Forum logs for 14 Oct 2016

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
thestringpuller: trinque: dunno if this is reasonable: but for !!wot could we possibly also get !!signedwot ? That is deedbot returns a signed wot-sexp timestamped from some point? doesn't have to update in real time, maybe once a week? ty for your time. [07:14]
thestringpuller: mod6: what's jeezy's numba one rule ? ) [07:15]
mircea_popescu: these "social sciences" idiots. so don't you know, online polls are "unscientific" because they're "opt-in", ie they reflect the views of people who wish their views reflected. meanwhile their "scientific" polls are what, they call people up, ask them some questions, and if those people hang up they ??? get a court order ? get the schmuck sentenced to jail without a definite term, us style, "the key is in your pocket mr!" ? [08:34]
mircea_popescu: and in other webforum lulz, [08:56]
mircea_popescu: "we allow trivial enumeration of users! just like facebook! and reddit! whoooo!" [08:56]
PeterL: pete_dushenski [09:29]
mircea_popescu: the terms of art are giant douche and turd sandwich pete_dushenski [10:17]
mircea_popescu: oops i mean PeterL [10:17]
thestringpuller: interestingly the masses want to bring that same choice to bitcoin. luckily its kinda immune to the stupidity. [10:18]
thestringpuller: maybe people just want to choose between a turd sandwich and giant douche. [10:18]
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that. [10:21]
shinohai: choose thy master for next 4 years [10:21]
thestringpuller: or any debate really. BingoBoingo made a really good blog post about it in relation to sports fanatics. [10:22]
mod6: <+thestringpuller> mod6: what's jeezy's numba one rule ? ) << don't get caught [10:32]
PeterL: mircea_popescu in this case it is fun to go with the anatomical descriptions to complement Johnson [10:38]
mircea_popescu: lol [10:46]
trinque: thestringpuller: I would rather change !!wot to encrypt to the key making the request. [11:19]
mircea_popescu: not like it's not public ? [11:20]
trinque: isn't that, but rather, he wants to know he got the wot dump I sent [11:20]
trinque: really this is a problem of the wire, not the bot [11:20]
mircea_popescu: but he doesn't get to know that. [11:21]
trinque: yeah, as I think about it, seems like not a thing. [11:21]
mircea_popescu: did i miss this discussion in the log ? [11:22]
trinque: [11:22]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-14 11:14 thestringpuller: trinque: dunno if this is reasonable: but for !!wot could we possibly also get !!signedwot ? That is deedbot returns a signed wot-sexp timestamped from some point? doesn't have to update in real time, maybe once a week? ty for your time. [11:22]
mircea_popescu: if you're gonna sign it might as well dump it in the deeds. but it seems rather excessive. [11:23]
thestringpuller: never thought i'd hear that from mircea_popescu [11:24]
mircea_popescu: !#s excessive from:mirc [11:24]
a111: 34 results for "excessive from:mirc", [11:24]
mircea_popescu: anyway. jus wait for gossipd, it'll solve this. [11:25]
trinque: ^^^ [11:25]
thestringpuller: :D [11:40]
kmalkki: apu2 (with AMD PSP) does respond properly to JTAG IDCODE [12:10]
kmalkki: but there is off-by-one error in the bitstream in shift DR stage for HDT commands [12:11]
asciilifeform: kmalkki: iirc in evil mode, it jtags (for pin testing) but won't halt [12:12]
Framedragger: couldn't find anything after (very) cursory glance at logs, so, random question #667: has anyone considered crawling tor hidden services for their rsa (1024 bit iirc!) keys, and dumping them into phuctor? apologies if there was already a discussion with regards to this. [12:40]
Framedragger: as of now this is more-or-less trivially doable. later, tor will move to a new hidden service model where it'll be more difficult to crawl for things. (right now, you can run a node which after a while (if stable enough, etc.) becomes a hidden service directory, and then (if you're sneaky enough) you can log all hidden service key requests, therefore obtaining a large bunch of fingerprints -> public keys.) [12:41]
mircea_popescu: iirc was briefly discussed, nobody gave much of a shit about tor [12:42]
asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc this was suggested but nobody did [12:42]
Framedragger: keyword for future log searches: hsdir [12:42]
mircea_popescu: i think you might be the only fan here. [12:42]
Framedragger: such fan!11 [12:42]
Framedragger: well it'd amount to public service for current HS operators perhaps indeed too much effort. but many lulz, and educational. ok, gotcha. not committing to anything, will ping asciilifeform if i obtain anything. :) [12:43]
mircea_popescu: there was (perhaps more usbstantially interesting) an effort to get the historical databases with silk road junk as maintained by some pothead sifted, both for rsa keys and whatever else [12:44]
mircea_popescu: but this also went nowhere. [12:44]
Framedragger: also for future logs: (i know i know, noone cares) [12:44]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh, yea. maybe it was this gwern dude. (his summary of studies on melatonin *was* helpful for me, so there's that...) [12:45]
Framedragger: gotcha. [12:45]
mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty sure it was [12:45]
mircea_popescu: !#s gwern [12:45]
a111: 34 results for "gwern", [12:45]
Framedragger: (gwern is this eclectic fella who collects all kinds of trash on his site. interestingly, sometimes it piques one's curiosity. ) [12:45]
Framedragger: aha, okay [12:45]
asciilifeform: at one point i was interested in tor, and ran several nodes, but strictly from the point of view of malware collection. [12:45]
Framedragger: asciilifeform: right, cool. i guess if one runs a node they may as well collect some additional info.. i may still have a 'respected' node private key laying about, may be possible to collect those HSDir requests. (but i agree that it may not be very productive effort) [12:47]
mircea_popescu: iirc even at the peak of the whole "anyone could have sent me fake ids with my picture on them because there exists this thing online called silkroad i'm not related to" pothead mania, less than hjalf the idiots used encryption at all, and a tiny fraction of traffic was actually encrypted coming from relatively few keys. as in hundreds rather than hudreds of thousands. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: who knows, possibly shitter than average though. [12:54]
mircea_popescu: speaking of tor & the rest of the retard community, ""Mariana's Web" does not exist. For anyone trying to be the "Jacques Cousteau of the Dark Web": There is no "going deeper". There are no "levels". Please stop asking how to get there." [12:57]
mircea_popescu: via, of course, [12:57]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha man. THE DEEP WEB! such a comedy goldmine. [13:07]
Framedragger: "I had to be quick and stelth" probably apt description of deep web security [13:09]
Framedragger: iirc there *was* a buncha keys on silk road v1. but, not ruling out key re-use / sybil identities. [13:09]
mircea_popescu: << if anyone has an email hacker. [13:09]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i vaguely recall some data about how 1/3 of all encrypted comms on sr historically was from/to usg and its merry band of thieves under another name. [13:10]
Framedragger: hahaha. well, fair enough, can't see why that couldn't have been the case. but if so, even more hilarious! [13:11]
mircea_popescu: this guy is epic. [13:11]
mircea_popescu: [13:11]
asciilifeform: chesterton was there first, in 'man who was thursday' [13:12]
* Framedragger learns of "red rooms" [13:12]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that story was so fucking retarded... [13:13]
mircea_popescu: what, the central council of anarchism and the conveniently-involved uninvolved poet ? [13:14]
asciilifeform: no moar retarded than life [13:14]
mircea_popescu: i guess at least for any definition of life that permits the continued existence of the reddit scum. [13:14]
asciilifeform: 'the scum you will always have with you' or how did it go. [13:15]
mircea_popescu: in other news, "i am vampyr and you can't be vladimir because it's too close to vampyr" [13:15]
thestringpuller: ^^^^^^^^^ [13:15]
thestringpuller: YES [13:15]
thestringpuller: "Burn burn burn down hot topic. Don't let it steal your soul...../ Burnin' down. / Hot topic." - In depeche mode mode [13:16]
mircea_popescu: check out who had his sp history current :p [13:16]
thestringpuller: That was my favorite SP episode for about 3-4 years. [13:17]
thestringpuller: something about the kindergoth's hardcore attitude that is inspiring... [13:19]
mircea_popescu: poor kids. [13:20]
mircea_popescu: first they can't have halloween candy then they can't fight, or climb trees or be home alone or touch or etcetera. by now it's ... pretty much endless re-dos of carmen winstead. [13:26]
pete_dushenski: PeterL: [13:41]
mircea_popescu: in the unlikely case anyone gives a shit. [13:42]
pete_dushenski: yumm, replica watches [13:43]
pete_dushenski: << lol [13:45]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-14 16:57 mircea_popescu: speaking of tor & the rest of the retard community, ""Mariana's Web" does not exist. For anyone trying to be the "Jacques Cousteau of the Dark Web": There is no "going deeper". There are no "levels". Please stop asking how to get there." [13:45]
trinque: pete_dushenski: people have been making Gary Johnson dick jokes for a while now [13:46]
trinque: #feelthejohnson [13:46]
pete_dushenski: aha. much like the bern. [13:46]
pete_dushenski: berning johnson anyone ? get that shit checked out. [13:47]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in other news, "i am vampyr and you can't be vladimir because it's too close to vampyr"<< LOL [13:48]
mircea_popescu: for srs [13:48]
mircea_popescu: names dude. the only reality allowed the lost. [13:49]
pete_dushenski: !#s lael brainard [13:49]
a111: 0 results for "lael brainard", [13:49]
pete_dushenski: "Lael Brainard, the Federal Reserve governor overseeing new technology, says the decentralized method of record-keeping introduced by Bitcoin has the potential to transform multiple aspects of the financial system." << mkay glhf with that 'blockchain' bizniz [13:51]
pete_dushenski: << cancerous looking ol hag [13:51]
pete_dushenski: << in other murders, an entire article on how 'latin america could cut its murder rate by 50 percent' and yet somehow neglects to mention 'be more argentine' anywhere. [13:53]
pete_dushenski: << sounds deadly delectable [13:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-13 01:27 mircea_popescu: in other kickass smoothie news : seven almonds, a dab of purely dark chocolate and two cloves go in the coffee grinder then a banana, fresh brewed coffee, milk, ice and the ground dusts + some vanilla go in the blender. [13:54]
pete_dushenski: << wasn't this milo guy in the ben shapiro camp of mainstream alt-right ? [13:57]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-12 04:17 mats: "Milo: Why Islamic Preachers Prey On Gingers ... MILO explained why gingers are more likely to become Islamic extremists — because they’re ugly and unloved." [13:57]
* pete_dushenski had a cat named milo, probably the best of the 7 or 8 he ever had. [13:58]
pete_dushenski: << vive la fleur de lis! [13:58]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-12 12:10 asciilifeform: << quebec ! [13:58]
pete_dushenski: << same as market in sexual assault, verbal abuse, chauvenism, and the rest of the made-up excuses for firing capable dudes in a power grab and replacing them with hags like lael. [14:00]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-12 19:46 mircea_popescu: much to everyone's couldn't have predicted, there's no genuine MARKET in child porn etc. [14:00]
mircea_popescu: how do these relate ? [14:02]
mircea_popescu: there's an obvious incentive for someone to fuck his coworkers : they're there i have nfi what "verbal abuse" is, but in principle putting people in their place through means other than hitting them in the head is cheaper, so there's evidently a market chauvinism is like revolution or progress, anything to anyone and therefore uninteresting. [14:03]
pete_dushenski: maybe they don't relate except as loosely applied tags or labels for individuals disliked by socialists. not knowing or caring what the words actually mean, libtards just conjure up accusations like 'child pornographer' or 'verbal abuser' when being dismissive. [14:07]
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's evidently stuff like say peter scully's being produced. the notion that some sort of market drives this however is ridoinculous. [14:09]
pete_dushenski: !#s peter scully [14:09]
a111: 1 result for "peter scully", [14:09]
pete_dushenski: so not the scully from xfiles cuz that was a chick. [14:10]
mircea_popescu: some dude, tall old total nut face, butchered an infant in a very sexual manner on tape, apparently tortured a bunch of others. had ran off from au to the philipines for some legal reason. [14:10]
pete_dushenski: aha [14:11]
pete_dushenski: anyways, looks like a hot chocolate kind of day today. the snow started lightly last week but is coming down in earnest today. prolly 10cm on the way. [14:13]
pete_dushenski: too bad there's not more logs to keep me warm. quieter around here without turbo-alf. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: evidently teh enlightened policies of the centralised socialist state, from misrepresenting it as a market to whatever the fuck they do work splendidly : the worst on record dates from last year. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: such success etc. [14:13]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: believe or not, i am doing something useful [14:17]
mircea_popescu: #somethinguseful [14:18]
pete_dushenski: in other success, looks like there's increasing traction for the theory that the terracotta warriors were directly inspired by the greeks and may have even been overseen by greek sculptors, predating marco polo by a millennia in terms of contact between east and west. [14:18]
mircea_popescu: i thought teh anabasis was the first foray. [14:19]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: while useful conversations happen in channel, i have little doubt that shiva would be more productive if he weren't reading and reposting yarvin, bbc, el reg, or whatever 'sekoority' bloggers. it's really not hard for anyone to imagine. [14:20]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: xenophon, rite. /me is actually working on this tome atm. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tu quoque. [14:21]
pete_dushenski: in degrees! [14:22]
* pete_dushenski wonders what planet he is living on where he is as useful to republic as alf [14:30]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: << have a cheer-up [14:35]
pete_dushenski: lol i have a badass life all things considered and need no cheering up, though i appreciate the thought. but i can be no more lenin nor laika than alf. i'm boyar, not barbarossa. [14:40]
pete_dushenski: pleasant tune tho [14:41]
asciilifeform: mega-classic [14:41]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: << the original words, without the englishism. [14:42]
* asciilifeform back to wurk [14:42]
pete_dushenski: cheers [14:44]
deedbot: << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The incremental degrees of observance on Yom Kippur. [15:07]
trinque: what the hell is this "no brushing teeth" ? [15:14]
mats: plaque is sacred [15:14]
ben_vulpes: my node cracked 4gb res yesterday [15:28]
ben_vulpes: > 4137 [15:28]
pete_dushenski: still over 70 connex ? [15:28]
ben_vulpes: down to 47, actually [15:28]
pete_dushenski: huh. mine's up to 73 [15:29]
ben_vulpes: what [15:29]
ben_vulpes: dat [15:29]
asciilifeform: phf, ben_vulpes , et al : can any of you describe to me how /dev/random works on crapple's os ? [16:04]
asciilifeform: and incidentally, this goes for everybody, i'm collecting dd if=/dev/random of=shitball.bin bs=1 count=8388608 && dieharder -a -g 201 -f shitball.bin && ent shitball.bin outputs from anyone who can be bothered [16:06]
asciilifeform: as many types of box as can be had [16:06]
shinohai: >.> [16:06]
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not offhand, no [16:27]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is suspiciously fast [16:42]
asciilifeform: about same speed as /dev/urandom on my gentoo boxen, even. [16:42]
thestringpuller: suspiciously fast? [17:06]
thestringpuller: like libsecp256k1 or whatever crap those power rangers created [17:06]
mod6: asciilifeform: what's the diff between -g 201 and '-g 200' mentioned in lastnight's link? [17:18]
mod6: also, if you want, i can try to run the above command on this apple macbook pro i have access to if you like. [17:18]
mod6: version 3.31.1 ok? [17:19]
mod6: running... [17:21]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger btw ever got around to fixing that thing which makes scriba go dysfunctional ? [17:24]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no. i know it's still there, and i know it's been a long time. it's in my plan. maybe even this weekend, if i can make time. i'll ping you. apologies for rapid slow-down of productivity with regards to #trilema :) [17:27]
asciilifeform: mod6: 200 reads from stdin [17:28]
Framedragger: oh and << thanks trinque! i'll maybe ping you. need to find time to sit down. behind on afk-stuff, but getting back on track (or so i hope) [17:29]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:34 trinque: Framedragger: I can help you fix that python error ping me when available. [17:29]
Framedragger: such anagram adlai [17:30]
asciilifeform: << BingoBoingo -- qntra ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu: aite. [17:31]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger only asked because earlier you were talking about doing more stuff lol [17:31]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Y not, I'll get started [17:33]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no fair enough, i mean that's the plan! and i wouldnt do that before doing this other more important stuff first. :) [17:33]
mircea_popescu: in other flavour news, /me household proceeded to turn a dozen hard boiled eggs + five unboiled eggs into deviled eggs. the final production was evaluated at a shade under 3000 calories, of which i ingurgitated half in one sitting. i feel very pleasantly full and may turn into a boa. [17:38]
Framedragger: sounds..energetically efficient? dat protein. also cholesterol? :) [17:39]
mircea_popescu: im sure. [17:39]
mircea_popescu: but i'm cutting it with cognac now, so should be ok. [17:40]
mircea_popescu: if not, there's always paint thinner. [17:40]
mod6: lol [17:45]
mod6: asciilifeform: still running on rgb_lagged_sum test #19 [17:45]
shinohai: preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet [17:48]
deedbot: << Qntra - Brit Faces Extradition For Trading On US Markets [17:49]
deedbot: << Trilema - MP's Definitive Dark / Deep / Etc Web FAQ [17:50]
mircea_popescu: in other revolutionary ideas the world's not ready for : [17:53]
shinohai: O.o [17:55]
shinohai: how many bitcoin would it take to get danielpbarron to send the night in one [17:55]
mircea_popescu: why him specifically ? [17:55]
shinohai: he has faith power :D [17:56]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:56]
shinohai: it's like snake handling, but with bees! [17:56]
mircea_popescu: lol [17:56]
* shinohai buys adspace on this page for epi-pens, profits [17:57]
mod6: lol, "this isn't fucking tanning." [18:06]
mircea_popescu: :p [18:10]
pete_dushenski: o hey former alberta premier from two terms ago can 'has accident' in style of total ceo. a memorable departure for an otherwise forgettable figure. [18:12]
pete_dushenski: king of siam also took a final bow today [18:14]
mod6: asciilifeform: [18:17]
asciilifeform: ty mod6 [18:17]
mod6: check out the last line of the test. "command not found: ent", however, i copied the command exactly from your original: [18:17]
mod6: (20:06) <+asciilifeform> and incidentally, this goes for everybody, i'm collecting dd if=/dev/random of=shitball.bin bs=1 count=8388608 && dieharder -a -g 201 -f shitball.bin && ent shitball.bin outputs from anyone who can be bothered [18:18]
asciilifeform: mod6: you might not have the proggy [18:18]
asciilifeform: get it via macports or build from src [18:18]
mod6: yah, i just noticed -- and installed it via brew [18:18]
mod6: i'll re-run the thing. [18:18]
mod6: give it another hour figure, sorry :/ [18:19]
shinohai: !~date [18:19]
jhvh1: 12th of Tishrei, 5777 [18:19]
mod6: the future sucks. [18:19]
pete_dushenski: lol! [18:19]
pete_dushenski: shinohai: well played [18:19]
shinohai: ^.^ [18:19]
pete_dushenski: what's old is new [18:19]
ben_vulpes: doesn't count from bitcoinday? [18:20]
ben_vulpes: scam [18:20]
shinohai: <<< step 1, tell ur enemy "we r gonna hack u" [18:47]
pete_dushenski: sounds like verbal abuse to me [18:47]
BingoBoingo: OMG shinohai I was writing the qntra!!! [18:53]
shinohai: sorry >.> [18:53]
deedbot: << Qntra - "Covert" CIA Plan Makes Evening News [19:05]
pete_dushenski: bbl. to dinner and dieharder fiddling. [19:08]
mod6: ok here we go [19:18]
mod6: [19:19]
mod6: asciilifeform: ^ [19:19]
asciilifeform: ty mod6 [21:28]
mircea_popescu: oo we have alt calendar ? [22:36]
mircea_popescu: !~date [22:36]
jhvh1: 12th of Tishrei, 5777 [22:36]
mircea_popescu: win. [22:36]
asciilifeform: talmudic system [22:37]
asciilifeform: tishrei - 1st mo. [22:37]
mircea_popescu: ah right you are. i was for some reason thinking of the byzantine style [22:39]
mircea_popescu: but that's more like 7.7k [22:39]
shinohai: do we need a byzantine calender? [22:40]
mircea_popescu: well... not exactly need. but apparently we have fun subverting the socialist superstate notions of political time. [22:41]
shinohai: its a tome free for all! stamp in the babel of choice [22:41]
shinohai: !!u th3nolo [22:41]
shinohai: !!up th3nolo [22:42]
deedbot: th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes. [22:42]
th3nolo: hehe recover access to my account [22:42]
mircea_popescu: fun fact : 1492 (expulsion of jews from spain and discovery of america) was year 7000 drove a buncha people wild. [22:45]
mircea_popescu: shinohai did you get an ygood stuff from those slamms then ? [22:46]
mircea_popescu: smalls lol [22:46]
shinohai: grass [22:46]
shinohai: stones such as being purveyed by hanbot [22:47]
shinohai: nests [22:47]
th3nolo: few years later.. they come to Venezuela.. name because they think Venezuela looks like Venecia but small venecia [22:47]
shinohai: other items to numerous to list [22:47]
th3nolo: hehe [22:47]
shinohai: El Relámpago del Catatumbo lo mando! [22:48]
danielpbarron: << enough to cover whatever expenses it takes to get one to me i don't mind bees. [22:54]
a111: Logged on 2016-10-14 21:55 shinohai: how many bitcoin would it take to get danielpbarron to send the night in one [22:54]
shinohai: mpex. powered by bees (tm) [22:55]
th3nolo: shinohai el Relampago del Catatumbo is one of the best thing of this country! [22:56]
shinohai: Relampago por presidente [22:57]
th3nolo: JAJAJ [22:58]
th3nolo: rt+ [22:58]
danielpbarron: in other pay a christian to sleep with dangerous things news, [23:03]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's prolly be more practical to go to them bees don't move so well. [23:03]
mircea_popescu: lol they even got a tall young chick to go towel-naked in their thing ? someone's seriously dedicated to these stilted coffins. [23:04]
shinohai: so your god has power to protect hot girls from bees [23:05]
shinohai: impressive [23:05]
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, a micropenis is a micropenis, whether flying or just buzzed. [23:05]
mircea_popescu: in other early christian obscura : the 6th bishop of antioch (teofil, dead by 200) wrote a book "To Autolickus". [23:07]
shinohai: !~google "To Autolickus" [23:07]
jhvh1: shinohai: CHURCH FATHERS: To Autolycus , Book I (Theophilus of Antioch): <> CHURCH FATHERS: To Autolycus , Book II (Theophilus of Antioch): <> CHURCH FATHERS: To Autolycus (Theophilus of Antioch): <> [23:07]
mircea_popescu: ehehehe [23:07]
mircea_popescu: overheard in my room : "ehm... that must've been a happy man..." [23:08]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes, phf, asciilifeform etc : casting call for man who can host and sign xcode 4.2 plzthx [23:13]
mircea_popescu: ugh what ? [23:14]
mats: i have five boxes of varying models i can test, but will need to wait til sunday evening [23:19]
pete_dushenski: mats: all good. looks like the apple 'developer' page hosts all the old ones after all. surprising but true. [23:20]
thestringpuller: Didn't realize how easy it is to connect to IRC via sockets. Far simpler than HTTP by a long shot... [23:20]
thestringpuller: God I hate you HTTP, but not as much as SOAP [23:20]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's a mac thing needed to run alf's dieharder tests. [23:21]
jhvh1: you have no idea @ thestringpuller [23:22]
mircea_popescu: it's an ide irrc. [23:22]
pete_dushenski: seems like brew requires xcode, which is required by git, which is required by dieharder [23:24]
thestringpuller: you can get build essentials on mac without xcode [23:24]
thestringpuller: altho xcode is "easiest" way to get "gcc" [23:24]
thestringpuller: but if you get build essentials without xcode you can compile git [23:25]
pete_dushenski: aha [23:26]
BingoBoingo: !~google degrowth [23:31]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Degrowth - Wikipedia: <> Degrowth - Wikipedia: <> Life in a ' degrowth ' economy, and why you might actually enjoy it: <> [23:31]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol at usg online redo of tikrit offensive. lemme guess, they got a bunch of merceniaries [23:49]
BingoBoingo: Who knows anymoar [23:51]
mats: on the subject of iraq, seems the attack on mosul is imminent [23:51]
BingoBoingo: Maybe they got balloons? [23:51]
mats: nao taking bets for how many hours it'll take for iraqi forces to abandon arms and flee [23:52]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't archive xcodes [23:53]
ben_vulpes: in the sense of not deleting old ones [23:54]
pete_dushenski: turns out there was no need anyways. aapl mysteriously hosts them. quite despite expectations to the contrary. [23:55]
ben_vulpes: macs belong to apple, customer just gets to depreciate them while running xcode or chrome [23:55]
mircea_popescu: mats 8 to 12. [23:55]
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: yeah, surprising [23:56]
ben_vulpes: "gotta catch 'em all" [23:56]
mircea_popescu: (guess based on the observation that much as was the case in medieval warfare (among people disinclined to fight, such as italians), the arabs arrived at a courtier's agreement as to what constitutes "sufficient honorable defense".) [23:56]
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