Forum logs for 04 Mar 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
feedbot: << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Ham Is A Scam [00:28]
feedbot: << Trilema -- Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2019 Statement [01:45]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in holy shit, [08:50]
a111: Logged on 2018-02-05 20:11 asciilifeform: relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available [08:50]
mircea_popescu: what THE FUCK is that thing ? it looks like a bad photochop. did they seriously paste a 20sqft "livingroom" to a... what the fuck is it, half a kitchen table welded to half a livingroom table ? [08:51]
mircea_popescu: fucking frankenstein roosveltchebas, jesus christ. [08:51]
mircea_popescu: i wonder if you can directly splash water from the faucet on the "modern, dynamic, blabla" "seated" at the workbench over there [08:52]
mircea_popescu: "Just outside of Washington, D.C., Northern Virginia features upscale shopping and dining, along with an easy escape to the outdoors. Our high-quality new homes for sale offer Smart Home features and Life Tested Home Designs® in townhome and condo communities." [08:53]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, Life Tested Home Designs® ?! srsly ? what the everfuck [08:53]
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the sorriest thing i saw, since that obama sadness. [09:00]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the fuck, Life Tested Home Designs� ?! srsly ? what the everfuck << Walls and rooms make UStards feel cramped and bad about spending all day in bed and couch [10:33]
BingoBoingo: And holy shit Northern Virginia makes Uruguay look cheap [10:34]
BingoBoingo: Those are "mid rise" stick built over a ground floor podium [10:35]
BingoBoingo: And not even all of them on that list are that... [10:36]
mircea_popescu: if you added walls to that contortion, only a jackrabbit could fit in there. [10:43]
asciilifeform: << >> [11:08]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-04 13:53 mircea_popescu: what the fuck, Life Tested Home Designs® ?! srsly ? what the everfuck [11:08]
a111: Logged on 2015-09-26 01:29 asciilifeform: you can drive around and see this, towers of 'condos' with one or two windows out of every dozen, lit up [11:08]
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking sad. [11:08]
asciilifeform: they've been building'em errywhere. 100% cardboard, and then mortgaged for half-m to 1m to some idjit, good margin. [11:09]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there's some 2 bedroom apartments here with the same square metrage as the habitation module which is close to the same footprint as the asciilifeform/ben_vulpes hotel room. [11:09]
* mircea_popescu watched "old school" yest with the gals because i don't recall why. holy shit that's a transparent piece of femstate agitprop (not coincidentally, with the same crew as ) -- who could possibly pass on the "career woman" with a kid in tow and all that nonsense. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: NEVERTHELESS, the most remarkable part to my eye was "holy shit those huts they live in" [11:10]
BingoBoingo: Not too many of them, but apparently it was a fad at some point "how many walls can we stick without making bigger apartments" [11:10]
asciilifeform: afaik ~100% of new residential construction, is this, nao. [11:12]
asciilifeform: not far from here, they knocked down a hotel and buncha other stuff, to build these. [11:12]
asciilifeform: before that -- another. [11:13]
BingoBoingo: When I left they were still doing the cookie cutter cul-de-sac subdivisions full of stick built [11:13]
* asciilifeform regularly goes by what used to be a commercial parking lot, and finds that it was filled up with these. [11:14]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are now 2 standard matchstick designs -- 'condo' ( as in mircea_popescu's link ) and 'townhouse' ( same matchstick, same layout, slightly moar space ) [11:15]
asciilifeform: all ~exactly same 'premium' (closer to 1m) model has decorative brick on 1 side. [11:16]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, this is the third design where they make the giant stickbuilt things and put some grass between them on recently ruined farmland. Because they have the space for it. [11:16]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: here they put coupla sq. m. of grass. cuz why bother with the wasted space when tard will pay 1m anyway. [11:17]
asciilifeform: ( idea being, of course, tard will pay ~2m~, with interest, etc ) [11:18]
BingoBoingo: I can see it [11:18]
mircea_popescu: this is so fucking sad... [11:19]
mircea_popescu: in other news, hanbot 's new tits are something the fuck else. [11:21]
BingoBoingo: I was wondering what this surgery was, but was suspecting followup to the December abdominal cleanup [11:24]
mircea_popescu: nah. [11:37]
feedbot: << Ossasepia -- GNAT Compilation Notes [11:52]
diana_coman: ave1, -> any idea? [11:53]
mircea_popescu: basically, gnat getting to where it's ready for genesis. [11:58]
mircea_popescu: then no need for the fetchextract bs. [11:59]
diana_coman: quite I suspect it would cleanup the set of scripts too as atm it's a bit hairy to follow everything (or at least so it seemed to me coming at it relatively from the outside) [12:05]
diana_coman: ftr the whole tarballs thing is ~100MB and the heaviest in there is the gcc [12:06]
* asciilifeform wonders how much of the 100 is autoconf garbage [12:20]
mircea_popescu: gnat imports gcc ? [12:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: backend is 100% gcc's [12:20]
asciilifeform: always was [12:21]
mircea_popescu: myeah. "the front -end and runtime are written in ada". [12:21]
asciilifeform: typically it's got gcc's c frontend also (is how it eats c, when c is used for os crud etc) [12:22]
asciilifeform: 'by mass', gnat is arguably a plugin for gcc [12:22]
asciilifeform: rather than vice-versa [12:22]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder what battle will the usg.gnu tards pick to fight us over. confiscation of gnat ? not yet ? [12:23]
asciilifeform: afaik that knob is still set to 'wear blindfold, plug ears, pretend aint happening' [12:23]
asciilifeform: on their end [12:23]
mircea_popescu: ave1 you willing to post a proper genesis of this thing ? if so, whensabouts would it be ready ? (do you have specific cleanup steps in mind ?) if not, why not ? [12:24]
* asciilifeform wonders if ave1 got stuck tryin' to scrub out the autoconfolade [12:24]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but if they continue much longer they'll disappear entiurely. [12:25]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arguably 'disappeared' already, i was unable to find any trace of any serious public use of gnat, outside of our walls [12:25]
mircea_popescu: the issue isn't "use of gnat", the issue is, defanging of gcc/glibc/shitgnome ecosystem. [12:26]
asciilifeform: aa [12:26]
mircea_popescu: this entire thing we're doing here is more of a hit on the femstate in computing than the original drepperisms systemv was a hit on the republic. we're turning the tables, i'd expect some reaction. [12:26]
asciilifeform: y'mean systemd ? [12:26]
mircea_popescu: yes. [12:26]
asciilifeform: ( 'systemv' was the ancient at&t unix iirc ) [12:27]
mircea_popescu: it seems strategically sound, "oh, i betcha they couldn't fuck gcc/glibc without gnat -- well, what if it can be denied!!!" [12:27]
* mircea_popescu is kinda missing the historical piratebay femstate mockeries, looking forward to adding to his collection. [12:28]
asciilifeform: would be moar interesting what-if, imho, if the derps had not themselves killed gplism , in the 'linksys' idjicy and elsewhere [12:29]
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how this idiocy works. there isn't a "they themselves". femstate is built on this dreamy approach to secreted alt-reality where only convenient subsets are dealt with at any time. [12:30]
asciilifeform: that mcd-eater mircea_popescu linked the diary of, earlier last mo, had the details [12:30]
mircea_popescu: which is how usg "prosecutor" doesn't have to explain why his office has lied ten thousand times in ten thousand courts. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: if i ran it, they'd be immediatelly struck out, "you've lied before, criminal conspiracy, may not present evidence". if i was cross-examining, i'd bury them under their own history, "your honor, my client has no history of lying in court -- that schmuck over there represents an organisation specifically predicated on exactly that". [12:31]
asciilifeform: iirc kazynski actually said this when he was tried [12:32]
mircea_popescu: but as things actually work, crown prosecutor can sit unblushing and talk shit about random black dude. [12:32]
asciilifeform: ( result : struck from record, d00d sentenced to life incommunicado ) [12:32]
mircea_popescu: "Bolton asked about tweets calling Maduro a dictator who violates human rights: CNN: Do you not see US support for other dictators around the world undermines the credibility of your argument. Bolton: No, I don’t think it does. I think it’s separate." [12:32]
mircea_popescu: right ? it's ~separate~. fat woman THEREBY gave up her "right" to ride subway ?!?! IT IS SEPARATE!!! she overate in the past, she wants to ride now, there's no relation!!! [12:33]
mircea_popescu: and so in this manner. i'd fully expect they'd try to bring a challenge, "oh, muh preshious licenses" [12:33]
mircea_popescu: this arbitrary "separation" is actually the pillar upon which femstate pretense to sovereignity rests. "he who gets to say what's separate from what wins". hence why things like irritate them so much. "how does this non-us dare use our tools!!! arbitrary separation IS FOR CROWN ONLY!!!" [12:35]
* asciilifeform has only the theory that in hitler's throne room, it was decided 'don't draw attention to republic existing', and this explains why mircea_popescu's collection of is thin, rather than enuff to stoke furnace with [12:35]
mircea_popescu: yes, but it can only last so long. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: eventually they'll have to try and make a stand. [12:36]
asciilifeform: ...related convo from coupla days ago: pet: 'hey that's a woodchipper going by' a: 'aha' pet: 'how come it didn't stop, why aintcha in it' a: 'dunno, i guess not time yet' [12:38]
mircea_popescu: seems "license" wank around the gnat would be an ideal spot. [12:48]
mircea_popescu: most menalone / retards-in-tech are very well disciplined to immediately drop anything that's legalesed. much like menalone / retards in "humanities" are disciplined to drop anything labeled "fascist" [12:48]
mircea_popescu: there's these little buttons ustard's conditioned to react to. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: the positive conditioning, "buy this" works ~ok, but the negative conditioning, "avoid this" works quite well. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: moreover, between those two you've got the whole us "culture". [12:50]
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 154mn 70 500 WFF, WU esta bien [13:05]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1042 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-03-07 04:09:50.495654 UTC (69 hours) [13:05]
BingoBoingo: ^ Exchage rate setting auction now live [13:05]
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 200mn 13500 Shares S.QNTR [13:20]
auctionbot: Sell order # 1043 created by BingoBoingo: Shares S.QNTR Opening: 200mn ecu Ending: 2020-09-16 18:24:57.803321 UTC (13499 hours) [13:20]
mircea_popescu: o.O [13:26]
BingoBoingo: !Xcancel 1043 [13:39]
auctionbot: Sell order # 1043 was cancelled by BingoBoingo [13:39]
BingoBoingo: !Xsell 200mn 72 13500 Shares S.QNTR [13:40]
auctionbot: Sell order # 1044 created by BingoBoingo: 13500 Shares S.QNTR Opening: 200mn ecu Ending: 2019-03-07 06:44:54.898922 UTC (71 hours) [13:40]
BingoBoingo: Time horizon for Qntra share auction corrected [13:40]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in found lulz, [13:46]
BingoBoingo: lol [13:50]
BingoBoingo: "This does look to be nearly 20 year old tech. It was used as a supplement for the process to work on I/O devices. It’s actually not needed at all with your system." [13:51]
asciilifeform: 30, lol [13:51]
mircea_popescu: "The Genera Software environment is for using tapes with your Mac, correct?" << keks. [13:52]
mircea_popescu: "All the info I see is that this is very old tech and programming. The Symbolics company actually is no longer around." dumb cunt's doing "support" by looking shit up in google. [13:53]
asciilifeform: fwiw crapple dun even support 2009 iron, much less 1989. [13:53]
mircea_popescu: fucking useless generation of escaped slavemeat. [13:53]
asciilifeform: Officially. [13:53]
BingoBoingo: What escaped? Rejected slavemeat. [13:54]
mircea_popescu: who rejected amy ? [13:55]
asciilifeform: 'amy' is likely a perlscript. [13:56]
mircea_popescu: rejected slavemeat's almost sad the escapists tho, they're the stupid cunts that "don't even have to". [13:56]
BingoBoingo: The void rejected amy. You know, the people who thought Trump was a clown back before they all died. All that's left there is void. [13:57]
BingoBoingo: And matchsticks [13:57]
BingoBoingo: And a disappointingly large number of boomsticks when viewed alongside their infrequent use [13:57]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, specifically this one. [13:57]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's no such "rejection by default". either she was rejected by someone specifically, or else she didn't even fucking apply. [13:58]
* asciilifeform unable to distinguish [13:58]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everyone else equally unable to distinguish. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: artificial intelligence. [13:58]
BingoBoingo: Fucking perl all the way down [13:58]
trinque: asciilifeform: who is this hilarious lisp troll and why is he not here? [14:13]
asciilifeform: trinque: nfi. turned up by chance. [14:13]
mircea_popescu: he has a point tho. show up dave. [14:17]
trinque: << possible chicom troll [14:17]
asciilifeform: trinque: dun seem to load [14:19]
trinque: heavily js-laden [14:19]
trinque: << poast text [14:20]
mircea_popescu: << not chicom. [14:21]
mircea_popescu: let's see this #linuxba then [14:23]
mircea_popescu: << check them out. we prolly want something like this actually huh. [14:29]
mircea_popescu: works, too. [14:31]
mircea_popescu: in other keks. [14:33]
mircea_popescu: gotta love these morons, "here's a penguin, now install windows". empire of visual africanisms. [14:34]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, today's trilemalotto yields forth : [15:57]
asciilifeform: >> lol!! >> 'A Keybase team is a group of people who can communicate with end-to-end cryptography. This means the team's chats and files cannot be read by anyone outside the team, not even someone who breaks into Keybase's servers.' << didjaknow. [15:58]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-04 19:33 mircea_popescu: in other keks. [15:58]
* asciilifeform continues to marvel at the degree of decerebration needed to swallow 'hey, i'ma go to and the receiver will go to and all is well' [16:01]
mircea_popescu: the empire of broken people is made of broken people. [16:04]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what am i putting in this month's report, " alf was gonna do ffa but went away to play with xrays instead" ? [16:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in fact ch17 is written. but pending 16b for publication. [16:05]
mircea_popescu: ... [16:05]
asciilifeform: loops, function definitions, bounded execution cycle count, several other necessary knobs. [16:06]
mircea_popescu: did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it. [16:06]
asciilifeform: gotta ask more specific q. [16:07]
asciilifeform: for instance ? 'on what burned cycles?' 3h on xray. 22 on pizarro (iron what-do, and learning how to mircea_popescuate forums, which not ready for field of yet). 30+ on ffa. [16:08]
mircea_popescu: the question is specific enough. you a) failed to publish any ffa matter during the MONTH of february. not during ~each individual week~, as the original notion went, after the last time we reviewed this, more or less around [16:09]
mircea_popescu: b) you published a raft of "x-ray kindergarten" something or the other. [16:09]
asciilifeform: do we have to do the 'do you want CORRECT ffa or fast ffa' thrd again. [16:09]
mircea_popescu: this is a red herring. [16:10]
mircea_popescu: at issue is no kind of objective constraint. at issue is your very infantile approach to work, which could be best summarized as "oh! shiny!". [16:10]
mircea_popescu: in a functional system, one can ~predict~ the content of february's report on the basis of january's report. [16:11]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i buy some gear, and with moneyback warranty, had to test it. this is done. nao back to the regularly-scheduled biz. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: when you're involved though, no such prediction can be made -- for the transparent enough by now reason that any random item catching your indisciplined fancy is equiprobable. [16:11]
mircea_popescu: basically, i think i can authoritatively say, on the basis of having been trying to manage your efforts in the past however many years nsa existed, your approach to work is as follows : 1. there's an indistinct and unspecified ball of things you deduced you want on the basis of them being more or less connected to a core of goodness which, not necessarily very examinedly, seems to yield them as first degree relations. 2. you [16:13]
mircea_popescu: wake up any day, and proceed to set to work on whichever of these seems that morning to be the most promising. then you go to sleep. [16:13]
asciilifeform: it so also happens that asciilifeform has day job, where actually cranks out predictable crud. and it soaks up ~70-80% of cycles. but since i dun write about it, apparently as if dun exist. [16:13]
mircea_popescu: empire does not in any factual sense exist. man who works 70% of the time for idiots is === the remaining 30% of that man. [16:14]
mircea_popescu: that's what we're discussing, obviously enough. [16:14]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja even get around to e.g trying the m-r ? still seems to me that i'm baking it faster than anyone's eating. [16:16]
mircea_popescu: but this entire "i work job!!!" thing's also a red herring. looky how your life flows : 1. your company needs some cash on a regular, predictable, and known in advance basis. 2. for convenience's sake i undertake a quarters' worth or so of this. 3. you turn around and buy, exactly like the people of walmart, a piece of hardware. on fucking impulse, there was ~no need for it~ and further, ~no time to use it~. but you wanted th [16:17]
mircea_popescu: e distraction, alfie bought himself a toy. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: now you're in the position where you complain "no cash for pizarro" and "no time for ffa". [16:17]
mircea_popescu: that's nice, but you ~created your problems yourself~. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: they're man-made, not environment-imposed. [16:17]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my entire setup runs on surplus gear, which turns up at reasonable price point erry odd year. so not precisely 'impulse'. [16:17]
mircea_popescu: there's a reason management exists, as a profession. that reason is in full display above : left to their own devices, people like you fuck themselves. [16:18]
mircea_popescu: it's not however mandatory. it's optional, it works ~exactly~ like AA meetings work. [16:18]
asciilifeform: the other half of this is that if weren't for asciilifeform's 'fuck themselves' loose cannon experimentation, half of what presently runs, wouldn't exist. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: now how do you expect me to explain to your shareholders that "you know what ? the reason you can't predict in january what you'll read early march is that [???]" ? [16:20]
asciilifeform: incl. trb , gnat, FG. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is yet another red herring. [16:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would not be mircea_popescu if did not say this. [16:20]
mircea_popescu: looky here : the man who tells his wife "ima go see if i can find something to shoot at in the forest, we're fucking starving here" and the man who just disappears into the forest one day are readily distinguishable. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: there's no need to examine their bags to distinguish them. [16:21]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of this being said, currently on target for end of apr. for usable gpg replacement. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: whether they came back with shot bear or shot wounds, is not yet relevant. [16:21]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are absolutely NOT on fucking target, quit deluding yourself. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: you missed FOUR targets in february alone, and it's march 4th. [16:22]
asciilifeform: the only mechanical part missing is keccak. [16:22]
asciilifeform: what 4 targets, there's 3 ch. remaining, per current cut. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: what you do is what every other similar idiot did since the invention of empire : keep balooning your debts, "yes i'm late with instalment 1 but instalment 2 will be 3x as big! [and also, of course, late]" [16:22]
asciilifeform: 16b, 17, 18. [16:22]
mircea_popescu: this is no waqy to live. the whole fucking POINT of the kindergarten was that you learn how to not be stupid in the way you're stupid. [16:23]
mircea_popescu: it never was your convincing me of the alt-wisdom of stupidity. [16:23]
asciilifeform: 16b - m-r proof 17 (written) variables, loops 18 - kecc. [16:23]
mircea_popescu: ~one a week~. [16:23]
mircea_popescu: that was the target. one item a week. [16:23]
mircea_popescu: there were 4 weeks in february. where are the 4 items ? [16:23]
asciilifeform: keccak is currently on chalkboard, diana_coman's aint usable for the purpose (not const. time) [16:24]
mircea_popescu: again... did that make some sort of sense as an answer in your head, that was lost on its way to my head ? because i don't see it [16:24]
asciilifeform: what does mircea_popescu want for an answer ? 'yes i'ma shit it out by thursday'? [16:24]
mircea_popescu: as you stand right now, you're in a much worse position than nicoleci. she's a smart girl that got cheated out of an education, and consequently catching up. you're a smart boy that ~refuses~ education, and consequently spinning in place, in 2019 same problems as 2018. [16:25]
mircea_popescu: are you aware, you had THIS EXACT PROBLEM a year ago to the week ? [16:25]
mircea_popescu: or what is it, "lalala i can't hear it, dun count, not my problem" ? [16:25]
asciilifeform: i cannot promise to mircea_popescu et al, '1/week', given as i do whole thing in hours between wiping microshit-encrusted arse for a living. [16:27]
mircea_popescu: but you can make it as small as you wish! [16:29]
mircea_popescu: this is your problem here, see. like any mental problem, it has its articulations. to you i have no doubt this nonsense makes sense, "i can't promise one a week, i got a job". [16:30]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can i ? how do i cut m-r proof into small ? [16:30]
mircea_popescu: by leaving it for the end, where all the "i dunno how to do this yet" go. [16:30]
asciilifeform: this is not bad pt overall, tho, the reason why was able to keep the conveyor going earlier to satisfaction of audience, is that found cuts. [16:30]
asciilifeform: but the current remnant dun cut well. [16:30]
mircea_popescu: then you can say "hey folks, we're done with the ffa that i know how to do, item is shelved for now, will pick it up if i wise up" [16:30]
mircea_popescu: nobody is asking you to do impossible, or even difficult things. the problem's not the things. the problem's that you have developed, and evidently through insistent practice ensconced, a very self-defeating style of working. [16:31]
* asciilifeform prolly ought to cut 17 in 2 [16:31]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i gotta drink the tea before entirely cold, brb [16:31]
mircea_popescu: it's neither artistic nor geniusy nor liberty-ish nor anything else, to not pay rent on fucking time. [16:32]
mircea_popescu: nobody was a better writer for being late at his barber. [16:32]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Indian Licenses Russian Assault Rifle For Domestic Production While US Scolds Pakistan Over Potential F-16 "Misuse" [16:44]
BingoBoingo: ^ Marketing roughly in the same league as a razor company telling their customers they need to be more feminine men [16:45]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thinking about it over the tea : if mircea_popescu dun object, i'ma turn 16b into an appendix, it's stupid that it holds up the flow [16:46]
mircea_popescu: by all means. [16:46]
mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't whether m-r is proven or not proven, to standard x or to standard y, now or later. [16:46]
asciilifeform: ty mircea_popescu . then conveyor will move again shortly, 17 this coming weekend. [16:47]
mircea_popescu: the issue here is that a) you don't correctly account for costs, and that b) you don't correctly communicate. [16:47]
asciilifeform: no mircea_popescu is right, 'the spice must flow'(tm) [16:47]
mircea_popescu: as to a) : 1. you see an item for sale, for price X. 2. you don't even bother to calculate the expected-average-X, i suspect, but merely "intuit" it, without even a full second's thought. 3. you calculate X-imagined-avg-X thus obtaining a delta, which then motivates you to purchase, and in the process ALSO commits you. [16:48]
mircea_popescu: but you never bother to calculate the costs of opportunity! neither in time, nor in actual resources, nor in anything else! [16:48]
mircea_popescu: the man who drives 10 miles out of his way to buy a tank of gas a cent cheaper does the exact fucking thing, "oh, it was cheaper gas". no it fucking wasn't. [16:48]
mircea_popescu: the cost to own, the cost to use, these fucking figure into the total cost. what good is it you got something 50 or 500 or 5000 bucks cheaper than "the average" if the average wasn't even correctly calculated and as a bonus you lose your horses die in the fire started by the wife's funeral candles ?! [16:49]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's never a q of '10 cent cheaper', it's b/w the sticker price - usually 5-6 figs, prohibitive for asciilifeform entirely - and 'can haz' [16:49]
mircea_popescu: it is still a deffective calculation, in that it only counts ~part~ of the cost, and compares to a ~dubious~ watermark. [16:50]
asciilifeform: by mircea_popescu's 'quimby' formula, 100% of asciilifeform's gear is a loss, asciilifeform makes 0 moneys on his research. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: and as to b), you never to my fucking knowledge said the "hey honey, ima go see if i can find something to shoot at in the forest" part. it's never "hey, i plan to spend so much dough to realise this much unbooked profit on the basis of this pricetag and through this process" [16:51]
asciilifeform: and doesn't expect to make. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was not my formula. [16:51]
mircea_popescu: "the cost to buy this $160`000 item [which really can be had at $8`000 with some regularity, if one's not in a hurry] for $7`750 is $7`750 in cash + dropping the ballo on ffa + whatever else it is. [16:52]
mircea_popescu: you gotta ADD ALL THE PLUSSES. [16:52]
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu still thinks 'dropped ball because burned 3h taking photo' ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu: it may well be that the $250 notional you made ain't worth the notional value of what you lost. [16:53]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think that because [16:53]
a111: Logged on 2019-03-04 21:23 mircea_popescu: there were 4 weeks in february. where are the 4 items ? [16:53]
asciilifeform: maybe this is a revelation to mircea_popescu , but 3 noncontiguous 1hr timeslots birth 0 ffa. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: it's not even true that asciilifeform 's gear trove is "worthless". everything has a value. [16:54]
asciilifeform: needs at least a block of solid 5, just to reload into head. [16:54]
mircea_popescu: this is yet another red herring. it is evidently true one needs arbitrary long chunks for arbitrary long tasks, say "to prove m-r i need a weekend alone". but "ffa" IS NOT this. ffa is eminently aditive. [16:55]
mircea_popescu: even 20minute timeslices can move it along, ~if~ you know how to manage your time and your thought process. [16:55]
asciilifeform: certain parts defo. which is why i'ma rearrange the ordering. [16:55]
asciilifeform: ( certain parts, sadly not ) [16:55]
mircea_popescu: but currently you're much more adept at avoiding the learning of how to do that than at the doing it! [16:55]
mircea_popescu: it's like a kid who, in preference of learning 1 digit multiplication table, learned a tree of 12 principal excuses with 12 nodes each. [16:56]
mircea_popescu: holy shit, it'd have been faster to learn 100 items than 144! [16:56]
asciilifeform: keccak, for instance, needs a solid block of at least 3d. how am i to know when i'll get 3d ? [16:57]
mircea_popescu: so tehn spend however many 20 minute slices it takes to write these out, write out the time commitment you expect, sort them in order, and make yet another publishing plan! [16:57]
mircea_popescu: management ~is exactly this~. [16:58]
asciilifeform: i'ma make another 'train schedule' after 17. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: rather than being surprised by "random" events one could've seen coming a mile's worth of weeks away, if they bothered to look and rather than being surprised by where the horse decides to go. [16:58]
mircea_popescu: you can't go through life like this, astride a horse that takes you wherever it pleases, that you barely even know or ever talk to. wtf, it's your fucking head, it's a head not a horse! [16:59]
asciilifeform: currently worse than this , dun even have horse but 1024 harnessed centipedes. 1-2 usably large blocks of time per mo, and at ~rando [17:01]
asciilifeform: m [17:01]
mircea_popescu: a more balanced distribution of your own brainpower to the trees of your own life can only benefit you. as it is, you're stuck now spending weeks of time to deal with the results of decisions that took minutes to take on the basis of information you "compiled" in half seconds, by sucking thumbs. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: this is no way to go about things, balance the tree, let everything get a commensurate qty of brain cycles. [17:01]
mircea_popescu: if the tree is (evaluate object) (decide if buying object) (deal with the fallout of buying object) you can't possibly spend 300ms alftime on 1, 190s alftime on 2 and 168`000`000 s altfime on 3. it's just insane. [17:02]
asciilifeform: this so, but there's also cost to ~not~ buying $tool. for instance asciilifeform passed up in decade 2 chances to get electron microscope. and may end up paying moar, for having so. [17:04]
mircea_popescu: yes, of course. i'm not proposing you publish the damn thing in any particular scheme, or that your math comes out a particular way [17:06]
mircea_popescu: I AM INSISTING YOU FUCKING DO IT AT ALL! [17:06]
asciilifeform: ( how? e.g. asciilifeform was unable to produce a usefully general break for the chip. which means still no 'tmsr lappy'. and so forth ) [17:06]
mircea_popescu: there's no math broken-er than the math completely the fuck undone. [17:06]
* asciilifeform aint about to disagree with this [17:07]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in obscura, [17:09]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1042: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 154mn from PeterL. Ending: 2019-03-07 04:09:50.495654 UTC (64 hours 8 mins) [18:56]
mircea_popescu: well, that linuxba thing turned out to be pretty retarded. [21:15]
mircea_popescu: the more patient sinophiles are invited to squeeze the rock for butter at their leisure, my interest's exhausted. [21:26]
feedbot: << Trilema -- No Such lAbs (S.NSA), February 2019 Statement [21:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all they said was 'z' ? or was moar [23:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform [23:37]
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