Forum logs for 08 Oct 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:

asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i specifically did not want it in piz, cuz already had dark thought re target-rich envir.	[00:00]
asciilifeform:	'3 smoking from same match'	[00:00]
mp_en_viaje:	aha	[00:01]
asciilifeform:	will switch it tomorrow .	[00:01]
* asciilifeform	wonders what is his remaining use on battlefield. e.g. snsa is approx as alive as piz...	[00:03]
asciilifeform:	nao i haven't even a logger .	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	to others, goes the torch of logotron .	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman and lobbes .	[00:05]
asciilifeform:	fallen is phuctor. (it was gonna get fatter disks, in resupply crate, so can actually go through those ssl dumps , to date has been doing 'random sample' of'em erry wk )	[00:06]
asciilifeform:	i'ma carry on w/ peh (needs keccak) , perhaps mp_en_viaje & co will still find use for it .	[00:07]
mp_en_viaje:	well, we can talk about nsa later this week, ima have to write report anyways. one thing at a time neh ?	[00:08]
asciilifeform:	aite.	[00:09]
* asciilifeform	will complete 'peh' even when exiled to pluto, imho it needs doin'	[00:09]
asciilifeform:	i dun expect it will make riches tho.	[00:09]
mp_en_viaje:	piling everything together, "my car got a flat tire, and come to think of it my wife is annoying also" is a great way to find suicide appealing and naught much else. not exactly rational review.	[00:10]
asciilifeform:	tru	[00:10]
* asciilifeform	also dealing with a possibly-imploding salt mine, for extra kicks	[00:10]
mp_en_viaje:	things should be reviewed on merits, and periodically, but on merits and periodically, not whenever got a paper cut.	[00:10]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.	[00:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i can't say i've much to claim as 'merits' in recent time.	[00:11]
mp_en_viaje:	isn't that a sobering thought.	[00:11]
asciilifeform:	if were japanese prolly already would have appointed kaishakunin and bought white sheets etc.	[00:11]
mp_en_viaje:	white sheets are always good to have in any case.	[00:12]
asciilifeform:	put full throttle since late may into piz & logger. nao have neither.	[00:12]
mp_en_viaje:	well, actually, your logger is widely distributed and you have it, except for not atm on a box.	[00:12]
asciilifeform:	( e.g. 'm' also was for piz. came to 0. )	[00:12]
lobbes:	logger vpatch still exists because asciilifeform tho	[00:13]
lobbes:	mp-wp bot couldn't be a thing without it, for example	[00:13]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: nao time for the young heroes.	[00:13]
mp_en_viaje:	i daresay most of the benefit of pizarro was in training you inept tards to some (probably minuscule) degree.	[00:13]
mp_en_viaje:	that, you also carry with you.	[00:13]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )	[00:14]
mp_en_viaje:	"not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.	[00:14]
mp_en_viaje:	but ultimately, the reason experience's so painfully expensive, is that nobody takes so much from it ever.	[00:15]
mp_en_viaje:	pizarro had a decent run in spite of management that it came to an end... it ran for 20+ months neh. plenty of time.	[00:16]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1941985 << fwiw i've never worked anywhere that didn't eventually die. even that usg army lab -- closes.	[00:16]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, from experience, all possibly imploding salt mines are in fact imploding. Mocky_ 's experience is iirc in the logs as current-most-recent.	[00:16]
asciilifeform:	*closed	[00:16]
mp_en_viaje:	right.	[00:16]
asciilifeform:	last go around, asciilifeform was stuck in 'butugychag' (physically commuted-to hellhole) for 6+mo.	[00:17]
asciilifeform:	~0 useful output.	[00:17]
asciilifeform:	was also when lost good % of net worth in the alphago thing.	[00:17]
mp_en_viaje:	which was this ?	[00:18]
asciilifeform:	was in the last days of bitbet.	[00:18]
mp_en_viaje:	oh oh, google go bot	[00:18]
asciilifeform:	aha	[00:18]
mp_en_viaje:	lol, remember the 1k btc berkshire bet ?	[00:19]
* asciilifeform	actually followed the last convulsions of bbet, and the end of era1, on hidden terminal in a snakepit fulla unspeakable usg stooges	[00:19]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: of course remember	[00:19]
mp_en_viaje:	good times.	[00:20]
asciilifeform:	all times eventually remembered as 'good times', is how the meat worx	[00:20]
asciilifeform:	'we were younger then'(tm)(r)	[00:20]
mp_en_viaje:	in my case it's more a case of "oh, remember when the old shcmucks srsly thought they stand a chance ?"	[00:21]
asciilifeform:	!o seen Mocky	[00:21]
ossabot:	Mocky last seen here on 2019-09-04 22:48:05: I fell down a rabbit hole	[00:21]
mp_en_viaje:	but anyways, having now read this 771 line / 19k words log twice, ima to bed.	[00:21]
asciilifeform:	!o seen-anywhere Mocky	[00:21]
ossabot:	Mocky last seen in #trilema on 2019-09-04 22:48:05: I fell down a rabbit hole	[00:21]
mp_en_viaje:	take it easy all.	[00:21]
asciilifeform:	goodnight mp_en_viaje	[00:21]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941645 << at my current rate of developing the thing, I will give a tentative estimate of Jan 1st 2020 as delivery date of whole enchilada. I will update this deadline quickly if I see it threatening to be pushed	[00:23]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.	[00:23]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well hopefully sooner.	[00:23]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?	[00:23]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i expect there'll be a where-to-park then.	[00:24]
lobbes:	seems like folks are aiming towards diana_coman's contact huh	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm.	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	remains to be seen how will behave on battlefield, but so far could be worse	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	d00d seems willing to colo, gave price.	[00:25]
asciilifeform:	( iirc diana_coman took a leased stock machine rather than colo )	[00:26]
lobbes:	willing to gpg and accept btc too, it seems	[00:26]
asciilifeform:	looxlike	[00:26]
asciilifeform:	this in itself is rare.	[00:26]
lobbes:	I may look into getting another box from them myself gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster	[00:26]
asciilifeform:	not 1 of the fucktards i abortively talked to in '17 was willing to eat btc.	[00:26]
* asciilifeform	might be unusual, but often prefers to pay in orc scrip because sitting on a vehehehery modest and rapidly dwindling pile of btc	[00:27]
lobbes:	that was why I went with orc scrip with my current hoster. I also have small pile	[00:28]
lobbes:	even worse, I dun even have a working trb node	[00:28]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i had enuff for maybe 1 moar refuel of piz and then fat zero.	[00:28]
asciilifeform:	piz was also my last working means for buying coin .	[00:29]
lobbes:	same, I'm glad I bought little bits when it was alive at least. I'll miss those auctions	[00:30]
asciilifeform:	~100% of the coin asciilifeform ever had, in fact came from the people here.	[00:30]
lobbes:	I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings found this place in time	[00:32]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i mined (yes) 1st, on the pile of junkyard fpga i happened to have surrounded self with at the time .	[00:33]
asciilifeform:	did not want to deal with the 'btc komoyooniti', found it repulsive.	[00:33]
asciilifeform:	eventually bought a little from 'gox' right before it chernobyled.	[00:34]
asciilifeform:	then only had from friends, all of whom incidentally still here .	[00:34]
asciilifeform:	also at one point sold a mythical kingdom to some unknown fella for a little.	[00:35]
asciilifeform:	that's pretty much it.	[00:35]
lobbes:	lolwut duckdom	[00:36]
asciilifeform:	!o s urbit	[00:36]
ossabot:	121 results for "urbit" in #trilema	[00:36]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.	[00:37]
asciilifeform:	point being, in asciilifeform's eyes only makes sense to spend personal coinz if can buy it back ~immediately at same or better price. which is difficult to do.	[00:38]
asciilifeform:	so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs.	[00:38]
asciilifeform:	as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also.	[00:39]
asciilifeform:	( asciilifeform cannot safely receive fiatola from humans. so that's where got with what to build. )	[00:40]
lobbes:	ah okay, so you arbitraged a shitcoin in a sense	[00:40]
asciilifeform:	it will be a while before asciilifeform can again participate in building anything that material costs more than electrons .	[00:40]
asciilifeform:	or to go overseas etc.	[00:40]
asciilifeform:	had reserved for resupply crate and its contents, tho.	[00:41]
asciilifeform:	lobbes, diana_coman : logotron tree updated, removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used .	[00:53]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i was sadly unable to mirror your patches, as they lived in piz. when you find new home for your www, i will mirror. (otherwise feel free to paste as comments, and i'ma try and parse'em out)	[00:54]
asciilifeform:	sigs, that is	[00:54]
asciilifeform:	iirc lobbes had sigs for existing patches.	[00:54]
asciilifeform:	bot is unaffected by this patch, diana_coman & lobbes can emplace w/out reset .	[00:55]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: ack re: sigs. I'll let you know once I have new blog home. Going to order a leased stock box from that moldavian hoster nao methinks	[00:59]
lobbes:	and neato re: patch. I still need to apply the detect_disconnect patch as well. Will do that tonight before bed	[01:00]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears .	[01:00]
asciilifeform:	i suspect is is a fundamentally bad idea .	[01:00]
asciilifeform:	that being said, i dun exactly have a list of 9000 cages that known to work.	[01:02]
asciilifeform:	lobbes, diana_coman , can take the piz banners off yer log www's, they dun go anywhere no moar...	[01:04]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: this is a point re: parking in same cage. Perhaps couldn't hurt to do some more charting.	[01:06]
* asciilifeform	will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it	[01:08]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: if you colo boxen, i rec to take a weekend to learn to use a spot welder	[01:08]
asciilifeform:	they're inexpensive .	[01:09]
asciilifeform:	naturally a welded tin can aint a 100 tonne safe . but will be equally impossible to get inside w/out leaving obv. marks.	[01:10]
asciilifeform:	if yer good about photographing before sending off.	[01:10]
* asciilifeform	off to pet pets. bbl.	[01:24]
lobbes:	enjoy!	[01:25]
* BingoBoingo	back at terminal. Shared machine user data backed up along with databases. asciilifeform Dulap powered down, drives removed	[01:40]
* BingoBoingo	eats log	[01:40]
BingoBoingo:	http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2019#2561204 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind	[01:46]
asciilifeform:	wb BingoBoingo	[01:47]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: plox to use the echatronic loggers	[01:47]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: apologies. Got a tab open for each logger atm.	[01:48]
* BingoBoingo	off to quickly acquire some nutrition	[01:48]
* asciilifeform	also	[01:48]
BingoBoingo:	Oscar did send some new graphs. One seems to show a lot of traffic hitting Latecho near, but not inside out block. https://ibb.co/MBCdf6X https://ibb.co/4NdZGcV https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK https://ibb.co/zQHs76v	[02:38]
BingoBoingo:	mod6: To take any backups of your machine, I will need some sort of credentials to log in.	[02:40]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941999 << I feel this sting.	[02:42]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:15:20 mp_en_viaje: "not talking to many people you don't know ~= suicide" might've been more productive a lesson.	[02:42]
lobbes:	BingoBoingo: fwiw, I think you did better at this venture than I imagine I ever would have. It took balls to take that initial leap over the wire and bootstrap the thing.	[02:53]
lobbes:	tmsr is all about embracing one's failure and learning from it, if I've learned anything from being here	[02:53]
lobbes:	it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built something even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?"	[03:10]
lobbes:	Not sure what I'm trying to say exactly, other than perhaps "there's many ways to make a mark in history". Idk, I'ma shut up as my inspirational speeches seem to have a history of turning people off rather than inspiring	[03:10]
BingoBoingo:	lobbes: Leaping over the wire was the easy part. Letting ritual complexity explode early by not objecting to the GPG note passing thing was a failure. The big failure was marketing, not having a private message churner or selling anyone on the idea of getting one together for Pizarro and fast. The thing about failures is that over time their consequences accrete. Over time these accretions build up and generate inertia. It is like a	[03:11]
BingoBoingo:	weight.	[03:11]
lobbes:	this is true about the accretions of failure. A lesson for all of us, I reckon. Makes me take a hard look at my own failures I may be missing	[03:12]
lobbes:	on the bright side, tho, now you have real world experience for someone else that starts an endeavor of the sort. It is expensive to get that experience, and you own it in a way no one else does	[03:14]
BingoBoingo:	To put together a Qntra I might read five to ten takes from raw sources before I can collapse the story into condensed, journalistic text.	[03:14]
BingoBoingo:	To put together another Pizarro from nothing, Even with the past two years there are other hard edges I have not mastered that I know would be necessary, and the tissue paper pipe problem can happen again.	[03:17]
BingoBoingo:	I don't in this moment feel as portable as I did in 2017 because now there's the Peruana. I'm rather fond of her, but she loves me.	[03:20]
BingoBoingo:	She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much.	[03:26]
lobbes:	well, as diana_coman once told me sustainable growth is the key. From my chair at least, it doesn't seem like taking time to regroup is a necessarily a bad thing	[03:32]
lobbes:	but I'm no growth expert!	[03:32]
BingoBoingo:	I am inclined to make somewhere in Latin America, even if not Uruguay work. Bingoboingo the journalist loves this country. Bingoboingo the retarded datacenter tech/mongoloid startup manager hates this country.	[03:34]
* asciilifeform	waves	[03:36]
* BingoBoingo	waves	[03:36]
lobbes:	heya asciilifeform	[03:36]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: seems that you do not want to be evacuated yourself ? asciilifeform is ready to carry out this duty if BingoBoingo wishes.	[03:39]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i will buy personally for you a ticket to anywhere on planet3.	[03:40]
asciilifeform:	( what to do there, is separate q, if i knew i'd buy for self also ! )	[03:40]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Not looking to evacuate immediately.	[03:42]
asciilifeform:	aite.	[03:42]
asciilifeform:	but there's orcbux in reserve for this. as was sworn.	[03:42]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: If you do make it back to the Oriental Republic, however... I am willing to drop everything to make a potroast.	[03:43]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i'ma come if it somehow turns out to be impossible to send the irons as freight, but otherwise must pass.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo:	That I guessed from the logs.	[03:45]
asciilifeform:	fwiw i still have the transportation gear, the sacks, paddings, etc.	[03:45]
asciilifeform:	the specific flavour of x86 boxen asciilifeform is partial to, has become a rarity, and imho worth to recover all of it for reuse.	[03:46]
BingoBoingo:	Those servers are a treasure.	[03:48]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942089 << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use .	[03:49]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 01:46:08 BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2019#2561204 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind	[03:49]
asciilifeform:	incl. rk.	[03:49]
asciilifeform:	nuffin should be left to the orcs if it can be helped.	[03:50]
lobbes:	interesting. I would entertain the idea of buying the rk I am renting (depending on cost of course)	[03:50]
asciilifeform:	snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .	[03:52]
asciilifeform:	imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' .	[03:53]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: If you want to do a slow growth thing and try to recoup some Bitcoin, I don't see what is keeping you from finishing your second RK plant and finding it a lower cost basis/better value pipe eurocolo.	[03:58]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: cuz i cannot in good conscience try to peddle a chunk of a colo to which some derp has the keys and i'm 10,000km away.	[03:59]
asciilifeform:	( and can't move self. i'm a pauper and my pauperty's here . )	[03:59]
asciilifeform:	how the fuck do i even say pauperty in eng	[03:59]
asciilifeform:	y'know, the designated spot where a pauper paups.	[04:00]
asciilifeform:	паперть .	[04:00]
BingoBoingo:	Back when england was a thing they tried to keep those from accumulating.	[04:01]
asciilifeform:	might be false cognate actually.	[04:01]
asciilifeform:	паперть is the roofed spot in front of church.	[04:01]
BingoBoingo:	The stoop	[04:02]
BingoBoingo:	Or on a church the stoople	[04:03]
asciilifeform:	that.	[04:03]
asciilifeform:	apparently false cognate tho, the eng is from the latin.	[04:03]
BingoBoingo:	Of the the places in Uruguay that could draw urban campers... Churchfronts tend not to.	[04:05]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: slavic / orthodox church thing.	[04:05]
asciilifeform:	the churchgoers were expected to put coin into designated paupers.	[04:05]
BingoBoingo:	Here they have Catholic, Anglican, Several different kinds of jew, Mormon, the "Christ Scientists" have a giant one...	[04:06]
BingoBoingo:	Have yet to encounter a distinctly orthodox presenting church in the city.	[04:07]
asciilifeform:	the big ortho cathedral in timis had a proper pauperty. oddly, no paupers tho.	[04:07]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: fwiw piz was to be also asciilifeform's escape tunnel, but dug not even 1% of it, so is the smallest loss.	[04:09]
asciilifeform:	i still think that e.g. lobbes could escape.	[04:10]
* lobbes	is currently in own state of 'regroup', but does have eye on escape eventually	[04:10]
* asciilifeform	no longer has anything resembling a realistic picture of escape. perhaps could sign on as swabbie on mp's submarine when he buys 1...	[04:12]
lobbes:	bot going down for a few seconds to apply latest two patchen... stand by	[04:17]
asciilifeform:	wb ericbot .	[04:21]
lobbes:	!e version	[04:21]
ericbot:	I am bot version 597858.	[04:21]
lobbes:	there we go	[04:21]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: At least you don't have the children burden that seems to have claimed so many.	[04:21]
asciilifeform:	'on each camel god will put his own sort of load and a straw to break his back' or how did it go.	[05:23]
diana_coman:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941886 - I'll fire him an email in a bit thing is I'll be at console some 10 minutes past the austrian-10am	[06:51]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 20:24:24 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, come to think about it, see if guy is avail for a conf tomorrow morning say 10 to 11 osterreich time ?	[06:51]
* diana_coman	is still eating the logs	[06:51]
diana_coman:	email sent, will continue reading the logs	[06:59]
diana_coman:	!!up maxim_mivo	[08:10]
deedbot:	maxim_mivo voiced for 30 minutes.	[08:10]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: you can !!up with deedbot yourself and then it's permanent rather than in 30min slots	[08:10]
maxim_mivo:	Diana, thanks, done.	[08:20]
diana_coman:	still waiting for MP atm.	[08:22]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: do you offer colo in Chisinau only or in Romania too or where?	[08:23]
maxim_mivo:	diana_coman: we offer colocation in Chisinau only.	[08:26]
maxim_mivo:	Except colocation, all our services are available in Romania, Iasi.	[08:26]
diana_coman:	mivocloud.com seems to say moscow & oregon too - is that outdated ?	[08:27]
maxim_mivo:	We provide virtual servers also in USA (Oregon, Missouri) and Moscow	[08:28]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: but do you have infrastructure there ?	[08:28]
maxim_mivo:	No	[08:29]
diana_coman:	ok so you have the infrastructure in Chisinau only correct?	[08:29]
maxim_mivo:	We have our infrastructure in Chisinau and Iasi	[08:30]
diana_coman:	ah, good.	[08:30]
maxim_mivo:	Both DCs are interconnected	[08:30]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: do they have any separate net pipes? or is it basically the same if I get a server in Iasi or in Chisinau?	[08:31]
* diana_coman	waves to mp_en_viaje	[08:32]
maxim_mivo:	Separate uplinks	[08:32]
diana_coman:	not bad	[08:32]
mp_en_viaje:	heya!	[08:32]
mp_en_viaje:	hi maxim_mivo , thanks for showing up.	[08:32]
maxim_mivo:	Hi mp_en_viaje, you're welcome.	[08:33]
mp_en_viaje:	so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ?	[08:33]
maxim_mivo:	FIY: i speak romanian, but if other people read this, it's ok to continue in english.	[08:33]
mp_en_viaje:	yes, lots of people read it. and good for you, i also speak romanian. and spanish. and well.. a few langs. testament of an active intelligence.	[08:34]
maxim_mivo:	mp_en_viaje: so do you have any idea what ~any of this is or notrly ? What do you mean ?	[08:35]
* diana_coman	would really rather not talk data centre stuff in Latin	[08:35]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, i mean, you're here. where is "here" ? you're talking to some people. who are they ? that sort of thing.	[08:36]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, apparently my questions get ever better in terms of wtf factor as time goes by huh.	[08:37]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: kind of how it goes, ~always there's more actual history accumulated, after all.	[08:38]
mp_en_viaje:	true	[08:38]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, you're not required to ad-hoc research lol, if you say "no" i'll just give you a summary you can fill out later if/when	[08:41]
maxim_mivo:	I don't any searches. Just waiting for questions.	[08:42]
maxim_mivo:	I have 20 more minutes to stay with you here guys.	[08:42]
mp_en_viaje:	alight, let's make it short then.	[08:42]
mp_en_viaje:	the top node is the most serene republic, which is a sovereign. like say the country of romania.	[08:43]
mp_en_viaje:	this is its forum, the people-who-matter meet here to discuss things-that-matter. like say the parliament of romania.	[08:43]
mp_en_viaje:	as it happens the republic ran an isp out of a datacenter in uruguay, which recently imploded. this means we have a bunch of boxes that need a new home, and some people who possibly need a new job.	[08:44]
mp_en_viaje:	so the questions to you will come on three lines. 1 as to colocation and related 2 as to human resources and related, and 3 as to interoperation with republican systems and practices.	[08:45]
mp_en_viaje:	so let's get to them in order : we have specific boxes configurations, including custom-made hardware such as the fg. i understand you can actually colocate these ?	[08:45]
maxim_mivo:	What does "fg" mean ?	[08:46]
mp_en_viaje:	it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down	[08:46]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: maxim_mivo there's at least the pic lol http://trilema.com/2017/fuckgoats-unboxing-of/	[08:47]
mp_en_viaje:	http://trilema.com/2016/fuckgoats-first-batch-assembles-successfully/ << here's some more yeah	[08:47]
maxim_mivo:	Should we know what that boxes do ?	[08:47]
mp_en_viaje:	nsa, short for No Such lAbs, is the republic's electronic mfg.	[08:47]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, all sorta thing, there's a mmorpg game server, there's a bunch of complciated math machines (ever heard of phuctor ?), there's blogs, irc loggers,	[08:48]
mp_en_viaje:	all sorta shit people do / need / built over time.	[08:48]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: the fg is a hardware rng and it can be connected to any USB port but for colocated machines it will most likely be inside already ie not an external thing	[08:49]
maxim_mivo:	OK, got it, we can colocate them.	[08:51]
mp_en_viaje:	now, for the sake of saving time, let's dump questions :	[08:52]
mp_en_viaje:	1. boxes take ~250W peak iirc, and are 1U form. there's prolly gonna be 3-4 to start with. can you host these, how do you need to receive them (fedex to whom/where specifically ?), what sorta pipe can you plug into them and for what costs.	[08:52]
mp_en_viaje:	2. do you want another employee ? he's hardworking and learns fast if not particularly well versed right now some kind of apprenticeship is probably on the table.	[08:52]
mp_en_viaje:	3. will you be able to invoice me via deedbot's sytem ? do you understand what the wot is and how it works etc ?	[08:52]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ?	[08:53]
maxim_mivo:	1. We can host them. You'll have to send them to our business address (i'll provide it), declare the customs price and pay the taxes for our customs. The colo price includes 100mbps internet with unlimited bandwidth.	[08:57]
maxim_mivo:	2. We don't hire remote workers. Plus every our employee must speak english, russian and romanian. Basicaly every IT man here in Moldova speaks that languages. I assume your doesn't.	[08:58]
maxim_mivo:	3. What payment method will you use ?	[08:59]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, wouldn't be remote, he'd move there. speaks english an' spanish.	[09:00]
mp_en_viaje:	all payment in bitcoin, it looks like this : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=!!pay&chan=trilema	[09:01]
maxim_mivo:	Sorry, russian, english and romanian are a must.	[09:01]
mp_en_viaje:	alright.	[09:01]
mp_en_viaje:	never thought i'd live to see the day speaking romanian's a bar to anything o.O	[09:01]
maxim_mivo:	Our romanian and moldovan customers don't speak in english with us.	[09:02]
mp_en_viaje:	well yes, but conceivably being an internet business you might benefit from wider language cover.	[09:03]
mp_en_viaje:	i dunno, your castle, run it as you please.	[09:03]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: deedbot does more than just voice in chan specifically here, it provides a wallet service for people in the wot ie you can deposit/withdraw bitcoin from/to any address you want + you can invoice & pay invoices between wallets directly for any amount.	[09:03]
diana_coman:	ofc the help page is on trinque.org that seems also down, ugh.	[09:04]
mp_en_viaje:	was trinque in uy too ?!	[09:04]
mp_en_viaje:	i recall him not wanting to eggbasket	[09:04]
diana_coman:	I thought he wasn't but atm I can't access trinque.org nor http://deedbot.org/help.html	[09:04]
mp_en_viaje:	http://wot.deedbot.org/ << no, it's up	[09:04]
diana_coman:	that one yes the help though not.	[09:04]
diana_coman:	or not from here at least	[09:04]
mp_en_viaje:	http://deedbot.org/help.html	[09:05]
mp_en_viaje:	i see it.	[09:05]
diana_coman:	so then it's only me, ok.	[09:05]
mp_en_viaje:	http://archive.is/1ydLc << fresh copy anyways	[09:05]
maxim_mivo:	Sorry, guys. I don't have time to read all your WoT things (no offense).	[09:05]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, no problem.	[09:05]
mp_en_viaje:	http://trinque.org/wp-content/themes/trinque/style.css << i see the problem now. your browser prolly hangs on this diana_coman i have ly set to just ignore	[09:06]
maxim_mivo:	Does your wallet support to transfer funds to a BTC address ? (i saw on the link you provided it transfers to nicknames).	[09:06]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, yup, !!withdraw 1blablabla	[09:06]
diana_coman:	maxim_mivo: yes, it does you can withdraw the funds to any btc address ie you receive it in your own deedbot wallet and then you can !!withdraw to anywhere	[09:06]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-search?q=!!withdraw&chan=trilema << looks like that.	[09:07]
maxim_mivo:	When paying the invoice, you'll see a BTC address where you have to transfer the payment.	[09:07]
mp_en_viaje:	it also has built-in accounting (!!ledger) etc. it's quite useful, and in any case better than some website whatever.	[09:07]
mp_en_viaje:	maxim_mivo, specifically what i'm asking is if you'll do it here rather than have me load some website.	[09:07]
maxim_mivo:	I don't think that's possible.	[09:08]
mp_en_viaje:	aite well.	[09:08]
mp_en_viaje:	thanks for your time.	[09:08]
maxim_mivo:	Is there anything more i can help you with ?	[09:09]
mp_en_viaje:	i don't think so, nope.	[09:09]
maxim_mivo:	OK, it was a pleasure to talk to you. Have a nice day.	[09:09]
* diana_coman	goes back to searching for isp	[09:11]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942033 << maybe. nfi why people are so married to their ad-hocisms, but as a factual matter -- they are.	[09:12]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:25:55 asciilifeform: lobbes: afaik the only promising parking atm.	[09:12]
diana_coman:	quite possibly because of uninterrupted bad-experience with anything else previously really	[09:12]
mp_en_viaje:	quite possibly.	[09:12]
mp_en_viaje:	or if not, because internet age has dawned this solispsistc, single-player-WoWoW thing, "we shall make some statements and proclaiments and expect THE WHOLE WORLD to submit".	[09:13]
diana_coman:	what boggles the mind though is that he'd go to the trouble of coming here for 1 hour or even more if asked but he would turn down several colo boxes rather than set a guy to do !!withdraw	[09:14]
mp_en_viaje:	you see it in rando cuntlets too, "this is not how i stated i wish to be used".	[09:14]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, the fissure axis seems to be "who's in charge". came here tarabostes wasn't about to walk away knight. reminds me of douchebag dood also	[09:15]
diana_coman:	well, some lines in the sand are perhaps even sane to have but there doesn't seem to be any re-evaluation or anything, extremely rigid in weird places.	[09:15]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: ah, that myeah it did quite start like that indeed.	[09:15]
mp_en_viaje:	o look, http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/?b=Ce%20face&e=lumea#select is in romanian even!	[09:16]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, how to re-evaluate tho if no time to read ? it's a chain.	[09:16]
diana_coman:	had yest in #o a funny guy (not romanian though) who was so very busy studying 20 languages (very rigid program!!!) that he didn't have any time for...communicating	[09:16]
mp_en_viaje:	"no time to read" implicitly includes "i'm done re-evaluatin ganything"	[09:16]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: indeed though it was that "your stuff" pretty much "rigid study languages, no time to communicate" just here it's rigidly sticking boxes in racks, no time to know wtf	[09:17]
mp_en_viaje:	i mean... come, come now, who above me can claim "no time to X" ? here i sit, like last time, in a bed surrounded by mirrors, MAKING time.	[09:17]
mp_en_viaje:	cuz, elementarily, if i didn't make it, i wouldn't have it. i can certainly eat, drink and make merry back to back for the remainder of my days wut.	[09:18]
mp_en_viaje:	but i have time to read shaw's deeply inept attempt, like i have time to all sorta things. not because "there's nothing else on tv" anyway, wtf, there was literal parade of sluts, came naked through hotel to see maybe i have time for kitty ? as it happens i didn't. will, later, defo. what can you do.	[09:19]
mp_en_viaje:	MAKE time or no time.	[09:19]
diana_coman:	that much though is true for anyone ie either they make time for x or they..don't have it and yes, they can eat and drink until they die (though as the line goes, that'll come quickly)	[09:20]
mp_en_viaje:	but i don't deem the people with no time as having a life. because wtf life is that, circumvectamur amore.	[09:20]
mp_en_viaje:	o hai there hanbot_abroad	[09:21]
hanbot_abroad:	howdy. voiced to say you make time for what's important nothing's important in a system devoid of meaning because everything from god to a cheeseburger has the same weight and emotional relevancy and etc.	[09:21]
mp_en_viaje:	this'd be so.	[09:22]
mp_en_viaje:	no hierarchy -> no time, just as elementarily.	[09:22]
mp_en_viaje:	implicitly what i aimed to resolve with my structured summary in the introduction. but, self-evidently, if no hirarchy -> no meaning -> no possible introduction etc.	[09:22]
hanbot_abroad:	unfortunately also --> no regrets, which means no change, and meanwhile i walk away from reading that convo with the sole conclusion people oughta lose a toe at the start of discussions.	[09:23]
mp_en_viaje:	whatever, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942236 rules all things.	[09:23]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:03:58 mp_en_viaje: i dunno, your castle, run it as you please.	[09:23]
mp_en_viaje:	goes deeper than oft realised, you've got a life, that's all you get, do as you will, gl&all that.	[09:23]
* mp_en_viaje	is not particularly keen to look back however many years hence "fuuu... if only i had time!".	[09:24]
hanbot_abroad:	sure sure, run it as they please, but don't call it something it's not. plenty of grottenbahnschlossen scattered around not calling themselves Serious Businesses.	[09:24]
mp_en_viaje:	hanbot_abroad, historical mafia came up with ~same conclusion.	[09:24]
diana_coman:	it would be the keks of time if now the singaporean very-tightly-process-no-idea-outside guys actually manage to pass the hurdle and accept payment via deedbot	[09:27]
diana_coman:	by now I'll try it anyway	[09:27]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942040 << to be clear, i'm not against this or anything. it doesn't solve my problem, but that doesn't mean it can't solve anyone else's.	[09:27]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:27:22 lobbes: I may look into getting another box from them myself gonna need another home for blog / auctionbot and would rather not hang everything on my usg hoster	[09:27]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, do.	[09:28]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?	[09:29]
diana_coman:	fwiw re moldavians, I intend to keep the logger there they did shoot themselves in the foot and so I won't add to that what I planned, but I won't move it away either.	[09:29]
mp_en_viaje:	yet this is how business, and for that matter adult life, goes. ALL the fucking time, i saw people much smarter than me, richer than me, taller, prettier, whatever you will, " driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women etc" because of this and naught else.	[09:30]
diana_coman:	the way I see it, atm a logger is just about what they can handle anyways.	[09:30]
mp_en_viaje:	besides, why deny ourselves the benefit of diversity just because definitionally diversity not homogenuous ? it'd be folly writ large.	[09:30]
mp_en_viaje:	"i want a diverse bevy of nubile young sluts looking just like this one"	[09:31]
diana_coman:	yes, the need for diversity lends them a good hand currently.	[09:31]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942049 << haha woot! well done. to think... that worked out better than "buying house" then!	[09:32]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:32:39 lobbes: I bought my first coin for ~$20 back in 2013 or abouts, then hung onto it for dear life. Almost lost it in a tardstalk scam, but luckily read hanbot's ancient writings found this place in time	[09:32]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942059 << wasn't early. "solidcoin" lulz was early, this dude was with the "ehtereum"/mit labs crew.	[09:34]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:37:37 asciilifeform: lobbes: nao-forgotten d00d wrote a sort of early premined shitcoin, 'urbit', and asciilifeform won one as a prize in a contest he had. is what this was.	[09:34]
mp_en_viaje:	anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas".	[09:35]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942061 << this is not even far off much like saying "the cost of eating fastfood as a teen is the health bills as an older adult, not the 99 cents they charge at the clown's mouth"	[09:36]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:39:13 asciilifeform: so normally i see it as 'non-renewable resource', like to sell organs.	[09:36]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942062 << the uy nonsense caught you just right huh!	[09:38]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:40:13 asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform was building boxen, so managed to not only burn most of coin stash on it, but fiatola saving also.	[09:38]
diana_coman:	o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated take that asciilifeform !	[09:40]
mp_en_viaje:	ha!	[09:40]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942075 << this is kinda why before the "we can't talk to people" fire started raging, the design for pizarro was to do multiple dcs.	[09:41]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 22:01:04 asciilifeform: lobbes: i expect if we all park in same cage , will end in same tears .	[09:41]
mp_en_viaje:	but yes, in general, dumping everything into one rack is unsanitary.	[09:41]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942080 << hey, i'm already missing it.	[09:42]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 22:08:54 asciilifeform: will miss the golden time of when could put a box in a locking cage where only l1 human , rather than dirty paws of heathens, will lay on it	[09:42]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942085 << hanbot_abroad check it out, this got a plural meanwhile.	[09:43]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 22:25:11 asciilifeform: off to pet pets. bbl.	[09:43]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942089 << ah so basically, pizarro owns the two smg machines. yes, this checks out with our accounting here.	[09:43]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 22:46:42 BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2019#2561204 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind	[09:43]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, do we have backups or do we need them ? if we need them ima have the disks mailed, but if not, i'd much rather have BingoBoingo destroy them.	[09:44]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: before asking to destroy, I'd much rather go through the steps of actually restoring from existing backups though ie yes, backups we certainly have but I wouldn't push destroy button just yet if it's not burning hot.	[09:45]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942095 << holy shit wtf muppetry is all this already. https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK screenshot of a java-run console emulator wtf omfg kill it with fire. AND the unquotable line shows... exactly what we were discussing. they capped out at 4Mbps and thassit.	[09:47]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 23:39:14 BingoBoingo: Oscar did send some new graphs. One seems to show a lot of traffic hitting Latecho near, but not inside out block. https://ibb.co/MBCdf6X https://ibb.co/4NdZGcV https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK https://ibb.co/zQHs76v	[09:47]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ?	[09:47]
mp_en_viaje:	anyways, ima get some bfast here, we can continue this in a few.	[09:48]
diana_coman:	mp_en_viaje: my latest db backup on production server is from Saturday (5th October) apparently the Sunday one didn't make it through.	[10:07]
diana_coman:	I doubt it makes any difference though ie it was just me and dpb connected and neither of us active otherwise.	[10:08]
diana_coman:	the website's backup is fully fine (ie from the shared pizarro machine nothing's needed for smg)	[10:08]
diana_coman:	both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on) for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today"	[10:10]
diana_coman:	BingoBoingo: my younghands.club backups are fine too so I can confirm I don't need anything from the shared machine re younghands.club either.	[10:18]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942101 << notwithstanding the resistance of the medium always wins in the end, i'm sure you could.	[14:06]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:11:21 lobbes: it is easy to look at, say MP, and go "well I'll never even be close to doing the things he does", but to me BingoBoingo's story is uniquely inspirational in that folx like myself can go "well, he made the jump into uncharted waters. He built something even if the resistance of the medium won in the end. Why couldn't I also build something?"	[14:06]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942110 << hey, the week after being threatened with being left behind in her streetwalker outfit for failing to read cyrillics, bimbo got in trouble for not knowing german.	[14:09]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:27:09 BingoBoingo: She's been working on getting some English language, but ripping her out of the Spanish language space and bringing her to eastern Europe and Slavic languages to get colocated with me near another datacenter... When the necessity of spreading seems to have been one of the lessons... It seems a bit much.	[14:09]
mp_en_viaje:	asking too much of your women is not nearly as bad as not asking enough.	[14:10]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942119 << i loled.	[14:12]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:41:26 asciilifeform: ( what to do there, is separate q, if i knew i'd buy for self also ! )	[14:12]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942127 << nothing wrong with that.	[14:14]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:47:33 asciilifeform: the specific flavour of x86 boxen asciilifeform is partial to, has become a rarity, and imho worth to recover all of it for reuse.	[14:14]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942129 << wait, wtf, i'm a shareholder now ? when the fuck did that happen, i have no record of owning any equity	[14:14]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:49:46 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942089 << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use .	[14:14]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 01:46:08 BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-07-oct-2019#2561204 << S.MG was to buy the two machines through payment of machines in kind	[14:14]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942135 << well, i don't particularly wanna ship these to cr i suppose we're uncovering a storage problem here ?	[14:16]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 00:54:20 asciilifeform: imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' .	[14:16]
mp_en_viaje:	is the idea you're actually packing to move out of us or what exactly is the underlying unspoken content ?	[14:16]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942140 << who designated it anyways ?	[14:18]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 01:00:43 asciilifeform: y'know, the designated spot where a pauper paups.	[14:18]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase.	[14:21]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 01:09:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw piz was to be also asciilifeform's escape tunnel, but dug not even 1% of it, so is the smallest loss.	[14:21]
mp_en_viaje:	which here was about six months ? a year ?	[14:21]
mp_en_viaje:	you're quick to remember eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941028 but not similarly quick to remember how exactly that came to be, namely that we had a supply run all scheduled and you twattled and twittled for SO FUCKING LONG it missed the window. remember, phf was gonna go, etc ?	[14:25]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-06 15:29:42 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3	[14:25]
mp_en_viaje:	sure, "not 1% dug". if you take forever to do anything, you'll never have done anything at any point, it's the way this works. gotta move fast and act decisively to get anywhere and no, this comes with no guarantee you'll get anywhere you wanted to go in the first place.	[14:26]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942304 << It's almost Rioplatense	[14:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?	[14:28]
BingoBoingo:	<BingoBoingo> http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942315 << Scammed really early. Remerged sometime after I showed up with an EXCHANGE for his vaporware coin. SOLD his exchange on "written in C++	[14:28]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:36:07 mp_en_viaje: anyoen recall the solidcoin btw ? such fucking great early-usg retardation, it was phenomenal. the empire of idiots is really following in some glorious footsteps with their genius "ideas".	[14:28]
mp_en_viaje:	you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) i i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the climate, etcetera	[14:28]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, yes but his whinings were the stuff of legend. "SOLIDCOIN WIL LTAKE OVER!!!"	[14:29]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: AHA, During both of his appearances	[14:30]
mp_en_viaje:	ye	[14:30]
BingoBoingo:	All caps, all the time, 1998-2005-ish "Real ultimate Ninja" style copy all the time	[14:31]
diana_coman:	after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever.	[14:31]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942166 << seems this worked out alright in the end!	[14:31]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 03:52:09 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941886 - I'll fire him an email in a bit thing is I'll be at console some 10 minutes past the austrian-10am	[14:31]
mp_en_viaje:	diana_coman, and we just make the republic girl-only at that juncture also ?	[14:32]
diana_coman:	I keep hoping not...	[14:32]
diana_coman:	but atm I need a home for ossasepia.com and one for younghands.club and Maxim rather pissed me off	[14:33]
mp_en_viaje:	whodda thunk the problem of gender in tech is how to actually get any boys in at all.	[14:33]
mp_en_viaje:	lol why ?	[14:33]
diana_coman:	it's one thing to say he can't this and that it's another thing to piss on business, dunno.	[14:33]
mp_en_viaje:	i dunno dood, nobody's obliged to take money.	[14:34]
diana_coman:	and at any rate, I clearly need to have stuff in more than 1 place, it's not sane to pile it all up in Chisinau as it's not sane to pile it all up anywhere else really	[14:34]
mp_en_viaje:	this is likely.	[14:34]
diana_coman:	sure but then what, am I going to run after him with more money, wtf.	[14:34]
mp_en_viaje:	basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc.	[14:34]
mp_en_viaje:	what can you do.	[14:34]
diana_coman:	quite so, yes.	[14:35]
* diana_coman	will take a break and bbl.	[14:36]
* asciilifeform	eats, slowly, log	[14:37]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942340 << works for me.	[14:40]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 07:10:49 diana_coman: both test and production servers backups seem fine and up to date at a minimal inspection full test means setting them up and there's the involved issue of full environment for them (versions of everything and so on) for this reason I'd say end of this week (Sun 13th) rather than "today"	[14:40]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, will you be able to photodocument the destruction of said drives once you get the ok, currently some point soon after sun 13th ?	[14:40]
mp_en_viaje:	ima of course pay for the damage	[14:43]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942374 << this ftr isn't even that terribru an idea, if my amusement overwhelmed the substance.	[14:43]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:32:06 diana_coman: after going through ~30 pre-selected ISPs and getting more of a headache than anything useful out of it, I'll take a break and a deep breath at this rate I'll end up going to datacentre ~1km from here and at least talk to some idiots face to face rather than via email/chat/whatever.	[14:43]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: where's your current 'here' ? scotland ?	[14:43]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: I will photodocument destruction of everything with destruction requested	[14:45]
mp_en_viaje:	coo	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: see if you can get some magnesium to shave..	[14:45]
asciilifeform:	put in a pot, take to the hinterlands, strip off the plastics, roll camera, light.	[14:46]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942212 << last snapshot of it.	[14:48]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 05:47:08 mp_en_viaje: it's a hardware rng. i'd link you the specsheet / pics etc but atm its site is down	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942259 << damn, broke teeth. was wondering if he would.	[14:48]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:09:01 maxim_mivo: I don't think that's possible.	[14:48]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942304 << asciilifeform dungetit , d00d doesn't like money or wat.	[14:49]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:29:47 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, how does it feel btw, to watch guys supposedly so far ahead in the race it brings tears to a man's eyes, nevertheless stumble over such "nothings" ?	[14:49]
mp_en_viaje:	no, simply thinks theres things moar important than money.	[14:50]
mp_en_viaje:	ideological allignment is no hollow word. it's a thing.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942313 << ended up in it ( where imho he belongs ) but started out a disconnected crackpot in the wild, which is how asciilifeform started reading him then	[14:50]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:35:29 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942059 << wasn't early. "solidcoin" lulz was early, this dude was with the "ehtereum"/mit labs crew.	[14:50]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: indeed a thing, and is why republican-biz is different from arbitrarily 'clever' and 'flexible' etc heathen	[14:51]
mp_en_viaje:	myeah	[14:51]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942335 << ty	[14:51]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:48:16 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, not burning hot, i just want to help him disentangle as much as possible as fast as possible. when can you give an ok here ?	[14:52]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, specifically re urbit, it is very much mit media lab vintage. what blowhard internet media empire antics he indulged before are imo unrelated (and also quite irrelevant)	[14:53]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-06 09:03:39 mp_en_viaje: Hi, Im John D., your father and in this episode of Rated ARM TV, Im gonna tell you the story of how I personally dismantled my own already incredibly awesome life in an attempt to give you, my one and only son a much better one than I had as a child, why it had to be done, and why this type of sacrificial behavior is one of the main ingredients of being A Real Man."	[14:53]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: the 'corporate' product was 100% mitistic aha. i tuned in when was 1 d00d. chronicle piece re subj for anyone who cares.	[14:55]
asciilifeform:	ancient history.	[14:55]
mp_en_viaje:	i still dont perceive the difference between above quited john d. and historical curtis y, or tucker m. or etc. this may be a failure of my differentiator, but w/e.	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942320 << if they're un-fritzchipped (i.e. pre-2014) opterons, and sans-ipmi, i'ma be impressed. but even any kinda opteron offer -- rare nowadays .	[14:57]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:41:12 diana_coman: o.O there's at least one isp in bucharest actually offering an AMD Opteron dedicated take that asciilifeform !	[14:57]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942351 << snsa's share .	[14:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:15:24 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942129 << wait, wtf, i'm a shareholder now ? when the fuck did that happen, i have no record of owning any equity	[14:58]
mp_en_viaje:	i am vaguely miffed in that i gave the dood his real name back and he never as much as acknowledged this service but then again such idiocy is typically common for the cuckbois.	[14:59]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Since Intel own-goaled on the optimizations thing and Intel lost the speed war, the NuOpterons have been selling	[14:59]
mp_en_viaje:	at least girls have enough sense to "oh, thank you for making me go naked the first time, AND THEREBY GIVING ME MY OWN BODY BACK"	[14:59]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: afaik selling mostly in konsoomer space. i've yet to see'em offered in racks.	[14:59]
mp_en_viaje:	but it takes about three and a half females to centrifuge enough stupid to make one makle.	[14:59]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, how did snsa end up owning part of pizarro ?	[15:00]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: FG crate + 2 machines (the very smg machines in fact) were the payment.	[15:01]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Not equity. S.NSA holds pizarro debt for the FG and machines	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: do you have the log piece handy ?	[15:01]
mp_en_viaje:	either you provide some link or ima have to go fishing for wtf happened here.	[15:01]
* BingoBoingo	to fish	[15:01]
mp_en_viaje:	ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[15:01]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942354 << i dun mind storing'em, just like didn't mind before they went to BingoBoingostan. they occupy only a briefcase. but also imho would be a shame to lose'em just because asciilifeform is gassed. ( and at some pt ~will~ be gassed, does not have a plan for to escape )	[15:02]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:16:43 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942135 << well, i don't particularly wanna ship these to cr i suppose we're uncovering a storage problem here ?	[15:02]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, they will be gassed with anyway, ima just have to have someone else remake 'em.	[15:02]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942357 << in the olden days, priests designated. today/usa moar complicated, but very similar process.	[15:02]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:19:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942140 << who designated it anyways ?	[15:02]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, so if your top nodes are designated by w/e priests, what are you bothering me for ?	[15:03]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you've the complete plans, so can remake. but is fiddly process, likely to take a while.	[15:03]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i dunget ?	[15:03]
mp_en_viaje:	which part ?	[15:03]
asciilifeform:	'top nodes..'	[15:03]
BingoBoingo:	http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785997	[15:03]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: echoing loggers pleeez	[15:03]
mp_en_viaje:	you said "my place is ordained here" i asked who ordained. you said "priests". this begs the question, why are you here ?	[15:03]
mp_en_viaje:	if your lookup system includes a different top node, then why bother with this ?	[15:04]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform described before, that does not know a profession that would allow him not only to eat, but sufficient dough+time to do anyffing meaningful, in arbitrary island.	[15:05]
mp_en_viaje:	this has no bearing.	[15:05]
BingoBoingo:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-02-25#1785997	[15:05]
ossabot:	Logged on 2018-02-25 11:38:23 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about you lot take three dozen FGs at .45 ? (cash or at your option .5 BTC worth of convertible bonds for s.nsa).	[15:05]
mp_en_viaje:	BingoBoingo, indeed.	[15:05]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942359 << what would a full crate delivered to a dead cage have done ? ( other than to make asciilifeform completely, rather than near-completely, broke ) ?	[15:07]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:22:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942155 << yeah, was remarkably slow. you're a master at discounting time-cost and time-risk, but consider : the probability of something like latechco weird occuring JUST AS you were preparing a supply run increases linearily with the amount of time you spend in that phase.	[15:07]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, look, when discussion re "why don't you sell" is brought, you run under http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941047 but when discussion is brought to how "you were prepping this what to sell for 1yr+, of course something was bound to happen in that sorta interval", you aim to run under "what was i gonna do, something eventually did happen"	[15:08]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-06 15:33:24 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell.	[15:08]
mp_en_viaje:	sure, eventually did happen.	[15:08]
asciilifeform:	would've made 0 diff in re the specific bullet.	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	other than 3x moar pissed off subscribers.	[15:09]
mp_en_viaje:	how long have you "not had what to sell" ?	[15:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: since last rk sold. which is iirc august.	[15:09]
mp_en_viaje:	and before that, had one rk ?	[15:10]
asciilifeform:	aha ( BingoBoingo , say if this correct )	[15:10]
mp_en_viaje:	well, either one or the other of the statements is false. either you did not sell because idiots or else did not sell because had not to sell. if the latter's the case, you had not to sell because you took your sweet time.	[15:11]
asciilifeform:	'took sweet time' lol. asciilifeform -- is inmate, in fucking gulag. gets 2w of leave / yr .	[15:11]
mp_en_viaje:	but be all this as it may, not like you're not paying for it : the longer you spend prone, the likelier you get hurt.	[15:11]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: not disputing the general principle. but finding it difficult to see how would have made a diff re the latech thing.	[15:12]
mp_en_viaje:	jaywaling in 3 seconds is a lot more feasible than jaywalking in 3 days -- even the most deserted roads get a coupla cars / week	[15:12]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942369 << BingoBoingo correct if wrong , but asciilifeform's impression is that BingoBoingo wants to stay not 'for chix' but simply not wants to go back to gulag. which imho is entirely reasonable .	[15:13]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:29:36 mp_en_viaje: you never know what you get. BingoBoingo went to uy to make a dc and apparently wants to stay for some chick ~from peru~ (who guaranteedly didn't go there to meet a gringo from the greater chicagoland areamasssurface) i [http://trilema.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/?b=I%20went%20to&e=things%20change#select][i went to costa rica for pride and stayed for the cli	[15:13]
BingoBoingo:	In fiatardation and "targeted sanctions": Adobe canceled their software subscriptions to all customers with Vzla billing addresses, no refunds.	[15:13]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: someone in that orcistan ~paid~ for adobe?!	[15:13]
mp_en_viaje:	keks, because "not a country no more" ?	[15:13]
asciilifeform:	whythefuck would anyone ~pay~ for it	[15:13]
asciilifeform:	it's like paying for winblows	[15:14]
asciilifeform:	ever met anyone who paid for winblows?!	[15:14]
mp_en_viaje:	sure.	[15:14]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Mostly don't want to go back to the Zone. Chick is a part that weighs in favor of LATAM as preferred area out of zone.	[15:14]
asciilifeform:	asciilifeform -- met, but never imagined anyone outside of usatardia 'corporate' ever has.	[15:15]
mp_en_viaje:	im sure all the miamists in shitole, anywhere buy apple whatever.	[15:15]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if you get chance to take up ex-sovokistans , i recc to take it. they're a higher cut of orc imho .	[15:16]
mp_en_viaje:	pretty sure i put this in the log somewhere, about how all the bums collect artefacts, even if broken, to stroke their spurious feelings of belonging	[15:16]
mp_en_viaje:	i wouldn't agree, having been there recently.	[15:16]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: you had a piece with gypsy sewer bunker and old sovok phone.	[15:16]
mp_en_viaje:	ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire.	[15:16]
* BingoBoingo	remembers seeing Windows 95 rollout at the local walmart. People saying "Oh, this is going to be like cars with new models denominated always and forever by model year"	[15:16]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i liked ro moar than uy but possibly am alone in this.	[15:16]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, sovok world is belarus, ukraina, kazahstan etc	[15:17]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: formally yes. i'm counting all the places where father parachuted tho.	[15:17]
mp_en_viaje:	sure, mitteleuropa not bad.	[15:18]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942387 << this indeed so, and dark age returneth.	[15:18]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:35:25 mp_en_viaje: basically, failure of republic as such to have isp now forced all lords to have private isp, for more cost and more wasted effort and etc.	[15:18]
mp_en_viaje:	whatevs, just raises the bar to lordship some more.	[15:19]
* asciilifeform	aint even sure if he 'believes in isp' any moar. there may not be such a thing as a 'safe basket for 9000 eggs'	[15:19]
BingoBoingo:	<mp_en_viaje> ex sovok slightly lower cut of orc than ex-spanish empire. << The diversity of Latin folk here creates spaces where not everything is pure resistance all the time.	[15:20]
mp_en_viaje:	i was deeply unimpressed with the rusland orclettes. yes, tall and slender, but no tits no ass, dumber than fucking rocks in any case. latinas at least have some vague notions of functional social insertion, but the radiocontaminated remnants of that fallen empire are pretty much exactly the white trash except vastly pretentious and deeply unexperienced with what be	[15:23]
mp_en_viaje:	ignm as poor as they are actuallty means in practice	[15:23]
mp_en_viaje:	because stronger fambly insulates them as its ~only output.	[15:24]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje's reqs might differ from BingoBoingo's , but i've nfi	[15:24]
mp_en_viaje:	i guess.	[15:25]
* BingoBoingo	notices Uruguay selects for immigrants willing to at least physicly separate from extended family constraint	[15:25]
asciilifeform:	probably to ask asciilifeform 'where good orcistans' is like to ask dog re what good to eat. asciilifeform liked even argentina .	[15:25]
* BingoBoingo	has met sufficient Porteños to support MP's damnation of Argentina.	[15:26]
mp_en_viaje:	anyway, point being, i wouldn't buy a truckload of sovok importa for ten dollars.	[15:26]
mp_en_viaje:	imports*	[15:26]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: naturally i believe mp_en_viaje, who did 2+yr tour. speaking of only what saw with own eyes.	[15:26]
mp_en_viaje:	asciilifeform, the problem with pollution is such, that any movement is helpful -- the great boon from escaping the toxin cocktail you're already overthelmed by will overpower on the short term any shortcomings	[15:27]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i buy this 100%	[15:28]
mp_en_viaje:	man who came in from the cold might even think zyklon "showers" pleasant smelling for a spell	[15:28]
asciilifeform:	simply coming out of the gulag is unspeakable 'trip', aha	[15:28]
asciilifeform:	if asciilifeform had sat in e.g. argentina long enuff to need, say, a tooth fixed, prolly would have immediately seen same light that mp_en_viaje saw	[15:29]
mp_en_viaje:	anyway. i shall bbl	[15:30]
asciilifeform:	some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there.	[15:30]
asciilifeform:	( it wasn't any worse than usa's chicago tho. )	[15:31]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942327 << sometimes there is cat.	[15:38]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:43:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942085 << hanbot_abroad check it out, this got a plural meanwhile.	[15:38]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942344 << lol, i thought you didn't let'em off leash until they knew local lang	[15:39]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:10:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942110 << hey, the week after being threatened with being left behind in her streetwalker outfit for failing to read cyrillics, bimbo got in trouble for not knowing german.	[15:39]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: seems like the FGs will be going here, plox to obtain a suitable crate, i'ma gpg addr later today	[15:41]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: come to think of it, better 2-3 crates than 1.	[15:41]
asciilifeform:	eggs/baskets.	[15:42]
* asciilifeform	also bbl.	[15:44]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942225 << dulap -- yes, would like to spend some time w/ it ( it needs new disks, and prolly ducts to be cleaned ) but as for the other boxen, oughta ask their operators where they want'em to go.	[16:24]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 05:54:07 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, will you want the boxes shipped over to you first to inspect seals and so on ?	[16:24]
asciilifeform:	esp. since the moldavian fella's candidacy fell down. may be a while before a destination is found .	[16:25]
* asciilifeform	again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.	[16:26]
asciilifeform:	i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.	[16:27]
asciilifeform:	the smg boxen (already FG'd etc) i expect diana_coman will want sent straight to where they are to live again. and meanwhile they will go under BingoBoingo's bed or similar.	[16:29]
asciilifeform:	re mod6's and trinque's , is necessary to ask'em , meanwhile also with BingoBoingo .	[16:29]
asciilifeform:	re smg again -- if diana_coman wants cleaning/redisking/inspection, i'll do it , but oughta keep in mind that if they visit usa there is moar likely to be what to inspect for in 1st place, obv.	[16:34]
asciilifeform:	as i understand, diana_coman has asked for the old disks to be cremated, so the smg boxes will need redisking, but potentially this could be done on-site where they are to go	[16:35]
asciilifeform:	the spread of the impi retardation among heathens is potential problem: would have to either swallow it (i disabled in all of these) or find someone who , like the moldavian, is willing to serialport ( dun solve the problem of os installation tho, to such a place would have to ship'em with disks containing something resembling os )	[16:37]
asciilifeform:	in piz, we solved this by having kvm device in the rack. apparently heathens no longer keep these around, near as i can tell.	[16:38]
asciilifeform:	( 'just use ipmi, what are you, terrorist ? ' etc )	[16:38]
asciilifeform:	see also .	[16:39]
ossabot:	(ossasepia) 2019-09-27 maxim_mivo: We don't offer a KVM service since all our servers are equipped with an OOB Managment module (iDRAC, IPMI, iLO, etc.)	[16:39]
asciilifeform:	maintenance (of e.g. box that somehow got misconfigged and can't sit down on net) via serial plug is possible , but not os install.	[16:39]
asciilifeform:	for os, we had a BingoBoingo who physically soldiered in the rack w/ boot sticks etc.	[16:40]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo have you thought about where to put qntra ? i already miss qntra .	[16:43]
asciilifeform:	would like to see it return asap.	[16:43]
asciilifeform:	nao, to continue the funeral, at some pt shareholders will have to decide what-do re the remaining pieces, incl. coin. specifically, how much to burn on attempting orc lawsuit etc.	[16:44]
asciilifeform:	and BingoBoingo will have to decide wat-do re the crater. at the very least must get out of the latech contract, or may have to evacuate on short notice .	[16:44]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: customers will have to get pro-rated refunds, iirc buncha folx refueled just week ago.	[16:50]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: rk's i suggest to be offered to their current inhabitants for cost of postage. ( and if anyone would rather have the disk stick cremated, oughta indicate, and it then added to the pyre ) . the rk's per se have no writable storage aside from the sd & stick .	[16:52]
asciilifeform:	folx who want live disks mailed, are to understand that the integrity of their contents cannot be guaranteed.	[16:54]
asciilifeform:	raid arrays (e.g. asciilifeform's) i recommend to be mailed in N separate envelopes.	[16:54]
asciilifeform:	a 'last hurrah' of the raid5 functionality.	[16:55]
asciilifeform:	anyone who has something other than a raid5 and wants disks mailed, plox to indicate.	[16:55]
asciilifeform:	as for why anyone would want an rk back -- potentially could colo'em , if you buy a 19in box (20bux or so) . most colo outfits dun give a damn what you colo so long as it hangs on the rail .	[17:01]
asciilifeform:	will of course cost like any other box .	[17:02]
asciilifeform:	they have quite respectable performance, for e.g. blog and nuffin intelistic inside'em. Gb nic, too.	[17:03]
asciilifeform:	storage aint restricted to thumb-sized stick, either -- at least 1 subscriber iirc had a full-sized 'samsung' ssd plugged in via snake.	[17:04]
asciilifeform:	iirc at least 1 had a trb noad going on rk .	[17:09]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Aite, I acquired ratcheting straps for the hand truck. About to get some boxes out.	[17:15]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: use that suitcase you had as cushion (or i suppose could take cab)	[17:21]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if you roll'em 'naked' on a wheelbarrow, are likely to suffer the fate of harrison's 1st chronometer.	[17:22]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Will use some sort of cushion. The full sized boxes are too large for any suitcase I brought to Uruguay. Hence the value of your ancient giants.	[17:26]
asciilifeform:	aite.	[17:33]
asciilifeform:	i rec cab for movement of these.	[17:34]
asciilifeform:	rather than wheelbarrow 3km.	[17:34]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Reasonably smooth .6 km path. Will cab if proceeding delicately on foot is unfeasible.	[17:37]
asciilifeform:	aite. would be a shame to lose opterons on acct of skimping 5 $ of cab tho.	[17:38]
BingoBoingo:	Aite.	[17:41]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942333 << ftr i found it impossible to determine ~anyffin from the given photos.	[17:45]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:47:49 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942095 << holy shit wtf muppetry is all this already. https://ibb.co/0K2Z4TK screenshot of a java-run console emulator wtf omfg kill it with fire. AND the unquotable line shows... exactly what we were discussing. they capped out at 4Mbps and thassit.	[17:45]
asciilifeform:	seems like (supposing it even makes sense to discuss the output of muppets as if it were a measurement) represents the intake ~after~ it has gone through latech. i.e. the 'they blocked us upstream' story of theirs dun check out.	[17:46]
mod6:	BingoBoingo: Working on some login info for you here...	[17:47]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: These per the narrative I was given were passed by dedicado suggesting we are several layers deep in unsustainable sysco weird.	[17:48]
BingoBoingo:	Hanging off of predictably unresponsive Centurylink, who the probably selected on the basis of "biggest, etc" along	[17:49]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: from what was given, impossible even to say ~how many~ layers !	[17:49]
asciilifeform:	much less ~what~ layers	[17:50]
BingoBoingo:	Indeed	[17:50]
* BingoBoingo	about to roll	[17:50]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: laters then	[17:50]
mod6:	BingoBoingo: http://www.mod6.net/4bb/bb_tbf_piz.txt.asc	[18:11]
* mod6	will bbl	[18:12]
BingoBoingo:	mod6: ty	[18:42]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Dulap and two S.MG machines extracted	[18:42]
asciilifeform:	a++ BingoBoingo	[18:43]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Only folks who said anything were the ones at the building door. Instructed me to use a different exit next time.	[18:44]
mp_en_viaje:	omfg salzburg is a piece of shit	[18:52]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942027 << this strikes me as utterly insane, for a spot of work that in my book counts to about 5 man-hours.	[18:53]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:24:16 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941645 << at my current rate of developing the thing, I will give a tentative estimate of Jan 1st 2020 as delivery date of whole enchilada. I will update this deadline quickly if I see it threatening to be pushed	[18:53]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.	[18:53]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well hopefully sooner.	[18:53]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?	[18:53]
mp_en_viaje:	but, whatevs, what can i do.	[18:53]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942517 << yeh, bucharest is detroit level broken, glassing would improve.	[18:56]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 12:31:23 asciilifeform: some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there.	[18:56]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942531 << why not, specifically ? what are they going to do, at the worst, else/dffferent from orctards in ~selected~ orcland ?	[18:57]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 13:28:26 asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.	[18:57]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: point! difficult to picture how could worse than uy orcs	[18:58]
mp_en_viaje:	right ?	[18:58]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.	[18:59]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 13:27:36 asciilifeform: again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.	[18:59]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: i'ma then investigate .	[19:00]
mp_en_viaje:	at the worst they're giing to "omfg, child porn". which 100% maps to "ddos", orcs just went dumb.	[19:01]
mp_en_viaje:	does anyone give the first shit whether the wardrums go ooga booga or oo-aa ?	[19:01]
mp_en_viaje:	either they behave or they misbehave, how they explain it to themselves is not even interesting to "their' women.	[19:01]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: advantage of local orcs, supposing can agree on price, is that if their park suxx, can walk over and remove in half hr	[19:03]
asciilifeform:	rather than freight mails.	[19:04]
mp_en_viaje:	right.	[19:04]
asciilifeform:	so far seems that signif. higher cost in northern idiotistan, if only on acct of 'buy 1 hole' vs cage . tends around 300-400 $ per .	[19:06]
asciilifeform:	i dunno who these people think they are, to ask for half the cost of a whole flat, for 1u. but so far these.	[19:08]
mp_en_viaje:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942537 << i suppose this'll take moar thinking huh	[19:08]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 13:39:05 asciilifeform: in piz, we solved this by having kvm device in the rack. apparently heathens no longer keep these around, near as i can tell.	[19:08]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.	[19:09]
asciilifeform:	mp_en_viaje: fwiw the 1 i purchased for piz, didn't even occupy a rack slot, it was ultracompact matchbox-cum-wires thing	[19:10]
mp_en_viaje:	there's no real reason it should take a u rly.	[19:11]
asciilifeform:	well that 1 didn't. and only occupied a switch hole even when was operating.	[19:11]
asciilifeform:	( there's 0 reason to leave these hanging 24/7 )	[19:11]
asciilifeform:	ftr i did ~not~ like that kvm tho, needed toilet computer to operate (java shitware client) but exhaustive market survey yielded ~only~ that	[19:12]
asciilifeform:	was used only coupla times, to fiddle bios configs when baked new raid arrays .	[19:14]
asciilifeform:	( for machine setups, preferred to use BingoBoingo as living kvm... )	[19:15]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho .	[19:18]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:59:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.	[19:18]
* BingoBoingo	stretching a bit before I roll again. Tweaked hip a bit unloading cart	[19:18]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: don't break yerself	[19:18]
BingoBoingo:	!o seen trinque	[19:19]
ossabot:	trinque last seen here on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment	[19:19]
asciilifeform:	!o seen-anywhere trinque	[19:20]
ossabot:	trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment	[19:20]
asciilifeform:	fella's gonna come back to a 2MB log read, it seems	[19:21]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: He had a bouncer on UY1	[19:21]
asciilifeform:	i recall	[19:21]
asciilifeform:	his www too .	[19:21]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: For the next three extractions I am leaning towards taking mod6/BTF, trinque, and the shared leaving Qntra/DNS, Rockchip plant, S.NSA vacant, switch, and the bilge box to be extracted	[19:23]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: do the vacant -- last, but otherwise ok	[19:24]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: switch similarly last.	[19:24]
asciilifeform:	boxen belonging to not-piz oughta be rescued 1st.	[19:25]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i assume already extracted all easily-removable disks ?	[19:26]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Right. The ones I haven't yet taken are coming out next trip. Had to get more labeling tape	[19:26]
asciilifeform:	aite.	[19:29]
* BingoBoingo	will probably have to use duffel for RKplane given it's delicacy seems incompatible with ratchet straps and ride	[19:29]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: it weighs what, kg.	[19:29]
asciilifeform:	can carry in lappy bag.	[19:29]
BingoBoingo:	Well, the width makes it a challenge for that. Back bag only so tall. Strongly disinclined to leave it open an take the astronomicly small chance pichi blazed out on pasta base gets unusually curious/bold.	[19:31]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: can retrieve it last, if you must. get the disks labeled and out 1st, they ought fit in pocket.	[19:32]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: rk per se is perhaps the least expensive piece in there, asciilifeform for instance is sitting on a crate of 16 new ones right here and presently nfi what to do with'em	[19:33]
BingoBoingo:	Aite	[19:33]
asciilifeform:	important to get the disks tho, the rk people may want'em.	[19:33]
asciilifeform:	wb mp_en_viaje	[19:34]
mp_en_viaje:	aite well, shall be off for the night.	[19:35]
asciilifeform:	goodnight mp_en_viaje	[19:35]
mp_en_viaje:	:p	[19:35]
BingoBoingo:	mp_en_viaje: Enjoy	[19:35]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: dunno, maybe s.nsa could sell hardware including rk plants? for me asciilifeform-seal is worth something really.	[19:35]
* diana_coman	goes to eat some log	[19:36]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i'd happily sell. but who to buy...	[19:37]
asciilifeform:	and ty diana_coman , i did not know that you esteemed the seal.	[19:38]
* asciilifeform	will happily build any kind of box for diana_coman's works.	[19:38]
asciilifeform:	if diana_coman & co need cyclotron -- will build cyclotron.	[19:39]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal but anyway.	[19:40]
asciilifeform:	btw diana_coman there is bug fix , in case this was lost in the chaos .	[19:40]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-07 21:53:44 asciilifeform: lobbes, diana_coman : logotron tree updated, removed 'shlex' , tested with bare hands on local staging box ( baitbot ! ) , can be used .	[19:40]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: I am slowly digesting log (because I ate too much ips-talk today really) but I'll get to that too, thank you.	[19:41]
asciilifeform:	ty diana_coman .	[19:41]
asciilifeform:	nuffin catastrophic in that patch, simply cures the single-quotes thing.	[19:42]
diana_coman:	I got to the point where I'm firing them emails ~ can I order that or the other without your "account" that I utterly don't need and similar.	[19:43]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: anyone got past this just yet ?	[19:44]
diana_coman:	some are at least...looking to see if they can	[19:44]
diana_coman:	some are yet to wake up and answer	[19:44]
diana_coman:	fwiw romanians are still the most responsive for some reason and honestly, I even tried to steer away from ro.	[19:45]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Off to roll and disk	[19:45]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: a++	[19:46]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours	[19:47]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-04 23:32:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.	[19:47]
diana_coman:	it is poor site but a. still better than no site b. for diversity/maybe finding some actual people it may still work	[19:48]
asciilifeform:	hell i'm even considering the swamp an' digging for offerings there.	[19:48]
diana_coman:	ie it's one thing if you look at it to make an isp and another if not	[19:48]
asciilifeform:	for 'expendable' parking spot, almost anyffin is worth a test, imho	[19:48]
diana_coman:	but yes otherwise and moreover, it's no diversity if I don't go with moldavians but I go with Bucharest 0 diversity in that really	[19:49]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: if yer box is in a place you can potentially physically get to -- the reqs for the innkeeper are much looser potentially	[19:50]
asciilifeform:	( in re such things as this )	[19:50]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 16:09:51 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.	[19:50]
diana_coman:	myeah but a bit too many potentially + having to get to it is yet another thing on top of a huge pile	[19:51]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: it isn't as if you rebuild os from empty disk erryday.	[19:51]
asciilifeform:	to drive a coupla km once in a leap year is perhaps tolerable.	[19:51]
* asciilifeform	brb,tea	[19:51]
diana_coman:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942398 -neah, Reading near London there are a few data centers right next door, it's a rather active area in this sense.	[19:58]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 11:44:28 asciilifeform: diana_coman: where's your current 'here' ? scotland ?	[19:58]
lobbes:	http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942657 << fwiw in most cases re: hardware I'd value asciilifeform's seal more than I'd value my own	[20:08]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 19:40:36 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I somehow think I might not be the only one valuing your seal but anyway.	[20:08]
lobbes:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g. I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go	[20:11]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:54:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942027 << this strikes me as utterly insane, for a spot of work that in my book counts to about 5 man-hours.	[20:11]
lobbes:	Add in the feedback cycle, digging into mpwp mysql guts, new additions to spec tacked on (here I would link to various documented pieces on blog, if I had a working one) and I don't come anywhere close to 5-hours. It will be serving Trilema, and it is needed to be correct in one go no do-overs. My reputation's on the line here. Spot of work my foot!	[20:11]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: from bucharest with amd-love: amd opteron x2150 apu 4 cores 1.5GHz 8 GB ddr3, centos7	[20:12]
diana_coman:	but no, they called 3 dudes to talk to me and still can't get over this outlandish idea that I do.not.want.to.make.account.with.them	[20:13]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Was instructed to ask Latecho to add the handcart door to my card to use the hand truck again. Going for all disks, all I can carry without wheels trip.	[20:20]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: it's still neato. wonder if they'd cut out impi, emplace raid, FG .	[20:21]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: what means 'add handcard door to card ?'	[20:21]
asciilifeform:	*handcart	[20:21]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: while they were willing to talk/ask someone else to come and talk to this weird woman, they were utterly shocked at ~any request to the point of 4min silence followed by a total change of subject	[20:22]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Apparently they don't want wheels scuffing up the floors of the lobby, hence have to use service entrance	[20:22]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: sounds like the typical 'leper's bell' of 'we do only what's in this here 3ring binder'	[20:22]
diana_coman:	I suppose I'm so outside of their corporation worksheet that they just blink for 4 minutes and reset to next point on the checklist	[20:23]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: 'blink for 4min and reset' is very apt summary, sounds like what BingoBoingo's latech grunts did last night when asked 'wtf'	[20:23]
diana_coman:	so despite the lovely amd, I think I can't currently stomach its masters.	[20:23]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: sorta why i dun even look at other than colo anymoar	[20:24]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Everytime we did this with the wheeled luggage, the WTC people wanked the same wank, but with the luggage we always did that in one shot and non-issue. Card works normally for normal doors.	[20:24]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: it ~always makes moarsense to physically send in a box, esp. if you have box already. costwise too.	[20:24]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: seems like 9000x greater concern for their (indeed mirror-smooth, i nearly slipped on it) marble floor , than for working dc!!	[20:25]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: atm I don't have box ready for this (I wasn't actually prepared for pizarro death, what can I say) + I'd rather know a bit more about those to whom I'm sending boxes, dunno.	[20:25]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: hey did they ever fix that button in the lift ?	[20:25]
* asciilifeform	in piz tower pushed what looked like button in the lift, it fell N stories down, and hole -- razor-sharp	[20:26]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: perhaps you will want to locate several boxes , in diff. parks. moar resistance to sudden deaths.	[20:27]
asciilifeform:	http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << lobbes , i am prolly the slowest pair of hands here, mp never once misses a chance to remind of this...	[20:29]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 17:11:48 lobbes: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942586 << I anticipated this response, but not sure how you figure utterly insane. I'm not asciilifeform nor diana_coman for e.g. I'm still pretty "green" at programming and need to research each design phase and thoroughly test my implementations as I go to make sure it is correct. Oftentimes discover "shit, I fucked up, need to redo this part". I.e. learning as I go	[20:29]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Ah, sí they fixed that number light thing	[20:30]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: I dunno, you got that logotron out at breakneck speedz ( I know you recycled phuctor's www chunks, but still )	[20:31]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111	[20:31]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: if asciilifeform appears to do sumthing quickly, it is only because was simple job. ( or terrible kludge piece. )	[20:31]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: I guess that was my point what is simple for you ain't so simple for me	[20:32]
lobbes:	not yet at least	[20:32]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: i suspect that you will find certain things very simple, that asciilifeform has not strength to even attempt of yet.	[20:32]
asciilifeform:	this was tru for e.g. BingoBoingo .	[20:33]
asciilifeform:	lobbes ever heard of kuklachev ?	[20:33]
asciilifeform:	fella ran a circus in moscow. with housecats .	[20:33]
lobbes:	lol, btw, at dc where we learn marble floors > working dc and lifts that don't have booby traps	[20:33]
asciilifeform:	they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding.	[20:34]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: re dc and floors, this is i suspect typical .	[20:34]
asciilifeform:	they , like erry scamatron, are more interested in getting new rubes to sign fat contract than to actually service existing. ( esp. if 'new contract' is 'netflix cache' etc )	[20:35]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Brb, disk run	[20:36]
lobbes:	asciilifeform: interesting re: kuklachev (I had never heard of him). And I see what you mean, though even when found what a certain cat is willing to do, still must train that cat. I do enjoy what I do/have done here so far, just... I still have much to learn	[20:40]
asciilifeform:	naturally 0 cat will perform immediately when plucked from alley.	[20:40]
asciilifeform:	still trained.	[20:40]
* asciilifeform	will be the last 1 who is to be asked re training critter, must leave the subj to folx w/ actual high pilotage under their belt, mp & co	[20:42]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )	[20:45]
asciilifeform:	lobbes: items like this, or this, asciilifeform was able to pull off by burning 'vacation days' .	[20:47]
asciilifeform:	ditto phuctor, FG, etc	[20:47]
asciilifeform:	which is why when i encounter a fella like shinohai, who has 100% of his time, it boggles my mind that he hasn't built a thermonuclear dirigible simply as a side effect of basic fucking metabolism	[20:50]
asciilifeform:	picture, to be able to actually think about something uninterrupted for 3, 4, 10, 100 days!!	[20:51]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: you see the problem on "uninterrupted" but others see it on "think about something" , you know	[20:52]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: this is tru, when i was 7yo also 'had time to think for 100d' but what resulted in was of course not worth to print anywhere ('a good bear but not a good dancer', who wants a 7yo's home-baked diode? )	[20:53]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: did you actually check/press to that last shlex_removal?	[20:56]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: lemme see, 1s (pretty sure i did)	[20:56]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: loox like did. and just nao did again, it presses	[20:58]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: why , didja get eggog ?	[20:58]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: nm, found the trouble, it was corrupted sig file on my end sorry about the trouble, it's been a long day here.	[20:59]
asciilifeform:	hrm, paste.deedbot seems to be dead. ( was it on piz?? i didn't think it were ? )	[20:59]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: ok	[20:59]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: i made same mistake the other day, was convinced i had made a broken patch	[21:00]
diana_coman:	asciilifeform: re paste.deedbot it might be ~ http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942251	[21:01]
ossabot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 06:06:48 mp_en_viaje: http://trinque.org/wp-content/themes/trinque/style.css << i see the problem now. your browser prolly hangs on this diana_coman i have ly set to just ignore	[21:01]
asciilifeform:	a.	[21:02]
* asciilifeform	sat down to read some ossasepia while waiting for a compile, and then 'damn, it was on piz!', and qntra, it's like having 4+ phantom limbs...	[21:06]
asciilifeform:	'Нынче вырвалась, будто из плена, весна, / По ошибке окликнул его я: / - Друг, оставь покурить! - А в ответ - тишина: / Он вчера не вернулся из боя.' (tm)(r)(v. vysotsky).	[21:08]
diana_coman:	!o version	[21:15]
ossabot:	I am bot version 597858.	[21:15]
diana_coman:	bot & reader deployed to latest head (aka no shlex-mlex mess) searches with ' should not fail anymore	[21:16]
diana_coman:	thank you asciilifeform for the vpatches.	[21:16]
asciilifeform:	yw diana_coman .	[21:16]
asciilifeform:	now i also wish that could give working boxes, as easily as patch...	[21:17]
asciilifeform:	( oblig drumhead translation :	[21:31]
asciilifeform:	'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.'	[21:31]
asciilifeform:	)	[21:31]
* asciilifeform	bbl.	[21:34]
diana_coman:	and ukrainians (or so it seems) with servers around europe do not list opterons but are amenable to offer it if one asks.	[21:35]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space.	[21:38]
* asciilifeform	genuinely bbl, in a bit	[21:38]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform and everyone else: All disks are out of the rack with the exception of the RockChip kernel SD cards. Maybe a couple of unused RK spare are hiding in the bilge box. A variety of miscellaneous was recovered as well including the KVM, a couple handfuls of USD ttyls, the unsealed FUCKGOATs that were plugged into RockChips, and for sentimental value the Qntra/DNS server I flew into the country with because it's tiny ass fit in	[21:47]
BingoBoingo:	the duffel. Some other bilge ware was recovered.	[21:47]
BingoBoingo:	!Qlater tell mod6 I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed.	[21:58]
lobbesbot:	BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.	[21:58]
BingoBoingo:	When I went earlier and wheeled out the three servers, there were two receptionist girls in the glass box. When I returned on disk mission, there was no one in glass box well before normal departing time.	[22:00]
mod6:	Thanks BingoBoingo. If it proves difficult to get logged into the server with the disks in the enclosures perhaps don't worry about it, can just ship the disks back. But while you're at it, it may be pretty helpful if you pull out the raid card and drive cables to the card and send that along as well.	[22:55]
lobbesbot:	mod6: Sent 57 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I apologize, but I have not yet backed up your server. I will return with the disks, power it on again, and see what I can do with the credentials you passed.	[22:55]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: got it. what remains in the cage ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: and, any final gasps from latech & co ?	[22:57]
asciilifeform:	( the latter largely 'academic' curiosity , but curious )	[22:58]
asciilifeform:	mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ?	[22:58]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform mod6: I plan to return and SSH into the box.	[23:00]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: What remains are all the rails, misc unused adapters and more USB TTYLs, The Rockchip plant, a small mountain of power and network cables, the rackmount power strip, the two switches, and the following 1U servers that will need wheeled out:	[23:02]
BingoBoingo:	TBF/Mod6, Trinque, UY1/Shared Hosting, S.NSA vacant	[23:03]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho.	[23:06]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: until what day exactly is the rack paid up ?	[23:08]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: It should be paid up through the end of this month per my notes. Then there's + 7 business days, etc, etc per the contract.	[23:12]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: ok. next wheelbarrow plox to rescue trinque and mod6 . then the rest, when you can.	[23:13]
BingoBoingo:	<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. << Three machines in one trip with wheels went well enough 4 should not be a problem. Without wheels, I am contemplating the logistics as we speak	[23:13]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: the sooner you officially stop the service, the moar likely can recover sumthing from the orcs. tho , as mp pointed out, it is difficult to picture that we'll see a penny	[23:15]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Next dive I want to recover mod6's data, whatever fits in the mochila that isn't the switches or power cables. Then I plan to ask for access to the door for wheels.	[23:15]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: bring the gurl or somebody trusted and hand-carry'em if you must.	[23:16]
asciilifeform:	nuffin in that rack weighs moar than a roman legionary's kit. theoretically even 1 can carry.	[23:17]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Tonight it is too late to get the cardless girl into the building, but yes I am trying to think of something that will make the servers ergonomic enough to carry. Legionaire's kit is meant to be worn. Server meant to be densly racked. The potential to drop a chassis more than anything is what gives me pause.	[23:21]
asciilifeform:	diana_coman: here is how FGs went in machine, if this helps. if that space aint there (and in most boxes, in asciilifeform's experience, it aint) then can only put'em by e.g. forgoing raid card and using that space. or in 5in. disk slot (which most also lack.)	[23:21]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: aite. but ideally all the irons will be safely under BingoBoingo's bed tomorrow.	[23:22]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Ideally tomorrow they will all be in the habitation module. If recovering the boxes is hindered, THAT, the hindering, is actionable.	[23:24]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: seems liek already been some hindering today ?	[23:24]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: if busibodies pop outta that woodwork to hinder, get'em on camera.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Latecho hasn't done any hidnering today. Just the lobby tile police.	[23:25]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: i fully expect that when you show up to tear up the contract, they'll try to cook up some bullshit re the cage being in arrears . hence wai important to empty it.	[23:26]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: dun have to answer this if aint ready yet, but have you had chance to think , where BingoBoingo will go next ?	[23:28]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Per the contract the cage would have to be in arrears 30 days or longer before they can suspend service, deny access, etc	[23:29]
asciilifeform:	well, per the contract there was also gonna be a working pipe!	[23:29]
asciilifeform:	seems that contract atm is in '1 direction' mode, american-style, where 'you owe, and we -- uhm, nuffin'	[23:30]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.	[23:32]
asciilifeform:	!Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.	[23:36]
ericbot:	Logged on 2019-10-08 15:01:51 mp_en_viaje: ah yes, they do owe us some money, but i wasn't converted afaik.	[23:36]
lobbesbot:	asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.	[23:36]
asciilifeform:	ftr asciilifeform is in favour of using as much of the remaining piggy as BingoBoingo sees fit , in taking it as far as it can be made to go.	[23:37]
asciilifeform:	at the VERY least oughta recover the week+ of dud service + security dep.	[23:39]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low.	[23:40]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: what means 'much' ? i.e. all ?	[23:40]
* BingoBoingo	goes for the statement	[23:40]
asciilifeform:	(re piggy -- dun fughet, BingoBoingo , that we also will have to issue refunds to people who had refueled and then had ??? instead of reachable boxes for week+ )	[23:43]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: Right, that's customer equity	[23:44]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: 1538.58	[23:47]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: spent ? or remains ?	[23:47]
asciilifeform:	this re sec deposit ?	[23:47]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: It's the odd balance that remains from security deposit/mega bolus going into the datacenter last fall	[23:48]
asciilifeform:	BingoBoingo: that's genuine money.	[23:48]
BingoBoingo:	asciilifeform: And it is to be pursued.	[23:49]
asciilifeform:	re customers, yes would rather give'em working boxes, but will have to be refund.	[23:49]
ericbot:	Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !	[23:49]

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