Forum logs for 19 Apr 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: ckang, http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2018#2417106 [00:01]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:27 asciilifeform: ROC-RK3328-CC ( currently building a kernel for it, without the 'evil' periphs ) [00:01]
ascii_lander: ckang: it isn't the only reasonable chinese armtron -- there is also, e.g., 'allwinner' [00:01]
ascii_lander: and 'marvell' (of 'pogo' fame) also [00:01]
ascii_lander: and possibly a few other [00:01]
ascii_lander: i picked 'rockchip' for pilot plant because it wins on price/form factor/nic [00:02]
ckang: allwinner im familiar with, used one of their SoC boards before [00:02]
ckang: im over them though [00:02]
BingoBoingo: I have to say, ascii_lander's visit to this planet was very good for the morale. It puts into perspective that My experience with the orcs is what he has been suffering since landing in the EE.UU big prison [00:03]
mod6: I'm happy to hear. [00:05]
BingoBoingo: ascii_lander: however can confirm the venezolana that does the language lessons is not a fever dream and does exist [00:08]
ascii_lander: not only exists, but serious grade-a specimen [00:12]
mod6: hottie huh [00:12]
* ascii_lander to bed, bbl [00:15]
tidbitnipply: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/74RkS9qs/image.jpg [00:22]
ckang: !!up elevatedgal [00:27]
deedbot: elevatedgal voiced for 30 minutes. [00:27]
BingoBoingo: <mod6> hottie huh << Seriously alive in the head, a rarity in the land of mate crack pipe lead solder poisoning [00:29]
ckang: down with RoHS! [00:29]
mircea_popescu: !!pay tidbitnipply 0.02 [00:30]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hb8Yh/?raw=true [00:30]
elevatedgal: Here to show breasts [00:32]
mircea_popescu: elevatedgal, 0a72a045 [00:35]
mircea_popescu: sounds like alf actually had a ball in uruguay huh. [00:35]
trinque: ckang: listen, why don't you do this all at once. I'm just about to fire off 12 and you bring in two more. [00:36]
trinque: line 'em the fuck up and let them get their brand and be done for the day [00:37]
ckang: lol [00:37]
trinque: not lol, this is a human powered cold storage over here. [00:37]
ckang: because they are complicated and finicky [00:37]
trinque: and I have other things to do [00:37]
trinque: who gives a shit what women are! [00:37]
ckang: danielpbarron doesnt p [00:39]
ckang: i noticed things are more pleasant when they arent upset though [00:42]
trinque: did you ever plan on doing anything productive here, or is this it? [00:43]
ckang: if you have any projects and it fits my skillset i would be happy to take a stab [00:43]
ckang: what do you need done? [00:44]
trinque: have you built your own trb node? used V? understood it? do you have a working gnat? built asciilifeform's ffa? built diana_coman's eucrypt? stood up a gentoo from scratch? fertile ground all over. [00:49]
ckang: ive done linux from scratch way back in the day [00:49]
ckang: the rest are foreign terms to be at the moment [00:50]
trinque: maybe do some reading of the relevant blogs then. [00:51]
ckang: definitely an interesting mix of people here though [00:52]
trinque: then when my finger's hovering over the negrate button I'll have something to think about besides "brings in narcissistic nothing-holes that talk too much" [00:52]
ckang: different from the other chans ive been in [00:52]
ckang: im the type i simply need direction [00:52]
ckang: i can figure most things out if its centered around a specific goal or doing something [00:52]
trinque: alright, stand up a gentoo, and actually learn how portage works, so you can help scrape ebuilds into cuntoo [00:54]
trinque: appropriate right, you're the guy with the endless flood of dumb cunts [00:54]
ckang: lol gentoo is out of my element but nothing i cant figure out, ive built/maintained package repos on rhel/centos and apt [00:55]
ckang: i imagine ebuilds are like makefiles but more package level? [00:56]
ckang: brew recipe etc [00:56]
trinque: yep [00:56]
trinque: package metadata and build/install commands [00:57]
ckang: whats cuntoo btw? lol [00:57]
trinque: the republic's confiscated gentoo [00:58]
ckang: heh pre-systemd? [00:59]
trinque: consists of an ebuild tree managed by the republic's versioning system, V, and a self-reproducing script [00:59]
ckang: seems like a bunch of distros have forks now resisting the switch [00:59]
ckang: im not finding much on V [00:59]
ckang: what the context? [00:59]
trinque: so rather than pulling someone's blessed stage3 every time you want to build one, you extract a cuntoo from your existing one [00:59]
trinque: ckang: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system << read up [01:00]
ckang: crap elevatedgal has been msg'ing me trying to figure out how to upload 1sec [01:01]
trinque: make her wait [01:01]
ckang: hmm so its like a patch ? [01:01]
ckang: but for many things? [01:02]
ckang: oh hashed [01:02]
ckang: hm [01:02]
trinque: it is a signed tree of patches which explicitly call out the hashes of the antecedents, the items to be patched [01:04]
ckang: actually this is going to take a minute to understand... [01:04]
ckang: more to it than i thought [01:04]
trinque: sure, enjoy and read. [01:04]
ckang: yall should recruit terry :) hes a bit crazy but a very skilled programmer [01:05]
ckang: on the old school stuff too [01:05]
trinque: and dwell on that for extant portage, I cannot look at it and know who's responsible for that particular damned line in that ebuild. [01:06]
trinque: can go find wherever they had it in a git repo somewhere else, if I'm lucky, but here, who's responsible, what they did, and to what, crystallized right before the operator. [01:06]
ckang: hopefully they did it right then [01:07]
ckang: or on the right path anways.. [01:07]
trinque: which terry anyhow, terry davis? [01:07]
ckang: yea [01:07]
trinque: lol [01:07]
ckang: poor guy [01:08]
ckang: guess hes homeless in san diego now [01:08]
trinque: !#s terry davis [01:08]
a111: 30 results for "terry davis", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=terry%20davis [01:08]
trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 << here he is commenting on alf's blog [01:09]
ckang: hahah [01:10]
ckang: that 1st comment [01:10]
ckang: hes an interesting character for sure, very smart but also pretty crazy [01:11]
ckang: last i heard, his sister told him to take meds or leave, he left to SD, his van got tickets and was impounded leaving him homeless [01:12]
ckang: 1 sec gonna help elevatedgal real fast [01:14]
ckang: !!up elevatedgal [01:22]
deedbot: elevatedgal voiced for 30 minutes. [01:22]
elevatedgal: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/YzrJJvb6/image2.jpg [01:22]
elevatedgal: Head got cut but have another [01:22]
elevatedgal: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RpCgjFfR/image.jpg [01:23]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803058 << nah, that's not the dao, you'll drive yourself mad. just do the 12, let the others wait for next batch. [01:25]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 04:36 trinque: ckang: listen, why don't you do this all at once. I'm just about to fire off 12 and you bring in two more. [01:25]
mircea_popescu: experience speaks. [01:25]
trinque: has as much to do with how much log these dummies are taking up [01:26]
mircea_popescu: now there is that. [01:26]
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803057 << That is my impression. We outwalked his choice of footwear however [01:26]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 04:35 mircea_popescu: sounds like alf actually had a ball in uruguay huh. [01:26]
trinque: ckang here scurries off in a cuntoo thread because oh, gotta serve the woman [01:26]
mircea_popescu: and i mean look at the weird shit. elevatedgal what are you doing with that hand ? explain it to me, are you saving on nipple or what is it ? [01:27]
elevatedgal: I was just touching it, not trying to hide [01:27]
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803066 << This is how YOU get fucked. Girls just want to feel, aite? What they feel isn't important. That they feel is. [01:28]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 04:42 ckang: i noticed things are more pleasant when they arent upset though [01:28]
mircea_popescu: right. half a face and half a this and half a that and so on. elevatedgal do it properly. [01:28]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803068 << except you won't say wtf you've done. and without some kind of a bio nobody's going to have much to say to you, because on what basis would they. [01:29]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 04:43 ckang: if you have any projects and it fits my skillset i would be happy to take a stab [01:29]
ckang: well i don't want to limit myself to only things ive done [01:30]
ckang: i can learn new stuff, but there needs to be some interest in the subject for me to dive deep and enjoy it [01:30]
hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: I can help, what are you trying to achieve? Changing /home/username from chmod 755, to chmod 700? << i want to make a user whose access is entirely limited to one specific dir. i'm fed up for the night tho', will be back at it tomorrow evening if you still feel philanthropic then [01:31]
mircea_popescu: that's not how it works. you're not in control in any sort of meaningful sense, it's not that you're limiting yourself or aren't limiting youself. with a history people can say meaningful things to youi without, they can't. that's pretty much the whole story. [01:31]
hanbot: BingoBoingo> None may know the timing of the MP... except maybe hanbot... And the idaho girlie... And... << i must regret to inform i have no MP clock, no MP clock at all! [01:32]
BingoBoingo: ckang: I will lend you a +1 rating for a resume, life story, and a picture of a sharpie in your pooper with the string n3gg34Z on your cheeks [01:32]
ckang: yea, understandable, ive just been trying to soak things in up until this point, a lot of the stuff you speak about id need to look into further because i wont even pretend to have any idea on [01:32]
mircea_popescu: ckang, not like there's any rush. [01:32]
trinque: ahaha [01:32]
ckang: BingoBoingo: lol sharpie [01:32]
mircea_popescu: but when i say "hey x, how about you do y" it's based on my understanding of x's history, not something else. [01:32]
ckang: are buttsharpies a thing still? [01:33]
BingoBoingo: ckang: There is history there. [01:33]
trinque: guy's totally open to it, look [01:33]
* trinque puts that in the ckang HISTORY file [01:33]
ckang: haha no no, didnt say that [01:33]
mircea_popescu: lmao. [01:33]
ckang: ive been poked with a finger [01:33]
ckang: and that sent me about a foot up [01:33]
mircea_popescu: !#s THE STAIN, IT REMAINS [01:33]
a111: 0 results for "THE STAIN, IT REMAINS", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=THE%20STAIN%2C%20IT%20REMAINS [01:33]
ckang: unexpected [01:33]
BingoBoingo: ckang: What makes your pooper so special? Petroleum jelly is a thing [01:33]
mircea_popescu: i coulda swore we had that in there. [01:33]
ckang: BingoBoingo: i suppose, up until this point its been unidirectional [01:34]
ckang: i mean thats what may separate it from other anus' (not necessarily yalls) [01:34]
BingoBoingo: ckang: That leaks information. You never tried out for the wrestling team! [01:35]
BingoBoingo: *wrasslin' [01:35]
ckang: checking the oil ? [01:35]
ckang: lol [01:35]
ckang: but no, never wrestled, played ice hockey instead [01:35]
mircea_popescu: that's one thing you got in common with mod6 then. [01:36]
BingoBoingo: Ouch, that's awfully square [01:36]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803105 << which terry is this ? davis ? [01:36]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 05:05 ckang: yall should recruit terry :) hes a bit crazy but a very skilled programmer [01:36]
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea, danielpbarron reminded me of him slightly [01:36]
mircea_popescu: !#s templeos [01:36]
a111: 46 results for "templeos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=templeos [01:36]
BingoBoingo: hanbot: There was one week where Qntra and Trilema had a weird menstrual sync going on [01:36]
trinque: https://archive.is/dzLAi << "You will talk with God and have daily prayer. Eventually, you will kill." [01:38]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803122 << sad. i thought he had his own place for some reason. [01:38]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 05:12 ckang: last i heard, his sister told him to take meds or leave, he left to SD, his van got tickets and was impounded leaving him homeless [01:38]
trinque: latest templeos.org I can empathize with that [01:38]
ckang: mircea_popescu: his parents kicked him out for being a bit racist [01:38]
ckang: and its been downhill since [01:38]
ckang: was living in a van for some months, then he lost the van. [01:39]
mircea_popescu: "We live in a castrated dog oppressed world with way too many hellish dog catchers." [01:39]
trinque: guy's probably fine and just genuinely hates everyone enough to have gotten weird not communicating. [01:39]
BingoBoingo: Yo esperando por una foto. ckang when will you stop projecting onto Terry and address your own coyness? [01:39]
ckang: coyness about what? [01:40]
mircea_popescu: "King Terry is, now, recruiting the Original Catholic brand Templar Knights. Send email to tdavis@templeos.org." [01:40]
BingoBoingo: ckang: Your story and your pooper [01:40]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you soy esperando una / espero una. no por and verbs change in spanish! [01:40]
ckang: haha [01:40]
mod6: <+ckang> but no, never wrestled, played ice hockey instead << right on :] [01:40]
ckang: i can tell you about the time a finger got poked into it if you really want [01:40]
ckang: but didnt think you wanted to hear that [01:40]
mircea_popescu: Visit the TempleOS chat room. << holy shit, he got an irc now ? [01:41]
ckang: or well, ive never been asked to expand on it past that point.. [01:41]
mircea_popescu: come on, there's no fucking way he's not been reading the logs. [01:41]
ckang: yea, rizon [01:41]
ckang: horrible net but, he pops in and out all the time [01:42]
ckang: terry would put in 48hr marathons i bet, given he had power and a place to sleep [01:42]
ckang: i heard his stuff may have gotten stolen, he was making vids again for a bit [01:43]
mod6: hanbot: ok we can tackle it tomorrow [01:43]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo, you soy esperando una / espero una. no por and verbs change in spanish! << Finger speed conjugation is still a work in progress. The locals feed me bad grammar habits the Venezolana has to correct. The accent however is servicable. Alf can elaborate when he has report time. [01:44]
mircea_popescu: heh voat is down. anyway, apparently it's not his chan, but theirs. [01:44]
mircea_popescu: https://voat.co/v/Niggers/912231 [01:44]
ckang: here 1sec ill find it [01:44]
mircea_popescu: http://www.templeos.org/Videos/Dianna/LifeAsWife.mp4 in other lulz. [01:45]
ckang: its irc.rizon.net #templeos [01:46]
ckang: hes comes in to use the bot for scripture [01:46]
mircea_popescu: ckang, his own page linked #chimpire [01:47]
ckang: haha, guess he was trolling, or he recently moved [01:48]
ckang: ive only seen him pop into #templeos but its been a few months, he may have changed [01:48]
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802962 << i would, and have http://danielpbarron.com/2018/banned-from-the-rabbit-hole/ [01:48]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 03:33 tidbitnipply: Oh please, he wouldn't tell me that in person [01:48]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: When are you visiting the oriental republic? [01:49]
danielpbarron: probably not soon [01:49]
BingoBoingo: You'd probably be well off waiting till december [01:49]
BingoBoingo: If you want Brasileras. Or second half of January if you want Jew gurlz. [01:50]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, so, are you getting ordained in the true church ? [01:51]
danielpbarron: ordained as what? [01:53]
mircea_popescu: they have some kind of priesthood no ? [01:53]
danielpbarron: nope [01:53]
danielpbarron: we are all saints [01:54]
danielpbarron: there could be a leader but he has to have exactly 1 wife, and at least one child all of whom must believe [01:54]
ckang: hmm, so to be in your church guys need to let their wives fuck the leader? [01:55]
danielpbarron: at least 2 children, i mispoke [01:55]
mircea_popescu: so your plan for the ~rest of your life is to sit on a patch of dirt in ok and basically wait ? [01:55]
danielpbarron: ckang, no! that would be adultery [01:56]
ckang: before they are married ? [01:56]
ckang: ohhh [01:56]
ckang: they will have 2 children [01:56]
ckang: but the "one child all of whom must believe" thing [01:56]
ckang: i read as 'one child with all who believe' [01:57]
mircea_popescu: ohohoh. saucy. [01:57]
mircea_popescu: "you can only be the leader if you have a child with everybody!" [01:57]
ckang: lol poor guy [01:57]
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/VmPBG in other lulz. [01:58]
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, my plan is to serve God, other than that idk [01:58]
ckang: queen bee situation [01:58]
trinque: mircea_popescu: the patch of dirt and wait was exactly my idiot mother's plan [01:59]
mircea_popescu: works a LOT better for women. [01:59]
trinque: rapture's coming, what's there to do but be PURE until we ascend [02:00]
trinque: women work a lot better when not listened to [02:00]
mircea_popescu: well, the pure sort, certainly. [02:00]
ckang: a mute would be ideal ? [02:01]
ckang: or do you want them to be able to speak sometimes [02:01]
trinque: I speak to my woman all the time brain parts and mouth parts work fine [02:02]
ckang: lol just noticed, 1:37 AM <elevatedgal> f u all [02:02]
mircea_popescu: aww. [02:02]
ckang: can we get them without emotion too trinque ? [02:02]
trinque: I think mircea_popescu is the one to talk to about that firmware upgrade [02:03]
mircea_popescu: me ?! [02:03]
trinque: no? [02:03]
mircea_popescu: i write fucking poetry ffs! [02:04]
ckang: so would a 'fuckhole/baby vessel' best describe your ideal woman ? [02:04]
trinque: lol! [02:04]
ckang: oh and /cleaning machine [02:04]
ckang: p [02:04]
trinque: maybe I should've said "obeyed" instead of "listened to" [02:04]
* trinque ftr has no babies. [02:05]
ckang: my sister has 2 inside her now, her 1st pregnancy [02:05]
ckang: and they are huge apparently for their age but the last 8 weeks they gain 1lb/week [02:06]
* ckang glad hes not her [02:06]
mircea_popescu: twins rarely reach 3kgs each (which is the normal weight of humans at birth). so more like 5ish. [02:07]
* trinque 's stepmom had twins, looks downright miserable [02:07]
ckang: they are 4lbs now [02:08]
ckang: I was an ounce shy of 10lb [02:08]
ckang: so maybe somewhere around that [02:08]
ckang: fortunately shes 6' so they have some extra space [02:09]
trinque: anyhow I don't think much about the ideal woman, people don't come that way [02:10]
mircea_popescu: dude check out that place, they supersized babies also. [02:10]
trinque: gotta be either that they're coming out fat, or the hormones [02:10]
trinque: non-exclusive or [02:10]
mircea_popescu: anyway, macrosomia is a serious health risk. mostly for the mother, but not really great for the baby either. [02:10]
ckang: oh not fat, i was a tall baby though [02:11]
ckang: yea they said twins are more likely to come early so any day/week now almost [02:11]
trinque: my noggin got stuck, did some damage on my way down the chute [02:12]
mircea_popescu: trinque, shoulders, no ? [02:12]
trinque: evolution didn't give a damn when standing upright came along. [02:12]
ckang: they didnt even try on me apparently, doctor told her the shoulders wouldnt fit through [02:12]
trinque: nah, I'm told my head wasn't as squashy as they often are [02:12]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha [02:13]
ckang: lol [02:13]
mircea_popescu: this, my dear friend, MAY BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE FUTURE [02:13]
trinque: ahaha youdontsay.jpg [02:13]
ckang: thankfully i will never get to experience passing a 10lb child out from my insides [02:17]
* trinque would collect a whole household full of women like the girl he has now [02:19]
trinque: and yeah ckang, she talks to me even [02:19]
trinque: but NOT ABOUT HER [02:19]
ckang: ah thats good lol, would be pretty awkward if she didnt, for me anyways [02:20]
trinque: I dunno, we sit in silence and read too [02:20]
ckang: yea thats healthy, being comfortable with silence [02:20]
ckang: many arent [02:21]
* trinque -> bed [02:24]
ckang: nn [02:24]
spyked: huh, almost missed http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-18#1802081 <-- thank you! will toast wine from ol' family vine later to honour this. [05:42]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-18 17:10 mircea_popescu: there we go. mazel tov and spyked ave1 lobbes permit me to congratulate you an' to wish you long&happy tenure. [05:42]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802891 <-- /me would love to, but is short on coin atm. will weigh this again in a few months from now if still available. and I still wanna buy a board for home too, to check out the hardware. [05:46]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 02:50 mircea_popescu: iirc spyked was getting one too [05:46]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1802935 <-- iirc execute bit on $dir toggles whether {user,group,others} can "search" (i.e. chdir to) $dir or access other files within, including other dirs, making this a recursive thing. so this explains the chdir error. [06:17]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 03:23 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot, quick solution is to restrict (and immutable) the directory right above the intended home. << actually, if i do that, it tells me permission's denied to land in homedir ("Could not chdir to home directory /home/username/: Permission denied") and dumps me in... / [06:17]
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803146 <-- this is (nearly?) impossible to achieve within the Unix access control model. it's easy to express "no one but user1 has access to dir1", but no reasonable way of expressing the reverse, i.e. "user2 can access only dir2". must be one of the reasons why namespaces and cgroups were added to Linux [06:24]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 05:31 hanbot: <mod6> hanbot: I can help, what are you trying to achieve? Changing /home/username from chmod 755, to chmod 700? << i want to make a user whose access is entirely limited to one specific dir. i'm fed up for the night tho', will be back at it tomorrow evening if you still feel philanthropic then [06:24]
spyked: also, kinda what got me thinking about the whole "general-purpose os" thing a while ago. POSIX ACL wasn't designed to be very flexible, it assumes some level of trust in the processes running on the box (the Unix notion of "user" is attached to processes, while that of "permission" is tied to files) [06:29]
ckang: but, SELinux :( [07:15]
ckang: what are you trying to do exactly? [07:16]
ckang: you can do the user limited to one dir but it would require chroot + copy of binaries or a R/O mount of the binaries linked inside but that shit gets messy [07:44]
ckang: nowadays with docker and such its way easier to spin something up thats isolated and getting the networking control for the container [07:45]
mod6: mornin' TMSR~ [11:39]
lobbes: mornin' mod6 [11:41]
mod6: How goes today lobbes? [11:42]
lobbes: ah can't complain. Trying to get logbot up and running (was able to successfully press the ircbot genesis and test it on my local machine the other night) [11:43]
mod6: Ah good! Resolved that seal issue then? [11:45]
lobbes: I did! Was simple as removing the robots.txt from .seals. btw I love the manual you included with yer vtron [11:46]
lobbes: very useful for noobs like me to figure out wtf I'm doing [11:46]
mod6: (for ref: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799100) [11:46]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 20:26 lobbes: hm, so I was following install steps for trinque's ircbot-genesis (http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-genesis#selection-167.10-167.39) and it looks like the "init http://trinque.org/src/ircbot" step downloads the robots.txt which, upon pressing, barfs with "INVALID SEAL" eggog >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qHlDI/?raw=true [11:46]
mod6: lobbes: ah! ok, glad to hear the doc was helpful. nothing worse than unhelpful docs. [11:46]
mod6: (if anyone notices any erratum in that doc, please write in) [11:47]
trinque: ah, looks like I need to get the src dir pulled over to pizarro [11:47]
lobbes: ah! okay that was my next comment [11:48]
* trinque will do shortly [11:48]
lobbes: I was having issues with the logbot init step (wasn't pulling the patch into patches) [11:48]
mod6: cool, gonna have a mirror over there, or just the main repo now? [11:48]
lobbes: but okay, I'll just hold tight for now [11:48]
trinque: mod6: main repo [11:49]
mod6: kewl [11:49]
trinque: yeah, it's fantastic to know the people touching the hardware. I'm so far very pleased with the service. [11:50]
mod6: trinque: *thumbsup* [12:00]
ckang: what rockchip SoC board are yall messin with? [12:27]
mod6: ckang: <@mod6> http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-03-apr-2018#2417106 [12:29]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 18:27 asciilifeform: ROC-RK3328-CC ( currently building a kernel for it, without the 'evil' periphs ) [12:29]
ckang: pretty stout [12:30]
ckang: ive been wanting to build a small single port router or inline router that protects ones entire internet [12:31]
ckang: with the ability to do policy based routing over various tunnels/vpns/tor what not [12:31]
ckang: but the typical ARM offerings just dont have the nuts to do openvpn with decent speed [12:32]
mod6: ah [12:32]
ckang: then for a minute I was exploring using the ESP32's cryptography accelerator with QSPI and DMA [12:32]
ckang: since it actually solves stuff fairly quick [12:33]
spyked: ckang, one alternative you can consider is "pcengines" board. plenty of info in the logs. fanless, runs coreboot bios iirc and has at least 2 gigabit ethernet ports. [12:36]
spyked: !#s pcengines [12:36]
a111: 78 results for "pcengines", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pcengines [12:36]
* trinque has an apu2 router over here [12:37]
ckang: this is actually how i stumbled across wireguard initially [12:40]
ckang: trying to find something secure but had performance on ARM based equipment [12:41]
ckang: openvpn is just a piggy [12:41]
ckang: spyked: i think at that point i would go with an intel atom board with dual or quad port from ali, they arent too bad price wise and you dont get stuck maintaining a fork [12:43]
ckang: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Minisys-4-Lan-pfsense-minipc-Intel-atom-E3845-quad-core-mini-itx-motherboard-linux-firewall-computer/32825684280.html [12:45]
ckang: AES-NI support [12:45]
trinque: "yes, let me accelerate your crypto in this black box citizen. hold still." [12:46]
ckang: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fanless-Mini-PC-4-Gigabit-Lan-Ethernet-NIC-Core-i3-security-AES-NI-Qotom-Router-Pfsense/32847784876.html <-- ooo, i3 [12:46]
ckang: lol, well its coming from china so its probably 100% legit p [12:47]
ckang: would be extra components and they are very thrifty [12:47]
trinque: idea that the chinese wouldn't diddle cryptography devices they export is pretty entertaining. [12:48]
ckang: well its on the intel silicon [12:48]
trinque: ah, I thought we were talking about the arm thing, but it goes double for intel [12:49]
* trinque always thought that name for a chip company was cheeky [12:49]
trinque: bbl [12:49]
phf: it's a shame that soekris stopped making their network boards. asciilifeform though thinks they were overpriced, but i suspect it's "not made in china" premium. i have one soekris board with 4 years uptime, and i use another one for the router, which does some of the tricks ckang mentioned. [13:04]
ckang: phf: my worry is being able to sustain enough throughput mostly, a somewhat higher end consumer model cant manage much over 20Mbit/s [13:05]
ckang: and availability [13:06]
ckang: (consumer model router, sorry) [13:06]
phf: soekris was one of those boutique operations. guy closed the u.s. branch (he's scandinavian), and now he only makes high end DACs instead. [13:07]
ckang: yea, those places are typically premium price, but as to be expected, small batch runs are expensive [13:07]
ckang: even being able to buy a small qty of SoC can be hard with most mfg [13:08]
ckang: am curious what those little atoms/i3 can push though, pretty nice package overall w/ wifi and quad port [13:09]
phf: ckang: so i had a lot of throughput problems when i started doing this, back when budged option was to flush consumer router firmware with a linux, but when i built this router i was already tmsring, so it's running openbsd and is more sekuriti oriented [13:10]
phf: i should probably test it at some point in isolation. it would be a pointless exercise though since i don't have a 20MBit/s pipe out anyway. perhaps the value might be "look at what custom board can do compared to this chinese crap", but i somehow doubt that would be the result. [13:11]
ckang: what have you managed to push encrypted on the board? [13:11]
ckang: or pull [13:12]
ckang: i ended up just adding a deb8 vm and my entire router is virtualized now, only lose ~2Mbit off the top (148Mbit) while still only using the tunnel with wireguard [13:14]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803308 << very fucking easy to do, are you kidding me ? system builds the FS tree, exposes / to all users symbolically but only lists permitted files and then for every node in the directory treee only lists those which are either all or user. [13:53]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 10:24 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803146 <-- this is (nearly?) impossible to achieve within the Unix access control model. it's easy to express "no one but user1 has access to dir1", but no reasonable way of expressing the reverse, i.e. "user2 can access only dir2". must be one of the reasons why namespaces and cgroups were added to Linux [13:53]
mircea_popescu: ie if you have / 755 root:root home/ 755 root:root klinki 755 klinki:klinki /sikrit 700 klinki:klinki then user bolek can see all the way to /home/klinki and user klinki all the way to /home/klinki/sikrit. [13:55]
mircea_popescu: and if you want to get fancy you can even reconstruct dirstructure by restating it while skipping invisible spots, so that a path may be /a/b/c/ for one and /a/c/ for another. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, there's 0 high level difficulty here, 100% unixtards being unixtards. [13:56]
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell avgjoe I don't talk to strangers in private [14:08]
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded. [14:08]
spyked: mircea_popescu, okay, but can you make klinki see *only* /home/klinki/sikrit and nothing else? that's how I understood hanbot's problem. I dun see any practical way of doing it (other than by chroot'ing). [14:12]
spyked: anyway, I'm sure that this can be enforced by having all the other users except the "limited user" deny rwx access to their dirs. but this doesn't say anything about the "limited user" explicitly, only implicitly. kinda like in that joke with enclosing the sheep using as little fence material as possible. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: spyked, by making the first dir that's not specifically world-visible or his own whatever she wanted it to make. [14:25]
spyked: (note that I did not claim this to be "the wrong way" or anything. just that in other access control schemes it can be explicitly expressed, in some cases at cost of implementation complexity etc.) [14:25]
mircea_popescu: understand, this model whereby user falls into root because "we couldn't open the subdir you should have" is the lulz of all time. [14:25]
mircea_popescu: "i can't identify you so here's the oval office" [14:26]
mircea_popescu: "you were fired, the way to the vp lounge is to the left" [14:26]
mircea_popescu: and it all came from original idiocy, "oh, to have bash AT ALL you must have access to /sbin/bash or else a copy of it somewhere". bullcrap. look at what apache does -- somehow it DOES manage to run all users' php crapolade from whatever directories. bash can (and obviously should fucking have) worked the exact same way. of course you can run bash from your homedir even if that is /home/users/f/u/c//k/t/h/i/s/l/u/s/e/r/john. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: and even if you think /home/users/f/u/c//k/t/h/i/s/l/u/s/e/r/john is actuyally / [14:29]
mircea_popescu: (which is what is the only fucking POSSIBLE meaning of "set home directory" : as far as ALL POSSIBLE terminals that user springs up, the indicated point in the filestructure is his root. and he sees its downstream and nothing else fucking ever.) [14:30]
trinque: now there's a point. user's shell should just have whatever commands he can use loaded into it [14:31]
trinque: and not rely on a $PATH [14:31]
mircea_popescu: duh. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: fucking path, the hack of all time. [14:32]
mircea_popescu: you know what is the HARDEST, most screaming, wailing and tear ladden item every time i explain unix, the posix model, linux basics etc to fundamentally minded slavegirls that are well accomplished in other fields and can think ? [14:33]
mircea_popescu: the fucking path. and for the very good reason that it's nonsense enough to make gates proud. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the russkis made online-homm3. http://www.lordswm.com/ [14:40]
mircea_popescu: "lords of war and money" lol. [14:40]
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803390 << exactly, that blew my mind. no idea why limiting someone to their homedir should be complicated either. isn't keeping users cloistered like...the fucking reason a "users" system even exists? what else is it for, personalized wallpaper? [14:58]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 18:26 mircea_popescu: "i can't identify you so here's the oval office" [14:58]
spyked: ^ my point in the first place. POSIX ACL was designed from the idea that "all users are equal, except /a/b can be accessed only by X and /c/d only by Y etc.". while saying that "Z can only access /e/f" can only be implemented as "/a/b and /c/d and etc. can't be accessed by Z". and sure, there's chroot, that sets /e/f to /, but in practice this introduces other issues [15:08]
spyked: I can't help but http://archive.is/TRrOE again [15:10]
mircea_popescu: heh. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: assholes. [15:14]
mircea_popescu: mp's morning adventure : the curse of the shapely bottles. [15:18]
mircea_popescu: bereft of female support, i woke this morning among empty vast halls, ruin already gnawing silently in their corners. [15:19]
mircea_popescu: to eat, to eat, but what to eat! there's no fire going happily in the hearth, there's no water splashing on nude thighs unintentionally and aggravatingly, the kitchen's dead and i must have leftovers! [15:19]
phf: a bironian tragedy [15:20]
mircea_popescu: so i pick the yesterday's chicken pilaf, and dump on it three spooning heapfuls of the mango-raisin-ginger jam in the half gallon jar. then a spoonlet of chilera. and then... a small and kinda tired&old but very ripe aguacate. [15:20]
mircea_popescu: i must now retire and meditate in sadness over the miserable fate fate had in store for me this morn. [15:21]
douchebag: !!up Starrrcx [15:23]
deedbot: Starrrcx voiced for 30 minutes. [15:23]
Starrrcx: I have titties [15:23]
Starrrcx: !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/elJkg/?raw=true [15:25]
deedbot: 20063837E6C0CB9F6FAFA48CCF3286C05B1D2494 registered as Starrrcx. [15:25]
douchebag: Starrrcx: you'll have to wait for mircea_popescu [15:34]
jurov: mod6: ack [16:35]
mod6: Thanks jurov [16:40]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/deutsche-bank-fat-fingers-35-billion-usd-payment/ << Qntra - Deutsche Bank Fat Fingers 35 Billion USD Payment [16:57]
trinque: need moar practice with titties eh? [16:58]
BingoBoingo: Defo [16:59]
douchebag: Fuzz via Titties all day long [17:06]
BingoBoingo: In other weird https://apartamento.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-452797695-apartamento-en-pocitos-nuevoloft-con-terraza-contra-frente-_JM [19:09]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803375 << i have ipsec subnets to essentially identical openbsd installs, but egress is to wan. i use pf to route specific things through the ipsec subnets. i've never benchmarked it though. it's good enough to watch an occasional regioned youtube, or pull a torrent at 5mbit saturation [19:40]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 17:11 ckang: what have you managed to push encrypted on the board? [19:40]
ckang: phf: ah if you have a spare board you can run on a local net, i would be curious how it stacks up [22:06]
mircea_popescu: Starrrcx, 8d539ed5. [22:08]
ckang: its become an obsession of mine almost [22:08]
* mircea_popescu waves [22:09]
ckang: even more so after the recent changes in gov policy in regards to information harvesting by ISPs [22:09]
ckang: hi mircea_popescu [22:10]
mircea_popescu: heya. [22:13]
ckang: if you get a min, had an issue with the bots on 1 girl, pheeby [22:14]
ckang: i think it may have been when the code registration issue was happening [22:14]
douchebag: yo mircea_popescu [22:20]
douchebag: im gonna let Starrrcx you're on [22:21]
mircea_popescu: aite. [22:24]
mircea_popescu: ckang, she's not been paid ? [22:25]
ckang: mircea_popescu: yea, i found the !!pay but !!ledger shows nothing [22:26]
mircea_popescu: aite, ima re-add her in next batch. [22:26]
ckang: re: chroot/$PATH stuff, is there any reason not to opt for a container model and leave that abstraction up to a dedicated system? [22:27]
ckang: performance hit is fairly negligible [22:28]
mircea_popescu: depends how you count the hit. complexity hit is significant. [22:29]
mircea_popescu: metaphorically speaking, the solution to spilling some food in front of the fridge is not to attach a mechanical broom to it. [22:30]
ckang: my experience with chrooted/jailed setups has been, overall, messy [22:30]
mircea_popescu: yeah. the whole stygian stable has to be cleanned out. no more PATH and no more bash-style calls. apache style calls. [22:31]
ckang: PATH turns into a a cluster fuck, always [22:31]
ckang: openvz i didnt care much for, docker has been solid though [22:33]
ckang: and being able to control the network gives way more flexibility in limiting what someone can/cant do [22:34]
mircea_popescu: you ever read docker ? [22:35]
ckang: the source? or what aspect [22:35]
mircea_popescu: yes the source. [22:36]
ckang: no, i have not, pretty iffy? [22:37]
mircea_popescu: so in what sense "has it been solid" then ? [22:37]
ckang: oh, in terms of stability and usability [22:37]
mircea_popescu: understand how the empire of idiots' euphemism threadmill works : they noticed that you go by the heuristic of "published holes", and they've adapted to that (because that's what the idiots are all about, "Exam taking", ie optimizing for the measurement not for the variable measured). so, they keep publishing strainers and calanders, except the sort where YOU don't know the holes. it gives you the warm fuzzy feeling that "The [22:39]
mircea_popescu: y're reasonablyt safe, as far as we know" and as we learn better... they just come up with a new piece of shit. [22:39]
mircea_popescu: this is precisely the "crypto progress" of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800039 and everything else. [22:39]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 16:05 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: i take it now that mostly you're skeptical because the nsa was pushing ecc in the early years, before everyone else woke up to it [22:39]
mircea_popescu: usg trying to leverage the fact that idiots stick together whereas intelligent people jwz, into this situation where they keep shitting turds larger than what you can fit in head and so "one man's guess is as good as any other's" and "we don't actually know it's a scam" hurr durr. [22:40]
ckang: purposely or by buying 0days ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu: huh ? [22:41]
mircea_popescu: they WRITE the holes lmao.\ [22:41]
ckang: ahhhh [22:41]
ckang: im surprised we haven't heard more about that, someone with a email or offer publishing it [22:42]
ckang: i could totally see them buying up new 0days and letting them go unpatched for future use [22:42]
mircea_popescu: the sad story of tor is a good primer in this sense. [22:43]
ckang: ahh yea, it was just recently they had the torbrowser svg stuff too [22:45]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ << this is the historical moment when the usg's "technology" machine got killed. [22:45]
mircea_popescu: now, of course they've been pretending like "it never happened" for five years now but then again they're also pretending to be solvent, and militarily relevant, and whatnot. [22:45]
ckang: i imagine to infiltrate a project successfully they need to 'invest' into it before it becomes too large so theres not 1000s of nerds reviewing commits [22:47]
mircea_popescu: yup. [22:50]
ckang: has there been any documented cases of such happening recently? or attempts [22:50]
mircea_popescu: and also they need a certain sort of fucktard mindset. like this : http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/ [22:54]
mircea_popescu: ckang, what's your standard for "documented" ? [22:54]
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think, it's 9x% the function of nsa, trolling on github all day. [22:54]
ckang: just someone publicly calling someone out at trying to inject malicious code into a project [22:54]
mircea_popescu: think about it -- the sort of people who'd publish idiotic crap a la tor docker etc LIKE the meat injection. and the sort of people who'd protest don't get involved with that. [22:55]
ckang: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I5HQ0yxC/templedongOSxxx.png :) [22:56]
ckang: one of my favs [22:56]
mircea_popescu: hey. [22:56]
mircea_popescu: he is right, though. [22:56]
douchebag: !!up Starrrcx [22:57]
deedbot: Starrrcx voiced for 30 minutes. [22:57]
Starrrcx: https://i.imgur.com/YeUNHDM.jpg [22:57]
douchebag: lmfao [22:58]
mircea_popescu: !!pay Starrrcx [22:58]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KWeTR/?raw=true [22:58]
mircea_popescu: Starrrcx, so what do you think of bitcoin ? [22:58]
Starrrcx: internet money [22:59]
mircea_popescu: well sure. but i mean... how's it sound to you ? [23:00]
Starrrcx: i dont have much of an opinion besides it being money can you tell me more about it? [23:02]
mircea_popescu: notrly much more than what's already at http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ [23:03]
Starrrcx: i hear the price on it went crazy high since it was started [23:06]
mircea_popescu: it did. [23:06]
Starrrcx: how high will it go [23:06]
douchebag: mircea_popescu: was her photo valid? [23:08]
mircea_popescu: whose ? [23:09]
douchebag: Starrrcx: [23:09]
douchebag: you only did !!pay Starrrcx [23:09]
mircea_popescu: oh oh [23:10]
mircea_popescu: !!pay Starrrcx 0.02 [23:10]
mircea_popescu: ty [23:10]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CKb59/?raw=true [23:10]
douchebag: mircea_popescu: Safe to say this is the oldest participant in the "i will pay for your tits" campaign [23:10]
douchebag: eh? [23:10]
mircea_popescu: possibly, yeah. how old are you Starrrcx ? [23:11]
Starrrcx: im 72 years young [23:11]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: elaborate on "apache calls"? [23:13]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-19#1803392 [23:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-19 18:29 mircea_popescu: and it all came from original idiocy, "oh, to have bash AT ALL you must have access to /sbin/bash or else a copy of it somewhere". bullcrap. look at what apache does -- somehow it DOES manage to run all users' php crapolade from whatever directories. bash can (and obviously should fucking have) worked the exact same way. of course you can run bash from your homedir even if that is /home/users/f/u/c//k/t/h/i/s/l/u/s/e/r/john. [23:13]
mircea_popescu: Starrrcx, yeah, i think you're the years young-est person in there. [23:14]
douchebag: lol [23:22]
esthlos: hanbot: said I'd get back to you: getting mp-wp running was relatively painless, most of my issues were with LAMP. I wrote down most of what I did here: http://blog.esthlos.com/mp-wp-setup/ [23:36]
ckang: !!up haleyyyyy [23:54]
deedbot: haleyyyyy voiced for 30 minutes. [23:54]
haleyyyyy: Hi, here for picture [Xi] [23:55]
ckang: wait for mircea_popescu [23:57]
trinque: btw ckang and douchebag, withdrawals are being processed midday now [23:57]
mircea_popescu: didn't i see that name before ? [23:58]
mircea_popescu: haleyyyyy, 0f9a63b5 but mind that you only get it once. [23:58]
ckang: she dipped out before she could before but got back with me [23:58]
mircea_popescu: ah [23:59]
douchebag: sounds good trinque [23:59]
douchebag: What time roughly central time? [23:59]
douchebag: USA [23:59]
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