Forum logs for 31 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'I have a few friends (lawyers, hedge fund managers, high powered money types generally) who make sport of hunting and humiliating UStardian college professors socially. It is a sport I would like to see extended to the middle class. Next time you're at a pretentious party and you spot some douche in the uniform of "college professor", go see if you can make him admit he's not read a whole book....' << where i [00:06]
asciilifeform went to school, professoring is just a (poorly-paying) job, and the folks who did it showed no symptoms of conceiving of it as anything else [00:06]
shinohai Possibly they stopped learning. [00:07]
* asciilifeform could not help but take off his hat to, e.g., the fella who put off +ev employment until he was 40 and subsisted on chickenshit wage just so that he could teach asciilifeform and other scum algorithms, number theory, etc [00:08]
* wbdynamics ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:09]
asciilifeform but no, you won't find ~these~ profs at anything describable as 'pretentious party.' in fact, you won't find them at the high-end grocery shop, either. [00:09]
asciilifeform most of'em don't even have the 'job security' popularly associated with this line of work [00:10]
asciilifeform (typical u.s. state uni employs largely 'lecturers', who occupy approx. same place in the org chart as an air conditioner mechanic) [00:10]
shinohai !b6 [00:10]
shinohai !b 6 [00:11]
assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [00:11]
asciilifeform << obligatory. british, but applicable. [00:11]
assbot Why I am Not a Professor ... ( ) [00:11]
asciilifeform (all socblok countries are much alike) [00:11]
shinohai "They are in fact, the last bastions of mediaevalism left in modern society outside, perhaps, the church." <<< I like it already, because though I do not believe in God, I am somehow drawn to the church for just that reason. [00:13]
asciilifeform a tenured prof is prolly the closest thing that presently exists in the western world to ~titled nobility~ [00:14]
asciilifeform fwiw. [00:15]
v_diddy except that if they sleep with their students they still get canned. [00:15]
v_diddy BingoBoingo: funny, hadn't heard that one. [00:16]
BingoBoingo (typical u.s. state uni employs largely 'lecturers', who occupy approx. same place in the org chart as an air conditioner mechanic) << air conditioner mechanic comparatively makes bank compared to uni lecturer, and often professor [00:16]
asciilifeform v_diddy: 'canned' means something quite else for a tenured prof than for the rank and file. [00:16]
mircea_popescu [00:16]
asciilifeform typically, anything short of a proper felony conviction results in demotion at the most. [00:17]
assbot How To Retire At Age 27 | Thought Broadcast ... ( ) [00:17]
v_diddy anyone game to compare (via ritzy) to the odds on bitbet? [00:17]
assbot 2016 President - Republican Nomination | PredictWise ... ( ) [00:17]
BingoBoingo v_diddy: Mr. Combs is not a candidate really to lecture at Ben & Pete's Skoolarium [00:17]
* funkenstein_ (~bowler@ has left #bitcoin-assets [00:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's a thing, thick jacket with applied elbow patches, certain haircut, certain glasses, laptop-like case on shoulder, open collar shirt... [00:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no need to go far, see the case of, e.g., terry davis [00:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik these creatures exist only in hollywood films [00:18]
v_diddy i don't think pete's actually interested in /building/ the skoolarium [00:18]
mircea_popescu we're not discussing here random derp making 63k a year from community college, we're discussing here krugman or w/e his name is, the nyt resident finance derp [00:18]
v_diddy much less doing it to pound sense into his own spawn. could be wrong though. [00:19]
mircea_popescu !up wbdynamics [00:19]
-assbot- You voiced wbdynamics for 30 minutes. [00:19]
* assbot gives voice to wbdynamics [00:19]
v_diddy ;;later tell pete_dushenski ^^ [00:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they come here on tour once in a spell. they don't wear this 'uniform' either. [00:19]
mircea_popescu also these guys don't teach anything whatsoever. they mostly try to be carrie from sex and the city, except without the sex. [00:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: These creatures exist even at regional colleges, check "humanities department." Seems they adopted the uniform from Hollywood. [00:20]
BingoBoingo << 3 Jackets in one department alone [00:21]
assbot Faculty | Department Name | SIU ... ( ) [00:21]
v_diddy anyways, four days a l'hopital, 36 hours of labor [00:21]
* v_diddy is taking some fucking paternity leave [00:21]
mircea_popescu not bad for a noob. [00:22]
mircea_popescu also this is what you get for not favouring birthing hips! [00:22]
BingoBoingo Dayum v_diddy so how many babbies were there? [00:22]
mircea_popescu kim could have been done in 36 minutes. [00:22]
v_diddy i like my secular christian babes [00:22]
BingoBoingo kim could have been done in 36 minutes. << Not anymore. Not with the new FUPA since she let herself go. [00:22]
mircea_popescu baby chews right through dat! [00:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: One of those fellows on the linked page actually to my knowledge draws not one, but TWO professorial salaries from the same university. [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00053899 = 10.4564 BTC [+] {3} [00:24]
BingoBoingo One of the other jacket people may also be drawing a second salary now too. [00:24]
* Cory has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:26]
* Cory (~Cory@unaffiliated/cory) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:28]
phf v_diddy: congrats! [00:30]
v_diddy ty phf et al [00:31]
mircea_popescu "That specific issue reveals an important bias and misunderstanding America has when it talks about employment. Yes, there is an issue about people wanting to work but the other issue is that the global economy is too quick and efficient to tolerate your idiotic car troubles or your imbecilic grandmother's death or your moronic lack of child care (cue Scandinavia) or, and mostly, your stupid health. The economy was a [00:32]
mircea_popescu Ferrari and now it's only a Honda, but either way, not much time for absences and no time at all for Keisha's learning curve. Keisha isn't just unemployed, she is completely unemployable. We can argue whether auto plants should pay $20/hr or $50/hr, but for certain there is no market for unskilled labor at all." [00:32]
mircea_popescu << tlp, at the top of his game [00:32]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: How To Be Mean To Your Kids ... ( ) [00:32]
v_diddy mod6, hanbot, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform [00:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on the other end, there is also precious little market for... skilled anything. [00:32]
mircea_popescu naphex's been trying to hire skilled cocksuckers ; i've been trying to hire skilled pr ; bitbet still needs skilled bookies [00:33]
asciilifeform (because what does zimbabwe need engineer for ? as far as the people's republic is concerned, he's just another shit-scooper ~but with pretensions~) [00:33]
v_diddy asciilifeform: doesn't this thread devolve into "there's precious little market for anything not supported by usg"? [00:33]
mircea_popescu there's a huge market for all sorts of skilled and a large pile of people who want skilled to mean what they want it to mean. [00:33]
asciilifeform v_diddy: was trying to speak of... actual market [00:33]
mircea_popescu which is fine, but it also means they gotta run their life as a business. [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how else can it run ? [00:34]
asciilifeform i suppose there is 'as a charity' ('keisha' et al) [00:34]
mircea_popescu then stop bitching and make those warrants / shares worth something. [00:34]
mircea_popescu today. [00:34]
mircea_popescu that's the measure of skilled in a life run as a business [00:34]
v_diddy << dude this notion that children must of necessity be -ev is a strictly temporal and american thing [00:34]
assbot Logged on 18-10-2015 16:46:39; asciilifeform: 'this problem will not be solved for you personally, pray that your grandchildren get to live like people' <--> 'but i don't want to have children, i want to live like people ~myself~' [00:34]
B0g4r7 bad_duck BananaLotus BeliSK BigBitz binaryatrocity BingoBoingo btcdrak [00:35]
asciilifeform v_diddy: they're -ev. [00:35]
v_diddy "must be rich to not send kids to school" [00:35]
mircea_popescu v_diddy how do you plan to extract value from the offspring ? [00:35]
v_diddy no, don't send kids to school. make them put up molding in the remodel. they learn something, the thing increases in value. [00:35]
v_diddy make them shred papers. they learn something, biz gets shit done. [00:35]
mircea_popescu either that or they waste the consumables, break the tools and injure themselves. [00:36]
v_diddy has yet to happen with /anyone/ i've taught to use power tools. [00:36]
mircea_popescu or in other words, [00:36]
mircea_popescu "You will observe the Keisha does not even have the enthusiasm to know what is written on the most important economic documents of her life. "I don't know, bipolar, panic attacks, whatever they put on there." She can't be bothered to handle those papers, someone else is in charge of that. How attentive will she be to the frier? McDonalds doesn't want to find out." [00:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the thing that i was bitching about earlier is that nobody cared to find out how attentive ~i~ would be to the frier either [00:37]
asciilifeform the last time i went. [00:37]
mircea_popescu well yeah, because you'll prolly split in six weeks. [00:37]
* asciilifeform wonders how far along usa collapse needs to be for this assumption to fade away [00:37]
mircea_popescu prolly 20 years. [00:38]
v_diddy tending the aquaponics, banging together a new dome, romping unattended in the neighbors fields not incurring costs... [00:38]
v_diddy failure of imagination, i tell yas. [00:38]
* schmidty ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:39]
asciilifeform v_diddy: it is a perfectly fine thing to have pets, there is no need to pretend that they're +ev [00:39]
mircea_popescu the record shall duly show. [00:39]
* schmidty is now known as Guest83384 [00:39]
mircea_popescu ok this is enough of this. [00:39]
chanserv +OP #bitcoin-assets [00:39]
-ChanServ- Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. [00:39]
chanserv +OP [00:40]
-ChanServ- Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. [00:40]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [00:40]
* ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu [00:40]
* mircea_popescu sets ban on *!*@* [00:40]
* mircea_popescu has kicked Guest83384 from #bitcoin-assets (Guest83384) [00:40]
asciilifeform l0l [00:40]
mircea_popescu da fuck, why did it miss a field. [00:40]
v_diddy how do you draw the line between pets and livestock, asciilifeform? [00:41]
asciilifeform v_diddy: livestock (if you've any business with them) are +ev [00:41]
asciilifeform milk, meat. [00:41]
v_diddy circular [00:41]
chanserv +b *!* [00:41]
-ChanServ- Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. [00:41]
chanserv FLAGS +b *!* [00:42]
-ChanServ- Channel +b is not registered. [00:42]
asciilifeform not circular. nominal. [00:42]
v_diddy that's not livestock it's a pet [00:42]
v_diddy how do you know? [00:42]
chanserv FLAGS b *!* [00:42]
-ChanServ- Channel b is not registered. [00:42]
v_diddy it's -ev? [00:42]
chanserv b *!* [00:42]
-ChanServ- Invalid command. Use /msg ChanServ help for a command listing. [00:42]
v_diddy how do you know? [00:42]
v_diddy well it's a pet [00:42]
asciilifeform aha, if you keep it around for no good reason other than that you like, e.g., its fur, its purr - it is a pet. [00:42]
v_diddy or if it cooks, cleans, builds, still pet. [00:42]
trinque you'd have to come at the thing by determining the value of your time, then the amount of time and resources devoted to the kid, what the kid ends up producing of value, does this offset the development period... [00:42]
trinque but I'd be fine to consider my kid an art project [00:43]
trinque at any rate it'll be fun to see what comes of your direction v_diddy :) [00:43]
asciilifeform aha. i've yet to meet anyone who had children ~as result of calculation~ [00:43]
asciilifeform (met plenty of folks who ~did not~ from same.) [00:43]
v_diddy what, you calculate the worth of a twenty lying on the street? [00:43]
asciilifeform ? [00:44]
v_diddy value is apparent to some people. [00:44]
mircea_popescu why the fuck is /mode #bitcoin-assets +b *!* do nothing ? [00:44]
v_diddy mircea_popescu: enjoys programming i see [00:44]
mircea_popescu god damned. [00:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53400 @ 0.00054193 = 28.9391 BTC [+] {3} [00:45]
v_diddy asciilifeform: are all financial products of knowable value? [00:45]
v_diddy 'products' [00:45]
v_diddy cfd, futures, options etc. [00:45]
v_diddy no of course not. [00:45]
v_diddy but perhaps with judicious selection and market knowledge one can over time make some money. [00:46]
v_diddy farmer who has 10 children 6 of which survive, 3 of which are useful on the farm doesn't calculate either. [00:46]
* mircea_popescu removes ban on *!*@* [00:47]
asciilifeform aw [00:47]
mircea_popescu this sucks. [00:47]
mircea_popescu i have nfi how to apply it properly. [00:47]
asciilifeform sux like electrolux [00:47]
* mircea_popescu sets ban on *!* [00:47]
mircea_popescu aha! [00:47]
mircea_popescu cant set a weaker one. cool. [00:47]
v_diddy mircea_popescu: programs like american [00:47]
* mircea_popescu removes channel operator status from mircea_popescu [00:47]
v_diddy does schmuck attempting to hedge against total collapse of local civilization calculate ROI of expanding meatwot? [00:48]
v_diddy worst case scenario i sell off a daughter or two to mircea_popescu [00:49]
* assbot removes voice from wbdynamics [00:49]
v_diddy they'll know latin, dance ballroom, play myriad instruments, perform ito. [00:49]
v_diddy he won't be able to resist! [00:49]
v_diddy failure of imagination. [00:50]
* trinque chuckles as the +ev scheme is laid bare! [00:50]
phf ito? [00:50]
* asciilifeform wishes v_diddy only the highest quality, not-at-all-regressed-to-mean offspring [00:51]
phf regressing to mean? that's a paddling [00:51]
v_diddy and how. [00:51]
v_diddy asciilifeform doubts my ability to milk humans of v! [00:52]
v_diddy the man would also rather chew tacks than talk to humans, so we are at an impasse. [00:52]
* asciilifeform is fortunately not needed for any of this. [00:52]
* agorecki (~agorecki@unaffiliated/agorecki) has joined #bitcoin-assets [00:53]
v_diddy asciilifeform: perhaps remembers the lotto tickets at con3? [00:54]
mircea_popescu like a what! [00:54]
asciilifeform v_diddy: aha. mega-win. [00:55]
v_diddy so there [00:56]
asciilifeform v_diddy: i also remember the one other time i had a lotto ticket; when the lab where i worked in 2011 was defunded, the boss passed the hat and, as a last l0l, bought lotto tickets [00:56]
v_diddy classic! [00:58]
asciilifeform oughta have bought booze. [00:58]
v_diddy actual incentive program at a place where a rescued $wotschmuck once labored [00:58]
v_diddy lotto ticket has unknowable, but predictably bad odds. [00:59]
asciilifeform wai wat [00:59]
asciilifeform entirely knowable odds [01:00]
v_diddy really? scratch-offs are provably trustable now? [01:00]
asciilifeform ah in that sense, no. [01:00]
v_diddy mk then. [01:00]
asciilifeform but you can rely on the 0. [01:00]
v_diddy sure sure [01:01]
v_diddy and also reversion to the mean [01:01]
trinque v_diddy: wait this wasn't a place I worked with the lotto tickets was it? [01:01]
trinque I would die laughing if that became a practice after I left [01:01]
v_diddy and also that any given individual including v_diddy thinks they're not an entirely average schmuck [01:02]
v_diddy trinque: bonus pool type scam? [01:02]
trinque I'm just mocking the poverty of $oldboss [01:03]
v_diddy oh yeah [01:03]
v_diddy no this was something different [01:03]
v_diddy "5k bonus pool cash, divvied up amongst ye, or 5k of lotto tickets (purchased at my convenience store) divvied up amongst ye" [01:03]
v_diddy trinque: man can i get $legendaryshitshow1 and $...2 from that guy yet? [01:04]
trinque people still work for him? [01:05]
v_diddy anyways, at a high level, one aspect of the wager i'm making here is that if a moron like me can with dilligence and self-discipline figure out how to turn a dollar into a buck twenty, if i bring the discipline and insist on the dilligence, i oughta be able to crap out at least one kid that can support me through $enddayz when my meatwot is all dead and dried up [01:06]
* TheRealJohnGalt has quit (Changing host) [01:06]
* TheRealJohnGalt (uid29986@unaffiliated/therealjohngalt) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:06]
* TheRealJohnGalt has quit (Changing host) [01:06]
* TheRealJohnGalt (uid29986@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:06]
v_diddy mircea_popescu: i found your next joinpartspamtarget [01:06]
mircea_popescu for crying out loud. [01:09]
mircea_popescu in other news : eggplant salad in mayo goes well with the local malbec. [01:09]
asciilifeform << on subject, via tlp [01:09]
assbot Dilbert Comic Strip on 1992-08-02 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ... ( ) [01:09]
v_diddy << who sets the targets for these petitions? [01:11]
assbot Pétition · Tell Scott Adams that raping a woman is not a natural instinct. · ... ( ) [01:11]
v_diddy the dumb thing would be for the petition initiator, right? [01:11]
mircea_popescu obama bin bimbo [01:11]
v_diddy and to set your own bar and then fail to jump it? [01:12]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how dumb women work. [01:13]
trinque so this petition gets "upboated" or w/e they called it here, and Obama is supposed to tell him "nuh uh" [01:13]
v_diddy oh this is an obab product [01:14]
v_diddy so where does the magic 5K number come from? [01:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10620 @ 0.00054525 = 5.7906 BTC [+] {2} [01:14]
trinque originally, perhaps the "nuh uh" is collectivised now [01:14]
mircea_popescu in other news, wrestling has progressed much since the old days of andy kaufman. they now tagteam women : [01:15]
assbot ... ( ) [01:15]
v_diddy ah oh man [01:15]
v_diddy change dot org [01:15]
v_diddy too funny [01:15]
mircea_popescu lol [01:15]
mircea_popescu si el presente es de lucha, el futuro es nuestro! [01:15]
asciilifeform lulz from tlp's commentz: [01:16]
asciilifeform 'In a little less than four decades, college tuition has risen 1400%. Housing costs have gone up 3100%. Gasoline has increased 1800%. Wages, on the other hand, have gone up 322%. The average increase in the three areas I have mentioned comes to 20 times. If income had kept pace with expenses, and if I were earning an amount equivalent to what my father earned in the 1960s, I would be making over one million dollars a year.' [01:16]
asciilifeform hay mas futuro, indeed. [01:16]
BingoBoingo really? scratch-offs are provably trustable now? << Even more of a Gamble in Illinois. Prize over $600, get paid maybe nevar. [01:16]
mircea_popescu hay mas futuro, pero no para todos. [01:16]
* TheRealJohnGalt is now known as TheRealJohnGalt2 [01:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: pretty sure that was al schwart's usenet sig for a while [01:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, the problem is this : out of a billion people, his father in 1960 was part of a group of a million, and the other 999 million were more than happy to be coolies. today, the author is part of the group of the useless. [01:18]
* agorecki has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:18]
mircea_popescu i would be very thankful he makes > 1k a year. [01:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a pauper's burial costs 5x this in usa. [01:18]
asciilifeform so it will have to be soap. [01:18]
mircea_popescu either that or flush them in one of those special hopsital toilets [01:18]
mircea_popescu made for real big people. [01:18]
* asciilifeform recalls the tale of dog-sized garbage disposals in a certain lab [01:19]
v_diddy mircea_popescu: re "powerful men behaving badly" is this symmetric with "powerful women behaving badly"? [01:23]
* agorecki (~agorecki@unaffiliated/agorecki) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:23]
* TheRealJohnGalt2 is now known as TheRealJohnGalt [01:24]
mircea_popescu can powerful women behave badly ? [01:24]
mircea_popescu take a moment and give me a scenario. [01:24]
asciilifeform what's this even mean [01:24]
v_diddy can you give me a scenario of a powerful man behaving badly? [01:24]
* agorecki (~agorecki@unaffiliated/agorecki) has left #bitcoin-assets [01:24]
mircea_popescu yes. the original one : you have to put a golden bubble around your kid's neck so powerful man behaving badly knows to rape some other kid in the gaggle of kids your kid's playing with. [01:25]
mircea_popescu what's she gonna do, suck them ALL off ? [01:26]
asciilifeform if it's golden, the fella will just steal it. gotta be trotyl bubble.. [01:26]
v_diddy asciilifeform: motorbikenuke! [01:26]
mircea_popescu fun fact : my latest piece, 10101 words. [01:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wasn't a problem at the time, somehow. [01:27]
mircea_popescu (the somehow is explained in the anonimity article) [01:27]
* v_diddy gives up now [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: help me out, how do you say 'беспредел' in english ? [01:28]
mircea_popescu independence. [01:28]
v_diddy in *other* news, gcaptain is an *awesome* blog [01:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope [01:28]
asciilifeform it is a specific term from su prison lexicon [01:29]
mircea_popescu hey, you asked how i say! [01:29]
v_diddy BingoBoingo: [01:29]
assbot U.S. Navy Sailor, Wife Plead Guilty to Dealing Heroin on Warship - gCaptain ... ( ) [01:29]
asciilifeform literally 'state of no bounds', in the least desirable possible sense [01:29]
* hanbot has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:30]
mircea_popescu lemme fish out that article. [01:30]
v_diddy trinque: [01:30]
assbot Ship Photo of the Day - A Glimpse Into the Unmanned Containership of the Future? - gCaptain ... ( ) [01:30]
asciilifeform what i originally wanted to note was the 'powerful' does not necessarily mean 'respects no bounds', could - if this is a stable convention for some reason - respect the gold bubbles [01:30]
mircea_popescu [01:30]
assbot Un prophète on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:30]
v_diddy [01:30]
assbot Dispute Over Rigged Ship Engine Tests Adds to Volkswagen's Woes - gCaptain ... ( ) [01:30]
trinque v_diddy: neat, surely armed security though? [01:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the reason the bound is respected is [01:31]
assbot Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:31]
mircea_popescu the bubble is a honest signal. [01:31]
* TheRealJohnGalt is now known as TheRealJohnGalt2 [01:31]
asciilifeform how else could it possibly work [01:31]
v_diddy trinque: rly? nigerians commandeering a freshly-built winxp ship? [01:32]
v_diddy anyways. gcaptain. [01:32]
* agorecki (~agorecki@unaffiliated/agorecki) has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:32]
trinque seems like it creates an immediate market for hack tools like what they use to take down drones [01:33]
v_diddy dude mircea_popescu would you handle agorecki and therealjohngalt while you're at it? [01:33]
chanserv OP #bitcoin-assets [01:33]
* ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu [01:33]
asciilifeform trinque: anyone who moves valuables on a gps-steered robot is asking for it [01:33]
* mircea_popescu sets ban on *!*agorecki@unaffiliated/agorecki [01:33]
* mircea_popescu sets ban on *!*@gateway/web/ [01:34]
* mircea_popescu has kicked TheRealJohnGalt2 from #bitcoin-assets (TheRealJohnGalt2) [01:34]
v_diddy [01:34]
assbot ... ( ) [01:34]
* mircea_popescu removes channel operator status from mircea_popescu [01:34]
v_diddy asciilifeform: ah, but the tightly-coupled gps-imu [01:34]
v_diddy with its own sounding rockets that relay the real gps signal back to the launch platform! [01:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24773 @ 0.00054536 = 13.5102 BTC [+] {2} [01:35]
v_diddy 4 days, 36 hours y'all. [01:35]
asciilifeform v_diddy: for a boat, it is really not hard to set up mechanized stellar tracker [01:37]
v_diddy autoastrolabe! [01:37]
v_diddy yes, i was typing something along the lines of "anyways, using gps for mission critical anything is braindamaged. you're better off with dead reckoning and navigation by star." [01:38]
v_diddy anyways, the "drone" comms are /entirely/ unencrypted. [01:39]
v_diddy rc aircraft idem. [01:39]
asciilifeform toy store machine, toy store crypto [01:39]
v_diddy *another* killer application of gossipd. [01:40]
* v_diddy goes shuffling through drawers for the uav wargames notes [01:41]
asciilifeform how's gossipd relate ? [01:41]
* cardigm has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:42]
* coinaday ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:42]
* cardigm (~Cardigm@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:43]
v_diddy swarm coordination [01:43]
mircea_popescu i don't get this : not like you can't put encryption on top of a clear channel [01:43]
v_diddy mircea_popescu: uav/rc suffers from the pile of chairs problem [01:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why would toy maker bother. [01:44]
v_diddy if you want the systems to behave sanely, you have to rewrite everything down to the wire protocols [01:44]
* v_diddy digs [01:44]
mircea_popescu well toy maker i dunno, but you can do it if you care. [01:44]
asciilifeform a matched set of rf boxes that 9600 bauds in either direction, and you can do what you like with the outs, is commercial sop and costs maybe ten bux. [01:45]
v_diddy ehehahueahuaehu this aughta set asciilifeform off [01:45]
v_diddy [01:45]
assbot ... ( ) [01:45]
asciilifeform v_diddy: famous crown corp. [01:46]
v_diddy i am intimately familiar! [01:46]
asciilifeform they sell 'verified' crypto to usg [01:46]
v_diddy have worked with them numerously! [01:46]
asciilifeform the document appears to describe standard gcm/aes. snore. [01:46]
v_diddy aha but haskell!11 [01:47]
v_diddy "have haskell, will travel" [01:47]
v_diddy corp motto. [01:47]
asciilifeform i thought that was jane street co. [01:47]
v_diddy quants? [01:47]
v_diddy what traveling do quants do, they work for the bank. [01:48]
* asciilifeform does not know. [01:48]
* Evolyn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [01:48]
v_diddy anyways, first brush with "security industry" [01:49]
v_diddy impression i walked away with was that of nerd's protection racket [01:50]
v_diddy "oh your wordpress is very very insecure. it has shared php hosting. you need to spend $maxint to migrate to custom blablabla with frufrufru to protect your reputation and reduce the risk of br34ches!1" [01:50]
asciilifeform laundry. [01:51]
v_diddy laundry? [01:51]
* sueastside has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [01:51]
asciilifeform nobody gives a rat's arse what they purportedly make. [01:51]
asciilifeform favourite sons need warm nest. [01:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19109 @ 0.00054547 = 10.4234 BTC [+] [01:52]
* sueastside ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:53]
* Evolyn_ ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [01:53]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu << i have no idea if you have the ru to appreciate this, but it is rather like a distilled version of 11 or so of your articles [01:54]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:54]
v_diddy there were more players. [01:54]
assbot Как правильно допрашивать перед расстрелом (Меняйлов) - YouTube ... ( ) [01:54]
mircea_popescu doesn't wanna play for some reason. [01:55]
asciilifeform i might do a translation at some point, if mircea_popescu can find a box where it plays. [01:56]
mircea_popescu gee look at that, an hour's worth of video [01:56]
mircea_popescu not sure i wouldn't rather read the 11 articles [01:57]
* asciilifeform only saw 10 min [01:57]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [02:00]
punkman bon dia [02:00]
mircea_popescu "The media's preferred symbol for the disintegration of public order is looting, i.e the opposite of shopping." [02:02]
* wbdynamics has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:05]
* Evolyn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:05]
punkman indeed. on a sidenote, all the recent instances of looting around here were mobs taking food from supermarkets, not widescreen TVs. [02:05]
mircea_popescu wait, greece is in looting mode ? [02:06]
punkman not really, it has happened a few time in past decade though [02:06]
mircea_popescu ah [02:06]
punkman usually same demographic as the kids throwing rocks and molotovs at cops, not actual hungry people [02:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.00054554 = 19.5849 BTC [+] [02:07]
punkman v_diddy: congrats, καλορίζικο και καλοτάξιδο [02:08]
v_diddy ty! and here's hoping. [02:11]
* coinaday has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [02:12]
punkman asciilifeform: a tenured prof is prolly the closest thing that presently exists in the western world to ~titled nobility~ << I don't buy it. Back when tenure was a thing, they wanted to keep professors around until parts started falling off. Now there's an endless stream of "professors", and gotta hire them so they can say "our PHDs get jobs" [02:12]
asciilifeform punkman: where i live, tenure is still a thing. in that the courts have held it to be a perverse kind of nontransferable property interest [02:13]
asciilifeform quite like nobility in the old days [02:14]
v_diddy tenured professors can kill with impunity? [02:15]
asciilifeform v_diddy: 'noble' meant very different things in different places. [02:15]
punkman (kill == bad grades) [02:15]
* CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [02:16]
asciilifeform e.g., poland, where a good 7-10% of the place were, nominally, 'szlachta' [02:16]
asciilifeform punkman: the folks who 'gotta hire endless stream' of are called 'instructors' here. [02:17]
asciilifeform they are lower than dirt on the org chart. [02:17]
* Chameleous has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:22]
* DreadKnight (~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15009 @ 0.00054554 = 8.188 BTC [+] [02:28]
* DreadKnight has quit (Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( )) [02:31]
* agorecki has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:32]
punkman [02:34]
assbot On Trigger Warnings | AAUP ... ( ) [02:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36211 @ 0.00054594 = 19.769 BTC [+] {2} [02:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00054554 = 13.2021 BTC [-] [02:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45589 @ 0.00054649 = 24.9139 BTC [+] {2} [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25445 @ 0.00054554 = 13.8813 BTC [-] [02:50]
* Chameleous (~Muymal@2601:449:8400:4570:84a2:2eda:5343:dcde) has joined #bitcoin-assets [02:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00054554 = 5.4554 BTC [-] [02:53]
BingoBoingo !up Chameleous [02:54]
* assbot gives voice to Chameleous [02:54]
mircea_popescu " If you wanted to learn, you headed towards where the books were and the people who could read them and that meant the great universities like Paris and Oxford." [03:06]
mircea_popescu ha-ha. [03:06]
mircea_popescu it meant paris. what the fuck is this "oxford" [03:06]
mircea_popescu derpy brits keep trying to retcon their insignificant island into things. [03:06]
* Xuthus (~x@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [03:20]
* assbot removes voice from Chameleous [03:25]
punkman mircea_popescu: oxford was never great? [03:27]
mircea_popescu the thesis was whether oxford was there in the original wot. it was not. [03:28]
mircea_popescu at the time the paris university was starting the entire university thing, the king of france wouldn't have traded a middling french province for all of england ; which also he didn't. [03:29]
mircea_popescu at the time, the english were exactly like the 1600s scots (see their darien gap adventure). so they copied the bitcoin out of some idle kids and some peasants, which ended kloinking each other in the head. [03:30]
mircea_popescu three centuries later the dutch conquered england, moved their fleet there and so yes oxford eventually flourished. but the claim that it was "there in the 13th century" is spurious. [03:31]
mircea_popescu as a ready shorthand, remember that in 1400 the entire material production of the entire archipelago was worth about the same as that of one neighbourhood in milan. [03:35]
punkman i see. pretty dense history lesson there [03:38]
mircea_popescu the whole fantasy is very cs-scientist level of naive. read villon's testament - it should make it very plain what the point of university life was cca 1500 : THAT YOU COULD WALK IT. [03:40]
mircea_popescu everyone had one, and you could walk from basel to luxembourg. [03:41]
mircea_popescu this was immense - at the time a peasant who wanted to move, provided he somehow managed, had to fucking drag his entire possessions, on a rug. no wheels even, because too fucking techy for a peasant. [03:41]
mircea_popescu whereas the vagabond could carry all his possessions in his head! [03:41]
mircea_popescu THIS is why peasant chicks wistfully wisted for l'etudiant. because it is fucking fascinating, you are seriously telling me you can ~just go~ ?!?!?! [03:42]
mircea_popescu how do you do that from oxford, you swim the channel or something ? [03:42]
mircea_popescu england wasn't part of the party, not at that time. [03:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24109 @ 0.00054554 = 13.1524 BTC [-] [03:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00054874 = 24.9128 BTC [+] {3} [04:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6211 @ 0.00054966 = 3.4139 BTC [+] [04:25]
* Duffer_ ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [04:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21617 @ 0.00054814 = 11.8491 BTC [-] {2} [04:34]
* Duffer_ has quit (Client Quit) [04:34]
BingoBoingo [04:58]
assbot Billion Dollar Blimp Victim of Police Shooting | Qntra ... ( ) [04:58]
* Chameleous has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:07]
* punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [05:22]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [05:25]
* punkman1 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [05:27]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [05:28]
* sinetek (~quassel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [05:34]
* Xuthus has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00055108 = 3.5269 BTC [+] [05:46]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [05:55]
punkman [05:57]
assbot ... ( ) [05:57]
* punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [05:59]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [06:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00055058 = 15.6915 BTC [-] [06:13]
* stefek99 (uid41457@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23728 @ 0.00054556 = 12.945 BTC [-] {2} [06:49]
* hazirafel (~hazirafel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [06:52]
* Xuthus (~x@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [06:57]
* coinaday ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [07:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00055101 = 17.5221 BTC [+] {3} [07:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00055175 = 8.2211 BTC [+] [07:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48084 @ 0.00055201 = 26.5428 BTC [+] {2} [07:31]
* coinaday has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [07:42]
jurov i feel very dense now...v_diddy is sean combs? and you all congrat him for what? [08:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00055031 = 5.0629 BTC [-] [08:08]
danielpbarron it's ben_vulpes and it means he's a father [08:09]
jurov lol [08:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36349 @ 0.00055204 = 20.0661 BTC [+] [08:13]
* CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [08:13]
* punkman1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:15]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [08:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00055019 = 1.1818 BTC [-] {2} [08:17]
* sinetek has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:19]
* sinetek (~quassel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [08:27]
jurov mircea_popescu: in your quest for other non-derpy irc chans, have you tried #lisp? [08:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00054976 = 11.9023 BTC [-] [08:58]
* binaryatrocity has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [09:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00054976 = 12.562 BTC [-] [09:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00054617 = 20.3721 BTC [-] {2} [09:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00054582 = 2.5654 BTC [-] [09:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74000 @ 0.0005455 = 40.367 BTC [-] {3} [09:16]
* sinetek has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36750 @ 0.00055203 = 20.2871 BTC [+] {2} [09:30]
* Xuthus has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39026 @ 0.00055269 = 21.5693 BTC [+] {2} [09:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44091 @ 0.00055517 = 24.478 BTC [+] {3} [09:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80875 @ 0.00055762 = 45.0975 BTC [+] {2} [09:59]
* stefek99 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [10:17]
* coinaday ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [10:18]
* King_Rex (~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444) has joined #bitcoin-assets [10:19]
shinohai Felicidades v_diddy btw, had my head in the clouds the past few hours. [10:19]
shinohai !up coinaday [10:20]
* assbot gives voice to coinaday [10:20]
* CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [10:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55122 @ 0.00055784 = 30.7493 BTC [+] {2} [10:28]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [10:38]
punkman n/t [10:38]
assbot After guilty plea, judge confused as to why prosecutors still want iPhone unlocked | Ars Technica ... ( ) [10:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00055799 = 20.7014 BTC [+] [10:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148750 @ 0.00055832 = 83.0501 BTC [+] {3} [10:44]
* assbot removes voice from coinaday [10:50]
* CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [10:56]
* shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@unaffiliated/shovel-boss/x-4881665) has joined #bitcoin-assets [11:16]
asciilifeform [11:23]
assbot Wikileaks honeypot/SAIC whistlebreaker update ... ( ) [11:23]
asciilifeform 'Wikileaks is not offering a search of Cryptome - the files are hosted on their server as a honeypot for snatching user data for who knows what. There are subtle sneaky differences that give it away...' [11:24]
* shovel_boss has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:24]
asciilifeform << via same [11:25]
assbot Google threatens action against Symantec-issued SSL certificates following botched investigation | PCWorld ... ( ) [11:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10205 @ 0.00055473 = 5.661 BTC [-] [11:29]
* diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) has joined #bitcoin-assets [11:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44970 @ 0.00054479 = 24.4992 BTC [-] {4} [11:39]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [11:44]
* coinaday has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [11:58]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [11:58]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja know that it is impossible to produce a v-genesis for gnupg-1.4.10 ? it contains unprintable turds, yes ! e.g., the idiot 'localizators', po/*.gmo [12:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:10]
asciilifeform and holy fuck, enough utf8 hieroglyphisms to kill five elephants [12:11]
asciilifeform (all over the place) [12:11]
asciilifeform where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ? [12:12]
asciilifeform !up punkman [12:25]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [12:25]
punkman asciilifeform: is that because of the LC_ALL=C in vdiff? [12:25]
asciilifeform no such thing in there [12:27]
asciilifeform but more generally, unix diff is NOT FOR BINARIES [12:27]
asciilifeform ('binary' for n00bz is a file containing so much as one octet with its eighth bit set) [12:28]
asciilifeform funny how we keep having this thread. [12:29]
punkman dunno, I have a lot of code with unicode strings/comments [12:33]
asciilifeform that you wrote ? [12:33]
punkman sure [12:33]
jurov why shouldn't i be able to diff files with extended characters? [12:33]
asciilifeform jurov: there are specially-made tools for this (see the screenshots on mircea_popescu's www in the phuctor 3-parter article re: what i used) [12:34]
phf plan9's diff handles utf-8, the implicit decision here is that we're sticking to us-ascii [12:34]
asciilifeform it is what civilized people use when they program a computer. [12:34]
punkman also, wasn't LC_ALL=C needed for consistent ordering in diffs? I have it in mine [12:34]
asciilifeform punkman: i specifically did not include it in my signed copy of 'vdiff' because it is a workaround for people with broken boxes. [12:35]
jurov i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code [12:35]
asciilifeform layering workarounds into the canon is precisely how we ended up with ball of shit. [12:35]
jurov and my code inevitably contains some localized strings [12:36]
jurov what workarounds? [12:36]
* Xuthus (~x@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [12:36]
asciilifeform see, if symbolics corp. had won the war and the notion of 'character' was not braindamagedly bound to 'octet' - we would not be having this conversation. [12:36]
asciilifeform but it appears that all of the magic in the world did not suffice to retrofit a non-retarded notion of text onto unix [12:37]
jurov so? it is now bound to longint with special encoding [12:37]
jurov you know text was retarded from the very beginning [12:37]
asciilifeform jurov: witness what unix proggies that try to be 'special encoding'-aware look like. [12:38]
asciilifeform they look like garbage. [12:38]
jurov it was defined as "what fits into gets buffer [12:38]
jurov " [12:38]
asciilifeform trailing multimegabyte mystery libs [12:38]
jurov i understand but it does not mean it must be done that way [12:39]
asciilifeform it goes to the heart of how unix works [12:39]
asciilifeform streams operate bytewise [12:39]
asciilifeform with no notion of structure. [12:40]
phf jurov: problem is that there's no such thing as "any text file". a text file necessarily has an encoding, and your options are either standardize on an encoding (the way plan9 did it, with going all utf-8) or else carry massive machinery for supporting a range of encodings from utf-8 to shiftjis [12:40]
asciilifeform it is quite basic to the concept, to the extent there ever was a concept behind it. [12:40]
asciilifeform phf: even utf8 is a non-solution because there remain multiple glyph mappings [12:41]
asciilifeform and the variadic encoding is intrinsically gnarly [12:41]
asciilifeform now, a system with built-in notion of bignums (variable-length integers), e.g., lispm, does not suffer from any of this gnarl. [12:42]
asciilifeform but we haven't such a thing. [12:42]
phf utf-8 is a solution if you're ok iwth variadic encoding (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead), but the main issue is that full support of unicode is impossible withtout massive amounts of machinery. and you're going to butt head against the internal storage format and all the varieities of ucs-*, and ~then~ you're going to run into issues of normalization and multiple mappings and such [12:43]
jurov sigh. code to convert utf8 stream to wide char and back is 50 lines. with diff, one can safely ignore everything else, other encoding, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars, etc. [12:43]
jurov no need to pull huge libs [12:44]
asciilifeform wide chars break unix. [12:44]
asciilifeform sorry. i did not invent unix [12:44]
jurov unix is broken by design [12:44]
asciilifeform no shit. [12:44]
asciilifeform as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box' [12:46]
asciilifeform because it is inevitably a clusterfuck of complexity [12:46]
asciilifeform i favour the old msdos solution instead [12:46]
jurov well, you're bound to see your software broken by people who don't agree with you then [12:46]
phf jurov: i'm actually just trying to bridge your position and ascii's since i'm pretty indifferent personally to outcome of the decision. i used to latex by typing funny us-ascii combinations to produce cyrillic metafont renderings, and i also am intimately familiar with what's involved in support "other encoding, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars", and it's a pita. [12:46]
jurov msdos code pages? srs? [12:46]
asciilifeform say jurov gotta see Žižek printed correctly [12:46]
jurov not just printed. i want to see diff working over it [12:47]
jurov and it is not so complicated as you paint it [12:47]
asciilifeform so he has a different set of glyphs above 0x80 [12:47]
asciilifeform and i have another. [12:47]
asciilifeform jurov: the hard part is not diffing (diff readily diffs binaries) [12:48]
asciilifeform the hard part is printing. [12:48]
asciilifeform and parsing. [12:48]
jurov why? [12:49]
jurov printing is not your problem [12:49]
jurov and in any other cases where you don't have to choose exact glyph printed, you can ignore 99% of unicode spec [12:50]
asciilifeform jurov: go and find the src for gnu diff (it is in the logs) and see how much of the bulk and library load garbage is on account of non-latin. [12:50]
* hazirafel has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [12:50]
jurov because they opted to do other encodings, nat'l sorting, normalized/unnormalized chars, etc. [12:50]
asciilifeform jurov: so whatchawaiting for, write us a sane diff that behaves sanely on a typical unix box ? [12:51]
jurov they can be ignored.. and you supposedly ignore this argument :( [12:51]
jurov oh it won't behave sanely to your standars, anyway [12:51]
asciilifeform why not ? [12:51]
jurov "the variadic encoding is intrinsically gnarly" etc. [12:54]
asciilifeform it is a severe impedance mismatch with the unix philosophy. [12:55]
* assbot removes voice from punkman [12:55]
asciilifeform the merits of which are debatable, but a pure unix is a legitimate animal [12:55]
asciilifeform while a unix with weird shit hanging off the side is not a woman, but a bloke with cock lopped off [12:55]
asciilifeform jurov: do you own a copy of the lions book ? [12:56]
kakobrekla more like a woman with strap on [12:56]
asciilifeform [12:56]
assbot Logged on 22-10-2014 02:38:31; asciilifeform: othernubs`: see ubiquitous 'lions book' that we're imitating: [12:56]
asciilifeform ever wonder what is all of this RUBBISH that is in a typical unix that ISN'T found in the lions book ? [12:57]
jurov you'er basically insisting that anyone who wants to do 8bit stuff in unix should sit themselves on a stake instead, or resort to ms-dos style wankery [12:59]
asciilifeform not 8-bit stuff, jurov. varidic int stuff. [12:59]
asciilifeform *variadic [12:59]
asciilifeform they break streams! srsly [13:00]
asciilifeform even something like character count is now O(N) ! [13:00]
asciilifeform but aside from this, it makes for 10-20x the lines of code for me to read. [13:01]
asciilifeform and 10-20x as many gnarly crevices in which to hide off-by-ones, etc [13:01]
* hazirafel (~hazirafel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:03]
jurov that shitgnomes use variadic encoding as a means to append bloat is not failure of said encoding. they'd find another outlet easily [13:03]
jurov like the msdos cases, 8bit streams were preserver, but the rest was utter mess [13:04]
phf jurov: variadic anywhere in your string handling machinery means that you no longer have a meaningful concept of string, i.e. nth printable character is an nth object in array, instead everything that you manipulate is a stream with a state machine attached. be that utf-8 at the encoding level, or ucs-4 at the storage level which brings in surrogates and supplementary characters [13:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00054807 = 12.2768 BTC [+] [13:08]
jurov phf i proposed just ignore them [13:10]
phf a typical solution is then, like you said, ignore 90% of unicode standard, which means that, instead of having a clean model to work with, you have a c++ solution of "we support this particular subset of c++, because the other parts we think are braindead" [13:10]
jurov nope [13:11]
* hazirafel has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [13:11]
jurov diff would compare just the entities and would expect normalized both inputs the same way [13:11]
jurov the normalization, sorting, etc. would be done by other tool [13:11]
phf oh, see.. [13:12]
jurov so diff would stay simple [13:12]
phf i think the argument against that is that ascii is trying to build a b-a system starting with small tools out. if you're claiming to support unicode in your diff, that necessarily means that "done by other tool" is automatically included in the scope of future b-a work [13:13]
jurov and "concept of string".. something has to give, in this case "string"===="byte array" [13:13]
* Duffer1 has quit (Quit: later) [13:14]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [13:15]
punkman diff works fine with utf-8 documents, doesn't it? [13:16]
* hanbot (~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:16]
* assbot gives voice to hanbot [13:17]
jurov punkman: yes because there's whole unicode machinery implemented which ppl rightfully abhor [13:18]
jurov btw, that "string" = "byte array" thing, specifically people who like to do pointer arithmetic around it caused enough grief i won't miss it at all [13:19]
jurov *every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include it ended up by drawing stuff on paper [13:20]
phf jurov: my personal concern is not "byte array" equivalency, but "object in array" [13:21]
phf a=['e', '´'] vs b=['é']. a[0] != b[0] [13:22]
jurov that's the braindamaged part, which should be dealt separately [13:23]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:23]
jurov and such tgins existed before, consider a=" " vs b=" " [13:24]
jurov *things [13:24]
phf wut [13:24]
jurov you're expected to make it consistent before passing in to diff [13:24]
jurov or use "ignore whitespaces" kludge [13:25]
jurov same with normalization [13:25]
jurov instead of adding kludge to diff, be it extra step [13:25]
phf but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future [13:25]
phf some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere [13:27]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:28]
jurov otherwise you have to keep stuff 8-bit clean throughout, is that better? [13:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00054901 = 11.7488 BTC [+] {2} [13:30]
jurov i mean, remove extended chars from everythign that goes in [13:30]
phf jurov: that's a question to ascii, as far as "better". my point is that "us-ascii" vs "utf-8" in v/vdiff has greater implications [13:30]
jurov ofc it has [13:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112150 @ 0.00054686 = 61.3303 BTC [-] {4} [13:31]
phf i personally prefer the lc_ctype=koi8-r solution, but that's because i'm a retrograde :p [13:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00054932 = 9.6131 BTC [+] {3} [13:34]
jurov around 2000 i had on my system files and filenames in cp852, koi8, iso8859-2 and cp1250 encodings... no thanks [13:34]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [13:35]
jurov also as sysadmin had to configure samba to deal with them..nopenopenope. utf8 was definite improvement. [13:36]
punkman there is no unicode machinery in diff [13:36]
phf jurov: so did i, and i appreciate utf-8 in my music selection or random durp i download from the internet. i wouldn't care if there's some frequent surrogate issue with track file names, but i do care that i can't have a professional tool where that sort of questions have predictable, if not necessarily easy and fun answers [13:37]
asciilifeform punkman: this is disingenously true [13:38]
jurov there is i18n which behaves as described here [13:38]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 16:57:03; ascii_field: srsly, different sort order on different versions of 'diff' ? [13:38]
asciilifeform << a good chunk of the complexity IS THERE BECAUSE characters are EVER variadic [13:38]
assbot diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( ) [13:38]
asciilifeform and yes, jurov found the diff thread [13:38]
asciilifeform where we learned that yes, it is retarded in 1,001 ways [13:39]
asciilifeform all of them traceable to variadic chars [13:39]
punkman does it work with utf-16? [13:40]
* asciilifeform is l0lzing over how we are replacing the asciilifeform vs mircea_popescu debate on udp, with jurov playing the part of asciilifeform and asciilifeform playing the part of mircea_popescu [13:40]
jurov asciilifeform: i see thirs of the code dealing with various "ignore whitespace" kludges [13:41]
jurov *third [13:41]
asciilifeform punkman: it could work if no one were to ever use anything else. but the distinction between 'this is a binary blob and is to be cut into octets' vs 'this is a text blob and is to be cut into words' would remain [13:41]
punkman why does diff need to know about words? [13:41]
asciilifeform by 'words' i meant uint16_t's [13:42]
* PsychoticBoy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:42]
punkman my guess is it doesn't work with utf16 because it can't find linebreaks [13:42]
asciilifeform jurov: a good chunk of that complexity is on account of O(N) operations on strings made necessary by variads [13:42]
* ffmad has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
asciilifeform i suppose this is not a bad time for one of my usual batshit monologues: [13:43]
jurov can you point me to a line number? i fail to see it there [13:43]
* wpalczynski has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
* Rozal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
* rdekley_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
* artifexd has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
asciilifeform why do you think no one has to date succeeded in 'bonfire of the unix' ? [13:43]
asciilifeform as in, cutting all the shitgnomatic crud until we have something like the lions book again ? [13:43]
* btcdrak has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:43]
asciilifeform the reason is that every time the surgeon begins to cut, he sees 'inoperable tumour' [13:43]
asciilifeform every time you stick in the knife, somebody says 'NOOOOOO! this is NECESSARY complexity...!' [13:44]
asciilifeform 'I'M JWZ AND I JUST WANT SHIT TO WURK!' [13:44]
jurov would bitcoin run on the lions book system? [13:45]
asciilifeform depends. [13:45]
* rdekley_ (sid32464@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:45]
* PsychoticBoy (sid27029@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy) has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:45]
asciilifeform therealbitcoin, as we have it, makes minimal use of gnarly unixisms. but its dependencies (incl. gcc and the toolchain) are another matter. [13:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00054867 = 5.0478 BTC [-] [13:46]
* btcdrak (uid115429@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:46]
* artifexd (sid28611@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:46]
* ffmad (sid41362@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:47]
* wpalczynski (sid55851@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:47]
phf could crosscompile the core, but openssl/boost, i don't even imagine the scope of that one [13:47]
phf actually i don't think v6 has threads [13:48]
asciilifeform phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6 [13:49]
* Rozal (sid50160@gateway/web/ has joined #bitcoin-assets [13:50]
* Rozal is now known as Guest71136 [13:50]
* phf puts back his lion's copy [13:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8299 @ 0.0005494 = 4.5595 BTC [+] [13:58]
* King_Rex has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14493 @ 0.0005494 = 7.9625 BTC [+] [14:05]
* zveda (zveda@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-hpsjsxobgqolgzin) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38577 @ 0.00054805 = 21.1421 BTC [-] {5} [14:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8598 @ 0.00054813 = 4.7128 BTC [+] [14:20]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:22]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [14:23]
* zveda (zveda@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-hpsjsxobgqolgzin) has left #bitcoin-assets [14:34]
asciilifeform jurov awake ? [14:59]
jurov yes? [14:59]
asciilifeform could you plz check turdatron ? [14:59]
asciilifeform it ate my shit, for the 1,001th time. [15:00]
asciilifeform this is REALLY getting old. [15:03]
jurov yes, i'm doing it on purpose [15:03]
* asciilifeform not blaming jurov [15:03]
* Xuthus has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [15:07]
mircea_popescu actually as frustrating as it is, iirc there was always a good reason [15:13]
* asciilifeform got tired, and, [15:15]
asciilifeform [15:15]
assbot Loper OS » MPI sans the mud. ... ( ) [15:15]
asciilifeform ^^^ mircea_popescu et al ^^^ [15:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. [15:15]
mircea_popescu ie, yes, i knew. [15:16]
asciilifeform kudos to mircea_popescu for supplying a blessed version of the package. [15:16]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:16]
mircea_popescu what is this, capitalist merit ? [15:16]
asciilifeform and many anti-kudos to the authors of the package for making me do what i had to do. [15:16]
asciilifeform errata. item 4 should say '(1), (2), and (3)' instead of '(1) and (2)'. [15:19]
mircea_popescu lol funny how this happens. [15:19]
* Xuthus (~x@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:19]
mircea_popescu jurov haven't, no. [15:20]
jurov asciilifeform ok, nm, on it [15:21]
asciilifeform jurov: no worries, already posted. [15:22]
asciilifeform to my www. [15:22]
asciilifeform << reload page for errata section. [15:23]
assbot Loper OS » MPI sans the mud. ... ( ) [15:23]
mircea_popescu << if the "there are subtle" were actually a specific list, i would be much more convinced. [15:23]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 14:21:34; asciilifeform: 'Wikileaks is not offering a search of Cryptome - the files are hosted on their server as a honeypot for snatching user data for who knows what. There are subtle sneaky differences that give it away...' [15:23]
mircea_popescu as it is - cryptome is the whistlebreaking device. [15:23]
asciilifeform could easily both serve hitler. [15:24]
mircea_popescu and that what they attempt to do with the recently stolen item is to try and muddy up wikileaks is, at least to my eyes informative. [15:24]
mircea_popescu a) they know the secret is out, so this candle is burning - gotta use it NOW for maximum impact [15:24]
mircea_popescu b) they still hate assange. [15:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there is a huge wall of fire between easily and probably. [15:24]
mircea_popescu an ufo chock full of partying alien sluts on alien spring break could ~easily~ land in brooklyn too [15:25]
* asciilifeform expected mircea_popescu to make this observation. [15:25]
mircea_popescu good for you, shows your ties to sanity are strong :D [15:25]
* coinaday ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:25]
asciilifeform except that i'm not convinced that cryptome was ever a human thing [15:26]
asciilifeform and didn't always serve hitler. [15:26]
mircea_popescu i never really followed it. [15:27]
mircea_popescu i suppose the people who inform me also didn't think much of it. [15:27]
mircea_popescu << the point is not that they exist. the point is that nsa decided cca 1990 that IN THE FUTURE tm/r it WANTS them to exist. [15:28]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 15:09:58; asciilifeform: where do i meet all of these mythical people who own a computer, use gpg, but do not know enough english to operate it without this garbage ? [15:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40250 @ 0.00055338 = 22.2735 BTC [+] {5} [15:28]
mircea_popescu wouldn't it be great if you couldn't read azn code because "if" was written in coolie ? [15:28]
mircea_popescu back then they still hoped china might be just a sort of magical closet. [15:28]
mircea_popescu and it was important to separate the cowstumers from the coolies. [15:28]
asciilifeform actually it mostly ~is~ a closet. 99.999% of the cn code publicly known on the net (in any attributable way) is wincrud. [15:29]
asciilifeform the kind entirely unusable anywhere sane at all. [15:30]
mircea_popescu << unicode is not text. [15:30]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 15:32:52; jurov: i want diff to be usable for any text files, not just code [15:30]
mod6 asciilifeform thx for posting the MPI stuff. [15:30]
mircea_popescu text means a very specific thing. latin alphabet. nothing else. if you'd rather work with 文本, work with 文本. [15:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. [15:31]
* SuchWow (~SuchWow@unaffiliated/suchwow) has joined #bitcoin-assets [15:31]
asciilifeform << replaying. [15:34]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 16:37:36; *: asciilifeform is l0lzing over how we are replacing the asciilifeform vs mircea_popescu debate on udp, with jurov playing the part of asciilifeform and asciilifeform playing the part of mircea_popescu [15:34]
asciilifeform argh. [15:34]
mircea_popescu lol [15:35]
* asciilifeform is a 2-pass compiler apparently [15:35]
mircea_popescu explain this to me. what the fuck is a "sane notion of text" ? [15:35]
mircea_popescu just because you can elegantly package idiocy in sexpr does not alter what text is [15:36]
mircea_popescu and just because you can't see where this problem breaks shit down from where you sit doesn't mean it's not gonna. it will. [15:36]
asciilifeform one that fits will into the architecture of the machine. [15:36]
jurov meh. i'll believe you both when you in the names of simplicity, shot "ignore whitespaces" too. [15:36]
asciilifeform and yes, this is bidirectional. [15:36]
mircea_popescu this is entirely beyond the fucking point. [15:36]
mircea_popescu a badly defined notion CAN NEVER fit well into a machine [15:36]
mircea_popescu no matter how elegant the pretense can be made to appear. [15:36]
mircea_popescu jurov da fuck is "ignore whitespaces" ? [15:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'text' is merely a subprogram for a program that displays glyphs. any other definition is braindamaged and will have to be paid for, again and again, until replaced with a sane one. [15:37]
mircea_popescu no. [15:38]
mircea_popescu and i will ritously say this is americanism at its finest. "oh, i like this girl, what need of her fambly ? we'll just live together under a blanked of sky, alone, like those two kids in the chinese myth!". [15:38]
mircea_popescu "oh, hurr, i kinda like the bible and my name is john smith". [15:38]
mircea_popescu this is not how things fgucking work. text means latin. [15:39]
asciilifeform should we also abolish case? [15:39]
asciilifeform punctuation ? [15:39]
mircea_popescu no, you shgouldn't have abolished case. [15:39]
asciilifeform (rome lacked either) [15:39]
jurov mircea_popescu: "ignore whitespaces" is half of the source alf posted me as example [15:40]
mircea_popescu just because bunches of barbarians "do without" the ablative doesn't mean they can fucking think in their pigdin [15:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i beg your pardon ?! [15:40]
asciilifeform nono, upper/lower case [15:40]
mircea_popescu you mean in iconography ? [15:40]
asciilifeform aha [15:40]
asciilifeform glyphs [15:40]
mircea_popescu i count myself fortunate you don't know about j/g [15:41]
* asciilifeform knows about j and v/u [15:41]
mircea_popescu what shall we do ;/ [15:41]
asciilifeform l0l [15:41]
asciilifeform anyway the reason to have a sane notion of text and glyphs is not so that coolies can write hieroglyphs but so that one can speak of mathematics. [15:42]
asciilifeform (if no other reason is needed.) [15:42]
* mircea_popescu fumes [15:42]
asciilifeform but on unix we can't really have this conversation at all. [15:42]
asciilifeform we are in afghan, making kalash from umbrella. [15:43]
mircea_popescu you god damned mathematician folk and your insane demands of language. [15:43]
mircea_popescu damn you all to hell and eternal torment! [15:43]
* asciilifeform already there [15:43]
* asciilifeform spins on stake [15:43]
mircea_popescu should have taken a god fearting major like the letters. [15:43]
asciilifeform eh i'd be spewing greek then [15:44]
asciilifeform same problem. [15:44]
mircea_popescu im going to have breakfast before i pop a vein [15:44]
* asciilifeform wanders off in the direction of pet [15:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00055465 = 16.584 BTC [+] [15:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87250 @ 0.00055563 = 48.4787 BTC [+] {3} [15:52]
v_diddy << very educational to watch drmeister and co hammer on clasp [15:54]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 11:45:24; jurov: mircea_popescu: in your quest for other non-derpy irc chans, have you tried #lisp? [15:54]
mircea_popescu maybe when i retire i'll learn to lisp. [16:03]
* coinaday has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:04]
jurov v_diddy: my late congrats! [16:05]
mircea_popescu he said late ha ha *snort* [16:05]
v_diddy aahuehuaehuaehuahahaehua [16:16]
v_diddy thanks jurov [16:16]
* diana_coman has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.0005486 = 11.2189 BTC [-] {3} [16:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55550 @ 0.00055573 = 30.8708 BTC [+] [16:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00055572 = 5.5294 BTC [-] {2} [16:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13576 @ 0.00055606 = 7.5491 BTC [+] {2} [16:41]
deedbot- [Trilema] The quest ; and its resolution - [16:44]
* diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) has joined #bitcoin-assets [16:44]
* archStanton ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [16:56]
* sinetek (~quassel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00055642 = 8.0403 BTC [+] [17:02]
* Xuthus has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:20]
mircea_popescu (though i've read many convincing arguments that utf-8 is new jersey brain dead) << al lyou need to know is that it's what seems to have been left standing once the pain of "gotta support bullshit" washed off. [17:23]
mircea_popescu << hey, i nullrouted orc glyphs in romanian text! not even computing, literature. [17:24]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:21; asciilifeform: as a native of what latinate folks regard as likewise a 'hieroglyphs' language, i STILL favour the abolition of 'hieroglyphs display on EVERY box' [17:24]
mircea_popescu << once they broke it it's no longer mine, it's theirs. [17:24]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 15:43:52; jurov: well, you're bound to see your software broken by people who don't agree with you then [17:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63350 @ 0.00055684 = 35.2758 BTC [+] {4} [17:27]
* Xuthus (~x@unaffiliated/xuthus) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:30]
* punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:39]
* Chameleous (~Muymal@2601:449:8400:4570:84a2:2eda:5343:dcde) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:40]
* Xuthus has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [17:42]
* punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets [17:46]
* DreadKnight (~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:10]
mircea_popescu but in other news, [18:28]
assbot ... ( ) [18:28]
mircea_popescu << you are not the only one. [18:33]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 16:17:23; jurov: *every* time i did anything nontrivial with #include it ended up by drawing stuff on paper [18:33]
* mircea_popescu has said "AT THE VERY FUCKING LEAST!!!1 separate this mess into string.h and non-string.h god damned it!!1" [18:33]
mircea_popescu "localization" makes even office fucking management a nightmare. [18:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00055117 = 15.4603 BTC [-] [18:37]
mircea_popescu << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot. [18:37]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 16:35:52; asciilifeform: << a good chunk of the complexity IS THERE BECAUSE characters are EVER variadic [18:37]
shinohai ;;later tell mod6 Success I guess? [18:45]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:45]
assbot dpaste: 3WH9Q58 ... ( ) [18:45]
mircea_popescu <<->> [18:46]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 16:46:49; asciilifeform: phf: in case this wasn't obvious, i was not speaking of a ~literal~ return to v6 [18:46]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 16:41:36; asciilifeform: every time you stick in the knife, somebody says 'NOOOOOO! this is NECESSARY complexity...!' [18:46]
mircea_popescu i has lulzed enough to last me the month. [18:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38957 @ 0.00055172 = 21.4934 BTC [+] {2} [18:46]
* DreadKnight has quit (Quit: #AncientBeast - Master Your Beasts ( )) [18:47]
mircea_popescu re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project. [18:48]
mircea_popescu it mighgt even tie in with the phuctor. [18:48]
* King_Rex (~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444) has joined #bitcoin-assets [18:50]
mod6 shinohai: yeah, looks like it worked. thanks! [18:51]
shinohai next stop Ubuntu [18:57]
mod6 thx1 [19:00]
shinohai np, glad to be back on track [19:01]
* sinetek has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:06]
* sinetek (~quassel@ has joined #bitcoin-assets [19:10]
jurov asciilifeform: sadly i don't have your message because it started eating the bounces for yet unknown reason [19:14]
mircea_popescu you clearly don't feed that thing enough. [19:14]
jurov spam isn't as nutritional as i thought, seems [19:15]
jurov you're welcome to resend it to or otherwise publish [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55050 @ 0.00055228 = 30.403 BTC [+] {3} [19:21]
mircea_popescu "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in the original paper and immediately [19:32]
mircea_popescu see it? Because: 2. It will turn out to be actually insane, and the only part of the reference that will support the statement will be the title." [19:32]
mircea_popescu hence [19:32]
assbot How to deal with pseudoscience ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:32]
mircea_popescu aka "any claim as to science or studies done made in english, or by a libtard, or in support of notions not found in the literature of 1800 is to be dismissed out of hand." [19:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.00055417 = 4.3996 BTC [+] [19:56]
* gernika has quit (Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1) [19:59]
* gernika (~gernika@unaffiliated/gernika) has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:04]
* CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [20:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24795 @ 0.00055843 = 13.8463 BTC [+] [20:07]
* ascii_field ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [20:11]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [20:13]
* assbot gives voice to ascii_field [20:13]
ascii_field << as symbolics lispm console was !! [20:14]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 21:34:31; mircea_popescu: << the more i think abvout it the more i understand the "display has its own computer" cut of this gordian knot. [20:14]
deedbot- [Qntra] US DoD Extracts Guilty Pleas From Mom and Pop Competitors - [20:14]
ascii_field it by itself was a pretty fast 16bit comp with multiple cpu ! [20:14]
ascii_field see also [20:15]
assbot Logged on 21-10-2015 00:56:46; asciilifeform: connects to the box itself with a thick triax cable [20:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00055746 = 19.7898 BTC [-] {3} [20:15]
ascii_field << what if i admitted to having extracted it... [20:17]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: re asciilifeform mpi : the actual extraction, and especially auditing of the rng is a very worthy project. [20:17]
ascii_field (deliberately not released with the mpi, because imho they are separate concerns) [20:18]
ascii_field there are 3 separate rng subsystems in gpg 1.4 - but more on this later) [20:20]
ascii_field << yknow, if you want at&t sysv for pc, you can have! some nut ported... [20:21]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 21:43:27; mircea_popescu: i has lulzed enough to last me the month. [20:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18485 @ 0.0005587 = 10.3276 BTC [+] {2} [20:21]
ascii_field << death to copyrasty [20:25]
assbot Logged on 31-10-2015 22:29:23; mircea_popescu: "Whenever I see a reference to a statement that seems insane to me, two things will be true: 1. It will take me as long to get the study as it did to conduct the study, i.e. 45 minutes. No hyperlink. No free access. Then I have to go into the university's PubMed, which takes me through three windows to Science Direct or some other outlet. Why, oh why, can't I just click "(15)" in [20:25]
ascii_field but i thought mircea_popescu ~liked~ paywalls...? [20:26]
ascii_field or only likes his? [20:26]
* ascii_field has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:26]
BingoBoingo !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.peterl.1:0a8a8858ddc91f3e623eaa68eb5a4aa37e77c9a8840c191ff70fb388b75c88e1 [20:32]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for peterl with note: writes stuff on occasion. [20:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they are separate concerns. [20:47]
mircea_popescu also one of those things hwere more work (esp by students) is never wasted [20:47]
mircea_popescu such as computing pi or measuring h [20:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i also like cocks (mine) and women (my own) and so on. [20:48]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "granted immunity to former detective Austin, Texas police detective Charles Kleinert " [20:52]
BingoBoingo fck, fxd [20:53]
BingoBoingo Dependopotami are real [20:54]
BingoBoingo [20:54]
assbot MFW my husband asks me if I'll work out while he's deployed. : TrollXChromosomes ... ( ) [20:54]
mircea_popescu multicultural studies : : "Naomi Klein (nacida en Montreal, Canadá, el 8 de mayo de 1970) es una periodista e investigadora canadiense de gran influencia en el movimiento antiglobalización y el socialismo democrático" ; poppedia.en : "Naomi Klein (born May 8, 1970) is a Canadian author, social activist, and filmmaker known for her political analyses and criticism of corporate globalization and of corpora [21:00]
mircea_popescu te capitalism." [21:00]
mircea_popescu why are the spanishtards so unsophisticated ? [21:00]
* ascii_field ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:01]
mircea_popescu and it goes into weird from there, "tercera via" is a thing for the spanishtards [21:01]
mircea_popescu (amusingly, they omit versioning for good reason. ceausescu's aparatchicks also had a "third way", like did the russians, like the peronisto-kirscherists, cuba is in its very own tercera via like is korea like is venezuela like that native midget what's his name sinking peru etc. [21:02]
mircea_popescu i guess easier to count all insanity as third rather than actually increment the accumulator and handle overflows. [21:03]
mircea_popescu <<< best ever analysis of "ows" derpage. so good i don't even want to write one myself. [21:06]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% ... ( ) [21:06]
mircea_popescu ""Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and..." [21:07]
* ascii_field has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:10]
hanbot [21:16]
assbot The ‘driest place on Earth’ is covered in pink flowers after a crazy year of rain - The Washington Post ... ( ) [21:16]
mircea_popescu that's pretty cool [21:17]
hanbot lotus harlots, perhaps [21:18]
jurov asciilifeform: found your email after all. [21:18]
assbot [BTC-dev] MPI Genesis. (Possibly Off-Topic!) ... ( ) [21:18]
jurov gmail in its infinite wisdom decided to label README as application/octet-stream [21:19]
jurov and thus mailman did not look for signatures there [21:20]
mircea_popescu kludge upon kludge [21:22]
deedbot- [Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2015 Report - [21:26]
BingoBoingo ^ [21:27]
* coinaday ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [21:28]
BingoBoingo !up coinaday [21:28]
* assbot gives voice to coinaday [21:28]
shinohai mod6: V isn't finding my .wot directory in arm :/ [21:31]
shinohai nm found where it barfed. [21:33]
mod6 it's all good now? [21:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5284 @ 0.00055459 = 2.9305 BTC [-] [21:38]
shinohai yeah building just as good, albeit slower being what it is. [21:39]
* Chameleous has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:43]
mod6 hmm ok. thanks for testing [21:48]
deedbot- [Trilema] Why is it the end ? - [21:50]
* coinaday has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [21:58]
* Chameleous ( has joined #bitcoin-assets [22:12]
jurov [22:18]
assbot The Autopilot is learning fast: Model S owners are already reporting that Tesla’s Autopilot is self-improving | Electrek ... ( ) [22:18]
jurov A Model S owner .... kept a count of how many times he had to “rescue” (meaning taking control after an alert) [22:20]
jurov god save us [22:20]
* mircea_popescu enjoys human drivers. [22:21]
jurov i can imagine letting the car drive itself with the "rescues" can be exhilarating, but... brrrrr [22:26]
jurov is any other heavy machinery driven that way? [22:27]
phf asciilifeform: there's some leftover i18n in mpi [22:28]
assbot ... ( ) [22:28]
shinohai There was that self-driving semi in cnn money a few minths ago [22:28]
shinohai *months [22:28]
phf and for the bored crowd in the audience, some code to add two bignums using ascii's mpi extraction, [22:29]
assbot ... ( ) [22:29]
jurov !s MMM [22:32]
assbot 214 results for 'MMM' : [22:32]
jurov [22:32]
assbot The same day MMM (global ponzi scheme using bitcoin) announces it is pausing operations, the bitcoin price drops $20 in a minute. This is totally coincidental and the recent $100 spike was caused purely by fundamentals and adoption : Buttcoin ... ( ) [22:33]
jurov ^ MMM going to china [22:33]
jurov [22:34]
jurov if Party wont stop it early that would be gigaclusterfuck :) [22:35]
* sinetek has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [22:37]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [22:44]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 313.7, vol: 26698.93606532 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 304.975, vol: 8008.84387 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 317.16, vol: 40422.71983153 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 340.0, vol: 1.22457919 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 342.689423, vol: 55495.78770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 315.1685, vol: 46.80657312 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 302.63741, vol: 119.31408839 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [22:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00055475 = 1.3591 BTC [+] [22:48]
* King_Rex has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:57]
* archStanton has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00055871 = 9.7774 BTC [+] [23:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15608 @ 0.00055871 = 8.7203 BTC [+] [23:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00055475 = 6.657 BTC [-] [23:39]
Category: Logs
Comments feed : RSS 2.0. Leave your own comment below, or send a trackback.
Add your cents! »
    If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed.