Forum logs for 18 Nov 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [01:07]
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ben_vulpes: welp, completely struck out installing ada compiler tonight [01:53]
ben_vulpes: tried both binturd from libre.adacore and a portage ebuild [01:54]
ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9 [01:55]
ben_vulpes: okay well *something* is compiling on my closet iron now [02:23]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-17-nov-2017#2365364 << precisely. self-interest is intended to pull the republican cart here. everyone is very well advised to take the matter seriously, do his own research for his own needs and let's see if we can distil it down to a workable list. [10:52]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:13 trinque: yep, I will have to do some research there myself. [10:52]
mircea_popescu: and ideally derive some mutual-support benefit, such as A gets to use B's bios even if it wasn't the top of his list of needs. [10:53]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740123 << moreover, i fully expect we'll be drawing some loser lots before we figure out exactly what we want. "intellectual property" right, "i know which kind of box works best for each of our tasks". [10:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:37 trinque: for the simple webhosting and bothosting cases, of which there oughta be many, max-spec'd machine is not necessary [10:56]
mircea_popescu: eg, originally phuctor box was specified with lots and lots of ram, then software improvement brought that original perceived bottleneck ~in line with the others so overram no longer a critical measure of box quality. and so following. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box. [10:58]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:48 BingoBoingo: Still, calls to it add up [10:58]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740131 << aactually... you can. we did this already, with FUCKGOATS no less! [11:00]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 14:06 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740117 << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: binturds are NOT unapproachable. they are very much as approachable as, eg, reversing ivory/bolix software. not necesarily as perfumed, but be that as it may. [11:01]
mircea_popescu: i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart. [11:02]
mircea_popescu: rather than pretend alongside the usg tards it's an "insurmountable task". it's not. build the tools and spend the time, do your part to ruin wintel and with it the united states. [11:02]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in FG, i signed binturds that i ~generated~ ( e.g. jpeg of schematic ) [11:04]
mircea_popescu: so ? [11:04]
mircea_popescu: a binturd is a binturd. [11:04]
mircea_popescu: yes, yours is already reversed. the others aren't YET. [11:05]
asciilifeform: it's a perfectly ordinary use of sig ( supposing one remembers to write proper disclaimer, 'i sign what i found , from wherever' ) . but not of v -- the diffs aren't meaningful [11:06]
asciilifeform: iirc asciilifeform actually posted a binturd bios once, that he cracked ( for stinkpad x60 , which normally refuses aftermarket nic ) [11:07]
mircea_popescu: what you mean is "the diffs aren't directly meaningful" which is true, but also what can we do ? [11:10]
mircea_popescu: indirectly meaningful diffs. [11:10]
asciilifeform: they carry no meaning at all. change 1 byte and you get a turd every bit as large as the genesis. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: v is still needed to manage the metadata on them. such as you know, the textfile explaining how to produce them and what (at least) portions say [11:10]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the interesting part is where you change 1 byte and you get sony's copy protection in a new package. [11:11]
asciilifeform: so genesis the text file, and it contains the turd hashes. this is what i did with fg. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: i wasn't proposing to treat the binturds as genesis themselves, no. attached exactly in manner fg did it [11:11]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=fg&search= << as seen here [11:11]
mircea_popescu: imo you solved this "i got bins, they're needed but hated" problem correctly, there. [11:12]
asciilifeform: aite. this -- imho is The Right THing. [11:12]
mircea_popescu: right. [11:12]
* asciilifeform brb,teatime [11:12]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there ? [11:56]
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740266 << you gotta post the barf, post the eggog! srsly nobody can helpya unless you post, post the eggog. [11:56]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 06:53 ben_vulpes: welp, completely struck out installing ada compiler tonight [11:56]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [11:56]
mod6: mornin' [12:09]
asciilifeform: ohai mod6 [12:14]
mod6: how goes alf? [12:17]
asciilifeform: slowly. [12:19]
asciilifeform: and you, mod6 ? [12:19]
mod6: nb. been workin on / looking at the privkey tools requests. [12:20]
mod6: buncha stuff to do hehe. [12:23]
shinohai: Afternoon mod6 o/ [12:28]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not stuck yet, trying other things [13:08]
ben_vulpes: but the very very funny event was the script from the adacore binstaller simply fails, and instructed me to check an empty log file [13:10]
mircea_popescu: buh bye [13:47]
shinohai: mircea_popescu was extremely patient with that one ...... [13:49]
mircea_popescu: i guess. [13:49]
mircea_popescu: anyway, this strategy whereby one contributes nothing to the conversation but insists to advertise their name through join/part spamming nevertheless... bad idea, really. [13:50]
mircea_popescu: nobody will like you. [13:50]
shinohai: He had certainly ground my gears for weeks. [13:50]
shinohai: Wonder how the Argentines are doing with their hunt for Rojo Octubre today. [14:07]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/ << Trilema - This blog is now about Bticino, and other coinsiderations [14:12]
mircea_popescu: sorry to disappoint everyone but i've sold all my bitcoin and am 100% bticino hodler nao. this is the right fork guyse as it will totally win the letter ordering debate and is supported by broad letter consensus. see you all @moon soon. [14:12]
mod6: <+shinohai> Afternoon mod6 o/ << o7 [14:13]
ben_vulpes: relevant barf from a failure to emerge 'dev-lang/gnat-gpl' [14:28]
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HTCnr/?raw=true [14:28]
jurov: ben_vulpes: i'd try to disable the cxx useflag (or maybe all useflags the package has, for that matter) [14:53]
jurov: because nfi what gnat needs C++ for [14:54]
ben_vulpes: mm i'll try that gentoo wiki ada page said to make ADAFLAGS=${CFLAGS} ty jurov [15:00]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740326 << what's in yer gcc-config ? [15:13]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 19:28 ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HTCnr/?raw=true [15:13]
asciilifeform: or alternatively, what do you get out of gcc --version ? [15:13]
mircea_popescu: awww y nobody cares about bticino! [15:19]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740139 << nb. [15:21]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 14:20 asciilifeform: back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines' [15:21]
asciilifeform: frabtcino was burned at the stake neh [15:22]
asciilifeform: or was that sumbdyelse.. [15:22]
mircea_popescu: bt~i~cino! [15:23]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740158 << not an actual thing yet, just a very loose spec-doodle of an eventual item [15:24]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 18:52 Ingolfr_Arnarson: And mentioned gossipd was the name of the actual thing. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, RagnarDanneskjol anything re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-06#1733207 ? [15:25]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-06 12:59 mircea_popescu: spend the usual 200 hours/week connected to irc and doing whatever clerical tasks provided. must be native chinese speaker with a reasonable command of english, she's not expected to take calls or anything in it. [15:25]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740172 <<i) [15:26]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 19:49 ben_vulpes: hmac blunder also epic [15:26]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740178 << much in the way usg had a frigate^H^H^H^H littolol combat ship [15:28]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:09 ben_vulpes: lol argentina had a submarine?! https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/americas/argentina-submarine-missing.html [15:28]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740187 << how the fuck does deflating the hedge-fund-masquerading-as-college bubble hurt the fucking niggers being used as enablers ? [15:33]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:44 asciilifeform: in other butthurts, https://archive.is/nw25r >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e [15:33]
mircea_popescu: graduate student just as 100% idle hopeless underproducing hyperconsumer with or without rule. [15:33]
mircea_popescu: $50k a year "staggering ammount", dork wants to pretend like he has anything to say on any topic ? POOR PEOPLE MAY NOT SPEAK. [15:34]
mircea_popescu: go make some fucking money! [15:34]
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4 << "this is over. what are you ? face facts. you're a schmuck, calling himself "graduate student" who shags my receptionist and then wants to sit at the grown-up table talking science. but it's my fault. i aaaalmost took you seriously. please go away! we have absolutely nothing to talk about. you have nothing in your pockets! you are not an agent here. you are not an agent at all!" [15:40]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's 'staggering amount' to the derp who is in the 0% tax bracket today but would theoretically live in the 40% if the discount were to be counted ( as it by all rights oughta ) as income [15:44]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740192 << mit was struck it's only now figuring it out. [15:44]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:54 asciilifeform: not that usd is required to obey conservation of mass, but possibly mit is about to be struck off the list of folx having the crown privilege to make it appear and disappear on command in this way. [15:44]
mircea_popescu: which is the real lulz behind that "decimation of american productivity". usg.blue lost "american" trademark, did not REALISE this lost also tax immunities, and HAD NO IDEA. only approximation is a cow so dumb it only notices someone cut off its legs when trying to stand up. [15:45]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a staggering ammount to the schmuck who fucks my receptionist because i can't be arsed to kill flies yet goes about pretending is human being and all that. [15:45]
mircea_popescu: no graduate student is a person, nor ever was, wtf already. [15:46]
asciilifeform: at this point i suspect the remaining ones are, to a man, chinese coolies. send'em a tax bill, they'll shrug and take it home to pekin when their tour of duty ends, frame on a wall. [15:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740200 << reminds me about that sf piece of alt-world in which time machine was invented but restricted to "academic and research usage", wherein a dude discovers all the "primitive savages" he is "studying" are similar students, they're4 basically studying each other's execution of what they themselves think past wast. [15:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 20:59 ben_vulpes: unrelolted: http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/detroit-police-officers-fight-each-other-in-undercover-op-gone-wrong [15:48]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've known more than one fellow with a "us court conviction" so framed and displayed. amusingly enough, these are STILL produced. [15:49]
asciilifeform: mechanical process [15:49]
mircea_popescu: recently, gave a bunch of chinese intel workers this distinction. it's practically speaking the Order Of UStards are Retarded, first class. [15:49]
mircea_popescu: put it right next to the Legion d'Honneur etc foreign insignia. [15:50]
asciilifeform: 'i have two death sentences from clitler in absentia!' 'but i have three, nyahaha!' [15:50]
mircea_popescu: quite [15:50]
mircea_popescu: some people had from hitler AND dej. i guess none of them will ALSO have from bahamas. [15:51]
mircea_popescu: it'd have made a nice triplet tbh. [15:51]
mircea_popescu: "the all-socialisms chivalric orders corner" [15:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but anyway, no. "graduate student" is 100% the human composition of wikipedia, reddit etc. [15:55]
asciilifeform: it's a massive and varied refuse pile. the technical types are ~100% cn. [15:56]
mircea_popescu: there's the chinese coolies who grad student in places where work is required then there's the poor-but-stupid us-born tard, who graduatestudents where no work is required, spends day being "expert" online [15:56]
* asciilifeform only personally toiled with the former [15:57]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/ is teh word for the bulk of 'em [15:57]
mircea_popescu: (with, of course, the all important http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 correlate) [15:59]
mircea_popescu: THAT is what esl speaker has in mind when saying "grad student". [15:59]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 << dexonline.ro has a large and afaik downloadable db. [16:03]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 23:07 asciilifeform: http://www.free-soft.ro/everest/everest.html has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly ) [16:03]
mircea_popescu: i'd propose it as the standard. explicative dictionary, of course, not "translative" dictionary. this is the correct approach btw, "translation" dictionary is made of 100% sheer nonsense and not to be touched. [16:03]
mircea_popescu: now, the item suffers from the EXTREME braindamagedness of romanian academics, 1967-2017, and is consequently not nearly as useful as could be most definitions are severely broken logically, even if heuristically usable. [16:04]
mircea_popescu: but this is an universal problem of all languages advanced enough to have a dictionary -- the "scholars" are too dumb to produce the correct item. [16:05]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740235 << ew that sux. [16:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 23:56 lobbes: update on archive-o-tron: Looks like leveraging archive.is is getting nowhere fast according to the archive.is d00d 'download .zip is actually broken' [16:05]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740240 << use wget-of-archive-page and zip that! [16:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 23:59 lobbes: damn [16:06]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740244 << amusingly, the evident "constant upgrades philosophy stranded ycombinator" angle unvoiced. [16:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 00:06 BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time [16:08]
mircea_popescu: because clearly what's important is the pantsuitism not teh reality. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740246 << "as many as 150" is a very lulzy statement on the importance of democracy / community / etcetera. [16:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 00:19 shinohai: http://archive.is/07Oas <<< I guess no use going thru the trouble of shutting down the sybil nodes or w/e [16:09]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740380 << dafuq, how's a n00b supposed to work with an adult dictionary ?! [16:12]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 21:03 mircea_popescu: i'd propose it as the standard. explicative dictionary, of course, not "translative" dictionary. this is the correct approach btw, "translation" dictionary is made of 100% sheer nonsense and not to be touched. [16:12]
mircea_popescu: same way children do it. [16:12]
asciilifeform: children got their fw preflashed. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: no such thing. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: the way adult woman is deflowered is EXACTLY same way she'd have been deflowered at 14, were she not a retard at 14 : cock goes in. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: there's no special procedure for any age, hole, or circumstance of any kind. always the same process. [16:14]
asciilifeform: 'get a harem of aboriginals, fughetabout dictionaries' such classic road cone. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: jussssst dooo it! [16:16]
mircea_popescu: "romanian-english dictionary" is the exact equivalent of programming in "microsoft visual c". [16:18]
mircea_popescu: even if your binary runs, your brain suffered in the process. [16:18]
asciilifeform: i'll still take it over 'learn from context' nonsense. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: sure. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: it's not FORBIDDEN. but if you insist to break the "why do you think you have anything to SAY yet" rule and instead of reading ro text with ro explicative dictionary as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580455 jump ahead to trying to ~produce~ ro text on the basis of your english ideas augmented by a english-to-ro translateatron, the result will be that you'll end up with a subset of romanian as permitted by your english [16:31]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 16:12 mircea_popescu: trinque the method i recommend, if you care, is to work selections of classical texts with the dictionary then proceed to answer any systematic questions you have when you're sick of the slog. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: vocabulary and general language propriety and consequently miss out on most of the gains from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 [16:31]
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: gains ~not just for the "new" language~! the old one as well! i'm a much better english speaker than absolutely any esl speaker BECAUSE i speak a bunch of other languages that ARE NOT english, which STRENGTHENS my english. [16:31]
mircea_popescu: exactly as per that http://trilema.com/2017/this-blog-is-now-about-bticino-and-other-coinsiderations/#footnote_8_75919 fuckbridge note. [16:32]
asciilifeform: i won't disagree that translative dictionary is only good for reaching takeoff velocity, and folx who try to ~write~ using one, rather than using years of actual literature eaten, are in a state of sin [16:34]
asciilifeform: but you somehow gotta get to that takeoff, and not everyone has dirigible. [16:34]
asciilifeform: also i will note that english is a pretty poor example for this thread, it is missing so many pieces that folx who ~think~ in it are visibly handicapped in all walks of life, not merely for learning ro [16:36]
mircea_popescu: you get to this takeoff in the manner children do, which is : be seen and not heard. you... read. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: until you have enough familiarity for the proper dict to be useful to you, you don't properly speaking have anything to say. [16:51]
asciilifeform: to say ? noshit, no [16:52]
mircea_popescu: i can't answer for others, but i, a man with no particular place to go and no specific time to be there, find in general the approach endlessly entertaining. go into a two day loop through whatever lang's dict after having read a phrase in some classical work. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: it's why i won't learn subhuman languages, such as anything black people ever made : not NEARLY enough classics to keep me interested in this manner. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: this is also why i've not learned say sanskrit, and why i despise indians as the cultural construct. bitch, interrupted classics isn't a qualifier, if all the jews had ended in 300 ad they'd be in the same pot. [16:53]
asciilifeform: no classics -- monkeylang. dun see what to disagree with. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: now, one could say "but of course, mp is rich, man of leisure". except... i STILL didn't have a particular destination / timetable as an eight year old. if anyone's ever poorer than a child... [16:54]
asciilifeform: interrupted classics are of interest to archaeologist. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can take their "yoni"s and shove them, i'm too busy archeologisting actual things to be bothgered with "but mp, before going to shit india was interesting". had i lived before it went to shit, i might've persuaded by this. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: "but mp, if you don't study failures how to avoid mistakes ???" "study non-failures and non-do what they didn't do either!" wtf, ima have to look at anything but WORKING engine to establish how to not make engine ? pshaw. [16:55]
asciilifeform: learnable-from failures are a rare luxury even in engineering [16:56]
mircea_popescu: almost 0 shits given to "after ww2 but before clinton, america the great" wank for very much this reason, actually. [16:56]
asciilifeform: normally 'it burned down and who the fuck knows why' [16:56]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform learnable failures are always the byproduct of an eventuallty successful complete tree. [16:56]
mircea_popescu: absent either the eventually or the complete... it's back to black monkeys picking through each other's fur. [16:57]
asciilifeform: returning to dictionaries -- it's a piton, for penetrating the otherwise impenetrable n00b texts ( e.g. children's lit ) . not a 'hey i am nigerian and i found an englisch dictionary and nao i speak to you about our road to riches and fame' [16:59]
mircea_popescu: which they do, endlessly entertainingly. let me show you the most recent : [16:59]
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/fhGdV/?raw=true << the married miss and other gems of nigerian classical thought. [17:00]
asciilifeform: lol, nao this is a first on asciilifeform's watch, ro spamola [17:01]
mircea_popescu: aha [17:01]
mircea_popescu: i get abo9ut one a week but this one's very good [17:02]
asciilifeform: the 'Dacă doriți să vă recuperați ex' is so very orc [17:02]
diana_coman: ahahahah "dacă aveți probleme care vă ajută" [17:02]
asciilifeform: 'cast this spell to regain yer boyfriend' [17:02]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman solvind! [17:02]
asciilifeform: iirc about half of voodoo repertoire is re this [17:02]
shinohai: Since it is from Romanian brujas, I bet it worx [17:03]
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I'd say plenty *poorer* than children actually I can't see how is "adult" with debt and whatnot "richer" than child [17:03]
asciilifeform: ^^^ [17:03]
asciilifeform: the 8yo, with 0 homework etc is in his eden. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but constructs OF STUPIDITY have no bearing on the actual reality. child is, natura nuda, poorest thing that can exist. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: can't even walk into a bar walk away with a woman. [17:03]
mircea_popescu: this deep, overwhelming poverty of childhood is what eg malena hero struggles with. [17:04]
asciilifeform: but dun gotta work. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: nobody gotta work. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: everyone works by choice. [17:04]
asciilifeform: ahahahaha roadcone [17:04]
mircea_popescu: oya. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, walked past item in market yest, "and god walked the earth, and came upon a man who was so very poor [17:04]
shinohai: In the latest US Naval mishaps: http://archive.is/krIMV [17:04]
mircea_popescu: all he had was money." [17:04]
diana_coman: well, I get what you mean i.e. that's the zero, yes however ...constructs of stupidity do...exist, what can I say [17:04]
mircea_popescu: surely they do exist. [17:05]
mircea_popescu: and people who cut off their own leg to spite the doctor do exist from what i hear. [17:05]
mircea_popescu: what can you do ? [17:05]
asciilifeform: shinohai: text obscured by crapolade, unreadable [17:05]
shinohai: http://time.com/5030829/uss-benfold-tug-boat-collision/ [17:05]
shinohai: yeah fuck Time [17:05]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd love archeology by the way. half the job is "here's this pile of relations with no cognitive correlate. please explain." [17:07]
mircea_popescu: usually this returns "religious artefact AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY OFFICE". understandably. [17:07]
mircea_popescu: hermeneutics, amirite. "how to map complex structures". [17:08]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reversing winturds, possibly surprisingly, is little different : a good 80% of the binturd has no arithmetical reason for being there [17:09]
diana_coman: make a not that there are negative, "non-natural" numbers, what else is there to do, lol [17:10]
asciilifeform: ( or greater %, if item is product of deliberate obfuscation, rather than merely microshit ) [17:10]
diana_coman: or a knot I suppose note* [17:10]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the box that barfed uses gcc 5.4.0 [17:14]
shinohai: ben_vulpes: I had 0 luck until gcc 4.9.4 [17:15]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: linker in 5 is incompatible with 4, likely explains such cases [17:17]
asciilifeform: the surest pill is simply not to have 5 on the box. at. all. [17:17]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i tried recently to build a chroot with 4 from the machine with 5 to no avail [17:18]
asciilifeform: nao iirc there is finally a gnat built on 5. but i have not tried it, and can't yet think of a reason to try it [17:18]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: once you have 5, yer pretty much phuqed [17:18]
asciilifeform: faster to format the hdd and start again, than to try to manually separate the flies from the cutlets. [17:18]
ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland [17:19]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i have now pissed upon this electrified fence as well [17:19]
ben_vulpes: i couldn't find a stage3 with 4.9 on it when i needed it for this machine, and so got 'phuqed' [17:21]
ben_vulpes: republic really doesn't have repeatable steps for building a gentoo with gcc 4.9, does it [17:22]
ben_vulpes: "step 1: build a gentoo five years ago" [17:22]
asciilifeform: better 10, lol [17:23]
ben_vulpes: right? [17:23]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sure it does. use my useflags banlist, and include gcc >= 5 [17:23]
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel [17:24]
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. [17:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am well aware, yeh [17:24]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did that, but i believe that 5 snuck in from stage3. at the time i got loads of errors about 5 being present on the system in violation of use flag specification, attempted to purge but this did not result in a usable box somehow [17:25]
mircea_popescu: o hey, ignoring flags nao ? [17:27]
asciilifeform: stage3 method ( the only one supported by post-infiltration gentoo ) is a tar fulla binturds [17:28]
asciilifeform: so no, flags dun help there. [17:28]
ben_vulpes: more likely i made a mistake [17:28]
ben_vulpes: oh, mistake was to stage3 [17:28]
mircea_popescu: ic [17:30]
ben_vulpes: i don't really know how to apply your use flags to the creation of a new gentoo then. i do have an older gentoo box that is pretty faithful to the crapolade flags, has gcc but don't really have a map for making that produce a root fs that i can put on another box or what even the correct way to go about doing what i want to do [17:30]
ben_vulpes: (gcc 4.9.4) [17:30]
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say? [17:31]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'd like to find a pill for this problem that doesn't involve preserving a magic binturd in amber [17:31]
asciilifeform: ( yes i could post a known-worked stage3. but eww ) [17:31]
ben_vulpes: yeah i have one of those as well but also ew [17:32]
ben_vulpes: doesn't gcc itself count as a magic binturd? [17:32]
asciilifeform: it does if you magicize a compiled gcc sure [17:32]
asciilifeform: but notion of unix is that you can take whatever c compiler you got, and bootstrap [17:32]
mircea_popescu: we have gcc 4.9.x source then ? [17:33]
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, evidently "whaterver you got" dun include post wreckage gcc 5+ [17:33]
asciilifeform: aha. but you can't build it with 5, apparently. [17:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform where is it ? [17:33]
asciilifeform: mod6's mirror [17:33]
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html << grep for gcc [17:34]
shinohai: Tis on shithub too https://github.com/gcc-mirror/gcc/releases/tag/gcc-4_9_4-release [17:34]
mircea_popescu: !#s gcc mirror [17:34]
a111: 2 results for "gcc mirror", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gcc%20mirror [17:34]
asciilifeform: ' 0x17) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-5.txt : name it 'gcc-4.9.2.tar.bz2.asc' ' [17:34]
asciilifeform: shinohai: fughet shithub [17:34]
mircea_popescu: nice work mod6 [17:34]
asciilifeform: it's part of the rotor flow, gotta be there [17:35]
mircea_popescu: aha. [17:35]
shinohai: Ah yeah somehow I had forgotten that *DUH* is part of trb [17:35]
asciilifeform: recall, original 'gcc5 is fatally touched' discovery happened on n00bz building rotors [17:35]
mircea_popescu: yup [17:35]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: couldja sketch how this pill might work for me? [17:37]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ideally would work on all known c compiler, and from there build gcc buildroot-style, and from there - world [17:37]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ride the rotor train all the way to there then have it build whatever it is you're building. [17:37]
asciilifeform: i've thought about investigating whether gcc4 can be made to build on fabrice bellard's tinycc [17:38]
ben_vulpes: heh i was just reading about that [17:38]
asciilifeform: which in turn builds on just about anything vaguely c-flavoured [17:38]
ben_vulpes: makes elfs and everything [17:38]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "whatever it is you're building" is "gentoo", and what goes into that is still a mystery to me [17:40]
ben_vulpes: "babbys first linux distro" [17:41]
* ben_vulpes bbl [17:41]
mircea_popescu: mmm, i dunno that we have a gentoo equivalent of this deeded anywhere. [17:43]
mircea_popescu: aand in other cultural superiorities, https://archive.is/PYLfT#selection-857.111-863.79 [17:45]
asciilifeform: dafuq's that [17:45]
mircea_popescu: huffpo [17:46]
mircea_popescu: (to explain the lulz : huffpo penned piece about gervais, whio's still active and who did whatever huffpo-demo interest item recently upon deciding they want to write it up they proceeded to "do research" in "depth" as such works as it happens trilema owns millions of "long tail" items, including as the case is here whatever-they-searched-about either cemetery junction or gervais or some combination of other words. eviden [17:52]
mircea_popescu: tly did not read the article, but hey.) [17:52]
mircea_popescu: the point being that the pantsuit machine RELIES on there not existing toxicitems in the environment, because the whole thing is so least-effort driven as to directly uptake them if present. [17:52]
asciilifeform: it reads like perlade [17:52]
mircea_popescu: as opposed to which part of libertard discourse ? [17:53]
asciilifeform: as opposed to where they still have meat in the loop [17:53]
asciilifeform: ( pre-'millenial' meat ) [17:54]
mircea_popescu: this is perl-on-suto aka "graduate student" [17:54]
mircea_popescu: this is what the empire is. [17:54]
asciilifeform: deedbot removes voice from gabriel_laddel << poor d00d, must've amputated hands nao, not only feet [17:54]
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, looking through logs we notice trilema served 1.5mn pages... earlier today, during four hours or so. this is usually a week or two's worth. [17:57]
mircea_popescu: so ima have to alter that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740276 to moar like 50k to reflect this new record. [17:58]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740127 << i wouldn't be too worried, trilema serves up to 5k simultaneous connections off a single box. [17:58]
asciilifeform: lol all wp pingback ddosolade ? [17:59]
asciilifeform: or not all [17:59]
mircea_popescu: superficially seems like all sorts kinda not have the time now to feed a quarter gb log through summarizer. [18:00]
mircea_popescu: anyway, over 1TB burned, month half way. blog infrastructure liek bitcoin infrastructure in more ways than one. [18:02]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/18/specs-and-designs-for-the-first-ever-blockheight-timepieces/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Specs and designs for the first ever Blockheight Timepieces. [18:37]
pete_dushenski: pete_dushenski: here now [18:37]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ^ [18:38]
mircea_popescu: in other grandeurs, this place is a bona fida meteorological observatory. i sat over pasta and watched a complete cloud system move across the sky. here the sky's blue, here's the coming cloud front, there's rain... [18:38]
pete_dushenski: sounds a lot like teh prairies except in cr you can't see spot running away for weeks [18:46]
asciilifeform: Radio Wave at 40 kHz, 60kHz, 68.5 kHz, and 77.5kHzv – GPS signal at 1575.42 MHzvi – LTE with eSIM at 2600 MHzvii << bahahahahwat ntp thread alloveragain ?! [18:49]
asciilifeform: and kanzure's bch satellite. [18:49]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: how'd you approach the problem of frequently updated blockheight on the wrist ? well, "problem"... [18:51]
pete_dushenski: it's gedankenexperiment [18:52]
asciilifeform: shortwave. from festung mircea_popescustein's 500kW transmitter. [18:52]
asciilifeform: wearer's body as antenna. [18:52]
pete_dushenski: so wouldn't update if owner took off to, say, take a shower ? [18:53]
asciilifeform: nope [18:53]
asciilifeform: why wouldja care what it does when yer not wearing it [18:53]
asciilifeform: it's a clock. [18:53]
asciilifeform: connect to stationary antenna if you must have it show output on yer desk. [18:53]
pete_dushenski: aha [18:54]
pete_dushenski: ya, i was thinking of desk scenario [18:54]
pete_dushenski: stationary antenna worx [18:54]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> nice work mod6 << Thx, cheers! [18:55]
pete_dushenski: in other technical considerations, "this is not a pig" http://frgdr.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jerusalem-biblical-zoo_peccary-sign_yiddish.jpg [18:59]
* pete_dushenski had bacon-wrapped figs at girl's office xmas party last night (it was -20C so felt plenty xmassy). delicious with italian red wine. [19:01]
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737162 << very neato. [19:12]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-13 05:49 ag3nt_zer0: Never been in a place that has equaled that in regards to my definition of a warm home... looking forward to learning more of Ingels [19:12]
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737340 << tesla isn't going anywhere. has now released "semi-truck" and "roadster 2.0" with which to continue the endless dangle of consumer tech disruption, always 3 years into the future. elon is the master of no bread today but e-cake tmrw. [19:17]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 00:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-13#1737193 << in no sense more terminal than say apple. [19:17]
shinohai: Nifty sketches there pete_dushenski [19:28]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh they're really not much [19:40]
shinohai: Well certainly better than *some* things I have seen. I at least didn't go "wtf am I looking at?" lol [19:43]
pete_dushenski: lol art school was almost 20 years ago now, but i guess not never [19:49]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, on asciilifeform's vivisection table : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 >>> becomes >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt [20:57]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 23:07 asciilifeform: http://www.free-soft.ro/everest/everest.html has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly ) [20:57]
asciilifeform: sha512sum == 8d98e23900035eae68632746c9b1fb6c39fecd98c1434bf5e86af9b3d0f26bc56a9c33bf99afc5a3624914dccd0902922eeaf4f34194ea680641a4c9ff80d74e [20:57]
asciilifeform: 133333337 w4r3z!!! [20:57]
asciilifeform: caveat : it's a spoil of war, i cannot guarantee the contents, could have some qty of any degree of nonsense in there. [20:58]
asciilifeform: caveat x2 : no îțâșă . but it was missing in the original, i did not remove it. ascii-only, in the derp's original, e.g. 'uşă' turns into 'usa'. [21:00]
asciilifeform: ( n00bz -- see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-24#1728148 ) [21:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-10-24 18:25 mircea_popescu: say îțâșă lol [21:01]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes pete_dushenski & other potential rotakus ^ [21:04]
shinohai: neat asciilifeform greatly appreciated. [21:05]
asciilifeform: it would be rather difficult for it to be worse than google's idiocy [21:06]
asciilifeform: though admittedly possible. [21:06]
asciilifeform: and you can use it offline, with grep. which is why i even wanted one. [21:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is prolly looking for a bucket large enuff to properly barf into, at this point, lol [21:08]
asciilifeform: i deduplicated it and reversed ( sorted by ro ) before posting , 148469 lines . but some of the 'words' can be only with difficulty called words. [21:11]
asciilifeform: e.g. ' ciclu format din atomi de carbon`carboatomic ring ' and the like. [21:11]
asciilifeform: address all complaints to the original idjit, who stole it from fuck-knows-where and felt compelled to crypt it and obfuscate his winturd so that presumably others could not easily find what he ripped off [21:12]
asciilifeform: afaik this item is the only plaintext ro/eng dict on the entire net currently... [21:14]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all [22:14]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7809.89, vol: 5947.42955655 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7820.0, vol: 31131.60224221 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7794.9, vol: 2202.70778376 | Volume-weighted last average: 7817.06182874 [22:14]
mircea_popescu: !!pay pete_dushenski 1 [22:15]
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bmggA/?raw=true [22:15]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740583 << from a cursory review this is an old dex (the substance of the originally quoted dexonline item 1970s ro dictionary) coupled with an altogether dubious, but broadly workable translatatron. not useless. [22:22]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on asciilifeform's vivisection table : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 >>> becomes >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt [22:22]
scriba: TypeError: argument of type 'NoneType' is not iterable (file "modules/archive.py", line 59, in archive_a_url) [22:22]
mircea_popescu: clica evidently clique not clan clichet evidently clicket, it is after all a cc etc. [22:25]
mircea_popescu: îțâșă << it's apparently disappeared from the internets altogether. ima dig up teh originating site one of these days. [22:34]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740595 << this, very muchly. most of the problem of "but mp, i have no way to search BY DEFINITION!!1" is compensated by escaping from the idiocy of book. yes there is way to search by definition, that's what log search is even used for 90% of the time! [22:35]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:06 asciilifeform: and you can use it offline, with grep. which is why i even wanted one. [22:35]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740596 << nah. the principal sad of that item is that it excludes the phonetic transcription -- which'd allow it to also function as eg rhyming dict. this is a mixed blessing -- the original it evidently copies did include it BUT it wasn't written in proper ipa. [22:36]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is prolly looking for a bucket large enuff to properly barf into, at this point, lol [22:36]
mircea_popescu: because romanians are idiots, and especially romanian linguists. [22:37]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740599 << this'd be 99% of the windows-space "software development", starting with bill gates' original "work". as you say above, "foss'd have been hard pressed to be worse than alternative" [22:38]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:12 asciilifeform: address all complaints to the original idjit, who stole it from fuck-knows-where and felt compelled to crypt it and obfuscate his winturd so that presumably others could not easily find what he ripped off [22:38]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> graduate student just as 100% idle hopeless underproducing hyperconsumer with or without rule. << Only not completely hopeless if graduated in 2012 and found proto-republic in 2013, to be evaled after arriving in Montevideo [22:58]
mircea_popescu: i prefer to think of you as an ex-drunk than as an ex-gradstud [22:58]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it's 'staggering amount' to the derp who is in the 0% tax bracket today but would theoretically live in the 40% if the discount were to be counted ( as it by all rights oughta ) as income << Not a staggering amount because jello shots are three for a dollar and after 30 of them sure staggering, what are numbers? [22:59]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740244 << amusingly, the evident "constant upgrades philosophy stranded ycombinator" angle unvoiced. << Naturally [23:01]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 00:06 BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time [23:01]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno if there's much difference, but if I was not drunk to be ex-drunk the grad student retardation may have been stickier [23:05]
BingoBoingo: Cheap Vodka: Vessel of salvation AND harbringer of impending doom! [23:05]
mircea_popescu: quite exactly. "i dunno if there's any difference, but if i weren't slutty enough to be a whore my marriage may have not ended". doh. [23:06]
BingoBoingo: lol [23:06]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740613 << if sumbody posts a ro-to-en ( or i'd much prefer a ru, say ) dict that is less radiationdamaged -- i'll use that , and throw the current one out. until then -- it's ~the~ dict. [23:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 03:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740596 << nah. the principal sad of that item is that it excludes the phonetic transcription -- which'd allow it to also function as eg rhyming dict. this is a mixed blessing -- the original it evidently copies did include it BUT it wasn't written in proper ipa. [23:11]
* asciilifeform doesn't plan to spend a long time needing one , but currently will admit to it [23:12]
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