Forum logs for 17 Nov 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo breakdown of that 19k is the paramount consideratyion here. be detailed. [00:00]
BingoBoingo: I am glad to offer: 6283 (or 5150, unclear yet if VAT'd) off the shelf SA corp including lawyer, notary, and accountant fees, 1500 to set up the rack, 600 to LACNIC as a nano size ISP for IP allotment, 5335 for first month's rack rent, 341 for fiscal address and space with lock 24/7 access to coffee pot, 1200 budgeted to switch and router (actual likely closer to half that), 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo (actual likely less budgeting [00:08]
BingoBoingo: worse case). Pls to let me know if sane, other expenses to expect, or if more fat to cut. [00:08]
BingoBoingo: Also 541 USd padding for surprises [00:10]
mircea_popescu: jesus that's an expensive corp. 60x what rando us agent charges for a scorp ? [00:10]
mircea_popescu: don't mix reserves and costs, it confuses thinking. [00:10]
mircea_popescu: 3200 putting Bingo in Montevideo being what, plane ticket + what exactly ? [00:11]
BingoBoingo: The goverment's fees for an SA are ~1500 [00:11]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is that a yr's worth of accountant ? [00:11]
asciilifeform: or month, or wat [00:11]
BingoBoingo: Plane + hotel bundle eyeballed off of expedia [00:11]
mircea_popescu: don't bundle. [00:12]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Transaction's worth. [00:12]
mircea_popescu: iirc my argentine corp cost me about $700 or so to set up, though i was being generous with teh locals. [00:13]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is this google produced gringo scalper ? or local anything ? [00:13]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Gringo attorney in Montevideo. [00:14]
BingoBoingo: Searching for cheaper off the shelf corps, but none yet found [00:14]
mircea_popescu: it's utterly not worth paying 6k for this as it is. [00:14]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at this point i'd rather give up trying to find non-tards online, go to lawyer in uruguay have it set up there. you can internetr just as well from uruguay as from illinois or what was it. [00:15]
mircea_popescu: when were you leaving, early dec was it ? [00:16]
BingoBoingo: Aiming to leave between December 1st and December 4th [00:17]
mircea_popescu: aite, so you land in uruguay, find yourself student girlie helper + reasonable place to dorm in, then find lawyer get corp sorted out. [00:18]
mircea_popescu: dja get the tickets reserved/paid/what is it ? [00:18]
BingoBoingo: Not reserved yet. This is the sanity checking before reserving things. [00:18]
mircea_popescu: go ahead. how much are you getting charged ? [00:18]
mircea_popescu: copa services ORD-MVD at ~1.3k fwis. not even bad. you getting that ? [00:21]
BingoBoingo: I am seeing 1150-1250 [00:23]
mircea_popescu: plus fees. aite, so go for it. change teh patrimonial bitcoin to have cash if you need. or do you have spare cash ? [00:24]
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all [00:24]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7833.56, vol: 21452.45181747 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7849.7, vol: 96288.38088123 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7849.2, vol: 8511.81098169 | Volume-weighted last average: 7846.92383257 [00:24]
mircea_popescu: not even terrible. [00:24]
BingoBoingo: cash reserves are low while in US [00:24]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo trade teh bitcoin out then, buy your ticket, go there with a gangsta roll. [00:25]
BingoBoingo: k [00:25]
mircea_popescu: did you check local bitcoins and whatnot to see how your cashflow promises to be there ? [00:25]
mircea_popescu: montevideo + buenos aires (it's a few hours by boat/bus away sorta deal) [00:25]
BingoBoingo: Looks like international wire mostly [00:26]
* BingoBoingo needs to check localbitcoins moar [00:27]
mircea_popescu: look moar insistently lol, network that moved millions back when we were unseating the whore face couldn't have evaporated in less than a year eh. [00:27]
* BingoBoingo will also move on coworking space/fiscal address [00:30]
mircea_popescu: cool. build your network mostly, gotta know useful locals. don't waste your time with the losers more than it takes to discover loseracy. [00:30]
* BingoBoingo plans to start the networking with AA meetings, leverage that seekrit society [00:31]
mircea_popescu: whatsoever works. coworker space, hostel, talk to the whores, talk to the students, as long as you talk to people... [00:32]
mircea_popescu: just don't do stupid shit like puting up in hotels / eating at restaurants etc. follow teh backpacker crowd around, it's where teh hustle begins. [00:33]
BingoBoingo: AHA, hotel is pretty much the same wherever you hotel. [00:34]
mircea_popescu: we get to find out how nimble bb is on his feet! [00:36]
BingoBoingo: That we will. Maybe I even fall! [00:37]
BingoBoingo: Into pretty Brazilian vacation girls [00:37]
mircea_popescu: lol [00:37]
mircea_popescu: a yeah, pack a camera, you'll get to give my travel posts a run for their money eh. [00:38]
BingoBoingo: A camera is has [00:39]
* BingoBoingo to put "2 week notice" @ BingoBoingo Store on tomorrow's do list [00:44]
ben_vulpes: wd [00:44]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm in for 2 [00:44]
ben_vulpes: but bbl, off to do some social soldering [00:46]
ben_vulpes: << forgot to mention: unholy piles of sql too [00:47]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-08 23:54 ben_vulpes: cl and legacy pyshits mostly [00:47]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: ty [00:50]
trinque: BingoBoingo: idea is we'll ship servers to you once there? [00:51]
BingoBoingo: trinque: That's the pricing I have figured out so far. [00:51]
trinque: how many IPs per 1U? [00:57]
trinque: relevant to carving up a U into VPSen for folks like lobbes [00:57]
BingoBoingo: trinque: To be determined. Datacenter wants me to get IPs through LACNIC, will assist in the application process, but not guaranteeing anything [00:59]
mircea_popescu: may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake. [01:08]
mircea_popescu: that it meanwhile entirely failed isn't gonna percolate to orc bureaucrat heads within the remaining lifetime of teh empire. [01:08]
mircea_popescu: trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic". [01:09]
* mircea_popescu looked at various would-be standards (earlier "libre" lulz related to this), none are worth two shits. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard. [01:10]
trinque: yep, I will have to do some research there myself. [01:13]
* trinque stopped in anger, resolved to use g4 and g5 PPCs in personal infrastructure [01:15]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque better idea is that we have to figure out what boards/etc we're buying. a "standard box of the republic". << AHA, this is why cost of dedi box hosting not yet spec'd [01:34]
BingoBoingo: Basic box prototype did arrive today. Has been assembled, but not really played with. Likely not too impressive for tasks requiring lots of horsepower. [01:35]
BingoBoingo: Pero tiene cuatro nucleos y dieciseis GB RAM, so requires playing with [01:37]
trinque: for the simple webhosting and bothosting cases, of which there oughta be many, max-spec'd machine is not necessary [01:37]
BingoBoingo: Hence this is the stab at a basic box. Board widely available, has serial header, but only one ethernet port so not useful as router [01:39]
BingoBoingo: For webhosting though, one has to remember that hosting typically means MP-WP which can tax a database if the traffic is there [01:43]
trinque: most sensible databases amount to ramdisk stores on a db that size [01:45]
BingoBoingo: Still, calls to it add up [01:48]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> may take some finagleing, usg.dns decided to be a bitch about ips so as to force ipv6 uptake. << Either way LACNIC is cheaper/(less competition for space) than APNIC [01:51]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [06:38]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7826.02, vol: 21892.21531492 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7814.7, vol: 102720.97707639 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7827.0, vol: 7404.02021221 | Volume-weighted last average: 7817.26700864 [06:38]
asciilifeform: << you can't v-root an item containing binturds. and the only x86 bios without winturds, is for opteron or ancient (pre-2008) intels. with recent chips even binturd-containing coreboot dun work, and yer stuck with the heathen fw shipped in the box. [09:06]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:10 mircea_popescu: a v-root for proper box software (bios, grub, etc) very much in order also, twinned with box standard. [09:06]
asciilifeform: << similar here, with opterons. but they have the drawbacks already discussed. ( power hungry, run hot, not obtainable in arbitrary qty given as no longer made ) [09:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-17 06:15 trinque stopped in anger, resolved to use g4 and g5 PPCs in personal infrastructure [09:09]
* asciilifeform genuinely does not know of anything worth calling 'standard box of the republic' [09:13]
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque ever found a rack mount multicore g5? [09:16]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [09:16]
asciilifeform: ( g4, with its 4GB address space, i do not regard as very interesting ) [09:17]
asciilifeform: back to coreboot, fwiw i have a working build for 'pcengines' [09:20]
asciilifeform: enough room in the eeprom for a kernel as payload, even. [09:21]
diana_coman: PeterL and anyone else following along on keccak: 2 more problems found so far in the ada code namely 1. in the pi permutation it's the *output* coordinates that are calculated as Y, 2*X+3*Y based on input at X,Y and not the other way around 2. at iota the corresponding round constant is xored into a(0,0) only, not into all the lanes of the state (following permutations will propagate the round constant) [09:31]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> 'Chinese drone maker DJI left the private key for its dot-com's HTTPS certificate exposed on GitHub for up to four years' [10:11]
trinque: asciilifeform: beefiest xserve was a dual proc 2.3ghz, tapped out at 16gb ram [10:46]
asciilifeform: trinque: sounds respectable. are they obtainable ? [10:50]
trinque: dwindling but I still find them in the usual places for scrap [11:05]
trinque: opteron's a safer bet [11:05]
asciilifeform: it had similar problems, iirc, to opteron -- ran hot [11:54]
asciilifeform: i'd quite like to have some bigendian heavy iron for 'biodiversidad'/specificity-of-diddling reason, but afaik there is none to be had ( at least in the weight class of opteron, which can haz in 32cores easily enough ) [11:56]
asciilifeform: !!up Ingolfr_Arnarson [13:47]
deedbot: Ingolfr_Arnarson voiced for 30 minutes. [13:47]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: Thanks [13:48]
asciilifeform: who might you be, Ingolfr_Arnarson ? [13:48]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I was trying to find information on gossipd, followed the 'how to participate in the affairst of the republic' link on the channel automatic text you get when you enter and reached the gossipd design document. [13:50]
asciilifeform: Ingolfr_Arnarson: anything in particular ? [13:51]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: any recommendable log to read with more detail on the advance of the project? [13:51]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: I am just curious because I mentioned the idea of getting rid of dns and someone who actually reads the logs sent me a link to the article about draining the DNS Swamp. [13:52]
asciilifeform: Ingolfr_Arnarson: it isn't a complicated item, but does demand a sane rsatron [13:52]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: And mentioned gossipd was the name of the actual thing. [13:52]
asciilifeform: which is currently in the works, [13:52]
asciilifeform: !#s ffa [13:52]
a111: 336 results for "ffa", [13:52]
asciilifeform: ( all implementations of rsa in common use, are unsuitable for real time programs, on account of leaking private key via timing side channel ) [13:53]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: That's good info to research for. [13:56]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: thx for the logs [13:56]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!rate [13:58]
Ingolfr_Arnarson: !!rate asciilifeform 1 Helped me providing info and logs on gossip. [13:59]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [13:59]
asciilifeform: !#s from:mircea_popescu gossipd [14:01]
a111: 222 results for "from:mircea_popescu gossipd", [14:01]
asciilifeform: ^ see also. [14:01]
ben_vulpes: use more null-cipher cryptosuites: [14:47]
ben_vulpes: hmac blunder also epic [14:49]
asciilifeform: in other noose, >> 'US Navy: Penis in sky drawn by jet trail was 'unacceptable'' [15:02]
BingoBoingo: In other news, there was much rejoicing at the BingoBoingo store today as rumors concerning my resignation notice circulated. [15:02]
asciilifeform: oh hey congrats BingoBoingo [15:03]
BingoBoingo: Departures from there, particularly to greener pastures tend to inspire much hope. I don't expect many of my fellows there wake up to a battleship in their coffee though. [15:05]
BingoBoingo: Also lead time from application to LACNIC IP address assignment is ~2 weeks [15:08]
ben_vulpes: lol argentina had a submarine?! [15:09]
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You mean the City State of Buenos Aires + Cows [15:10]
ben_vulpes: pantsuit self-purge of thought criminals continues: [15:13]
BingoBoingo: taunts [15:22]
ben_vulpes: "it's a penis!" [15:26]
ben_vulpes: in other well-trained children, $child just attempted to put himself down for a nap in the comfy chair in my office [15:26]
BingoBoingo: Awe [15:38]
BingoBoingo: ""It's a penis." That's the explanation! The kids will be able to handle it." << Then why all the fuss when adult women get shown penii! [15:39]
ben_vulpes: anti-flirt brigade doing what it does [15:40]
asciilifeform: in other butthurts, >> 'For M.I.T. students, this waiver keeps us from having to pay a bill of about $50,000 every year — a staggering amount, but one that is similar to the fees at many other colleges and universities. ... But under the House’s tax bill, our waivers will be taxed. This means that M.I.T. graduate students would be responsible for paying taxes on a $80,000 annual salary, when we actually e [15:44]
asciilifeform: arn $33,000 a year.' [15:44]
asciilifeform: somehow it is a-ok for folx who win a toyota in a lottery to go broke, from sudden tax owed. but ohnoez, try an' tax pantsuit 'leading tech institution' dim bulb folx... [15:45]
ben_vulpes: the refusal to accept that they're just playing a different lotto is so tasty [15:47]
asciilifeform: ianal but there's a genuine eggog in there -- either that 50k is ~income~ for the chump^H^H^Hstudent or it ain't, and it then also is not expenditure ( i.e. something to be written off taxables ) for mit [15:53]
asciilifeform: not that usd is required to obey conservation of mass, but possibly mit is about to be struck off the list of folx having the crown privilege to make it appear and disappear on command in this way. [15:54]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't see anyone contesting that it's not income [15:57]
asciilifeform: well apparently threatens to become ordinary, rather than magically tax-exempt For Reasons, income [15:57]
ben_vulpes: to take the other side for half a second, who says that i can't charge whomever i want whatever i want for services? [15:58]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja read the milk thing on trilema ? [15:58]
ben_vulpes: yes, but apparently it did not hit? [15:59]
asciilifeform: well answr to the 'who sez' is 'usg gosplan sez' [15:59]
ben_vulpes: mm mhm [15:59]
ben_vulpes: unrelolted: [15:59]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see also [16:01]
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 19:58 asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel [16:01]
asciilifeform: ( iirc later was found that ~only~ police had been present at this particular shootout ) [16:02]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re 'other side', recall that usa a bestkorea where ~everything~ is, at least on paper, taxable -- e.g. if i work for a butcher and he pays me in the form of letting me buy 10 chickens a month for a 1 $ instead of 50 $ ea., this is considered taxable just the same as if he paid in buxxorz [16:06]
asciilifeform: and the income is tallies as the market value ( per usg gosplan ) of the difference, 49bux/ea [16:06]
asciilifeform: or whatever the inspectors decide they were worth, when they raid [16:07]
ben_vulpes: i absolutely understand this, asciilifeform . [16:07]
asciilifeform: so wai not dekulakize the mit derps for 'tax on 80k'. [16:07]
ben_vulpes: i'm not saying don't, i'm just being wistful about an america i never knew! [16:08]
asciilifeform: lol [16:09]
ben_vulpes: le wik maintains that baton rouge event did have a cophunter in attendance [16:09]
* asciilifeform has nfi [16:09]
asciilifeform: possibly it, as usually the case, lies possibly asciilifeform was thinking of another funfest elsewhere [16:10]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what does (others => 0) mean in an assignation statement in p? [16:11]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a standard ada operator that sets an array to 0. [16:12]
asciilifeform: ( or to another repeating constant value . ) [16:13]
asciilifeform: see also [16:13]
asciilifeform: ( can go straight to example, Details := (1..10 => 'x', 11..13 | 21..23 | 27 | 29 => 'y', others => ' ') ) [16:14]
asciilifeform: when there are no other elements referenced, it applies to the entire array. [16:14]
asciilifeform: see also the pertinent ARM , 4.3.3 'array aggregates', . [16:15]
asciilifeform: ( scroll straight to 'examples' if impatient. ) [16:15]
* asciilifeform brb,meat [16:18]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thank you [17:11]
ben_vulpes: in other wonderful old technology that is not made and barely findable any more, i cannot praise the sanford "logo ii" highly enough. the original "logo" is all right, but interestingly not quite as well made as its successor. [17:12]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wassat? [17:17]
ben_vulpes: mechanical pencil [17:19]
ben_vulpes: i did the entire ME curriculum with the one on my desk, finally decided to get some backups. [17:19]
ben_vulpes: has a very long barrel for leads, which is great for heavy writers or people who like hard leads like myself [17:20]
ben_vulpes: one of the few mechanical pencils to not suffer from the retarded lead advancement while using eraser design flaw [17:20]
asciilifeform: aaaand guess what didn't take long : << shits block [17:41]
ben_vulpes: dat nasty rag [17:42]
asciilifeform: in other noose, << the sad sad state of the art of opensores ro dictionaries [18:06]
asciilifeform: ^ ~1000 words ! [18:06]
asciilifeform: has nominally ~200k but is malwareware and enciphered db ( i dun currently have time to break the delphiturd and extract the key, sadly ) [18:07]
lobbes: update on archive-o-tron: Looks like leveraging is getting nowhere fast according to the d00d 'download .zip is actually broken' [18:56]
lobbes: [18:57]
lobbes: I'm changing gears to creating my own archiver. Thinking of perhaps just using wget for the time-being [18:57]
lobbes: more updates to come [18:57]
asciilifeform: lobbes: wget will fail on ~all major enemy www ( noose sites etc ) on account of the dynamic loading idiocy [18:59]
lobbes: damn [18:59]
ben_vulpes: lobbes: try chromium or firefox in headless mode [19:00]
lobbes: ben_vulpes, ah okay! I hadn't thought about those browsers. I was trying to script something in lynx. Problem there was intermittent 503 errors. [19:03]
lobbes: (errors trying to download via, that is) [19:04]
BingoBoingo: In still coaster lollers: "Thiel's departure from Y Combinator was not previously announced. It comes long after Y Combinator president Sam Altman defended Thiel's role at the accelerator, following criticism of Thiel's support of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. A source close to Y Combinator said that the company ended its part-time partners program, which Thiel was a part of, some time last year. While some other part-time [19:06]
BingoBoingo: partners moved over to a program called "experts," which provides advice to Y Combinator entrepreneurs, Thiel did not join." [19:06]
shinohai: <<< I guess no use going thru the trouble of shutting down the sybil nodes or w/e [19:19]
ben_vulpes: somehow i missed that alibaba is in the timesharing business [19:27]
shinohai: From same roll of TP: [19:53]
shinohai: reddit would sell it out within minutes. [19:53]
BingoBoingo: And the winner to provide my ticket was... COPA [20:07]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i used it when i went to c3. be prepared for lotsa gate-changes/reschedules/misc crapola [20:08]
shinohai: Vas necesitar una "copa" despues! xD [20:08]
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Solo una copa de feel [20:09]
shinohai: hue [20:09]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Both transfers have substantial time padding them. [20:10]
asciilifeform: lemme guess, panama then bolivia ? [20:10]
BingoBoingo: RoT, Panama, Uruguay [20:11]
asciilifeform: aa [20:11]
BingoBoingo: (RoT being trinque's Republic of Texas) [20:11]
asciilifeform: notbad [20:12]
* BingoBoingo scheduled to arrive same time one day after leaving [20:12]
BingoBoingo: brb, sobertime [20:19]
shinohai: One day, Maria decided to show those American teachers how it's *really* done: [21:24]
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