Forum logs for 19 Apr 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
davout: <<< lulzy [06:08]
asciilifeform: 'We hired such a person, and patted ourselves on the back for our proactive decision. On paper, he looked great the reference we called confirmed his prior role and responsibility. He’d even been into Bitcoin since 2011/2012 and had built miners in his room. Awesome. We’ll call this new employee Bob… indeed his real name starts with a B. Over the next months, Bob built and managed ShapeShift’s infrastructure. He did okay, no [08:06]
asciilifeform: thing special, but we were content to have a professional taking care of devops at least well enough to enable our engineers to build upon the architecture.' << l0l!! [08:06]
asciilifeform: hire moar 'injuns' ahahaha. [08:06]
asciilifeform: 'Our server admin, in the midst of an investigation into a $130,000 theft, deletes his two keys, and only these two keys, without telling anyone, and then admits on our call that he did it because “they weren’t important.”' [08:07]
asciilifeform: and, best lulz, [08:08]
asciilifeform: 'Bob betrayed us. He betrayed his privileged position, profiting directly from the destruction of those who trusted him. He stole, lied, ran away, and then after being afforded a period of time long enough to reflect upon his actions, decided to betray us again for a few more scraps in his pathetic bowl. Hackers gonna hack, but it takes a certain variety of bastard to ascend to a trusted position, work face to face with a team, recei [08:08]
asciilifeform: ve a salary and confidence from that team, and then screw them all for barely enough money to buy a Tesla. Oh yeah, and then abandon a dog to starve alone, likely soon to be put down by animal services.' [08:08]
asciilifeform: vorhees was always a scumbag, and it is no surprise to me that his verminous nest is full of scumbags likewise. [08:09]
BingoBoingo: I was told by a commenter it is pronounced Veerhooves [08:11]
asciilifeform: i dun care if it's pronounced 'hoover vacuum co.' [08:11]
asciilifeform: first commenter is also 'usg gold' [08:12]
asciilifeform: 'Should have not fallen for pseudosecurity technobuble talk. Should have gotten second opinions. Should have used established information security frameworks and be extremely suspicious on why they are not being used... ...It is a common misconception that to defend against hacking you must hire a hacker. Perhaps you've been watching that old movie "hacker" and lots of other Hollywood produce too much and believed that crap. In reali [08:13]
asciilifeform: ty, to defend you must hire good people who do information security professionally...' [08:13]
asciilifeform: B3ST PR4CT1C3Z!1111111 [08:13]
shinohai: Of course it was an inside job - Erik decides he needs to jump on the "We got haxxored" publicity train with all the other Bitcoin "companies". [08:21]
mod6: ugh. still beat-down status [10:20]
shinohai: T_T [10:21]
mod6: im wfh today. [11:10]
mod6: im like... 15-18% better than I was yesterday. but still beat down. [11:11]
mod6: at least i can get out of bed. [11:11]
shinohai: want me to send an asian hooker up there to "massage" you? [11:12]
mod6: yes, please. [11:12]
mod6: i feel like someone has worked me over with a hockey stick [11:13]
BingoBoingo: It's prolly Zika [11:15]
* shinohai looks for Asian therapists that double as nurses ... [11:15]
mod6: lol zika [11:16]
shinohai: I think I still have a hangover a bit from the weekend. [11:17]
phf: yo gotta exercise dat shit out [11:17]
shinohai: Some friends I have when the only present I got was booze xD [11:17]
phf: purge the spirits from the flesh [11:19]
asciilifeform: from the dept. of definitely-not-news, [11:31]
asciilifeform: << vintage megal0l [11:31]
asciilifeform: 'GnuPG 1.2.3... If you have used ElGamal keys for signing your private key can be compromised, and a malicious keyserver could remotely execute arbitrary code with the permissions of the user running gpgkeys_hkp.' [11:32]
asciilifeform: phun phakt: guess HOW they fixed this. [11:32]
asciilifeform: i won't even say, will leave it as a jawdropper to the alert reader. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: << check it out, i own this word! [11:43]
mircea_popescu: << and this one [11:43]
mircea_popescu: holy shit i'm the token tmsr racist. [11:43]
PeterL: you have been the consistent most verbose person here for years, you probably own all the words [11:44]
asciilifeform: blackjews.txt [11:44]
mircea_popescu: oh damn, it's just sheer volume huh. [11:44]
phf: (fyi ) [11:44]
mircea_popescu: phf so this is not a complaint, but : i really liked the way the log search worked, because : right now i'm searching for that portion in the logs where i explained that the us blacks are kinda like the jews, demographically, and will prolly get wiped. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: i can't use grepping for this. if it did token join search i could search for blacks jews [11:45]
mircea_popescu: so what do i do ? [11:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is still lulzy, imho, wiped by ~whom~ ? 'pencilnecked' whitez ? [11:46]
asciilifeform: chinese overlords ? [11:46]
mircea_popescu: the pencilnecks don't matter in any discussion. [11:46]
asciilifeform: sure. so who'll it be ? [11:46]
asciilifeform: i mean, folks don't stuff ~themselves~ into oven, no [11:47]
trinque: man, do you not realize how many rednecks there are in this country? [11:47]
mircea_popescu: the great black swamp still fills womens' breats with milk. you don't need THAT MANY people to wipe a 12%ish pesky minority. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: ^ [11:47]
phf: mircea_popescu: so i started working on a proper search, but that takes time, since need a query parser and a query compiler, that's maybe 40% done. but i can give you relatively soon an ability to pass multiple q parameters. so it'll be log-search?q=black&q=jews so that those will stack up, i.e. first grep is applied and the second one is used as filter [11:47]
mircea_popescu: he has nfi because he doesn't live ion the country, he lives in the red square. [11:47]
trinque: no kidding [11:47]
mircea_popescu: phf very nice. [11:47]
mircea_popescu: i'd say a multiparam grep search is already a full solution for this problem. [11:47]
asciilifeform: trinque: i know approximately how many. i also know what they amount to, if past c. is any guide (from waco to mcveigh to the oregon clowns) [11:48]
phf: mircea_popescu: by the way, &from=foo already works, i.e. &from=mircea will only show... [11:48]
mircea_popescu: the past is no guide. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: a cool. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: btw, do we want a wiki ? [11:48]
mircea_popescu: it's an iffy proposition, on one hand it's an obligation to keep up to date, because an outdated one is worse than none. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: but on the other wtf are noobs to do. [11:49]
phf: we need a single page wiki [11:50]
asciilifeform: ^ [11:50]
trinque: asciilifeform: check out trump for example he's easing them back into having good old fashioned political riots [11:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider zee german folk, that law abiding, king and country worshipping cow that spent the middle ages in the WORST shackles of all, not matched by the blacks in the empire of brazil or by anyone since. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: yet after they were accused of stabbing the army in the back, they overthrew the government "without breaking as much as a windowpane" [11:50]
mircea_popescu: and then raped women in the street for a few years, by the thousands. [11:51]
trinque: give it a few terms and somebody will be up there screaming about the lost greatness of merkuh, and there will be hoards of ignorant and angry blue collar guys loving it [11:51]
asciilifeform: trinque: as far as i can see, he's a stage prop for clitler's ordained throne [11:51]
trinque: too easy [11:51]
mircea_popescu: yeah the idea of keeping it tight and narrow might well be best. [11:51]
trinque: just because he knew and dealt with the clintons doesn't mean he likes them [11:51]
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, merkuh! the land that sunk when they took ur jerbz. fabulous. you came up with it ? [11:51]
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'american hitler' thing's been forecast for ~80y [11:51]
asciilifeform: some reason keeps not happennin'. [11:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hitler dun really enter into this. [11:52]
mircea_popescu: there's a very specific, well known problem of minorities in a specific percentage with specific societal differences. [11:52]
asciilifeform: i know of no precedent for dalit exterminations [11:52]
mircea_popescu: hitler has ~nothing with czechs obliterating gypsies, nor milosevic with serbs obliterating croats etc. [11:53]
asciilifeform: who will shovel the shit ? [11:53]
mircea_popescu: you know of no precedent ?! [11:53]
trinque: mircea_popescu: dunno where "merkuh" came from [11:53]
mircea_popescu: google salem witch trials [11:53]
trinque: emergent slur!!11 [11:53]
gribble: Salem witch trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <> Salem Witch Trials - Facts & Summary - <> The Trials - Salem Witch Museum: <> [11:53]
mircea_popescu: no hitler there, either. [11:53]
asciilifeform: no class extermination there either ? [11:53]
asciilifeform: just buncha old broads gettin' cooked [11:54]
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'no precedent' != 'can't happen' [11:55]
asciilifeform: just means it won't happen ~for the stated historical reason~ [11:55]
trinque: you should go to a shitty bar in TX sometime [11:55]
trinque: outside the major cities [11:55]
asciilifeform: trinque: what do i look for there ? [11:56]
asciilifeform: an old brass spittoon ? [11:56]
asciilifeform: a hog-fucker named Slim ? [11:56]
trinque: lol [11:56]
asciilifeform: 'they were soooooowwz!111 judge!111' [11:57]
mircea_popescu: what is your idea of class ? [11:57]
trinque: you let the federal system fade a bit, and I think there are plenty of roughneck "good old boys" that'll step up and do the killing [11:58]
mircea_popescu: all that's needed is specified physical characteristics that make most of the population ontologically secure. [11:58]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gypsies yes, street-sweepers no [11:58]
mircea_popescu: "wrinkled old broads" "dudes with colored skin" "circumcised and hooknosed" work well. [11:58]
asciilifeform: wrinkled broad or hooknosed dude have ~something to steal~ [11:59]
asciilifeform: what do you take from the coloured dude [11:59]
mircea_popescu: this has ~ nothing to do with anything. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: people don't kill for money. [11:59]
asciilifeform: but it demonstrably did at salem [11:59]
asciilifeform: and in germany. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: only if you're insane, "demonstrably". [11:59]
mircea_popescu: coincidentally. [11:59]
asciilifeform: the folks who stoked the initial flame, they stood to gain. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: looky, this is nothing more than trying to make reality less abrasive by proposing that "we're not really so different". [12:00]
mircea_popescu: "we" are, you and them. [12:00]
asciilifeform: waiwut [12:00]
mircea_popescu: what did lenin stand to gain ? [12:00]
asciilifeform: pretty obvious what [12:01]
mircea_popescu: random beerhall aggitator / painter / corporal stood to gain a prison sentence [12:01]
mircea_popescu: which he gained. [12:01]
asciilifeform: relevance, caviar, chix [12:01]
mircea_popescu: pretty retrospective-obvious, man. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why you have so much trouble with the flux of time. [12:01]
mircea_popescu: it really isn't fucking reversible already. [12:01]
asciilifeform: prolly because unlike mircea_popescu i am not a demigod living outside of time..? [12:01]
mircea_popescu: vice-versa. unlike mp, you pretend to be one. [12:01]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what do you take from the coloured dude << Your neighborhood's value. [12:02]
mircea_popescu: also they're the only ones with children. [12:03]
mircea_popescu: in all of this, anyone actually have a link to the discussion in question ? [12:05]
mircea_popescu: i still can't fucking find it. [12:05]
BingoBoingo: Really entire departments of USG would become unneessary. [12:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: [12:08]
a111: Logged on 2014-10-01 11:58 mircea_popescu: if i were black in the us i would be fucking worried for my children. being ~10% of the population and >50% of the public discourse is how the hasidim suddenly disappeared from history. [12:08]
asciilifeform: later tell phf pleeeze can haz compatibility with old date format ?? [12:08]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: tyvm [12:08]
asciilifeform: srsly this took me 10 min [12:08]
asciilifeform: and is entirely unnecessary [12:08]
mircea_popescu: memory is a harsh mistress [12:08]
asciilifeform: i motherfucking hate this iso thing. [12:09]
asciilifeform: it has ZERO justification. [12:09]
asciilifeform: iso is not in my wot. [12:09]
trinque: you don't want the numbers in order of magnitude? [12:09]
trinque: wat? [12:09]
asciilifeform: i want SAME FORMAT AS BEFORE [12:09]
trinque: oh whatever [12:09]
asciilifeform: what part of this is hard to understand. [12:09]
trinque: "we've always done this" [12:09]
asciilifeform: yes. [12:09]
asciilifeform: and there was nothing wrong with it. [12:09]
trinque: see: x86 [12:10]
asciilifeform: x86 is clinically retarded [12:10]
asciilifeform: the old format was HARMLESS [12:10]
asciilifeform: NOT comparable. [12:10]
asciilifeform: srsly. [12:11]
asciilifeform: show me ~something~ useful you were unable to do on account of the old format. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: you don't get "same as before". [12:11]
mircea_popescu: you get "same as logical". sorry! [12:11]
asciilifeform: how is this crapolade 'logical' ? [12:11]
mircea_popescu: in-order-of-magnitude. [12:11]
asciilifeform: why not epochal date then. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: that's his choice isn't it ? [12:12]
asciilifeform: sure. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: so that's why : phf did it this way. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: but in general evolution is from tradition to sense, and when multiple sensible approaches are present the owner decides, with or without support from the forum at his option. [12:13]
asciilifeform: at any rate i'll prolly stop noticing when phf's search worx and i can stop using kako's. [12:15]
mircea_popescu: mthreat 's [12:16]
asciilifeform: ah. [12:16]
asciilifeform: yes. [12:16]
mircea_popescu: tbh epoch time prolly a bad idea. for one thing - it is fundamentally retarded in implementation and for this reason not actually usable as intended (see discussion as to why it should be UNIVERSAL and timezone applied on top of it not this random variable). for the other thing, it's not so friendly to humans, whereas the urls are intended and expected to be hand-processable. [12:17]
mircea_popescu: a sort of clearsign for the web, if you will. [12:17]
mircea_popescu: that's why is bad and is good. [12:18]
asciilifeform: yeah but the ~reason~ epochal time is seen as 'unfriendly' is precisely because we are so addicted to traditional calendar, no ? [12:19]
mircea_popescu: no. it's because we have five digits and it has 14. [12:19]
asciilifeform: and i will point out that epochs as implemented in sane places don't partake of the 'time zone' crapolade. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: if you say "as implemented* (in sane places)" you've said "burn this thing down" [12:20]
asciilifeform: nowhere did i say 'not burn down' ! l0l [12:21]
mircea_popescu: :p [12:21]
asciilifeform: incidentally epoch in ~hours~ is 6dig. [12:21]
mircea_popescu: there is that. [12:21]
mircea_popescu: 6 is still too many. [12:21]
asciilifeform: fewer than a gregorian date ! [12:21]
mircea_popescu: ever wondered why it went away ? [12:21]
asciilifeform: what did [12:21]
mircea_popescu: gregorian date. [12:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu been drinkin' or wat [12:21]
asciilifeform: julian - went away. [12:22]
asciilifeform: gregorian - is here. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: / [12:22]
mircea_popescu: that joke didn't work out! [12:23]
asciilifeform: related legend: a very drinkin' fella is stopped by a traffic cop. the latter writes a ticket, and says 'be in the courtroom at 2' [12:23]
asciilifeform: driver answers with question, [12:23]
asciilifeform: '2 AM or FM ?' [12:23]
mircea_popescu: lol [12:23]
asciilifeform: in other otherliness, [12:31]
asciilifeform: ''I don't see a reason to have a x of about the same size as the p. It should be sufficient to have one about the size of q or the later used k plus a large safety margin. Decryption will be much faster with such an x. Note that this is not optimal for signing keys becuase it makes an attack using accidential small K values even easier. Well, one should not use ElGamal signing anyway.' [12:31]
asciilifeform: ^ guess where. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: #delusional-idiots ? [12:33]
asciilifeform: gnupg-1.4.10 [12:34]
mircea_popescu: heh [12:35]
asciilifeform: to which i bolted a cramer-shoup thing, and started out thinking 'i'll reuse the elgamal piece, c-s is after all a variant of elgamal' but nooooo [12:35]
asciilifeform: try and reuse ANYTHING ! [12:35]
asciilifeform: all full of wormz [12:35]
asciilifeform: crumbles when you pick it up, like an old corpse. [12:36]
mircea_popescu: << sauce. [12:36]
asciilifeform: there. [12:36]
mircea_popescu: anyway. one should not use elgamal anything anyway. [12:36]
asciilifeform: or from the tarball, originally posted by mircea_popescu (which is where i've been working from for past yr) [12:36]
mircea_popescu: plox to not reuse in any shape or form. [12:36]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: c-s uses the basic parts of elgamal, hence the investigation. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: yeh. [12:37]
mircea_popescu: google worm castle rations [12:37]
gribble: What Did Civil War Soldiers Eat? - Civil War Trust: <> Hardtack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <> American Civil War Recipes and Cooking: <> [12:37]
mod6: mmhmmm, after an all day march, I should go for some of dat der hardtack [12:39]
phf: any particular preferences if q=foo&q=bar should work as grep foo|grep bar or grep foo.*bar? [12:40]
mircea_popescu: aren't these exactly identical ? [12:43]
phf: well, no first one is going to catch both foo bar and bar foo, the second one only foo bar [12:44]
asciilifeform: 'We have shown that GPG’s implementation of the ElGamal [13:08]
asciilifeform: signature is totally insecure: an attacker can recover the signer’s private key from [13:08]
asciilifeform: the public key and a single message/signature pair in less than a second.' [13:08]
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados. ) [13:08]
BingoBoingo: What about q=Xfoo&q=Y where X and Y are numbers representing the order in which the words were entered into the logs of the channel so the very first word is 1, etc. [13:38]
BingoBoingo: Sorry q=X&q=Y [13:46]
trinque: wtf is this shit [14:35]
trinque: % ssh [14:37]
trinque: ssh: connect to host port 22: Operation timed out [14:37]
trinque: lol [14:37]
asciilifeform: bl4kh0l3 [14:37]
davout: til deedbot is hosted on a gameboy advance [14:44]
trinque: load average is 0.47 on the box, smelly frenchman [14:44]
shinohai: [14:47]
davout: can't unsee [14:49]
asciilifeform: shinohai: you will go on same list i have BingoBoingo on. [14:49]
shinohai: :D [14:50]
BingoBoingo: Come on, Lemon party is an internet classic [14:50]
asciilifeform: goatse also classic. [14:51]
asciilifeform: nonetheless. [14:51]
BingoBoingo: How are you going to live boat when you haven't hardened yourself to the sight of a manatee gone belly up? [15:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun give a damn re the gangrene. [15:12]
asciilifeform: the other folks in here - barf [15:12]
asciilifeform: but whatevers. [15:12]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, pankkake reappears?! [16:21]
* BingoBoingo at this rate expects Jeb Bush to be the nominee [16:31]
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Be vewy, vewy qwiet. We’uh hunting wabbits. - [16:52]
asciilifeform: later tell pete_dushenski [16:58]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: phf ah right. | plox [16:59]
mircea_popescu: << if anyone cares to recommend the fellow "the book" on soviet propaganda... [17:11]
asciilifeform: check back in a century or so [17:13]
asciilifeform: there is not a the book. [17:13]
asciilifeform: for one thing, 'soviet' means at least 4 distinct periods. [17:13]
asciilifeform: as distinct as the roman republic vs empire [17:14]
phf: gentlemen, i bring you slightly improved search: [17:52]
asciilifeform: neato! [17:52]
phf: ahaha [17:53]
mircea_popescu: o hey [17:53]
phf: brb, i broke bought [17:54]
mircea_popescu: :D [17:54]
hanbot: going through the logs, <<->> gonna to stand for that mircea_popescu? [17:54]
mircea_popescu: mno. at the rate we're going s.nsa is publishing a closure statement early may. [17:54]
shinohai: thx phf [17:55]
hanbot: here be dragons eh [17:57]
phf: but yeah, it greps by space separated words, greps by quoted strings (\" escape works) and recognizes from:foo, which composes. i.e. from:foo from:bar baz " foo bar " finds log entries from foo OR bar that contain both "baz" and " foo bar " [17:57]
* mircea_popescu shrug [17:57]
mircea_popescu: phf now that's some power searching. [17:57]
shinohai: later tell mod6 both import and dumpprivkey work \o/ [18:10]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [18:10]
trinque: shinohai: if you're gonna use the wallet, you'll probably want mod6's patch for -lows too [18:11]
shinohai: Already using it ^.^ [18:12]
trinque: sweet [18:12]
shinohai: Got tired of borking wallet.dat's using cruddy pywallet [18:13]
phf: (some things broke from incomplete state deploy, but things should be back to normal) [18:25]
shinohai: [20:08]
mod6: thanks for the update & testing shinohai [21:38]
shinohai: I got lazy on that project tbh but glad it is actually working [21:39]
mod6: mike_c: hey, got thos zocchi dice, and they look awesome. really great edges. i don't have a micromoter or whatever, so i can't really give a good break down at this point. but maybe in the future, will have a more comprehensive report. [21:41]
mircea_popescu: meh. mpex managed to flush the book. everyone is kindly asked to reintroduce whatever orders the had. apologies for the inconvenience. [23:11]
mircea_popescu: jurov ^ [23:11]
davout: ouch [23:14]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [23:20]
davout: deedbot's dead? [23:38]
deedbot: [Trilema] Closing X.EUR - [23:45]
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be, no [23:46]
mircea_popescu: o the - one ? apparently. [23:46]
davout: re i think is a very good idea, maybe BingoBoingo is interdasted [23:47]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 13:08 mircea_popescu: anyone cares enough to see if whoever's left at paymium wants to do a qntra interview ? [23:47]
BingoBoingo: davout, I was kind of waiting on you to be ready. Prolly should come after BitBet business is finished. [23:48]
davout: aha [23:49]
BingoBoingo: Gives an opportunity to establish contrast and your values. [23:51]
mircea_popescu: this boingo is wise beyond his years. [23:56]
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