Forum logs for 11 Nov 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
BingoBoingo: Could be cocaine and pork sausage bender? [00:01]
mircea_popescu: nah, moar like failure of orange revolution ("teh people matter, and here's a buncha dorky chicks fresh from usg "criminology" studies going topless hurr durr) had dept of blue usg move to white revolution ("teh people dun matter, here's kings-youngest-son being totally the true lost tsarevich!!!"). in this case the local pretext for legitimacy is that 32yo princelet. [00:03]
mircea_popescu: sooner or later the dorks will understand that until/unless burned down us "embassy" / all ustards coming in detained and shot, there won't be peace. [00:04]
mircea_popescu: as it is, next in the queue is plaintive missive from mohammed bin salman about how "he was tricked" and "teh deliveries didnt live up to promises" in a few months/years/whatever. [00:05]
mircea_popescu: to keep to form he'll make a blogpost now about how "he was surprised by wealth", ers style [00:06]
mircea_popescu: amusing that this shit worked in saudi arabia where it failed so miserably in turkey. [00:07]
BingoBoingo: Well, the Saudis aren't the Turks. They have oil and their borders are protected by hot sand. Turks are surrounded and have the Mediterranian's back door in their face. [00:09]
mircea_popescu: more like, turkey actual country. saudi arabia, like venezuela, very much madmax item, "here's this oil rig surrounded by vagrants. need big lawnmower." [00:10]
mircea_popescu: incredible fucktards though, argued with the dude all summer long, had no missile-acre at the ready ? [00:11]
mircea_popescu: "bitch, you call me to a meeting i fail to return from, there's 10`000 rockets per square kilometer that take to flight. better hope they all miss, unless you're prepared to live in ruins-of-riyadh" [00:12]
BingoBoingo: My impression of Saudi Arabia is sandier, hotter Cali suburbs with more pinoys. [00:17]
mircea_popescu: nah. think -- women not allowed to drive. [00:17]
mircea_popescu: originator of the entire political system that took down teh wtc. [00:18]
BingoBoingo: Sounds more like Cali when you mention that [00:18]
mircea_popescu: and a fine example of nazi-socialism standing opposed to roossvelt-socialism. country essentially ruled by a fuhrer + the propaganda/gestapo construct (here, wahhabi clerics + "security" forces) [00:19]
BingoBoingo: Sure, both places had a history or something like it for however longly/briefly. Now just McMansions and neurosis everywhere. [00:21]
mircea_popescu: anyway. usual failure mode -- got "us trained" moles into the security half of the construct, because "more competent", which is universally false but then again disease works by the host failing to recognize the pathogens, then 30 years later wants to "futuristic cities" where "people can have fun" and obviously list aramco on nyse. [00:21]
mircea_popescu: anyway. the deeply inept handling of qatar recently (which was, at least nominally, his responsibility, even if botched 100% by ineptitude imported by ustards) and the goingnowhere in yemen promise to yield the end of the whole affair. [00:23]
mircea_popescu: conseuquently i dun think i'd buy saudi assets for less than 50% premium. [00:23]
BingoBoingo: Same as Cali. Everything was cool and patriarchy then evil USG mole Zorro fucked everything up by opening Chicano studies departments [00:23]
mircea_popescu: lol which zorro ? [00:24]
BingoBoingo: The Antonio Banderas one [00:24]
mircea_popescu: "it should help that prince mohammed, following the example of ibn saud, sees the importance of forging a special bond with the united states", sez teh official propaganda for anglotards. quite. lol. [00:25]
BingoBoingo: lol, "special relationship" is an awfully weird way of saying they blackmailed queen pantsuit during Arab sprang [00:26]
mircea_popescu: but no, there's no getting out of it : turkey-iran with a russian background much much stronger than usg.israel + usg.saudi-arabia. israel isn't coming apart just yet -- therefore the peninsula must. [00:27]
* BingoBoingo actually saw made in Israel merchandise. Items were... plastic boxes [00:32]
BingoBoingo: Sure they J'd up the plastic part to calling them "Innovative structural foam" but... Fucking plastic boxes [00:32]
mircea_popescu: kek. by the time epithets are part of the "name" you know the marysue fiction's well caked at the edges. [00:33]
mircea_popescu: seriously, chicklit heroine meets Cool Guy McFucksticks ? i wonder what the odds are of such a name naturally occuring... [00:33]
mircea_popescu: i suppose next time i am about to call something mp-whatever ima say gooduseful-whatever instead. [00:34]
BingoBoingo: Anyways items were branded with some store private label licensed from once manufacturing company, and prominently marked "Made in Israel" because that's where other brand got their plastic boxes from too. [00:36]
mircea_popescu: great winners in all of this, of course, zee chinese -- who get to see likely lightningstrike in land far far away rather than in sea as close to home as say... taiwan. [00:39]
BingoBoingo: Eh, the ZC's have their own problems to deal with [00:42]
mircea_popescu: yeah, like building a mile-wide train-and-road belt from beijing to vienna. [00:42]
BingoBoingo: Also the structural defects inflicted by the bastard pidgin [00:43]
mircea_popescu: fwis the strategic plan is "one week silk road : car or train, take your pick". IF they do manage to build it, which isn't a given even if not necessarily unlikely and IF they manage to market it so it reaches their traffic goals (this part, easier), all the "vision 2030" bs by everyone else, from crown prince of saudis to kirschner prince of us to etc fade in a very very distant bokeh. [00:46]
mircea_popescu: artificially intelligent google "can not calculate driving directions" as it stands now. [00:47]
mircea_popescu: but whether it will go through turkey or through ukraine (doh. turkey, evidently) is by far the more important consideration of today. [00:49]
mircea_popescu: (suddenly us "involvement" in afghanistan more geopolitically understandable, is it) [00:50]
mircea_popescu: but on the upside -- a 80 lane highway perfect place for ai driving. can have lanes sorted by speed at a 1kmph resolution. there's a marginal but present for "american technology companies" even in chinese owned future! [00:52]
mircea_popescu: in any case the only viable alternative to "well... let's just have another war, then" i've seen anyone propose. mile-wide highway still costs a billion or two per track mile, making the whole project large enough to give substance to something like us gdp. (that it will pointedly not be in any way related to us, secondary consideration. bitcoin isn't either, to its great benefit.) [00:56]
mircea_popescu: paradoxically, there's even an argument for freight. yes, it's true that shipping is cheapest per mile. the problem with postmodernity is that the needs are so fragmented and the costs of onboarding so significant, shipping could conceivably lose out. [00:58]
mircea_popescu: in this model, rather than have a) load it on ship in a week, from the single port, and then take n weeks to reach destination, and then unload and distribute by lorry, so yes you pay 0.01 per km on sea, which is 99% of the distance, but then 10 for the servicing, making your total cost 10`000 * 0.01 + 6 * 10 = 160 [00:59]
mircea_popescu: you might prefer to b) send it via train freight from exact origin to exact destination, at cost of 0.02, which is to say 8`000 * 0.02 = 160. [01:00]
mircea_popescu: whether the increased precision (no, you don't have to have your item lorried to port and then from port to dest) actually gives a 20% shorter distance, or 25 or 15% and whether the cost can be kept to 0.02 or even the foreseen 0.014 rather than 0.025 or 0.1 etc... [01:01]
mircea_popescu: well i guess time will tell. [01:01]
mircea_popescu: but the argument is undefeatable -- ship burns oil. train can burn electricity which can mean hydro, can mean nuclear, can mean things. things other than oil. in this sense, it's unavoidable. [01:01]
mircea_popescu: whether 2050s unavoidable or 2150s unavoidable though... [01:02]
BingoBoingo: This is the true challenge of prophetics [01:03]
mircea_popescu: rather. [01:03]
BingoBoingo: Then there's always going to be some incredibly time insensitive goods needing moving, which will preserve some form of shipping. Hence riverboats still traveling the Mississippi, but rarely with cargo that isn't bird attractant. [01:05]
mircea_popescu: it's funny how shipping counterintuitively loses to land routes. even among the romans, who were built AROUND a fucking sea, seaborne gross tonnage in any year was less than road gross tonnage in same year. [01:06]
mircea_popescu: yes road cost a whole lot more to maintain than the sea's 0. but this is a counter-argument here, we're overpowerful and desperately in need of useful work to do, ntowa. [01:07]
mircea_popescu: moreover, as pointed out before in various contexts, europe exists specifically because of road network. [01:08]
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Then again the "overpowerful" part drives river traffic construction. "why train extra 30 miles to Mississippi when build port on Kaskakia river" and other weirds [01:08]
mircea_popescu: exact problem discussed above! the issue with ports is that they, unlike train station, naturally concentrate. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: so you're stuck having to place them well. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: whereas trains... fuck... make 5. make 55. make one per mile. what diff can it possibly make. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: all euro industry was, at the time the "Common market" somewhat distant goal, served by rail spokes custom built. [01:09]
mircea_popescu: and with computerized control and much better robotics, you actually get car-level (about 50 tons) control! have the railcars switch in and out of high-speed bands! it's easy when you have 30 of them! [01:14]
mircea_popescu: piddly ass 1817s level tech of single-railtrack doesn't reallty expose the power of rail in all its glory. [01:14]
BingoBoingo: Well, packet switching is a thing. Whether the packets are bits or tons. [01:18]
mircea_popescu: quite. [01:20]
mircea_popescu: in this future worldview, us role is very much that in which turkey lingered throughout the 1800s. [01:20]
mircea_popescu: once-notable empire, meanwhile powerless, saddled with a bunch of nominal allies thatr don't like it and readily intervene militarily against it. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: the similarities are striking -- ottoman porte made it a point of not learning languages, much like us. [01:21]
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is one of those major "there are two kinds of people" things : those who speak languages, and those who don't. [01:21]
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Anyways another toxic legacy of the 80s-present action movie thing is villianizing the capable. [01:23]
BingoBoingo: In favor of Joe Average on steroids [01:23]
mircea_popescu: i guess so, at that. tv forced mistake, "gotta give the viewer steak" [01:26]
mircea_popescu: i mean stake. [01:26]
BingoBoingo: In further accounts of the empire in decline http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=9465 [01:26]
mircea_popescu: problem is... there's only one stake for the tv viewer, and it dun look pretty. [01:26]
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Anyways, transition from "hero spies at least speak French" to "Don't trust them Ruskies, they learn our language!!!" [01:27]
mircea_popescu: heh. [01:29]
mircea_popescu: but to revisit upstack : the item contemplated, 80 car lanes on each side of 30 traintrack lines would redefine a number of things. the new town then becomes... the switching station. every unit-of-distance the 30 tracks turn into a switch yard, 120 lines, 600 lines, whatever. in between these, the traintracs are fully reversible, meaning the trains run in arbitrary directiosn! around this yard is then built town, out of serv [01:31]
mircea_popescu: icing industry needed for switchyard maintenance, and human services for the involved humans and so on. around this town then go the thick roads. so the town of the future has a "west side" and an "east side" in the sense of... the part of town margined by east-bound or west-bound megahighway. [01:31]
mircea_popescu: by the time you end up with 500 or so 1mn strong towns dotting the mega-road, you've a whole new nation of a whole new kind. larger than current day us [01:32]
mircea_popescu: which is why and wherefore the whole "not much room in future for united states". there isn't. [01:32]
mircea_popescu: gives very palpable, estimable value to something asciilifeform already amply describes as having felt on own skin, which is... "land value" of wash dc real estate ? why, 0, it's a sea away from The Road. san francisco ? same. congo capital ? SAME. [01:34]
BingoBoingo: Short story of the transition is from George Lazenby as James Bond to Bruce Willis as accidenticop [01:35]
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Mega highway offers plenty of wonderous oppresatunities [01:37]
mircea_popescu: it has to. basically, it's mongol horde v2.0 (this is not well understood today, but the mongol horde was first and foremost -- its roadmaking. they had a sort of "red carpet roll" they went on). [01:40]
mircea_popescu: i don't expect a mongol horde to be put together without at least a little http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-05-apr-2017#2263639 [01:40]
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 18:42 mircea_popescu: merv, or generally the mongol reduction of persia from a coupla million to a coupla hundred thousand is the fundamental civilisational act. not the building of the scum, but the purging of it. much like "writing prb" is not an achievement in computer science but purging it into trb is. [01:40]
BingoBoingo: Not to mention, those truck stops will prolly be hella wild [01:42]
mircea_popescu: except not so many trucks, since rail readily available. [01:42]
mircea_popescu: more like little vans for local delivery [01:42]
mircea_popescu: 2-300km range. [01:42]
mircea_popescu: which is how this works. take say unit-of-distance, the yet undefined item of the future, to 100km. that means ~100 towns the whole length of this it also means a local delivery max range of 200km is ample : if you needed more than that you should have just sent teh goods one station further up/down. [01:43]
BingoBoingo: Well, plenty of pickup trucks. Just like suburbia there will be a subset of folks who purchase such to swear they've been off of mega road with it before. [01:45]
mircea_popescu: which means the "civilised world" reduces to europe, china coast, and a 2-3-4mn sqkm thin strip uniting them, with The Road in the middle and civilisation reaching out .a coupla hundred units perpedngicularily north and south. [01:45]
mircea_popescu: (state of california is 400k sqkm, for comparison. mass is 27k. [01:46]
mircea_popescu: the major winner ? why, persia, now called iran. teh age of sail adventure having been chewed up and spit out, the world is going back to itself. [01:47]
mircea_popescu: and consequently the future chances of any kind of islam that's not the deeply sensuous thing of the 1300s is zilch. saudis are headed the same place new york went. [01:48]
BingoBoingo: There's probably reasons for colonies to still be interesting in mega road world, but not the ones that though themselves empires [02:16]
mircea_popescu: same reason as always, well priced good quality cunt. [02:17]
BingoBoingo: Beaches and Bitches [02:17]
mircea_popescu: lol this chick is retarded. hopefully lafond bagged her dumb ass, wtf, "he didn't say this jokingly". rly bitch, was he really liek some military guy ? [02:30]
mircea_popescu: lord.y [02:30]
BingoBoingo: It's a strange world [02:54]
BingoBoingo: In still further equalitarian studies outta Harvard: "As with most proceedings at Harvard, the anal sex workshop placed great emphasis on equality. After the presenter noted that “not all men have penises, not all women have vaginas,” she argued that “the butthole is the great sexual equalizer. All humans have a butthole.”" [03:10]
BingoBoingo: Pairs with https://archive.is/6I8jI [03:22]
mircea_popescu: is this a purely discoursive "anal sex butthsop" ? [04:54]
mircea_popescu: there's few things less "equal" than say male anal sex receptacle and female anal sex receptacle. [04:55]
mircea_popescu: for the same money could say "car is the great equalizer, crossover and 1960s era euro cars same thing" [04:55]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736227 << this kind of picture is really from 'cyberpunk' alt-fyootoor where where is 1e10 people but they all somehow have money and need goodies delivered on rail [11:05]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 06:31 mircea_popescu: but to revisit upstack : the item contemplated, 80 car lanes on each side of 30 traintrack lines would redefine a number of things. the new town then becomes... the switching station. every unit-of-distance the 30 tracks turn into a switch yard, 120 lines, 600 lines, whatever. in between these, the traintracs are fully reversible, meaning the trains run in arbitrary directiosn! around this yard is then built town, out of serv [11:05]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736225 << these were doubly hilarious in bootleg ru voiceover, which is how asciilifeform watched'em [11:08]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 06:27 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Anyways, transition from "hero spies at least speak French" to "Don't trust them Ruskies, they learn our language!!!" [11:08]
asciilifeform: ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1703070 ) [11:09]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 17:25 asciilifeform: or, more famously, a character referring to 'general motors' ends up speaking of a Генерал Моторс [11:09]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736245 << not only persia, but more or less everyone who did not ride the mcshitburger train to hell, winning in direct proportion to how much they refrained from riding it. [11:11]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 06:47 mircea_popescu: the major winner ? why, persia, now called iran. teh age of sail adventure having been chewed up and spit out, the world is going back to itself. [11:11]
asciilifeform: from this pov -- e.g. pyongyang, is a winner [11:12]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736141 << the serious minus is that it needs a serious linear accelerator . i dun expect it will become competitive commercially with classical strip'an'sem method any time soon [11:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 04:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just what the bolix wanted huh [11:39]
asciilifeform: relatedly, chinese quote 0.88 cents per 1500x sem photo for 1x1cm die (which is estimate, i dun have an xray machine here) that works out to 1-2k usd for whole thing, depending on how many layers turn up [11:40]
asciilifeform: americans quote 5-6x price, unsurprisingly, for same job. [11:40]
asciilifeform: errrr 0.88 $ [11:40]
asciilifeform: somewhat counter-intuitively, this item is the ~easiest~ part of an ic archaeological dig the actual analysis , i expect, will take years [11:42]
asciilifeform: ( and will perhaps be a good entry for those hypothetical folx who ain't here yet, but ought to be . i have no intention of doing the whole thing myself, esp. not in near term, my hands are quite full ) [11:43]
asciilifeform: it does somewhat help that the i-machine emulator src was found the thing isn't a complete martian blackbox. [11:43]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736149 << don't forget 'expensive because early sunk costs'. the canonical example being the atrocious residential isps in usa , vs in third world ( where folx went straight to cheap wireless ) [11:48]
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 04:49 BingoBoingo: Well, except for places where X is expensive because not built (i.e. those tiger economies) [11:48]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in bizarre ro crackpotteries, http://www.securitate.org/nicu.htm [13:48]
* BingoBoingo wondering what the weird might be with block 494023 [13:48]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: more specifically ? [13:49]
BingoBoingo: Seems to be where a lot of TRB nodes are shown stalled. [13:50]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have a debug tail of this wedge ? [13:52]
* asciilifeform does not currently have even 1 up-to-top trb node ! [13:52]
asciilifeform: ( zoolag is at 446213 currently ) [13:52]
asciilifeform: ^ or anyone else, have ? [13:53]
asciilifeform: trinque ? [13:53]
* BingoBoingo trying to find [13:53]
asciilifeform: dump from where 494022 was eaten, until present. [13:54]
* BingoBoingo trying to find that point. May have been rotated over. [13:58]
asciilifeform: ugh [13:58]
asciilifeform: DON'T USE ROTATION omfg [13:58]
asciilifeform: if yer disk is too small to rotate debug.log by hand 1-2x/year, it is too small to run trb !! [13:58]
* BingoBoingo grabbing another debug.log [14:02]
BingoBoingo: Well, other node has unrotated debug.log but is further behind than 494022 [14:08]
BingoBoingo: And time fixed it http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/APVmZ/?raw=true [14:15]
asciilifeform: then snoar. [14:16]
mod6: good to be watchin tho. [14:16]
mod6: every now and then they get behind a few blocks. [14:16]
asciilifeform: ohai mod6 [14:20]
* mod6 waves [14:20]
asciilifeform: watcha upto mod6 [15:10]
mod6: nmu? [15:11]
asciilifeform: ? [15:11]
mod6: nothing much [15:12]
mod6: you? [15:14]
asciilifeform: finally polished off a saecular chore, ~4h of ida concluding in the typical 'change this-here je to jmp' [15:16]
mod6: some hygiene 'eh? [15:17]
asciilifeform: hygiene is not the word that comes to mind. well, ~inside~ the sewage wetsuit -- hygiene.. [15:18]
mod6: gotta start somewhere [15:19]
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olXUIcb80N0 << oblig. [15:22]
mod6: lmao [15:31]
* ben_vulpes extracted a apple extended keyboard ii from the parental domus this morning, only to find that a) the capslock key has a physical lock and b) apparently needs some nutty 'teensy' micro to turn the ancient proprietary 'apple device bus' serial format into usb and turning it into serial is apparently Just Not Done [16:40]
ben_vulpes: "desktop bus"* [16:41]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's an offtheshelf converter [16:44]
asciilifeform: as for capslock, there is a mod, you can remove the lock latch [16:44]
ben_vulpes: 'iMate'? [16:44]
ben_vulpes: yup, going to have some fun pulling the thing apart. [16:45]
asciilifeform: mine is unlabled, looks like flattened hockey puck [16:45]
asciilifeform: ( i have one of those kbd, in mint condition, and the conv box, but not currently using anywhere ) [16:46]
ben_vulpes: let me know if you recall with what to look up this ots part [16:46]
asciilifeform: i suppose it oughta be in the 'liquidation catalogue' thread [16:46]
asciilifeform: ots ? [16:47]
ben_vulpes: off the shelf [16:47]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like https://ru.aliexpress.com/store/product/USED-ITEM-Mini-ADB-USB-to-ADB-Adapter-2-Ports-for-IMac-and-G3/224546_32679510845.html [16:48]
asciilifeform: is what i got [16:48]
ben_vulpes: aok gotcha ty [16:48]
asciilifeform: oh hey there's apparently a junk bin recipe, http://blog.jomon-lab.com/arduino-projects/adb-to-usb-adapter-using-arduino-keyboard-function/wire-connection [16:49]
asciilifeform: prolly can port to whatever micro you have lying around [16:49]
asciilifeform: ( adb is a very low speed thing, easy to bitbang. somewhat like ps2 ) [16:50]
asciilifeform: https://github.com/osresearch/classicmac/blob/master/adb2usb/adb2usb.ino << 1 possible , for shituino [16:52]
asciilifeform: includes serial example [16:55]
asciilifeform: ( i gotta ask, whaddaya want with a ~serial~ kbd, ben_vulpes ? ) [16:56]
asciilifeform: or didja mean ps2. [16:56]
ben_vulpes: ps2, the depths of my golden era hardware ignorance knows no plumb [16:57]
asciilifeform: it'd be, incidentally, an ok fpga student project [16:59]
asciilifeform: if you have the lattice fpga demo pcb and feel like practice. [17:00]
asciilifeform: oh hey ben_vulpes do you have a parallel port ? [17:03]
asciilifeform: iirc there was a cheap&angry universal-bitbanged-ancient-keyboards lpt thing for linux kernel. [17:04]
ben_vulpes: hm [17:04]
asciilifeform: needs 3 wires. [17:04]
ben_vulpes: negative [17:05]
asciilifeform: aite. [17:05]
ben_vulpes: woulda been cool tho [17:05]
asciilifeform: ye olde lpt is still unsurpassed in 'need to move arbitrary bits on these here wires' problems. [17:06]
ben_vulpes: not complicated enough to survive in the brave new world. [17:07]
asciilifeform: other examples of why you want a lpt, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-12#1162225 [17:07]
a111: Logged on 2015-06-12 19:47 ascii_field: every time i have to burn (or even read) an eeprom i end up doing something retarded like this - http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/romsucker_working.png [17:07]
ben_vulpes: messy, but hey at least visually inspectable. [17:08]
asciilifeform: !#s romsucker [17:10]
a111: 3 results for "romsucker", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=romsucker [17:10]
asciilifeform: ^ schematic + source in there sumwhere. [17:10]
asciilifeform: if you're not only poor, reader, but in manchuria, can replace the 8255 with 74xx ttl, but i'll leave it as an exercise. [17:11]
asciilifeform: ( really you only need 1 latch, as for instance in my ancient http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html ) [17:13]
asciilifeform: in other bolix lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=186&cpage=1#comment-18287 [17:45]
asciilifeform: !#s whisperers [17:53]
a111: 16 results for "whisperers", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=whisperers [17:53]
asciilifeform: ^ see also. [17:53]
trinque: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-11-11#238237 << all good over here. deedbot.org lists its node's current block count, updated twice hourly [18:53]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [18:58]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6370.9, vol: 14976.25423386 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6302.7, vol: 72843.79787908 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6329.9, vol: 6932.19852237 | Volume-weighted last average: 6315.46947334 [18:58]
BingoBoingo: Prognostication found in the wild: http://www.lessonoflives.com/if-these-tweets-are-legit-the-dnc-is-on-its-last-leg/ [19:10]
BingoBoingo: Naturally this prognostication ignores the pansuit purging of their pretense at cultural capital with: "Firing up at the end of this month is a maybe. Firing up before the end of 2017 is looking incredibly Likely. [19:15]
BingoBoingo: "Star Trek" icon George Takei has been accused of sexual assault by a former model and actor stemming from an incident that allegedly occurred in 1981. Scott R. Brunton alleged that when he was 23 years old, Takei took advantage of him after the two had returned from a night out together. Brunton explained that he has been hesitant to come forward about the alleged incident for years, because he felt no one would believe him." [19:15]
BingoBoingo: Apparently now in addition to "allies" homosexual men have become problematic for pantsuit [19:17]
* trinque has only hearsay knowledge of the subj, but thought old fags going for young dudes was the rule. [19:31]
BingoBoingo: Kinda the point, pantsuit loses whole demographic [20:04]
ag3nt_zer0: ahoy [21:09]
ag3nt_zer0: i have a question I am a bit terrified to ask [21:10]
ag3nt_zer0: it feels like a no-brainer but ahhh... if I use pete_dushenski's high entropy wallet method, I only need the private key generated by the words right? I dont need to keep the words... seems obviously dumb when I write it but the redditards are throwing me off here [21:13]
ag3nt_zer0: hope i dont find out im the tard here [21:14]
ag3nt_zer0: i think the confusion for me stems from hearing two different descriptions of brain wallets - one described as a way to, if i recall correctly, convert a privkey to a string of words to then be memorized and carried in brain over international borders or what not... and the other encounter I have with this concept is pete's method of generating a high entropy keypair and I am pretty sure I am answering my own question here but wou [21:21]
ag3nt_zer0: ce [21:21]
ag3nt_zer0: to be clear i was re-reading pete's article and followed the reddit link to the guy who lost the 4BTC and it was this comment that got me all wound up: "The passphrase has to be random (and necessarily, difficult to memorize). There is no way around this, period. If the prospect of memorizing 12 random words is daunting to you (and it should be - if you forget it, your money is gone), then don't use a brain wallet." [21:26]
ag3nt_zer0: but it looks is this guy is speaking of not being able to access the privkey because said example forgot the words reveal that key, and neither did the person write down the privkey? [21:28]
ag3nt_zer0: *the words that reveal ^^^ [21:29]
asciilifeform: !#s brainwallet [21:44]
a111: 121 results for "brainwallet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brainwallet [21:44]
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: see ^ threads, in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1159417 [21:47]
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 17:13 ascii_field: incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto [21:47]
ag3nt_zer0: i have the keypair... is that enough? [21:47]
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform ^ [21:48]
asciilifeform: what means 'have' here ? [21:48]
ag3nt_zer0: i followed petes method except for the printing. i instead hand wrote the pub and priv... and i possess those [21:49]
ag3nt_zer0: i have those [21:49]
ag3nt_zer0: i through out the words though [21:49]
ag3nt_zer0: threw [21:49]
ag3nt_zer0: :/ [21:49]
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: are you familiar with mnemonism ? [21:50]
ag3nt_zer0: no [21:50]
asciilifeform: type of performance art , circus 'magic' [21:50]
ag3nt_zer0: ok yes [21:50]
ag3nt_zer0: memorizes lengthy things [21:51]
asciilifeform: reciting 1e6 digits of pi etc [21:51]
ag3nt_zer0: ok [21:51]
asciilifeform: ever try it ? [21:51]
ag3nt_zer0: yes [21:51]
ag3nt_zer0: i udsed petes method [21:51]
ag3nt_zer0: used [21:51]
asciilifeform: then you know what the words were for. [21:51]
ag3nt_zer0: with the dictionary and the dice and 13 words and all that [21:51]
asciilifeform: so what's the q then [21:52]
ag3nt_zer0: hmmm [21:52]
ag3nt_zer0: i assumed until today that words were utilized to create a keypair [21:52]
ag3nt_zer0: so once i had the keypair i assumed the words unecessary [21:52]
ag3nt_zer0: but they are called a "passphrase" here and there [21:52]
ag3nt_zer0: so im not sure [21:53]
asciilifeform: they're a ( not imho particularly great, but we digress ) mnemonic device, is all. [21:53]
ag3nt_zer0: so asciilifeform, if I have stored safely the private key, do i need the words to unlock that or something? or was it ok to discard the words? [21:55]
asciilifeform: think, if you have the key per se, you can always convert it to the 'words' form again later. [21:56]
asciilifeform: just as you can write number 10 as 0xa in base 16 etc [21:56]
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: btw when you discuss an article, it is good form to link to it [21:58]
asciilifeform: folx should not have to dig to find it [21:58]
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes understood... and thanks for your time here! [22:00]
asciilifeform: np [22:00]
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