Forum logs for 11 Jun 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
feedbot: << Qntra -- UK Wankers Imagineer Power To Force "Customer Due Diligence" Into Bitcoin Client Software [14:27]
mircea_popescu: i betcha the retards wil lactually do it. [15:05]
BingoBoingo: Well, they have quite the gerontocracy [15:16]
asciilifeform: anyone still recall the 1990s-era 'reich pgp' where castrated key bitness ? [15:16]
mircea_popescu: yup [15:21]
mircea_popescu: by "the retards" i meant whatever's currently left holding the power ranger flag [15:21]
mircea_popescu: there should be a short story about this, 1988 soviets don't spontaneously combust, but instead invade. find a mexican dude in all of new york [15:22]
mircea_popescu: "are you the americans ?" "BY JOE I IS!" [15:22]
BingoBoingo: Apparently they added another XY old woman to the "maintainer" team [15:22]
* asciilifeform hasn't looked at prb in years, wouldn't at this point be surprised by anything at all [15:23]
mircea_popescu: kinda same here. [15:23]
mircea_popescu: sorta "unity"/"ubuntu"/whatever intellectual-abandonware. [15:24]
mircea_popescu: "america" [15:24]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Bakery Wins 11 Million USD Verdict Against Oberlin College For Institutional Hysterics [15:24]
feedbot: << Bimbo.Club -- Contrasting Churches. [15:41]
asciilifeform: in other lulz, reportedly in recent crapple, whole box is fulla epoxy, not only battery compartment [16:04]
mircea_popescu: recall that airconditioner ? [16:04]
asciilifeform: aha [16:05]
asciilifeform: interestingly, samsung et al are copying this 'genius' design [16:06]
asciilifeform: 'ohnoez, someone might swap battery, avoid buying new box' [16:06]
mircea_popescu: fucking orcs everywhere [16:06]
asciilifeform: 'konsoomer capitalism'(tm) [16:07]
asciilifeform: crapple, in the usual pantsuit 'add insult to injury', has audacity to brag re 'macbook is entirely recyclable' [16:17]
asciilifeform: nevermind that no recycler will touch epoxied battery with barge pole, it is first class fire hazard [16:17]
mircea_popescu: i suppose epoxy is, technucally, recuclable. [16:17]
asciilifeform: lol problem aint the epoxy. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: :p [16:18]
mircea_popescu: you know ? [16:18]
* asciilifeform has seen'em burn [16:18]
mircea_popescu: "the problem ain't even the epoxy" [16:18]
asciilifeform: to add to this already tall pile o'lulz, per crapple, epoxy aint enuff , power switch (deliberately flimsy) nao includes a cr50-style rsa ic, and not replaceable w/out Official Blessing from vendor (and for good measure, epoxied into the lump) [16:20]
mircea_popescu: they really don't want the shits ever turned off, do they. [16:20]
asciilifeform: 'off' [16:20]
asciilifeform: thing actually does a deedbot-style rng turd decrypt/confirm when pressed [16:20]
asciilifeform: on top of this (and, uncharacteristically, is hyped 'feature', rather than seekrit 'nobus') the boxen no longer 'off' if there are any joules left in battery nao serve 24/7 to relay gps coords from neighbouring crappletrons (both running and 'off') on the off-chance that someone didn't plug in a nic etc [16:22]
asciilifeform: being pushed as 'find my stolen irons' 'feature' [16:22]
mircea_popescu: heh [16:23]
asciilifeform: ( previously had similar 'feature', but required net connection for victi^H^H^H^Hcustomer ) [16:23]
mircea_popescu: basically they went ahead and did our passive mesh network thing [16:53]
asciilifeform: tbf not exactly new idea, various usgisms used as early as '80s [16:54]
mircea_popescu: yeah well [16:54]
mircea_popescu: how new can an idea be [16:54]
asciilifeform: 'no scripts are new'(tm)(r)!1111 [16:54]
mircea_popescu: aga [16:54]
asciilifeform: will be lulzy when someone finds how to ride arbitrary message on crapplenet. [16:55]
asciilifeform: !#s ricochet [16:56]
a111: 38 results for "ricochet", [16:56]
asciilifeform: subj [16:57]
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 04:25 asciilifeform: they still respond to signals! i once bought a ricochet modem just to determine this. [16:57]
asciilifeform: there's still a couple 100k of'em, drawing half an amp from light poles all over usa [16:57]
asciilifeform: and they happily pass packets. [16:57]
asciilifeform: abandoned in '90s. [16:57]
asciilifeform: afaik biggest 'radiomesh' ever (publicly) built. [16:58]
asciilifeform: it competed with the gsm people, who engineered a corporate 'oops, no money' for it to die on [16:58]
asciilifeform: ( 'ricochet' cost pennies to the dollar of gsm, at the time, for packetism ) [16:59]
asciilifeform: volkischer beobachter on subj, circa '01. [17:01]
asciilifeform: i dun know specifically why 'musted die', but in general usg favours the old telecom monopolies plus prolly didn't help that 'ricochet' did not build gps into the modems and made it possible to pass packets directly over the mesh, i.e. 'potentially terrorist' net [17:03]
* asciilifeform brb:tea [17:03]
mircea_popescu: quite potentially terrorist. [17:09]
asciilifeform: see also vintagelulz. [17:30]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-13 18:52 asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor . [17:30]
mircea_popescu: hey, kids go to school to learn, right ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu: "learn what' "how to fit in" [17:30]
asciilifeform: inca fears p2p radio like the proverbial vampire -- crucifix. i'm actually surprised somewhat, that 'ricochet' was even permitted to be built as it were [17:30]
diana_coman: hm, kind of all learning is about "how to fit in" the difference is "in what" [17:31]
asciilifeform: 'in learning the names of ptolemy's spheres'!1111 [17:32]
diana_coman: well, the 18yo me at programming exam-to-get-qualification-diploma got told directly (out of prof's sheer exasperation I suppose): "next time, don't think that much!" [17:38]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lol, what didja do, submit exam answer in asm ? [17:39]
diana_coman: I don't even recall exactly but basically took their spec too seriously [17:40]
asciilifeform: we had ~same type of profs here, with very few (~100% emigre) exceptions, i imagine much fewer exceptions than at diana_coman's uni. y'know the type, that reacts to 'made to think' same way as mcd clerk to being asked to make exact change [17:44]
diana_coman: well, how would anyone find as many exceptions as needed to fill all the unis basically (not to mention all schools!) [17:48]
asciilifeform: not only this, but they're as wanted by the brass as fox in chickenhouse. [17:49]
asciilifeform: all the ones i recall from early 2000s, gone nao [17:50]
asciilifeform: the type of person who thrives in reich academia, is ye olde 'beetle man'. [17:51]
diana_coman: that makes sense once it's a chickenhouse already, yes supposedly it's not /was not, to start with. [17:51]
diana_coman: my observation re numbers is that it's not as much whether reich or not but simply whether "public education" as in "for everyone" or not because if profs are recruited based on need, there will just never be enough really and the wider the base aka the greater the need, the more chickenhouse, inevitably [17:53]
* asciilifeform never attended a 'for only royalty' school , and cannot comment re 'not for-everyone' [17:54]
diana_coman: eh, what royalty to speak of, lol any exam-admission is already a form of "not for everyone" [17:55]
* asciilifeform did, however, go to a 'by exam, 2 dozen bodies to 1 spot' high school, but it was in usa, and full of... i guess modern-day ameri-equiv. of komosomol. disgusting 'climber' types. 'young republicans'(tm) etc [17:55]
asciilifeform: *komsomol [17:55]
diana_coman: what can I say fwiw on one hand entrance exam at my uni was already getting seriously watered down and onth in 500 students/ year (minimum), I have former colleagues that are happily microshitting now as they were then [17:56]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: rright, simply must point out, asciilifeform's experience with 'troo 1333337' schools is quite limited, pretty much 100% from archaeology, rather than own skin [17:56]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we had a (and 1 of the moar intelligent...) profs , who tried to 'drum up morale' by telling 'success stories', e.g. 'didja hear of bob, he's a gruppenfuhrer at microshit nao!' 'joe from last year is head of chromism at google' etc [17:58]
asciilifeform: or what was it instead of chromism, i dun recall [17:58]
asciilifeform: point is, most of the folx in the room were already there on acct of thinking uni was a somehow classier 'trade school' for programmer [17:59]
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform when graduated did not become gruppenfuhrer at microgoogle. instead did coupla yrs of hard time in a java saltmine. [18:01]
asciilifeform: ( eventually demoted to pulling cable an' cleaning ducts, then sacked. ) [18:02]
asciilifeform: was funny place, they had an inner core of people who 'research', supported by the salt mine contracts worked by the plebes. but to be in the 'research' clique, was apparently (unofficially) necessary to have 'mit' diploma. [18:05]
asciilifeform: owner of the co, had one, and thought it was what distinguished man from animal [18:05]
asciilifeform: was a sort of usg in-miniature (unsurprising, perhaps, for it was a quite typical '90% of revenue is from usg' software circus ) [18:06]
asciilifeform: asciilifeform out of school was dumb, from chumpatronic pov, as a sack of rocks, got conned into designing for these people a certain iron part, ~in off hours~ from cleaning ducts. it was, as i understand, put into production, with a mit grad's name attached. [18:08]
mircea_popescu: << hey, should have not been so hostile to blacks and women!!!1 [18:09]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-11 21:50 asciilifeform: all the ones i recall from early 2000s, gone nao [18:09]
mircea_popescu: wait, cs dept is NOT trade school ?! [18:10]
mircea_popescu: when was this ? [18:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one pt thse people had pretentions, to being 'applied maffs' [18:11]
asciilifeform: but may as well have been in time of atlantis, for all it matters nao [18:11]
mircea_popescu: in the sense every trade school has pretentions. [18:11]
mircea_popescu: but... "if you're too dumb to make it in math and too lazy/weird to make it in business... CS IS YOUR TICKET TO FOOD!!!" [18:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik there aint even a wet stain left, of these pretensions, today [18:12]
asciilifeform: to rubber 'food' at any rate. [18:12]
mircea_popescu: afaik all the "oh, not trade school, true universal education, APPLIED MATH!!!" hullaballoo ever produced was ~xml/wikipedia/that sorta thing. a lot of very overbearing, insufferable, nonsensically overspecified minutia. [18:13]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laff, but they opened a 'biznis cs' dept, for folx who ~can't count. [18:13]
mircea_popescu: i honestly don't recall a time anyone took cs for not-tradeschool. [18:13]
asciilifeform: afaik no great biznis stars graduated from this, but Any Day Nao lol [18:13]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, very easy to get new business STAR!!!! from socialist machine. they pick one, "congrats son, now you're Cuban Mark VII" [18:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect no later than '80s, and ~errybody involved prolly dead by nao of cirrhosis / joe stack / despair. [18:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, pretty much whole selling point by nao of the diploma, 'buy this here lottery ticket for cubanism' [18:15]
mircea_popescu: i suppose lisp stands as a leftover of the time you speak of, so it must've existed. [18:15]
asciilifeform: there's little enuff left that it takes serious archaeology to even show that it was there, aha [18:15]
asciilifeform: ftr i associate mit et al with (not only the infamous lightbulb) but the freak show described upstack, rather than with 'great researchers' [18:16]
mircea_popescu: the us wanna-be oxfords are like you know, kids at the special needs preserve dressing up in penguin costumes. [18:17]
asciilifeform: very briefly in late 'vhs' era there was such sea of usg money that a select few folx managed to embezzle a little and do something substantial. but all evaporated, or, worse, relabeled with 'correctly aryan' names [18:17]
mircea_popescu: the penguin was long gone by the time they were sewing those disgusies. [18:17]
asciilifeform: i never saw it other than as fragmented fossils. [18:19]
mircea_popescu: all of them, no exceptions, princeton of great fame, stanford, mit, what have you -- they survive as sovereign funds, exactly like china's (only much smaller, worse managed and with way shittier portofolios) with an entirely spuriously magic cap on. [18:20]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 17:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo found it << [18:20]
mircea_popescu: ("culture!!" "Science!!!") bla bla. [18:20]
mircea_popescu: but the relationship between the european university and the "found some cool shit, hit it with hammer, ran off with pieces to our troglodyte hovel" british college is iffy at best. [18:21]
asciilifeform: hey, spark of life left, e.g., ibm, 50y ago, still zombies on as 'hedge fund'. or for that matter, roman church, 1000y [18:21]
mircea_popescu: an' the relationship between THAT and the usgistani sadnesses is entirely like between historical penguin and extant penguin -- simple misnomerism. [18:21]
asciilifeform: incidentally the 'troo penguin' would imho be the ideal logo bird for linux [18:22]
asciilifeform: wonder why linus didn't pick ~that~ bird [18:22]
mircea_popescu: so... yeah. whatever, i forget what the point was. [18:22]
* mircea_popescu goes back to his vidya [18:23]
asciilifeform: thrd really of interest to zombologist strictly, think too hard re 'point' and yer own brain will begin to leak. [18:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatcha playing ? [18:23]
mircea_popescu: majesty! [18:23]
* asciilifeform shared mircea_popescu's 'vidya lament' with brother, who answered 'did he ever 'rage of mages' ' [18:24]
mircea_popescu: i got ~all the pre-2005 or so games. i got gothic, i got everything, 100s of titles. diablo 2. [18:24]
feedbot: << Ossa Sepia -- Eulora Client Hierarchy of Data Draft [18:24]
mircea_popescu: yup. << he might appreciate, your brother. [18:24]
asciilifeform: aa! [18:24]
asciilifeform: there's reportedly extensions an' such. [18:25]
* asciilifeform not tried [18:25]
mircea_popescu: ya nb. [18:25]
mircea_popescu: and Disciples, also great. and... well... [18:25]
* asciilifeform suspects that the pre-05 gamez will work 100% with just the cpu renderer... [18:33]
asciilifeform: not much need for the 4kg of nvidia [18:33]
asciilifeform: age of cheap irons!1111 (on which to run... what? rainbow tables?) [18:34]
asciilifeform: ... mine shitcoins? [18:35]
asciilifeform: ftr my '1080' is sad an' idle, gathers dust. [18:35]
* asciilifeform for many yrs nao could not muster the giving-a-fuck to mine shitcoin [18:35]
mircea_popescu: surely would have. [18:36]
mircea_popescu: worked i mean [18:36]
asciilifeform: for that matter afaik all the major shitcoinen have 'asicized' by nao iirc [18:36]
Mocky: << You're in Charlotte right? What are you doing on saturday? Let's meet up. [21:26]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-13 18:27 lobbes: I may indeed take some time in the next months to make a trip down there at least. If anything to clear my head and sort some things out (plus, I've never met another Republican in the meat, so there is also that plus) [21:26]
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