Forum logs for 04 Jun 2019

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
spyked: asciilifeform, I'm hands full atm, but would surely like to work on something like that once I free 'em. re applications, maybe running other heathen progz (e.g. loading js websites, iirc there was some discussion about that when lobbes was working on archiver?) [01:50]
spyked: <-- ty phf! I'll use this as a datapoint for my current changelog study [01:54]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-30 18:45 phf: << i'm using hunchentoot-1.2.35 but that's in no way explored, that's whatever i got out of quicklisp on first btcbase deploy [01:54]
mircea_popescu: in other news, /me shall be going to egypt for a coupla weeks starting prolly this weekend. mwahahaha! [06:08]
mircea_popescu: << da fuck, srsly ?! [06:09]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 18:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the snsa pair is (dulap & spare-dulap) are snsa boxen [06:09]
mircea_popescu: SCAM! [06:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as per tradition (sadly, the WRONG tradition, of common law title-deed), can i has logline re this or anything ? [06:11]
mircea_popescu: << that's exactly what it is. i very much stand by original : [06:13]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 18:54 diana_coman: eh, from asciilifeform's snippets the dude's "evaluations" seem to be more mix-and-match premade expectations than actual evaluations fwiw I met Nicole and I don't see why exactly couldn't she do those reviews she did. [06:13]
a111: Logged on 2019-05-21 22:46 mp_en_viaje: makes the ~same wetware shannonizer impression irl. [06:13]
a111: Logged on 2018-04-30 17:53 mircea_popescu: pinoy actually uses shanonizing as THE, not an, but THE intellectual mode of life. [06:13]
mircea_popescu: << this is not schizo tho, it's the other line. [06:14]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 18:59 asciilifeform: supposedly a coupla % ( at least in industrialized populations ) are active/latent schizo [06:14]
mircea_popescu: quick mp likbez on mental health : other than mentally healthy people (which is very vast indeed, and well varied, and almost universal), there I) an organic malfunction type, which sometimes ends up spontaneously organized -- much like "cancer" is "that tiny % of broken cells that end up broken in such a specific way they stay organized". [06:17]
mircea_popescu: this is schizo and from an evolutionary pov it well matches the "failure of historical mind compartment process" [06:17]
mircea_popescu: there's also a II) dataflow control failure. these are all the "add" (kids so aggitated they're saying something, the WHAT they're saying gets lost in dribbles). these are the manic-depressives, people so concerned with their "status" they fail to actually produce anything, like a robot that's 99% sensors and 0% servos. [06:19]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 05:03 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in delicious nonsense, moneyshot : "A thought we had a few weeks ago during one of our low-low mood phases, that perhaps it isn't worth pursuing bodily separation since we all already know each so well and can basically form new sentient agents in this brain on a whim, with a second's effort namely, that if any one of separated into a new brain or some other medium of mind, that a [06:19]
mircea_popescu: similarily, the overanxious stutterer, and so in this vein. [06:19]
mircea_popescu: this ~last type~ is perhaps amenable to treatment. because if you give the kid-thats-a-blur something to fix him the fuck down for five minutes he might have the breather to figure out which way the shoes go on and if you don't... well, esp at that age, it's perfectly possible the brain window closes, and he never the fuck will. because this is how the brain works, either learn language by ~5 or forget about LANGUAGE. al [06:21]
mircea_popescu: together. [06:21]
mircea_popescu: and this is the justification for medicating them, such as it is. [06:21]
mircea_popescu: this is why freud mostrly "treats" stutterers and anxious-maniacal folk. cuz they're not type-I broken in the head, they're type-II, they got "dysphoria", they thing "maybe they're gay" and such nonsense. [06:22]
mircea_popescu: there's also a type III that's not really a type -- sexually frustrated humans get crabby. this is perfectly healthy, and evolutionarily necessary. "if in unhappy relationship, push it till it either fixes or breaks". [06:22]
mircea_popescu: obviously if "society" overloads sexual relationship with "civilisational meaning" then they wanna "treat female hysteria", which is now "a condition" -- the condition of societal overload not working out in practice. [06:23]
mircea_popescu: but this is entirely not a mental health issue. [06:23]
mircea_popescu: and so there we go rob dude's eminently II. [06:23]
mircea_popescu: << he's actually highly functioning socially, perceived as annoying by the wallflower anxiousgirlies but otherwise... [06:25]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 19:02 asciilifeform suspects the fella's at the stage where only thing left is the folx in white coats, fixation robe, cold showers, aminazine, etc [06:25]
mircea_popescu: << im pretty sure has parents (if i had to guess -- mother) somewhere creating his womb for him. [06:25]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 19:04 asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik not diff. only peculiarity is that he got hold of a net connection, but i suppose this is not difficult feat naodays even for hobo [06:25]
mircea_popescu: these days, this isn't even so rare, for a 30yo. [06:26]
mircea_popescu: << a bless you very much! [06:27]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 19:24 BingoBoingo: << S.NSA statement comment on the matter [06:27]
mircea_popescu: jeez i like #trilema, at 12:12 ask question, at 12:28 have answer. [06:27]
mircea_popescu: << i guess i'm amenable to this. though of course why i sold machines to rent them for multi-years is then anyone's guess... [06:31]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 19:45 BingoBoingo: I would like to convert both of these to clear yearly contracts that will not require a time sucking archaeology mission on both sides when renewal comes up again. [06:31]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do we actually need/use both as such and ~permanently ? [06:31]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would you be amenable to carry 2 replacement boxes on yoru trip over, that i buy, and give them to pizarro in lieu of these two, convert them to colo only ? [06:32]
mircea_popescu: << aye verily! [06:32]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 19:53 BingoBoingo: I would like to do this in a way that leads to not every single 1U rental contract becoming a precious bespoke snowflake arrangement (beyond accomodations naturally offered and WELL RECORDED to sugar things up for big clients because "men not laws"). The idea is that by knowing what our book is on a machine, pricing can become simple in the way Colocation and Rockchips are. [06:32]
mircea_popescu: << win. [06:33]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 20:27 BingoBoingo: Once the S.MG rental billing is taken care of with a model applicable to future server rentals, the book can be closed on ugly common law billing. [06:33]
mircea_popescu: << conceivably useful yes. [06:34]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 00:56 asciilifeform: nao that i thinkaboutit, could be useful even in such application as piz shared hostisics.. [06:34]
diana_coman: -> until we change OS basically the test one was step towards Cuntoo and that's pretty much the only real reason for having 2 since playing around with the OS on a production server is rather iffy. [08:12]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 10:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do we actually need/use both as such and ~permanently ? [08:12]
diana_coman: to answer the q directly: not permanently, I'd hope! But it does seem to be rather long term since atm I have my hands full with SMG Comms on both client+server and otherwise we don't yet have a full Cuntoo setup to deploy and say that's fixed [08:14]
mircea_popescu: it's been six months or some shit! [08:17]
diana_coman: indeed I suppose there might be a case for keeping the production server only and then getting the test/cuntoo one only when there is finally what to put on it [08:20]
diana_coman: there is the fiddly part with sjlj vs zcx but that in itself doesn't justify 2 machines, no. [08:21]
asciilifeform: << iirc the logic was discussed, when subscriber leases machine, piz is sworn to keep him en-machined at all times ( by keeping on hand any and all necessary spares ) [09:15]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 10:31 mircea_popescu: << i guess i'm amenable to this. though of course why i sold machines to rent them for multi-years is then anyone's guess... [09:15]
asciilifeform: << asciilifeform's orcistan transport service lives to serve ! mircea_popescu do you happen to have these machines already ? theoretically could stop in cr an' pick up etc [09:16]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 10:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would you be amenable to carry 2 replacement boxes on yoru trip over, that i buy, and give them to pizarro in lieu of these two, convert them to colo only ? [09:16]
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so should i release the monthly then ? [09:17]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo incidentally imho would be good thing for piz, even if mircea_popescu ends up w/ cheaper subscription, cuz then vacates 2 piz boxen and these can be advertised [09:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i've not been in cr for months no, the idea was to get you to buy them for me :) [09:17]
asciilifeform: a [09:17]
asciilifeform: could buy. think about what in particular you'd like in'em and we can arrange. [09:18]
mircea_popescu: i was thinking copies of extant, so as to give them to pizarro in exchange, see ? this way i don't have to move hdds [09:19]
asciilifeform: transport cost is 1/n per 1u of box, and iirc the airplane/bed was approx 2.5 us dubloons last time [09:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will then start to search for these very same. [09:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'll prolly want hds, tho, as spares (they can travel inside boxes) [09:21]
asciilifeform: *2.5k [09:21]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo my thinking is, moar boxes in the rack == good thing. [09:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, give it till the end of today to figure out what we're doing here, but in principl yes. [09:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no reason to hurry. [09:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you may recall, there is a small supply of spare FG here, these can go in your machines. [09:23]
mircea_popescu: coolness. [09:24]
asciilifeform: << this is interesting and not quite what i expected , from [09:25]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 10:25 mircea_popescu: << he's actually highly functioning socially, perceived as annoying by the wallflower anxiousgirlies but otherwise... [09:25]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-01 23:28 nicoleci: lol he didnt mention it, he was mostly being asked to leave the room though [09:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, there's a lot of room between "highly functioning mental case" and "socially pleasant normal person" [09:25]
asciilifeform: evidently! d00d sounds like early stage schizoid tho, in writing [09:26]
asciilifeform: << i'ma describe, for the l0gz, the hypothetical. suppose mips emu in asm ( the heathen item in fact compiles to a 30kB elf , not esp. complex, but would want clean rewrite really ). this'd be proggy that takes disk image and it tx/rx raw frames to/from nic, so can have own ip etc. then 1 large amd box can host coupla 100 instances of mips linux from known image. <1s teardown/bringup. [09:29]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 10:34 mircea_popescu: << conceivably useful yes. [09:29]
diana_coman: - the colo option sounds good to me as it's essentially a long-term use. [09:30]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 13:17 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, so should i release the monthly then ? [09:30]
asciilifeform: this is sorta like what the heathen vps people do, but in principle could be a clean coupla-kB tmsr item w/out buggy multi-100MB turd. [09:30]
asciilifeform: ( the heathens use intelism 'virtualizations' for it, wins a bit of speed but at cost of 9000 nobus ) [09:30]
asciilifeform: << for thread-completeness. (most of the ball is a sample linux disk, the sores itself is ~50kB) [09:33]
asciilifeform: orig was found in shithub but damned if i link to shithub. [09:34]
asciilifeform: item pictured for illustrative purpose only, i do not recommend its use in battlefield. [09:35]
asciilifeform: the only iron in this emulator is the cpu and a 16550 uart. [09:35]
asciilifeform: builds with no deps. [09:35]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem approached, is how to house 9000 heathens on 1 machine. the currently used shared hosting system presumes certain amount of literacy (and cooperation) from the tenants, it is simple unix accts thing. [09:38]
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, a from-ground system could support migration b/w irons, in principle. ) [09:39]
asciilifeform: previously i considered the contemplated method impractical (in re amt of sweat req'd to construct) but from the weight of the heathen example, it begins to seem tractable. [09:40]
* asciilifeform sadly atm has entirely full hands [09:41]
asciilifeform: would be a mighty useful thing, tho, 'drop coin in this-here slot and get root on a mips cuntoo' [09:44]
mircea_popescu: only problem being "modern linux" is a 2gb pos. [10:12]
asciilifeform: depends what means 'modern linux'. e.g. asciilifeform's trb 'buildroot' weighed under 5MB. [10:12]
asciilifeform: incl. kernel. [10:12]
mircea_popescu: ya well [10:12]
mircea_popescu: "customers" right ? who knows what they come up with [10:13]
asciilifeform: the rk gentoo is half a GB iirc (incl. gcc toolchain) [10:13]
asciilifeform: the customers'd get the standard image, as they do on rk, and can then do whatever, pay per MB of disk and per cpu cycle. [10:13]
mircea_popescu: that might even work, actually. [10:13]
asciilifeform: it's what lulazon does, adjusted for [10:14]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron) [10:14]
mircea_popescu: i suppose it is, huh. [10:14]
asciilifeform: it aint ~intrinsically~ retarded, imho, to buy/sell cpu by the litre. [10:14]
mircea_popescu: certainly. [10:15]
asciilifeform: problem is in how the heathens approached the problem, with the reliance on intelisms , heavy turdware, etc. [10:15]
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 17:24 asciilifeform: ''Under certain conditions it allows unprivileged users running under qemu VMs to affect the host Linux kernel in a problematic manner...' [10:15]
asciilifeform: 1 seekrit bonus of 'mips cluster' would be to get folx geared up for sane irons, when the time comes. [10:16]
asciilifeform: iirc asciilifeform's old favourite hoster (going on 12y!) uses also a handwritten emu of some type. but no one knows precisely what. [10:19]
a111: Logged on 2016-11-24 23:56 asciilifeform: nearlyfreespeech co. [10:19]
asciilifeform: picture being able to download yer 'machine', run locally, modify, reupload, etc. [10:23]
asciilifeform: simulated box loses in speed, but wins back in versatility, if done ~properly~ (rather than like lulazon et al) [10:23]
* asciilifeform brb:teatime [10:24]
BingoBoingo: << I am very amenable to this and getting more boxes in the rack [11:32]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 13:19 mircea_popescu: i was thinking copies of extant, so as to give them to pizarro in exchange, see ? this way i don't have to move hdds [11:32]
asciilifeform: in other lulz [11:33]
asciilifeform: * sageprobes has quit (Quit: Page closed) << apparently ^him [11:34]
BingoBoingo: If we have boxes in the rack, someone will want them for something [11:35]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indeed [11:36]
mircea_popescu: seems to be the experuience so far, at any erate. [11:36]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do you have a clearer idea of when your next trip down to the land of Dairy, Pizza, and girl-looking girls is going to take place? [11:40]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can't in good conscience pick a date before i get the irons bought an' tested, but i suspect before end of (north hemisphere) summer, likely [11:41]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'm ok for a coupla boxes. so the idea here is, buy copies of smg items, so that smg items become colo for smg and the new ones go to pizarro for itsef [11:41]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: start thinkin' about what we want in the 2 remaining cargo slots. [11:41]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, sounds like The Right Thing [11:42]
mircea_popescu: if you wanna invoice me for this by thurs it's all ok, but if not, will pay upon return. [11:42]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've begun the search. will send you spec prior to buying [11:43]
mircea_popescu: aite. [11:43]
asciilifeform: ideally you want that type with the 2 slide-out ps [11:43]
* mircea_popescu shall be around today/tomorro/thurs anyway [11:43]
asciilifeform: a++ [11:43]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am inclined towards more 1U boxes or the APUs [11:43]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't care ? [11:43]
mircea_popescu: again, the idea is to give these to pizarro, in exchange of current boxes. [11:43]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if dun care, the 1ps type is slightly cheaprr [11:43]
mircea_popescu: so get same ones. [11:44]
asciilifeform: aite, will look for precisely same [11:44]
asciilifeform: ( last i saw, the folx from whom i bought prev set, still alive ) [11:44]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm thinking to get piz 2 of the same item also. [11:44]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: think also re what else we ought to have ( spare rk ? disks? etc ) [11:45]
asciilifeform: the small-boxen cluster thing is potentially useful, but somewhat fiddly in re: construction time [11:45]
asciilifeform: ideally Right Thing will be if we can a) lease out large boxen b) set up, in reasonably near term, the shared host scheme described upstack. [11:46]
asciilifeform: as for rk, asciilifeform is quite reluctant to expand the rk plant presently, as we lack a 100%-useful rk gnat [11:47]
BingoBoingo: Right, the SPU is however interesting. [11:47]
asciilifeform: interesting, but slightly underpowered for the $ [11:48]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: presumably you were speaking of 'apu1' [11:48]
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah the APU one with the msata slots [11:49]
asciilifeform: aha [11:49]
asciilifeform: they're soldered-down 2core + 4GB ram thing. [11:49]
BingoBoingo: But... they do beat rockchip in potential diskiness, will need to shop a bit on this. [11:50]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to put some meat cycles into market survey then [11:51]
BingoBoingo: Aite [11:51]
asciilifeform: last i saw, apu1 was the only really usable x86 'small' box of which can mount several in one 1u [11:52]
asciilifeform: ( i'm entirely uninterested in intel's , or fritzchipped-amd, offerings, ftr ) [11:52]
asciilifeform: ( ~those~ -- if someone wants to colo, we'll colo, but i cannot justify to spend piz coin on such atrocity ) [11:53]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The box swap sounds like a deal, would you like the colocation invoiced annually on both boxes or would you like the test box invoiced quarterly or monthly instead? [12:07]
mircea_popescu: anually together works. [12:08]
mircea_popescu: !!up kiwi_88 [12:08]
mircea_popescu: awe no deedbot again ?! [12:09]
mircea_popescu: trinque, ^ [12:09]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz : crapple proclaimed a 6k usd (bare-bones config, ~34k for full!) comp lcd for it : 5k ~leg~ for lcd : 999 $ . [12:21]
asciilifeform: even crapple hall audience, consisting of hand-picked flunkies who bought costly tickets, jeered [12:22]
mircea_popescu: wtf [12:22]
asciilifeform: seems as if the ipnoje thing did not pan out, and what remains of crapple, is attempting a return to 1990s [12:22]
asciilifeform: when various folx who 'i won't microshit, basta' were willing to shell out 5-6k (1990s! usd) for various irons [12:23]
mircea_popescu: aww. [12:23]
mircea_popescu: i thogjt it bought russia. [12:23]
mircea_popescu: in fairness, figuring inflation, that 34k is worth less today than the ~2k i paid for (14 in!!! vga crt in the early 90s [12:24]
asciilifeform: << oblig, re subj [12:42]
mircea_popescu: heh [12:43]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in asciilifeform's locale, price of tapwater has gone up ~2x. [12:45]
asciilifeform: 'only terrorists believe in inflation'!111 [12:45]
asciilifeform: ( this, in 1 quarter ) [12:45]
mircea_popescu: such terminal sovok [12:45]
asciilifeform: this is pre-terminal sovok, terminal is when 'tapwater worx on tuesdays and fridays' [12:46]
mircea_popescu: and odds are, once this new sovok is dead, people will stop remembering the insanely iiritating if entirely inconsequential idiocies of the office drones & bureaucrats [12:46]
mircea_popescu: and regret it. [12:46]
asciilifeform: prolly. they'll remember fountain soda for 1 kopeika / glass, like asciilifeform does. [12:47]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> meanwhile, in asciilifeform's locale, price of tapwater has gone up ~2x. << There's a Pantsuit movement which advocated deliquent water payers need to be subsidized by relable water payers. Seems like your locale made it policy. [12:49]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only, but they put in 'tiered pricing' [12:49]
mircea_popescu: first step to only works on thu [12:49]
asciilifeform: where god help you if you have a garden etc [12:49]
asciilifeform: upstack, apparently the 5k lcd dun come with the 999 leg. ( and won't mount to standard leg w/out a 200 $ adapter ( or, i suppose, illicit 'drm circumventing' electric drill... ) ) [13:03]
asciilifeform: whole thing quite reminiscent of pete dushenski's plastic mercedes [13:04]
asciilifeform: ( betcha he'll eagerly buy this box, and post... ) [13:05]
mircea_popescu: i doubt it [13:05]
asciilifeform: who if not him [13:05]
mircea_popescu: among the upper middle class / lower upper class the fashion is nao "frugality" (codeword) [13:05]
mircea_popescu: i dunno, 1-2 "creative" agencies in ny, might prefer paying 35k in office furniture than 10k/year extra salary [13:06]
mircea_popescu: that kinda thing [13:06]
asciilifeform: i suspect bureaucrats, eating kickbacks, keep alive crapple's comp div. e.g. uni of md decade ago actually bought coupla hundred of those g5 crapples (similar price), they sat around and nao sit in the surplus shop, 50bux ea., no one wants [13:08]
asciilifeform: iirc trinque found 1 in a surplus auction somewhere, booted it up [13:08]
mircea_popescu: aha [13:08]
asciilifeform: these also only worked with custom lcd iirc. [13:12]
asciilifeform: was their last, afaik, box , prior to the switch to intel arch [13:14]
asciilifeform: quite hungry for mains current, iirc 250W / cpu [13:15]
mircea_popescu: my gamin gthing is like 850W [13:18]
asciilifeform: sustained?! or ps max [13:18]
mircea_popescu: ps max. sustained maybe 200 tbh [13:18]
asciilifeform: right [13:18]
mircea_popescu: yeah [13:18]
asciilifeform: iirc crapple's g5 actually ate that 250, sustained [13:18]
mircea_popescu: ouch [13:19]
asciilifeform: iirc story was, they were unable to practically laptopize it , and as result gave up and went x86 [13:19]
mircea_popescu: wait, this was a LAPTOP ?! [13:22]
asciilifeform: no [13:22]
asciilifeform: was massive tower thing [13:22]
mircea_popescu: ah ah i see [13:22]
asciilifeform: already in those days they were making most of the mac sales in lappy tho [13:22]
asciilifeform: subj, ftr. [13:23]
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asciilifeform: meanwhile, strictly for entomological aficionados, cont. of hungarian thrd : [13:49]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-03 16:18 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in weird hungarian d00d lulz, [13:49]
asciilifeform: 'i never saw it before, but here is how you can fix!111' [13:50]
asciilifeform: 'I could never write serial uart code. maybe there are algorithm errors in the protocol that I don't know about or miss. I'd just use a tested library. I always have really high-level conceptual ideas, I often get lost in the minutiae.' [13:58]
mircea_popescu: aka "idea men" in bitcoin's early days. [13:59]
asciilifeform: i'm satisfied, fwiw, that d00d was ordinary crackpot, rather than professional appendage ( tho given the calibre of 'pro appendages' these days... ) [13:59]
asciilifeform: he reminds me of r. kulisz [14:00]
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y [14:00]
asciilifeform: ( who at one time wrote to asciilifeform erry week, re also 'ideas' , until finally burned out ) [14:00]
mircea_popescu: in other such, neighbour got himself a rented cat earth mover. something SO FUCKIN GWEIRD about little excavator caught inside microscopic garden, 2ft from builduing corner... [14:02]
mircea_popescu: "high level ideas" tm [14:02]
asciilifeform: hey, micro excavator better investment imho than 'cheese grater mac' [14:02]
asciilifeform: or hm rented lol [14:03]
mircea_popescu: rented im sure [14:04]
BingoBoingo: Just because it is micro doesn't mean the maintenance needs are micro too! [14:04]
asciilifeform: 'if I wanted to influence your RNG I would attack it at the von neumann fair toss algorithm, by ensuring that I have control over pairs of outputs somehow.' << didjaknow!111 [14:12]
asciilifeform: 'cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that would lead to such...' (tm)(r)(babbage) [14:13]
mircea_popescu: i suspect you're paying way the fuck too much attention. [14:31]
asciilifeform: i do have a 'butterfly collection' of crackpots, goin' for ~two decades nao [14:34]
mircea_popescu: should prolly start a museum [14:35]
asciilifeform: my www's links bar used to be this 'museum', but cleaned it up a bit last yr [14:35]
mircea_popescu: i recall lol [14:36]
BingoBoingo: The links also only last so long as the linked stays on. Proper butterfly collection needs pinned under glass. [14:37]
mircea_popescu: ^ [14:37]
asciilifeform: iirc i switched a couple of'em to archived copy [14:38]
asciilifeform: e.g. kokkarinen [14:38]
mircea_popescu: is that guy still alive ? [14:38]
asciilifeform: i think at 1 time i had moar dead than living in that links bar lol [14:38]
asciilifeform: kokkarinen ? last i knew ( yr or so ago ) he was sorta alive, quietly teaching freshman discretemaffs in some canadian shithole [14:39]
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder he didn't go the ususal way for these [14:39]
asciilifeform: drink ? [14:43]
asciilifeform: possibly he did. last word i was able to get out of him, in iirc 2012, it was 'my shrink told me it would be best if i did not post any more' [14:43]
mircea_popescu: well no, shoot the policw [14:43]
asciilifeform: a [14:44]
asciilifeform: not esp. common exit for old uni profs [14:44]
asciilifeform: !#s ilkka [14:44]
a111: 51 results for "ilkka", [14:44]
asciilifeform: << 1st time he was gagged. iirc actually sued & won [14:45]
a111: Logged on 2014-11-16 05:31 mircea_popescu: The brilliant Finnish-Canadian computer science professor / blogger Ilkka Kokkarinen has taken down his popular blog, presumably to keep his job after his campus newspaper noticed his heterodox views. His skepticism about the intellectual consistency of lesbian-feminist theory and practice would appear to have been his biggest crime. [14:45]
asciilifeform: 2nd time, i have nfi specifically what was done to him, but no moar heard from him. [14:45]
asciilifeform: hilariously, d00d had orig. moved to usa from finland to 'escape socialism' [14:46]
asciilifeform: ( at 1 time -- finland was alive with thinkin' folx ) [14:47]
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 01:00 asciilifeform strongly suspects there's a motherlode of naggumism of finns, that could be excavated if anyone were to liberate the 'dejanews' stash. [14:47]
asciilifeform: err, canada, not usa proper [14:47]
asciilifeform: but in my head same item!111 [14:47]
asciilifeform: << uni site. but devil knows when last updated. [14:49]
asciilifeform: apparently he has a new www, but it's fulla graphics proggies and not very interesting [14:50]
asciilifeform: last change sept '18 [14:50]
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness : a vintage ilkkaisms compendium, in the spirit of [14:53]
asciilifeform: + only , afaik, known public copy of his 1st www [14:54]
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:56 asciilifeform: from same thread, << still there, still afaik only copy of his 1st blog in existence on public net [14:54]
asciilifeform: [and seems that asciilifeform was not only 1 who wondered][] where he vanished to. [14:55]
asciilifeform: err, [15:23]
asciilifeform: and seems that asciilifeform was not only 1 who wondered where he vanished to. [15:23]
BingoBoingo: !!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 12 [16:00]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [16:00]
BingoBoingo: !!v 10A5DB3B2E2481AC647D18F27ECA92E3B76634F034716480071B5EABDA9F59D7 [16:01]
deedbot: BingoBoingo canceled mircea_popescu invoice 12 [16:01]
BingoBoingo: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.6393680302 S.MG Colocation, two servers through June 2020 (141.7*2*12)/5319 USD [16:02]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [16:02]
BingoBoingo: !!v F47FDE0355C923A25BB38B946B4391D1D9D9998AF977AD4A002F8B55876EC712 [16:02]
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.6393680302 << S.MG Colocation, two servers through June 2020 (141.7*2*12)/5319 USD [16:03]
mircea_popescu: ... [16:06]
mircea_popescu: you seriously expect me to pay a year's worth of service with bitcoin evaluated 2/3 of market price ? [16:08]
BingoBoingo: Aite, I'll cancel it and reinvoice after the auctions [16:09]
BingoBoingo: When we have a new price [16:09]
BingoBoingo: !!cancel-invoice mircea_popescu 13 [16:10]
deedbot: Get your OTP: [16:11]
BingoBoingo: !!v C6189C73B9DF4F1C73E0442AF72B8A046B910F437E980735AA855C220072BD14 [16:11]
deedbot: BingoBoingo canceled mircea_popescu invoice 13 [16:11]
* BingoBoingo will fire off the auctions tonight after 0:00 UTC so they get top of the log page visibility [16:30]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : also i thought this was to go when the new boxen delivered ? [16:59]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you can get the boxes delivered this summer (Pizarrostan winter), I am very inclined to end the awful log archaeology attempt at rental pricing the two boxes in question now. There's a bunch of logmess and little clarity on what ought to be charged for rental on the boxes until the swap boxes are priced. [17:05]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: currently can't see why not. possibly even sooner than end of summer. [17:06]
asciilifeform: ( i do have to buy'em and properly test before flying'em, tho, and it is ~conceivable~ that one will be a dud and get mailed back etc ) [17:06]
asciilifeform: given what costs to transport to BingoBoingostan, cannot in good conscience put in crate an untested machine [17:09]
BingoBoingo: Right, they gotta be bought, tested, and entered into the datacenter before the final tally comes in we can use for basing a price. [17:10]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well recall thread, mircea_popescu will be taking up the existing units, and at the ordinary colo rate [17:10]
asciilifeform: the new ones, will be for piz. [17:10]
asciilifeform: this way mircea_popescu & diana_coman dun need to rebuild boxes and suffer down times [17:11]
BingoBoingo: Right. With all of that, I am inclined to take on good faith that the boxes will arrive in a not ridiculous timeline and simply start charging a pure colo rate to S.MG. [17:11]
BingoBoingo: Many hours have been spent log digging and the big take away is that while overspecing a contract to cover every contingency is bad, time doesn't ever stop what happens at renewal time has to be clear. [17:16]
mircea_popescu: i dun have a problem with paying rental till then [17:34]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, when the boxes get here and there's better price information I can invoice for however many months the gap between now and delivery ended up being. [17:36]
mircea_popescu: that's... [17:36]
mircea_popescu: generous. [17:36]
BingoBoingo: I'd still be invoicing colocation before invoicing the backrent. The math I am inclined to use to calculate the backrent would be is: [17:44]
BingoBoingo: (cost of the servers involved the swap)/2 to get the annual basis for charging rent as proposed here and then invoicing for however many months it took the machines to get here [17:44]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 19:19 BingoBoingo: In order to break the present state of sin and approach the proposed, more reasonable figure, going forward my inclination is to have box rental priced to recover 90% of their book cost over the first year's rents and in following years track 50% per annum as a longevity discount. [17:44]
BingoBoingo: << My aim, as clumsy as it probably seems is to navigate Pizarro out of the our year one messes while preserving or creating enough goodwill to have a Pizarro year 3. [17:51]
a111: Logged on 2019-06-04 21:36 mircea_popescu: generous. [17:51]
mircea_popescu: aite, well, if you can live with this, i have no problem paying your retrobill when the shipment's made [17:55]
asciilifeform: a++ [17:56]
* asciilifeform bbl:meat [17:56]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you. [17:59]
feedbot: << Qntra -- Chinese Ministries Issue Advisories Cautioning Against Travel To US Over Crime And Law Enforcement Hazards To Chinese Citizens [18:15]
BingoBoingo: In local news: the old labor and the aspiring labor [18:18]
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 154mn 120 500 WFF, WU esta bien [20:11]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1048 created by BingoBoingo: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Opening: 154mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours) [20:11]
BingoBoingo: !Xbuy 400mn 120 2835 WFF, Wire Only [20:11]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1049 created by BingoBoingo: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Opening: 400mn ecu Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (119 hours) [20:11]
auctionbot: Buy order # 1048: 500 WFF, WU esta bien Heard: 154mn from lobbes. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:30.974170 UTC (119 hours 33 mins) [20:38]
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