Forum logs for 16 May 2017
| mod6: | fair enough. there is the separate case of enbracing the beatings too. | [00:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | "move into the slap, baby, move into the slap" | [00:00] |
| mod6: | i told some administrtion people at the mines recently something very much the same. | [00:00] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-15-may-2017#2282274 << holyfuq trinque , that hobo's bed is bigger than asciilifeform's | [00:01] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 03:45 trinque: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-homeless-brace-themselves-as-anti-encampment-ordinance-goes-into-effect-9436174 << h-town heard the republic, is making poverty illegal inch by inch. | [00:01] |
| mod6: | "I'm here because of the beatings I've taken." | [00:01] |
| mod6: | they just looked at me like: O.O (wtf is this dude on about...) | [00:01] |
| trinque: | nice teddy and errethang | [00:01] |
| trinque: | they also can't block a walkway or entryway to panhandle. next year they can ban the panhandling outright. | [00:03] |
| mod6: | it's different now tho. back in the day, if you did something retarded, you would be dressed-down for your failures. these days, mines are ~safe-spaces where no blame can be placed or else lawsuits. | [00:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | tsk | [00:03] |
| trinque: | I dunno I worked for folks that had their own lawyers, when working in mines. | [00:03] |
| trinque: | can always drag you through them longer than you can manage. | [00:04] |
| mod6: | i mean, how is one to learn if one doesn't know he did incorrect action/whatevers? | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | the lazy and the stupid ganged together and convinced "everyone" ie themselves that placing blame is bad, evil, counterproductive et all. | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | more power to 'em :D | [00:04] |
| trinque: | I think people vastly overestimate this "the gendercommitter shall sue" | [00:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque people vastly overestimate the importance of social media howling, also. and this is entirely borne out of stubbornly ignoring the numerous cases of it being raped to shreds. | [00:05] |
| * mircea_popescu | still chuckles at the "indignant community" back when fetlife turned out to be a shithole. | [00:05] |
| mod6: | ya. i was just talking about this today, in fact. long story, but at the end, he fucked up, and how's he supposed to learn that he fucked up if no one slaps his dick and says "you fucked up, don't do it again" ? | [00:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | nfi. | [00:05] |
| mod6: | lol. indeed. | [00:06] |
| mod6: | mines churning out cucks like Sam. | [00:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | o damn, i gotta pick that up again. | [00:07] |
| trinque: | mod6: you were in new england right? | [00:08] |
| trinque: | iirc | [00:08] |
| mod6: | heheh, i dig it mp. | [00:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | no, mn | [00:08] |
| trinque: | ah maybe that was mats or something. | [00:08] |
| mod6: | trinque: yah, minnesota. | [00:08] |
| trinque: | ah ok, can't say I've been there. | [00:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | me either. most obscure state! but apparently great hunting. | [00:10] |
| mod6: | imagine texas in the summer. then imagine texas in the winter -90 degrees. | [00:10] |
| trinque: | probably has its charm. I like when the environment tries to kill me. | [00:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | keyword being "tries" i guess. | [00:10] |
| trinque: | folks must not go outside you'd think that'd toughen them up | [00:10] |
| trinque: | yeah, that tornado on the highway recently, good try. | [00:11] |
| mod6: | dang. yah. | [00:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | tornado be like "bitchez, didn't you want flying cars ???" | [00:12] |
| mod6: | haha | [00:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | WELL NOW YOU GOT THEM!!! | [00:12] |
| trinque: | ahaha | [00:13] |
| mod6: | my ancestors lived in a covered wagon for like 2 years. | [00:13] |
| mod6: | (i'm told) | [00:13] |
| trinque: | oh? actually settled the place? | [00:13] |
| mod6: | apparently. | [00:13] |
| mod6: | they came from germany or whatever, bought/steaked a claim took 'em 2 farming seasons to get enough money to buy the supplies to build the house. | [00:14] |
| mod6: | house is still there. | [00:14] |
| mod6: | O.O | [00:14] |
| mod6: | meanwhile, all 6-8 of 'em or whatever lived through 2 minnesota winters in a covered wagon. | [00:14] |
| mod6: | staggers the imagination - the sheer determination of a generation long since gone bye. | [00:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | well no because back then they had anthropogenic minnesota warming see. | [00:16] |
| mod6: | but shit, i figure, if they could do it, I could do it too. not that i look forward to that, but it's not impossible. hell, it might be downright necessary. | [00:16] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: haha | [00:17] |
| trinque: | look if the cows all fart at once it sets off a positive feedback loop | [00:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, cold hardness is very much developed trait. i think i told the story of the pubescent girls at the black sea playing around in the freezing water like fucking sirens. | [00:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | at the north sea* | [00:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking cape cod style winds, i was cold in my winter gear. they were the color of liver. | [00:18] |
| mod6: | i think you did, ya. | [00:18] |
| trinque: | never jumped in the water, but I've hopped in a few snowbanks naked. it's a riot. | [00:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | snow is not so terrible because very insulating. | [00:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | wet + wind however is how you say death in arabic. | [00:19] |
| mod6: | once, i was walking on a frozen lake. fell through some thin ice (~january-ish time), by the time i walked ~2.2km home, my pants were frozen and my legs were blue. | [00:19] |
| trinque: | ah true. | [00:19] |
| mod6: | like, my pants stood on the own. | [00:20] |
| mod6: | frozen damn near solid. lol | [00:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | no frostbite ? | [00:21] |
| mod6: | probably some. i think i've had it quite a bit. not to the point of decay or amputation or anything. but there've been many times I remember playing hockey outdoors as a kid in 10 or 20 below f weather. | [00:22] |
| mod6: | by the time i took my skates gloves off... feet/hands really painful. i used to put them in very luke warm water to thaw them out. | [00:23] |
| mod6: | feels like your hands/feet getting hit with a hammer | [00:23] |
| mod6: | once you get frostbite, they say that it's pretty easy to get afterwards because your capillaries never heal fully. making you susceptible. | [00:24] |
| mod6: | not a year goes by that I don't read about some person who got drunk, fell asleep on their porch mid-winter, and loses some digits due to frostbite. | [00:27] |
| mod6: | i suppose they should consider themselves lucky. | [00:27] |
| mod6: | anyone else playing with ffa? | [00:29] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: ran when parked << lol << :D | [01:13] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :) | [01:15] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-15 13:25 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626725 << actually i want to try this sometime, too, any chance you've already fiddled with it pete_dushenski? :D | [01:15] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656491 << well, they are made of ye newe nose-cutty plastique. this is, however, the least annoying of its 'features'. cracking and breaking due to temperature fluctuations and extremes is markedly more of a nuissance. 'moar durable! progress!' is anything but. nooz at 11. | [01:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-15 19:20 BingoBoingo: Wait, Canadian bills are diabetic? | [01:20] |
| lobbes: | <mircea_popescu> snow is not so terrible because very insulating. << I can attest! I grew up on cape cod while the winters never usually got below ~30 F on average, the occasional noreaster would punch you to the bone. cold rain + high winds = no fun | [01:21] |
| lobbes: | the 5 years I then spent in northern Ohio (where it'd get below 0 F often) were comparatively more bearable | [01:21] |
| lobbes: | of course now I'm in the warm, sub-tropical southeast! Barely had a winter this year :D | [01:21] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something. | [01:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-14 16:13 asciilifeform: i almost bought a wankel car once | [01:23] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.) | [01:27] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other threads completed: The best late model consumer vehicle is likely the pre-2017 model year Honda Rebel. 4-stroke combustion is a bummer to see on it, but air cooled and carbeurated. Better would be humble bicycle with "echo CS-800P" chainsaw swapped in to replace pedals. | [01:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | 5 cubic inches of fury! | [01:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | and automatic chain oiler as a bonus | [01:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | (Primary advantage of 2-stroke motor is lubrication in any rotational configuration such that gravity glove shennanigans need not deprive motor of friction protection) | [02:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Secondary advantage being exhaust smell | [02:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Advantage of chainsaw as powertrain is having a chainsaw to clear road obstructions provided rest of chainsaw is kept in saddle bag. | [02:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | Only disadvantage I am seeing here is that reconfiguring chainsaw to be chainsaw instead of bike mover takes time. Time that could be used to clear obstructions like hamplanets had one been simply traveling as a pedestrian with a chainsaw. | [02:07] |
| BingoBoingo: | And unlike turbine, trivial fuel is required to spin up motor | [02:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | In further trivia at apex on technology, chainsaw maker also produces appliance called "Bed redefiner" | [02:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260 | [02:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 that's true, frostbite is pretty damaging | [02:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | lobbes yeah, man gotta pay for his lobster somehow. | [02:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | chainsaw bike eh. why not microwave tv and tower laundry machine dildo, while at it. | [02:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai its position as 5th altcorn yo. not it's. its. | [02:49] |
| danielpbarron: | the damage from frostbite happens in the warming up. i've had it happen more than a few times where my feet would get cold and then i'd hop in the shower and get that "hit with hammers" sensation. also feels like bones are itchy. | [02:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> chainsaw bike eh. why not microwave tv and tower laundry machine dildo, while at it. << Microwave tv would be great for solving problem of people immersed in tv. | [03:13] |
| * BingoBoingo | also though laundry machine dildo was already a thing. | [03:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | Anyways, motorcycle and chainsaw both are essentially motors powering sprockets to drive chains. Only really difference is the parts the chains touch | [03:18] |
| Framedragger: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656734 << awesome | [07:07] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 01:36 asciilifeform: in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan | [07:07] |
| Framedragger: | via funkenstein_ https://ponzico.win/ponzico.pdf / https://ponzico.win/ | [07:18] |
| Framedragger: | pretty lulzy! | [07:18] |
| Framedragger: | (i sorta enjoyed it, html version here http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/ponzico/ponzico.html) | [07:39] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656935 << where to even begin -- first, why to spend good coin on something you can get for ordinary incabux | [09:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 05:23 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something. | [09:23] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform probably has, at this point, ~all the btc he'll ever have, and is quite reluctant to part with it for whatever reason. | [09:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656937 << described d00d seems to have spent 8m only on hotel and whores in that particular day.. | [09:29] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 05:27 pete_dushenski: in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.) | [09:29] |
| asciilifeform: | so technically subj is '8b life' | [09:29] |
| asciilifeform: | and no mention of solid gold toilet, asciilifeform is disappoint!!11! | [09:31] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have | [09:32] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 06:15 BingoBoingo: And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260 | [09:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform handheld. you know, like laptops. | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ruin your body effectively and efficiently! | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other machinery, http://68.media.tumblr.com/78cb5f672da3f1f1deb49ec7a2f5a1ef/tumblr_ne0t1tuyrq1ticw27o1_500.gif | [09:39] |
| asciilifeform: | lol | [09:43] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: re the 'great artist', do you ever find it curious that all of these folx , even with $maxint, eat recycled food ? | [09:45] |
| asciilifeform: | ( as described in 1st link ) | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | i wasn't gonna say anything. | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656952 << aha, same principle as the flooding backwards-flowing rivers of siberia / alaska | [09:51] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 06:59 danielpbarron: the damage from frostbite happens in the warming up. i've had it happen more than a few times where my feet would get cold and then i'd hop in the shower and get that "hit with hammers" sensation. also feels like bones are itchy. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i don't get it, so india apparently sees a rider for the very first time, gets all excited ? | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | wtf is with all the peons opining and shit. | [09:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | also, i don't expect the hotel makes any money from the deal. they're giving the rooms away free. etc. | [09:58] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: even artist can grow up as poor canadian, never exposed to culture, and continue 'successful career' equally sheltered, shuttling from airport to hotel and hotel to arena, forever contained in $bubble. | [09:59] |
| pete_dushenski: | mircea_popescu: india isn't as socially stratified as it used to be. member of parliament was recently banned for ~all air india flights~ for chiding an attendant who stuck him in an economy seat. | [10:01] |
| pete_dushenski: | s/for/from | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao. | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | and, of course, air india is consequently losing its subsidies, because they'll get hold up in parliament. | [10:02] |
| pete_dushenski: | i dun think so. firebrand indian mp just has to helicopter or drive in car now. it's some fubar shit. | [10:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | i totally would. the name of the game is disproportionate retribution. let your $100 seat savings cost you $10 mn in financing, why the hell not. | [10:04] |
| pete_dushenski: | ravindra gaekwad is the mp's name. a 'shiv sena' (far-right) party leader. | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's kinda funny for me to read all the nightmare stories of various ppl trying to airtravel, because i've had nothing but great experiences and well... sucks to be them i guess. | [10:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | geekwad huh. | [10:05] |
| pete_dushenski: | lol correct. | [10:05] |
| asciilifeform: | dirigible! | [10:08] |
| pete_dushenski: | the story is basically that geeky had a business class ticket only to discover that air india had turned the plane into all economy seats. geeky still boarded the flight but flipped his lid when they landed and refused to deboard before roughing up some airline staff. | [10:09] |
| pete_dushenski: | anyways, geekwad, no, evidently doesn't have dirigible. | [10:10] |
| pete_dushenski: | isn't billionaire, etc. news at you know when. | [10:10] |
| pete_dushenski: | asciilifeform: not saying you should depart with btc for $car, but i've yet to meet the seller who turned down, as you say, incadollars. | [10:12] |
| asciilifeform: | pete_dushenski: i considered buying the peculiar auto for incabux, but then realized that i dun actually need one for anything | [10:13] |
| asciilifeform: | having already 1 working auto and 1 arse | [10:13] |
| pete_dushenski: | aha. head won over heart. | [10:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( asciilifeform's pet does not know how to drive ) | [10:14] |
| pete_dushenski: | this has also been my issue in current $porsche market. brainbrakes are stronger than heartthrottle. | [10:16] |
| pete_dushenski: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655830 << speaking of throttles, 'car throttle' was started at the same time as my old car site by a very entrepreneurial brown brit by the name of adnan ebrahim. we used to email back and forth in those early, uncertain days and we met up in london in 2014 for a few drinks. he obviously went the vc-route and has done very well by the metrics of that world, certainly better | [10:20] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-14 15:46 mircea_popescu: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/heres-how-to-make-your-car-exhaust-spit-flames/ << check it out, thgere's even guides. | [10:20] |
| pete_dushenski: | than eric raymond. | [10:20] |
| pete_dushenski: | adnan's is an object lesson in catering to video game playing, basement dwelling, fanbois of the 'like' generation. | [10:22] |
| pete_dushenski: | certainly no one's done it better in the online auto enthusiast space than he. | [10:22] |
| pete_dushenski: | in other hooks, baizuo (白左), or literally, the ‘white left’ is the newest insult in china. love it. | [10:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | lol, i'm trolling through hanbot's site to find where she got raped on eulora auction, end up with http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/ | [11:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | such history of lulz there is! | [11:06] |
| deedbot: | http://trilema.com/2017/dialogue-on-economy-and-other-things/ << Trilema - Dialogue on economy and other things. | [11:34] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656968 << But does air tool go Brap-p-p-p-p-p-p-p-p | [12:56] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have | [12:56] |
| ben_vulpes: | psh, also who wants to hump the accumulator around | [12:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | solar / wind power! | [13:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | WORKABLE ALTERNATIVES! | [13:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: otoh air tools have turbines in 'em | [13:11] |
| ben_vulpes: | which is just plain old cool | [13:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656945 << au contraire, properly built turbine can eat most liquid fuels | [13:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-16 06:12 BingoBoingo: And unlike turbine, trivial fuel is required to spin up motor | [13:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | But do turbines harness lubricating explosions like wet farts? | [13:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | how about we compromise on a gas turbine powered air compressor backed drivetrain | [13:13] |
| ben_vulpes: | it's the only reasonable thing. | [13:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nah, unless it's burning petroil mix, the exhaust won't smell right | [13:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | And air compressor means hoses | [13:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | even if burning petroil, gas turbine will get hot enough to break down the lube oil | [13:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | oh wait we need a total loss lubrication gas turbine | [13:14] |
| ben_vulpes: | could cool it with liquid fuel and recirculate the evaporate into the combustion chamber | [13:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | claaaaasic rocket tech | [13:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | except applied to turbo instead of combustion chamber/nozzle cooling | [13:15] |
| ben_vulpes: | prototype the stack as a "turbo furace" | [13:16] |
| ben_vulpes: | furnace* | [13:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | more like turbo blaster. | [13:31] |
| mircea_popescu: | mean time between explosions, 3.5 hours! | [13:31] |
| ben_vulpes: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k19wyUXP0bw | [13:32] |
| hanbot: | diana_coman i got myself up to date just to quote my last problem with the character in the logs, ha. thanks for asking, and i'll see to it this week for sure. meatland has been fairly crazy these past months, i'd love to have a software problem (she said naively). | [13:57] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, we have... long division | [14:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | nice | [14:08] |
| shinohai: | !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wUY0i/?raw=true | [14:13] |
| jhvh1: | shinohai: The operation succeeded. | [14:13] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/starbucks-fiat-point-of-sale-system-goes-down/ << Qntra - Starbucks Fiat Point Of Sale System Goes Down | [14:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | that sounds great for fiatcoin | [14:22] |
| shinohai: | ty BingoBoingo | [14:26] |
| shinohai: | The Ether DNS seems to still be in exact same shape as I wrote about weeks ago: https://github.com/ethereum/ens-registrar-dapp/issues/128#issuecomment-301561198 | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | 'OSX El Capitan. SSD + 32 GB RAM, ENS app super sluggish yesterday and same problems as OP. backed-up everything, deleted Mist and support files, re-installed. imported jsons after merging, working fine now, except for the fact that owned domains to be finalized are disappearing from the side bar. Domains cannot be finalized when typed in, mist refuses address lookup, type in a different domain and the retype the domain to be finaliz | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ed works... strange....' | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | lol!! | [14:30] |
| shinohai: | Only mETH heads can make DNS shittier than it already is. | [14:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | fucking hipster retards. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is what to do with one's time, right ? pshaw. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | i suppose if they ever manage to adapt the fingernail rfid for cattle usage, the cows'll be tweeting about how they're testing the barn app, and act like all serious about it, too. | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | "same moo as op. moo." | [14:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | "imported schmoo after making cowpie" | [14:34] |
| shinohai: | lol @ barn app | [14:35] |
| Framedragger: | https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/peekaboo-barn/id300590611?mt=8 | [14:36] |
| shinohai: | lel | [14:37] |
| shinohai: | I wouldn't be surprised if they actually found that entertaining. | [14:37] |
| shinohai: | https://medium.com/@jonaldfyookball/an-open-letter-to-bitcoin-miners-c260467e1f0 <<< /me doesn't know why he lolz so much at smacktards that write this drivel. | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other random shit nobody cares about, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQQLszjH0k (america, venim!) is quite the ultimate documentary of just what inenarrable scum romanians actually are. | [14:40] |
| asciilifeform: | 'I bought my first Bitcoins in 2013 and have been active on the Bitcointalk forum since March, 2014.... I’m concerned. I believe we urgently need to find a scaling solution, and I believe the best solution is to increase the blocksize.' << lol, betcha these come out of a perl script by nao | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | i've been watching it in 10 minute installments with half hour cussing breaks. | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform just about. | [14:41] |
| Framedragger: | !#s wiseau the room | [14:42] |
| a111: | 0 results for "wiseau the room", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wiseau%20the%20room | [14:42] |
| Framedragger: | ^ THIS is the ultimate film to watch | [14:42] |
| asciilifeform: | http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5YKB/?raw=true >> mod6 , phf, et al | [14:42] |
| shinohai: | I was already convinced that Roger Ver populates r/btc with markov bots. Can't even find anything to Qntra about there unless BU breaks, etc. | [14:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | Framedragger whassit ? | [14:46] |
| Framedragger: | hailed as "citizen kane of bad movies". for a reason! it's terrible, horrible, amazing movie you should watch! | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | ah. | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | this isn't a bad movie. it's insufferable, because it is a good movie about cockroaches that really shouldn't exist. | [14:47] |
| Framedragger: | you mean the romanian one? aha ok ic | [14:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | lmao. wtf is with the florist scene, sounds like porn dialogue. | [14:56] |
| Framedragger: | http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170516/#218 << will do, yeah... it does require some fiddling (e.g. http://karlcordes.com/coreboot-x220/) | [14:57] |
| scriba: | Logged on 2017-05-16: [05:15:35] <pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :) | [14:57] |
| Framedragger: | mircea_popescu: you mean the completely unnecessary scene in the room? film is full of those. it's amazing i tell you | [14:58] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger, pete_dushenski : ftr i dun see the point of the 'partial fix' | [14:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's christopher walken, right ? | [14:58] |
| Framedragger: | hahah | [14:58] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: yeah esp. for x220 and the likes when it's truly only very partial | [14:59] |
| Framedragger: | (leaves the 'kernel', etc) | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | it's partial EVERYWHERE | [14:59] |
| Framedragger: | aha right. | [14:59] |
| deedbot: | http://qntra.net/2017/05/mizzou-protest-fallout-continues-with-crashing-rental-market/ << Qntra - Mizzou Protest Fallout Continues With Crashing Rental Market | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | and will be until somebody coughts up the intel privkey | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | and possibly not then, either, nobody has any idea what is in the rom. | [14:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, how'd you verify it. | [14:59] |
| asciilifeform: | medicine for a corpse. | [14:59] |
| mod6: | <+asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5YKB/?raw=true >> mod6 , phf, et al << thx for the update! | [15:12] |
| asciilifeform: | np mod6 . lemme know if any part of it does not make sense to you. | [15:18] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, ~whole thing is trivially siliconizable/fpgaizable, given as it does not rely on von neumann flow control for anything | [15:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and the loops could be unrolled in place, even. ) | [15:20] |
| ben_vulpes: | didja know that leebs think gross receipts taxes are a great idea? http://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/05/09/commissioner-chloe-eudaly-and-advocates-prepare-to-launch-a-climate-change-tax-on-corporations/ | [15:28] |
| Framedragger: | asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re verify, presumably one may be able to set some parts of the firmware to be RO? problem is, not all parts, and even then, "how deeply do you trust". so yeah i guess sisyphean | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | Framedragger: the mask rom | [15:28] |
| asciilifeform: | not the bios | [15:28] |
| Framedragger: | hm right. | [15:28] |
| ben_vulpes: | will pay for solar panels, community gardens for the poor, and jaeorbs for women/people of color! | [15:29] |
| asciilifeform: | the fritz chip starts from mask rom, the contents of which are unknown (and potentially unique per-batch at factory) and it in fact brings up the remainder of the cpu | [15:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes hey, i have various cos paying 3% of gross in ro. works great for high margin operations. | [15:39] |
| mircea_popescu: | (no, it's not "on top of everything". it's either of net or of gross, your option._ | [15:40] |
| asciilifeform: | why would anybody ~want~ to pay of-gross ? | [15:40] |
| mircea_popescu: | because cheapewr. | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | how's that work ? | [15:41] |
| asciilifeform: | 3% of X > 3% of (X-y), where y>0, neh ? | [15:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | suppose you have 1mn gross receipts. if you pay 3% of gross, you're paying 30k. if you instead pay 16% of net, you'll have to produce expenses worth 850k before it's cheaper that way. | [15:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | discount cost of expenses is about 6-7% depending, meaning it's not worth it to buy them straight. | [15:42] |
| ben_vulpes: | there is no 'either' on the table here. | [15:43] |
| ben_vulpes: | femfuhrer simply wants 1% of the largest pile in sight. | [15:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | yes, but you were discussing the thing in general, so i gave you specific example of exception. | [15:43] |
| asciilifeform: | if you're , e.g., 'uber', or some other bezzleco, and your net 'is' 0, you pay 0, neh ? | [15:43] |
| trinque: | pdx income tax has been otw since that arts tax thing | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun see, still, how %-of-net can possibly be greater or equal to %-of-gross | [15:44] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: because they can argue a greater percentage of "omg they were just going to pocket it" than of "and we also have to pay things you don't know about" | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform yes, but then you have to actually have the expenses. and then the inept game of "oh, disallowed extemption, we decided you owe money retrospectively plus penalties etc" | [15:44] |
| asciilifeform: | naggumization lol | [15:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | and so now you have to maintain accountants + hitmen, and neither one is sufficient, to keep enough pressure on the crown so it can't come up with bullshit. | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | half the time it does anyway. | [15:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | irl, paying tax out of net is a sucker's game. you want to pay the talent out of net, like they do in holyingwood, and the criminals out of gross. | [15:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the alternative is to shoot the "democratically elected" and take over. and the sad truth of the matter is that it's actually AN EVEN WORSE DEAL. | [15:47] |
| * mircea_popescu | wouldn't take over eg romania if they paid. i can't imagine oregon or w/e is any better | [15:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | though i've not seen the numbers. | [15:47] |
| ben_vulpes: | and he asks why i don't burn down city hall. | [15:47] |
| asciilifeform: | which romania, though. the current demooocracy one, or a re-created 18th c. one, consisting of current minus the moocows (sell to dairy farmers, berbers, whichever specialists) | [15:48] |
| trinque: | asciilifeform: think of the expense of holding that territory, and then you have all these underlings who don't want to pay you! | [15:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | the runway is not worth the bomb, asciilifeform | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | nor is the "person" worth the bullet. | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | hm speaking of the bomb, iirc great U deposits in ro | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | myeah. | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | if you want to hold territory, i could think of less useful one to hold. | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | 2/3 of ru nuclear programme comes from re quartzes. | [15:49] |
| asciilifeform: | and gdr aha | [15:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform i could think of less useful myself, or of more useful also. but i can think of no ~useful~. | [15:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | less clean sewage, more clean sewage, just no potable water s'all. | [15:50] |
| asciilifeform: | i suspect that the 'ju-jitsu' kit, 'club enemy with his own arm', 'sit on river side and wait for corpses to float by', has limitations and for some things you probably need a physical castle. but then again i'm not in the mircea_popescuation business. | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. i personally know two ... groups, let's say, that triedf the whole take over game. leaving aside the petty private satisfactions [of jailing the other trailer park trash they grew up with], economically it's been improductive. | [15:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | romania incidentally has a long history of just this, it's called fanarioti period. hundreds of groups over 3-4 centuries did just this, kept taking over because pissed off with insolence of ex crown. discovered worse deal to be king. | [15:52] |
| asciilifeform: | 'Тяжела ты, шапка Мономаха!' (tm)(r)(pushkin) | [15:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | aha | [15:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway, heuristic remains : pay anyone you can fire out of net, anyone else out of gross. | [15:56] |
| mircea_popescu: | trinque the adventure of say rhodesia is instructive. suddenly the imbecile twitter horde is trying to play counterstrike around your borders "for democracy", while the idiots are cheering them on. god fucking forbid black dudes with machine guns start pouring over border in us, at the rate of a few thousands a year. | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | TERRORISM!!!! and THE WHOLE WORLD MUST GIVE A SHIT!! AND THEREFORE DOES!!! | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the netflix scum nod along, "oh yes, terrible, terrorism, moo, moo" | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | then again, the us of today would pretty much collapse in a year of rhodesia treatment, supposing anyone could be arsed to apply it. | [15:59] |
| mircea_popescu: | its continued existence signifies the absence of interest and exactly no more. | [16:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform remember when teh politburo shat it because they imagined the chinese'll start pouring over the border ? | [16:00] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [16:01] |
| asciilifeform: | usa has the extra-lulzy feature that it ~relies~ on porous borders in order to work (~100% of agriculture, construction, etc. business in various places is mexican) | [16:01] |
| trinque: | god who wants it | [16:01] |
| asciilifeform: | so closing borders, even supposing this were somehow desired by the lizards, ain't happening | [16:02] |
| trinque: | all these fat women, and sidewalks filled with human shit and shit humans. | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: that's fixable. | [16:02] |
| asciilifeform: | bullet is 10 cents, zyklob-b -- cheaper yet | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | *zyklon | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | everything's fixable in this sense. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | we could all be young and the walls could be ivory. | [16:03] |
| asciilifeform: | perhaps not, but the sidewalks ~could~ be shit-free. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | and they're not worth the cleaning. | [16:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | you say you worked in biolab. you must've encountered the phial not worth the washing, yes ? | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | "this set, straight to incinerator". | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: ~nobody ever washed ~anything | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | in fact. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | but why! could have washed! good as new! | [16:04] |
| trinque: | there was perhaps some land worth ruling, who knows. but wtf, somebody's going to be father-janitor to these people. | [16:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | fact is, the crap growing in agar bottle manages to soil the bottle. permanently. | [16:04] |
| asciilifeform: | chinese experience in africa suggests otherwise. rm -rf / the locals, ship in worker bees. | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | chinese have the bees. | [16:05] |
| trinque: | the future being at all worthwhile is going to involve massive ratios of man to drone and drone to bodycount. | [16:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | while that lasts. god knows the scum are trying their best to scumify china as well and sadder still -- the ~only reason it exists is that it's really just an alternate pathway to scum. slightly different sort of cockroach, that's all and no more. | [16:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | the ~only reason it resists* i mean. | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | though the two are just about synonymous in context. | [16:07] |
| asciilifeform: | which is why north kr was priceless treasure -- the ONLY remaining experiment with industry sans konsoomer-spending-britneyizes-all | [16:09] |
| asciilifeform: | it dies ( and it will die, there is limit to how many decades you can dance from a noose tightened by entire 'civilized' world ) there will be 0 remaining. | [16:10] |
| asciilifeform: | ( incidentally : https://archive.is/RcYWV << a very rare bit of sane description of subj in english ) | [16:11] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is not true. myanmar, fine example | [16:11] |
| asciilifeform: | what industry there ? | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | notice how silent the "crowd wisdom" is about all that ? | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~same as best korea. | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | how many migs they make in a year ? from what mines, the ore ? | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | how many men under arms ? who made the arms ? | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | no comparison. | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | wait, pyonyang makes migs per year ? | [16:12] |
| asciilifeform: | supposedly! ( i dun work there , cannot confirm ) | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm telling you. ~same. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | at this point i'd doubt that they make anything at all in north kr. it is on deathbed. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | but at one point -- made. | [16:13] |
| trinque: | when slurping the USSR's cock? | [16:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | at one point. at one point i lived off tit milk. | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: after. | [16:13] |
| trinque: | nb | [16:13] |
| asciilifeform: | trinque: believe or not, they spat it out, and it causes much butthurtz - refused, e.g., electric supply from su, insisted on building own, expelled military 'advisors', etc | [16:15] |
| asciilifeform: | 1960s. | [16:15] |
| asciilifeform: | *caused much | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | anyway. the reason i point out burma is because the coup was successful, and the country is industrializing at chinese pace. | [16:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | whereas korea... whatever. it's gone, has been gone for decades. | [16:15] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: what do they make in burma ? | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | by now, pretty much everything, all the way to diesel trucks, tractors etc. | [16:16] |
| asciilifeform: | local ore ? | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | chinese help. you know, just like n korea had ru help. | [16:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | but ~just~ like. on schedule to "spit it out" 2025 or so. | [16:16] |
| asciilifeform: | yes but q is re what will happen if help goes to 0 | [16:17] |
| asciilifeform: | and borders -- close. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | borders are quite closed, to eg, esl precious cuntlet. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | otherwise, same as in korea - 20 years of slowly fading away. | [16:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the general point being : the anglotard narrative is fundamentally broken. it's not you know, "broadly correct, needs adjustment". it can't be fixed. whatever you read in english newspaper makes you dumber, and you can't fix this. | [16:18] |
| mircea_popescu: | where by newspaper we mean the whole gamut of fake news, from redditwittetardopedia to "the new socialist" or w/e it's called. | [16:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | in other shops from bruces: http://68.media.tumblr.com/dd45666cbb61ec58d0cd41d4eb8f4b04/tumblr_oq22gmTurk1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg | [17:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | mircea_popescu: aha, "the new wokesman" | [17:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | haw haw haw "Italian Commission Says More Controls Needed on NGO Rescue Boats in Mediterranean" | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform: | !!up ua | [17:29] |
| deedbot: | ua voiced for 30 minutes. | [17:29] |
| ua: | hi there | [17:29] |
| ua: | I have 20x Dell SC1435 available, these are 2x quad 2.2 Opteron 2374HE 16GB RAM 80GB HDD | [17:30] |
| ua: | there are post leasing from poland, 175 euro apiece, 50 euro cheaper than i saw on ebay.de | [17:30] |
| ua: | these are* | [17:30] |
| ua: | also i could deliver them in person in like east germany | [17:32] |
| asciilifeform: | ua: do you only sell servers, or run an isp ? | [17:35] |
| ua: | only servers | [17:36] |
| ben_vulpes: | !!key ua | [17:37] |
| deedbot: | Not registered. | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes yeah, like that. | [17:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | ua logging -otc since 2013, still not made a key ? what is this, some kind of joke ? | [17:50] |
| ua: | eh, no | [17:51] |
| ua: | i was just reading and stuff | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh i see. | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | keep to it. | [17:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | !!down ua | [17:51] |
| ben_vulpes: | best binary give-a-shit filter on randos. | [18:02] |
| ben_vulpes: | no key, not even worth a cursory second look. | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | not even a rando. the newborn has the excuse that he wasn't there to hear the calling but the dorks who frittered their time away in presence have no excuse, nor any way to wash the shame of their cowardly, subhuman build. | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu: | there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | no way to wash this, and i will prosecute them. all, the same scum. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu: | the whole "so email him" comes with quite the heavy backhand. there's no washing of the treason of not showing up. | [18:05] |
| ben_vulpes: | the genuinely naive with two brain cells to rub together mighta at least asked "what dat" "how do i register" etc | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's no such thing as genuine naivite enduring over half a decade unchanged. | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | it's dedication to the devil, plain. | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform: | ben_vulpes: when's the last time an insect asked you something | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform: | it ain't a rhetorical flourish, either -- nubbinses live life entirely same as a roach : set of reflexes | [18:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | yes well, i'm not going to grep through my personal logs to find out if a fleanode name'd been used before | [18:06] |
| ben_vulpes: | sit on couch, smoke pot, print things. | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform: | unrelatedly, 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' (kornerup & matula, cambridge press) is mega-b00k, the only one i've found on subj that is NOT a mere plagiarism of knuth, has useful algos for e.g. carry-free ops, hardwarizations | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform: | had, among other things, almost literally my multiply-with-carry thing | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform: | if the crate had not taken as long as it did, to come -- would have saved quite a bit of time. | [18:11] |
| ben_vulpes: | in further butthurt from unidentifiedasswipe: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FZ4aR/?raw=true | [18:17] |
| shinohai: | lol ben_vulpes | [18:18] |
| * shinohai | imagines this is speshul snowflake of redditard variety. | [18:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | the "could i" construction indicates a particular breed of poverty-stricken subject of her "majesty" | [18:19] |
| ben_vulpes: | to whose crown it does no credit. | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform books rule, totally, i see it. | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | perfect medium for knowledge : while you wait for them to show up, you become more knowledgeable. | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | ben_vulpes let me guess, the ever-sweet delusion that there's room "for everyone" and that whether random sack of flesh burns or achieves is somehow my fucking problem, not its fucking problem, cuz im supposed to be his mommy. | [19:10] |
| ben_vulpes: | more of a sad little "what would getting into the wot at this late date get me anyways?" | [19:19] |
| mircea_popescu: | isn't this a little like the 18 yo girlie asking "what'd getting into fucking this late get me anyways, people'd been fucking forever" | [19:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | obviously not the fucking same question for the deeply retarded female that waited to be 50 first. | [19:22] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: actually it was infuriating, i only needed that 1 pg ! | [19:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | aww, | [19:26] |
| asciilifeform: | well possibly it has something to say re mod-exp | [19:27] |
| trinque: | ben_vulpes: this guy somehow reminds me of teh spike-sitting salesbro | [19:29] |
| trinque: | tone of "hmph so hurt omg having fit" | [19:30] |
| ben_vulpes: | do salesbros of commodity hardware throw fits where people can see? | [19:40] |
| trinque: | head too far up ass to tell who's looking. | [19:48] |
| mod6: | evenin' | [21:12] |
| ben_vulpes: | heya mod6 | [21:37] |
| shinohai: | heya mod6 how goes? | [21:40] |
| mod6: | hi :] | [21:42] |
| mod6: | good. how about you guys? | [21:42] |
| shinohai: | Good here ... looking over asciilifeform 's paste from earlier | [21:48] |
| shinohai: | Like reading korean to me xD | [21:48] |
| mod6: | werd. feel free to ask if you have questions. | [21:51] |
| shinohai: | Thank you! | [21:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | north or south ? | [22:41] |
| mircea_popescu: | in other lulz, washpo aggitating over how trump gave putin "Secret Infoz!" | [22:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | notwithstanding that a) trump decides what's secret and what isn't and b) lolreally ? wtf did the blue state imagine diplomacy is ? reading the fake news outloud ? | [22:46] |
| asciilifeform: | hey, theoretically he also decides whether to import aztlan or not | [22:52] |
| trinque: | trump loves suing people what prevents him as president for suing the rag for libel? | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | and whether to fund berkeley genderschool or not | [22:53] |
| trinque: | *from | [22:53] |
| asciilifeform: | did he sue the rape whiners ? | [22:54] |
| asciilifeform: | like killing ants with cannon. | [22:55] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other news I think I accidently acquired alf's pole saw from hell | [22:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | Fucking piece of shit has "automatic oiler" that consists of leak half of oil reservoir between filling and picking up saw | [22:57] |
| trinque: | they sell the oil I take it? | [22:58] |
| trinque: | if not, not getting the full printer-ink out of the scam. | [22:58] |
| BingoBoingo: | trinque: It uses standard 90 weight bar and chain oil | [22:58] |
| ben_vulpes: | BingoBoingo: my dad's electric chainsaw leaks like a leeb too | [22:58] |
| * BingoBoingo | contemplating sawing "fuck electric line" renting CS-800P and taking the whole fucking tree down | [23:00] |
| asciilifeform: | lol BingoBoingo , mine had no oiler, i had to take it to pieces half dozen times and put molybdenum in | [23:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | lol | [23:01] |
| asciilifeform: | chain wasn't fond of staying on | [23:01] |
| BingoBoingo: | Constantly readjusting chain tension happens with small bars, nbd. Dumping 90 weight straight through alleged "reservoir" and calling it automatic oiling is sin. | [23:05] |
| * BingoBoingo | should have heeded alf's warning on the concept of pole mounted chainsaw and simply skipped to 36" bar and attacked tree at the stump | [23:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | i thought you just keep uncapped barrel of oil around, dip chainsaw in now and again. | [23:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nah, that's how you cut metal with not a chainsaw | [23:33] |
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