thelastpsychiatrist.com - Aren't Two Antipsychotics Better Than One? The Most Important Article on Psychiatry, Part 3. Adnotated.
MY PSYCHIATRIST WANTS TO GIVE ME TWO ANTIPSYCHOTICS AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT SHOULD I DO?
Undoubtedly, your first impulse will be to punch him in the testicles, but as you know, the Kellogg-Briand pact (1928) expressly forbids thisi. However, it is notably silent on the issue of voodoo / shark attacks, which can be used with discretion.
Go back and read Parts 1 and 2. I'll wait.
Antipsychotics exhibit their antipsychotic effect through D2 blockade. There may come a day where a drug is invented that works through some other mechanism, maybe glutamate, but as of right now, all the available antipsychotics work through D2 blockade. Everything else is irrelevant. Now, these other receptors might be relevant for other effects (reducing anxiety, antidepression, etc) but let's try to focus on the specific problem and not get all Andrew Weil here.
Take a look at the following figure again, showing % blockade of receptors (serotonin or dopamine) as a function of dose.
So you'll observe a few things.
First, these antipsychotics will have equivalences in dosage. If you use 10mg Zyprexa as a baseline, how much dopamine does it block? 70%. How much Risperdal does it take to block the same amount? 3mg. Therefore, 10mg Zyprexa = 3mg Risperdal. If you look at the graphs for the other antipsychotics (not shown -- sheer laziness), you get the following conversion for antipsychotic effects:
10mg Zyprexa = 3mg Risperdal = 500mg Seroquel = 120mg Geodon
Interestingly, most comparator trials done -- which look at symptom responses -- show these same equivalences. For example, ZEUS Geodon vs. Zyprexa trial: 126mg Geodon = 11mg Zyprexa. This shouldn't be surprising since THAT'S HOW THE DRUGS ARE WORKING.
Second, no drug company can claim their drug has superior efficacy, because, again, they're all working through the same mechanism. Certainly, people tolerate each drug differently, but that's not efficacy, is it? Certainly an individual might respond to one better, but you have no way of predicting that. You simply cannot tell, by looking at someone, which drug will work and which won't. I'll show you: which drug will work best for this guy?
It's a trick question: the correct answer is penicillin.ii
The only way a drug company or study could claim to find superiority is if they don't use comparable dosages. "We found that Risperdal 6mg was significantly more effective than 100mg of Seroquel." Really? Bite me.
Third, and this is really a math question: Since there are a finite number of D2 receptors in your skull, if you are on 6mg or Risperdal -- which blocks 90% of them, and the doctor decides to augment with some Zyprexa, where's the Zyprexa going to go? Answer: your thighs.iii
It's not going to D2 receptors, because they're all already blocked with Risperdal. So it's just going to go around to other receptors -- H1, a1, M1, etc -- all of which have nothing to do with bipolar or psychosis.iv Issues of tolerability aside, mixing two antipychotics is no different than giving more of just one antipsychotic.
"Abiliquel" -- taking Abilify and adding Seroquel -- is sheer idiocy of such magnitude that even Eli Roth is repulsed. The first time someone told me what Abiliquel was, the room became filled with the sounds of six guys screaming in horrific pain, and that was because I was punching them in the testicles.v Why not just give him Motrin + Advil? Oh: "But I use it cleverly: I give 15mg of Abilify and 25mg of Seroquel. See?" I see. I see that you're bleeding from the testicles. Guess why.
You give 15mg Abilify -- that's acting as a D2 blocker. 25mg Seroquel isn't even a D2 blocker, it's an H1 blockervi, you're paying for an antipsychotic and getting Benadryl. You say, "well, I know," (liar), "but I'm using the Abilify as an antipsychotic and Seroquel as a sedative." But, Gwynethvii, you could have gotten the exact same effect by giving Abilify and Benadryl+trazodone -- which would be cheaper, and safer; or giving simply 500mg Seroquel alone, which would have gotten you both antipsychotic effect and sedative effect, thus reducing the cost by half, etc, etc. Remember that scene in the movie Hostelviii where Matthew McConaughey gets bitten by a radioactive lab rat and transforms into an immortal superhero?
No? Do you know why? Because you knew better than to see that celluloid atrocity. How come you didn't know better than to prescribe two antipsychotics at once? You don't mix Zoloft and Paxil together, do you? Haldol and Prolixin? Seriously, do you just make crap up as you go along, or do you have pharmacological non-[sequiturs] prepared in your Moleskine?
The same, by the way, goes for all you nutboxes who work in hospitals. If you have a patient on, say, 10,000mg of Seroquel, and he goes into an ER and gets indignant and flips a table over, and you inject him with 5mg of Haldol (90% blockade), you think that 10,000mg of Seroquel is doing him any good as an antipsychotic? I gots news for youse all: every time you prn (emergency dose)ix someone with Haldol, their brain is only on Haldol. Any other antipsychotic you give them that day is strictly a monetary gift to Big Pharma; you may as well PayPal them $180 and spare the patient the exposure.
On second thought, you may as well PayPal me.———
- Part of the complex web of cunt-sponsored nonsense that ushered in the Great Patriotic War. In practical terms it's how you said "pantsuit" last century. [↩]
- The implication being his disease is gonorrhea. [↩]
- The implication being that you're going to get fat (in a certain sort of way, ie like the uglier black women -- which is why the illustration has to be white trash). [↩]
- As a factual matter, this isn't specifically known ; not that I'm proposing the opposite is true or anything. [↩]
- Somebody's been reading Maddox, or something. [↩]
- Ie, antihistamine. [↩]
- Nfi why he's singling out the inventor of goop for her supposed ditziness. O, wait. [↩]
- I suppose this is where the obscure jew reference ties in, though I confess disinterest. [↩]
- prn actually stands for "pro re nata", literally "as things are born" but with the intension of "as the situation demands". [↩]