Forum logs for 09 Oct 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:

mod6:	<+BingoBoingo> asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box. << Thanks BB!	[00:00]
lobbesbot:	mod6: Sent 24 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437] [owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.	[00:00]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[00:00]
BingoBoingo:	mod6: If you can give me guidance on what directories you want, that will be helpful. Even downloading straight from the local switch, the whole blockchain is going to take time, and space.	[00:02]
mod6:	<+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts.	[00:02]
asciilifeform:	mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan.	[00:02]
mod6:	BingoBoingo: The directories are listed in my pgp msg.	[00:03]
mod6:	asciilifeform: fair enough. we'll see, one step at a time.	[00:03]
asciilifeform:	mod6: if you paid moar than coupla hundy for it, prolly worth to get it back via the post.	[00:03]
asciilifeform:	can then colo somewhere, in the new era of 'erry man for himself' colos.	[00:03]
BingoBoingo:	mod6: Aite, I see it now.	[00:04]
mod6:	thumbsup	[00:04]
mod6:	asciilifeform: werd.	[00:04]
asciilifeform:	btw if anyone doesn't want his box, i'll buy it (undisked naturally) for cost of postage.	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	i suppose oughta proper auction.	[00:05]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: His is not of you're preferred type of box	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	supposing in fact someone decides to jettison a box(s) .	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: even so.	[00:06]
asciilifeform:	orc market aint payin' squat for boxes, i suspect.	[00:06]
mod6:	re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month.	[00:06]
mod6:	However, I'm not closing the door on the whole thing. We'll have to evaluate our liabilities to our customers, cash on hand, who would be owed what, etc.	[00:07]
asciilifeform:	mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .	[00:07]
mod6:	It may not be a bad idea to look into. I just, for what its worth, have my doubts that much comes of it.	[00:08]
asciilifeform:	mod6: i also doubt. but imho worth to at least find what'd cost .	[00:08]
BingoBoingo:	On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	^	[00:10]
BingoBoingo:	Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally.	[00:11]
asciilifeform:	mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.	[00:11]
mod6:	Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time.	[00:11]
asciilifeform:	mod6: i dun expect that postage for boxen, or 1wk of refund, will eat anywhere close to whole piggy.	[00:11]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: I've still not had time to contemplate anywhere that might be better in the near to mid term.	[00:11]
asciilifeform:	mod6: and the sooner contract is finished with, the moar will remain.	[00:11]
mod6:	asciilifeform: that's decent news. but still, we should proceed with our customers needs first. then, possibly, see what we can do for Pizarro.	[00:12]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate .	[00:12]
asciilifeform:	i agree re mod6's '1st evacuate boxen'.	[00:13]
BingoBoingo:	Now, one thing we do need is some sort of ftp server we can use to get shared hosting customers GPG'd tarballs with their files and databases	[00:13]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i'd offer to host , but, lol, haven't where	[00:14]
BingoBoingo:	I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files	[00:14]
asciilifeform:	if no one comes up with where, i'ma get hold of a cheap heathen thing, they're gpgballs, ought not matter where to put.	[00:15]
asciilifeform:	mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.	[00:16]
BingoBoingo:	On the plus side we do have everyone's ssh pubkeys so we don't have to put up for all comers even though GPG'd	[00:17]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.	[00:17]
mod6:	asciilifeform: Well, that ~might~ be true. We ought to proceed though with careful steps to ensure we don't overlook something we need to ensure that everyone is settled correctly, accurately. Having some oversight from mircea_popescu on this will be good.	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	seems like the only 1 who hasn't yet come up for air is trinque .	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	mod6: mp has been providing a++ guru meditation. i expect will say moar.	[00:19]
mod6:	for sure, glad he's been able to give his guidence.	[00:20]
asciilifeform:	and yes errybody is to get back 1) data 2) coin 3) iron, in that order.	[00:20]
mod6:	i'd say that's the correct approach.	[00:20]
asciilifeform:	fwiw asciilifeform had a heathen isp close on him 2y ago. had no (3) personally owned in it, but never saw an lick of (1) or (2) .	[00:21]
asciilifeform:	we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku.	[00:21]
mod6:	the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit?	[00:22]
asciilifeform:	mod6: clean unwind is sumthing the heathens dun know how.	[00:23]
asciilifeform:	they tend to leave disgusting messes.	[00:23]
mod6:	ah, gotcha. but 3 people, or 3 boxen?	[00:23]
asciilifeform:	(3) i.e. irons	[00:23]
mod6:	ah, i see.	[00:23]
asciilifeform:	it was a leased irons isp rather than colo	[00:24]
asciilifeform:	dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry.	[00:24]
mod6:	ugh. :/	[00:25]
mod6:	One sec, brb.	[00:26]
mod6:	aight.	[00:31]
asciilifeform:	mod6: it presently seems that we do not disagree .	[00:34]
mod6:	yeah, seems like we're on the same page.	[00:34]
mod6:	was just looking for trinque's last transmission. seems like it was the 4th.	[00:35]
asciilifeform:	but, mod6 , if at any point you find that you take a difference to asciilifeform's method of conducting the orchestra plox to asap say .	[00:35]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.	[00:35]
asciilifeform:	!o seen-anywhere trinque	[00:35]
ossabot:	trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment	[00:35]
asciilifeform:	^ indeed	[00:35]
asciilifeform:	hopefully comes in soon .	[00:36]
asciilifeform:	( 3rd, 4th, whothefuck knows what the clock's set to on any of these )	[00:36]
mod6:	asciilifeform: will do. i think when '1,2,3' (above) are done, we can re-visit and see what makes sense.	[00:37]
asciilifeform:	ty mod6 .	[00:37]
mod6:	and, yah, maybe we ought to send him an email?	[00:37]
asciilifeform:	mod6: i expect he'll come back from sea or wherever he is before week is out, seems to do so regularly nowadays.	[00:37]
mod6:	fair enough.	[00:38]
asciilifeform:	mod6: unrelatedly, were you able to make contact with ben_vulpes at all ?	[00:42]
asciilifeform:	re tbf	[00:42]
mod6:	He asked us to leave him dead, so I've been respecting that. Until like 3 minutes ago. I just tried to poke him re: trinque.	[00:44]
asciilifeform:	mod6: this is problem. per charter .	[00:44]
mod6:	If/when I get a chance to discuss tbf with him, I'll see what he has to say. But my guess is he'd probably just like us to replace him as needed.	[00:45]
asciilifeform:	incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .	[00:46]
mod6:	We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though.	[00:47]
asciilifeform:	there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)	[00:47]
asciilifeform:	mod6: why not want to be involved ?	[00:48]
asciilifeform:	maybe i'm alone in this, but i don't hold against mod6 that he was breaking his back in a salt mine.	[00:49]
mod6:	Well, correct, I've stated that I think I've done the duty as spelled out in the Charter. It's well impressed on me that tbf needs new direction and new blood.	[00:49]
asciilifeform:	nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .	[00:50]
asciilifeform:	imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.	[00:51]
* BingoBoingo	to the basement on the mod6 mission	[00:52]
mod6:	I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.	[00:53]
mod6:	BingoBoingo: cheers!	[00:53]
asciilifeform:	mod6: imho it is only because we have trb, that other meaningful work has what to breathe.	[00:53]
mod6:	But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach.	[00:54]
asciilifeform:	mod6: new blood imho ought to then amend the charter.	[00:54]
mod6:	I agree, there should be a new one drawn up for whomever should take the helm.	[00:54]
asciilifeform:	( maybe only i take these seriously ? but imho such documents ought to represent reality )	[00:55]
mod6:	For me, I won't have a fief to preside over, but maybe I'll still submit trb related work.	[00:55]
asciilifeform:	mod6: i'ma submit for so long as anyone cares to read.	[00:55]
asciilifeform:	mod6: for instance, i have a gnatistic o(1) block db thing, that's a gnat bugfix away from battle tests.	[00:56]
mod6:	I have a whole list of things I wanna do actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.	[00:56]
asciilifeform:	mod6: as i understand you recently escaped gulag. so perhaps nao can do.	[00:56]
asciilifeform:	mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in.	[00:57]
mod6:	There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.	[00:57]
mod6:	Maybe even in book form some day.	[00:58]
* asciilifeform	himself 'studying ffa' , load it again into head !	[00:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )	[00:58]
mod6:	Not committed or married to the idea, but I've been trying to think about what I might want to spend my time on.	[00:58]
asciilifeform:	mod6: annotation of trb is a+++ Right Thing imho.	[00:58]
asciilifeform:	esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from.	[00:58]
asciilifeform:	the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants.	[00:59]
mod6:	Yeah, for TRB/TRBi to improve, or take form, one needs to fully comprehend what it is we have, this thing called 'bitcoin'.	[00:59]
mod6:	Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help.	[01:00]
asciilifeform:	mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se.	[01:00]
mod6:	I would agree with you on that. In this chamber, I do find quite a depth of knowledge. It is, however, spread across a handful of people.	[01:01]
asciilifeform:	to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?	[01:01]
asciilifeform:	no one presently knows afaik.	[01:02]
mod6:	Right, it's a old question, and a good one.	[01:02]
mod6:	Lot's of questions need to be asked such as this, and their answers, ugly or not, need to be found.	[01:02]
asciilifeform:	or, to take another, what will happen if a 'nonfinal' tx is again mined ?	[01:03]
asciilifeform:	or... i've a bunch of these.	[01:03]
mod6:	lol, werd. it's all important, indeed.	[01:03]
asciilifeform:	mod6: importantly, tho, most of this horror aint relevant to 'trbi'	[01:03]
mod6:	Heck, write 'em down and post 'em for future review.	[01:03]
asciilifeform:	is only relevant to people who want to build trb-compat. mechanism from ground.	[01:04]
asciilifeform:	for this, the biggest afaik hole in what is known, is how the idjit ssl-guts crypto stack operates.	[01:04]
asciilifeform:	even the 'der' parser, i presently have nfi how worx.	[01:05]
mod6:	yeah, it's a shitshow	[01:05]
asciilifeform:	but again this is only interesting if one's building a '100% trb-compat' in e.g. ada.	[01:05]
asciilifeform:	for a novel 'trbi' is entirely uninteresting what or how did fucking openssl.	[01:05]
mod6:	<+asciilifeform> mod6: if you start to study ffa, dun hesitate to ask asciilifeform to help as you go in. << will do!	[01:11]
asciilifeform:	mod6: incidentally imho diana_coman 1) understands it about as well as asciilifeform 2) is a+++ pedagogue .	[01:12]
mod6:	Yeah, she's pretty deep into the chapters iirc.	[01:13]
asciilifeform:	i do not know whether diana_coman is still taking people into her school, but for a ffa n00b it is imho a very desirable school.	[01:14]
asciilifeform:	mod6: diana_coman has eaten all of the material to date.	[01:14]
mod6:	Ah! Tight.	[01:18]
mod6:	Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.	[01:18]
mod6:	And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.	[01:19]
asciilifeform:	perhaps he still has a pulse, might answer.	[01:19]
mod6:	We'll see	[01:19]
asciilifeform:	but even if not answers, no pulse, 'the spice must flow'(tm)	[01:19]
mod6:	THE SPICE MUST FLOW	[01:20]
mod6:	I'm totally in the middle of Dune.	[01:20]
* asciilifeform	liked.	[01:20]
mod6:	Was previously actually looking for a Kynes quote...	[01:20]
asciilifeform:	imho it was a much better 'have-read' world to play in head with, than 'to-read' per se, 1 of those.	[01:21]
mod6:	"'To the working planetologist, his most important tool is human beings,' his father said. 'You must cultivate ecological literacy among the people.'"	[01:23]
mod6:	This I've sort-of applied to the sense that for actual humans, which we can sift-the-sand for, tbf/tmsr can cultivate bitcoin literacy.	[01:24]
asciilifeform:	mod6: imho this , important -- what good is 'ref impl.' if no one understands it, or why even exists. i dun actually disagree w/ mp re 'needs public tentacles'.	[01:27]
mod6:	nod	[01:28]
mod6:	one sec, brb.	[01:28]
asciilifeform:	but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)	[01:29]
mod6:	Both are important, ofc.	[01:36]
asciilifeform:	mod6: imho this is 1 of those cases where 'the spring is no good w/out the ratchet, or the ratchet -- w/out the spring' .	[01:37]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-09-09 14:59:45 asciilifeform: vintage illustration .	[01:37]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942833 << btw, I've snagged another leased server from some singapore heathen hoster. Once they provision the thing and give login info then auctionbot will live again. However, if it is desperately needed in the meantime I can slap it up on the usg hoster as a stop-gap measure	[01:39]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 00:05:43 asciilifeform: i suppose oughta proper auction.	[01:39]
asciilifeform:	neato lobbes	[01:41]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: afaik auctionbot contains no seekritz (other than fleanode pw for itself) so in principle could live ~anywhere	[01:42]
mod6:	Alright folks, I gotta get some meat going here. But I'll be checking back if you need me. Otherwise, will be back around tomorrow.	[01:43]
asciilifeform:	goodnight mod6	[01:43]
mod6:	o7	[01:43]
* asciilifeform	will bbl, also meat.	[01:43]
lobbes:	enjoy the meats fellas	[01:44]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: main reason for not wanting to host it on usg box is mainly because logger is also running on there and a) don't want too many eggs in one basket and b) don't want too many things interfacing with same postgres database (since actionbot is on top of logbot which also logs every line, and I dunno if this will slow things down or what. I like the idea of segregating them in this sense)	[01:49]
lobbes:	And the rest of my boxen are VPSen, which just suck in general for most things	[01:49]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1942856 << in my case, I think I have all the backups I need. I had the presence of mind to run my backup script of auctionbot data and blog dump when I logged in for final time. There is always a chance I forgot something or dump is corrupt, etc. Will find out in the coming days once heathen replacement comes online	[01:50]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 00:14:42 BingoBoingo: I imagine RockChip customers as well may need some files	[01:50]
trinque:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942955 << still very much alive, and have been following along.	[02:18]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:09 mod6: Also, told bv to tap trinque on the shoulder.	[02:18]
trinque:	if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.	[02:19]
trinque:	it can be sold, scrapped, w/e makes sense.	[02:20]
trinque:	I'd like a final backup of my uy1 web dir, blog and w/e else is in there.	[02:21]
trinque:	I can arrange to have an sftp destination for the contents.	[02:21]
trinque:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940717 << I never noticed I was depressed from the lack until the lack was satisfied for the first time. I think this is general wisdom.	[02:23]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-05 14:34:28 BingoBoingo: Trinque's recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.	[02:23]
trinque:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942747 << yep, I pulled in the stylesheet from my blog on several other items. I'll get it backed out if I can't get the latest copy of my blog soon.	[02:25]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 18:02:28 diana_coman: asciilifeform: re paste.deedbot it might be ~ http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942251	[02:25]
trinque:	brb, moving my bouncer to another box.	[02:27]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942223 << It's been a busy day, but thank you mp for asking if I forgot to issue thanks before	[02:31]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 05:53:12 mp_en_viaje: 2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.	[02:31]
BingoBoingo:	Rest of the usb-ttyls out along with misc adapters	[02:34]
asciilifeform:	ty BingoBoingo . and wb trinque	[02:44]
trinque:	evening asciilifeform	[02:44]
BingoBoingo:	Evening trinque	[02:44]
trinque:	hey BingoBoingo, how are you holding up?	[02:44]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: trinque's box contains FG. look up whether personal ( in which case must be posted to him ) or piz's plox	[02:44]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: Not as bad as Sunday. It's a different stress, but its been a fairly productive stress.	[02:45]
trinque:	I've been part of plenty of failed business ventures, know the burn.	[02:46]
* asciilifeform	also	[02:47]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:14:17 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )	[02:47]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Will do the lookup. That information's going to be in what survives of the ancient GPGmessNotes	[02:47]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Will do that lookup however, later	[02:48]
asciilifeform:	ty BingoBoingo . can also look up by what his price was, if it's == colo + fg, then was our fg.	[02:48]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: plz sleep, aha	[02:48]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: He's been billed straight colo. His FUCKGOATS	[02:48]
trinque:	I wouldn't mind having the fg when it can be arranged, actually.	[02:49]
asciilifeform:	aha ha. then trinque plox to gpg re where it wants to live.	[02:49]
trinque:	the rest isn't worth the cost of shipping out	[02:49]
asciilifeform:	then to auctionblock re the rest of it. but fg to trinque .	[02:49]
trinque:	drives kind of suspect after any deployment, etc	[02:50]
trinque:	ty, will do	[02:50]
asciilifeform:	trinque: want disks cremated ?	[02:50]
asciilifeform:	there's a crematory list	[02:50]
trinque:	can, or trashed. I don't tend to put sensitive items on webservers.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo:	!Qlater tell mod6 http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery	[02:50]
lobbesbot:	BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: He's got two crematory type disks and to spinning rusts along with a spare spinning rust	[02:51]
asciilifeform:	ok trinque . then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/... and iron auctions. ( after all else finish )	[02:51]
trinque:	blog tarball can be had? eta?	[02:52]
asciilifeform:	trinque: BingoBoingo spent day w/ wheelbarrow to remove irons from meltdown zone, i expect soon will have tarballs.	[02:52]
trinque:	cool, thanks BingoBoingo	[02:53]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: working on a place to put tarballs. If you have a place you want me to sftp it, I can GPGgram my ssh pubkey	[02:53]
trinque:	how much space do you need for the whole drop?	[02:53]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: This little machine will take time to produce the tarballs.	[02:53]
trinque:	I could host on deedbot	[02:53]
trinque:	for others also, I mean.	[02:54]
asciilifeform:	oh neat, ty trinque . will depend on how much folx weigh. may have to do 1-2 at a time.	[02:54]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: Not including the databases, it was around 35 GB iirc. Will go down with tar.gz, but uncertain how much	[02:55]
BingoBoingo:	trinque: ssh key http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=hDe2	[02:58]
trinque:	ack, got it	[03:00]
* BingoBoingo	to take a short walk with the back unloaded before turning in.	[03:04]
asciilifeform:	goodnight BingoBoingo	[03:04]
asciilifeform:	ty BingoBoingo for the sweat.	[03:04]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Thought popped in on getting the handcart in and out without asking for the special cart door priviledge, but will have to wait for daylight.	[03:05]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: dont break yourself. i strongly suspect the contents will be there still tomorrow.	[03:05]
asciilifeform:	seems like all the primo irreplaceables -- already out , and in BingoBoingo's hands nao.	[03:06]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: asciilifeform Well there's the FG inside whatever boxes have them	[03:07]
asciilifeform:	get'em tomorrow. nao rest.	[03:07]
mod6:	BingoBoingo: Got your message, thanks for your work. Yeah, go get some rest, I'll msg ya again tomorrow. Cheers!	[03:10]
lobbesbot:	mod6: Sent 19 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=8O_Y << Notes on the recovery	[03:10]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: One last thing. We had a neighbor installed later than us. That rack is now all air dams without boxes.	[03:10]
* mod6	afk also	[03:11]
trinque:	BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=sGFv	[03:13]
trinque:	feel free to dump the whole uy1 wad there, and I can get folks ssh access to their stuff.	[03:14]
trinque:	lmk if it doesn't work.	[03:14]
trinque:	make sure to encrypt to their key and sign with yours, of course	[03:14]
* asciilifeform	asked for quotes in a dc in darkest afri^H^H^H^Hbaltimore. will see what comes out.	[03:45]
asciilifeform:	all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.	[03:46]
* asciilifeform	to bed.	[03:49]
diana_coman:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942950 - ty asciilifeform !	[06:26]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 22:13:30 asciilifeform: mod6: incidentally imho diana_coman 1) understands it about as well as asciilifeform 2) is a+++ pedagogue .	[06:26]
diana_coman:	ftr I consider FFA mandatory for #o & rather entry level at that but so far people still need to excavate selves to get to that entry level even.	[06:32]
diana_coman:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 - certainly need materials and yes, I think mod6 would do a great job annotating the trb code and generally getting it moving again.	[06:49]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.	[06:49]
diana_coman:	guten morgen mp_en_viaje	[09:31]
mp_en_viaje:	hola!	[09:31]
diana_coman:	berlin?	[09:32]
mp_en_viaje:	near frankfurt	[09:33]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesnt suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you	[09:33]
mp_en_viaje:	atone for your sinful behaviour of yore.	[09:33]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .	[09:33]
mp_en_viaje:	it's not "s.nsa is a thing for as long as i can carry on doing what i fucking feel like i doing, but should that become untenable it can just dissipate into thin air".	[09:34]
mp_en_viaje:	and in general, this purely latino whore style of "i don't mind what they call it for as long as i can keep doing exactly the fuck it was i was gonna do anyway" dun werk.	[09:35]
mp_en_viaje:	it did not work for the original latino whores it did not work for dpb, "oh, ima call myself a republican but really, what i'm interested in is remarkably stupid sterlie shit". not worked for phf idem exactly, and will not work fucking generally.	[09:36]
mp_en_viaje:	so the discussion will absolutely be carried in terms of "is this generating value for nsa shareholders", not "will mp be persuaded".	[09:39]
mp_en_viaje:	what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?	[09:40]
mp_en_viaje:	more importantly, what the fuck, we paid DC prices to rent machines so that pizarro could have a book, now we also buy them back so pizarro doesn't have a downside ? what the fuck is this, training for failure ?	[09:43]
mp_en_viaje:	this is why renting costs more than ownership, precisely and specifically this : that the owner's stuck with the risks of owning.	[09:43]
mp_en_viaje:	i'm not against nsa paying fair market value for the things, if you want them but fair MARKET value, not alf-value where he insanely calls things maxint and worthless according to the elucubrative needs of his deranged mental processes, which somehow manage to produce http://archive.is/qLu5P time and time and time again (and even notices this), but no substantial change.	[09:47]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 12:04:34 mp_en_viaje: you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?	[09:47]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.	[09:50]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.	[09:50]
* mp_en_viaje	would also pay something for spinoza-polished lenses but because i'm perverse not because they're worth it.	[09:51]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942663 << at this juncture perhaps i should share this tidbit : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=t7-3	[09:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:44:01 diana_coman: I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other without your "account" that I utterly don't need and similar.	[09:58]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: actually I woke up to a bunch of emails saying "you do need an account BUT no need to fill in any info really, just email plz"	[09:59]
mp_en_viaje:	this is what they do, what they all do : "hey, would you like to be a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm" ???	[09:59]
diana_coman:	but still, need "account"	[10:00]
mp_en_viaje:	just that, no more, merely repeated over and over AND OVER again. who knows, maybe if you ask the same dumb question enough times the answer changes/	[10:00]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, maybe the right move here is to construct a little counter, you know ? "i'd like to use your services, this is what you have to do".	[10:00]
diana_coman:	for extra lulz had some swiss guys too: I asked them 4 questions even numbered they took 1 day to come back with a reply that sort-of and without referencing, covered maybe 2 I replied and pointed out that an aswer that doesn't answer makes for funny reading so will they answer questions 1 and 4 now? they came back answering only 1.	[10:01]
mp_en_viaje:	nobody could accuse him of not handling that inbox.	[10:01]
diana_coman:	you mean like "data centres wanting to actually do business, here's what you need to do" ?	[10:02]
mp_en_viaje:	yup.	[10:03]
mp_en_viaje:	"you have to register your gpg key, and issue me invoices thus and following". make it short clear and complete, and that's that.	[10:03]
diana_coman:	re their handling of inboxes, my best explanations is http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942700	[10:03]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:40 diana_coman: I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist	[10:03]
mp_en_viaje:	i don't expect they will, but why not match idiocy with idiocy ? every time they send an ill thought out, wetware-shannonized piece of idiocy about how "hey, would you like to be a twerking wigger slave on my internet lulzcow farm" ??? you send one right back.	[10:04]
mp_en_viaje:	get one of those machines-gangsaying-machines thing going, what can possibly be hurt.	[10:04]
mp_en_viaje:	surely better balanced than imbalanced.	[10:04]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: can't hurt for sure.	[10:05]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait for everyone to get	[10:07]
mp_en_viaje:	tired".	[10:07]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours	[10:07]
mp_en_viaje:	which worked ok for them, historically : they started the game ~same century as germany, and have bucharest to show for it.	[10:08]
mp_en_viaje:	(this is a literalism : it is likely caesar's original target, to "plunder something and get out of debt" was dacia not gaul but dacia too strong for him at the time)	[10:12]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << yes, we are saying the same thing here. "insane" as in extremely large, "nine months is an insane interval to make an omlet". "well... first i gotta find a chicken"	[10:23]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g. I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go	[10:23]
mp_en_viaje:	"sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"	[10:23]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942692 << you really have to get specific, "this is what you must do".	[10:25]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:14:15 diana_coman: but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them	[10:25]
mp_en_viaje:	it's not even untenable to pay a little extra for it, i guess.	[10:25]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942698 << lmao wtf novel concept	[10:26]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:23:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance	[10:26]
mp_en_viaje:	these people have no floorwashing crew where they live ?	[10:26]
mp_en_viaje:	considering they're all fucking glorified floor washers...	[10:27]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942706 << oh, it's one o fthose orcmiami-wannabe "tower" things, isn't it.	[10:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!	[10:28]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942709 << wait, what ?!	[10:29]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp	[10:29]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942714 << yes, he's a 2-takt engine, dither and do. in the do phase he's pretty good, but in the dither phase he's phenomenal.	[10:30]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:31:57 lobbes: asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still )	[10:30]
mp_en_viaje:	and the whole delco assemblage for it seems to be a single internally represented bit. whether he feels like he can do it / it could be done / should be done / the priests approve, nfi.	[10:31]
diana_coman:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943109 - fwiw, I did tell them what I wanted, specifically that's when they went blink-blink-blink and then... do you need gpu?	[10:32]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 07:25:45 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942692 << you really have to get specific, "this is what you must do".	[10:32]
mp_en_viaje:	meanwhile in other lulz, https://www.delcotimes.com 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons, the web went exactly where you'd expect.	[10:33]
diana_coman:	I suppose next time I'm in Bucharest, if I really have nothing to do, I'll go and visit data centre, make them call one another until the room is full and keep them going blink-blink	[10:33]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, all im saying is, have a ready sheet somewhere.	[10:33]
diana_coman:	yes, I need to write it down ready for paste, indeed.	[10:34]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, or alternatively, could just go to vienna instead, have cup of coffee	[10:34]
diana_coman:	austrians know how to make proper hot chocolate!	[10:34]
mp_en_viaje:	anyway, not like i forbade ro dc. i merely observed that very likely not worth anyone's time, an observation anyone's welcome to dispute, why not	[10:34]
diana_coman:	so far they failed spectacularly in my books, what can I say malaysians might do better.	[10:35]
mp_en_viaje:	for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly.	[10:35]
mp_en_viaje:	can't source parts, can't wash floors, what is it for, "gimme" ?	[10:35]
diana_coman:	it's for "s-avem si noi falitii nostri"	[10:36]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942715 << i was thinking exactly that, incidentally. this picture in my mind of orc-borg assembly, perceiving readily the problem with the hole in elevator wall. it is CLEAR what it is, so need to fix is perceived etc.	[10:37]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:32:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111	[10:37]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2016-05-04#1462484	[10:38]
ossabot:	Logged on 2016-05-04 10:59:33 mircea_popescu: how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!"	[10:38]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942724 << yes this being very much NOT what training is.	[10:39]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:34:46 asciilifeform: they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding.	[10:39]
mp_en_viaje:	training is making the kitty do what she doesn't do, not what she was waiting to do all along.	[10:39]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942736 << it's approx what i do. though still interrupted, which is the principal function of the harem in fact. but i'll point out that it is fallacy of naive linear extension to imagine "3, 4, 10, 100 days" works quite like that. yes uninterrupted slots are good, but not experimentaly useful past a few hours. yes the knowledge, certified by experience, that "can get back to this wh	[10:43]
mp_en_viaje:	enever" is even more useful. but uninterruptedness per se breeds insanity.	[10:43]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:52:09 asciilifeform: picture, to be able to actually think about something uninterrupted for 3, 4, 10, 100 days!!	[10:43]
mp_en_viaje:	in fact, i currently suspect the principal avenue through which the marginally retarded / autistic "engineer" bois of contemporaneity are built is through parents ineptly failing to recognize these children's preference for non-interrupting as a disease symptom, and catering to it.	[10:44]
mp_en_viaje:	rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.	[10:45]
mp_en_viaje:	then of course the fantasy becomes unsustainable once school starts, so they acquire as a bonus on the side all the desocialization brought by being morosely aloof and ineptly derpy instead of vital. and from there on... you got pretty much the whole enchilada, aged 10 or so the boi's already useless, THROUGH TRAINING. and will likely stay useless his whole lfie.	[10:47]
mp_en_viaje:	in other news, spessart in the fulda gap is beautiful in the autumn.	[10:52]
* mp_en_viaje	recommends.	[10:52]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942759 << "A spring broke loose today, from frost like from jail. In the confusion I called out -- "old friend, leave the smoke!". But the answer came silent, as yesterday's spring never returned from the war. " rather.	[11:00]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 18:32:02 asciilifeform: 'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.'	[11:00]
mp_en_viaje:	the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.	[11:02]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?	[11:08]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.	[11:08]
mp_en_viaje:	could be a good idea for isps of the future to keep ~weight~ accouintancy as well. you never know.	[11:08]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942800 << certainly. a good time to threaten, "if you don't pay me now you'll have to pay 2x + legal fees in a few months, and i will take out newspaper publicity on your name,"	[11:11]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:33:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.	[11:11]
mp_en_viaje:	this makes one feel great when "it works", but experimentally it almost never does anything -- hurts their feelings if they were going to pay anyway, and otherwise god himself can't squeeze blood out of stone.	[11:12]
mp_en_viaje:	but, the feelings of idiots should be hurt as a matter of course.	[11:12]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that.	[11:13]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.	[11:13]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[11:13]
mp_en_viaje:	nothing wrong with talking to a local legal guy, see what he says in any case.	[11:14]
mp_en_viaje:	no point in trying to optimize early / hammer down details before that though.	[11:14]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in.	[11:17]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:03:37 asciilifeform: mod6: yer unlikely to get ~anyffin for it if sold in orcistan.	[11:17]
mp_en_viaje:	and the premium was something insane like 150-200% half the time. not to mentio nthe conditions mindblowing -- three week delays "perfectly acceptable, no refunds need be offered" on items promised for overnight delivery etc.	[11:18]
mp_en_viaje:	i can't conceive why the fuck you'd not get 50% over list value merely for the thing being in uy already.	[11:18]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942832 << wtf sense does this make ? you'll buy it "for cost of postage" and nsa will buy boxes for quarter btc a pop ?	[11:19]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:05:48 asciilifeform: btw if anyone doesn't want his box, i'll buy it (undisked naturally) for cost of postage.	[11:19]
mp_en_viaje:	list the shit up for sale on their ebay clone and see wtf.	[11:19]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942837 << motherfucker how does that brain work ?	[11:19]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:06:52 asciilifeform: orc market aint payin' squat for boxes, i suspect.	[11:19]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942840 << and this suspicion is based on your never talking to any or what ?	[11:20]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .	[11:20]
mp_en_viaje:	i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?	[11:22]
mp_en_viaje:	just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you ~screamingly~ misma	[11:24]
mp_en_viaje:	nage into the ground...	[11:24]
mp_en_viaje:	it's not JUST that you fucked up your most recent venture by brushing hair while the barn burned.	[11:24]
mp_en_viaje:	its that every single fucking item in your life is this exercise in imaginary minimaxing, the burning sulphur and frogs rain outside is "not too bad" but the vcr clock not being set is "intolerable and requires your immediate attention" and so in this vein until the three legged half-sphere cows come home.	[11:25]
mp_en_viaje:	at which point it's "the priests".	[11:25]
mp_en_viaje:	every time im talking to you about anything touching business it's like talking to a literary character.	[11:26]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942843 << combative doing what the fuck exactly ? you owe no property, as far as i recall didn't even manage incorporating an actual business. they'll what, send some pichi to wait by your door and "por favor, una moneda por latechco" every time you go in or out ?	[11:29]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:10:14 BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative	[11:29]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate.	[11:31]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.	[11:31]
mp_en_viaje:	be that as it may : one particularly inept internet provider in costa rica (whom i suspect by now is just a local-dressup verizon or coxco or somesuch rural midwestern bs) failed to deliver to spec were warned to either immediately remedy or else (which they ignored) were ordered to close the contract (which they claimed they did) sent a further bill, which was returned with lolz (they responded by pointing out that contract c	[11:33]
mp_en_viaje:	an't be cancelled). were sent to /dev/null henceforth.	[11:33]
mp_en_viaje:	i still have somewhere in the basement all of their gear, which i have no intention of returning for their side they sent however many REALLY IMPORTANT notices, then started sms-ing the phone about imaginary "court cases" and then started offering "settlements". and then nfi, i hadn't followed, the humor value ran thin.	[11:34]
mp_en_viaje:	the moral being that contrary to what the pantsuit dweebery dept may be trying (and occasionally succeeding) in imprinting upon midwestern helicopter moms, the recourse of 3 ring binder corp putting forth claims upon its failure to service contracts is exactly nil.	[11:36]
mp_en_viaje:	they can suck it up and like it very much, or else drop the "corporate policy" and start sucking cock, whatever comes first.	[11:37]
mp_en_viaje:	but in any case i'd say it's immoral to give the latechco idiots more money and stupid to burn good money chasing out imaginary obligations according to idiots.	[11:37]
mp_en_viaje:	and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.	[11:38]
mp_en_viaje:	unlikely as that may be.	[11:38]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942858 << liquidators become necessary if there's open conflict among principals. not seems to be the case.	[11:40]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:17:35 asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.	[11:40]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942860 << the ~pub~keys ?	[11:41]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.	[11:41]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942868 << this'd be a great outcome, as far as such are available, defo.	[11:42]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:22:28 asciilifeform: we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku.	[11:42]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942876 >> pity you didn't documnt this at the time, it'd have made great reference point here, instead of vague nothings.	[11:43]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:25:23 asciilifeform: dc was bought out (presumably 'to make netflix cache' tho i dun specifically know its fate) and all subscribers hung to dry.	[11:43]
mp_en_viaje:	like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940689, you know /	[11:44]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-05 13:54:38 mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/scammer off sitepoint forums no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivab	[11:44]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942900 << depends what you mean by "maintain".	[11:46]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .	[11:46]
mp_en_viaje:	but no, it's not actually in breach of its charter. it's just fucking dead inthe water, what.	[11:46]
mp_en_viaje:	what maintain, nobody even fucking heard of it. it's not like rando walks in here to sell me his dc / sister and when i ask "you know what all of this is" he goes "well, i know about tbf..."	[11:47]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942902 << foundation charters are drawn narrow to permit them to do fucking work. arguing "o look, copy of some bits on my pc in mom's basement means foundation exists, (and so does morgraine, my favourite comics character)!!" is childish at best.	[11:50]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:48:21 asciilifeform: there is nuffin in the charter regarding e.g. carrying out propaganda, or even the building of noades. (tho both imho are Right Thing)	[11:50]
mp_en_viaje:	you know what stanford's charter is ? here : "First, the Nature, Object, and Purposes of the Institution Hereby Founded, to Be: Its nature, that of a university with such seminaries of learning as shall make it of the highest grade, including mechanical institutes, museums, galleries of art, laboratories, and conservatories, together with all things necessary for the study of agriculture in all its branches, and for mechanical train	[11:54]
mp_en_viaje:	ing, and the studies and exercises directed to the cultivation and enlargement of the mind: Its object, to qualify its students for personal success, and direct usefulness in life And its purposes, to promote the public welfare by exercising an influence in behalf of humanity and civilization, teaching the blessings of liberty regulated by law, and inculcating love and reverence for the great principles of government as derived fro	[11:54]
mp_en_viaje:	m the inalienable rights of man to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."	[11:54]
mp_en_viaje:	according to this charter, Fayetteville State University just as "fulfills".	[11:54]
mp_en_viaje:	heck, even pizarro delivers uruguay dc services to its customers even today.	[11:55]
mp_en_viaje:	(btw : Fayetteville State University is 2/3 female, and worst crime rate in the state. because that's what happens when you mix inclusivity with female-friendliness, you build a rape shack.)	[11:56]
mp_en_viaje:	https://www.wral.com/news/local/story/102922/ lulz	[11:57]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942903 << because he has exactly none of the skillsets involved in running anything even remotely like a useful foundation, and no interest in acquiring them (or perhaps no capacity for acquiring them) as proven by years of practical measurements.	[11:59]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:49:15 asciilifeform: mod6: why not want to be involved ?	[11:59]
mp_en_viaje:	this aren't fucking onorifics, i dunno how to put it in some form comprehensible to the morgraine fans. these are opportunities to do work. "doing something" is not doing work.	[12:01]
mp_en_viaje:	if the thing dun work -- you've not been working, there's no subjective-standard basis for arguing this, "oh look how much i sweated" or anything like that. shit gotta work for activity to be called work.	[12:02]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942906 << don't be an idiot, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-31#1932784 not to even look into "oh but mp, foundation didn't actually have to do anything, as per my inept read of its charter" lulz. what, it says "emplace noads" in there now ?	[12:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:51:32 asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .	[12:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-08-31 19:15:27 asciilifeform: will put in l0gz, ftr : the only nodes that gave >100 blox of the 46115 :	[12:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:47:31 asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .	[12:05]
mp_en_viaje:	"oh, it'll be sad to not have a thing we don't have, to do things it didn't do anyway that i just argued i tshouldn't have been doing in any case".	[12:05]
mp_en_viaje:	what is this!	[12:05]
mp_en_viaje:	yes, it'd have been perfectly fine to say, YEAR+ AGO WHEN THIS CAME UP, "well mp, maybe we don't do other things, but we have a donations program that's growing an average 0.2% per month, predicated on building trb nodes, which we do built, at the rate of ~one per quarter".	[12:07]
mp_en_viaje:	this -- was not said, then. don't fucking cpome to me with your insulting infantile narrative bullshit today, as if i've fucking forgotten,.	[12:07]
mp_en_viaje:	they sat on ass and sucked each other dicks about how important they are for bitcoin "Because mp says so" while bitcoin went exactly by them, like all other plowing flies. but like EXACTLY.	[12:08]
mp_en_viaje:	this ground was covered already, and in the exact terminology, of "your whole relevancy to this space is my say so, you've built nothing out of it, and if tomorrow i do not say you do not fucking exist, idiots".	[12:09]
mp_en_viaje:	attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.	[12:09]
mp_en_viaje:	no outreach = no foundation. forget about it.	[12:10]
mp_en_viaje:	no outreach = no business. forget about it.	[12:10]
mp_en_viaje:	no foundation, no business, there may be a MINOR place for castrated bois on the farm, but it's in the barn not in the house.	[12:11]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942907 << the EXACT other way around.	[12:14]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:52:11 asciilifeform: imho these are the fundamentals, without which all other adventures pertaining to trb (e.g. propaganda) are meaningless.	[12:14]
mp_en_viaje:	everything you do, each day, is meaningless and stays meaningless. you even understand this yourself, in [][a different compartment] of the stupid head.	[12:17]
mp_en_viaje:	meh, i'd have linked the "oh, nobody reads these" plaintive from before, including with the very nice article if yielded on diana_coman 's site, but of coruse one too old the other not routable, what can i do.	[12:17]
mp_en_viaje:	the shit you do isn't ~the basis~ for outreach. outreach is the basis for the shit you do, which is why and wherefore you've been productive since the republic and depressed prior.	[12:18]
mp_en_viaje:	stop confusing cause and effect, stop looking up the wrong name server roots, stop minimaxing randomly about, it's the stuff of insanity.	[12:18]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942909 << /me waves his hand disgustedly.	[12:20]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:53:52 mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.	[12:20]
mp_en_viaje:	sure, anytime someones ready to do some useful shit there's a shitton of useful shit that's needed.	[12:20]
mp_en_viaje:	meanwhile the MOMENT something buds, it's not even actually waited until it buds, just as soon as it's NAMED -- whopeee, everyone's happily checked out again, flipped off the switch, their work here's done, let the name and inertia carry on through the ages.	[12:21]
mp_en_viaje:	erryone got some figurines to paint in the den.	[12:22]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942922 << no danger of that. but yes, if we ever get a church we're gonna need some prettily carved steeple decorations eventually (or not), best set to it rightnow!	[12:23]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:34 mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.	[12:23]
mp_en_viaje:	if the church not ever built, they can nicely decorate your underbed o w/e, it's been done before.	[12:24]
mp_en_viaje:	them figurines tho, that's the thing.	[12:24]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942924 << i'm glad to hear you've gained ~nothing for this experience, either.	[12:25]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:58:50 asciilifeform: himself 'studying ffa' , load it again into head !	[12:25]
mp_en_viaje:	go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.	[12:25]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942940 << no you dorks, it's all deeply unimportant, and you're exactly not called to touch any of it.	[12:27]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 22:04:05 mod6: lol, werd. it's all important, indeed.	[12:27]
mp_en_viaje:	it works just the fuck fine, and i wouldn't have a buncha morons that can't get a biplane off the ground touch it in any case.	[12:27]
mp_en_viaje:	first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.	[12:28]
mp_en_viaje:	"oh hurr durr, everything we touch turns to shit, let's fix bitcoin herp"	[12:28]
mp_en_viaje:	it's not "i can't do my job, therefore i have more important things to do". there's no fucking refuge available in hallucinaria, "more important" things you self-declare yourself apt for.	[12:30]
mp_en_viaje:	you'te not fucking apt for anything, if yo ucan't run a foundation, something any middle aged sad female abandoned by her offspring manages just fine, if you can't manage a cozy isp with a bunchload of friendl contracts, it's not because "you're dragons called to plough",	[12:31]
mp_en_viaje:	it's because you're a bunch of mangy old asses that are NEVER going to be asked to fly or spit fire.	[12:32]
mp_en_viaje:	check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.	[12:33]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942956 << and why could he possibly not want to, I WONDER	[12:34]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 22:19:47 mod6: And mentioned that if he wants to, he can stop by for a nomination to the co-chair.	[12:34]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942970 << exactly zero chance of that (not that you're not trying to recreate the power ranger ecosystem in your own likeness), because the structure's correctly set.	[12:36]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 22:29:55 asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)	[12:36]
mp_en_viaje:	wouldn't survive all of ten minutes in your golum hands, of course, to everyones great sadness. but while it stands it won't permit the idiocy.	[12:37]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942989 << hopefully to slam against head periodically, like the monk procession in ye olde days apud monthy python.	[12:39]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 23:20:36 trinque: if indeed we're scuttling piz, BingoBoingo may have the hardware I sent on bv's run as a gift.	[12:39]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942998 << sadly it didn't pan out i still believe this is probably the absolute best path for you.	[12:41]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 23:32:12 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942223 << It's been a busy day, but thank you mp for asking if I forgot to issue thanks before	[12:41]
mp_en_viaje:	good skill/personality fit to the demands, well paid in demand job, you could prolly excel at it.	[12:42]
mp_en_viaje:	if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.	[12:44]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ?	[12:49]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.	[12:49]
mp_en_viaje:	but yes, obviously w'ere losing a window. having to start from scratch years later means we're starting in a more hostile enviroment, of course the internet is closing up etc.	[12:49]
mp_en_viaje:	wasted time's never free.	[12:50]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943108 << I see your point. fwiw I'd be willing to give a chicken-finding discount once all is said and done	[13:41]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"	[13:41]
* asciilifeform	eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while	[13:54]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943068 << is person? or is mp_en_viaje, a pile of homeless irons, and a gagged asciilifeform tied to firing squad post ?	[13:58]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 09:33:28 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942134 << thinking of this, on one hand i dislike the informalism. it's not "mp will accept these back", s.nsa is an actual person, exactly as much as you are, and doesnt suddenly dissolve just because you don't particularly like the way things played out. the whole story of "oh, do X or you'll die" was, throughout, backed by exactly this backstop. this is the piper, this is how you	[13:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:53:16 asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .	[13:58]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943075 << seems like mp intends on answering this q solely from own head. ( and relatedly asciilifeform would like to establish whether asciilifeform is , in eyes of mp, a human, or a tin soldier . )	[14:01]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 09:40:42 mp_en_viaje: what value does it generate ? is it a good deal for nsa, to trade half a bitcoin for a coupla used dc machines, even leaving aside how these eminently constitute what asciilifeform knows to be called "surplus", through the process he oft described in logs of buying stuff for pennies ?	[14:01]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943080 << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ?	[14:02]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.	[14:02]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.	[14:02]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ?	[14:04]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait for everyone to get	[14:04]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours	[14:04]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943116 << it was, literally, a 2/3 scale model of u.s. wtc.	[14:04]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:28:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942706 << oh, it's one o fthose orcmiami-wannabe "tower" things, isn't it.	[14:04]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:26:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!	[14:04]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943118 << this actually happened as described. actually bloodied the 'button' hole. and had to hunt for disinfectant in the orc shops.	[14:05]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:29:13 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942709 << wait, what ?!	[14:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:27:16 asciilifeform: in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp	[14:05]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943133 << this isn't wrong at all	[14:06]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:35:25 mp_en_viaje: for instance, on basis of pizarro experience, mp currently thinks latam is a joke technologically, similarly.	[14:06]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )	[14:08]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.	[14:08]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943153 << this , so	[14:08]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:02:43 mp_en_viaje: the true disadvantage of old age is that the spring outside's never the spring you befriended, and knew.	[14:08]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em	[14:09]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?	[14:09]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.	[14:09]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943161 << how much is owed ?	[14:10]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:13:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that.	[14:10]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.	[14:10]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[14:10]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943175 << extrapolation from mp's description of argentine attourneys, in fact. could be entirely off .	[14:11]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:50 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942840 << and this suspicion is based on your never talking to any or what ?	[14:11]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:08:07 asciilifeform: mod6: orc attourneys i suspect dun charge megabux. but imho worth to find what'd cost. perhaps even 1 would work on contingency, and then only costs to feed BingoBoingo .	[14:11]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943178 << it ~could~ have resale value, and i dun particularly care ~where~ sold. this is last step of the disassembly, to be done only after the data recoveries, refunds, evacuations .	[14:12]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:24:19 mp_en_viaje: just how, HOW the fuck does the noggin work on your shoulders, dude ? you think paying a coupla grand a month for dc pipe is maxint while you think dc hardware you carried through customs at great expense and is locally irreplaceable has no resale value, you think lawyers will be cheap while you don't pay lawyers that were cheap, you think lawyers could help you but lawyers with proven track record of helping you ~screamingly~ misma	[14:12]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .	[14:14]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?	[14:14]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943186 << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?!	[14:15]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:31:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate.	[14:15]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.	[14:15]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943194 << imho it IS broken, and BingoBoingo oughta pack. for somewhere else.	[14:16]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:38:14 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.	[14:16]
asciilifeform:	if he stays there, will break also.	[14:16]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943198 << this is point. asciilifeform -- misread.	[14:16]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:41:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942860 << the ~pub~keys ?	[14:16]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:18:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.	[14:16]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ?	[14:18]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.	[14:18]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?	[14:19]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.	[14:19]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943258 << so , sack erryone, bring in these mythical 'other people' , why wait ? why mp surrounds himself with 'retarded bois' ?	[14:20]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:28:29 mp_en_viaje: first, make some real world shit work. then, MAYBE. though, honestly, i'd much rather have bitcoin work done by other people, while you spend the rest of your lives seling aluminum siding door to door and eating a machine sandwich each other day.	[14:20]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << All together 100 kg +/- 20% sounds about right	[14:21]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 08:08:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?	[14:21]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943263 << check it out, asciilifeform is 'pompous do-nothing', and not the fella on a 9mo vacation who never so much as tied shoes with own hands	[14:21]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:33:12 mp_en_viaje: check it out, the pompous donothings, here we sit like it's 2011 still and herpy derp's good enough, say two hail marys and al will work out.	[14:21]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943275 << it's a 40min drive.	[14:22]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:49:19 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943057 << what's the use of a dc that far ?	[14:22]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 00:46:55 asciilifeform: all dc in immediate 50km around asciilifeform , appear to have gone 'usg-only'.	[14:22]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943166 << The local MercadoAmaBay thing is probably going to take time but have the best chance at getting value out of servers.	[14:24]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 08:17:56 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942824 << really ?! whenever i needed something there, it was either at a premium on their local shitlist (mercado something) or else (more commonly) not even available, had to be courriered in.	[14:24]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: there, and in parallel w/ proper auction on auctionbot .	[14:24]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: It's not an auction thing. It's a classified ad thing. If we want to do both we'll probably have to auctionbot with a floor, then give them some time on OrcadoLibre, then when patience or reason runs out second auction on auctionbot is what I'm thinking.	[14:26]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: you'll go to the mercado, establish the floor for auctionbot . seems elementary.	[14:27]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943194 << If it comes to that, yes	[14:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 08:38:54 mp_en_viaje: and, ethically speaking, if this means you hafta leave uruguay, leave fucking uruguay, because ~IT IS BROKEN~.	[14:28]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: ftr i think he's right, and you gotta get out if you want to keep yer head. the radiation will getcha.	[14:29]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: eventually will come the day when the behaviour of e.g. the latech people, seems ~normal~ to BingoBoingo .	[14:29]
BingoBoingo:	But, the day to get out of Uruguay is not today, or tomorrow, or this week.	[14:30]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: but not 'next year' or there'll be no one to evacuate, BingoBoingo .	[14:31]
asciilifeform:	there'll be a BingoBoingo-shaped shell.	[14:31]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: mp for instance seems to think that asciilifeform -- already a shell. and i'm not even 100% certain that he's wrong.	[14:32]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943274 << Once the fires and tamped down, I can start a search along these lines.	[14:32]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 09:44:43 mp_en_viaje: if i had to guess, my guess as to your best course atm would be to try and find an on-site dc tech job somewhere. pretty much no matter where, just as long as it's genuine work rather than makework wank.	[14:32]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.	[14:33]
asciilifeform:	and ~there~ can look for work.	[14:34]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Picking a coordinate on a timeline spec'd with "as soon as" seems like a rush if the circumstances aren't forcing it.	[14:37]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: you'll be selling own coin to eat soon. so best not to delay.	[14:37]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: pretty interesting thread tho, aint it ? we make 2y of isp from a crumpled wad mp threw in the trash, and we're all 'autistic castrato bois'	[14:41]
BingoBoingo:	The last thing I want to do is pick a spot on the globe and go there with even less of idea of "Wat do" than was present when I picked Uruguay.	[14:42]
asciilifeform:	the BingoBoingo of 2y ago would not have said this, tho !	[14:43]
BingoBoingo:	But his description of the childhood, it seemed to hit the mark.	[14:43]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i won't repeat again, to keep up snr, but get outta there while you can. the atmosphere already eating you at the edges.	[14:43]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: 2 years ago I was in the zone. Now I am out of the zone in an area populated by one kind of tard.	[14:43]
BingoBoingo:	MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.	[14:44]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: maybe at some pt he'll turn up that shangri-la that's populated by Actual People, i.e. mp-grade, and we can all go 'slice lengthwise' .	[14:45]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: If everyone clusters in the same hole, however nice, there will still be colorrevolution tards. Them's the brakes.	[14:46]
BingoBoingo:	And speaking with other small business folks on the Monday lawyer/networking walk suggests Uruguay may see a cascaded of non-farm business failures in near future. This may or may not be an interesting watch.	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i dun expect that he'll find it tho. cuz he's trapped on this hell planet where there's 1 actual-person and 1e10 tards.	[14:48]
mp_en_viaje:	lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything.	[14:49]
mp_en_viaje:	what i need, and want, and would help plenty, would be more competent people who can AND DO solve the relevant problems.	[14:49]
mp_en_viaje:	such that for instance, when i say "well, convert your namecheap membership into an irc bot, and open it to the republic then", people don't go "omfg mp, what unthinkable thing, let me spend now 6 years '''meditating''' in my wankastery".	[14:49]
mp_en_viaje:	but you deliver it in a fortnight and then i can hang everyone who doesn't similarly, for being a wayward dick-in-hands.	[14:50]
mp_en_viaje:	and presto, solution to pantsuit websitization and accountization in hand.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: where's the gallows where you hanged all the fellas who didn't write logger in august ?	[14:51]
mp_en_viaje:	you saved them.	[14:51]
asciilifeform:	damn, i did ?!	[14:51]
mp_en_viaje:	you did.	[14:51]
* asciilifeform	didn't know.	[14:52]
mp_en_viaje:	good thing you asked then.	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	perhaps some of'em will return the favour..	[14:52]
mp_en_viaje:	well for one BingoBoingo selflessly saved everyone from having to confront the "wtf are you doing" thing for a year or two.	[14:52]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: not necessarily a win. perhaps we oughta have sank long ago.	[14:53]
mp_en_viaje:	but yes, the whole fucking concept's that perhaps pooling salvation might work.	[14:53]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, this is so.	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: ftr i dun think yer wrong, that we're all charlatans. if i knew where the 'competent people who solve problems' live, would show to mp_en_viaje , and go off to the bar where phf is working on his cirrhosis .	[14:56]
mp_en_viaje:	why does it always have to be someone else ?	[14:56]
mp_en_viaje:	don't tell me "priests", please, for love of my sides.	[14:56]
asciilifeform:	screw priests, i've a whole pope on the line here	[14:57]
mp_en_viaje:	hm ?	[14:58]
asciilifeform:	well for instance i reloaded recently into head, latin, so could read mp_en_viaje's .	[14:58]
mp_en_viaje:	and i fixed some ru verse. this is like complaining about chocolate.	[14:59]
asciilifeform:	i aint got complaint.	[14:59]
mp_en_viaje:	but im just saying, gotta stretch the mind, can't always to the same shape	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	on acct of mp_en_viaje asciilifeform learned coupla new langs.	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	incl. ones mp_en_viaje dun even use.	[15:00]
mp_en_viaje:	what, elvish ?	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	e.g. jp	[15:01]
mp_en_viaje:	ah	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: why do you think asciilifeform comes to mp_en_viaje to be beaten with ramrods ?	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	it's good for health .	[15:02]
mp_en_viaje:	yes but	[15:03]
mp_en_viaje:	just the beatign by iself ain't gonna do much.	[15:03]
diana_coman:	younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss.	[15:07]
asciilifeform:	neato diana_coman . BingoBoingo has the last-alive copy tho, if it is needed.	[15:08]
diana_coman:	fwiw the bitch was making sure I have latest mpwp because shit, hanbot's site is down, billymg's site is down and yes, I had backups of the db and www but not of all software too, sigh.	[15:09]
* asciilifeform	brb,tea	[15:10]
mp_en_viaje:	lmao	[15:14]
mp_en_viaje:	i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically	[15:17]
BingoBoingo:	On top of every lord their own isp	[15:18]
mp_en_viaje:	myeah	[15:19]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: myeah, I had the ref code page on ossasepia.com ofc of fucking course.	[15:20]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943281 << i'm reading samuel pepys. an excellent read, to wash out the shaw & other intellectual warts and clots.	[15:20]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:55:34 asciilifeform: eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while	[15:20]
mp_en_viaje:	in fact, have been using him like this for years and amusingly last night fell on passage, "Thence I after dinner to the Duke of York's playhouse, and there saw "Sir Martin Mar-all" which I have seen so often, and yet am mightily pleased with it, and think it mighty witty, and the fullest of proper matter for mirth that ever was writ and I do clearly see that they do improve in their acting of it. "	[15:21]
mp_en_viaje:	which is funny, because story in a story, look that what he says of his life's my life's usage of his.	[15:21]
diana_coman:	anyway, for now I think it won't hurt to put up a page with vpatches on younghands.club too	[15:22]
diana_coman:	mirroring ftw	[15:22]
mp_en_viaje:	yeah.	[15:23]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943287 << it's possible, it's possible. consider the value of your unpublished sex tape. as such, can be done by exactly one at a time -- if you're not in it, it's not your sex tape.	[15:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:03:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943080 << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ?	[15:28]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 09:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942651 << this is a thing we considered before even. the fundamental problem with it is that it's phd-assemblyline essentially, the work is worth 10 bux an hour but can only be done by like... one guy in the werld. i think it rather a pitfall.	[15:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:36:01 diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.	[15:28]
mp_en_viaje:	however, sex tapes are worth minwage, and only because that's what minwage means (in socialism), the arbitrary value of hour of sweat	[15:29]
mp_en_viaje:	(its value, incidentally, is positive also because of the market effect -- if retard was there doing that therefore was not somewhere else doing something else, and the value of the spurious man not hindering the actual humans is positive always.	[15:30]
mp_en_viaje:	in this sense, minimum wage is a substitute for the capital cost of having the moron shot.	[15:30]
mp_en_viaje:	now, to continue the analogy -- certain people prefer certain people's sex tapes, very drastically, in that will buy no others.	[15:32]
mp_en_viaje:	but the market still is what the market is -- unless you can convince ~a whole group~ to apply the above algo, you've got nothing. hence the importance of outreach.	[15:33]
mp_en_viaje:	which sums up to, there are TWO key ingredients in getting paid. work that not many can do ~and that many want~.	[15:34]
mp_en_viaje:	work that not many can do that not many want is exactly the stupid girl trap. alf's highly dramatized whinings about tin soldiers aside, i'd very much like to protect my household, however construed, from such wasteful fate.	[15:35]
mp_en_viaje:	which is both why a) my girls, while required to perfrom ~just as well as whores~ nevertheless aren't on sale with the other whores and b) i don't see the wisdom in trained-monkey-alf-business.	[15:36]
mp_en_viaje:	consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?	[15:43]
mp_en_viaje:	if then million people want your hand-made linzer torte / apfelstrudel / whatever, what do you do ?	[15:43]
mp_en_viaje:	all the strudel in austria and bavaria was SHAITE incomprehensible. it was called that, it came from there, it was not worth the eating.	[15:44]
mp_en_viaje:	because obviously, how the fuck are they gonna mass-market the definitive lordly product, strudel existed back in the day when the consumers were few, not many.	[15:44]
mp_en_viaje:	takes a lot of actual work to make properly, who's gonna do it	[15:45]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943290 << well, i nearly did with the one with a gpg key.	[15:46]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:04:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943101 << the heathen dc q imho resolves to 'best horses in glue factory'. so far seems 100% tards. nao, which tard do you want to do biz with ?	[15:46]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:07:57 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942670 << because http://trilema.com/2011/webfactor-procedurile-si-idiotenia/ and because many numerous such detailed in detail back when i wrote in romanian. things might've changed in the intervening years, though i do not have any faith in the tards. seems the only true capacity of the romanian is for the above "ima just sit here doing what i'm doing and wait for everyone to get	[15:46]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:47:50 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours	[15:46]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943433 << asciilifeform said exactly this to diana_coman .	[15:49]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 15:43:27 mp_en_viaje: consider also that, as far as anyone knew, working pizarro was ~only avenue of resolving the "by large group" issue. yes, if pizarro became 2020s digitalocean, then surely the demand on alf-sealed hw would have become such that alf... what ?	[15:49]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 19:37:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'd happily sell. but who to buy...	[15:50]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943301 << you know who did a lot of thinking ? Karl Philipp, Fürst zu Schwarzenberg. alledgedly, at least to hear the austrians, this dood did a whole lotta thinking. so much and so hard he thought, he even had a special thinkery where he hand-picked other thinkers to supplement the thinkers the kaisrin provided out of her own tinkerbands.	[15:50]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )	[15:50]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:45:07 mp_en_viaje: rather than "it's something in the water" etc. the wankasteries are built by overgrown bois who were permitted to live as uninterruptedly as they pleased, age 4.5 to 7ish.	[15:50]
mp_en_viaje:	so much fucking thinking these people did, the whole empire ended as a going concern, and germany was made arounf austria.	[15:50]
mp_en_viaje:	now fucking spare me with "intellectual work" of the ilk and on the level of "noli turbare circulos meos!!1"	[15:52]
mp_en_viaje:	it got archimedes killed, you know ?	[15:52]
asciilifeform:	archimedes was already dead man when his wunderwaffen fizzled.	[15:53]
mp_en_viaje:	not so.	[15:53]
mp_en_viaje:	lotta whores survived charles in veneto.	[15:53]
asciilifeform:	i mean, walking-dead	[15:53]
mp_en_viaje:	and, consider even : he spoke LATIN! wasn't even his native lang, he had the wherewithal to address the roman in his own tongue	[15:54]
mp_en_viaje:	just... knew not what to say.	[15:54]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: what he oughta have said ? what was there to say ?	[15:55]
mp_en_viaje:	there's nothign "to say" in general and from outside like you propose.	[15:55]
asciilifeform:	why talk to -- death ? schrodinger by all rights oughta have been nailed when he went to lick hitler's boot, would've served him right.	[15:56]
mp_en_viaje:	there's not "the thing to say to girls, volume X"	[15:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-09-29 20:55:50 asciilifeform: many of'em had a distintly la delle flavour. but for archaeologist not entirely uninteresting .	[15:58]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, there was no ideological difference at work there. the schroedinger case is irrelevant (and, rather, herr s should have been hanged not when went to hitler, but when failed to say "yes i live with two women, so should you, shut it"	[15:59]
mp_en_viaje:	by comparison to that poltroonism, errything else peanuts.	[15:59]
asciilifeform:	depending on who's to be believed, hitler was fucking 2-3 inpatients.	[16:00]
asciilifeform:	eva + the secretutes.	[16:00]
mp_en_viaje:	i don't expect he was fucking anyone really. but, hey, diff it makes.	[16:02]
asciilifeform:	per the teachings of mp_en_viaje's , as i understand it makes diff, 'aint a man unless harem' neh	[16:02]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943305 << yes, well, can also weigh when putting in, no need to kill anyone to weigh spleen.	[16:03]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:10:12 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943154 << errything i personally carried summed to 100kg (and in fact weighed.) but no i did not order BB to disconnect the installed customers so that i could weigh'em	[16:03]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:08:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942779 << what sorta weight did you have there after all ? in excess of 100kgs is it ?	[16:03]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:06:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.	[16:03]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, we're here living under impression hitler was all that much of man ?	[16:03]
asciilifeform:	asciilifeform is not equipped to answer.	[16:03]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943308 << i didn't actually review these, but wasn't it half a coin that pizarro owed nsa, as a convertible bond nsa never converted ?	[16:04]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:10:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943161 << how much is owed ?	[16:04]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:13:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942801 << fwir pizarro is solvent, so nsa needn't have any say, it'll be paid what's owed and that's that.	[16:04]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 20:37:02 asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.	[16:04]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[16:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: we'll review the logs half a coin -- then half a coin.	[16:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: to be paid as coin, or as mp_en_viaje chooses, e.g. coin and FGs, etc.	[16:05]
asciilifeform:	( half-a-coin seems low, i thought was moar actually )	[16:05]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943317 << looky, among other things that dood did, was invent a whole new category of greencard for chet when i needed it. it involved suing the ro govt successfully, undder my management yes but he did the courtroom litigation and managed all the prepwork for it himself the end product was an item NOBODY ELSE, in the whole world ever had, a unique artefact of a permanent, court-or	[16:06]
mp_en_viaje:	dered green card (all others have expiration date).	[16:06]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:14:55 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .	[16:06]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:22:37 mp_en_viaje: i seem to recall this other attorney that didn't charge megabux (in fact, like a hundy or so per month) that i've surprise-discovered in your wake and on which you've been owin me for like a year now. i'm starting to think it'll get discharged "for cost of postage" also, just as soon as i'm ready ?	[16:06]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i believe !	[16:06]
mp_en_viaje:	and, for that matter, to this very day i hold ro id issues by ~the county~ of timis all others, in all history, issued by ~a city~.	[16:06]
mp_en_viaje:	and so on.	[16:06]
mp_en_viaje:	if you lease champion stallion and fail to make it across the river on its back, it is not going to retrospectively anull the animals' achievements.	[16:07]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: if you told me he's the man who got o. j. simpson to walk from electric chair, i'd also believe. but gpg -- he had 0 idea about.	[16:07]
mp_en_viaje:	i described the adventures of some girl who had no idea about public nudity last week, i think.	[16:07]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: It's 0.9 Pizarro owes S.NSA http://archive.is/wQWcU	[16:08]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, was a .4 from prior to the .5 indeed ?	[16:08]
mp_en_viaje:	i had vague memory of this.	[16:09]
asciilifeform:	i also, hence 'half sounds low'	[16:09]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Will have to dig deeper. I plan to to the full notes and accounting autopsy this weekend. ATM preparing the shared customer backups for uploading to deedbot.	[16:09]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, aite. no real ememrgency with the paperwork, ended up being discussed because alf being ridiculous, don't take his squirmings in all directions as some kind of "omg, now mp desperately needs accounts".	[16:10]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: ty	[16:10]
mp_en_viaje:	i don't fucking need your latest accounts to hit his head against the rock, so put them out when they come.	[16:10]
mp_en_viaje:	otherwise, if you two(/three, whatevs) decide you absolutely not want to sell boxes locally (preferably after having considered the matter, rather than some inept guesswork in the blind), sna can take gear in lieu of cash, but not at arbitrary rates of nonsense.	[16:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i've no opposition to sale of gear to locals, to martians, to trump, wherever. 1st would have to find out who wants to keep his gear tho, and who -- instead jettison, and ask for coin (and if so at what weight of coin to gear.)	[16:12]
mp_en_viaje:	the only reason i'd prefer not to is that it'll then go on the nsa books and the reason i don't really want to do THAT is not that it costs me anything to keep copy/pasting a line over the however many reports	[16:12]
mp_en_viaje:	but the full expectation that it'll just sit there as an elevator button for alf to cut his arm into later, where he won't have them or who the fuck knows what happens.	[16:12]
mp_en_viaje:	but that protective conservatism is ~all my concern in the matter.	[16:12]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, well here discussed were pizarro owned items.	[16:13]
mp_en_viaje:	you're not held to do marketing for other people's colocated gear, returning that's a-ok.	[16:13]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: any gear we buy back as snsa by all rights gotta return to asciilifeform's torture chamber rack, at least until there's where else. that way no 'wont have or who thefuck knows' neh.	[16:13]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, ideally.	[16:14]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje already well made the point that he didnt sign up to warehouse anyffin.	[16:14]
mp_en_viaje:	actally, i had a crate of something or the other at some point, heh. or multiple.	[16:14]
asciilifeform:	indeed mp_en_viaje has crate ( arm boxen )	[16:15]
mp_en_viaje:	pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ?	[16:15]
asciilifeform:	funnily enuff i also nao do	[16:15]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: iirc you have 20 'pogo' . ( not aware of other 'detritus' )	[16:15]
asciilifeform:	unless to count a 2013 prototype rng, the size of postage stamp.	[16:16]
mp_en_viaje:	i dun feel like looking through inv bills rightnao.	[16:16]
mp_en_viaje:	nah	[16:16]
* asciilifeform	pictures inv bill for storage of 1x1cm rng	[16:16]
mp_en_viaje:	well, the problem is, if you ever want to get it back out, you'd better knwo where the fuck to get it back out of. so, yes.	[16:17]
asciilifeform:	this indeed so	[16:17]
mp_en_viaje:	(bill here means, list, not invoice)	[16:17]
mp_en_viaje:	like ladding bill for ships.	[16:17]
* asciilifeform	took this to near-pathological extent, still in fact has all of the parts for attempt at pick-n-place machine etc	[16:17]
mp_en_viaje:	i don't invoive myself for my own basement just yet	[16:17]
asciilifeform:	( even tho mp_en_viaje already wrote'em off . might need'em ! )	[16:17]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, i recall at some point you were gonna make and publish an inventory of your kunstkammer	[16:18]
mp_en_viaje:	back when sterile discussion that came to nothing re adding a hardware trade shop to pizarro was going, maybe early 2018	[16:18]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i've been getting rid of the obv. dross , 1st..	[16:19]
mp_en_viaje:	how did that die, anyway ? might've paid enough to permit bb to stay, if ever actually started as opposed to talked about	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: died when discovered that to get even m3 screws into fuckingmonkeystan takes a courier with suitcases	[16:19]
mp_en_viaje:	but ~same is true of everyone else neh	[16:19]
asciilifeform:	not north idiotistan	[16:20]
mp_en_viaje:	but people in uy who buy things, have to buy from someone who did ^	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	i get whatevers from moscow, pekin, berlin, in <4days.	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	0 tax.	[16:20]
mp_en_viaje:	you werent going to sell to ~you~, so lay off a second.	[16:20]
asciilifeform:	tru	[16:20]
mp_en_viaje:	pedro pococitos of cerito has to buy from someone who brought shit to cerito, he dun go t oberlin.	[16:21]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, you recall ^ ?	[16:21]
* asciilifeform	cannot categorically say 'impossible to make moneys smuggling comps into fuckholistan' but prolly possible for suitcase man who knows how to get >100kg in for 2k $ trip, rather than <100	[16:22]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943319 << yes, it will likely be cheaper to pay for empty rack until may than to pay a lawyer+court assemblage to officially declare you don't have to.	[16:22]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:15:54 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943186 << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?!	[16:22]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:31:05 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942846 << if that's what you wanna do, it's much likelier to be cheaper to pay than to litigate.	[16:22]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:11:45 asciilifeform: mod6: since BingoBoingo apparently wishes to stay in uruguayistan, gotta cleanly nuke the contract.	[16:22]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Contract only runs to feb 1st	[16:23]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i suspect that you'll turn out to be right, which is why BingoBoingo you gotta pack yer suitcases	[16:23]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, yes dude, all life's possible for they who know how to live. a life of eating bugs is possible for frog, a life of eating shoots is possible to the deer, at the end of the day you're to come with some kind of life you can live or else join the foliage.	[16:23]
asciilifeform:	at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ?	[16:23]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: errybody joins the foliage at some pt.	[16:24]
asciilifeform:	imho the most valuable surviving component of piz is BingoBoingo , and would suck x9000 to lose him to the black hole.	[16:26]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: And yet I don't want to end up in deeper black hole for prematurely landing at some other spot on globe.	[16:27]
asciilifeform:	irons, can make again, anyone can make, but where they make new BingoBoingo ?	[16:27]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:02:39 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em.	[16:27]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: it took asciilifeform 25y to turn into sea anemone , but you seem to be eager to break record, and do it in 2y ?!	[16:29]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Where to next if anywhere is background question versus the immediate concern of cleaning up the Pizarro remains.	[16:31]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: aite, i'ma lay off until reactor's quenched. but the q of where goes BingoBoingo aint 100% irrelevant to the quench process.	[16:31]
asciilifeform:	as mp_en_viaje pointed out.	[16:31]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i'ma also lay off 'tin soldiering' BingoBoingo , he's an a++ meat soldier and seems to be handling the evacuation 100% properly with own head.	[16:32]
diana_coman:	if anyone needs them, the mpwp V tree is live on younghands.club	[16:35]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943512 << nao i'm wondering whether 'pogos' somehow breed... the suitcase was <4 sq.ft.	[16:35]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 16:15:10 mp_en_viaje: pretty sure i currently have over 10sqft of storage taken up by assorted nsa/etc detritus in cr as it stands, maybe a buncha pogos ?	[16:35]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943548 << what "nao" ? i'm asking him retrospectively, so as to try an' make sure no droplet of experience elixir he fucking paid for gets lost on the sands.	[16:42]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 13:24:39 asciilifeform: at this pt the retardation of uruguay seems to be a bottomless blackn hole. if we couldn't fill it then, why to think that can fill it nao ?	[16:42]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: re other-people's gear -- aint exactly, as you suggested, 'interchangeable sex tape that can be made with any tard', see e.g. 1, 2 .	[16:42]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 21:38:21 asciilifeform: diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space.	[16:42]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 23:21:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: here is how FGs went in machine, if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.)	[16:42]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, i suspect you're missing the finer point here.	[16:43]
asciilifeform:	aint 'phd' either. but not quite 'buy from any flea market, wtf, phd assembly line, derp'	[16:43]
mp_en_viaje:	yes, angela mcspeshulface's sex tape can only be made by angela mcspeshulface.	[16:43]
asciilifeform:	but for what need angela, monica worx same ?	[16:44]
mp_en_viaje:	and yes, people who are into her face can only be satisfied by her	[16:44]
mp_en_viaje:	but because they who are so requiring ARE FEW, the aggregating effects of mass market STILL apply.	[16:44]
* BingoBoingo	gets that a point that seems to be datacenter tech'ing is the one of the few things for which Republic needs meat soldier	[16:44]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: indeed they do	[16:44]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, wasn't what i was saying here.	[16:44]
mp_en_viaje:	i think ~for you, personally~, such as you are and irrespective of outside considerations, dc tech may be the best career path.	[16:45]
BingoBoingo:	ah	[16:45]
mp_en_viaje:	i can go into detail if you wish	[16:45]
asciilifeform:	it beats rabbit farming , imho	[16:45]
BingoBoingo:	If you go into detail I will appreciate and read.	[16:45]
mp_en_viaje:	alright, let's see.	[16:45]
mp_en_viaje:	the difference between dc tech and barrista is that dc tech MUST show up EVERY TIME. can't hit the snooze. is rather like surgeon in this respect. this -- you do.	[16:46]
mp_en_viaje:	the difference between dc tech and oncologist is that what dc tech must know is 1/100 the volume. very similar sort of inexpressible minutia, but not requires 15+ years of direct practice. bright student can catch up in 6 to 9 mo	[16:47]
mp_en_viaje:	the difference between dc tech and platoonleader is that dc tech need not situational awareness, possibly your weakest spot. has a boss, who tells him exactly what to do EACH time all the time no exceptions forever.	[16:48]
mp_en_viaje:	these for the positive. for the negative, you managed to live in dc without hamhandling any cables / runing things with hooves / etc.	[16:49]
mp_en_viaje:	this is pretty much the whole bar. i can think of no other professional line where this particular mix of dedication, greenishness and blindsidedness is equally adequate. and certainly of no better paying one.	[16:49]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Thank you	[16:52]
mp_en_viaje:	the only other similar thing is trucking, but imo that's poison for you, because too many people do it so it's been well colonized by specific preditors that are effectual enough.	[16:52]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: gotta ask, why couldn't he, e.g. fix motorcycles ? also work for good hands, and unlike salaried tech ( asciilifeform did a 2y+ tour of duty as just-this when was starving ) open-ended vol. of biz	[16:53]
mp_en_viaje:	because he'll make some idiot friends and start doing stupid shit instead.	[16:54]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Motorcycles are a dying niche on the high end. Low end is all products of india.	[16:54]
BingoBoingo:	Also that	[16:54]
asciilifeform:	but won't make idjit friends in a dc ?	[16:54]
mp_en_viaje:	won't make any, i don't expect.	[16:54]
* asciilifeform	pictures BingoBoingo conscripted into latech	[16:54]
mp_en_viaje:	the ONE important thing is to latch on a dc that's run by a guy, quite like that mivo dude, and not by a retarded ugiistanism, "corporation"	[16:55]
asciilifeform:	btw is it known that maxim of mivo actually runs the dc ?	[16:55]
mp_en_viaje:	makes little diff, just the personality signature's right. like that douchebag dood or w/e, if trinque ran a dc i'd pack you tonight.	[16:55]
asciilifeform:	re 'run by a guy' -- these dun seem to exist in uy	[16:56]
mp_en_viaje:	well, if they did was his job to find on your/my dime prior, in any case.	[16:56]
asciilifeform:	it was !	[16:56]
asciilifeform:	fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter	[16:57]
mp_en_viaje:	i believe.	[16:57]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: By all appearances Latecho can't pay Uruguayos, and I did make their surviving sales and telecom managers pale this week. Guy seems to have gone oldgendered coverting Latecho to low investment netflix box pension	[16:57]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i strongly suspect that that dc got 'colour revolution'-d but this not directly pertinent to thrd.	[16:58]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje has strong point.	[17:04]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje has sold me that datacenter tech is probably best career for me as I am today. Next obstacle is does any datacenter have the brains to take mp_en_viaje's recommendation with the necessary gravity.	[17:04]
asciilifeform:	but afaik, you can't do this in uy.	[17:04]
mp_en_viaje:	in any case, i can appreciate your wanting to stay, but it is possible uruguay not very good spot for you. could alternatively build that list of ixp's, start emailing cvs to all of them asking for employment. if get one, just tell the girl to come, odds are she will.	[17:04]
mp_en_viaje:	vancouver is cold, but the pay's also better than whatever uruguay has to offer. rents&cost of living also higher, but odds are she doesn't comprehend that.	[17:05]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Right. asciilifeform: The place to be emailing ISPs would be Uruguay or WTF? Imma pack twice?	[17:05]
BingoBoingo:	IXPs	[17:05]
mp_en_viaje:	you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment	[17:05]
asciilifeform:	afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it	[17:06]
mp_en_viaje:	can also be frank with them, "look, i came to uy to get isp going, worked ok for 3 years, dc died from under us, i got a girl and must relocate asap"	[17:06]
mp_en_viaje:	you'll get a lowball offer which you take and then pivot later.	[17:07]
BingoBoingo:	ty	[17:07]
BingoBoingo:	<mp_en_viaje> you can mail from your current chair, what's the impediment << Just trying to squash the earlier "evac nao" hysterics	[17:07]
mp_en_viaje:	"fuck you guise, im otta here" is for the sort of mobster-looking dude with a 10k usd brick in a steel clip in his pocket and iron packing escort grinning from over his shoulders.	[17:08]
mp_en_viaje:	you'd better plan your jumps.	[17:08]
BingoBoingo:	Indeed	[17:09]
mp_en_viaje:	unless your style is "go to that store, bring me one of everything", "get in the car, we're going" isn't the way to go.	[17:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: possibly asciilifeform has simplistic model of BingoBoingo -- i.e. ' BingoBoingo -- parachutist. what's a 2nd, 3rd, ..., jump, to parachutist !'	[17:11]
mp_en_viaje:	let's call it simplistic and leave it at that.	[17:13]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943410 << before this escapes -- imho this is Right Thing	[17:14]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 15:17:51 mp_en_viaje: i guess we're gonna have to get a "all v-trees everywhere" program going systematically	[17:14]
mp_en_viaje:	(to clarify : build ipx list, because it lists live active dc/isp operatoons. you're not likely to get to work for the ixp directly as these are usually ~foundations, nonprofits)	[17:14]
BingoBoingo:	Working parachutist generally doesn't jump without some sorta plan.	[17:14]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Right, gotta map the space and then fire the marketing payload.	[17:16]
mp_en_viaje:	right.	[17:16]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: didn't propose 'spin globe randomly' but approx what mp_en_viaje in fact gave .	[17:16]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 14:33:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.	[17:16]
mp_en_viaje:	amusingly, a very remedial sort of exercise anyway.	[17:16]
BingoBoingo:	lol, right	[17:17]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers	[17:18]
mp_en_viaje:	~similar to deed thing	[17:18]
mp_en_viaje:	but you know, first, gotta see lobbes mp-wp combo, THEN	[17:18]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943328 << it failed to live, is its whole problem. it was made to live, stayed wooden.	[17:20]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:19:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ?	[17:20]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:09:35 mp_en_viaje: attempts to re-approach this without addressing the central fucking problem will result in what pantsuitism always results in -- ima fucking cut the involved heads and move on.	[17:20]
mp_en_viaje:	all things that do this will eventually be garbage collected, because wtf, we'll just drown in figurines otherwise.	[17:23]
mp_en_viaje:	if it ain't growing, it's reaperfodder.	[17:24]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943635 << so happens that this very thing was asciilifeform's just about last request to phf . ( never birthed, tho )	[17:24]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 17:18:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, prolly will have to be an extension of logger bots, where they also act as vpatch registrers	[17:24]
mp_en_viaje:	it'll get done, just, you know, in 2026 by currnet schendulling	[17:25]
asciilifeform:	like the logger!111	[17:25]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943330 << my problems right now is that while we diddledaddled at "isp", the world changed. i dunno if you understand this or not, observe if yourself or not, but it doesn't fucking matter.	[17:27]
mp_en_viaje:	people, generally, ineptly failing to make ~good~ websites back in 2001 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by "platforms". foss retards failing to make useful software back in 2006 meant, necessarily, that the space'll eventually be taken up by ubuntus. similarly with dcs, the "vibrant market" for many independent people's boxes is being eaten by netflix in the wake of googleamazon ops, and has been.	[17:27]
mp_en_viaje:	if we	[17:27]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:20:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?	[17:27]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:25:43 mp_en_viaje: go, why not, retrace old ground, maybe you could start work on re-writing a lisp interpreter also. or who knows. something impractical in any case.	[17:27]
mp_en_viaje:	wait for long enough, there will not be any fucking place to isp at, either.	[17:27]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: yer right tho	[17:28]
mp_en_viaje:	because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage	[17:28]
mp_en_viaje:	and when that happens, the field's fucked. permanently.	[17:28]
asciilifeform:	!o s good cakes are	[17:28]
ossabot:	6 results for "good cakes are" in #trilema	[17:28]
mp_en_viaje:	entrenching resistence to this only works if yo uwork it -- there's eg excellent cheese available today (but only in yurp -- and trump banned, also, as part and parcel of PRACTICAL governance, because the wal doesn't matter but the fact ustards have ~noyhing to offer in counterparty for the fine euro cheese DOES matter)	[17:29]
mp_en_viaje:	there exist good cheeses now because (mostly french) many anon farmers produced the structure to protect them.	[17:29]
mp_en_viaje:	this wasn't A LOT of work, nor that hard to do. but it HAD TO BE DONE.	[17:29]
mp_en_viaje:	there's not going to be eg computing, because "intelligent" bois of 0 value aren't any match for 1970s french farmers.	[17:30]
mp_en_viaje:	i'm not making this shit up because i hate you. it's pre-made, and waiting.	[17:30]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were.	[17:30]
mp_en_viaje:	so no, i couldn't give less of a shit as things stand right now if ffa is "properly completed" or not nor if "more material" is made available as unqualified scribbles on trb code.	[17:31]
mp_en_viaje:	what i give a shit about is the things i keep yelling about.	[17:31]
mp_en_viaje:	again -- not because i hate you, but because things are what they are.	[17:31]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear.	[17:32]
mp_en_viaje:	this is not correct summary.	[17:32]
mp_en_viaje:	correct summary was, "alf thought he came up with solution that avoids work mp pointed out to not do that alf tried to avoid work while doing thing closer to actual solution, and succeeded -- at avoiding work"	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	there's no way to avoid work.	[17:33]
mp_en_viaje:	no amount of "we finely carved this clump of gpg wood" will substitute for a single grain of "we did the outreach".	[17:34]
asciilifeform:	'дурная голова --c рукам работа'	[17:34]
asciilifeform:	* рукам работа	[17:34]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943654 << For all the 80's/90's Ruh Ruh USA!!! wank I grew on on... Things seem indistinguishable from a world where the soviets wom.	[17:35]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 14:28:55 mp_en_viaje: because this is what the socialist golum does : at first it is taken aback by new open field, "who knows, this could be ANYTHING". but then it starts weighing, and soon enough discovers a 1-2% cut of the field which "satisfies" 80% or so of the usage	[17:35]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: no amt of spring does anyffin w/out ratchet. or ratchet, w/out spring.	[17:35]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, well, because they did. socialist reinterpretation of capitalism is still socialist.	[17:35]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, sure, but atm we have plenty of springs.	[17:35]
asciilifeform:	atm yes. cuz asciilifeform , 'idiot, wasted time', dug the ore an' forged them springs.	[17:36]
mp_en_viaje:	no, that part is fine.	[17:36]
mp_en_viaje:	the not fine part is -- asciilifeform idiot, instead of loading sprins on truck, let truck leave empty, spent time digging more ore.	[17:36]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: 'spring' does need the keccak tho. then can actually rsapad.	[17:37]
mp_en_viaje:	i get it, you enjoy that part. nevertheless, you can't cook me a 2nd breakfast instead of serving me the first because you enjoy cooking more than serving.	[17:37]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho.	[17:37]
mp_en_viaje:	let me be the judge of that.	[17:37]
* BingoBoingo	has shared server backups loading up to trinquebox. About to prepare for hardware recovery mission.	[17:38]
mp_en_viaje:	isn't it fun, actually doing something rather than sitting twiddling thumbs worrying...	[17:38]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: It's a stress, but as I'm sure I mentioned before... a productive stress. Beats the hell out of persistent stagnant dread-stress.	[17:39]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: fwiw lotsa folx in june '41 said also this.	[17:40]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: In a world where no one is shooting at Google, this may just as well be a more desperate situation than June '41 with respect to shaping the future.	[17:42]
BingoBoingo:	The Chinese hadn't even gone through their backyard furnace experiment yet	[17:43]
BingoBoingo:	Today, Germany sits driving Europe despite 1939-1945 playing out as they did.	[17:44]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: germany got its 'win via separate-peace w/ usa' after all. just took half century, vs. himmler's desired 2weeks.	[17:48]
BingoBoingo:	Today for two years having passed since the 2017 state of necessity was declared... mp_en_viaje's evalution that for the time passing, the future of the internet seems darker... I can't dispute it.	[17:49]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what.	[17:50]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: The thing is... The old one is being consumed.	[17:51]
asciilifeform:	it is.	[17:51]
asciilifeform:	aint much left of it, tbh.	[17:51]
asciilifeform:	i suspect that mp_en_viaje will yet have occasion to say 'thank you' to asciilifeform for having 'wasted time' discovering how to undetectably and reliably shortwave.	[17:52]
asciilifeform:	( which -- did. but that's story for another time )	[17:53]
asciilifeform:	[insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ]	[17:55]
mp_en_viaje:	just as soon as we get enough aluminum siding salesmen together to actually make something of it.	[17:55]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you have entirely fair point, 'gun that no one aims an' pulls trigger on dun fight'	[17:56]
mp_en_viaje:	myeah.	[17:57]
mp_en_viaje:	meanwhile i have the serious problem that my girls, who didn't feel "the need" to produce any articles for week upon week UPON WEEK of pizarro working fine, now have major backlogs that can't get published	[17:59]
mp_en_viaje:	considering the beatings it took, them as apparently everyone else, human retardation is fucking insuperable, to start doing this at all, i can't imagine anything more fucking annoying.	[17:59]
mp_en_viaje:	wtf am i gonna do here /	[17:59]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i was wundering where newton's royalsociety thing went..	[17:59]
mp_en_viaje:	it's just...	[18:00]
mp_en_viaje:	either way whichever direction i turn, nothing but smooth wall of self-supporting "humans are imbeciles, born imbeciles, will stay imbeciles, fuck you mp". what should i do, ~temporary~ arrangement ? so the imbecile within can be "oh, so much trouble to keep moving this, let's not write" ?	[18:02]
mp_en_viaje:	or what the fuck exactly. god damn it i'm sick of the permanent precise well-oiled functioning of the idiocy machine.	[18:03]
mp_en_viaje:	or what, "hey, instead of sucking my toes & finding whores / palaces to hang out with, i'll pay for hotel rooms so you can sit and nerd out, find new hosts, install mp-wps, all that" ?	[18:04]
mp_en_viaje:	or maybe, "you know what, write offline, just don't publish".	[18:04]
mp_en_viaje:	so many excellent solutions delivering in the end nothing but an entrenchment of some kind of the exact thing i was trying to stamp out in the first place.	[18:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: for some reason i thought you had'em write into a queue always	[18:05]
mp_en_viaje:	nope.	[18:05]
mp_en_viaje:	on the exact contrary.	[18:05]
* asciilifeform	's father made him do it when was small .	[18:05]
mp_en_viaje:	and i had you & all also quit with the fucking queues. because they're stupid.	[18:05]
asciilifeform:	i'm still not 100% convinced that it was stupid. even if erryone is too weak.	[18:07]
mp_en_viaje:	is there some way the orig pizarro shared blog box can be mirrored ?	[18:07]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: there is ! i.e. get heathen machine, and unroll the backup to it.	[18:08]
asciilifeform:	alternatively colo hole and the actual uy1 to be placed there. ( but this latter, slower )	[18:08]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Every shared hosting customer's home directory and databases are being uploaded to trinque's deedbot box now as gpg encrypted tarballs.	[18:09]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i think he's asking re 'when the fuck can thewhet et al be standing again asap'	[18:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje already knows that we have backups.	[18:09]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, im thinking of just getting a machine	[18:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: it doesn't even need to be unusually heavy machine	[18:10]
mp_en_viaje:	yeah, and ima ask people to ad-hoc isp for me now. god damned it.	[18:10]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje Aite. I've not yet shredded the pre-GPG'd backups anticipating the possibility of such an ask.	[18:10]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, ty, hold on to them a little bit.	[18:10]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Will do.	[18:11]
mp_en_viaje:	if anyone turns up a host they wanna try, getting this up for me together with a promise to cleanly move it if/when you move gets me to pay for your first 3 mo service.	[18:11]
* asciilifeform	in talks with a bmore machine park, not expecting massive win. but possibly can house sumthing at sumthing resembling a human price.	[18:11]
mp_en_viaje:	ideally the next few days, also, dun want this in 2020.	[18:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: didja know there are 0 in washingtonistan ?!	[18:12]
mp_en_viaje:	yes.	[18:12]
asciilifeform:	such that take humans.	[18:12]
* asciilifeform	did not know. 2y ago there still were..	[18:12]
mp_en_viaje:	yeah well. hence the earlier talk of darkening.	[18:12]
asciilifeform:	verily it is so.	[18:12]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, what sort of weight are we talking here ?	[18:13]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: I will weight the hole orchestra, but one of the supermicroservers came in at just under 15kg on the scale.	[18:15]
* asciilifeform	raging atm re the apparent depth of the bmore tards' retardation, but will elaborate later	[18:15]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, nono i mean re the shared server	[18:15]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: all tarballed up just under 14 GB, before tarballing ~35-ish	[18:16]
mp_en_viaje:	aite, wouldja mind as part of pizarro continuancy plan getting a shared server ~anywhere online, and bringing the piz shared back online ?	[18:18]
mp_en_viaje:	it really doesn't matter so much where as it matters getting this back online already, it's just too crippling every which way	[18:18]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Aite, with all this stuff offline I've been feeling like an amputee too.	[18:20]
* asciilifeform	got call w/ bmoreistan scheduled for 1.5h from nao, to haggle.	[18:20]
mp_en_viaje:	aite.	[18:20]
* asciilifeform	also in favour of mp_en_viaje's 'rebuild uy1' idea , it is smart.	[18:21]
asciilifeform:	imho e.g. bmore is only good (IF at all usable) for physical boxen to live, where asciilifeform can pasture'em with own hands would have to be barking mad to ~lease~ a box there	[18:22]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?	[18:23]
mp_en_viaje:	no ? i even said http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942301	[18:26]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:28:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942040 << to be clear, i'm not against this or anything. it doesn't solve my problem, but that doesn't mean it can't solve anyone else's.	[18:26]
asciilifeform:	aite. cuz i suspect it's 'moldavia all the way down'.	[18:27]
mp_en_viaje:	all that orc's refusal to humanity does is put a human atop him in a saddle is all.	[18:32]
mp_en_viaje:	i imagine plenty of horses were in fact produced through the process of 6yo boy "you have to brush teeth, go to school, practice curves" "hell no i won't go"	[18:33]
* BingoBoingo	would much prefer not to be in this species of saddle again	[18:33]
mp_en_viaje:	a boy that's no good might as well be made a horse.	[18:33]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i dun think there's any way to avoid riding'em	[18:33]
asciilifeform:	1 horse shot out from under human, gotta get another.	[18:33]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, the last time this preference against riding worked out was https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg	[18:34]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Aite	[18:35]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: I do not want to end up in the saddle of another ad-hoc'd together Pizarro indefinitely dependent on a single orc or golem being ridden until they exhaust.	[18:36]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: we'll be ridin' them horsies. cuz aint got shortwave net yet.	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	and ideally yes, not glued to 1 horse again.	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	cuz that was -- mistake .	[18:37]
asciilifeform:	the correct way to do ~errything is the way how we did the logger.	[18:38]
BingoBoingo:	Except still more distributed and MARKETED\	[18:38]
mp_en_viaje:	theres a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin	[18:39]
asciilifeform:	marketed, or even 'uci'-d .	[18:39]
BingoBoingo:	<mp_en_viaje> theres a reason horses are saddled not stitched to rider's groin << This is rather what Pizarro felt like. I have no intention of getting sewn to a working beast of burden again. I can try riding, but I'd rather not get SEWN because "you're already on the ground and we all got bored/spawned/bumbled etc."	[18:42]
mp_en_viaje:	i can see it.	[18:42]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: MARKETED because otherwise no matter how clean and sanitary, without marketing its jsut us derping in a small clean room about how clean it is while AmaGoogFlix eats all!	[18:43]
BingoBoingo:	Even a uci would need marketed	[18:44]
BingoBoingo:	If all we are is clean we're just compulsively grooming in a population sink experiment	[18:44]
diana_coman:	fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep just yest I had to ask again for the same thing I had previously asked	[18:45]
diana_coman:	so need a serious whip too or on-repeat	[18:45]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, you got anyone shortlisted you wanna try ?	[18:48]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: so far sadly none that I want to try at all and yes, I've been looking & talking to idiots precisely because I need my blog back online already	[18:49]
mp_en_viaje:	aha	[18:49]
diana_coman:	I've recovered and parked younghands still in Chisinau because I can't keep those guys in #o doing nothing, it's worse enough as it is	[18:50]
diana_coman:	but I won't put my blog there too, just no.	[18:50]
* BingoBoingo	headed out the door finally with the wheels after very IRC/Log heavy start to the day	[18:52]
diana_coman:	the dc around here are just about as idiotic as last time I looked, at least via email ie the only dim possibility might be if I get to visit at some point and somehow find some human in there but I'm not giving it many chances and so I can't spend current limited time on this.	[18:52]
* asciilifeform	elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes	[18:52]
mp_en_viaje:	"worse enough" is quite the coinage	[18:53]
diana_coman:	well, it's not just "bad enough", no.	[18:53]
mp_en_viaje:	evidently.	[18:53]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: are the people where you put your www at all usable ? or only worx when mp_en_viaje's in saddle ? (or not on table cuz 'eggs/basket' ? )	[18:55]
mp_en_viaje:	yeah, that's the last thing we need, have a proper outage next time.	[18:55]
asciilifeform:	thought so.	[18:55]
mp_en_viaje:	so let's say a selection of all.	[18:56]
* asciilifeform	thinks 1 'all the general staff in 1 trench' episode is enuff	[18:56]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: as side note, 'horse' prolly belongs in that glossary of yours.	[18:59]
mp_en_viaje:	heh	[18:59]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i can get ~horrible~ but working hosting in ~hour if you want .	[19:03]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-08-19 16:36:37 asciilifeform: oook here's an experiment : asciilifeform set up a mirror of the logotron on a cheap heathen host. ( one of the most rubbish hosters known, lulazon's . hence cannot in fact stand up copy of bot there, fleanode bans conns from it unless sslized. but the db is current. )	[19:03]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943366 << this is likely. so far outside of costa rica vienna (and to lesser but still palpable degree warsaw) were remarkable in the positive, but no kind of shangri la. they do have the advantage you don't have to be already rich to enjoy, tho.	[19:03]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:44:44 BingoBoingo: MP's informative tour writeups suggest all the world is mostly populated by tards of some sort.	[19:03]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, tomorrow if nothing yields by then, yes.	[19:04]
asciilifeform:	aite!	[19:04]
mp_en_viaje:	(in the sense can get job, not in the sense not need money)	[19:05]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943371 << this incidentally was re discount offer.	[19:09]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 11:49:43 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, i don't need it, nor want it, nor does it help anything.	[19:09]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:42:25 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943108 << I see your point. fwiw I'd be willing to give a chicken-finding discount once all is said and done	[19:09]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 10:23:54 mp_en_viaje: "sure, most people specializing in serving breakfast for a fee can produce omlets in about ten minutes. but they start with a ready kitchen, which already contains eg eggs"	[19:09]
mp_en_viaje:	obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.	[19:13]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943405 << wd.	[19:15]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 12:08:15 diana_coman: younghands.club is back online at its new IP 185.163.47.240 restored from existing backups, apparently without data-loss.	[19:15]
mp_en_viaje:	o look, caught up with log.	[19:23]
mp_en_viaje:	feats of strength&fortitude	[19:23]
mp_en_viaje:	only 20k words today in 800 lines, what, a novel/day	[19:24]
* asciilifeform	orc bazar in 5m	[19:26]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje, BingoBoingo , et al : bmore orcs actually pretty cheap , comparatively . promised written quote later today.	[19:53]
asciilifeform:	for physical slots, that is, cheap. bw -- less cheap. they want 50 $ (usa) per 10Mb-sustained. ( and in fact boxen get plugged into a Gb/s port , and expected to ration selves , erry 10Mb/s/mo costs 50 , if somehow eat 100Mb/s/mo or equiv. weight, costs 500 ! )	[19:54]
asciilifeform:	holes sold by 2u each 2u comes w/ 320watt (at 220v)	[19:55]
asciilifeform:	racks are kolhoz, if one buys less than whole rack, a d00d with a camera stands there while you fiddle in it.	[19:55]
asciilifeform:	2u hole costs per se 100 / mo (just mains current an' physical space) , net pipe is on top of this.	[19:56]
asciilifeform:	ergo, minimal cost to house a single machine running at sustained 10Mb/s (very thin imho) is 150 $ us / mo ( + orctax ) .	[19:57]
asciilifeform:	to open acct costs 125 .	[19:57]
asciilifeform:	thing is in 1 of those concertina wire forts in bmore. 'expedient' corp. (never 1nce heard of it, but apparently nao monopoly in this fuckhole.)	[19:57]
asciilifeform:	finally, there is no contract, it's a monthly thing.	[19:59]
* BingoBoingo	back with the 4 1 servers. Oscar ended up walking me out and asking if I'd checked that the IPs were opened back up again some time today.... to the powered down diskless rack. No notice had been provided that the IPs were restored. Told him I'd return and check from the one of the microservers. Will try to do so when I return to fill bags again.	[19:59]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, honestly this sounds like a pretty decent deal.	[19:59]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: wd. ( yer gonna have to break the news to'em at some pt tho )	[19:59]
mp_en_viaje:	ration selves is the ~only other commercial version you'll find besides "oh ddos" latech style	[20:00]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: it's 'bout 3x less than i expected it'd cost	[20:00]
mp_en_viaje:	5k/gb seems very reasonable.	[20:00]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: appears to be.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: The news seems pretty broke already.	[20:00]
asciilifeform:	also asciilifeform'd get ip via arin.	[20:00]
mp_en_viaje:	also nice.	[20:00]
mp_en_viaje:	so what do you dislike about it ?	[20:00]
asciilifeform:	0 charge 'per ip', could house e.g. rk orchestra.	[20:00]
mp_en_viaje:	get a coupla c blocks to start with, distinct, and "raid" them.	[20:01]
mp_en_viaje:	or more if possibru	[20:01]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: dunno, i'm simply still not recovered from allergic choke from last go.	[20:01]
diana_coman:	fwiw I just made my stock email telling them what I want and now sending it around with way less filtering (because there isn't much to filter) I expect there'll be some emails waiting for me tomorrow but dunno if anything positive.	[20:01]
asciilifeform:	but seriously considering bmoreistan.	[20:01]
mp_en_viaje:	do they have half or mini racks ?	[20:01]
asciilifeform:	a:'how long would take for arin bureaucracy' bmore:'~week'	[20:01]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: sold by 2u increment, hundy per.	[20:01]
asciilifeform:	but full cage goes for 750.	[20:02]
mp_en_viaje:	yes but to get whole cabinet. only full us ?	[20:02]
mp_en_viaje:	so get a cage, ideal, can lock it.	[20:02]
asciilifeform:	fella said it's expandable in <hr.	[20:02]
asciilifeform:	'get the 2u, come back for more'	[20:02]
asciilifeform:	i specifically asked 'can come in, work on machines?' answr was '24/7, just put key in'	[20:03]
mp_en_viaje:	it seems to be the case saving 20 bucks a day is not worth the "own rack" outlay	[20:03]
mp_en_viaje:	besides, if this works out it finally gives you htat holy grail, of unassailable excuse to stay put	[20:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: can you reformulate ?	[20:04]
mp_en_viaje:	which ?	[20:04]
asciilifeform:	atm not sure if makes sense to get these	[20:04]
mp_en_viaje:	why not ?	[20:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: atm seems that 'fill whole rack' is recipe for 'new piz'	[20:04]
asciilifeform:	irresistible target for 'oops you've been dos'd' etc	[20:04]
mp_en_viaje:	so ?	[20:05]
mp_en_viaje:	well, if they go south you drive over get boxes back. what of it	[20:05]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: seems that if worth, worth to test w/ 1 or 2 pieces.	[20:05]
mp_en_viaje:	why ?	[20:05]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: ftr i also dunwant to end up in 'marriage' to this warehouse.	[20:05]
mp_en_viaje:	maybe i misunderstand this, let's see	[20:05]
asciilifeform:	( to be fair to the orcs, they letcha cancel whenever , no indenture )	[20:06]
mp_en_viaje:	you have option of either paying 3 bux day for sharing into someone else's rack, while someone stands over and films you or else pay 20 bux per day to own rack, which is 24u, ie 12times the size, and lock it as your own.	[20:06]
mp_en_viaje:	this right ?	[20:06]
asciilifeform:	this -- correct	[20:06]
mp_en_viaje:	so i'd rather pay 20 than 3 for 8x the space and the ownership, what's difficult to digest ?	[20:07]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: 1 prob. atm is that asciilifeform can't yet feed a 750/m rack .	[20:07]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 19:18:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho .	[20:07]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:59:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.	[20:07]
mp_en_viaje:	would you pay 50/mo to rent shelf in someone's bathroom or 400/month to rent studio apt ?	[20:07]
mp_en_viaje:	why not ?	[20:07]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: pauper.	[20:07]
mp_en_viaje:	so ima send you one of nsa's coin, you trade it for whatever 8k it's worth, and not pauper no more.	[20:08]
* asciilifeform	hangs head in shame	[20:08]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: bmore warehouse dun eat cash.	[20:08]
mp_en_viaje:	get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.	[20:08]
mp_en_viaje:	you asked ?	[20:08]
asciilifeform:	asked.	[20:08]
mp_en_viaje:	so put it on your cc.	[20:08]
asciilifeform:	can try an' ask again.	[20:08]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: if we make 'discover working btc-to-usd in middle of fucking reich' part of this problem, will take long time.	[20:09]
asciilifeform:	i aint got one.	[20:09]
mp_en_viaje:	well looky, your conference call, inasmuch as it was predicated on "talk to dc about my soda & 2 large popcorn budget" was a waste of your time.	[20:10]
mp_en_viaje:	750/mo for rack + 5k for gbps pro rated is very reasonable an offer, i'd take it.	[20:10]
mp_en_viaje:	if you can't take it why even bother calling, what did you expect they'd say, "19.95" ?	[20:10]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: can reliably put 4-5hundy w/out problems, from asciilifeform's daily racket. and thought we were orig. discussing 'could house 1u?' . but if not mp_en_viaje-grade, then waht can do.	[20:11]
mp_en_viaje:	oh, so if it was your private one box thing then why in here lol	[20:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: expected ~400-500 for coupla holes, apparently can haz.	[20:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: idea was, uy1, or dulap, etc.	[20:11]
asciilifeform:	why wouldja want all of'em in 1rack again?!	[20:11]
mp_en_viaje:	i didn't want all of those in 1 rack.	[20:11]
asciilifeform:	right!	[20:12]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: the way I see it is that one wants 1 rack just like one wants own bathroom ie not to share.	[20:12]
mp_en_viaje:	you have this very self-defeating way of being "conservative"	[20:12]
mp_en_viaje:	it's stupid, and i want no part of it.	[20:12]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you forgot 'stop being poor, fucktard'	[20:12]
mp_en_viaje:	you're not even poor, you're just weird.	[20:13]
asciilifeform:	poor!	[20:13]
mp_en_viaje:	not like eg nsa can't afford all this.	[20:13]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.	[20:14]
* mp_en_viaje	has no problem putting the above on nsa's monthly report and if indeed all the noises you make about having iron (that you "can't inventory" until "you dispose of the garbage, cuz totally, that's how inventories are made, can't enumerate the jewels for lack of having expelled the piocket lint),	[20:14]
mp_en_viaje:	this'd be a perfect opportunity to put all that to work, also.	[20:14]
mp_en_viaje:	but i can't ever decide with you if miles gloriosus, talks of gf as "pets", plural, because why not, boihood chorus, or genuine misrepresented fellow, has all sorta things doesnt know how to put to work.	[20:15]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m	[20:15]
mp_en_viaje:	what size cage ?	[20:16]
asciilifeform:	42.	[20:16]
mp_en_viaje:	i am now confused.	[20:16]
mp_en_viaje:	so what is sold for 750/mo ?	[20:16]
asciilifeform:	physical cabinet + mains current, 1.2amp / 220v per 2u ration.	[20:17]
mp_en_viaje:	and so what is the problem in getting it ?	[20:17]
asciilifeform:	once start to fill it, pipe costs substantial .	[20:18]
mp_en_viaje:	dude, i already said, wtf. <mp_en_viaje> get 24 u and a up to gb for 5k/mo, put allthe iron you have in there and there you go.	[20:18]
mp_en_viaje:	<	[20:18]
asciilifeform:	where is asciilifeform to get 5+k/mo ?	[20:19]
mp_en_viaje:	a coin's worth two of those.	[20:19]
asciilifeform:	missed http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943904 ?	[20:19]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 20:14:01 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.	[20:19]
mp_en_viaje:	look, paying 5k for gbps is not substantial. much like paying 1mn for 300 working mercedeses not substantial.	[20:19]
asciilifeform:	no i get it, it's ~market rate.	[20:19]
mp_en_viaje:	so figure it out, make yourself useful.	[20:19]
asciilifeform:	it aint a bad price.	[20:19]
mp_en_viaje:	lobbes, can you help this fellow out of paper bag ?	[20:19]
mp_en_viaje:	or whoever lives thereabouts and not yet beheaded ? afaik lobbes last head left attached.	[20:20]
asciilifeform:	if lobbes knows how to do this, i'ma take off hat and do it w/ lobbes .	[20:20]
mp_en_viaje:	and make a fucking inventory already, "alf's list of the most-likelky-to-be-worth-racking 24 u items currently in his warehouse"	[20:21]
mp_en_viaje:	actually make it ~36 or so u long, so there's some choice.	[20:21]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.	[20:21]
mp_en_viaje:	...	[20:21]
mp_en_viaje:	really ?	[20:21]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: lol unless you want some 486 racked..	[20:21]
mp_en_viaje:	so you don't actually have electronics besides vintage/garbage about ?	[20:22]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: in your conception of 'electronics' -- apparently not	[20:22]
asciilifeform:	what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?!	[20:22]
mp_en_viaje:	"my conception" ie, rackworthy ?	[20:22]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: it'd depend what's rackworthy ! but in asciilifeform's eyes, not errything with a cpu in it is 'rackworthy'	[20:23]
asciilifeform:	just like not erry tub in kitchen is 'seaworthy'	[20:23]
mp_en_viaje:	yes, honestly, i had formed the impression that after years of perusing the penny-to-dollar electronic surplus stores you amassed a large collection of perfectly serviceable parts, that could in a pinch produce a cabinets worth of servers. i did.	[20:23]
mp_en_viaje:	and that this pile, inter alia, is why you're stil lthe fuck there in the first place.	[20:23]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: 'unsexies' e.g. oscilloscopes, do 0 for racks	[20:24]
mp_en_viaje:	so you're more of an electrician than a computer scientist, the bulk of your garbage trove is in fact unrelated to computing as such	[20:24]
mp_en_viaje:	you have textile looms and period exhaust pipes from the carbureted days of yore.	[20:24]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: depends, do items like this -- 'electrician' or komoyooting ?	[20:25]
mp_en_viaje:	an earlier inventory could've saved me the internal misrepresentation.	[20:25]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ?	[20:25]
mp_en_viaje:	aite, so if you're not in the business of being in business, you're not, what can i tell you.	[20:25]
mp_en_viaje:	this'd have been excellent op to recapitalize.	[20:25]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.	[20:26]
mp_en_viaje:	i thought you jsut bought shit because it was cheap / you liked it, in lieu of saving or w/e. nfi what the fuck you're doing, i confess the more i talk to you, the less i understand.	[20:27]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it.	[20:27]
mp_en_viaje:	sure.	[20:27]
asciilifeform:	what is pictured there ? 'my dragon hoard of dc-waiting-for-rack' ?	[20:27]
mp_en_viaje:	in so many words, yes.	[20:27]
* asciilifeform	boggled.	[20:27]
mp_en_viaje:	what can i tell you.	[20:27]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney	[20:28]
mp_en_viaje:	anyway, the proposition of buing new, off eggazon w/e, to fill a rack significantly less appealing.	[20:28]
mp_en_viaje:	here he goes again.	[20:28]
asciilifeform:	i never bought'em new.	[20:28]
mp_en_viaje:	i suspect the problem is your constant confusion between "could" and "did"	[20:29]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, you just said you never bought AT ALL.	[20:29]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh.	[20:29]
mp_en_viaje:	okay...	[20:29]
asciilifeform:	(didn't pull'em from arse, no)	[20:29]
mp_en_viaje:	i also thought you pulled those from warehouse, myself.	[20:29]
mp_en_viaje:	not 100%, but a majority.	[20:30]
asciilifeform:	srsly?!	[20:30]
mp_en_viaje:	yes.	[20:30]
asciilifeform:	mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought.	[20:30]
asciilifeform:	were 1-1.5k ea.	[20:30]
asciilifeform:	(1.5 incl diskage, disks bought new cuz wtf, used toothbrushes)	[20:30]
mp_en_viaje:	so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.	[20:31]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: 5 of bolix (not partic. relevant, does someone want ~that~ racked?!)	[20:31]
mp_en_viaje:	can i get yes/no ?	[20:31]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i dun own 100k of anyffin, dun think.	[20:31]
asciilifeform:	not even organs.	[20:32]
mp_en_viaje:	...	[20:32]
mp_en_viaje:	so let me get this straight. you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable motherboards + cpu assemblages but you do all the while own ~20k worth of legacy symbolics hardware.	[20:32]
asciilifeform:	1) defo nope 2) 1 single bolix.	[20:32]
mp_en_viaje:	i thought you had multiple chips + boards + other junk related.	[20:32]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc.	[20:33]
mp_en_viaje:	dude nevermind.	[20:34]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did.	[20:34]
mp_en_viaje:	do you or do you not currently posses and are the owner of a number of cpus made by defunct symbolics co a number of pcbs made by defunct symbolics co a number of other just as useless paraphenalia made by just as defunct same co	[20:34]
asciilifeform:	i dun warehouse wheels of cheese either	[20:34]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these.	[20:35]
mp_en_viaje:	and the market value of this handful of cpus + working mchine comes to ?	[20:35]
asciilifeform:	what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.	[20:35]
mp_en_viaje:	yes, yes. but the dollar value of said arguably useless or not useless pile of old junk you can't currently use would be...	[20:36]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged.	[20:36]
mp_en_viaje:	nevermind that. if you put it on amazon today you'd BIY for...	[20:36]
asciilifeform:	5.	[20:36]
mp_en_viaje:	5k ?	[20:36]
asciilifeform:	aha	[20:36]
mp_en_viaje:	multiple symbolics cpus, i thought those went for 2-3k ea.	[20:37]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you already said 5x 'useless', can say 6 if you like, but i get	[20:37]
mp_en_viaje:	whole bolix, i thought that's more like 7k+ these days.	[20:37]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: whole bolix cost me 5. cpu was briefly sold for 450/ea, nao absent entirely from market.	[20:38]
mp_en_viaje:	whatevers. my question will stand as "so you do not in fact own 100k worth of rackable severs, but you do own 20k worth of unrackable memorabilia, which you inexplicably misvalue at 5k for some reason that's obviously this conversation and the outcomes yu want to see from it".	[20:38]
mp_en_viaje:	whatever. all this begs the question "how the fuck did you get your inventory manager to approve this insanity of outlay". with the self-obvious answer that "i am said manager myself, and i am known for my managerial acumen"	[20:39]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: why it is even interesting to ask about what unrackables asciilifeform owns ? my toyota also aint rackable.	[20:39]
asciilifeform:	equally 'useless'.	[20:39]
mp_en_viaje:	anwyays. people judge likeliness by some sort of grille. mine comes pre-populated with sanity promoting assumptions that are build through interacting with business not with collectors. consequently, all sort of conclusions can be derived that evidently do not bear out in practice.	[20:39]
mp_en_viaje:	but no small part of why i thought you had so and so is because you have others thus and following. i expect the man with 100k worth of car to have 1k worth of gas, i expect the man with egitheen slavegirls to have 20+ rooms, that sorta thing	[20:40]
asciilifeform:	how about man with 1k of car ?	[20:40]
mp_en_viaje:	i dunno, 20 bucks of gas and an outstanding speeding fine.	[20:40]
asciilifeform:	i think i figured it out, mp_en_viaje still thinks asciilifeform is seekritly loaded and simply intransigent	[20:41]
mp_en_viaje:	100k of gear in your life-dedication field is very far from loaded.	[20:41]
mp_en_viaje:	i'd also expect 30yo boat-lifer to own ~100k worth of boat. and 30yo golf pro to own ~100k worth of golf gear.	[20:41]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform might be intransigent, but aint a liar. i dun got 100k of any.	[20:42]
mp_en_viaje:	and 30yo concert musician to own, if not necessarily 100k worth of violin, then definitely 100k worth of violin if HE PLAYS THE VIOLIN, and twice so if he has a collection of antique panflutes.	[20:42]
asciilifeform:	why would even pile up dc-style boxes in fucking hovel?! what good they do there ?!	[20:42]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, i believe. now you believe me when i say your household is grossly mismanaged.	[20:42]
asciilifeform:	if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say.	[20:43]
asciilifeform:	perhaps if were well-managed, would consist of tractors an' rabbits	[20:43]
mp_en_viaje:	capital is to be deployed certain ways, not fucking randomly, neh ?	[20:43]
asciilifeform:	'i dun understand this fucking martian' != 'random'	[20:43]
mp_en_viaje:	hm.	[20:44]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/baltimoristan.jpg for anyone who cares .	[20:45]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, it is not interesting to me because well...	[20:45]
asciilifeform:	right.	[20:45]
mp_en_viaje:	i am interested in something like that next to someone who makes sense, though.	[20:46]
asciilifeform:	luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then..	[20:46]
mp_en_viaje:	i dunno, maybe something comes up.	[20:46]
mp_en_viaje:	anyways, ima be off. laters all!	[20:47]
asciilifeform:	nighty mp_en_viaje	[20:47]
asciilifeform:	a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw.	[20:47]
asciilifeform:	enjoyed.	[20:47]
diana_coman:	in unexpected idiotic failures, monovm's automated system replies to my email to inform me that they won't look at it because I'm not registered with them.	[20:51]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: apparently even bmore loox good compared to some of'em	[20:51]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: took me all of 20m of phone to get the troof outta'em	[20:51]
BingoBoingo:	http://archive.is/3nQJt << Argentina is fatwah'd and even more isolated than Uruguay from an internet perspective, but here's what they offer for 2U 10mbps burstable symmetric (LACNIC so IP address poor). If Gbps can reasonable be had in Baltimore...	[20:51]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: as I was saying, now I don't bother to filter them anymore they will filter themselves, as above.	[20:51]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i think mp_en_viaje will sooner eat glass than go argentine	[20:51]
diana_coman:	BingoBoingo: fwiw I even emailed some brazilians, will see if/what they reply.	[20:52]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i aint about to question your methods.	[20:52]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Right. It's just if you set the bar low... You get Argentines outbidding themselves to be lowest	[20:52]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: 'email errybody' is Right Thing	[20:52]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: better email them too or something, there are so many, it's not like I can cover all anyway	[20:52]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo:wouldja argentina even for 1cent ?	[20:52]
asciilifeform:	consider what you'd get.	[20:53]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: No. I would not Argentina.	[20:53]
asciilifeform:	see, 'i would not, could not, in the zoo...'	[20:53]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: It may be worth working with lobbes/trinque to see if a BTC/Dubloo circuit in the zone can be established. The one thing the US has is cables everywhere. Argentina hangs off of the "Tannat" cable still further from Fortaleza than Uruguay	[20:55]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if mp_en_viaje were interested, would. but he thinks asciilifeform is lunatic. so what'd be the use.	[20:55]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: apparently he also thought that i kept 15 spare piz's under my bed.	[20:56]
* asciilifeform	swears on mpkoranbbq that he doesn't	[20:57]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: so far emailing the places can physically reach. returned 1 output. but if you're overwhelmed, pgp piece of victim list and what-do-demand and i'ma help.	[20:58]
BingoBoingo:	Well, how much does a dulap spec machine run for on the market atm, and are there any indications as to how deep the market is. You did say earlier that they are getting rarer	[20:58]
asciilifeform:	imho there aint much point in putting inside usa if not asciilifeform , lobbes , trinque , can physically reach, usa is overpriced	[20:59]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: ~1k. but limited availability ('depth') in market.	[20:59]
asciilifeform:	see mp_en_viaje's point about the whore angela.	[20:59]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: atm I don't think it matters where if they do as told and come register and invoice with deedbot etc.	[21:01]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if yer ~leasing~ a box, will get what the people have, not what you want. even in that ukr thing diana_coman found that supposedly opterons. they'll be with ipmi etc. this is inevitable.	[21:01]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: this promises to be uphill battle. i at least did not demand 'oh hey , only dc in 400km radius, will ya register w/deedbot ?'	[21:01]
BingoBoingo:	diana_coman: Maxihost was pretty retarded with their formalism last time I searched in depth. Maybe someone else in Brasil is more responsive?	[21:02]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: you know, there were at least some in the whole list saying kvm and I'm pretty sure I don't have a full list anyway.	[21:02]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: that's pretty good (rare) .	[21:02]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: I am asking them precisely that and nothing less.	[21:02]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed.	[21:03]
diana_coman:	if it's not that, I can go anywhere for same thing,not worth all the time.	[21:03]
asciilifeform:	right	[21:03]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i assume you read the discussion re 'horse' ?	[21:04]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 18:23:58 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?	[21:04]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: even replied to it http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943779	[21:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 15:46:17 diana_coman: fwiw I don't mind it if anyone actually wants to ride maxim but note that their "uptake" of anything proved indeed 1mm deep just yest I had to ask again for the same thing I had previously asked	[21:05]
asciilifeform:	ah yes.	[21:05]
asciilifeform:	apologies , diana_coman , looong day.	[21:06]
diana_coman:	they are quick and they will do as told just as long as it doesn't take it out of the pen, that's about it.	[21:06]
diana_coman:	no worries, I'm not exactly fresh myself either	[21:06]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: if you need a 2nd pair of hands, i'ma follow your instruction to look for 'human'. but atm strongly suspect that we will have to ride horses.	[21:07]
asciilifeform:	and to get good at riding.	[21:08]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: go ahead and ride it, really do it well and it's worth it, what.	[21:08]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: apparently i'm too stupid to ride properly.	[21:08]
asciilifeform:	was gonna get a 2u.	[21:09]
asciilifeform:	(or could even 4)	[21:09]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: so get them already.	[21:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran'	[21:09]
BingoBoingo:	Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.	[21:10]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if e.g. trinque wants in, perhaps mp_en_viaje will consider.	[21:10]
asciilifeform:	iirc trinque hungers day an' night for coin to buy.	[21:11]
asciilifeform:	then we can get cabinet and a thick pipe etc.	[21:11]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Or lobbes since lobbes does seem to be documenting his housecleaning efforts well.	[21:11]
asciilifeform:	( or even trinque in trinqueistan )	[21:11]
asciilifeform:	or lobbes.	[21:11]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: converting btc is anyway useful, I'd say dc or no dc, I really don't see why not do it.	[21:12]
bvt:	asciilifeform: you can get 2u for yourself - you'd still run logger somewhere, no?	[21:12]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops'	[21:12]
asciilifeform:	bvt: it's overkill 'for self', i aint mp, not loaded.	[21:13]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i dun dispute that it's useful. but i do not know how to do it reliably.	[21:13]
asciilifeform:	and e.g. racks, gotta be paid on time erry single time.	[21:14]
asciilifeform:	potentially it could be done the way BingoBoingo did it. but the metered bw thing makes me ill, it's an open-ended liability	[21:15]
asciilifeform:	and incidentally when they empty that 42u, i'ma have even less recourse than BingoBoingo against latech. i can't afford even hour of usa attourney i suspect . (not that it'd do much good)	[21:17]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: At some point the queasyness has to be balanced against the opportunity to gain some leverage.	[21:18]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje sometimes seems to think that asciilifeform is a 1/32th scale model of himself. but no, asciilifeform is a pauper, and not even grade-a pauper .	[21:19]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i'll fall on whatever grenade , but only makes sense to do if it does some good.	[21:19]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: my the lack of recourse against latecho is dwarfed by latecho and "dedicado"'s lack of recourse against centurylink.	[21:19]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: does idea of errybody in 1 cage again seem smart to you ?	[21:21]
asciilifeform:	cuz to asciilifeform , does not.	[21:21]
asciilifeform:	not even mattering where is this cage.	[21:22]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: It doesn't. But we are going through a forced diversification movement anyways.	[21:22]
asciilifeform:	indeed we are.	[21:24]
asciilifeform:	the 1 good imho that could even come outta it, is to make deadly sure we dun ever end up all in 1 dead cage again.	[21:24]
asciilifeform:	speaking of 'expensive lessons'.	[21:25]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: my notion was to get a coupla holes and serve as 'horse rider' to 2-3 people. at same time topping off slowly own meagre coin sack, at the rate permitted by asciilifeform's pauperty.	[21:27]
asciilifeform:	this naturally does ~not~ give same 'bang for buck' as 'whole cage, motherfucker!' and mp_en_viaje -- barfs predictably. tho i was under impression that diana_coman also shopping for less than whole cage.	[21:28]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: This is admirable, but even with them rating the ports as "burtable"... I suspect mp's inclination to get a full Gb pipe up front is how to keep the same sort of network farting from trashing the operation.	[21:28]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: bmore actually gives Gb pipe.	[21:28]
asciilifeform:	simply charges for mass.	[21:28]
asciilifeform:	you can run it all day at Gb if you like, simply will pop when the bill comes.	[21:28]
asciilifeform:	they offload ddos filtration on the tenant.	[21:29]
asciilifeform:	you get arin ip's etc.	[21:29]
asciilifeform:	essentially same thing as 'if BingoBoingo on antel'	[21:29]
asciilifeform:	mains current, oddly, not metered.	[21:30]
asciilifeform:	( simply 1.2amp fuse per 2u holes )	[21:30]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i spoke with their fuhrer. (monkey was unable to answer all) , fella explained that 'customer must throttle himself, we just bill'	[21:31]
BingoBoingo:	!Qlater tell trinque Backups have finished uploading to the deedbot server.	[21:32]
lobbesbot:	BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.	[21:32]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.	[21:33]
asciilifeform:	then can come back to subj.	[21:34]
asciilifeform:	i'ma get a 2nd quote for 'all cage' in case.	[21:34]
asciilifeform:	( quotes dun cost anyffin but wear on asciilifeform's kbd )	[21:36]
* asciilifeform	bbl, meat.	[21:37]
BingoBoingo:	Anyways from an architecture point of view one big weakness of LACNIC countries (and Asia it seems as well) is IP poverty. For all the disadvantages of North America, it has IP space to spare.	[21:42]
* BingoBoingo	brb, supply run to keep the biologics going	[21:52]
diana_coman:	ftr, if no human can be found, I'll lease a server in turkey and be done with it.	[21:53]
diana_coman:	done for today, will see what emails await me tomorrow.	[21:57]
* lobbes	back from mines resumes eating log	[22:28]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944081 << i said, "so why are you discussing it here". go, get, do, wth.	[22:44]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 18:10:16 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran'	[22:44]
mp_en_viaje:	i can't imagine you need my approval or for that matter oppinion for getting yourself a box. go, get, what.	[22:44]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944082 << there	[22:45]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 18:11:10 BingoBoingo: Well, you can't expect real time answers with IRC. See what the other folks in the zone say when they wake up as far as BTC conversion.	[22:45]
mp_en_viaje:	s nothing to fucking consider, man. if i have to buy the hardware, proximity to you is an anti-issue, you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful.	[22:45]
mp_en_viaje:	if i have to buy the hardware i'll simply lease whatever random dorks have ready and be done with it.	[22:46]
mp_en_viaje:	what exactly did you imagine you'd be bringing to the table, anyway ? some manner to make any possible deal as complicatedly untenable as it could conceivably get ?	[22:48]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944122 << nah, if/when someone sane is found, can just get this next to them instead, easier.	[22:53]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 18:33:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.	[22:53]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943810 << I think I get this now, and it fits with the theme of today's logs of the republic taking ownership of a space before the orcs do their thing. In this instance, it is the blogification of irc, and if it takes until 2020 than we've already lost the plot of the job in the first place	[23:00]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 19:13:37 mp_en_viaje: obv if i wanted to pay less i'd have made the award less. i don't, not because "it's what it's worth" (which very eminently isn't, true market value of the item's prolly in the $70-$150 range, depending where you buy it) but because tryina prime the pump, so people can go "hey, we made something out of crumpled wad!", why not.	[23:00]
lobbes:	So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse I will kick this into higher gear	[23:00]
mp_en_viaje:	well it'll be key infrastructure in any case, if it eventually permits irc-isation of "login" web idiocy.	[23:02]
lobbes:	interesting, so like, instead of posting via a web login, just submit a post via bot?	[23:05]
mp_en_viaje:	no, instead of interfacing with whatever idiotic pantsuit outfit via their website, you just do it through their bot they don't even have enough sense to have written themselves.	[23:06]
lobbes:	aha, I see. Has applications way beyond blogging alone	[23:08]
mp_en_viaje:	nothing keeps you from having a simple !f nc f <25 bot for public usage except for your not having thought about it and me talking in a vacuum on trilema and in general. but the "system" was long ago raped wide open, all it needs is proper interfacing	[23:11]
ossabot:	Logged on 2018-03-07 19:20:48 mircea_popescu: sooo... big deal, 1 sent girl to buy a bagful of phone numbers. they cost, no joke, $2.5 here. EXCEPT, of course, they want your "cedula", you know, "por activacion".	[23:11]
mp_en_viaje:	which obviously will happen when i breadcrumb, 5+years after, whatever. what can i do.	[23:12]
mp_en_viaje:	but ultimately, the bot's supposed to count for a small to medium sized corp all by itself, do the job of 500 or so of the useless fuckheads calling themselves "employees" in pantsuitistan	[23:12]
mp_en_viaje:	think about it, if clucker can "make website account", why exactly can't lobbesbot ? outside of "because lobbes hasn't written that part yet"	[23:14]
lobbes:	this makes a lot of sense	[23:15]
mp_en_viaje:	all the needful things that were supposed to have well been done by hand by now so we know how to code them by the sort of self-sufficient cocksuckers who won't do things for love or money still need to be done, and then once done automated, and so following.	[23:15]
mp_en_viaje:	sure, at the rate we're so far going we'll have nothing never, but i'm not married to the crew, i'm married to performance.	[23:16]
lobbes:	well, then I need to make sure I'm on the performance end of the stick	[23:17]
mp_en_viaje:	regardless, http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ still stands : by the time we're done, empire won't be able to distinguish its meatsacks from bots. end of story, let it send lobbesbot get-out-the-vote cards.	[23:18]
mp_en_viaje:	each 5mn "profiles" of it.	[23:18]
* BingoBoingo	returned from overdue grocery run. Peaked at headlines and feels incredibly handicapped with current Turkey/US/NATO/Trump lolz happening and Qntra dark. Going to the basement to check pipe. Sky and forecast are hinting rain so any extraction further extraction tonight is going to be limited to rails and cables/whatever fits under raincover	[23:20]
BingoBoingo:	Peeked, though headlines seem to be peaking. Trump ordered US to stop human shielding Kurds, informing minimum of personel in doing so before announcement. Now Turkey is doing their long desired Syria ops freely.	[23:22]
mp_en_viaje:	the "global superpower" days well over.	[23:23]
BingoBoingo:	Predictably the usual congress critters are calling for Turkey's NATO expulsion despite NATO fiatpapers not having any provisions for expulsion	[23:24]
mp_en_viaje:	lol, if they expel turkey they disintegrate, it can just about counter them alone.	[23:25]
mp_en_viaje:	turkey evidently doesn't want to outright quit but wouldn't mind being expelled, then it can pretty much sell europe to the russians like a common whore, by the night or by the hour, by the hole or by the pair.	[23:26]
BingoBoingo:	Right. I wouldn't be surprised if Turkey/Russia end up sharing Europe.	[23:27]
mp_en_viaje:	will force germany to rearm.	[23:27]
mp_en_viaje:	should be lulzy to see the anglo-franco-italian lulzchorus once that happens, as they couldn't possibly.	[23:27]
BingoBoingo:	But rearm who? The German folk from your description seem to require some rapid hardening.	[23:28]
BingoBoingo:	!q asciilifeform Were you going to pick up an "anyserver" to get the blogs back online or should I do it when I get back from basement mission?	[23:29]
mp_en_viaje:	well... i guess we see.	[23:29]
BingoBoingo:	Anyways, Muscovite/Ottman Europe may or may not be the anti-Mandarin language retardation counter the world needs.	[23:30]
mp_en_viaje:	who knows	[23:31]
mp_en_viaje:	in other keks : https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html	[23:41]
mp_en_viaje:	apparently this only works half the time, didn't see it before.	[23:41]
BingoBoingo:	lolAlemania	[23:47]
BingoBoingo:	Back massaged, brb from the rack when I get there if IPs were indeed released	[23:47]
mp_en_viaje:	http://www.gutenberg.org/files/44877/44877-h/44877-h.htm << meanwhile linking actually works fine	[23:47]
mp_en_viaje:	such lulz	[23:47]
asciilifeform:	grr apparently asciilifeform is sclerotic , because :	[23:50]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i missed a crate when inventoried x86 boxen.	[23:50]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: contains, fwiw, a 'xeon' (intelism) 2x cpu. 2 5in. bays, some form of raid (will have to boot up if interested.)	[23:51]
asciilifeform:	1u.	[23:51]
mp_en_viaje:	lol, as common of paupers, to mislay their absent wealth by the crateful.	[23:51]
asciilifeform:	so, this was lie, and i apologize.	[23:52]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 20:21:21 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.	[23:52]
asciilifeform:	nao, does anyone want such a thing racked !	[23:52]
mp_en_viaje:	s'okay, i take the main thrust of the thing.	[23:52]
* asciilifeform	nao gettin' spamola from orcs, 'pleez dear sir rack sumthing?'	[23:53]
asciilifeform:	i suspect they're ~empty like Bingo's people	[23:53]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944144 << ftr i actually agree with mp_en_viaje , it's, wat, a 100ln proggy?!	[23:55]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-09 23:00:49 lobbes: So I agree now that 2020 delivery is, in fact, utterly insane. Fire has been lit under arse I will kick this into higher gear	[23:55]
mp_en_viaje:	it's mostly needlework, like the old 1990s computing olympiad problems, "do all these many things".	[23:56]
asciilifeform:	~all programming's needlwurk, mp_en_viaje	[23:56]
mp_en_viaje:	but not heavy nor subtantial.	[23:56]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, well no, phuctor-likes are claw work, very different thing.	[23:56]
asciilifeform:	even 'heavy' isjust heavy needlework.	[23:56]
asciilifeform:	a	[23:56]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: but ya didnt ask him to bake a phuctor.	[23:57]
mp_en_viaje:	did not.	[23:57]
mp_en_viaje:	and finally, billy's thing is more scrape work, also different.	[23:57]
asciilifeform:	hm.	[23:57]
mp_en_viaje:	there's different kinds, not all programming's needlework.	[23:57]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i cleaned the intel box in case end up asking for it if not turks.	[23:58]
mp_en_viaje:	noty.	[23:58]
asciilifeform:	aok.	[23:58]

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