dirkdizzler	woof	[21:01]
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woofcat	?	[21:01]
NASDAQEnema	unclemantis: litecoin will never be GPU	[21:01]
chmod755	anyone mining with: http://www.dwavesys.com/en/products-services.html ?	[21:01]
copumpkin	Tril: you can get the certificates if you really want them, but it's generally more overhead and not worth it	[21:02]
gmaxwell	chmod755: no, thats not capable of mining.	[21:02]
Tril	jjjrmy-m: also see MF Global, any funds stored in a brokerage are subject to theft, which will not be prosecuted.	[21:02]
dirkdizzler	i just brought a farm of those online this week chmod755	[21:02]
chmod755	gmaxwell: O RLY?	[21:02]
copumpkin	lol	[21:02]
gmaxwell	chmod755: Really.	[21:03]
copumpkin	omg 128 qubits	[21:03]
dirkdizzler	got the liquid nitro tanks in the back	[21:03]
chmod755	copumpkin: ya, it costs sth like	[21:03]
dirkdizzler	behind the shed	[21:03]
gmaxwell	copumpkin: no, not really.	[21:03]
chmod755	;;calc [10000000 CAD in USD]*[ticker --last]	[21:03]
danieldaniel	does anyone know where I can buy a cheap computer to put a gpu in?	[21:04]
chmod755	;;calc [google calc 10000000 CAD in USD]*[ticker --last]	[21:04]
dirkdizzler	danieldaniel have you tried amazon	[21:04]
chmod755	-.-	[21:04]
danieldaniel	i prefer a store	[21:04]
danieldaniel	like	[21:04]
dirkdizzler	i hear they accept GC	[21:04]
danieldaniel	a physical store	[21:04]
danieldaniel	dirkdizzler: :)	[21:04]
netxshare	try the yellow pages	[21:04]
netxshare	look for a local computer store not a large retail chain	[21:04]
Tril	also, rally, buying bitcoins at 4.5 for moneypak	[21:05]
netxshare	either way you willl still over pay	[21:05]
dirkdizzler	go to the wally and get yourself an emachine	[21:05]
dirkdizzler	they are so fast	[21:05]
Mqrius	Tril: If you're trying to buy, then don't tell everyone there's a rally going on :P	[21:05]
copumpkin	lol	[21:05]
dirkdizzler	sell rally	[21:05]
chmod755	copumpkin: 2,295,899.93369 BTC for a quantum miner lol	[21:05]
copumpkin	oh perfect	[21:06]
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chmod755	1.be satoshi 2.??? 3.PROFIT	[21:06]
njstein	danieldaniel: you geet your account unbanned?	[21:06]
danieldaniel	njstein: no :(	[21:06]
unclemantis	i can send bitcoin using the bitcoin client without the blockchain being in sync right? I just can't recive if it is not in sync. Is that correct?	[21:07]
danieldaniel	oh that reminds me	[21:07]
danieldaniel	they told me to post on forums	[21:07]
njstein	unclemantis: yeah you can send	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	dude somebody buy some puts	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	i've never seen this sorta optimistic sentiment, it's unnerving.	[21:07]
njstein	and technically you do receive it, it's just not updated to your wallet untl your blockchain updates	[21:07]
unclemantis	ok	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	unclematis : not really, in general it just waits to update	[21:08]
DeLorean719	it's like saying you don't have money in the bank just because you didn't look to see if it's there d:	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	your sending transaction appears as ? / offline or such	[21:08]
unclemantis	so even if i store the entire blockchain on the usb drive I can still spend, i just can't spend what the wallet has not SEEN yet	[21:08]
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Tril	Mqrius: except my reason to buy is to help drive up the price of my other coins ;)	[21:11]
copumpkin	gilly_: there are loads of people offering those cards. Do you have any idea why they suddenly started appearing everywhere?	[21:11]
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Mqrius	Tril: Fair enough	[21:11]
gilly_	copumpkin no sorry i dont just a unwanted prezzy	[21:12]
copumpkin	wow, lots of shitty presents these days then :)	[21:12]
copumpkin	seriously, who thinks a CVS gift card is a good present	[21:12]
Tril	get your sub-4.5 coins while you can!	[21:12]
gilly_	allways	[21:12]
gilly_	my mum	[21:12]
gilly_	bitch	[21:13]
copumpkin	that's not very nice!	[21:13]
gilly_	and igot some socks	[21:13]
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NASDAQEnema	DeLorean719: quantum banking - my wall hasn't decided if it's broke or not	[21:14]
GlooBoy	;;eauth GlooBoy	[21:15]
NASDAQEnema	wallet*	[21:15]
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unclemantis	can someone send me a direct link to the page that tells me how to install and run bitcoin 0.5.2 from a usb drive?	[21:19]
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MORA\|	any1 interested in indiegala.com ?, for the next few hours theres a pretty good deal going on, 10gift codes for 36$+ :o)	[21:19]
NASDAQEnema	ok I want to buy 6.5 BTC with PPUSD anyone not charging 33%	[21:21]
unclemantis	NASDAQEnema i think it is rediculus too	[21:21]
unclemantis	but not selling, sorry	[21:21]
nanotube	unclemantis: same as usual, only when you run, add -datadir=/usbdrive/to/bitcoin/dir/	[21:22]
neon__	sell 102 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of http://www.thelimited.com/ egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable pm me.	[21:23]
unclemantis	do i create a .bat file?	[21:23]
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unclemantis	and what if the usb drive comes up with a different drive letter each time, say i insert it in differnt computers	[21:23]
unclemantis	wondering if i can use dropbox to store the blockchain	[21:24]
unclemantis	but then i would need an applicaion running that always updates it	[21:24]
unclemantis	:(	[21:24]
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mircea_popescu	lmao, make mysql row to keep user ip, fill it with $_SERVER['SERVER_ADDR']	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	VICTORY!	[21:28]
rawrmage	lol	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	now i know my server ip	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	do not deride!	[21:29]
rawrmage	just in case you forgot?	[21:29]
mcorlett	unclemantis: As I said, Electrum Electrum Electrum.	[21:29]
unclemantis	sigh	[21:30]
unclemantis	but i am using the windows binary	[21:30]
unclemantis	there is no option for telling it where to store the home file	[21:30]
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unclemantis	unless i need to memorize the stupid passphrase each time i use a new computer and be sure i encrypt it	[21:32]
unclemantis	but then that leaves my encrypted wallet on every computer	[21:33]
unclemantis	it has potential but there is no option for telling it where the file is from the command line, you would have to hard code it and then complile it	[21:33]
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danieldaniel	;;eauth danieldaniel	[21:34]
gribble	Request successful for user danieldaniel, hostmask danieldaniel!~danieldan@#64;unaffiliated/danieldaniel. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C5D21E9BDCAE3594	[21:34]
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unclemantis	i am asking in #electrum	[21:36]
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unclemantis	my private keys are stored in that folder that is created right? electrum i am talking about. So if the electrum servers stop working or something i can still export the keys and import then into another client or mtgox right?	[21:38]
mcorlett	unclemantis: Exactly.	[21:38]
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danieldaniel	anyone have any extra btc they want to give me?	[21:39]
rg	this stuff is 'kona blend'	[21:39]
rg	its not real kona	[21:39]
rg	but its still extremely good	[21:40]
rg	its arabica beans + kona	[21:40]
danieldaniel	wuts kona	[21:40]
rg	coffee grown in a certain part of hawaii	[21:40]
danieldaniel	oh	[21:40]
rg	generally very expensive	[21:40]
rg	but over rated	[21:40]
danieldaniel	coolbeans	[21:40]
rg	mmm	[21:41]
rg	i havent had coffee in so long	[21:41]
rg	we've been out	[21:41]
danieldaniel	w00t	[21:41]
danieldaniel	betcoin.eu raised their bet limit to 10 btc	[21:41]
danieldaniel	and I just won 2.6289	[21:41]
danieldaniel	w00tz0rz	[21:41]
mcorlett	danieldaniel: Now withdraw before you lose it.	[21:42]
danieldaniel	its automatic payout	[21:42]
danieldaniel	lol	[21:42]
danieldaniel	and I'm not betting any more	[21:42]
danieldaniel	im happy	[21:42]
mcorlett	Don't spend it all in one place.	[21:43]
danieldaniel	lol	[21:43]
danieldaniel	I won a total of like $4.75, as I bet some too	[21:43]
danieldaniel	so my net gain is $4.75	[21:43]
Tril	and the people who lose don't post to the channel, perpetuating the illusion	[21:44]
danieldaniel	lol	[21:44]
*	rg sennds the bitvps wallet	[21:44]
danieldaniel	lol	[21:44]
mcorlett	rg: Speaking of that wallet, you've got an incoming payment.	[21:45]
rg	mhmm	[21:45]
rg	itll tell me	[21:45]
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mircea_popescu	isn't it the catshit coffee rg ?	[21:46]
rg	nah	[21:46]
rg	thats monkeys	[21:46]
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phantomcircuit	that stuffs like $300/lb	[21:46]
rg	or some tiny type of animal	[21:46]
rg	that coffee is supposed to be really good	[21:46]
phantomcircuit	it's a mammal	[21:46]
rg	its the kopi bean	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	kopi right	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	not knoa.	[21:47]
phantomcircuit	kopi luwak	[21:48]
rg	http://www.sallybernstein.com/beverages/coffee/kopi_luwak.jpg	[21:48]
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brute_	looking to exchange $700 to btc	[21:49]
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brute_	please contact me if you have balance available	[21:49]
rawrmage	please contact me if you have tomatoes available	[21:49]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: LOL	[21:49]
danieldaniel	brute_: how are you paying?	[21:50]
danieldaniel	and don't say paypal pl0x	[21:50]
silvercoin	PAY PAL	[21:50]
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silvercoin	is ur friend	[21:50]
rg	wow	[21:50]
rg	mcorlett	[21:50]
rg	i did not know you were from three	[21:50]
rg	there*	[21:50]
mcorlett	How exotic!	[21:51]
rg	i took you for a typical yank	[21:51]
rg	;)	[21:51]
brute_	i can pay vi WU/moneypak/paypal/wire	[21:51]
brute_	via*	[21:51]
mcorlett	rg: I have American ancestry.	[21:51]
rg	aw	[21:53]
rg	too bad for you	[21:54]
a5m0	rg i sent you a pm	[21:54]
pirateat40_	brute, $700 paypal	[21:58]
pirateat40_	err	[21:58]
pirateat40_	Moneypak	[21:58]
brute_	pirateat40_: that sounds good	[21:58]
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brute_	I'm trying to figure out how to use this otc bot	[21:59]
pirateat40	;;getrating pirateat40	[21:59]
brute_	;;getrating pirateat40	[21:59]
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rawrmage	;;getrating pirateat40	[21:59]
gribble	User pirateat40, created on Mon Aug 1 14:18:45 2011. Cumulative rating 164, from 66 total ratings. Received ratings: 66 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=pirateat40 Currently not authenticated.	[21:59]
salty001	;;gpg eauth salty001	[22:00]
gribble	Request successful for user salty001, hostmask salty001!56963839@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.150.56.57. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/22DAA27ABC2E165F	[22:00]
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rawrmage	;;slap danieldaniel_	[22:00]
*	gribble slaps danieldaniel_ with a Lilliputian accusing	[22:00]
danieldaniel_	;;slap *	[22:00]
brute_	pirateat40: what is the time frame for me to receive the btc	[22:00]
danieldaniel_	;;ident danieldaniel	[22:00]
rawrmage	;;slap	[22:00]
gribble	(slap ) -- Alias for "action slaps $1 with a [synonym [sample 1 slippery moist swollen battered expensive broken shiny oily broken foul-smelling arousing radioactive miniature dirty deep-fried inappropriate rubbery swanky lumpy stunning used] [sample 1 bat "GPG key" Bitcoin midget bicycle pipe AK-47 corpse lawsuit flamethrower slime bottle trout guitar Fleshlight (1 more message)	[22:00]
NASDAQEnema	silvercoin: how much for 6.5 BTC over PPUSD?	[22:00]
rawrmage	;;slap *	[22:01]
*	gribble slaps * with a fancy Bitcoin	[22:01]
pirateat40	as soon as your moneypak is approved its in your wallet	[22:01]
silvercoin	?	[22:01]
silvercoin	do i have a listing up	[22:01]
NASDAQEnema	i thought you did	[22:01]
danieldaniel_	;;ident	[22:01]
brute_	can i just got to like 711 and buy $700 on a moneypak?	[22:01]
rawrmage	;;whois danieldaniel_	[22:01]
gribble	yomama (~danieldan@#64;unaffiliated/danieldaniel) has been on server adams.freenode.net since 12:00 PM, February 19, 2012 (idle for 3 seconds) and is on #bitcoin-auction and #bitcoin-otc.	[22:01]
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rawrmage	lol, yomama?	[22:01]
pirateat40	brute_, sure you might have to split it up	[22:02]
danieldaniel	lol	[22:02]
NASDAQEnema	brute_: not exactly	[22:02]
danieldaniel	meant to join on my bouncer	[22:02]
danieldaniel	;;ident	[22:02]
gribble	You are identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[22:02]
rawrmage	;;whois rawrmage	[22:02]
gribble	Ryan K (~servnix@#64;pdpc/supporter/student/rawrmage) has been on server asimov.freenode.net since 10:54 PM, February 09, 2012 (idle for 0 seconds) and is voiced on bitcoin-otc and is also on #bitcoin-games, #bitcoin-auction, and #bitcoin-otc-ratings.	[22:02]
rawrmage	wow	[22:02]
rawrmage	spooky	[22:02]
pirateat40	;;whois pirateat40	[22:02]
rawrmage	;;whois pirateat40	[22:02]
gribble	pirateat40 (~pirateat4@#64;unaffiliated/pirateat40) has been on server asimov.freenode.net since 11:45 AM, February 19, 2012 (idle for 6 seconds) and is on #bitcoin-otc.	[22:02]
chmod755	;;whois manipulator	[22:04]
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chmod755	There is no manipulator on freenode.	[22:04]
rawrmage	lol	[22:04]
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*	gribble gives voice to btcbuy	[22:04]
rawrmage	;;whois mrm	[22:04]
gribble	86.166.89.76 - http://webchat.freenode.net (56a6594c@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.166.89.76) has been on server rowling.freenode.net since 11:03 AM, February 19, 2012 (idle for 8 minutes and 3 seconds) and isn't on any non-secret channels.	[22:04]
rawrmage	!	[22:04]
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NASDAQEnema	;;whois NASDAQEnema	[22:05]
gribble	NASDAQ Enema (tom@#64;c-50-133-243-237.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) has been on server pratchett.freenode.net since 10:15 PM, February 18, 2012 (idle for 1 second) and is on #bitcoin-otc-ratings, #bitcoin-auction, #bitcoin-games, #bitcoin, and #bitcoin-otc.	[22:05]
rawrmage	TOM	[22:05]
njstein	;;whois njstein	[22:05]
rawrmage	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVutJoRGKr4	[22:05]
danieldaniel	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64565	[22:05]
danieldaniel	:O	[22:05]
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njstein	aww it only lists the btc channels you're on	[22:07]
silvercoin	crap I do	[22:07]
silvercoin	;;eauth silvercoin	[22:07]
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NASDAQEnema	danieldaniel: old posting is old	[22:07]
danieldaniel	?	[22:08]
NASDAQEnema	the android tablet	[22:08]
danieldaniel	what about it?	[22:08]
danieldaniel	'	[22:08]
danieldaniel	that was today	[22:08]
NASDAQEnema	silvercoin: so r u selling bitcoins	[22:08]
NASDAQEnema	no it was posted 60 days ago	[22:08]
danieldaniel	Today at 07:59:11 PM	[22:09]
danieldaniel	...	[22:09]
NASDAQEnema	http://www.coinconnect.org/blog/view/174/coinconnect-is-giving-away-a-free-google-android-tablet-to-one-of-the-first-200-people-to-register-an-account-and-setup-a-profile	[22:09]
NASDAQEnema	^60 days ago	[22:09]
nanotube	njstein: it lists the channels that you share with gribble. since gribble runs the whois, and default network settings are such that it doesn't reveal channels people are on that you wouldn't know about.	[22:09]
danieldaniel	its not that one	[22:09]
silvercoin	No sorry	[22:09]
NASDAQEnema	it links to that one	[22:09]
rawrmage	NASDAQEnema: "Members (163)"	[22:10]
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rawrmage	they still don't have 200 members yet	[22:10]
NASDAQEnema	shit	[22:10]
*	gribble gives voice to BTCHero	[22:10]
NASDAQEnema	:)	[22:10]
danieldaniel	oh then that is stupiid	[22:10]
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danieldaniel	after 60 days?	[22:10]
danieldaniel	XD	[22:10]
njstein	what's a tablet	[22:11]
njstein	besides an oversized smartphone that can't make phonecalls	[22:11]
BTCHero	pill	[22:11]
rawrmage	http://www.coinconnect.org/profile/danieldaniel nice pic	[22:11]
NASDAQEnema	it's something you take so you can see pretty colors	[22:11]
synapse	"sent from a real computer."	[22:11]
njstein	that's a tab	[22:12]
danieldaniel	yeah	[22:12]
danieldaniel	i literally	[22:12]
danieldaniel	googled random shit	[22:12]
danieldaniel	and downloaded the first one	[22:12]
danieldaniel	:)	[22:12]
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BTCHero	Tab is short for tablet I would assume	[22:12]
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rawrmage	danieldaniel: my profile picture is better	[22:13]
danieldaniel	anyone want .0001 btc?	[22:13]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: http://www.coinconnect.org/profile/rawrmage	[22:13]
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mrmr	someone set up a nice bull trap	[22:13]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: GTFO	[22:13]
rawrmage	lol	[22:13]
mrmr	i feel bad for ppl who bought at 4.5	[22:13]
synapse	is bitcoin for faggots?	[22:14]
danieldaniel	Yes	[22:14]
danieldaniel	it obviously is	[22:14]
danieldaniel	http://bitprayer.com/	[22:14]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: why do I h ave to gtfo	[22:14]
danieldaniel	lolwut	[22:14]
synapse	SIGN ME UP BROSEPH	[22:14]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: CUZ Bronies SUX	[22:14]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: it's the bitcoin church	[22:14]
rawrmage	at least I can spell and write in proper sentences	[22:14]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: I'm jewish	[22:14]
danieldaniel	so gtfo	[22:14]
danieldaniel	kthxbai	[22:14]
rawrmage	what	[22:14]
synapse	I am Jesus of Nazareth	[22:14]
synapse	by reading this you automatically accept me as your lr0d	[22:14]
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danieldaniel	soooo who wants .0001 btc?	[22:15]
rawrmage	the bitcoin church does	[22:15]
danieldaniel	lolno	[22:15]
danieldaniel	its an unworthy cause	[22:15]
danieldaniel	do you actually get donations?	[22:15]
rawrmage	accept satoshi as your lord and savior	[22:15]
rawrmage	look in the blockchain :o	[22:15]
danieldaniel	;;ping	[22:16]
gribble	pong	[22:16]
danieldaniel	,,ping	[22:16]
gribble	pong	[22:16]
synapse	gribble: hello	[22:16]
danieldaniel	oh gribble you like to pong my ping	[22:17]
danieldaniel	you just want to pong my ping so hard	[22:17]
danieldaniel	and then the ping will fall off and the pong will replace it	[22:17]
synapse	I bet the bot likes to stroke your cock and slurp the JiSM from your belly	[22:17]
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danieldaniel	o.l0	[22:17]
danieldaniel	o.0	[22:17]
danieldaniel	ohh hey there little gribble	[22:17]
danieldaniel	get over here	[22:17]
danieldaniel	OH YEAH	[22:17]
danieldaniel	http://bitprayer.com/	[22:18]
Tril	danieldaniel stop flirting with the bot and buy a moneypak from me	[22:18]
danieldaniel	wrong paste	[22:18]
danieldaniel	http://www.spike.com/video-clips/g5p9py/ultimate-sex-noises	[22:18]
danieldaniel	its not inapropriate	[22:18]
danieldaniel	i pwommis	[22:18]
danieldaniel	Tril: I only have, like, 13 btc	[22:19]
danieldaniel	(13.6289)	[22:19]
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seco	since nearly all ppl i was chatting with during the last hours via pm and different channels (just too many) are also on this channel, i just want to say: im afk now for a few hours enjoying some offline-life: Happy trading to all :)	[22:19]
danieldaniel	seco: no	[22:19]
danieldaniel	there is no offline life	[22:19]
danieldaniel	wait	[22:20]
danieldaniel	l	[22:20]
danieldaniel	let me get my quote	[22:20]
danieldaniel	There is no argument, there is pwnage.	[22:20]
danieldaniel	There is no ignorance, there is the internet.	[22:20]
danieldaniel	There is no sword, there is Muslamic Ray Guns.	[22:20]
danieldaniel	There is no life, there is The Game (which you just lost).	[22:20]
seco	oh yes, just type /quit :P	[22:20]
njstein	man 13 bitcoins, you're in the big leagues now	[22:20]
njstein	muslamic?	[22:21]
danieldaniel	that was this guys forum signiture	[22:21]
danieldaniel	signature*	[22:21]
njstein	the hell is muslamic	[22:21]
rawrmage	you	[22:22]
danieldaniel	lol	[22:22]
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danieldaniel	./afk	[22:22]
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dareq	d	[22:25]
rawrmage	e	[22:25]
njstein	f	[22:26]
silvercoin	SCAMMER COMMUNIST!!!!	[22:26]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[22:27]
rawrmage	dareq: do you play world of warcraft	[22:28]
silvercoin	good job dareq	[22:28]
Cusipzzz	linsanityyyy	[22:28]
silvercoin	I see you found us	[22:28]
dareq	:)	[22:28]
dareq	I did indeed.	[22:28]
silvercoin	;;indet dareq	[22:28]
dareq	and I used to play world of warcraft.	[22:28]
silvercoin	:)	[22:28]
rawrmage	lol	[22:28]
rawrmage	that syntax	[22:28]
rawrmage	trade chat	[22:28]
rawrmage	XD	[22:28]
silvercoin	;;getrating dareq	[22:28]
njstein	there's better games for pvp	[22:29]
dareq	waiting for d3 :)	[22:29]
njstein	i still play dark age	[22:29]
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silvercoin	waiting for tribed ascend myself	[22:30]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[22:30]
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copumpkin	seco: there's a length limit. Can you quit spamming the ratings? :P	[22:30]
sagia12g	;;ident saiga12g	[22:31]
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sagia12g	;;gpg user saiga12g	[22:31]
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seco	copumpkin: im doing this privately with the bot, just leave the mirror-channel if its flooding you: its not my fault	[22:32]
seco	but im finally done with my tests: its exactly the max-ength of one query-message :)	[22:33]
seco	max-length*	[22:33]
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dareq	;;getrating silvercoin	[22:33]
copumpkin	seco: or just use a URL shortener for the log link	[22:33]
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copumpkin	but adding one character with every new rating is just annoying	[22:33]
silvercoin	;;getrating silvercoin	[22:33]
gribble	User silvercoin, created on Sat Feb 11 12:48:10 2012. Cumulative rating 7, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=silvercoin Currently authenticated from hostmask silvercoin!47442431@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.68.36.49	[22:33]
silvercoin	griblle stop salcking	[22:33]
seco	copumpkin: it wasnt one character: at the beginning i had nearly a whole sentence left out	[22:33]
sagia12g	;;ask 4.5	[22:34]
gfinn	go read about binary search :P	[22:34]
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seco	so i just guessed a few times wrong about the length...for that i am sorry to gribble, but since he is a bot he might expect something like this :P	[22:34]
seco	following netiquette blame nanotube if its flooding you to much :)	[22:35]
danieldaniel	;;ident	[22:35]
gribble	You are identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[22:35]
BTCHero	seco some of us hang out in #bitcoin-otc-ratings, that is where the flood occurs	[22:35]
sagia12g	;;ident	[22:35]
rawrmage	;;slap everyone	[22:36]
*	gribble slaps everyone with a elegant crib	[22:36]
danieldaniel	are there any other bit coin options except for the polimedia one?	[22:36]
danieldaniel	;;slap rawrmage	[22:36]
*	gribble slaps rawrmage with a simon-pure velocipede	[22:36]
seco	BTCHero: i know, thats why i decided not to hang there :)	[22:36]
rawrmage	istr someone was selling options in ehere	[22:37]
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*	seco feels slapped	[22:37]
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danieldaniel	;;slap seco	[22:38]
*	gribble slaps seco with a spread banjo	[22:38]
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BTCHero	;;view	[22:39]
gribble	#6867 Sun Feb 19 07:28:23 2012 BTCHero SELL 25.0 BTC @#64; 4.8 USD (Moneypak)	[22:39]
BTCHero	slightly more appropriate in price now :)	[22:39]
rawrmage	;;view	[22:39]
yavuz	!facts	[22:39]
rawrmage	;;sell 1 hug @#64; 1 BTC	[22:40]
gribble	Order id 6877 created.	[22:40]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[22:40]
yavuz	!help	[22:40]
gilly_	sell 50 USD @#64; {mtgoxlast} BTC USD in the form of CVS PHARMACY egift cards. smaller amounts acceptable pm me.	[22:40]
BTCHero	rawrmage I'll buy	[22:40]
BTCHero	You must travel to me	[22:40]
danieldaniel	;;sell 1 ssn @#64; 1 btc	[22:40]
gribble	Order id 6878 created.	[22:40]
rawrmage	lol	[22:40]
danieldaniel	;;remove 6878	[22:41]
gribble	Order 6878 removed.	[22:41]
rawrmage	;;remove	[22:41]
gribble	(remove ) -- Remove an outstanding order by .	[22:41]
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rawrmage	;;view	[22:41]
gribble	#6877 Sun Feb 19 12:40:02 2012 rawrmage SELL 1.0 hug @#64; 1 BTC (None)	[22:41]
rawrmage	;;remove 6877	[22:41]
gribble	Order 6877 removed.	[22:41]
rawrmage	;;sell 1 IRC-hug @#64; 1 BTC	[22:41]
gribble	Order id 6879 created.	[22:41]
BTCHero	Ripoff	[22:41]
seco	brrr its not my fault if a bot decided to mirror every message to him in query to a bunch of channels :p	[22:41]
rawrmage	:	[22:41]
rawrmage	(	[22:41]
rawrmage	):	[22:41]
rawrmage	☹	[22:41]
seco	;;slap gribble	[22:42]
*	gribble slaps gribble with a evocative bassoon	[22:42]
danieldaniel	dareq: I want to buy bit coins with paypal...	[22:42]
rawrmage	;;slap seco	[22:42]
*	gribble slaps seco with a foul-smelling trout	[22:42]
rawrmage	apropos	[22:42]
rawrmage	!	[22:42]
danieldaniel	how many you selling?	[22:42]
yavuz	!ident yavuz	[22:42]
danieldaniel	!ident	[22:42]
gribble	You are identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[22:42]
BTCHero	Gribble should limit the amount of times someone can use a command and have it show in channel	[22:43]
BTCHero	per minute or something	[22:43]
rawrmage	;;hug BTCHero	[22:43]
*	gribble hugs BTCHero	[22:43]
BTCHero	also no more ;;hug ;;slap ;;roulette ;;otherstupidshit	[22:43]
rawrmage	;;otherstupidshit	[22:44]
rawrmage	:(	[22:44]
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silvercoin	;;getrating danieldaniel	[22:45]
gribble	User danieldaniel, created on Wed Jul 13 17:27:02 2011. Cumulative rating 67, from 42 total ratings. Received ratings: 42 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 34 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=danieldaniel Currently authenticated from hostmask danieldaniel!~danieldan@#64;unaffiliated/danieldaniel	[22:45]
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danieldaniel	two pings in less than 1 secnd	[22:45]
danieldaniel	:(	[22:45]
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silvercoin	1 -	[22:46]
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danieldaniel	;;rate gribble -10 He scammed me! D:	[22:47]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gribble has changed from -10 to -10.	[22:47]
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danieldaniel	brb	[22:47]
silvercoin	lol	[22:47]
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rg	the machinist is a pretty funky mvoie	[22:49]
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dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[22:53]
chmod755	;;hug gribble and [slap danieldaniel]	[22:54]
danieldaniel	;;hug *	[22:55]
*	gribble hugs *	[22:55]
chmod755	-.-	[22:55]
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chmod755	danieldaniel: ;;hug [echo $randomNick]	[22:55]
rg	someone buy a dedicated server	[22:55]
rg	i need to get rid of thjis box	[22:55]
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scootay	;;guide	[22:55]
a5m0	someone buy this dual xeon server from me, i need to get rid of it too :p	[22:55]
rg	a5m0: we bought two dual quads	[22:56]
rg	with 32gb ram a piece	[22:56]
rg	and 3x300GB SAS 15k diks	[22:56]
rg	and a HP P900 raid controller with 512MB write cache a piece	[22:56]
rg	;>	[22:56]
a5m0	lol raid	[22:56]
danieldaniel	;;ident dareeq	[22:56]
danieldaniel	;;ident dareq	[22:56]
gribble	Nick 'dareq', with hostmask 'dareq!5bddd6bf@#64;gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.221.214.191', is not identified.	[22:56]
rg	the write cache is whats going to help most	[22:56]
Joric	daamn! i might be forceliquidated, twice	[22:56]
rg	but the raid will lower utilization on each disk	[22:57]
rg	whcih is good	[22:57]
rg	its going to be badass	[22:57]
rg	basically	[22:57]
rjb82	did you sell the 5830 from it a5m0?	[22:57]
a5m0	rg i will give you 66.6 btc for your server	[22:57]
a5m0	rjb82, i still have some 5830s	[22:57]
rg	im trying to sell a dedicated server	[22:57]
rg	not a physical box	[22:58]
a5m0	what is your rate?	[22:58]
a5m0	at what is the processor speed on those quads?	[22:58]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[22:58]
scootay	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc	[22:59]
danieldaniel	rg: how much is it?	[22:59]
rg	a5m0: dual quad l5420	[22:59]
rg	i think theyre at 2.3ghz	[22:59]
rg	;;ticker	[22:59]
a5m0	ah, did you get them used? rackable sold a ton of those recently	[22:59]
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rg	daniel: special price for you is 27 BTC	[23:00]
rg	at current btc->usd	[23:00]
a5m0	27btc for how long?	[23:00]
rg	a month	[23:00]
danieldaniel	rg: I'm not actually interested, I was just wondering	[23:00]
danieldaniel	XD	[23:00]
danieldaniel	Thanks though :)	[23:00]
rg	until your next invoice, the total is recalculated	[23:00]
rg	based on current btc->usd	[23:00]
rg	from mtgox	[23:00]
ageis	typical, not interested j/w	[23:01]
Joric	looks like the harder S3052 predicts 3.6-3.8 the bigger the price	[23:01]
yavuz	!eregister yavuz B2BB67DB8882E7DD	[23:01]
Joric	today he predicted $2	[23:01]
danieldaniel	wait	[23:01]
rg	ageis: i deal with 100's of window shoppers every week	[23:01]
danieldaniel	oh, nvm	[23:01]
rg	its ok	[23:01]
rg	i doit too	[23:01]
danieldaniel	wow the btc price went up	[23:01]
danieldaniel	lol	[23:01]
danieldaniel	4.37	[23:01]
danieldaniel	:D	[23:01]
rg	yeah, 4.40	[23:01]
danieldaniel	oh	[23:01]
rg	itll get back to 5	[23:01]
danieldaniel	had to refresh	[23:01]
rg	but i dont know about 6-6.75	[23:01]
Joric	i'm 5:1 leveraged on short position	[23:01]
silvercoin	I don't think it will go under $4.00 this month but who knows	[23:02]
rg	silvercoin: ill drink to that	[23:02]
jine	;;ticker	[23:02]
rg	heres to hoping	[23:02]
rg	;)	[23:02]
jine	gribble: ?!	[23:02]
jine	gribble: ;;ticker	[23:02]
jine	Ah, PM...	[23:02]
chmod755	yavuz: you created your pgp key today?	[23:02]
rg	jine stop being a noob	[23:02]
rg	!	[23:02]
yavuz	chmod755: yes, few minutes ago	[23:02]
danieldaniel	so is anyone else selling for paypal?	[23:03]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[23:03]
danieldaniel	lol	[23:03]
dareq	I am	[23:03]
dareq	;)	[23:03]
danieldaniel	sigh	[23:03]
dareq	don't sigh,just buy it.	[23:03]
a5m0	dareq, stop spamming	[23:03]
danieldaniel	But you said that I would send first, and you would wait a day before you send the BTC	[23:03]
jine	rg: I thought you liked me that way $;	[23:03]
jine	danieldaniel: Yes, i do.	[23:04]
danieldaniel	not you jine	[23:04]
dareq	Yea,like day makes a difference,maybe you use stolen paypal?	[23:04]
dareq	You can chargeback money within 30 days for normal transactions and 180 days for banks.	[23:04]
silvercoin	lol	[23:04]
jine	danieldaniel: Not me? Whats wrong with me?	[23:04]
danieldaniel	no	[23:04]
danieldaniel	i mean	[23:04]
danieldaniel	i wasn't talking about you	[23:04]
danieldaniel	im confused	[23:04]
danieldaniel	OH	[23:04]
danieldaniel	Wow, I forgot that I sent that message	[23:04]
jine	Read what i wrote, and what you wrote.	[23:05]
danieldaniel	Yeah	[23:05]
danieldaniel	Lol	[23:05]
rg	my poor customers	[23:05]
rg	with btc->usd so in the dumps	[23:05]
danieldaniel	PM'd	[23:05]
rg	some of them cant pay their bills	[23:05]
danieldaniel	rg: D:	[23:05]
rg	every time btc goes up i recalculate their invoices	[23:05]
rg	to make it lower	[23:05]
rg	but its not enough	[23:05]
jine	I just earned a few hundred coins as payment for a webdev-job :D	[23:05]
rg	heh	[23:06]
danieldaniel	jine: 16rTENok4ujH8UqzekWyb6shU6kNLiazjY	[23:06]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[23:06]
jine	Or well... "just" == yesterday.	[23:06]
danieldaniel	pay up	[23:06]
rg	all vie done this week is spend bitcoins	[23:06]
rg	i got some dude in here to make our html template into wordpress	[23:06]
rg	he did a pretty killer job	[23:06]
rg	for a very fair price	[23:06]
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rg	dareq: your english is hard to understand	[23:07]
rg	jine: how long would it take to drive across sweden?	[23:07]
jine	Across?	[23:07]
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NemrudDemir	Hey, who sell bitcoins via paypal?	[23:07]
Joric	why it always spikes down for a moment before going up? is there any scientific explanation?	[23:07]
jine	Depends on what do you mean by across.	[23:07]
rg	could you?	[23:07]
dareq	my english is hard to understand? I'm exchanging bitcoins for PayPal.	[23:07]
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rg	wow	[23:07]
rg	sweden is big	[23:07]
jine	rg: N -> S or W -> E	[23:07]
jine	No, it's not big :P	[23:08]
jine	It's kinda tiny.	[23:08]
NemrudDemir	Okay, dareq, for how much bitcoins i get for 10€?	[23:08]
jine	But it's shaped like a penis	[23:08]
rawrmage	lol	[23:08]
jine	With finland being the ballsack	[23:08]
jine	Ignore Norway and you'll see that it looks like a penis...	[23:08]
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Joric	'thepiratebay.org banned bitcoinmarkets account due to "bitcoin is ponzi scheme"'	[23:08]
Joric	i don't like sweden anymore	[23:08]
jine	thepiratebay switched to .se to beging with, and... hmm	[23:09]
phraust	:(	[23:09]
phraust	I have to put behemoth down today.	[23:09]
jine	I'm not sure why they did that, maybe i should take a talk with the previous owners...	[23:09]
a5m0	;;ident rjb82	[23:10]
Joric	because dmca	[23:10]
phraust	ah well, at least the kids will have a gaming machine.	[23:10]
dareq	WTT Bitcoins for PayPal cash. (You get bitcoins). w for more.	[23:10]
Joric	com,org,net belong to icann	[23:10]
jine	Joric: ... i was talking about why they banned bitcoin,markets	[23:10]
jine	damn lag, bitcoinmarkets account*	[23:10]
jine	I do know why they switched domain, i actually asked the .SE abuse person (Peter Forsman, aka. internetsweden.se) what he thought about that :)	[23:11]
jine	He was kinda positive, only negative side was that he pointed out that thepiratebay.se is still runned by thepiratebay.org's dns servers (ns1-4.thepiratebay.org)	[23:12]
Joric	i'm writting their search engine	[23:13]
Joric	didn't talk with them personally though )	[23:14]
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jine	cool (:	[23:17]
dareq	WTT Bitcoins for PayPal cash. (You get bitcoins). w for more.	[23:17]
rg	jine how much of sweden is populated	[23:17]
Joric	is zhoutong able to adjust bitcoinica rates at will? i just realized bitcoinica is a blackbox	[23:17]
rg	is there a lot of unused space?	[23:17]
gmaxwell	Joric: 0_o	[23:17]
jine	As we're now in -otc, anyone wanna prioritize some stuff for me?	[23:17]
rg	jine: BitVPS is annexing 30% of sweden	[23:18]
rg	i just got na idea	[23:18]
rg	lets buy an island	[23:18]
rg	we'll make the currency bitcoins	[23:18]
rg	Bitlandia	[23:18]
rg	nanotube is secretary of state	[23:18]
rg	gmaxwell can have some other pen pushing job	[23:19]
sturles	Where can we buy islands for bitcoin?	[23:19]
rg	you cant for bitcoins	[23:19]
rg	but there are tons of islands for sale	[23:19]
jine	rg: 9 million citizens or something, of which 2 million is in stockhol.	[23:19]
brute_	whats the point of anonymous currency if you spend it in person	[23:19]
jine	rg: and another 2-3 million of that in larger cities.	[23:19]
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jine	rg: So lets say, 50% of the population livs in 4-5 major cities.	[23:20]
ageis	it was a misunderstanding guyz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46751.0	[23:20]
rg	so they wont notice if i steal some	[23:20]
rg	brute	[23:20]
rg	its not annoymous	[23:20]
rg	anyone who thinks bitcoin is anonymous doesnt understand the bitcoins goal/in general	[23:20]
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silvercoin	cash is more annonymous than bitcoins	[23:21]
brute_	the every day person that buys bitcoins	[23:21]
brute_	p	[23:21]
brute_	probably buys it to buy shit anonymously	[23:21]
silvercoin	not me	[23:21]
silvercoin	I buy it to ell it	[23:21]
gfinn	there's no such thing as anonymous currency	[23:21]
jine	nothing is more anonymous then what you make it.	[23:21]
gfinn	that doesn't mean currency can't be used anonymously	[23:21]
jine	if you write your name on all your bills	[23:22]
rg	probably buys it to buy shit anonymously	[23:22]
rg	lol	[23:22]
jine	It's not anonymous.	[23:22]
Joric	ageis, i was going to ask why they don't accept bitcoin donations then realized they don't accept donations at all	[23:22]
rg	brute, youre misinformed	[23:22]
silvercoin	lol	[23:22]
ageis	ah ya	[23:22]
rg	only idiots use bitcoins to buy anonymously	[23:22]
rg	they make up avery small percentag eof users	[23:22]
jine	In either way, please prioritize for me: Wallet, Payment GW or PPLNS	[23:23]
rg	pplns	[23:23]
rg	wallet	[23:23]
rg	payment gw	[23:23]
jine	Ty :)	[23:23]
rg	PPLNS will have the greatest reward	[23:23]
gfinn	rg: nah	[23:23]
gfinn	idiots and extremely careful people	[23:23]
gfinn	because that's what it takes	[23:23]
rg	blc will jump to 500gh within 2 weeks	[23:23]
rg	of going to pplns	[23:23]
jine	rg: Not for me, but yeah :)	[23:23]
rg	THE RG HAS SPOKEN	[23:23]
jine	rg: Lets do it then.	[23:23]
BorGor	;getrating BorGor	[23:24]
Joric	yeah they're carefully opening tor	[23:24]
rg	jine, you should tkae a fee	[23:24]
rg	take .5 btc from every block	[23:24]
rg	for the pool	[23:24]
jine	I don't like fees :(	[23:24]
rg	yeah but who cares about .5	[23:24]
gfinn	more than tor	[23:24]
rg	its less than other pools take	[23:24]
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Joric	selfmade bitcoins are pretty anonymous, well, except the miner's ip	[23:25]
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seco	Joric: you just wrote a paradoxon :P	[23:26]
vragnaroda	[13:33] #bitcoin-otc: < mircea_pope> \| for all whom might be concerned : i have filed a complaint about vragnaroda with the authorities of Niue, which is a tiny island you've never heard of. <-- lol	[23:26]
rg	http://www.privateislandsonline.com/alphonse-island.htm	[23:26]
rg	we can buy that	[23:26]
rg	vrag: hah yeah	[23:26]
rg	atleasth es got a sense of humor	[23:26]
danieldaniel	rg: WTF IS TAT	[23:27]
danieldaniel	that*	[23:27]
danieldaniel	lolololol	[23:27]
rg	its an island for rent	[23:27]
rg	that site has islands for sale/rent	[23:27]
danieldaniel	its real?????	[23:27]
Joric	i like the name	[23:27]
rg	yes its real	[23:27]
danieldaniel	lololol	[23:28]
brute_	yes, you can rent an island for a weekend, comes with a full staff and shit	[23:28]
brute_	its leet	[23:28]
rg	most of the islands come with a house too	[23:28]
rg	generators	[23:28]
rg	satelite, internet	[23:28]
brute_	my friend did it for valentines day	[23:28]
rg	heh	[23:28]
brute_	it was like 6k for 1 week	[23:28]
brute_	all inclusive	[23:28]
MBS	we need to rent one for bitcoin-otc	[23:28]
danieldaniel	everyone donate so I can buy i	[23:29]
danieldaniel	it	[23:29]
danieldaniel	16rTENok4ujH8UqzekWyb6shU6kNLiazjY	[23:29]
Joric	i like those islands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Polynesia	[23:29]
Joric	note how it looks from space	[23:29]
*	phraust can't wait to get to Bora Bora.	[23:30]
phraust	Going to try and help my family build a b&b out on one of the mous.	[23:30]
phraust	*motus	[23:30]
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seco	brute_: the idea behind bitcoin is not having anonymous currency; its having a currency only dependend on the users itself who use it, making "in-the-middle" organisations like banks needless, but having also a fast immediat payment: its just a "p2p-value"	[23:30]
Joric	i'm wondering do they have internet there	[23:30]
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phraust	it's terrible.	[23:30]
MBS	wait these arent private islands	[23:30]
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MBS	they just rent you a villa on a private island	[23:30]
MBS	pfff	[23:30]
rawrmage	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lznr8pjvAv1qii7qjo1_400.gif	[23:31]
silvercoin	can you afford either anyway	[23:31]
seco	it has features which allows one to use them 100% anonymous if done right, thats why often people think its an "anonymous currency", but its not; in fact all transactions are public so every peer can follow its correctness :) - just have a read on the wikipages like https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity if you want to use bitcoin "anonymously" :-)	[23:32]
MBS	lets just rent some PT boats instead and conquer a few private islands	[23:32]
MBS	will be alot cheaper	[23:32]
pingdrive	and then they nuke the island	[23:33]
pingdrive	great idea, genius	[23:33]
Joric	i studied the topic it would cost something like 5 grands just to fly there (to the french polynesia) there's no big airports mostly private planes	[23:34]
Joric	and probably even more to get outta there )	[23:34]
phraust	You can fly in to Papeete, then take a ferryplane to any of th other islands.	[23:34]
phraust	I think the ferry to moorea cost me $60.	[23:34]
phraust	*ferry/plane	[23:35]
paulzag	;;rate samumedic1 1 sold him BTC for PPUSD quick, easy and no chargeback yet	[23:35]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user samumedic1 has been recorded.	[23:35]
phraust	THey had this cool jet hovercraft thing, went like 50 mph.	[23:35]
phraust	and they had a bar.	[23:35]
phraust	but my advice, don't eat the "real american cheeseburgers' the vendors sell.	[23:35]
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njstein	fuck yeah chargeback on one bitcoin	[23:36]
phraust	I don't know what kind of meat it was, but it certainly wasn't cow.	[23:36]
danieldaniel	lolwut	[23:36]
danieldaniel	njstein: your scamming someone or somebody scammed you?	[23:36]
jine	njstein: He didn't rate 1 BTC.	[23:36]
Joric	ah what's the point if there's an internet my boss will nag me anyway	[23:36]
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njstein	oh	[23:36]
njstein	rate 1, not 1 btc	[23:36]
njstein	didn't see	[23:36]
danieldaniel	who wants to host some sort of game/contest tonight	[23:37]
danieldaniel	for bitcoins	[23:37]
jine	danieldaniel: host as in.. what?	[23:37]
danieldaniel	like an IRC channel	[23:37]
danieldaniel	and we could have some sort of game/contest/lottery	[23:37]
dareq	wtt bitcoins for paypal cash(you're getting BTC) w for more.	[23:37]
jine	dareq: stop spamming and use gribble / the order book	[23:38]
danieldaniel	jine: you beat me	[23:38]
danieldaniel	lol	[23:38]
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danieldaniel	oh noes	[23:38]
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jine	danieldaniel: Well... you're welcome to hold the contest in #bitlc :)	[23:38]
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danieldaniel	bitlc?	[23:38]
jine	I could prob. drag in some people to.	[23:38]
danieldaniel	wuts bitlc?	[23:38]
jine	danieldaniel: Our irc-channel for our pool/etc, https://www.bitlc.net	[23:38]
danieldaniel	oh	[23:39]
danieldaniel	ok	[23:39]
jine	Previously bitcoins.lc? :=	[23:39]
jine	:)*	[23:39]
danieldaniel	ok	[23:39]
Joric	who's Atlas? forum blames him for bitscalper https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57422.msg757474#msg757474	[23:39]
danieldaniel	hmm	[23:39]
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danieldaniel	I'm gonna do it in a separate IRC channel	[23:39]
danieldaniel	If i post it on the forums	[23:39]
danieldaniel	could someone give me a vouch or something?	[23:39]
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a5m0	rawrmage, nice gif	[23:40]
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danieldaniel	fuck it	[23:41]
danieldaniel	I'm just gonna make an IRC bot	[23:41]
danieldaniel	lol	[23:41]
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Joric	intersango rules	[23:42]
Joric	s.sendmail('Intersango no-reply@#64;intersango.com',email,template % (emails,pytz.utc.localize(datetime.datetime.now()).strftime('%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z')))	[23:42]
Joric	'emails should've been email instead of emails. What happened is that Python treated emails like a giant CC line.'	[23:42]
Joric	5512 emails were included in every single letter	[23:43]
jine	wtf wat	[23:43]
jine	lool.	[23:43]
jine	All their customers?	[23:43]
Joric	yep, multiplied	[23:43]
rawrmage	Joric: lolo	[23:44]
rawrmage	lllllll	[23:44]
jine	Where did you copy that from?	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	what ?!	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	best typo ever.	[23:45]
Joric	jine, http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/pwf3f/intersango_leak/	[23:46]
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jine	Joric: ty	[23:47]
phantomcircuit	yeah i definitely screwed that one...	[23:48]
dirkdizzler	i don't spell check my emails to clients either	[23:49]
dirkdizzler	whether it was intended for 1 person of 10k	[23:49]
dirkdizzler	i know how to type	[23:49]
paulzag	buy or sell BTC for LR, PPUSD, MP	[23:50]
Joric	i'm starting to understand why big companies hire so carefully i wouldn't like if that will happen in a real bank	[23:50]
dirkdizzler	spell checks is weak	[23:50]
paulzag	real banks don't use python pipes to send customer emails	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	++	[23:50]
vragnaroda	16:48 <+phantomcirc> \| yeah i definitely screwed that one... ← Are you sure you operate an exchange?	[23:50]
rawrmage	burn	[23:50]
phantomcircuit	ironically i actually had a fully functional and tested script for bulk mailings	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	phantomcircuit should now be known as vragnaroda	[23:51]
paulzag	they spend big bucks on people to build systems to make it really really hard to make that mistake	[23:51]
phantomcircuit	:/	[23:51]
vragnaroda	No exchange operator admits to any fault in this market without being beaten over the head with a lead pipe first?	[23:51]
rawrmage	also, good day vragnaroda	[23:51]
Joric	they must be hiring only rainman savants	[23:51]
gilly_	hi anybody selling coins for amazon payments?	[23:51]
gilly_	pm me	[23:52]
paulzag	That's what I liked about you phantomcircuit - the quick and straight admission.	[23:52]
danieldaniel	how do you make a new account with the bit coin API?	[23:52]
danieldaniel	oh	[23:52]
silvercoin	my bad	[23:52]
danieldaniel	no, how do you?	[23:52]
phantomcircuit	danieldaniel, just call getnewaddress with the account name	[23:52]
danieldaniel	Oh	[23:52]
paulzag	leaking my email address won't increase my spam - too late for that... I'll just be extra vigilant about phishing... AND probably change my email address for your exchange.	[23:52]
danieldaniel	so that automatically makes a new account	[23:52]
danieldaniel	ok	[23:52]
danieldaniel	thanks!	[23:52]
paulzag	gilly_, maybe me	[23:53]
phantomcircuit	danieldaniel, actually it's getaccountaddress	[23:53]
danieldaniel	ok	[23:53]
phantomcircuit	danieldaniel, but i personally would not recommend using the accounts feature	[23:53]
danieldaniel	why?	[23:53]
phantomcircuit	it scales poorly	[23:53]
danieldaniel	ok	[23:54]
danieldaniel	what do I use then?	[23:54]
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danieldaniel	hmm	[23:54]
danieldaniel	oh	[23:54]
danieldaniel	lol	[23:54]
boobies123	;;guide	[23:54]
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silvercoin	;;guide	[23:55]
gribble	Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc	[23:55]
Joric	http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/03/0311_madoff/9.htm hi reddit	[23:55]
brute_	pirateat40: thanks again bro	[23:56]
brute_	a+	[23:56]
phantomcircuit	danieldaniel, personally i would do address per invoice	[23:56]
Joric	a japanese took $1.4 billion to invest them into his 'divine yen' currency	[23:56]
danieldaniel	thats what I thought	[23:56]
danieldaniel	thanks!	[23:56]
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silvercoin	damn	[23:57]
phantomcircuit	vragnaroda, anyways i have learned an important lesson here and will actually be changing some other procedures	[23:58]
Joric	you were better without a fee	[23:59]

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