Forum logs for 29 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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thestringpuller will bitvps ever be relisted? [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80700 @ 0.00079437 = 64.1057 BTC [-] {2} [00:11]
thestringpuller ;;calc (0.00078918 - 0.00079437) [00:12]
gribble -5.19e-06 [00:12]
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thestringpuller ;;calc (0.00079437 - 0.00078918) [00:12]
gribble 5.19e-06 [00:12]
thestringpuller ;;calc (0.00079437 - 0.00078918) / 0.00079437 [00:12]
gribble 0.006533479361 [00:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00079461 = 11.3629 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.12100001 BTC [-] [00:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00079461 = 4.4498 BTC [+] [00:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9176 @ 0.00079269 = 7.2737 BTC [-] [00:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3130 @ 0.00010001 = 0.313 BTC [-] {2} [01:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5209 @ 0.00010001 = 0.521 BTC [-] {2} [01:12]
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thestringpuller ;;goxlag [01:26]
gribble MtGox lag is 4.040613 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00809734321104 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Saturn to its largest moon, Titan (0.00802 AU). [01:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31908 @ 0.00079052 = 25.2239 BTC [-] {2} [01:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9185 @ 0.00078908 = 7.2477 BTC [-] {2} [01:34]
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unbalanced http://bitbet.us/bet/627/1btc-1-oz-gold-before-christmas-2013/ seems to be a duplicate of http://bitbet.us/bet/598/1-btc-will-surpass-price-of-1-troy/ other than the timeframe [01:38]
ozbot BitBet - 1BTC >= 1 oz gold before Christmas 2013 [01:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 34485 @ 0.0001 = 3.4485 BTC [-] {4} [01:39]
dub !ticker mpex s.mpoe [01:39]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078616 / 0.00080075 / 0.0008476 (231533 shares, 185.40 BTC), 7D: 0.0007725 / 0.00079089 / 0.0008476 (891194 shares, 704.84 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082246 / 0.00088996 (5452525 shares, 4,484.53 BTC) [01:39]
unbalanced How much of that are you willing to allow? I could see a line monthly bets on BTC at 1000, 1100, etc all year long as almost an alternative to options. [01:40]
dub tanking [01:40]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [01:42]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1155.5321, Best ask: 1164.57941, Bid-ask spread: 9.04731, Last trade: 1155.5321, 24 hour volume: 32093.19373638, 24 hour low: 1032.15, 24 hour high: 1224.59998, 24 hour vwap: 1143.64194 [01:42]
thestringpuller unbalanced: how would that be an alternative to options? wouldn't that be more of a futures contract? [01:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18546 @ 0.0001 = 1.8546 BTC [-] {2} [01:42]
unbalanced Right, futures [01:43]
unbalanced But futures the average new holder of BTC can grok. [01:43]
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unbalanced Blurry lines between investing/speculation/gambling... no lines, really [01:44]
unbalanced If we assume that mpex BTC options are the only ones that count, a series of bitbets would let people speculate on something further out. [01:46]
unbalanced But you're right, they wouldn't have a defined payoff. [01:46]
unbalanced Because scalpers. [01:47]
unbalanced It could cover more outcomes though, not just the price of BTC at date X but any propositions bitbet users come up with. [01:49]
unbalanced Samuel L Jackson remains the highest-grossing movie star of all time to Apr, May, Jun... [01:49]
unbalanced They could throw up a matrix of 100 propositions by 12 deadlines. But I guess that becomes proposition spam with no one anchoring each one. [01:51]
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taub Lucky Strike Red (10 packs x 20 cigarettes) 1 0.19264 BTC 0.19264 BTC [02:04]
taub oh man [02:04]
taub they cawst me 200 eur instead of 20 [02:04]
taub deflation man [02:04]
unbalanced A month ago? [02:05]
taub yea [02:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00177999 = 0.2848 BTC [-] [02:06]
unbalanced I think I've figured something out (or maybe read it here and boom, Inception) [02:06]
unbalanced The only valid thing to spend a deflationary currency on is something that will make you more money than holding it. [02:07]
thestringpuller unbalanced: that's not true [02:07]
thestringpuller you can spend profits over time as long as you mitigate the cash flow correctly [02:07]
thestringpuller for instance miners [02:07]
taub deflation is fine, but obviously rapid one like this isn't really classic deflation [02:08]
taub just growing pains [02:08]
unbalanced If it's the miner's only income they have to convert some to local currency to buy groceries and pay rent, electricity, sure. [02:09]
unbalanced (which allows them to continue earning a living) [02:09]
unbalanced But can we ever recommend that John Q Noob buy bitcoins to load on their phone to buy their daily coffee or smokes? [02:10]
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thestringpuller unbalanced: no you can't, because that's not a good utility for it, and never was [02:11]
unbalanced Right, I'm with you there. [02:12]
unbalanced MSM misconstrues that all the time. [02:12]
unbalanced I really want to help popularize Bitcoin here in Canada, but without encouraging everyone to get them because they're just awesome. [02:13]
unbalanced Find the utility, use them as a tool. [02:13]
unbalanced Not to buy a cup of coffee, although if I'm a coffee roaster, I may want to *accept* Bitcoin. [02:14]
thestringpuller it's good for moving money around though [02:14]
unbalanced Collect it so I can send it to Ethiopia or Indonesia for more coffee. [02:14]
thestringpuller the idea use case would be: Person earns btc by doing some work [02:14]
unbalanced The good stuff, in big bags, without fees and middlemen. [02:14]
thestringpuller person spends some of those btc to you for a cup of coffee [02:14]
thestringpuller ideal* [02:15]
unbalanced Right [02:15]
thestringpuller there is no point in buying btc anymore [02:16]
thestringpuller well there is as a store of value.... [02:16]
unbalanced Speculation sure [02:16]
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unbalanced Speaking of which [02:17]
unbalanced I put up some propositions on bitbet... [02:17]
unbalanced http://bitbet.us/propositions/ [02:17]
unbalanced BTCChina 30d BTC volume to exceed next 10 largest exchanges combined [02:17]
thestringpuller i would say the ideal situation for joe schmoe buying btc [02:17]
unbalanced Before April 1st 2014, Bitcoin will hit $2000 USD without dipping below $500 [02:17]
thestringpuller would be to buy BTC and invest it in a good vehicle like MPBOR bonds on a good month [02:18]
thestringpuller or MPOE long term [02:18]
unbalanced How do they know "a good month" in advance? [02:18]
thestringpuller you don't it's hit or miss [02:19]
thestringpuller jurov has a sheet [02:19]
thestringpuller https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlhB0UHVxS67dGpBc2Rub3FtLTdHZ3ZPb09DY2pHWlE&usp=sharing#gid=0 [02:19]
thestringpuller of previous months [02:19]
thestringpuller the more volatile the currency is the more likely there is to be a loss on MPBOR [02:19]
unbalanced Let alone how to buy on mpex. My Coinbr affiliate link: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=F5AaxgxFkQ [02:19]
thestringpuller lol [02:19]
unbalanced Nice, clicking [02:19]
thestringpuller if you're going to hold BTC and want to spend them, you need to have an income stream going into the btc economy [02:20]
thestringpuller or an income stream generated by the economy, however there isn't much worth investing in, I feel Havelock will go the way of BTCTCO soon [02:21]
unbalanced Exactly. Mining, or a useful web service, or BTC-denominated investments. [02:21]
unbalanced I have confidence in HI... just not in many of their listings. [02:21]
unbalanced I finally have some ideas for "services useful to people with Bitcoin in hand" so I'm working on those now. [02:22]
unbalanced Huh. The MPOE bonds on that spreadsheet have too much of a history of Taleb-flagged "blow ups" for my taste. [02:24]
unbalanced Well, they didn't go to 0 I guess. [02:24]
thestringpuller yea, it's gonna take time unfortunately but it keeps use from experiencing what happened in 2011 [02:24]
thestringpuller us* [02:24]
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unbalanced To which disaster do you refer? I can't remember that far back although I'm sure I read about it. [02:28]
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unbalanced Have to bolt, will read the log later on. [02:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18959 @ 0.00079422 = 15.0576 BTC [+] {3} [02:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 139 @ 0.00303288 = 0.4216 BTC [+] {5} [02:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6472 @ 0.000798 = 5.1647 BTC [+] {2} [02:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.03199999 = 0.352 BTC [+] [02:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.311611 = 0.9348 BTC [-] {3} [02:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3116 = 0.9348 BTC [-] [02:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00286776 = 0.152 BTC [-] {9} [02:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1958 @ 0.00139643 = 2.7342 BTC [-] {16} [02:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1241 @ 0.001346 = 1.6704 BTC [-] {2} [02:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00177979 = 0.6995 BTC [+] {2} [03:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05088461 = 0.6615 BTC [-] {4} [03:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00032 = 0.64 BTC [-] {3} [03:08]
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firstblockchain unbalanced - hello from Bali. Saw your query about my bitcoin / coffee - article on my project was written here: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-can-free-coffee-from-the-middlemen/ [03:56]
thestringpuller using bitcoin for coffee procurement? [03:58]
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firstblockchain other way around [03:58]
nubbins` using coffee for bitcoin procurement [03:59]
nubbins` unbalanced: all this does is create a situation where people are reluctant to spend more than they have to [03:59]
nubbins` that's just being fiscally prudent :P [03:59]
nubbins` do i need to buy this coffee or should i save, all the while your electricity bill denominated in btc decreases each month [04:00]
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firstblockchain next house - complete off-grid solar electric system purchased with BTC. - and a composting toilet too ;) [04:02]
nubbins` now you're talking [04:03]
unbalanced Thanks firstblockchain, will read up. [04:05]
firstblockchain cheers unbalanced [04:05]
unbalanced Was just watching The Amazing Race, they're in Bandung this episode [04:06]
firstblockchain Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though... [04:07]
firstblockchain just had some Arabica from Bandung. Some good stuff coming out of west Java now. It supposedly includes some of the old dutch strains that were originally planted way back when on the East Java plantations - the original "Java" coffee of Mocha Java fame. [04:09]
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unbalanced Okay now I want to try Indonesian coffee. Will grab some at my usual stop for a change of pace. [04:10]
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unbalanced nubbins, good point about Bitcoin making people properly frugal [04:10]
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unbalanced Meanwhile the channel seems suspisciously quiet as if all the European reps are off for the day, on planes heading to pick up Black Friday deals in the US. [04:11]
unbalanced Or maybe it's just late. [04:12]
nubbins` it can be two things [04:12]
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nubbins` but i mean, i don't regret buying things with bitcoin just because the value has gone up [04:12]
nubbins` on the contrary [04:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3294949 = 0.659 BTC [+] {2} [04:14]
nubbins` by the time the majority of transactions take place with btc, the amounts changing hands will be miniscule [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00079665 = 7.8868 BTC [-] {2} [04:14]
nubbins` you just gotta grease the wheel to keep it moving until it can turn on its own [04:14]
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unbalanced firstblockchain, that article is way better than what I was going to write. I was going to write about the theory, you're doing it. Well played. [04:16]
firstblockchain unbalanced - been a wild two months since I started it. I figured, let's just do it and see what happens. Mostly getting to meet people involved with BTC and learning about all the possibilities - and different angles [04:18]
firstblockchain Quite the extreme - say, all the Chinese fiat investors, startups concered only with Gov't regulations, etc.. I met at Bitcoin 2013 in Singapore a few weeks ago - and say, what's been going on HERE for apparently much,much longer [04:19]
unbalanced Just ordered me 200g of your Bali Kintamani Arabica Coffee [04:24]
unbalanced Take that, Silk Road! Legit international trade in addictive substances. [04:25]
unbalanced Oh, Bitpay is good: "this invoice has been overpaid" [04:26]
unbalanced I'm still not used to $1000 BTC. [04:26]
unbalanced Just send me 10, I'll spread them around. [04:27]
thestringpuller boom boom boom [04:36]
thestringpuller i want to buy the best coffee on the planet how much? [04:36]
thestringpuller like coffee that requires 0 cream [04:36]
firstblockchain unbalanced - lol - just got a notice from bitpay about the overpayment. They won't let me accept it without opening a support ticket first. It says you can also request a refund. [04:36]
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firstblockchain thestringpuller - if it needs cream or sugar, it ain't coffee [04:36]
firstblockchain unbalanced - your choice - happy to ship 10. I'll box them up and send them express EMS in that case. Appreciate the support either way! [04:38]
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unbalanced I'll take 10. Do I need to sign off on the ticket? [04:41]
unbalanced Christmas gifts for the team [04:41]
firstblockchain Unbalanced Nice - thanks. I'll send in the requested support ticket. I assume they'll touch base with you to confirm that's what you wanted. [04:43]
unbalanced Sure thing [04:44]
firstblockchain Meanwhile - I'll fire up the roaster. Just got the latest green beans from the Bali Kintamani farms up the mountain here at the pad - roasted and cupped samples yesterday. I think you'll like these. [04:44]
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unbalanced Nice, thanks man! [04:45]
unbalanced I envy your Tim Ferris lifestyle but now I don't have to envy your coffee. [04:45]
unbalanced nubbins, PM me your shop address and I'll send some your way, if you aren't washed away in the footage I saw on the Weather Network today [04:48]
unbalanced If not, I understand... but you post pics of yourself and your gold coins dude... [04:49]
unbalanced You might as well try Indonesian coffee from strangers. Live a little before someone shows up and stabs you for your coins. [04:49]
firstblockchain unbalaned - thanks again. Just contacted support - I'll keep an eye out for confirmation. Let me know if any issue arises on your end. Cheers! [04:50]
unbalanced Thanks [04:50]
unbalanced nubbins, I'm just projecting my paranoia about even coming out and disclosing that I use bitcoin. [04:52]
unbalanced I'm more used to lurking and reading but I think the senate hearings and Chinese adoption have gone to my head this week. [04:52]
unbalanced Exciting times. Anyway, I'll shaddup, catch you all later! [04:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00079824 = 34.005 BTC [+] {4} [05:21]
dub laotian coffee is supposed to be the best [05:21]
dub but thats probably just circlejerkary [05:21]
dub firstblockchain: what do you know about rabies [05:22]
firstblockchain dub - if the dog's head is facing you, but his eyes are blank and the tail ain't moving, back the funk up [05:23]
dub got bitten by a monkey in that fucking monkey forest tourist scam [05:23]
firstblockchain I live close by. Seen plenty of people bit by those little shits. [05:24]
dub locals say they are clean but im sceptical and rabies is fucking scary shit [05:25]
firstblockchain The monkeys know you if you walk through all the time - don't harass you. [05:25]
dub docters back home had to call the CDC equiv, test was basically, 'is the patient trying to eat you? yes/no' [05:26]
firstblockchain Nah, tons of dogs with it here. They have to cull all the time because of all the rabid strays. [05:26]
firstblockchain Locals think the dogs are their reincarnated relatives, so they it is difficult to take care of all the strays. [05:26]
dub some odd customs over there for sure, saw a couple fo funerals type parties up close [05:28]
firstblockchain wild, right? last one in our village was a creamation for over 100 bodies. They have to save up for the cremeations, so the bodies rest in shallow graves for up to four years until the big "group creamation" is ready to go. Then they parade the corpses through town to the funeral pyre. [05:30]
firstblockchain cremation rather [05:31]
firstblockchain they are wrapped in cloth, and there's a ton of incense burning, but still on a 90+ degree day, it is one stinky parade [05:31]
firstblockchain still, not as bad as Sulawesi, Indonesia. There, the person isn't considered "dead" until the cremation has happened. So, until they can save enough money for a proper cremation ceremony, the corpse stays in the house with the family. They dress it every day and sit it in a chair in the family room. And put it back in bed at night. [05:33]
dub yah a buddy filmed on of those in ubud [05:33]
dub the cremation parade that is [05:34]
firstblockchain strong incense is an in-demand product throughout Indonesia [05:34]
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KRS1 BBQ Coin crashing in Somalia! [09:19]
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pankkake ;;bc,xau [10:12]
gribble 1 XAU = 1250.900000000000 USD = 1.11389136242 BTC [10:12]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3405 BTC [-] [10:15]
BingoBoingo truffles: It's how IRC usually gets used. You mostly afk, then scroll up to see what happened in the conversation. [10:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00079852 = 1.8765 BTC [+] [10:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3288 = 0.6576 BTC [-] [11:07]
ColdHardMetal maybe. that was all quite awhile ago at this point. [11:15]
ColdHardMetal misfire, sorry. [11:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00032 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3} [11:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.07119523 = 1.4951 BTC [+] {3} [11:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.07316667 = 1.756 BTC [+] {3} [11:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8459 @ 0.00079852 = 6.7547 BTC [+] [11:54]
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mircea_popescu cremation parties ?! [12:29]
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mircea_popescu http://www.recovery.gov/pages/textview.aspx?data=recipientHomeMap [12:33]
ozbot State/Territory Totals, as Reported by Recipients [12:33]
mircea_popescu this kicks ass. funds awarded, 3bn. funds disbursed, 3bn. jobs created ? 600 [12:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9318 @ 0.00079312 = 7.3903 BTC [-] {3} [12:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3288 BTC [-] [12:43]
firstblockchain Click "report fraud, waste and abuse" button, submit "whitehouse.gov" [12:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [+] [12:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34 = 1.02 BTC [+] [12:53]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [18:29]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [18:29]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:55 2013 [18:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4618 @ 0.00079942 = 3.6917 BTC [+] [18:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00079902 = 3.276 BTC [-] [18:32]
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mircea_popescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Operating_System_Solutions [18:34]
ozbot Bharat Operating System Solutions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [18:34]
mircea_popescu today i learned. [18:34]
nubbins` "The latest desktop version of BOSS GNU/Linux is fully localised to eighteen Indian languages." [18:36]
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mircea_popescu there's a world out there i tell you. [18:38]
nubbins` the spread of language is a fascinating topic [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.335 BTC [-] [18:48]
mircea_popescu indeed. [18:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+] [18:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00179 = 0.895 BTC [-] [18:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 532 @ 0.00179999 = 0.9576 BTC [+] {2} [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.029 = 0.145 BTC [-] [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2917 @ 0.00035149 = 1.0253 BTC [+] {6} [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3065 @ 0.00038773 = 1.1884 BTC [+] {4} [19:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0018165 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3} [19:03]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0293 = 0.1465 BTC [+] {2} [19:19]
KRS1 do you guys know anything about mastercoin [19:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00079985 = 5.359 BTC [+] {2} [19:25]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/revisiting-the-topic-of-economic-injustice-with-examples/ [19:26]
ozbot Revisiting the topic of “economic injustice”, with examples pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes [19:26]
mircea_popescu KRS1 iirc it's some attempt to do something very similar to colored coins while claiming a different name for the thing, and some snappy website. [19:27]
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mircea_popescu basically as best anyone can determine the body of shills that were trying to push ripple half a year back and got trampled underfoot have mooved on to this thing. [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08187011 = 0.3275 BTC [-] {2} [19:28]
mircea_popescu too early to say that it's stupid, if it actually is. so far, we just don't know why anyone should care. [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06505001 = 0.5204 BTC [-] {2} [19:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00079996 = 14.2393 BTC [+] {2} [19:39]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [19:41]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1166.30003, Best ask: 1168.69998, Bid-ask spread: 2.39995, Last trade: 1166.30001, 24 hour volume: 48299.58455324, 24 hour low: 1050.0, 24 hour high: 1242.0, 24 hour vwap: 1157.40475 [19:41]
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mircea_popescu aww no 1500 ?! [19:42]
mircea_popescu IT HAS BEEN A DAY!!! [19:42]
mircea_popescu I DEMAND MY IMAGINARY WINNINGS! [19:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12089 @ 0.00080004 = 9.6717 BTC [+] {2} [19:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5102 @ 0.00080062 = 4.0848 BTC [+] {2} [19:44]
kakobrekla imaginary winnings? [19:44]
kakobrekla bitbet crew are experts at that stuff [19:45]
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mircea_popescu lol [19:45]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you are such a riot! [19:46]
thestringpuller you should do stand up [19:46]
thestringpuller "In Romania, topless girl execute orders not computer!!!" [19:47]
thestringpuller "What's the difference between a topless girl and a computer?" [19:47]
mircea_popescu it doesn't pay nearly enough [19:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.07899999 = 0.237 BTC [+] [19:52]
dexX7 are bitcoin tx slow at the moment? [19:54]
mircea_popescu ;;tslb [19:54]
gribble Time since last block: 3 minutes and 9 seconds [19:54]
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dexX7 looks like the size of the recent blocks reached the soft? limit again [19:55]
dexX7 this wouldn't have an impact on tslb i think [19:56]
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mircea_popescu a in that sense [19:57]
mircea_popescu well... tx fees you know ? [19:57]
mircea_popescu i expect next year all blocks will be full [19:57]
mircea_popescu which is how this thing is supposed to work, bid for tx space. [19:57]
thestringpuller dude why are there so many magic numbers in the bitcoin source code [20:00]
thestringpuller I didn't know it was this bad [20:00]
mircea_popescu dexX7 last few blocks are < 1/4mb anyway [20:00]
mircea_popescu wasn't soft limit 500k ? [20:00]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller that's what everyone says, "holy shit, i had no idea it is this bad" [20:00]
dexX7 all last 7 were at 250 + 1 (eligius) at 500 [20:01]
thestringpuller bandwidth should increas 30% so we'll just put float 0.3 here [20:01]
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thestringpuller da fuq.... [20:01]
mircea_popescu ppl can't code. [20:01]
mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com "magic numbers" [20:01]
gribble The bitchslapping of 2013… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially ...: ; The reason you can't have nice numbers and other considerations ...: (1 more message) [20:01]
mircea_popescu literally all the articles that come up for that query discuss the bitcoin tardteam. [20:02]
bloctoc KRS1 - I suppose I fit the definition of one of the shills who was pumping Ripple last year and is on to mastercoin this year. I moved all my ripples to mastercoin last night. Why? I'm convinced that Enron got gutted instead of highly leveraged company x because they pretty much gave the finger to the rest of the trading community at every opportunity. I see Ripple (commercial version) guys having done the same thing to the [20:02]
bloctoc bitcoin community. I don't know what the alternatives are with colored coins, but I really like the idea of reversible transactions using mastercoin. [20:02]
mircea_popescu bloctoc why ? [20:03]
mircea_popescu (do you like the idea of reversible transactions) [20:03]
bloctoc I have enough bitcoins sitting on my laptop that I fear theft. [20:03]
mircea_popescu but he who can reverse transactions can steal them [20:04]
mircea_popescu this is a degradation of your security. [20:04]
bloctoc …and I can't seem to build trust to trade in bitcoin-otc I'm hoping that reversible transactions helps there too. [20:04]
mircea_popescu hm. [20:05]
mircea_popescu but i fail to see the logic, if you don't like the bitcoin in bitcoin why not just sell them for fiat or rubber tyres or w./e that better suits your needs. [20:05]
bloctoc I traded bitcoin for mastercoin because I want to try out a p2p passthrough for mpex.co [20:08]
bloctoc if colored coins is better for that, then I'm all ears. I'm not dogmatic. [20:09]
mircea_popescu i'm not dogmatic either, contrary to what you may have heard :) [20:11]
mircea_popescu trying to sound out this entire thing, so. [20:11]
mircea_popescu now, that i do it with a 200kgf vice and an acetylene blowtorch... well.. just a matter of style. [20:12]
thestringpuller sounds like someone is cooking meth... [20:12]
mircea_popescu who ? what ? [20:17]
bloctoc I don't want to load this channel up with alt coin discussions, but there are other functionalities that need to go p2p to take care of things like profitable mining companies that lose their centralized exchange. [20:21]
pankkake mastercoin: "Peer to Peer Exchange, User Currencies, Savings Wallets, Smart Property, and Future Event Contacts" [20:22]
pankkake besides the misspelling "contacts", I'm not sure what's the point of a blockchain [20:22]
pankkake for OTC trading I've even made *throwable* contracts; when it's done no need to keep it [20:23]
pankkake however perhaps a web of trust on the blockchain could be useful [20:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. i agree pankkake, i can't discern any point where this diverges from bitcoin differently than simple ignorance. [20:24]
pankkake "user currencies" is actually a good idea, but it's decentralized (except its trading between users); you'd have an issuer [20:25]
pankkake makes a better Ripple in any case [20:25]
mircea_popescu everyone : there's a new ipmi exploit, it's perfectly capable to root your box. [20:25]
mircea_popescu if your ipmi interface is exposed ot the public internet you're at risk [20:26]
pankkake I've seen that, scary… pretty sure my server in a datacenter has ipmi, I don't know how filtered it is [20:26]
mircea_popescu this is why kvm over local ip is so much better [20:27]
mircea_popescu then again, ipmi si cheaper. [20:27]
pankkake yeah, that's the thing [20:27]
pankkake but hardware with those fancy web interfaces is such a bad idea [20:27]
pankkake there's been many router hacks etc [20:27]
mircea_popescu verily. [20:27]
mircea_popescu at least the router you can configure to only be accessible from the in side. [20:28]
mircea_popescu which is how they default [20:28]
pankkake usually. there's been examples in the wild of the contrary [20:28]
pankkake and then there's the default passwords [20:29]
pankkake or defaulting to WEP [20:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00080077 = 3.6435 BTC [+] [20:33]
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mircea_popescu Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform [20:48]
mircea_popescu hallelujah [20:48]
mod6 ^^ [20:48]
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mod6 Thx for the update on ipmi. [20:53]
pankkake wasn't that known already, the flash thing? [20:54]
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mircea_popescu prolly. i only now heard [20:55]
jurov` i didn't knew it [20:55]
pankkake doesn't really mean the end of flash… just that they won't port newer versions [20:55]
pankkake also there's this thing with Chrome, a bundled Flash, not using the NPAPI [20:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00080077 = 9.6493 BTC [+] [20:58]
ThickAsThieves so frustrated right now, fancy new audio pc has no firewire port... [21:01]
nubbins` harder and harder to find these days [21:02]
pankkake cheap pci cards available [21:02]
ThickAsThieves last i check a majority of audio peeps use firewire sound cards [21:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7345 @ 0.0008004 = 5.8789 BTC [-] {2} [21:02]
pankkake no I mean, PCI cards providing Firewire ports [21:03]
ThickAsThieves yeah but i want sound now :( [21:03]
pankkake "I ain't instructing your bulbously barren head" lol… and here I was waiting for an actual discussion [21:03]
nubbins` lots of people just get a USB interface with a bunch of audio ports too [21:04]
nubbins` you can get some nice multitrack boards these days for not too much $$ [21:04]
ThickAsThieves its the same card from my previous sys, a MOTU 828mkii [21:06]
ThickAsThieves tested to convert audio as well as some very expensive stuff from today [21:06]
ThickAsThieves made before they started using shitty converter chips [21:06]
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mircea_popescu ahaha that dr greg forum guy is hysterical. [21:18]
mircea_popescu "how one never enters naked options positions, while simultaneously never hedging options positions" [21:18]
mircea_popescu aka, "how does one not steal clothes while also not returning them" [21:18]
mircea_popescu forum muppets never heard of this mystical concept of, you know... like having money ? [21:19]
ThickAsThieves yeah but he's worried you'll lose all your money and then some [21:19]
mod6 they give phd's to anyone these days. [21:19]
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mircea_popescu mod6 esp on forums. besides, dr nefario also had one. [21:20]
mod6 hahah [21:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because if a bunch of redditards didn't do a lot of worrying, the ozone layer would still be there [21:20]
pankkake http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rpx26/mastercoin_is_a_joke/ (didn't read yet) [21:20]
ozbot Mastercoin is a joke : Bitcoin [21:20]
mircea_popescu o oops sorry my bad, the HOLE i meant. the ozone layer is fine. it was saved. [21:20]
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ThickAsThieves "Mastercoin crossed $1,000,000 USD worth of MSC in trading volume in a 24 hours period" (citing /u/DJohnston) [21:21]
mircea_popescu the burnside method ? [21:21]
mircea_popescu "First things first, I am a Genderfluid, meaning I consider myself both male and female, but I am a biological woman. I am in tune with myself and I am a Black Beta Wolf." [21:25]
pankkake Black Beta Wolf? [21:25]
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mircea_popescu i dare not ask. [21:25]
mircea_popescu tho a "Why not a dragon ?" seems appropriate. [21:26]
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pankkake well, do you know about the "otherkin" stuff? [21:26]
mircea_popescu people with subclinical mental issues trying to make their insanity socially acceptable ? [21:26]
pankkake "I think I'm a penguin, so I am a penguin", basically [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.060008 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3} [21:27]
mircea_popescu right. [21:27]
mircea_popescu i am black napoleon, i discovered america in indonesia. [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.03464114 = 0.2771 BTC [-] {8} [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00030507 = 0.6101 BTC [-] {4} [21:28]
pankkake beta wolf could describe personality, but don't see why black [21:28]
mircea_popescu of course afaik beta wolves don't have sex. [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.32003145 = 3.8404 BTC [-] {5} [21:29]
pankkake or beta humans in PUA theory [21:30]
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pankkake "In some species of birds, males pair up in twos when courting, the beta male aiding the alpha male." [21:30]
mircea_popescu beta humans have sex all the time [21:30]
mircea_popescu how do you think all the puas are born ? [21:30]
mircea_popescu pankkake ahaha that's the jerry-george idea~! [21:30]
pankkake I don't remember that [21:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google the summer of george [21:31]
gribble The Summer of George - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Summer of George - YouTube: ; "Seinfeld" The Summer of George (TV Episode 1997) - IMDb: [21:31]
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pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK yay! however I'm surprised bbet mods think No is the most likely. hmm unless it's accounting for the both not shipping [21:37]
mircea_popescu well doh ? [21:37]
pankkake BFL would be more than 2 months late. well, why not [21:37]
pankkake I would think they would fail less hard this time [21:38]
pankkake we'll see! [21:38]
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mircea_popescu count yourself lucky if they deliver a box of fans by the 4th of july [21:39]
pankkake past performance does not predict the future! [21:39]
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pankkake though a history of failure often does [21:39]
ThickAsThieves everyone has a gift [21:40]
ThickAsThieves have you seen boogie nights yet mp? [21:41]
ThickAsThieves ' The film tells the rags-to-riches-to-rags story of a young man with a dream. 17-year-old busboy Eddie Adams (Mark Wahlberg) believes that "everyone is blessed with one special gift." In Eddie's case, the gift is a 13" penis and boundless sexual energy. ' [21:42]
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drmandude does the name brak mean anything to any of you? I got .10 in btc with no information other than "brak" thought i might have won a bet. [21:42]
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ThickAsThieves brak is a space ghost character [21:43]
ThickAsThieves i like beans! [21:43]
ThickAsThieves and such [21:43]
drmandude yeah i know that [21:47]
drmandude but hmmm [21:47]
drmandude who would send me .10 btc with no reason [21:47]
drmandude brak obama [21:47]
drmandude lol [21:47]
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pankkake :D [21:48]
kakobrekla oh yeah sorry about that [21:49]
kakobrekla you can return those to my address [21:49]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i have. [21:51]
mircea_popescu i had seen it once before, 10ish years ago. it sucked then, it still sucks [21:52]
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mircea_popescu speaking of films, this is probably the best visual gag of all time : http://trilema.com/2013/ah-les-belles-bacchantes/ [21:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3} [21:57]
thestringpuller that is pretty good [21:57]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you played the original GTA no? [22:03]
mircea_popescu yeah. [22:04]
mircea_popescu ok, i think I found the oldest written argument against the state and for decentralisation. [22:04]
mircea_popescu L'Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal [22:05]
mircea_popescu 13th century. [22:05]
thestringpuller weren't the greeks decentralized? [22:06]
thestringpuller or was their no argument for it back then? [22:07]
mircea_popescu well it has to be written actually [22:10]
mircea_popescu but in general the greeks were quite decentralised, to the degree plato [22:10]
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mircea_popescu 's leviathanesque ideas struck as edgy rather than stupid [22:11]
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thestringpuller interesting. I wonder where the first argument for the behemoth of centralized government came from [22:16]
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mircea_popescu in written form, probably locke. [22:16]
mircea_popescu mnah, the leviathan is earlier. hobbes. [22:17]
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jurov` plato had some stuff about ideal state, no? but he prolly did not meant centralisation [22:18]
mircea_popescu jurov` he did so mean centralisation. plato's idea of the republic informs both mussolini's "all in the party and nothing outside the party" as well as mao's cultural revolution. [22:18]
mircea_popescu they're both very naive, yet very pure and very faithful platonisms, [22:19]
mircea_popescu much in the way plato's own nonsense ended up with socrate dead. [22:19]
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Venat so yeah [22:24]
Venat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=352085.0 good idea or bad idea. [22:25]
Venat this dude has a puzzle and charges for questions he will answer with yes or no [22:25]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 2**17 [22:30]
gribble 131072 [22:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00155541 = 2.3331 BTC [+] {7} [22:31]
mircea_popescu seems like a gem that takes work. [22:32]
mircea_popescu of the thinking kind. [22:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.001551 = 1.551 BTC [-] {3} [22:32]
mircea_popescu this on the surface seems to be exactly wrong : the sorts of people liable to send btc over to "profit" in such a scheme would be the exact ones not inclined to sit down and try and figure out anything. [22:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00155064 = 0.9552 BTC [-] {7} [22:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00152235 = 0.1507 BTC [-] {5} [22:34]
thestringpuller lolol [22:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.0015 = 0.147 BTC [-] {2} [22:35]
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dexX7 "Every question is a transaction with BTC and a 'signed message(=question)' to the pot-adress." ... signed msg to the pot-address? how does that work? [22:36]
dexX7 oh look https://blockchain.info/de/address/1GameCdKcrjr8mfDzDQMQX83zaZ1bU8UQP [22:38]
nubbins` i guess he just means put it in the note field [22:38]
dexX7 yea [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8166 @ 0.00079842 = 6.5199 BTC [-] {2} [22:39]
dexX7 so where can i find such a mixer? [22:39]
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mircea_popescu dexX7 you mean tag txs ? blockchain wallet apparently does it [22:40]
nubbins` nod [22:41]
mircea_popescu otherwise you can introduce arbitrary data in your tx, which peopel don't like because it bloats the chain [22:42]
mircea_popescu (blockchain uses a hash mechanism to mostly avoid this problem) [22:42]
nubbins` there's a limit of i think 256 chars [22:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no there isn't, people have put child porn in there. [22:42]
nubbins` wat! [22:42]
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dexX7 i know about the blockchain.info note.. i was just wondering about how he phrased the sentence [22:43]
dexX7 and then i was curious about the coin mixing [22:43]
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dexX7 but saw just that blockchain.info has a mixer included now [22:43]
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nubbins` it's had a "shared send" thing for a while now, iirc [22:44]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you got strings ? (the linux util) [22:44]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=274613.msg3089270#msg3089270 << guy went short "everything" in september. [22:47]
mircea_popescu http://www.dailydot.com/business/bitcoin-child-porn-transaction-code/ << possibly the most iliterate discussion of bitcoin, at least since the last time amir taaki said something. [22:55]
BingoBoingo "Looking like the 'August 2012' bubble" <- Does the poster mean that time Pirateat40 dumped a bunch of coins for fiat and depressed the exchange rate for months? [22:57]
mircea_popescu you mean the time pirate guy tried to depress the exhcnage rate and failed miserably within an afternoon ? [22:58]
BingoBoingo Were they the same time? I need to go back and check on that. [22:58]
mircea_popescu there's the log somewhere, lulzy reading material. [22:59]
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pankkake http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/linux-worm-targeting-hidden-devices [23:11]
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mircea_popescu The worm, Linux.Darlloz, exploits a PHP vulnerability [23:14]
mircea_popescu who the fuck has apache on an embedded chip [23:14]
pankkake actually, php-cgi, so likely not apache [23:15]
pankkake (apache users are often with mod_php) [23:15]
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mircea_popescu even better o.o [23:16]
mircea_popescu who installs php in cgi mode ?! [23:17]
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pankkake who installs php?! [23:18]
pankkake php-cgi is fastcgi too. but on a router it might make sense to have cgi; less memory usage when the web interface is not used [23:18]
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mircea_popescu pankkake well the entire "we put lamp in there" thing i could see maybe [23:19]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ [23:23]
mircea_popescu basically this is a "bfl will fail to deliver by march" wioth some irrelevant crap tacked on [23:23]
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jurov` interesting, all BitcoinSARL's stuff is unreachable except bitcoinbourse.eu [23:45]
jurov` https://twitter.com/dotcoin loool so dude has it at some french hosting.. and nobody's going to fix it cus it's friday evening [23:47]
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benkay ;;ticker --market bitstamp [23:49]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 1128.51, Best ask: 1129.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 1129.0, 24 hour volume: 21860.41608710, 24 hour low: 988.22, 24 hour high: 1129.0, 24 hour vwap: 1048.35502421 [23:49]
benkay ;;ticker --currency xau [23:49]
gribble MtGox BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.972824, Best ask: 0.975199936, Bid-ask spread: 0.00238, Last trade: 0.97176, 24 hour volume: 49622.81261394, 24 hour low: 0.84, 24 hour high: 0.9936, 24 hour vwap: 0.928699928 [23:49]
jurov` anyone knows who is behing this? http://alpha-t.net/ - litecoin asic [23:49]
jurov` the font in logo made me suspect it's bitcoinsarl's doing... but can't find any link [23:50]
jurov` aka markus weiler [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00179999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3} [23:51]
mircea_popescu first time i see it. [23:53]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133147.msg3769061#msg3769061 [23:53]
mircea_popescu and picostocks ends. [23:53]
jurov` meh, they will do an IPO [23:55]
davout ouch [23:58]
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