Forum logs for 15 May 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: well... prototyping [02:02]
ben_vulpes: anything airborne without a human on it. [02:30]
davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly [06:32]
danielpbarron: later tell BingoBoingo article on core fork says "has not yet publically made any public statements" -- seeme redundant [09:15]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [09:15]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: fxd [09:23]
BingoBoingo: [09:31]
BingoBoingo: Moar MP copycatting [09:34]
BingoBoingo: In other BitButtBet lolz [09:37]
BingoBoingo: [09:53]
shinohai: lol [09:54]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, not prototyping. production. [10:22]
asciilifeform: phf awake ? [10:22]
asciilifeform: log STILL DEAD [10:22]
shinohai: D: [10:32]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' [10:32]
asciilifeform: the ottoman empire, iirc, never invented quotas. [10:33]
asciilifeform: so the armenians ended up filling all the juicy posts. for a while. [10:34]
asciilifeform: after which - gas. [10:34]
asciilifeform: not that quota would have helped. [10:34]
asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. [10:37]
asciilifeform: the american college racket illustrates this better than anything else i could think of [10:38]
asciilifeform: for n00bz: there are really three types of higher ed racket in usa. [10:38]
shinohai: later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D [10:39]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [10:39]
asciilifeform: one, the largest, is the public unis - most of which originally began as late 19th c. land grants, and formerly taught useful things - agronomy, mining, metallurgy, etc. [10:39]
asciilifeform: that is where most folks go. incl. asciilifeform. [10:39]
asciilifeform: another, smaller (people-wise, financially - mega-hedgefunds, as described in l0gz) is the 'privates' [10:40]
asciilifeform: these are not really schools in the ordinary sense. yes, you can take classes, but it is nearly impossible to flunk, and really admission to, e.g., yale, is equiv. of nomenklatura membership. [10:40]
asciilifeform: the third type, included here for completeness, is 'spam school', a straight chumpatron perpetrated largely on uppity proles. formerly cornered by places like 'strayer' but now the big boiz are expanding into the market. [10:41]
asciilifeform: these issue faux 'master degree' in fields like 'homeland security.' [10:41]
asciilifeform: so knowing all of this, it is quite obvious, the americans do not want a 90%-chinese nomenklatura 20yrs from now. [10:42]
asciilifeform: they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting. [10:43]
mircea_popescu: << no they had published their research in 2005, it's just a) nobody saw it and b) it's STILL not fucking published omfg. [10:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 13:34 BingoBoingo: Moar MP copycatting [10:55]
mircea_popescu: do you know what the most read file for the month is, on trilema ? linked from [10:56]
mircea_popescu: but perhaps if you're esl, "made public" means "made privately available to some people who aren't us" or something. god knows everything else means something else, so what the hell's the difference. [10:56]
mircea_popescu: but anyway, looking forward to more "{Security researchers|IT specialists|Computer experts} with {University of Derp in Derpistan|USG.RedHat.Whatever|The HTTPS Internet} published {Literotica|Fetlife|OkCupid||Phuctor|whatever} {database|userlist|secret excel codebase} publicly! We don't have a copy because we don't believe in things, we prefer names." [10:59]
mircea_popescu: at least it won't make alf feel too alone. [11:00]
mircea_popescu: << i checked, seems to be fixed. does it self-heal phf or do you have to tickle tits by hand ? [11:00]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 10:32 davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly [11:00]
phf: manual tit tickling [11:01]
mircea_popescu: << disappeared ? [11:01]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 13:37 BingoBoingo: In other BitButtBet lolz [11:01]
phf: on the bright side it looks like i finally have time to work on some code improvements [11:02]
mircea_popescu: very good. see that this is a very iffy point of failure, in the sense that the chances to end up an enemy of the people inadvertently are possibly best. seeing the logs incorrect gets ~everyone's defcon level up a notch or two [11:04]
mircea_popescu: << and if brass had unmitigated audacity to answer "because the jews educate their women to be sluts, which results in the boys being motivated to think, which means one of them can eat ten of your evanghelical shitheaded sons for breakfast. fix your fucking religion, you're lagging behind the fucking irish, even the negro reinterpretation thereof is more socially productive" (as a fe [11:06]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' [11:06]
mircea_popescu: w actually did!) would have more or less brought back the burning stake. [11:06]
phf: i personally prefer logs to be accidentally realtime, but with stronger correctness guarantees, so it's down for a bit, but there's no message loss. otherwise we have a new jersey solution of "check that a111 is in chan before you say things that you don't want lost" [11:07]
mircea_popescu: phf i agree to the concept. [11:07]
phf: but seeing the general freak out that happens, i think that i'd rather it was self healing, and a message or two was lost :p [11:08]
mircea_popescu: you certainly can't put later lines in if earlier lines are missing, that's asking for black eyes. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: nah. [11:08]
mircea_popescu: << it's more complicated. turks believed that it is below the dignity of a warrior (you have to remember - for a stretch about a degree of magnitude longer than "modernity", being the guy who beat up the cows, bipedal or otherwise, and took their shit was the only respectable line of work for a healthy male starting with the romans) to learn languages. [11:11]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:34 asciilifeform: not that quota would have helped. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: in their view, strangely mirrored by various other failed warrior castes, such as the manchuku or the usg, translation is a whore's job. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: this view may even be correct but then their inability to maintain abundant, loyal whores is very striking. it's such an obvious point of failure, after all. but hey, not that i don't understand them - the whore will kneel lovingly, but not before every idiot. and being a self-indulgent idiot is so much... easier... and nicer... and pushing yourself so... hmm... is it even compatible with the dignity of warrior ? ain't that [11:13]
mircea_popescu: what you do to slaves ? [11:13]
mircea_popescu: and then it blows up. [11:13]
mircea_popescu: << no bojum, basic or otherwise. the problem is long solved and the solution well known. i even published it, but you overlooked. [11:14]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:37 asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. [11:14]
mircea_popescu: "The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is. The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not particularly fixed, at least in the sense of it being extensible (in fact the list was 25 names long earlier). Therefore, objections on this line will have to be a lot more refined than si [11:16]
mircea_popescu: mply "it's undemocratic and therefore bad" or "it's unrepresentative and therefore evil". Reality doesn't work that way." [11:16]
mircea_popescu: the notion that meritocracy means "EVERY meritous individual" gets a place is buluceala out and out, and has nothing to do with meritocracy. such a socialist rewriting of the concept is an insult to humanity in the first place but to sit and wonder why the cardboard cut "in the shape of a car" and with car written on it doesn't take you places... cmon. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: meritocracy means that all involved are competent not, pointedly not, that all competent are involved. [11:17]
mircea_popescu: and yesterday's discussion with hanbot diana_coman et all is very apropos : [11:18]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-14 19:40 mircea_popescu: why ? [11:18]
mircea_popescu: as phf says, "it's nice to make an effort to see the competent are accidentally included". there's no promise there, nor can be. the only promise is that the shitheads won't long survive. [11:18]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well no shit. but the usg variant specifically lacks a mechanism for 'you are competent but sorry we're out of jam' [11:20]
mircea_popescu: hence the jew quotas. [11:20]
asciilifeform: which is what BingoBoingo's link was about, aha [11:20]
asciilifeform: the added lolspice is also from usg's inability to admit that, e.g., princeton admission, is ration of nomenklatura membership [11:21]
asciilifeform: vs 'edyooocashin' [11:21]
asciilifeform: (which is nominally 'infinite' and 'hyoooman right!1111' etc) [11:21]
mircea_popescu: and you know, in the endless "protocol vs promise" thing (such as - if you free man from labour, you will get incredible developments in culture and civilisation (promise) or else you'll get a horde of decayed re-monkeys (protocol) | respectively "if you include women in the political process, you'll get the fundamental if unobvious points to males, like this one, well included and represented into the public matters (promi [11:22]
mircea_popescu: se) | you'll get a bunch of (protocol)) [11:22]
mircea_popescu: in general it is directly obvious to a woman that "yeah you have a nice cock, but i'm full ty". somehow the point is an egological insult to the healthy male. [11:23]
asciilifeform: simpler than this, even, usgocracy has no provision for arbitrary cuts. given as anybody arbitrarily excluded from whatever ends up forming interest group, 'pumping his rights', etc. and buluceala. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: (to ease the work of the research-scientists and chemists of world renown, egology is a husserlian concept.) [11:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform su had a very similar problem. they all do - turks kinda had to kill all their brothers, including their mother's other sons. [11:25]
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that the woman's clintonicity was 2/3 of the reason guy even had a shot at sultanhood. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: its a bitch not more novel and general literary exploration of that conflict has been produced by the oh-so-unignorant west. it's a fucking fascinating situation. [11:26]
asciilifeform: hey, everybody eats their parents [11:26]
asciilifeform: one way or another. [11:26]
mircea_popescu: today is the day you, a healthy, talented, good riding and accomplished poet of a man, go to your mother who is this woman that saved your life as a 3yo and shared all the ups and downs of the past two decades, [11:27]
asciilifeform: eating siblings is optional, depending on how small is the box you live in. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: to tell her that well... ima strangle all your babies, you may call me chronos now. [11:27]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that they never ate the mother. [11:27]
asciilifeform: only because mother had an ablative coating of spare sultans [11:27]
mircea_popescu: not at all. [11:28]
mircea_popescu: i believe the key to understanding ottoman poetry (which, btw, was very accomplished) is in this tension. [11:28]
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Several surprising things about the Rocky Mountains. - [11:28]
mircea_popescu: and i did not say strangle idly - it was the method for that situation. no idea if you've ever choked anyone but it is a) deeply sexual and b) probably the easiest way to go, outside of freezing, which they had no access to. [11:30]
mircea_popescu: but otherwise ottoman executions rather eastern in their excruciating approach. [11:30]
asciilifeform: eh they didn't choke, they strangled [11:31]
asciilifeform: (as in cut off circulation) [11:31]
asciilifeform: this was carefully specced [11:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes. but i don't expect you'd do this in the bedroom, it's bad for the brain. [11:31]
mircea_popescu: so choking closest experience. imo it carries. [11:31]
asciilifeform: fair [11:31]
asciilifeform: the turks did it with a bowstring though, not bare hands [11:32]
asciilifeform: so not so sexy [11:32]
asciilifeform: two strong blokes pulling each end. [11:32]
mircea_popescu: tryitsometime [11:32]
asciilifeform: relatedly, i was reading a thing re 19th c performers, and one of the tricks lost to modernity is the sport hanging [11:33]
asciilifeform: where folks would string themselves up, properly, with a noose, and (most of the time) live [11:33]
asciilifeform: bouncing to and fro. [11:33]
asciilifeform: to epic roar of crowds. [11:33]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not entirely lost. much to my shock and awe, was recently in an oglaf! [11:34]
asciilifeform: yeah i recall. [11:34]
asciilifeform: but only there. [11:34]
phf: w.s. burroughs wrote about that one a bunch (he had a general obsession with hanging) [11:34]
mircea_popescu: the problem there is, well... "what's the best way to jack off ?" "eh, get kournikova to do it." [11:34]
asciilifeform: aboard dirigible, naturally [11:35]
mircea_popescu: hanging, what's that, couldn't find someone that'd care enough ? [11:35]
asciilifeform: i always found austro-hungarian hanging to be interesting [11:35]
asciilifeform: does everybody know what this was ? [11:36]
phf: details plx [11:36]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, well i dunno if you know or not, but anyway - at the same time women contemplating a career in porn were more than willing to shoot a few features for the more respectable sites ~for free, because they gained popularity and a stamp of quality. [11:36]
asciilifeform: the kind where the rope is perhaps an arm long, and the hangman has to twist yer head just-so to snap it, using rope as a fulcrum [11:36]
mircea_popescu: ~same thing was reprised with the "leaked" "sex tapes" by proletariat whores, aka "pop singers" [11:36]
mircea_popescu: anyway : as i watched the woman be in 50% of the shots and never ever win anything, it occured to me that maybe she's doing the same thing, only much better ? [11:37]
mircea_popescu: i never pursued the matter and by now i guess she'd be old. but anyway. [11:37]
* asciilifeform is too thick to see the connection [11:38]
mircea_popescu: maybe you don't need a dirigible ? [11:38]
asciilifeform: it is almost at the level of postulate, that folks who have dirigible are those who don't need. [11:39]
mircea_popescu: well no, if she's working she's working, save for a few months and get a proper handjob. [11:39]
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu specifically explained that this is not how pro grade whores work ? [11:40]
asciilifeform: that it is more like buying plutonium than milk [11:40]
asciilifeform: i.e. you gotta 'be someone.' [11:40]
mircea_popescu: anyway, review the woman's record, she smells like a fixed up wonder from a mile away. "you can't fix the champ", sez rod steiger. she never lost... to anyone outside of the tops. [11:41]
mircea_popescu: if the ru mob had any brains, she'd have been exactly that, [11:41]
mircea_popescu: oh nm, birdy sez she married.... wait for this one... enrique iglesias! [11:42]
mircea_popescu: bnwahjahaha o lordy. [11:42]
* asciilifeform in the depths of his pit, has heard of none of these people [11:42]
mircea_popescu: son of julio a sort of latino michael. they still trot him out, propped against some wood and a chick or two to sell perfume or w/e [11:43]
mircea_popescu: << aaahahahaha what, alf went to agricultural college ?! dudewhat, like the kursk state agricultural academy ?! [11:44]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:39 asciilifeform: that is where most folks go. incl. asciilifeform. [11:44]
asciilifeform: u. of md. [11:44]
mircea_popescu: justabout ? [11:44]
mircea_popescu: how's the party scene [11:44]
asciilifeform: it, like all of the others, was originally an agronomic thing, eons ago. and there are still signs of it everywhere [11:44]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today there is precious little left but for the party. [11:45]
asciilifeform: these are generally a snore imho. [11:45]
mircea_popescu: if i had parents not only idiotic enough to insist i get a degree but actually brain-manged enough to do this in the us, i'd have gone to arizona u. definitely. [11:45]
asciilifeform: but yes, they still have a good chunk of campus devoted to animals, and fields for 'test crop', etc. [11:46]
asciilifeform: even a motherfucking beehive. [11:46]
mircea_popescu: few summers back, took girls to field to observe beehives and other such orchard lovely things. motherfucking bee came out of nowhere, stung me in the ear. [11:48]
asciilifeform: happenz [11:48]
asciilifeform: i can walk into my back yard right now and get stung by 7 types of insect. [11:49]
mircea_popescu: that bee had it in for me. [11:49]
asciilifeform: in one evening. [11:49]
asciilifeform: we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here [11:49]
asciilifeform: it comes out of burrow and machineguns your feet [11:49]
asciilifeform: repeatedly [11:49]
asciilifeform: even goes through socks [11:50]
mircea_popescu: evil. [11:50]
asciilifeform: these lands, they be cursed. [11:50]
mircea_popescu: so tuition is by now like 50k a year huh. [11:53]
asciilifeform: approx. [11:53]
asciilifeform: and this is the 'cheap' sort. [11:54]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's the expensive sort. upenn et co. the cheap sort do 10k instate-20-odd k out of state. exactly like a community/agricollege. [11:54]
asciilifeform: iirf those turned into 50. [11:54]
asciilifeform: *iirc [11:54]
mircea_popescu: i'm looking at teh data. [11:54]
asciilifeform: md was a 10/20 a decade ago. [11:54]
mod6: <+shinohai> later tell mod6 << ahh cool! what's it do? [11:55]
shinohai: hold on I'll bring it to ur chan [11:55]
mod6: <+shinohai> later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D << ah, ok. are you wanting to take yours all the way? [11:55]
mod6: what i also want to build is a CI thingy for trb [11:56]
shinohai: just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much [11:56]
mod6: someone drops in their vpatch somewhere, it verifies that it doesn't have to be rebased, then spins up an instance somewhere and builds the full orchastra, and then runs tests against it. [11:56]
mod6: automagically. [11:57]
mircea_popescu: that sounds pretty spiffy. large job tho [11:57]
asciilifeform: neato [11:57]
asciilifeform: but sorta duplicates the things that you gotta do on your end anyway [11:57]
asciilifeform: when writing a patch [11:57]
mod6: yeah, bunch of stuff there. something to work towards. [11:57]
mod6: yah, but this verifies stuff for historical purposes and helps regression test a bit. [11:57]
mircea_popescu: << not that they've not earned it, but as far as i'm concerned tmsr is here to take a bite out of that market. [11:58]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 14:43 asciilifeform: they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting. [11:58]
mod6: everyone should do these things on their own. [11:58]
mod6: but... still. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's good mod6 [11:58]
mod6: <+shinohai> just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much << ok no worries then, just wanna ensure we're not duplicating work and what not. [11:59]
mod6: ok. [12:03]
mod6: if anyone has some interesting in working on a CI project with ole mod6, lemme know. it'll take some doing, but it could be pretty worthwhile. [12:04]
mod6: it should be that anyone in L1 can use it really. [12:04]
mod6: anyone outside can get their vpatch "sponsored" after review & needsRebase returns false [12:05]
mircea_popescu: :D [12:05]
mircea_popescu: check that out. [12:06]
shinohai: Excellent work this month tho mod6 [12:06]
mod6: o7 [12:06]
mod6: im ciked that phuctor is crushing keys while i sleep, ride the train, eat a sandwich [12:07]
mod6: i wanna write a snarffer for this that tweets these things out [12:10]
mircea_popescu: not that much of a priority. let them read the logs, what. [12:11]
mod6: was thinking it'd be neat to cross-ref the email to some live twitter acct and tag 'em [12:11]
mircea_popescu: imo going the wrong way. [12:12]
asciilifeform: ^ [12:12]
mircea_popescu: point's been made, let em stew in denial now for a little bit, we come back to it later. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: you don't argue uphill with a dumbass. you just smack him now and again. [12:12]
asciilifeform: twatter will close the acct for 'abuse' and work - wasted. [12:12]
mod6: like this guys email: Alan Cox <> goes to: (probably) [12:12]
mircea_popescu: seriously, much better things to do with your time. [12:13]
mircea_popescu: not that the idea is without merit, or technologically uninteresting. but the move is politically inexpedient. [12:13]
mod6: fair enough [12:13]
danielpbarron: later tell jurov may I please get some coppers today? [12:16]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [12:16]
shinohai: BingoBoingo: [12:25]
asciilifeform: was BingoBoingo into this subj yet when we did the crematorium thread ? [12:44]
asciilifeform: (somewhere deep in the logz...) [12:44]
jurov: danielpbarron: depends on how much of some [12:46]
danielpbarron: at least 100 mn [12:51]
mircea_popescu: this'll be a heated auction i take it ? [12:51]
mircea_popescu: jurov noob also wanted some fwis. [12:51]
jurov: in any case, i need refill, can be 10BTC again [13:16]
mircea_popescu: jurov will do. trade in game ? [13:19]
jurov: y [13:19]
shinohai: jurov btw i finally made account, how to add qntra ? [13:25]
jurov: shinohai: you send me gpg signed request to add all your qntra shares to coinbr account X , and if you want, to do it automatically from now on [13:27]
shinohai: kk thanks! [13:29]
deedbot: [Trilema] The Eastern "RPG" - [13:32]
shinohai: later tell jurov [14:22]
gribble: The operation succeeded. [14:22]
jurov: shinohai: done [14:37]
shinohai: ty jurov! <3 [14:37]
mircea_popescu: and in other funs, [15:21]
mircea_popescu: these "forensic experts" identifying "the wallet addresses used by the hackers" are such experts indeed. [15:24]
shinohai: $rated jurov [15:36]
deedbot: shinohai has not rated jurov. [15:36]
shinohai: $rate jurov 2 [15:36]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [15:36]
shinohai: $v 484EC527405FBC53F0C03795D9F6C2716ED2FEC0A6DD24ED572297E7A5BFDA57 [15:36]
deedbot: shinohai rated jurov 2 << [15:37]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << disappeared ? << Didn't load, hence lulz [21:36]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 13:37 BingoBoingo: In other BitButtBet lolz [21:36]
mircea_popescu: oh [21:37]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here << easy to get rid of [21:43]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Errored out on loading, but basically they closed the DAOscam bet early with a refund. [21:45]
mircea_popescu: oh [21:45]
asciilifeform: << land mine also 'easy to get rid of' [21:55]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 01:43 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here << easy to get rid of [21:55]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do you know where thier hole is? [21:55]
asciilifeform: nope [21:55]
asciilifeform: nor how many, wtf, srsly [21:56]
BingoBoingo: Anyways once you find their holes pour a bit of gasoline down there and then plug the hole with dirt. [22:01]
mircea_popescu: best party they ever had huh [22:03]
BingoBoingo: yeah [22:04]
BingoBoingo: no underground fire required [22:04]
BingoBoingo: or there's commercial off the shelf aerosol foams that do the same thing, but that's basically the formula. Or do left coasters just let the ground wasps be? [22:06]
BingoBoingo: lol [22:09]
* BingoBoingo ought to just seriously start WoT lawncare service [22:10]
deedbot: [Trilema] All my sons - [22:20]
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