Forum logs for 14 Jan 2019
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wl72x/?raw=true | [08:16] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: this is a mega-point | [08:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | yw. | [08:46] |
| asciilifeform: | aand i'ma apply the supplied algo. | [08:50] |
| shinohai: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-13-jan-2019#2509979 <<< Thanx, also will report to diana_coman if configuring out bullet has any negative consequences, so far everything renders correctly as far as I can tell. | [09:03] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-13 20:50 mircea_popescu: nice going shinohai | [09:03] |
| shinohai: | Perforemed bare hand exploration, also works. | [09:03] |
| diana_coman: | shinohai, an Ada lib for client-side logging would be quite useful | [09:27] |
| diana_coman: | bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff | [09:28] |
| diana_coman: | at the very least, dubious messages if/when it gets them | [09:28] |
| shinohai: | I look forward to client updates, also found http://ossasepia.com/2019/01/12/compiling-ada-library-for-use-with-non-ada-main/ quite interesting btw. | [09:31] |
| diana_coman: | thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing | [09:35] |
| shinohai: | While I'm here, did you guise remove http://minigame.bz/jurov/Eulora-client.git permanently? (Perhaps jurov has copy still hidden away somewhere, I was interested for archival purposes) | [09:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | should be in http://minigame.biz/jurov/Eulora-client.git i don't expect anyone deleted it | [09:38] |
| shinohai: | I tried cloning, simply times out ( was going to add additional post on subject ) | [09:40] |
| diana_coman: | wasn't that with old versions/unmaintained ? | [09:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ? | [09:43] |
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really | [09:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i mean no part of the site responds ? | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | oh, is this uy1 being down ? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | ? it responds here? | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | or uhm, no | [09:44] |
| diana_coman: | yes, it is uy1 being down | [09:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | heh. | [09:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | mircea_popescu: .247 is uy1 | [09:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform BingoBoingo yo, you can't have multi hour outages, wtf. | [09:45] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack? | [09:45] |
| shinohai: | ( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain) | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | shinohai multiple layers. it went from .bz to .biz sometime 2017 maybe ? | [09:46] |
| mircea_popescu: | jurov used to maintain a git repo (2016 maybe ?) but we're not that git-friendly anyway and he kinda stopped working on it. | [09:46] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: yes hands asap plox | [09:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up | [09:47] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Aite | [09:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu et al : not a planned outage, at this point i strongly suspect iron issue | [09:50] |
| diana_coman: | basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore and yes, last parts in there were ~2016 | [09:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | that's nice and all, but meanwhile here i sit talking to people about absent sites yes. | [09:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump. | [10:00] |
| mircea_popescu: | bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc | [10:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, pretty much ended as a going concern. | [10:01] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen | [10:02] |
| asciilifeform: | update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf | [10:13] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: In the rack | [10:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | Please deliver instructions in #pizarro as I don't know how much log troubleshooting is going to generate | [10:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ok 1s | [10:15] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, if you feed it kbd it will turn auto-timer off. | [10:15] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: hrm, i switch this off in my installs, but this box is a BingoBoingo creation. | [10:16] |
| asciilifeform: | anyways booted nao, about to instrument. | [10:16] |
| asciilifeform: | update : box is up loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated. | [10:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | you can do that ?! | [10:26] |
| BingoBoingo: | I forgot to plug the ethernet back in | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform: | haste makes waste, lol | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | ic | [10:29] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing. | [10:32] |
| asciilifeform: | ( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour ) | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | desktop use. | [10:33] |
| asciilifeform: | yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol | [10:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | making linux accessible to senior citizen drivers, whadda ya want | [10:34] |
| mod6: | mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs. | [10:42] |
| BingoBoingo: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows | [10:42] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-14 15:34 asciilifeform: yea cuz it's a-ok to have desktop spin 4evah on boot... lol | [10:42] |
| mircea_popescu: | mod6 yeah but the disk is fine. | [10:43] |
| mod6: | My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless. | [10:43] |
| mod6: | And by 'eventually', I mean hours usually. | [10:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | this had ~two weeks. | [10:43] |
| mod6: | Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird. | [10:44] |
| mircea_popescu: | and bad ssd is unlikely to hit ~specifically one~ of multiple instances, as well as it's unlikely to occur while drive has free spare sectors to map to, and besides it'd be a first. drive's fine what. | [10:44] |
| mod6: | Alright, noted. | [10:45] |
| asciilifeform: | update : uy1 is up, i have realtime log going from it. | [11:35] |
| asciilifeform: | inspection of logs on disk turned up nuffin enlightening. | [11:35] |
| diana_coman: | funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz it was just the uy1 down thing | [11:45] |
| asciilifeform: | update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages. | [11:46] |
| diana_coman: | just not the git | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma have to rebuild kernel on UY1 today. | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | will announce the reboot hour in advance. | [11:46] |
| asciilifeform: | anyone have objection ? | [11:46] |
| diana_coman: | fine with me | [11:47] |
| asciilifeform: | after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place. | [11:48] |
| mod6: | asciilifeform: good with me. | [11:48] |
| asciilifeform: | ty mod6 diana_coman | [11:50] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo et al : also i am getting multi-second ping latencies to pizarro (all boxen) | [11:54] |
| asciilifeform: | the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it | [11:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: I am seeing much faster pings | [11:55] |
| mod6: | pings to 161.0.121.247 from me are: round-trip min/avg/max/std-dev = 194.551/195.055/198.219/0.723 ms - 0 packets lost. | [11:56] |
| asciilifeform: | mod6: 0.7s is pretty martian | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | and quite atypical. | [11:57] |
| asciilifeform: | well, moar moon than mars. but still. | [11:58] |
| asciilifeform: | i am seeing multi-second ssh keystroke delays. | [11:58] |
| mod6: | I don't doubt. That seems off for sure. | [11:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | I'm seeing sub 20ms pings to every box I've tried so far except UY1. UY1 is returned sub 40 ms pings | [11:59] |
| BingoBoingo: | From habitation module, not the rack | [11:59] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages. | [12:03] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice. | [12:04] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: ty, will keep the hoses in until you give the withdrawal order. | [12:09] |
| asciilifeform: | ty | [12:12] |
| asciilifeform: | ACHTUNG UY1 users : plz prepare for scheduled reset in 30m. | [12:23] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally i was not aware that UY1 uses grub (grub2 no less). grub is fatwa'd on pizarro-owned iron. i'ma correct this omission in a scheduled maintenance after we cure the moar pressing issue in re uy1. | [12:32] |
| asciilifeform: | attn: rebooting UY1. | [12:55] |
| mod6: | ty for the notice | [12:56] |
| asciilifeform: | update : sensor reader proggy nao installed on UY1, will set to snapshot erry 30s. | [12:59] |
| * BingoBoingo | can see UY1 hosted sites | [13:01] |
| asciilifeform: | so far all sensor readings within range | [13:06] |
| asciilifeform: | and no peculiarities in log | [13:06] |
| asciilifeform: | all fans moving. | [13:07] |
| asciilifeform: | cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt) | [13:08] |
| feedbot: | http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro ISP Update January 14, 2019 | [13:08] |
| asciilifeform: | achtung pizarro subscribers : if 1 of you is running saturation test on the pipe, plz nao & in future ~announce prior~, ty. | [13:23] |
| mircea_popescu: | very unlikely anyone's doing such a thing. you're prolly being attacked or w/e. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: it is entirely possible, i have not yet looked in detail. | [13:24] |
| asciilifeform: | just nao wrapped up setting up realtime voltages/temperatures/etc output. | [13:24] |
| asciilifeform: | the req still stands tho. | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: if ddos, then nao as good time as any, it hasn't afaik yet been tested, how said pipe behaves under ddos. | [13:26] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [13:26] |
| asciilifeform: | so far i've uncovered 0 that would reveal why box reset. but i expect before nightfall to find out, if iron is indeed misbehaving. | [13:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | what's the book on that ? | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | hm? | [13:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'd like to lay a bet :D | [13:28] |
| asciilifeform: | i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but i'm all outta sheep for the haruspexy room, so cannot give odds lol | [13:29] |
| asciilifeform: | now, elsewhere in conveyor : | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886533 << this is not only troo but is how one tests a m-r ( you feed it known liars & known troofers for a particular N and verify output ) | [13:32] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number. | [13:32] |
| asciilifeform: | which is why mine reads witness as param rather than directly from rng | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | at all times operator must be able to verify that m-r behaves as m-r. | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | and indeed the quality of rng is 'jesus bolt' when running m-r in battlefield. | [13:33] |
| asciilifeform: | ( recall, diana_coman uncovered various lulz re koch's variant ) | [13:34] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma detail this subj in the customary pedantic detail in ch16 article. | [13:35] |
| asciilifeform: | ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit ) | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | perfect. | [13:38] |
| asciilifeform: | re verifications, observe the general pattern in ffaism: i expect any serious user to have a private battery of tests to verify that his, particular, ffa builds, actually conform to the declared behaviours. | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | incl. the rng ( this is why the thing takes an arbitrary unix path for rng dev ) | [13:39] |
| asciilifeform: | ( yet aaanother thing that koch didn't give ) | [13:40] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: observe that you can trivially generate an arbitrary-long sequence of liars for any composite N. | [13:40] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. ) | [13:42] |
| asciilifeform: | we will not be making use of this approach tho ( it relies on conjecture . ) | [13:43] |
| asciilifeform: | iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) . | [13:44] |
| asciilifeform: | but again , not directly pertinent to ffalogy. | [13:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | it is, we had an entire discussion then | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | i meant bach et al. | [13:46] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform's recommended recipe for m-rism still remains 'feed actual rng for witnesses' | [13:47] |
| asciilifeform: | ( for folx who haven't yet read diana_coman's series -- the theorem diana_coman turned up, turns m-r into a deterministic ('aks but fast') test, iff generalized-riemann ) | [13:54] |
| asciilifeform: | found the old mircea_popescu thread, btw : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-08#1722906 | [14:18] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-08 19:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220161766_Constructing_Carmichael_Numbers_which_are_Strong_Pseudoprimes_to_Several_Bases (guy named arnault gave example of number for which all tests up to ~300 were misleading) | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai Mocky | [14:21] |
| Mocky: | hiya | [14:22] |
| asciilifeform: | what's new, Mocky ? | [14:24] |
| Mocky: | fingers crossed maybe I get a job offer today | [14:25] |
| mod6: | best of luck to ya! | [14:29] |
| Mocky: | thx mod6 | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | update re uy1 : 2hrs and no anomalous readings. ( will revisit subj later tonight ) | [14:56] |
| asciilifeform: | in other vintage lultidbits, found while digging logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723504 | [15:02] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-10-09 16:39 asciilifeform: ... it follows that a 0.85sec 4096b modexp is all you need for a reasonable 'rsa phone' item. | [15:02] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2019/01/dna-pioneer-james-watson-stripped-of-chancellor-emeritus-title-over-afropessimism/ << Qntra -- DNA Pioneer James Watson Stripped Of Chancellor Emeritus Title Over Afropessimism | [16:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | Latest old man dekulakized | [16:20] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: ha, i had nfi he still had any epaulettes or buttons to rip off | [17:00] |
| BingoBoingo: | Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything | [17:01] |
| mircea_popescu: | "afropessimism" actually great coinage. | [17:04] |
| asciilifeform: | aka afrorealism.. | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | never anything else. | [17:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese. | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | there also butthurt | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s qntra harvard | [17:07] |
| a111: | 3 results for "qntra harvard", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=qntra%20harvard | [17:07] |
| asciilifeform: | http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-18#1826418 << item | [17:08] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-06-18 15:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/harvard-exposed-systemically-discriminating-against-asian-applicants/ << Qntra - Harvard Exposed Systemically Discriminating Against Asian Applicants | [17:08] |
| asciilifeform: | & elsewhere. | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm. | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise. | [17:08] |
| Mocky: | they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply | [17:08] |
| mircea_popescu: | but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ? | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu: | something dun wash. | [17:10] |
| Mocky: | if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts? | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu: | so somehow "you can't run for city council, you're not 2nd gen azn immigrant" not quite as threatening as "you're fat because you eat too much and never get off ass" ? | [17:11] |
| asciilifeform: | the chowdhrys are, as i currently understand, the vaisya/sudra-heavy wave of emigres & their nth gen, largely content with 'middling' ranks, the native usg.brahmin spawn dun want these | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu: | so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | same way they dun want into the academitardia racket ( when asciilifeform grunted in the ranks of said racket, was often the 1 euro face in the group pics.. ) | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, at this juncture i'm starting to suspect attemtping rational analysis is eminently wrong approach, not like it's a rational process. | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | i was aboutta say | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | it aint clear to me that 'they think' is a valid hypothesis, period | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform: | they , in words of al schwartz, 'hind gut ferment'. they metabolize, but no thinking is necessarily involved | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | set of fashionable howls. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu: | cuz they're a buncha fash dorks, what. | [17:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it. | [17:31] |
| BingoBoingo: | Then there's the trying to expensively defend cheap respect for "all" | [17:40] |
| BingoBoingo: | In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries | [18:22] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: confirmed, worx, a++ | [18:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | ty for the confirmation | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true ) | [18:44] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ spoiler: gmp uses prng for witness gen | [18:45] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: after ffa is fielded, i'ma add gmp etc carmichaelisms to phuctor. | [18:47] |
| asciilifeform: | would be surprised if it doesn't yield a couple thou lulz. | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | not a bad idea. | [18:47] |
| asciilifeform: | there's a 1024bit example in that piece, and coupla others | [18:48] |
| asciilifeform: | in other noose, 6hrs of reactor^H^H^Huy1 gauge , and 0 anomalies | [18:49] |
| * asciilifeform | at this rate might end up adding a 7th lcd to the wall.. | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform do you keep a kernel hash or anything that'd expose a case of http://qntra.net/2019/01/el-chapo-allegedly-used-voip-had-sysadmin-flipped-by-criminal-fbi/ ? | [18:52] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: indeed i do | [18:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i can't picture that any literate folx don't | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | and it's negative ? | [18:53] |
| asciilifeform: | to date. | [18:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | so canary yes, k10temp no ? | [18:53] |
| asciilifeform: | i like to hash e.g. raid card biosen, etc., also | [18:53] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | (in span of 2 day) | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo reports intact seals. | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform: | even if i turn up nuffin in next day or 2, i'ma have at least 1 moar planned reset, see whether ben_vulpes remembered to enable eccism when he plugged the thing in | [18:58] |
| asciilifeform: | for some reason it is usually switched off by default on a new bios battery | [18:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ( why , i cannot begin to fathom ) | [18:58] |
| asciilifeform: | for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform: | all machines of same type (varying only in ram/disk config) | [19:00] |
| asciilifeform: | relatedly, asciilifeform has a backburner affair where disasm of the particular 3ware bios , looking for lulz (to date found none, aside from it having a quite bulky cpp runtime lib) | [19:02] |
| asciilifeform: | so far the old proverb 'на ловца и зверь бежит' dun seem to play out for asciilifeform , somehow hitler dun feel like putting the delish booby catalogue items where asciilifeform's dirty orc hands can get to'em.. | [19:05] |
| BingoBoingo: | <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. << It breathes ever so slightly better than it did before the opening and fan check | [19:06] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: y'know , these things ~do~ like a ~yearly breath of high pressure freon | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | i dunno, man. if i ran a moron empire with delusions of "pen devices" etc, it'd do precisely the sort of inept rebooting. | [19:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ( in torture room, asciilifeform has an antistatic vacuum thing and other nice things ) | [19:06] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i dun see wai not to bug upstream, but then again i dun work at reichskanzlei | [19:07] |
| mircea_popescu: | "it's not a truck" or similar reasoning. | [19:08] |
| asciilifeform: | i've mostly sworn off trying to picture the 'reasoning' | [19:08] |
| asciilifeform: | there's ~0 reason to it. | [19:08] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons. | [19:09] |
| asciilifeform: | oughta trivially capture 'magic packet' (under the old hypothesis that these result in fandango) | [19:10] |
| asciilifeform: | i'ma take the chance to highlight the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886752 thing -- on sane iron , there'd be no such thing as a 'oops rebooted but fuck if i tellya why' | [19:12] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-14 04:15 mircea_popescu: i'd like a computer where i didn't have this sort of problem. | [19:12] |
| asciilifeform: | there's no physical or practical reason why the last million or two instructions executed prior to whatever fail, should not be available after | [19:13] |
| asciilifeform: | ( on top of ram contents, etc ) | [19:13] |
| asciilifeform: | 1 of the 9000 sane things bolix tried, valiantly , to do, within the limitations of the period irons. | [19:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ( had 'fep', a supervisor cpu thing, but not the 'remote booby' item presently extant in intel irons, but a thing available strictly from console, and 'crash' halted the main cpu and dropped you into it, where you could peek/poke, probe irons, etc ) | [19:16] |
| asciilifeform: | fep ran from rom and could not be crashed other than by hand (or when iron is finally smoking, smouldering) | [19:16] |
| asciilifeform: | asciilifeform finds it fascinating that even satellites, moon buggies, etc. naodays dun have a 'snapshot state of iron if crash' | [19:21] |
| asciilifeform: | evidently it cannot be bought with moneys anymoar | [19:21] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently this is what you get if there aint a 'lavrentiy pavlovich' in the design loop. | [19:23] |
| asciilifeform: | imho if satellite 'oops it crashed and i cant tellya why', designer oughta get a 1way ticket to its orbit to go and debug.. | [19:25] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress' | [19:30] |
| shinohai: | "Buy our vaporware today!" | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | 'that is not dead which can eternal lie..' or how did it go. | [19:31] |
| asciilifeform: | ohai shinohai | [19:31] |
| shinohai: | Heya asciilifeform | [19:31] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: nifty eulora piece. yer ahead of asciilifeform in that battlefield, i've yet to attempt building eulora | [19:32] |
| shinohai: | I still have nfi why the bullet barf, diana_coman says it has to do with proximity things. Hopefully I'll get some time in game to see if negative effects occur. | [19:33] |
| shinohai: | (Also have companion trb piece, but was waiting for mod6 's keccak regrind) | [19:34] |
| asciilifeform: | shinohai: neato. what didja do re trb ? | [19:34] |
| shinohai: | Haven't completed build yet since mod6 published, but have tried the old method which unsurprisingly went fantastic. | [19:36] |
| shinohai: | Cuntoo is simply a joy to use. | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | /mode #trilema +b *!*@173-26-3-1.client.mchsi.com | [22:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886698 << those poor people, and what they had to do for a logarithm. | [23:17] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-14 00:36 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I. | [23:17] |
| hanbot: | well, this is my 3rd iirc restart of znc in two days, slightly more interruption than the problem i started using znc on UY1 to fix posed. looks like no prognosis yet eh? | [23:17] |
| lobbesbot: | hanbot: Sent 1 day, 10 hours, and 22 minutes ago: <billymg> mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only \ No newline at end of file strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end) | [23:17] |
| asciilifeform: | hanbot: when was 'this' plox ? | [23:37] |
| asciilifeform: | box is still up | [23:37] |
| BingoBoingo: | hanbot: The investigation is ongoing. Other than the chassis interor being marginally cleaner than before asciilifeform instrumented the machine, answers remain elusive. Per http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/#selection-13.0-17.315 I am inclined to not charge any Pizarro shared hosting customers for the month of January though I am open to hearing other suggested remedies. | [23:38] |
| asciilifeform: | been up continuously since i set up sensors earlier today, and still alive, with 0 anomalous readings | [23:38] |
| asciilifeform: | hanbot: we dun know yet wtf reset the box ( and it happened no fewer than 3 times, in 2 day span ) | [23:40] |
| asciilifeform: | hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0 | [23:41] |
| asciilifeform: | hanbot & other subscribers to uy1 : plox to inform asciilifeform asap if you notice ~any~ unusual behaviour on this box ( not only reset , reset will be obvious from here ) | [23:43] |
| trinque: | conspicuous bit is various folks having moved their comms aboard uy1 | [23:43] |
| BingoBoingo: | During palm touch tests before cleaning fans the warmest part of the chasis was near the RAID card, by a margin that though small registered on my skin. Do we have a way to instrument the RAID card. | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: it's in the log | [23:44] |
| trinque: | but you know, pattern-seeking primate amidst randomness | [23:44] |
| trinque: | ftr I don't need a month's comp for a few hours of outage, though a few hours of outage does suck. | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | outages suck, period | [23:44] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s how many bugs tolerate | [23:45] |
| a111: | 5 results for "how many bugs tolerate", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs%20tolerate | [23:45] |
| asciilifeform: | my fiber has 5-10 minutes of outage in a year, and ~that~ palpably suxx | [23:45] |
| mircea_popescu: | the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. | [23:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | trinque: My though on the month is that the money being paid for shared hosting is very real to our customers, and we lack a firm hour count on how many customer uptime hours have been lost. | [23:46] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: this q can be asked re any box. | [23:46] |
| BingoBoingo: | <mircea_popescu> the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. << This very much concerns me | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform well no, original box had a chain of custody, and a history of predictable behaviour. | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: fwiw crashism is more typical result of failed diddling than working. | [23:47] |
| trinque: | BingoBoingo: signaling my willingness to pay, not my condoning of the outage. | [23:47] |
| mircea_popescu: | this stance is consistent with, inter alia, republican practice -- we moved variously boxes off providers who kept rebooting them "mysteriously" | [23:47] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i can't disagree, and am inclined to move it to cold spare when we get another crate in. | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu: | and the coincidence is there, and glaringly. we know for a fapt inept http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ efforts ~signature move~ is rebootage, much like olde smersh signature move was the clicking on phone line and as he points out, buncha people moved their zncs there. | [23:49] |
| asciilifeform: | the sad part tho is that if asciilifeform threw out erry retardix box that ever kernel panicked, would have none left in service | [23:49] |
| mircea_popescu: | is this a fact, eg the rockchips ? | [23:50] |
| asciilifeform: | i haven't succeeded in crashing a rockchip yet ( outside from the rotting usb ssd's affair ) | [23:50] |
| mircea_popescu: | so then as a factual matter, if asciilifeform threw out erry box that rebooted "by itself" for no apparent reason, pizarro would be missing uy1 | [23:51] |
| asciilifeform: | but indeed i'd much like to move to a 'near-errybody on rockchips' , ~these~ can approximate the ideal of 'treat irons as toilet paper, discard on 1st sign of rot' | [23:51] |
| asciilifeform: | this is a case where '1024 chickens' wins | [23:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | i confess i have nfi what makes you think commodity hardware failed in this case. | [23:51] |
| asciilifeform: | i dun currently have any notion of knowing what, precisely , failed | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | outside of hard drives, and capacitors on OVER FIFTEEN YEAR OLD motherbopards, i have not witnessed this wonder myself, of failing hardware. | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform: | i have | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu: | kudos to you, but nevertheless. | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ram, typically | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ( why -- i do not know. but ram appears to age, possibly ion migration ) | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | but the ram in that box is as new as a kitten. | [23:53] |
| asciilifeform: | nope | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | hm ? | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | the only new iron in the cage is the rk's. | [23:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | The solid state drives in UY1 were new | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i'm confused, you bought used ram ? i seem to recall a discussion... | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | and disks yes | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 100% of the x86 iron in the cage is 2009-11 vintage. | [23:54] |
| BingoBoingo: | From what I understand the ram came with the chassis | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | weren't you shipping a bunch of new rams to make it ?! | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | ( can't speak for colo subscribers such as trinque , referring to pizarro irons ) | [23:54] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: disks | [23:54] |
| mircea_popescu: | i guess i must've mixed things. | [23:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ssds are new, no one buys used ssd, it'd be like buying used toiletpaper | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | but i mean... so you have ten year old gb ram ? | [23:55] |
| asciilifeform: | and 10yo caps etc | [23:55] |
| mircea_popescu: | i never saw a mobo bust a cap and then boot by itself again tho. besides, he'd see a busted cap i imagine. | [23:56] |
| BingoBoingo: | I saw no burst caps | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << typical example of when caps. | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform: | they aint always visibly burst, but i'm inclined to think this wasn't the caps. | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or it wouldn't come back up. ) | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | so to get this straight, your "most likely explanation" points to... ram failure resulting in kernel panic... twice ? | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | (i think the third reboot was actually you guise, or not ?) | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: jury's still out | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: 3 unsanctioned, 1 planned reset | [23:57] |
| mircea_popescu: | always gotta have a mle, jury can't be out | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform: | imho mle is still thermals. | [23:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | ie, a fan stoppedf by itself, and then started working again, by itself ? | [23:58] |
| mircea_popescu: | THRICE ? | [23:58] |
| asciilifeform: | not necessarily stopped, but obstructed | [23:59] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: keep in mind this was a ben_vulpes-baked box, i never saw inside of it ( dulap-III, dulap-spare, s-mg, s-mg-spare -- i cleaned with own hands ) | [23:59] |
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