Forum logs for 28 Jan 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BingoBoingo decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock. [02:07]
decimation sure. do you have a clock that will but sub-second accurate across decades? [02:08]
mod6 asciilifeform: what size display do you ya have? i checked it out with lynx too, looks pcool. [02:08]
asciilifeform 1440 horiz. [02:08]
mircea_popescu decimation how do you now ? [02:08]
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mircea_popescu !up [02:08]
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asciilifeform cut off unless fixedtype font is set absurdly small. [02:08]
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mircea_popescu decimation how do you now ? [02:09]
mod6 lemme see on this pcbsd box, its set to 1024x768 [02:09]
TheNewDeal anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? [02:09]
BingoBoingo decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure. [02:09]
mircea_popescu note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes. [02:09]
decimation mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks [02:09]
mod6 looks ok on that box [02:09]
mircea_popescu time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition. [02:09]
danielpbarron TheNewDeal, not frequently.. but i host a cash game every saturday [02:10]
mircea_popescu decimation exactly. not even a blockchain. [02:10]
BingoBoingo Time is not a feature of physics. It is imposed by the apperception upon the manifold. [02:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr [02:10]
assbot rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR [02:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have one. they work. [02:10]
TheNewDeal the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers [02:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: distinguish wall clock time from the other kind. [02:11]
mircea_popescu even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades [02:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Will note [02:11]
mircea_popescu (i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events) [02:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: interval is rigorously defined as n transitions of cesium atom b/w energy levels [02:11]
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asciilifeform the purpose is precision rather than accuracy. [02:11]
BingoBoingo !up tripleslash [02:11]
mircea_popescu this is like "rigurously" defining womanhood as "n individual sex acts" [02:11]
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asciilifeform precision timekeeping is what allows for, e.g., satellite navigation. [02:12]
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tripleslash fucking znc [02:12]
BingoBoingo timekeeping is a myth [02:12]
decimation yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy' [02:12]
mircea_popescu tripleslash you too ? [02:12]
asciilifeform rigorous, in this case, means 'arbitrarily replicable' [02:12]
asciilifeform on demand. [02:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform notice that so would be his. [02:12]
mircea_popescu for different values, ofcourse. [02:12]
BingoBoingo Time is properly not measured from reality, but imposed upon reality. [02:13]
asciilifeform incidentally, cesium standard is a fairly recent thing. [02:13]
mircea_popescu well so is the iridium alloy meter. [02:13]
asciilifeform was arrived at somewhat reluctantly, as i understand. [02:13]
asciilifeform just as metre. [02:13]
mircea_popescu standards generally are a recent thing. but time is particularly iffy when you try to bridge what's fundamentally unbridgeable [02:14]
mircea_popescu (micro to macro interactions) [02:14]
decimation isn't that what your processor is doing right now? [02:14]
mircea_popescu note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight, [02:14]
mircea_popescu coupla weeks ago [02:14]
asciilifeform stuck? [02:14]
mircea_popescu decimation yeah, which is why we just had a cve earlier. [02:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency" [02:15]
asciilifeform what if they didn't. what then. sunrise off by a few ns. [02:15]
mircea_popescu well... [02:15]
mircea_popescu EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb. [02:15]
asciilifeform i say braindamaged. [02:15]
BingoBoingo Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception [02:15]
mircea_popescu we can agree that any convention is provably broken. that's by definition. [02:15]
decimation mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase [02:15]
mircea_popescu decimation maybe "biotcoin blocks" is your timebase. [02:15]
mircea_popescu i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be. [02:16]
decimation sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor [02:16]
mircea_popescu such as, contracts. "rent this appartment for 50`000 blocks" [02:16]
asciilifeform as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision. [02:16]
mircea_popescu only in YOUR system [02:16]
mircea_popescu in my system YOUR precision is measurably poor. [02:16]
mircea_popescu relativity. it's a thing. [02:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform as long as that determination was made in a certain system that precludes so and so :) [02:16]
mircea_popescu "hey check it out, as long as im measuring atom transitions by atom transitions, atom transitions do not appear to misbehave!" [02:17]
BingoBoingo Kritik der reinen Vernunft A37=B54fn [02:17]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...' [02:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's why i laid into him. he wanted micro precision somehow magically over macro spans. [02:18]
mircea_popescu otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics. [02:18]
* BingoBoingo still maintains official apperception independent time standard off of wound spring. [02:18]
mircea_popescu lol how many shots you in bb ? [02:19]
decimation well, your 'bitcoin clock' would be pretty poor at precisely measuring a range of natural phenomena, with epicycles aplenty [02:19]
mircea_popescu sure. but perhaps it would be great at measuring economic and perhaps even social and political phenomena. [02:19]
mircea_popescu !up Dimsler [02:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent. [02:20]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ima try an' catch up. apparently can't sleep [02:20]
Dimsler what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles [02:20]
decimation good point, that [02:20]
mircea_popescu how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc. [02:20]
mircea_popescu there's no end of that. [02:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it. [02:21]
mircea_popescu maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off [02:21]
asciilifeform achtung, panzers! [02:21]
asciilifeform guess what i've got. [02:21]
mircea_popescu ye, 85 million years offs. [02:21]
mircea_popescu ;;seen adlai [02:22]
gribble adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 11 hours, 51 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager [02:22]
asciilifeform a deterministic builder of statically linked 0.5.3.xxxxx. for arbitrary cross-compiler. and ran. and turd runs on pogo. [02:22]
Dimsler good ol Rutherford-Bohr model [02:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, jurov ^^^^^^ [02:22]
decimation excellent news! [02:22]
mircea_popescu fuck you you magnificent bastard. [02:22]
asciilifeform will post shortly [02:22]
asciilifeform note! had to patch the bitcoin [02:22]
mircea_popescu how ? [02:22]
mod6 asciilifeform: sweet. what'd ya have to patch? [02:23]
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asciilifeform because it was retardedly missing a header. [02:23]
adlai mircea_popescu: sup [02:23]
asciilifeform somehow this flew [02:23]
asciilifeform but not with static libs [02:23]
mircea_popescu adlai how much capital were you looking for ? [02:23]
* decimation feels sorry for the poor celestial navigator who is thrown off the timebase bus [02:23]
mod6 what header? [02:24]
asciilifeform stripped binary 4153212 bytes [02:24]
asciilifeform with no dependencies [02:24]
tripleslash that's better [02:24]
decimation asciilifeform: did you have to patch gcc to fix the bug you posted the other day? [02:24]
asciilifeform mod6: stdint. [02:24]
mircea_popescu tripleslash saw teward's lulzy crash earlier ? [02:24]
asciilifeform decimation: nope [02:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dude... [02:24]
BingoBoingo spring operated wrist mounted time standard is only 1.5 minutes off of ntp reported time in 8 years of constant operation. [02:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is invited to replicate once automat is posted [02:24]
decimation BingoBoingo: did you set it in those 8 years? [02:25]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, it's a joke [02:25]
BingoBoingo decimation: Only hourly corrections for DST, but I do that based on raw feels. [02:25]
Dimsler since we are discussing horology [02:25]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic what is ? [02:25]
Apocalyptic teward's quit message faking a segfault in znc [02:25]
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mircea_popescu o it is ?! [02:25]
mircea_popescu got me lol [02:26]
Apocalyptic heh, yeah [02:26]
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adlai mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits. [02:26]
BingoBoingo decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse. [02:26]
* decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time [02:27]
mircea_popescu adlai no dude, weren't you looking to run a PC based on it ? [02:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct. [02:28]
adlai that was mentioned as a possibility. what do you mean by "MPIF is direct"? [02:28]
BingoBoingo decimation: Man has never done that since ptolemy [02:28]
BingoBoingo adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary [02:29]
BingoBoingo * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop. [02:30]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public. [02:30]
mircea_popescu One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h [02:30]
mircea_popescu ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government. [02:30]
mircea_popescu vs [02:30]
mircea_popescu One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic [02:30]
mircea_popescu ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate. [02:30]
mircea_popescu adlai "mpif is direct", where's that from ? [02:31]
mircea_popescu context dammit [02:31]
mircea_popescu oh [02:31]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994908 [02:31]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:24:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think adlai mentioned it assuming an intermediary being necessary not knowing that MPIF is direct. [02:31]
adlai :) [02:32]
Dimsler mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is [02:32]
mircea_popescu adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ? [02:32]
adlai i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory [02:32]
mircea_popescu Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again. [02:32]
mircea_popescu adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc. [02:33]
Dimsler the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc [02:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later. [02:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo just generally you know, run on prose. [02:33]
decimation Dimsler: wohnen Sie in der Schweiz? [02:34]
BingoBoingo Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka. [02:34]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:34]
Apocalyptic trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? [02:34]
mircea_popescu i think it's so tense and comma-tose because you're too tight. gotta learn to relax without liquor. [02:34]
Dimsler decimation, nein [02:34]
BingoBoingo Probably. [02:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, great article, solid structure, errything. [02:35]
decimation Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp [02:35]
BingoBoingo Thank you. [02:35]
Dimsler decimation, at great cost to the quality of life for the average german [02:35]
BingoBoingo My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots. [02:36]
mircea_popescu Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman. [02:36]
mircea_popescu thousands of dacias sailed out of timisoara EACH DAY by train, for over a year [02:36]
mircea_popescu cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish [02:36]
BingoBoingo Marmot sounds like an absolute shit animul [02:36]
Dimsler yes and all those euros that flew in to build roads [02:37]
BingoBoingo Not a grand animal builder of bunkers for a post nuclear age [02:37]
Dimsler the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency [02:37]
mircea_popescu what exactly do you think take overs are ? [02:37]
mircea_popescu what, the french in alger, the belgians in congo, the erryone errywhere. [02:38]
adlai mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq. [02:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00040042 = 14.0652 BTC [+] {2} [02:38]
asciilifeform mod6, jurov: sent [02:38]
Dimsler neo-colonialism was not a sustainable endeavour [02:38]
decimation of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 [02:38]
asciilifeform mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though [02:38]
asciilifeform mod6 check plz ? [02:38]
mircea_popescu adlai you don't have to have a mpex account to be a pc manager if that's what yer asking. [02:38]
asciilifeform i'm not seeing any output. [02:39]
mircea_popescu of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation. [02:39]
mircea_popescu right into my "argentina has no school" of yest. [02:39]
asciilifeform ^ moldy's observation originally [02:39]
decimation aye, it was moldbug's [02:39]
* adlai wants to minimize counterparty risk. if mp is investing in a trading shop, why should mp's money leave mp's ex? [02:39]
mircea_popescu don't you need it to be on whatever exchange ? [02:39]
Dimsler decimation, i believe simon heffer rejuvenated that idea back in 2011 [02:39]
adlai what's mpex, a text-based casino? [02:39]
Dimsler "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich." [02:40]
mircea_popescu adlai dude, you're making yourself impossible to follow. i thought you wrote a fx bot that works on 2-3 exchanges currenty and you're looking to finance it. [02:40]
decimation as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology [02:40]
Dimsler what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt [02:40]
mircea_popescu decimation not too far off. [02:41]
BingoBoingo adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when. [02:41]
Dimsler decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps [02:41]
asciilifeform http://loper-os.org/pub/ifuckinghatethis.tgz [02:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1fOW0 ) [02:41]
asciilifeform ^ mircea_popescu et al [02:41]
mircea_popescu Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks – building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe." [02:41]
asciilifeform yes jurov's thing ate it silently. [02:41]
adlai what's the MPIA? [02:42]
mircea_popescu why do you hate it ?! [02:42]
BingoBoingo adlai: MP Intelligence Agency [02:42]
asciilifeform because it doesn't work. [02:42]
adlai lololololl [02:42]
asciilifeform never worked. [02:42]
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asciilifeform i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today [02:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i thought you just said it worked a moment ago ? [02:42]
asciilifeform and it was missing dashes. [02:42]
decimation http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The [02:42]
asciilifeform my code - works [02:42]
decimation Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)" [02:42]
assbot Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN ) [02:42]
asciilifeform turdatron - n [02:42]
asciilifeform o [02:42]
Dimsler mircea_popescu, LOL i know [02:43]
asciilifeform it also ate my mail [02:43]
Dimsler a very amusing analogy [02:43]
asciilifeform without even a squeak. [02:43]
asciilifeform turdatron == jurov's www patch submission gizmo [02:43]
asciilifeform on therealbitcoin.org [02:43]
mircea_popescu decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl... [02:43]
asciilifeform well anyway, i'm back to putting patches on my site [02:43]
mircea_popescu the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s. [02:44]
asciilifeform ifuckinghatethis.tgz <<<<<<< universal deterministic builder for bitcoind [02:44]
decimation asciilifeform: lol [02:44]
asciilifeform for any machine you like that has gcc [02:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16474 @ 0.00040604 = 6.6891 BTC [+] [02:44]
asciilifeform instructions inside. safe if used as prescribed. [02:44]
Dimsler excuse my ignorance but what is b-a? [02:44]
decimation mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion [02:44]
mircea_popescu this. [02:44]
Apocalyptic ;;search Bridgewater [02:44]
gribble There were no matching configuration variables. [02:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform are you going to write a full step by step guide and publish on blog ? [02:45]
asciilifeform it's in there! [02:45]
asciilifeform it's just a fscking shell script [02:45]
adlai mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things [02:45]
mircea_popescu as it is, it dun exist. has to have rounded corners yo! but anyway! let's do packaging separately. [02:45]
mircea_popescu yo danielpbarron you around ? [02:45]
* adlai trusts himself with his own money, barely. [02:45]
asciilifeform nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet [02:45]
asciilifeform this one gives you a bitcoind executable, fully static, for given cpu. [02:46]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu, ya [02:46]
asciilifeform using given turdballs of 'openssl', 'bdb', 'boost'. [02:46]
asciilifeform user supplies them. [02:46]
asciilifeform oh don't forget the patch. [02:46]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron wouldja be willing to package asciilifeform's final pogo stuff into a very detailed, any noob can get it post ? [02:46]
asciilifeform this particular script just as easily builds pc unix version of bitcoin [02:46]
danielpbarron sure [02:47]
asciilifeform just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one. [02:47]
asciilifeform deterministic build, about 40 minutes later. [02:47]
asciilifeform (on my box) [02:47]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron drop an address i'll send you a few dollah so you can buy yourself a few pogos to try it all out on. [02:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet [02:47]
asciilifeform just gives arm ELF of bitcoin [02:47]
Apocalyptic re self-centered cultures, I recently stumbled upon Bridgewater, a hedge fund that mainstream media often described as "a cult". It shares several concepts with b-a [02:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i know. im prepping your packager so you don't have to do it yourself. [02:47]
asciilifeform can run on any armv5 box running a unix. [02:47]
asciilifeform danke mircea_popescu [02:47]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic write it up ? got a blog ? [02:48]
asciilifeform anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his [02:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ and his pdp [02:48]
asciilifeform or what it was [02:48]
mircea_popescu adlai you gotta man up at *some* point. [02:48]
asciilifeform 60 lines of sh. [02:48]
asciilifeform dear glub. why this did not exist before. [02:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform answer obvious, skipping. [02:49]
asciilifeform l0l aha [02:49]
asciilifeform i was gonna post my armv5 elf [02:49]
asciilifeform but realized that me tree's out of date [02:49]
asciilifeform not even the bdb locks patch [02:49]
Apocalyptic mircea, nope. Maybe some qntra writers will find it worth an article [02:50]
asciilifeform (why? see thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#994353 ) [02:50]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) [02:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: When hardware replaces pile cooked by fucking NetPG will try. Worst BSD experience ever. Would not lament painful demise of NetBSD devs responsible for that abortion. [02:50]
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decimation asciilifeform: your sigs check out [02:50]
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asciilifeform ty decimation [02:51]
asciilifeform now somebody fire it. [02:51]
asciilifeform oh [02:51]
asciilifeform probably should explain patch [02:51]
asciilifeform 1) nixed zlib. it isn't used in bitcoin! it was demanded by demented fucktarded 'boost' > 1.53, iirc (won't even let you cut it off) [02:52]
decimation i remember that dep. hell [02:52]
asciilifeform 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it [02:52]
asciilifeform 3) added missing stdint header include in util.h. how it worked without it? ask satoshi not me [02:53]
asciilifeform that's all. [02:53]
asciilifeform end product should be 'bitcoind' in bitcoin/src, stripped [02:53]
decimation I had to do that to make it build on openbsd [02:53]
asciilifeform for your cpu. [02:53]
decimation too lazy to build patch sorry :( [02:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if memory serves it worked by "ignore missing deps" flag at compile time lol [02:54]
asciilifeform and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type. [02:55]
mircea_popescu why not. [02:55]
mircea_popescu wcpgw [02:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk" [02:55]
BingoBoingo Dammit [02:56]
mircea_popescu "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term ‘coined’ by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises" [02:56]
mircea_popescu distributive justice ? seriously ? [02:56]
asciilifeform btw that thing is running on me pogo now. [02:56]
mircea_popescu distributively juice my cock. [02:56]
asciilifeform grabbing bloxx [02:56]
mircea_popescu yay! [02:56]
BingoBoingo fxd [02:57]
decimation asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls [02:57]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to. [02:57]
mircea_popescu decimation asciilifeform only q is, does it take less than 10 mins per block. [02:57]
BingoBoingo Now now, apparently distributive justice is a concept white people who redefine queer to no longer mean gay take seriouslu [02:58]
asciilifeform decimation: model name : Feroceon 88FR131 rev 1 (v5l) [02:58]
asciilifeform BogoMIPS : 795.44 [02:58]
asciilifeform (/proc/cpuinfo) [02:58]
asciilifeform for what it's worth. [02:58]
decimation that's actually not too bad [02:58]
mircea_popescu feroceon ?! ahahaha great name. [02:58]
BingoBoingo fxd pt 2 [02:58]
adlai mircea_popescu: scalpl has existed for less than a year. puberty rarely starts in less than a decade. by this metric, i'm optimistic! [02:59]
mircea_popescu adlai alrighty. [02:59]
decimation what does cat /proc/timer_list | grep resolution return? [02:59]
mircea_popescu ^ yeah me 2. [02:59]
danielpbarron mircea_popescu, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo.asc.txt [02:59]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1iFy0 ) [02:59]
asciilifeform blocheit 1416 [03:00]
* adlai is not looking for a lump sum right now / yet. "scalpl is an experiment" [03:00]
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asciilifeform decimation: .resolution: 1 nsecs [03:00]
decimation interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer [03:00]
asciilifeform decimation: prolly tick counter [03:00]
asciilifeform like everybody else. [03:01]
decimation aye [03:01]
mircea_popescu that must be a fake [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu see above [03:01]
decimation yeah it's not really able to measure 1 ns with precision [03:01]
mircea_popescu yea k [03:01]
asciilifeform oscillator drift [03:01]
asciilifeform your cpu pll is not a scientific instrument, lol [03:01]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762924 [03:02]
assbot Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument. [03:02]
mircea_popescu "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in [03:02]
mircea_popescu which such control can be exercised is through a democratic, collective agency." [03:02]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha o lordy. [03:02]
asciilifeform (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error) [03:02]
mircea_popescu a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ? [03:02]
mircea_popescu line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight. [03:02]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list [03:03]
asciilifeform mod6: i sent it [03:03]
asciilifeform it ate it [03:03]
asciilifeform naturally, nothing came out other end. [03:03]
mod6 yeah. it ate that one of mine too. its hungry. [03:03]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness. [03:03]
mircea_popescu "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version. [03:04]
decimation mircea_popescu: of course, if such a person would spew such nonsense to many kings of yore he would be hanging from a tree [03:04]
BingoBoingo fxd 3 [03:04]
mircea_popescu decimation not so. [03:04]
asciilifeform after 1900 blox, ram is half full [03:04]
mircea_popescu on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic. [03:05]
BingoBoingo fxd 4 [03:05]
asciilifeform wat even is this [03:05]
decimation mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively [03:06]
mircea_popescu "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia." [03:06]
mircea_popescu essentially, bitcoin is apolitical AND areligious. [03:07]
decimation of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened [03:07]
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mircea_popescu a religion that likes to call itself political because out of historical accident it replaced yahveh with something identical but called "reason" for no good reason is realy butthurt at this [03:07]
mircea_popescu anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here. [03:08]
asciilifeform oh before i forget [03:09]
BingoBoingo fxd 5, deviant from suggestion [03:09]
asciilifeform that thing needs to piss debug.log to rs232 console, not disk [03:09]
asciilifeform (now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee) [03:09]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a69f71f07be6948d17bc1b8eac711a9/tumblr_mgybi1ruLj1rycl0co1_1280.jpg great titjob is great. [03:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1k4F0 ) [03:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media. [03:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fork of fork ? [03:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo coo. [03:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. toy computer needs a little bit of own variant [03:10]
asciilifeform for maximum ribbed pleasure [03:10]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=qntra.net&src=typd [03:10]
assbot qntra.net - Twitter Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1kcEj ) [03:10]
mircea_popescu lol [03:11]
BingoBoingo Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere [03:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn [03:11]
decimation !http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/news/business/american-airlines-interested-in-offering-flights-to-cuba-1.1259365 [03:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they still do that in the us ?! [03:11]
asciilifeform no. [03:12]
asciilifeform i never saw it in usa. [03:12]
mircea_popescu prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch. [03:12]
mircea_popescu ah kk [03:12]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nice stuff. [03:12]
decimation mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers [03:12]
asciilifeform decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater [03:13]
decimation even our security theater is made of plastic these days [03:13]
mircea_popescu maybe they progress to dildos soon [03:13]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:13]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 256.09, Best ask: 257.18, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 255.99, 24 hour volume: 15905.86238738, 24 hour low: 243.1, 24 hour high: 267.72, 24 hour vwap: 257.153636816 [03:13]
mircea_popescu heh srsly ? [03:14]
asciilifeform discount plastic dildo [03:14]
decimation they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113 [03:16]
assbot Plastic Bollards | Plastic Traffic Bollards | Removable Plastic Bollards ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1l9N2 ) [03:16]
BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twlrx/localbitcoinscom_compromised_bitcoins_stolen/co39nea [03:17]
assbot ButterNubber comments on LocalBitcoins.com Compromised, Bitcoins Stolen ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1liA0 ) [03:17]
decimation with that I bid good evening gentlemen [03:17]
decimation !down decimation [03:17]
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BingoBoingo http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/stainless-steel-bollards-c1026/stainless-steel-bollards-mitred-welded-cap-p4595 [03:18]
assbot Stainless Steel Bollards Mitred Welded Cap. · Barriers Direct ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lrnb ) [03:18]
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asciilifeform oh elf shows as 'dynamic', because http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg [03:18]
assbot $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 ) [03:18]
asciilifeform for a minute i almost thought it was all a waste of time. [03:19]
mod6 http://pastebin.com/MswHdRyg [03:19]
assbot $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 ) [03:19]
mod6 f [03:19]
mod6 sorry [03:19]
asciilifeform blockheight=2892, memory is 90 percent full. [03:21]
asciilifeform soon dies. [03:21]
asciilifeform 3324 rather [03:21]
asciilifeform anyone still awake who gives a fuck ? [03:21]
asciilifeform i'ma leave it go [03:21]
mod6 yeah [03:21]
mod6 just let it run [03:22]
mod6 that's what it does though, chews up ram [03:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform let it go, what. see what happens if it's unattended till tomorrow. [03:22]
asciilifeform world's smallest bitcoin node possible. [03:22]
mod6 and you're on like a 128mb pogo or w/e right? [03:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it will do exactly what planned, oomkill itself [03:22]
mircea_popescu and restart ? [03:22]
asciilifeform mod6 aha [03:22]
asciilifeform aha [03:22]
mircea_popescu so let it go. [03:22]
asciilifeform what i said, ye [03:23]
asciilifeform loop, loop. [03:23]
mod6 aight. anyway gl! [03:23]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/560321172760715264 [03:23]
assbot It's 2015, and we can't even resolve DNS without accidentally executing code :( [03:23]
mircea_popescu come back in 24 hour sor w/e you have time, see how far it got. [03:23]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo amen. [03:23]
asciilifeform i'm still mindfucking over that it weights only 4m [03:23]
asciilifeform *weighs [03:23]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mind too pickled to make trigger decisions atm [03:23]
mircea_popescu no dude. it's about right. [03:23]
mircea_popescu once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots. [03:24]
asciilifeform most of the 4m is crud incidentally [03:24]
mircea_popescu exactly. [03:24]
TheNewDeal !down TheNEwDeal [03:24]
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BingoBoingo Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise [03:24]
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asciilifeform i should like to hear tomorrow that one of you folks built it [03:25]
asciilifeform and it ran [03:25]
asciilifeform doesn't get any easier than this [03:25]
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-tripleslash- tripleslash is not registered in WoT. [03:25]
mircea_popescu !up happyfr0gg [03:25]
-assbot- You voiced happyfr0gg for 30 minutes. [03:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform we see what danielpbarron sez [03:26]
mircea_popescu !up tripleslash [03:26]
-assbot- You voiced tripleslash for 30 minutes. [03:26]
* assbot gives voice to tripleslash [03:26]
-tripleslash- fucking bots. [03:26]
mircea_popescu tripleslash gotta use your reg'd name. [03:26]
tripleslash fucking bots [03:26]
tripleslash gay [03:26]
mircea_popescu no u [03:26]
tripleslash urmom [03:26]
mircea_popescu clearly. [03:26]
tripleslash some things aren't meant to be. [03:26]
mircea_popescu lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior. [03:27]
mircea_popescu "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?" [03:27]
tripleslash "so which is it: did you have two momrs or two dads?" [03:27]
* BingoBoingo still reels over 2015 college definition of queer including MP [03:27]
mircea_popescu "and which one was the llama" [03:27]
tripleslash ;;ud queer [03:27]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=queer | queer: Originally pejorative for gay, now being reclaimed by some gay men, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons as a self-affirming umbrella term. [03:27]
mircea_popescu queer was never fucking pejorative wtf. [03:28]
BingoBoingo Because now everything but man with singular wife and children is queer [03:28]
tripleslash I'd argue man with singular wife and children is queer. [03:28]
mircea_popescu well either queer or not very bright. [03:29]
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BingoBoingo tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets. [03:29]
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BingoBoingo !up happyfr0gg [03:30]
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tripleslash BingoBoingo, never. [03:30]
mircea_popescu !up happyfr0gg [03:30]
-assbot- You voiced happyfr0gg for another 30 minutes. [03:30]
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tripleslash !down [03:30]
tripleslash !down tripleslash [03:30]
mircea_popescu lol [03:30]
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BingoBoingo !up tripleslash [03:30]
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BingoBoingo tripleslash: Free live minstrel shows... [03:31]
tripleslash !ud minstrel [03:31]
tripleslash damn, I was hoping it was being reclaimed from its original perjorative form [03:31]
mircea_popescu minstrel was pejorative ? [03:32]
mircea_popescu wtf is next, woman ? [03:32]
BingoBoingo tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people [03:32]
asciilifeform http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic [03:32]
assbot US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ ) [03:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Everything is pejoative [03:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform again that one / [03:33]
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asciilifeform obligarory preet! [03:33]
mircea_popescu didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ? [03:33]
asciilifeform aha. [03:33]
asciilifeform or rather, '09 [03:33]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015-info/evgeny-buryakov/evgeny-buryakov.htm << him [03:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1o8Fe ) [03:35]
mircea_popescu nono, was another one [03:35]
asciilifeform no that's today's. [03:35]
asciilifeform woman - was called 'chapman' [03:35]
asciilifeform (i forget actual name) [03:35]
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BingoBoingo Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game. [03:36]
asciilifeform 'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, “The fact that I’m sitting with a cookie right now at the … chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.”' [03:36]
mircea_popescu wait so this is a rehash ? [03:37]
asciilifeform ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics. [03:37]
asciilifeform sorta rehash [03:37]
asciilifeform with new faces [03:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol right. so damning, that. [03:38]
mircea_popescu "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!" [03:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35478 @ 0.00039431 = 13.9893 BTC [-] {2} [03:38]
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asciilifeform blockheight=4623, mem=86% full (odd), no kill yet [03:42]
asciilifeform presumably there was some caching in the mix [03:42]
mircea_popescu it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies. [03:42]
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asciilifeform (figure was total ram usage, incl. os, not process per se) [03:42]
asciilifeform and yes it will. [03:42]
* asciilifeform to bed [03:42]
danielpbarron it's only at 5k so far? [03:43]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: bottleneck right now is disk [03:43]
asciilifeform i ran it off sd card [03:43]
asciilifeform will try with actual drive later [03:44]
asciilifeform (the one in the photo) [03:44]
danielpbarron ah [03:44]
BingoBoingo Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami. [03:46]
asciilifeform http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << that one [03:46]
assbot test - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q0xK ) [03:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00038911 = 9.9223 BTC [-] [03:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i so love that story :D [03:46]
BingoBoingo That was a great one. [03:47]
* BingoBoingo also working on a comment to the Godfather Trilema. [03:49]
* BingoBoingo is sure the Godfather is not an Italian work, but a middle western greek tragedy [03:49]
danielpbarron is this the thing? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/ [03:50]
assbot Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1qPXq ) [03:50]
BingoBoingo Hinges on Puzo knowing he was making trash of pulp, but making pulp that was flattering and salable to hollywood [03:51]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Appears so [03:51]
danielpbarron and it needs a hard drive too? [03:52]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron exact model discussed at length in teh logs, search for pogo. [03:52]
BingoBoingo "Sold by National Liquidation" is not an encouraging sign [03:52]
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BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2txty4/greece_taps_antibitcoin_video_game_economist_as/ [03:55]
assbot Greece Taps Anti-Bitcoin Video Game Economist as Finance Minister : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEWBfU ) [03:55]
mircea_popescu murderin dat social moedia ? [03:56]
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BingoBoingo Workin on it. [03:58]
BingoBoingo If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game. [03:59]
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BingoBoingo Mega lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co353z9 [04:02]
assbot KoKansei comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1sLiH ) [04:02]
BingoBoingo Oh we have uno fan who is not a part of SMHOWA https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co30tnn [04:03]
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BingoBoingo *Social Media Holy War [04:03]
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BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2twtc5/greeces_new_finance_minister_not_a_fan_of_btc/co346hw [04:06]
assbot sgornick comments on Greece's new finance minister NOT a fan of BTC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1tq3x ) [04:06]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/cd22a46b683e80889ffce500ce436b3c/tumblr_mndu4jdOJ51sqjeuuo1_500.jpg [04:08]
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BingoBoingo Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0 [04:08]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle. [04:10]
mircea_popescu "why you can't invest with [insert random website]". http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-cant-invest-with-cryptostocks/ [04:11]
assbot Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1u8xM ) [04:11]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese. [04:11]
mircea_popescu yeah i recall them. [04:12]
mircea_popescu " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating." [04:13]
mircea_popescu seems pretty reasonable decimation [04:13]
mircea_popescu oh he left. [04:13]
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* BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx [04:15]
mircea_popescu just aboot. [04:15]
pete_dushenski you should send ars a letter [04:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins`: you actually don't need any to have fun :D << this is how nubs got into silkscreening, too :D [04:16]
pete_dushenski "hey guise, i just noticed something funny and i know you're gonna laugh at this too" [04:16]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least. [04:16]
pete_dushenski if they make it that long [04:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. [04:17]
pete_dushenski why wait? [04:17]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew. [04:17]
pete_dushenski there are creative ways to send letter to make sure they get read [04:18]
pete_dushenski taking down their front page and posting, for one [04:18]
mircea_popescu this proposes they're that important. [04:18]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif [04:19]
pete_dushenski lol really not saying it is [04:20]
pete_dushenski either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief [04:20]
pete_dushenski The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency. [04:20]
pete_dushenski ^o no poor cad [04:20]
mircea_popescu afaik the chinese do not wish this. [04:20]
pete_dushenski because? [04:21]
BingoBoingo Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave. [04:21]
mircea_popescu well because they kinda like having the export and the local currencies separate. [04:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: pretty sure you can pay someone to do that with btc now [04:21]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism. [04:21]
mircea_popescu like, imagine you were married to an idiot, but she got a special scrip you issued, no dollars. [04:22]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction. [04:22]
mircea_popescu suddenly sustainable marriage. [04:22]
pete_dushenski sounds quite reasonable [04:23]
mircea_popescu moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then [04:23]
pete_dushenski why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? [04:23]
mircea_popescu lack of sufficient size. [04:23]
mircea_popescu the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws. [04:23]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant. [04:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, they'll go right into the abyss claiming it never happened. [04:25]
BingoBoingo Maybe as the editorial line. Perhaps 3 can be saved from there. [04:25]
mircea_popescu maybe. [04:25]
mircea_popescu in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin" [04:26]
mircea_popescu instead, it went "something something something derp" [04:26]
pete_dushenski The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then? [04:26]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski ah no, just me being out of date. [04:27]
mircea_popescu apparently they are moving it into position to support the shanghai union. [04:27]
pete_dushenski shanghai union? [04:27]
mircea_popescu that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015" [04:27]
pete_dushenski lol [04:27]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone. [04:28]
mircea_popescu (except japan, korea etc) [04:28]
pete_dushenski o that thing, their baby-imf [04:28]
mircea_popescu yup. [04:28]
pete_dushenski south africa was in that too [04:28]
mircea_popescu yup [04:28]
* BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia [04:28]
mircea_popescu imo nz/au will be the worst hit. [04:29]
mircea_popescu mostly because japan's so thoroughly fucked. [04:29]
pete_dushenski huh interesting. but it seems like aus has plenty of opportunity to pivot to china [04:29]
* pete_dushenski doesn't know diddly about nz economy [04:30]
mircea_popescu nope, none whatsoever. [04:30]
mircea_popescu they're monolinguistic, and stuck i nthe wrong language. [04:30]
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BingoBoingo AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing [04:30]
pete_dushenski ya $19 or w/e is zany [04:30]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the language is a good point [04:31]
mircea_popescu nz (and to a lesser degree aus) are choked by this monopoliust position on real estate [04:31]
mircea_popescu rents insanely high, developments burdensome. [04:31]
pete_dushenski sandstone isn't cheap to work with i gues [04:32]
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BingoBoingo US for its faults at least has faults. Can break into mircostates. [04:32]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: totally [04:32]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [04:33]
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mircea_popescu aptly put [04:33]
pete_dushenski and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that [04:33]
pete_dushenski phillipsjk: heya mr. coliseum [04:33]
phillipsjk OK, I have a 40GB packet capture ready if I get DDOS'ed. [04:33]
BingoBoingo I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much. [04:33]
phillipsjk Hi pete. [04:34]
phillipsjk ..nothing yet. [04:34]
BingoBoingo phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable. [04:34]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: how is poverty dealt with differently in mircostates? [04:35]
phillipsjk Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P [04:35]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes. [04:36]
mircea_popescu "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets [04:36]
mircea_popescu paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs. [04:36]
mircea_popescu Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times. [04:36]
mircea_popescu So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway. [04:36]
mircea_popescu Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this." [04:36]
mircea_popescu ballas on teh same topic [04:36]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: oh so like europeans [04:36]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk. [04:37]
* pete_dushenski digests [04:39]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: New Salem to Springfield. Multiple times a week. [04:39]
mircea_popescu decimation: re: glibc bug << was this an ulrich drepperism? << quite likely. [04:40]
mircea_popescu seems an excellent way to expose a tor server. [04:40]
mircea_popescu having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it. [04:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ? [04:42]
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Imma sleep now, but contemplate 20 miles. Just about as long as one can reasonably walk in a day on flat land. About as far as a group can reasonably defend as a border without submitting to a Kyriarch. [04:43]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: bon soir dude. nice writing today [04:43]
BingoBoingo "The New Salem Experience [04:43]
BingoBoingo Lincoln's New Salem State Historic Site, about 2 miles South of Petersburg and [04:43]
BingoBoingo about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where [04:43]
BingoBoingo Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New [04:43]
BingoBoingo Salem formed a turning point in his career. Although he never owned a home here, [04:43]
BingoBoingo Lincoln was engaged in a variety of activities while he was at New Salem. He [04:43]
BingoBoingo clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster [04:43]
BingoBoingo and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General [04:44]
BingoBoingo Assembly in 1834 and 1836 after an unsuccessful try in 1832." [04:44]
BingoBoingo Lincoln, fucking hobo [04:44]
BingoBoingo Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter. [04:44]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/343e8c4c5eac54cfd8ef70cc3a7eee7e/tumblr_movxtn87Vz1rmcr76o1_500.jpg have some booties. [04:45]
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mircea_popescu "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings. [04:45]
mircea_popescu In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be [04:45]
mircea_popescu ing cylinders." [04:45]
mircea_popescu dude this guy rocks. who's he ? [04:46]
mircea_popescu "ButterNubber" [04:46]
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mats this sounds suspiciously like asciilifeform [04:47]
mats i think we may have a #b-a reader on our hands [04:48]
mircea_popescu i liked teh prose. [04:48]
mircea_popescu course eschew takes an extra h [04:50]
mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986364 [04:51]
assbot Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities. [04:51]
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mircea_popescu aham [04:51]
mircea_popescu and turd is a reasonably rare usage [04:51]
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mircea_popescu !up cardigm [04:53]
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mats nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader. [04:54]
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mircea_popescu TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/ [04:58]
assbot High society pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMu7gJ ) [04:58]
mircea_popescu days b4 bitcoin. [04:58]
pete_dushenski same here, it so happens [05:00]
pete_dushenski spent most of undergrad at the card table [05:00]
adlai infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png [05:00]
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pete_dushenski we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did [05:01]
pete_dushenski about a dozen of us [05:01]
pete_dushenski one guy is on the pro tour now [05:01]
mircea_popescu adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D [05:01]
mircea_popescu did it mostly win on volatility ? [05:01]
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adlai that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23 [05:02]
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mircea_popescu you know most bots fail through over engineering. [05:03]
adlai s/ engineer/fitt/ [05:04]
adlai which is why i'm not using any sort of support vector neural network kernelized perceptron mumbo jumbo [05:05]
mircea_popescu aha [05:05]
adlai "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex" [05:07]
mircea_popescu ahahaha "menimist" [05:07]
mircea_popescu lmao [05:07]
mircea_popescu http://www.mommyish.com/2014/11/11/menimist-twitter-hashtag/2/ [05:08]
assbot If You're Participating In #MenimistTwitter, You're An Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMv8oZ ) [05:08]
mircea_popescu "i am on the internet and can't write out asshole" [05:08]
mircea_popescu incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn". [05:10]
mircea_popescu i'm all in favour of both. "oh but mp, what if being useful only reinforces how we're really objects" [05:11]
mircea_popescu well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public. [05:11]
mircea_popescu it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away. [05:11]
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adlai all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl have loud vocal problems with anybody who so much as looks at a woman breastfeeding in public [05:12]
adlai i guess they just don't take to twitter [05:12]
mircea_popescu are these feminists lactating ? [05:12]
adlai then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D [05:12]
adlai the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate [05:13]
mircea_popescu so tell teh confused girle "mp says you're stupid, go suck a cock like you mean it" [05:13]
adlai how dare you call my mom stupid [05:15]
pete_dushenski !b 2 [05:15]
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pete_dushenski i kinda hope adlai isn't even kidding [05:16]
mircea_popescu wait, your " all self-identifying feminists whom i know irl " == "my mom" ?! [05:16]
adlai let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman" [05:17]
mircea_popescu but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits [05:17]
mircea_popescu has jack shit to do with feminism. [05:17]
adlai empowerment! equality! [05:18]
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mircea_popescu amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young. [05:19]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/560333010491277312 [05:20]
assbot 65% of people use the same password everywhere http://t.co/T0ZnMzEUzR [05:20]
pete_dushenski ^ "Sorta hard to call them "people" then isn't it? " [05:21]
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mircea_popescu https://archive.org/stream/processofgovernm00bent/processofgovernm00bent_djvu.txt [05:43]
mircea_popescu not a bad readd [05:43]
assbot Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu ) [05:43]
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mircea_popescu "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then." [05:45]
mircea_popescu Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of [05:45]
mircea_popescu religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before. [05:45]
mircea_popescu "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?" [05:45]
mircea_popescu I totally don't know, Boardwalk Empire only goes up to 1924 and Mad Men starts 1960. [05:45]
mircea_popescu best write-up of a book ever, too [05:45]
mircea_popescu The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda. [05:46]
mircea_popescu They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t [05:46]
mircea_popescu o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news? [05:46]
mircea_popescu even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade! [05:47]
mats http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/ [05:47]
assbot Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu ) [05:47]
mircea_popescu Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p [05:48]
mircea_popescu unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate [05:48]
mircea_popescu taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!" [05:48]
mircea_popescu mats i might have to resurect my trading accounts just for this. [05:48]
pete_dushenski short all the techs! [05:49]
mircea_popescu later! [05:55]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [15:50]
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mircea_popescu bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [15:51]
mircea_popescu innit weird it uses two types of quotes ?! [15:52]
mircea_popescu guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!" [15:52]
asciilifeform where? in my turd ? [15:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no my bash [15:53]
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TomServo Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday. [15:57]
TomServo Address is also displaying this odd message: [15:57]
TomServo Public Note: Good afternoon! Your help is necessary. My wife has a problem with health, treatment is necessary (we expect a baby). If you have some unnecessary btc or satosh, please, help, we will rejoice any help. [15:57]
mike_c TomServo: what's the address again? [15:58]
TomServo mike_c: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 - I believe. [15:58]
mike_c yeah, that was it. thanks. [15:59]
trinque Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job. [15:59]
trinque I should be wrapped up with irl work earlier today than usual so I think I have some cycles to throw at it. [16:00]
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asciilifeform 130080 [16:04]
mircea_popescu nice! [16:07]
mike_c snsa going to sell the node in a box? [16:07]
mike_c that would be cool [16:07]
mod6 ascii: good deal! [16:08]
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nubbins` would buy [16:12]
mircea_popescu mike_c giveaway more like it. [16:12]
nubbins` slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it [16:12]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you can make stickers. design some :D [16:12]
mike_c the foundation can buy them from snsa and give them away if it wants :) [16:12]
nubbins` once i get dimensions & info i'll design packaging, instructions, whole deal [16:13]
TomServo I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node? [16:13]
TomServo Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful. [16:13]
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mircea_popescu TomServo might be. but ntp sucks and gossipd don't exist yet. [16:14]
mircea_popescu !up berndj [16:15]
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nubbins` straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers [16:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what'd you charge to package an' distribute ? [16:15]
nubbins` look at how people foamed over USB asic chips with no roi [16:15]
nubbins` prob would not distribute [16:16]
nubbins` still have a box full of NSA shirts taking up space as it is 8) [16:16]
nubbins` packaging, w/e you feel like spending. standard rates &c. probably a ways off still [16:17]
nubbins` but something rustic yet simple [16:17]
nubbins` https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3327644/DSC03048.0.jpg [16:17]
nubbins` ^ [16:17]
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mircea_popescu way i was planning to do this was an equivalent of "show me your tits", ie, buy a router, install it, show proof, get your money back. [16:17]
mircea_popescu cheaper, faster and imo more effective. [16:17]
nubbins` so like a "$50 with $50 irc-in rebate" [16:18]
mircea_popescu yup [16:18]
nubbins` nb. [16:18]
nubbins` most people would not take the 50 back [16:18]
mircea_popescu entirely up to them. [16:18]
nubbins` nod [16:18]
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nubbins` could even use blockchain-based proof [16:19]
mircea_popescu but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two [16:19]
nubbins` unit creates a tx unique to itself, pushes to bc as proof of it firing up [16:19]
mircea_popescu anywya, danielpbarron is working on a full length noob guide, online cheaper than on paper [16:19]
mircea_popescu i dunno unit can create txn [16:20]
nubbins` daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live [16:20]
asciilifeform no rng in these machines. literally none. [16:20]
nubbins` bake a private key and 0.0001 btc into it. [16:20]
asciilifeform can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats. [16:21]
nubbins` no doubt [16:21]
nubbins` but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address [16:21]
nubbins` generate offline, w/e [16:21]
nubbins` bit more manageable than making people take pictures, upload to imgur, etc etc [16:22]
mircea_popescu not so crazy about the privacy implications. [16:22]
nubbins` privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home? [16:22]
nubbins` i guess we could include instructions on stripping exif data ;p [16:22]
mircea_popescu that's inconsequential. [16:22]
mircea_popescu understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal. [16:23]
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nubbins` what [16:24]
asciilifeform oomkill/restart cycler works as it ought to. [16:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ayup. [16:27]
asciilifeform (it's simply a 3-line sh) [16:27]
mircea_popescu cunts are made to be seen. browsers are made to not be identified. [16:27]
nubbins` sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node? [16:28]
asciilifeform ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night [16:28]
nubbins` ^ [16:28]
mats http://www.black-swift.ru/ [16:29]
nubbins` this is why i'm having trouble making the leap [16:29]
assbot Black Swift - Black Swift ... ( http://bit.ly/1By4jEZ ) [16:29]
asciilifeform but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad [16:29]
nubbins` you could actually construct the entire transaction before loading it onto the device [16:30]
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nubbins` and just store the tx [16:30]
mircea_popescu mebbe i misunderstand what's being proposed here / [16:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` if whoever buys a unit installs whatever code he wants on it, he can use any address he pleases. [16:30]
mircea_popescu !up bitcoin-market68 [16:30]
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asciilifeform some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap [16:30]
nubbins` some number of idiots will do this no matter what [16:31]
mircea_popescu i somehow doubt it, but anyway. [16:31]
nubbins` some will produce a photo of their running unit, then scrap it [16:31]
nubbins` etc etc [16:31]
nubbins` but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded [16:31]
nubbins` actually retarded [16:31]
nubbins` however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit... [16:32]
asciilifeform i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in [16:32]
mircea_popescu nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code" [16:32]
nubbins` you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period. [16:32]
nubbins` those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop. [16:32]
mircea_popescu the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node" [16:33]
asciilifeform for the motherland (tm) [16:33]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles" [16:33]
trinque are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node? [16:33]
trinque the filesharing thing has always appealed to me [16:33]
trinque some bitcoin-telegraph for torrents thing [16:33]
asciilifeform conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ? [16:33]
mircea_popescu nubbins` how do you pay for 10k units ? [16:33]
nubbins` i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day? [16:34]
mircea_popescu trinque for one thing, you can use it as a proxy for your actual bitcoind [16:34]
mircea_popescu much safer. [16:34]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` so then move to the antiles ? [16:34]
nubbins` gross, too hot [16:34]
mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk [16:34]
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trinque mircea_popescu: yep that's a good thing [16:34]
nubbins` anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified [16:34]
nubbins` i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit [16:35]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you know, schemes to grow rich off rebate deals are kinda kramer-esque [16:35]
mircea_popescu im not shipping anything [16:35]
nubbins` and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent [16:35]
phillipsjk I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units? [16:35]
mircea_popescu that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost [16:35]
mircea_popescu let people just buy thjem themselves. [16:35]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk impossible. [16:35]
nubbins` nod [16:36]
nubbins` or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's [16:36]
mircea_popescu wut ? [16:36]
mircea_popescu i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable. [16:36]
asciilifeform a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure [16:36]
mircea_popescu l;et people buy individually, i dont want to ship out a stock of special-diddled machines [16:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future. [16:37]
nubbins` hm [16:37]
mircea_popescu you know, when the space kept doubling. [16:37]
nubbins` so this is essentially a mouser parts list, and a list of instructions? [16:37]
asciilifeform idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it. [16:37]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yup [16:37]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, I was thinking, simply modify your code to handle a larger block-size. [16:37]
mircea_popescu so far at any rate. [16:37]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static [16:37]
nubbins` o. [16:37]
mircea_popescu problem is the chain won't fit. [16:38]
mats http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-27/nobel-prize-winning-economist-says-it-s-time-to-buy-greek-stocks kek [16:38]
assbot Nobel Winner Shiller Joins Pimco in Saying Buy Greek Assets - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1By5hks ) [16:38]
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mircea_popescu wait, is his NAME shiller or is bloomberg now owned by s.qntr ? [16:38]
nubbins` asciilifeform that's what i pictured too [16:39]
asciilifeform idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc. [16:39]
nubbins` yes, precisely [16:39]
nubbins` luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home [16:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit [16:40]
asciilifeform just... breed them. [16:40]
asciilifeform first unit - use pc, yes, or borrow from phriend. [16:40]
mircea_popescu yeah. [16:40]
mircea_popescu i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it. [16:41]
phillipsjk What size SSD are you thinking of using? [16:41]
asciilifeform why ship them? so many folks already selling them. just need defloration. [16:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform exactly. well nubbins` was proposing a packaging etc. [16:41]
danielpbarron a 256 should last for 5 years if blocks are 1mb [16:41]
asciilifeform no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while [16:41]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk 256 so far. [16:41]
* phillipsjk was planing on buying a new "cheap" SSD every year for his full node. [16:41]
nubbins` minimal, but nonetheless [16:42]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal. [16:42]
asciilifeform if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury [16:43]
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phillipsjk Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem. [16:45]
mircea_popescu you don't plug it into the wall [16:46]
phillipsjk Presumably you can mail our "bitcoin box v2" if you become convinced a larger loack-size is needed. [16:46]
mircea_popescu you plug it into your current modem [16:46]
mircea_popescu nat router, w/e you use [16:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3331 @ 0.00043017 = 1.4329 BTC [-] [16:46]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome. [16:46]
danielpbarron can the pogonode be programmed to automount a usb drive, check for signed raw transactions in a text file, and broadcast them? [16:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a good idea btw. can it do that much ? [16:47]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ? [16:47]
mircea_popescu yay. defo. [16:47]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate. [16:47]
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mircea_popescu !up macklemores_toup [16:48]
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mircea_popescu dude i like talking things through in here, it's like a mental lens. [16:48]
danielpbarron the user might not have an online computer to broadcast from, but does have an offline signing machine [16:48]
mircea_popescu just paper wallets, no node whatsoever ?! [16:49]
phillipsjk MIcrosoft will want a cut is you use vfat :P [16:50]
phillipsjk *if [16:50]
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mircea_popescu microsoft is not in the wot. [16:50]
phillipsjk Unfortunately Mircosoft deliberately broke UDF on hard-drives AKA USB sticks. [16:51]
mircea_popescu adaptec's private turd ? [16:51]
trinque why use vfat in the first place? [16:52]
phillipsjk They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works) [16:52]
phillipsjk trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway. [16:54]
mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [16:54]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl dunno what scoopbot's issue is ? [16:54]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:54]
trinque phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did. [16:54]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/apple-first-greatest-biggest-etc/ [16:55]
assbot Apple : first greatest biggest etc. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsgd2W ) [16:55]
asciilifeform why are we discussing weird microshit-proprietary filesystems ? [16:56]
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mircea_popescu part of aculturation process for noobs ? [16:56]
* phillipsjk has a habit of going on tangents. [16:56]
phillipsjk Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.) [16:58]
mircea_popescu aha [16:58]
asciilifeform and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially [16:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine [16:59]
mike_c it should be irrelevant [16:59]
lobbes no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right? [16:59]
mircea_popescu but it's a good contact. "WAIT LINUX ALLOWS BITCOIN TO RUN ON ROUTER?!?!?!?!" [16:59]
mike_c yeah. it will be cool. [16:59]
lobbes mircea_popescu: heh, this will be my first practical contact [16:59]
asciilifeform hell knows. incidentally, who's for putting root pw (unique) on a scratch-off stickey on bottom. or, alternatively, send to requester by gpg [17:00]
mircea_popescu mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux" [17:00]
lobbes mircea_popescu: gotta learn sometime [17:00]
mike_c hehe [17:00]
mircea_popescu then in a decade they start with the "TIME TO RUN ALF OUT OF THIS FREEDOM MOVEMENT" [17:00]
mircea_popescu and we can have a private chuckle [17:00]
trinque lol [17:00]
mircea_popescu see it's working already. [17:00]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US) [17:00]
asciilifeform i also admit i have a netbsd variant (experimental) for this machine [17:01]
mircea_popescu we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues. [17:01]
phillipsjk *patents [17:01]
mircea_popescu the chuckflation. [17:01]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone. [17:02]
phillipsjk Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing. [17:02]
mircea_popescu there you go. [17:02]
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mircea_popescu not in the wot = no rights. [17:02]
nubbins` incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced [17:02]
nubbins` backed up til at least april right now [17:02]
phillipsjk The Wot is not Bitcoin though. [17:03]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ << see thar [17:03]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd ) [17:03]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform so can we get a block count and runtime count so far ? [17:04]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ? [17:07]
trinque "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring. [17:09]
BingoBoingo or should someone aspiring to qntra publishing do it instead ? << leaning towards this, but if interest isn't expressed soon I'll take a break from current writing to do it quickly. [17:12]
asciilifeform 135461; (running from zero on new disk since first i logged in today. see log.) 2 oomkills so far [17:13]
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asciilifeform appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?) [17:20]
asciilifeform now unwedged. go figure. [17:21]
davout ohai [17:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3100 @ 0.00093545 = 2.8999 BTC [-] {13} [17:23]
davout the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date [17:24]
davout curious to see how long/how many oomkills it'll take to catch up [17:24]
asciilifeform davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero. [17:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform time / [17:26]
mircea_popescu davout i'd say more like 3ish % but yeah [17:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way. [17:26]
mircea_popescu the building chain process is in fact a decent way to advertise the node. [17:27]
asciilifeform ~4 hrs [17:27]
mircea_popescu http://36.media.tumblr.com/e37d779218ba44f713254eb00a83799a/tumblr_mono8s5yEL1rjqog4o1_500.jpg [17:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tstMzm ) [17:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wait, it got 135k blocks in 4 hours ?! [17:28]
asciilifeform first 135k [17:28]
mod6 took mine like 12 hours to get that many. [17:28]
mod6 i had 1 CPU/128Mb ram [17:28]
asciilifeform it's on a fat pipe. and presumably got lucky with seed [17:29]
mod6 ah. [17:29]
mircea_popescu impressive! [17:29]
davout so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly [17:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but wait, hasn't it been running since yest ? [17:29]
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mircea_popescu davout something like that. danielpbarron is ready to write a 101 guide [17:29]
PeterL mircea_popescu: scoopbot is running, is it not posting new posts? [17:29]
mircea_popescu PeterL well it apparently missed one, and didn't respond to fetch [17:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995717 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995729 [17:30]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now. [17:30]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 16:20:41; asciilifeform: running it on 'sandisk' 60gB ssd now. [17:30]
mircea_popescu ah started over. kay. [17:30]
davout methinks setting up might not be trivial if one must also import a pre-loaded chain [17:30]
mircea_popescu well, i was ready to pronounce it victorious if it did more than 10k blocks / 24 hours, so. [17:30]
mircea_popescu one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain [17:31]
asciilifeform davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995906 [17:31]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it. [17:31]
davout "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting [17:31]
mircea_popescu apparently its ~ 100 hours or so [17:32]
asciilifeform for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart [17:32]
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mircea_popescu ie, better than bitcoind for most of its history. [17:32]
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davout if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible [17:32]
mircea_popescu even if it takes a month, it's perfectly fine. [17:33]
davout also http://cointelegraph.com/news/113383/amsterdam-bitcoin-hackathon-winner-discovers-way-to-remove-confirmations <<< top kek [17:34]
assbot Amsterdam Bitcoin Hackathon Winner Discovers Way To Remove Confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBviKw ) [17:34]
davout "you just need to deposit some collateral" [17:34]
mircea_popescu sooo... any people looking to start a journalistic career ? [17:34]
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mircea_popescu ". This is less than ideal, especially for some kinds of digital products – a Netflix-type of service that sells movies on demand, for instance." [17:35]
mircea_popescu these people are complete fucking idiots. [17:35]
mircea_popescu so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch [17:35]
mircea_popescu half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF [17:35]
mircea_popescu omfg, i saw half a movie!!1 [17:35]
nubbins` joke's on them!!!111 [17:35]
mircea_popescu it's almost as if twitter has formatted an entire generation to not fucking thing. [17:35]
asciilifeform 'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314 [17:35]
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mircea_popescu think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory. [17:36]
nubbins` well y'know, give everyone the internet... [17:36]
mircea_popescu "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. " [17:37]
mircea_popescu and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius' [17:37]
mircea_popescu srsly, "people who had no idea made this" ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first. [17:37]
mircea_popescu o wait. the romantic genius doesn't have a father. [17:38]
mircea_popescu he has tuberculosis. [17:38]
davout "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult. [17:38]
mircea_popescu riiiight. [17:39]
mircea_popescu fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething. [17:39]
nubbins` alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router? [17:40]
asciilifeform not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script. [17:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert. [17:41]
nubbins` k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well [17:41]
mircea_popescu that same unit can also be used to replicate itself, with crossover cable [17:41]
mircea_popescu but this is a perk./ [17:41]
nubbins` a. [17:41]
* EPiSKiNG- needs BTC. Anyone need USD? [17:42]
nubbins` fuck, this place really needs a daily summary [17:42]
mircea_popescu !gettrust EPiSKiNG- [17:42]
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asciilifeform nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net [17:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah lol. i recall fluffypony was lookjing for someone to do that. hard work, tough bread. [17:44]
davout asciilifeform: i didn't get that part, it's pretty fucking cool [17:44]
fluffypony I thought I had someone, he bailed [17:44]
fluffypony (and that was with agreement to pay) [17:45]
nubbins` oh, i missed that as well. [17:45]
nubbins` what's the make/model? [17:45]
mircea_popescu davout this thing, started as a casual why not, turned into a fountain of cool. nuts. [17:45]
mircea_popescu fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ? [17:45]
fluffypony quite [17:45]
mircea_popescu we need slave labour damnit. [17:45]
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asciilifeform davout: see log: [17:46]
asciilifeform !s pogoplug [17:46]
assbot 16 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug [17:46]
asciilifeform cheap (qty. 1, ~12 usd sans sata, 18 - with) box sold originally for nas and some 'cloud' bullshit [17:47]
mircea_popescu nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop [17:47]
nubbins` nod [17:47]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/b8746a519151b0d72d59f40f4e78ba4c/tumblr_mldvclICsu1qfrklho1_500.jpg << teh coy behaviour. [17:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsD4v8 ) [17:47]
nubbins` don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho [17:47]
mircea_popescu notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine. [17:48]
asciilifeform actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes [17:48]
mircea_popescu nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken. [17:48]
nubbins` remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them. [17:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units. [17:48]
nubbins` asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted [17:49]
asciilifeform usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd. [17:49]
mircea_popescu shit, the usb errupters are a good idea. [17:49]
nubbins` asciilifeform true [17:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform box takes usb stick doesnt it ? [17:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ? [17:50]
asciilifeform they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log) [17:50]
nubbins` couldn't tell ya [17:50]
mircea_popescu yeh right you are asciilifeform [17:50]
nubbins` but y'know. this is just adding whistles [17:50]
mircea_popescu pretty much yeah [17:50]
nubbins` smallest capable size is what you want [17:50]
nubbins` if it can be hidden behind something, much more likely to be set up and left running [17:51]
nubbins` my router's stuffed behind my stereo in a jumble of wires, for example [17:52]
nubbins` i don't have room for a big ol' box [17:52]
asciilifeform nubbins: http://imgur.com/mFytet5 << size & shape [17:54]
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nubbins` nb [17:55]
nubbins` that's the regular lid on the right? [17:55]
davout asciilifeform: http://www.amazon.com/Pogoplug-Series-4-Backup-Device/dp/B006I5MKZY amirite [17:57]
assbot Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBz3zE ) [17:57]
nubbins` dat price [17:58]
asciilifeform nubbins: yes, it [17:58]
nubbins` and this is the thing you've been testing it on [17:59]
* nubbins` blinks, purchases [17:59]
asciilifeform aha [17:59]
davout asciilifeform: i'm up to date logwise, but it's not really clear to me if i should get some sort of chord, or provision separate sd card/storage [18:00]
davout in addition to the thing itself [18:00]
asciilifeform davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil [18:01]
asciilifeform davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs) [18:02]
davout ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough? [18:02]
asciilifeform davout: sd is slow as fuck [18:03]
mircea_popescu and wear prob lems [18:03]
mircea_popescu but it may work. [18:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running [18:03]
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davout ok, if its performance is storage-speed bound i should get a disk with it [18:04]
asciilifeform who doesn't have a bag of old laptop drives lying around ? [18:04]
mircea_popescu most people lol [18:04]
davout lol [18:04]
davout "No storage limits and no additional fees when using your own external hard drive" <<< lol, good to know [18:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, slower. obviously if a block takes less thna 10 minutes it's still perfectly usable. [18:05]
asciilifeform at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..) [18:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fun fact : 50% of america dreams of but doesn't own and can't afford a laptop. [18:05]
asciilifeform the sd will croak reasonably quickly. [18:05]
mircea_popescu this is not going into items like, india, chad, etc. [18:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've seen hobos with laptop. not uncommon. [18:06]
mircea_popescu where you live. [18:06]
davout so sd card performance would be acceptable if blockchain pre-loaded [18:06]
mircea_popescu davout untested but conceivably. [18:06]
davout asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos [18:06]
mircea_popescu ^ aptly put. [18:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from speaking with some, learned that actual hobos, traditional. but with laptop, because why not? none were born hobo [18:07]
mircea_popescu women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks. [18:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet. [18:08]
asciilifeform fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him? [18:08]
mircea_popescu a web entrepreneur [18:08]
nubbins` would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there [18:08]
mircea_popescu at least in my experience. [18:08]
asciilifeform nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks. [18:09]
nubbins` oh, usb, that's right. jeez. [18:09]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:09]
nubbins` one of those tiny little nub (!) ones [18:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51449 @ 0.00043056 = 22.1519 BTC [+] {2} [18:09]
mircea_popescu even an 8gb should do well [18:09]
mircea_popescu i dunno if you can even buy them anymore [18:09]
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asciilifeform wai wat?! 8g? how [18:10]
mircea_popescu and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives [18:10]
nubbins` 8gb usb nub and wifi nub, don't even need to plug it into router. just wall. [18:10]
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asciilifeform nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led) [18:10]
mircea_popescu nubbins` wifi means plugged into router ;) [18:10]
nubbins` HEH [18:11]
nubbins` for some defs of plug! [18:11]
mircea_popescu for all of em lol. this guy has no wifi. [18:11]
nubbins` too true though. even WPS setup is too much of a burden at this point [18:11]
davout how does the blockchain fit in 8gb? [18:11]
nubbins` zip it, duh [18:12]
nubbins` ;D [18:12]
mircea_popescu oh that's right. [18:12]
mircea_popescu FINE! [18:12]
nubbins` anyway [18:12]
mircea_popescu i was here in an earlier time, a happier time [18:12]
nubbins` usb sticks are ~$1/gb [18:12]
nubbins` suppose it's a 64 [18:12]
nubbins` still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all [18:12]
davout $ du -sh blocks --> 34G [18:12]
mircea_popescu 28gb atm [18:13]
davout the sd card or usb stick is gonna end up costing more than the actual device [18:13]
davout :D [18:13]
mircea_popescu ayup. [18:13]
mircea_popescu because you know, gavin is right and storage is free. [18:13]
mircea_popescu (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin") [18:14]
davout it's ok, whatever usb stick i buy self-replicates every year [18:14]
davout OKEY DOKEY [18:14]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ? [18:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:14]
nubbins` wrong sp [18:15]
mircea_popescu wtf is it ? [18:15]
nubbins` i uh. [18:15]
nubbins` andreesen? [18:15]
nubbins` ;;google usgavin bitcoin [18:15]
gribble How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: ; Bitcoin - Twitter: ; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [18:15]
nubbins` andresen [18:15]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ? [18:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:15]
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mircea_popescu i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something, [18:16]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, here's a rough draft of the blackphone thing http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4q9wt0yr [18:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBC8zq ) [18:16]
mircea_popescu maybe he can sell us some $0.5 / gb sticks. [18:16]
mircea_popescu to quote deedee, "do with your magic science or something!" [18:16]
nubbins` heh [18:17]
nubbins` in fairness, give it a year [18:17]
nubbins` and they prolly will be. [18:17]
BingoBoingo thanks danielpbarron [18:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, tell you what : http://log.b-a.link/?date=28-01-2015#996176 [18:18]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 21:06:09; mircea_popescu: even an 8gb should do well [18:18]
nubbins` i actually semi-regularly purchase sub-$1/gb sticks as a matter of principle [18:18]
mircea_popescu that WAS given a coupla years, now it's 36 gb. [18:18]
nubbins` 2 troo [18:18]
mircea_popescu and if you do a leetal math, full 1mb blocks... [18:18]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 24 * 6 * 365 * 1024**2 [18:19]
gribble 55113154560 [18:19]
nubbins` why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever! [18:19]
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mircea_popescu 55gb a year as we are. [18:19]
asciilifeform oomkill, 139007 [18:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?! [18:20]
mats ;;bc,stats [18:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 340906 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1813 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47404309835.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.85585 [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [18:20]
mircea_popescu to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!" [18:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00043899 = 7.5506 BTC [+] [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll patch it as soon as i get a working patcher (see last night's thread) [18:21]
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mircea_popescu kk [18:21]
asciilifeform incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ? [18:22]
mats https://soundcloud.com/freedomfry/freedom-fry-shaky-ground-hey-na-na-na [18:23]
assbot Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy ) [18:23]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform dun think so. [18:23]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug? [18:23]
danielpbarron isn't that this? -> "A memory corruption vulnerability allowed decryption of private messages to any attacker with the victim's user ID or phone number." [18:25]
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BingoBoingo Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned. [18:26]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound. [18:27]
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mod6 asciilifeform: i havent. no clue how to ... 'specially since your email got eaten. and beyond that now all of our testing environments are kaput [18:28]
mod6 which is another major problem for ben & i [18:28]
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mircea_popescu jurov you around ? [18:29]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, sounds good [18:29]
TomServo RE: pogonode, according to an amazon customer "Just tried a 64gb sdxc and no joy. 32gb sdhc OK" if anyone was still considering SD. [18:30]
danielpbarron good point; that does make it sound especially bad [18:30]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/ [18:33]
assbot BlackPhone Less Opaque Than Promised | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBEOgE ) [18:33]
asciilifeform sd is just a bitch [18:33]
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xanthyos :) [18:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00043011 = 9.6254 BTC [-] [18:37]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2015/01/blackphone-less-opaque-than-promised/ [18:38]
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mircea_popescu jurov apparerntly there's some issues with the mailing list [18:42]
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jurov i know, explained in the morning [18:42]
jurov but was afk, only now i got gpg to refresh keys so that i can resubmit alf's email [18:43]
asciilifeform any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator? [18:45]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-01-2015#995721 [18:45]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel [18:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not advanced enough to say. [18:49]
mircea_popescu !up t4nk [18:49]
-assbot- You voiced t4nk for 30 minutes. [18:49]
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asciilifeform it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also... [18:50]
mircea_popescu this is a point huh [18:52]
asciilifeform not essential piece, but should be tried, unless somebody plugs leak soon [18:53]
asciilifeform as it is, os kills it, and it dies 'with full pants' [18:53]
jurov http://btc.yt/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html okay it's here [18:53]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXgLV ) [18:53]
davout asciilifeform: i already got db corrupted a buncha times when not cleanly terminating bitcoind [18:53]
asciilifeform ty jurov! [18:54]
jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :( [18:54]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15UXoLr ) [18:54]
asciilifeform davout: hence this idea. it did not come from empty space. [18:54]
mod6 ah cool, i see it now [18:54]
davout asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-) [18:55]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fun-with-pairs-of-girls/ [19:09]
mircea_popescu worx now. [19:10]
mircea_popescu scoopbot you old perv [19:10]
asciilifeform mod6: cat: gpgout.log: No such file or directory [19:12]
asciilifeform because, i think, already had keys [19:13]
* assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski [19:13]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter [19:16]
pete_dushenski it seems to me that it just was [19:16]
pete_dushenski just as it just is [19:17]
pete_dushenski just as bitcoin will itself underpin a large global economy. [19:17]
asciilifeform cat: chicken.sig.log: No such file or directory [19:17]
pete_dushenski maybe it wants to, maybe it doesn't, but it will be [19:17]
asciilifeform none of the gpg logs end up written [19:18]
mod6 are you using the one from teh email or the one from the website? [19:18]
asciilifeform site [19:18]
mod6 it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory. [19:18]
mod6 clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE [19:19]
asciilifeform it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears [19:19]
mod6 Should still end up with "Good Signature" [19:19]
mircea_popescu hm [19:19]
* assbot removes voice from t4nk [19:19]
asciilifeform the gpg logs never happen. [19:20]
mod6 *shrug*, works for me i guess [19:21]
mircea_popescu o.O [19:21]
mircea_popescu what's this, the magic website ?! [19:21]
mod6 I'll take it down. [19:21]
mod6 YOu'll just have to patch it by hand. [19:21]
mircea_popescu but i mean... [19:22]
nubbins` you mean, we nice [19:22]
nubbins` ;/ [19:22]
mod6 done [19:22]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [19:23]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1WAZCWV.txt ) [19:23]
pete_dushenski Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed [19:25]
asciilifeform !b 1 [19:27]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XE4HJ7.txt ) [19:28]
mircea_popescu doh. [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00043266 = 17.1766 BTC [+] {2} [19:31]
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asciilifeform 144255 block [19:33]
mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk [19:40]
-assbot- You voiced phillipsjk for 30 minutes. [19:40]
* assbot gives voice to phillipsjk [19:40]
mircea_popescu get a wot already eh. [19:40]
phillipsjk What is the minimum? [19:40]
mircea_popescu for what ? [19:40]
phillipsjk the bot voicing me [19:40]
pete_dushenski l2 [19:41]
mircea_popescu 1 [19:41]
danielpbarron the minimum is typing the command; he's already in assbot's l2 [19:41]
mircea_popescu ah ok [19:41]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot phillipsjk [19:41]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/phillipsjk | http://w.b-a.link/user/phillipsjk [19:41]
mircea_popescu yeah you pm assbot !up and verify it. [19:41]
phillipsjk I guess asking the bot the first time did not work becuase... DDOS [19:42]
mircea_popescu possibru [19:42]
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mats http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/kobane-beginning-isil-201512782724826681.html [19:54]
assbot Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M ) [19:54]
mats kurds took kobane. should be interesting to see if IS gets crushed... but i doubt it [19:55]
phillipsjk is there a way to check if assbot has me authed now? (it gave no acknowledgment) [20:03]
BingoBoingo !down phillipsjk [20:03]
* assbot removes voice from phillipsjk [20:03]
BingoBoingo !up phillipsjk [20:04]
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mod6 asciilifeform: see pm, maybe you can help me debug that thing [20:04]
BingoBoingo phillipsjk: Did you decode and reply with !v decryptedstring? [20:04]
jurov mod6 i'm on it, too [20:04]
mod6 thanks jurov [20:05]
phillipsjk no, I just gave it the decrypted string [20:05]
BingoBoingo phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it. [20:07]
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mircea_popescu well done. [20:09]
davout mazeltov [20:09]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/50272c1a00a7d304816b7cd0f7aebedf/tumblr_mnxxa0siTe1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg << who said teh ghetto's a dangerous place ? [20:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1tttPe1 ) [20:10]
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jurov is there a command to unescape clearsigned text? [20:12]
jurov in the script there are plenty of lines starting with - [20:12]
jurov that got mangled [20:13]
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davout jurov: gpg -d would do that [20:14]
jurov mod6 ^ [20:14]
jurov got it working [20:14]
davout iirc that'll output unescaped text to stdout and signature verification result to stderr [20:14]
mats http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now. [20:15]
assbot The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o ) [20:15]
mircea_popescu btw, if anyone is stuck waiting for a ghost fix or w/e, not bakcported yet into your distro : [20:15]
mircea_popescu size_needed = (sizeof (*host_addr) [20:15]
mircea_popescu - + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) + strlen (name) + 1); [20:15]
mircea_popescu + + sizeof (*h_addr_ptrs) [20:15]
mircea_popescu + + sizeof (*h_alias_ptr) + strlen (name) + 1); [20:15]
mircea_popescu pretty fucking lulzy too. [20:16]
mod6 o/ [20:16]
mod6 thanks mp [20:16]
mircea_popescu that's basically it, recompile. [20:16]
mod6 jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right? [20:16]
jurov mod6 that's about script not working [20:17]
mod6 oh. weird. [20:17]
mod6 OH [20:18]
mod6 ok.. yes. [20:18]
mod6 i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines. [20:18]
mod6 the one that I had linked on the webpage, needs a bit of debugging i think. [20:19]
jurov but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested [20:19]
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jurov and won't accept relative paths for homedir [20:19]
mod6 now that is bizzare [20:20]
jurov and if pointed to empty homedit, it won't import keys [20:20]
jurov *homedir [20:20]
mod6 so you're saying that this doesn't work: gpg --logger-file alert-snip.sig.log --homedir .gnupg [20:20]
mod6 (for instance) [20:20]
mod6 it's gotta be a versioning problem. [20:20]
mod6 lemme see what I was using... [20:20]
mod6 root@ip-172-31-10-219:~# gpg --version [20:21]
mod6 gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10 [20:21]
mod6 and [20:21]
jurov gpg --logger-file gpgout.log --import pubkeys/*.asc << this line [20:21]
mod6 root@debian-test:/home/mod6# gpg --version [20:22]
mod6 gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.10 [20:22]
mod6 huh. [20:22]
jurov gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.25 << such spawn of evil [20:22]
mod6 jurov: if you don't mind, what version of gpg are you using [20:22]
mod6 ahh, ok [20:22]
mod6 yeah, i think this is an old school thing [20:23]
* mod6 looks [20:23]
jurov anyway, gonna post my script [20:23]
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mod6 deeeerp [20:28]
mod6 --log-file file [20:28]
mod6 --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2. [20:28]
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mats http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/01/greek-pm-longer-submit-eu-150128130451453.html [20:33]
assbot Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql ) [20:34]
mats hohoho [20:34]
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mats "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity" [20:34]
mod6 gotta figure out something with this --homedir option [20:35]
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nubbins` http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan [20:37]
assbot American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr ) [20:37]
mod6 that one looks to be an option in both branches... so i dunno [20:38]
mod6 i guess one can set an env var "GNUPGHOME" also [20:38]
mod6 ill try some different things a bit later. bbiab [20:38]
nubbins` this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there [20:38]
nubbins` and dares to mention "innovative agricultural production" as one of his goals [20:38]
nubbins` i have no sides [20:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00043539 = 9.4697 BTC [+] [20:40]
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jurov mod6 script fix sent [20:41]
mats nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok [20:41]
nubbins` if nobody was burning your olive groves to build illegal settlements, you'd be doing ok too [20:42]
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jurov mod6, also it left all qt-related files in [20:48]
* jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97750 @ 0.00042924 = 41.9582 BTC [-] {2} [21:03]
mircea_popescu Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh. [21:04]
mircea_popescu speaking of al jazeera usa - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html tlp on point as usual. [21:05]
assbot The Last Psychiatrist: How Does The Shutdown Relate To Me? ... ( http://bit.ly/15Ryb3C ) [21:05]
mircea_popescu "Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors." [21:07]
mircea_popescu humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit [21:07]
mircea_popescu typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker. [21:08]
mircea_popescu for the past... uh i dunno, 2k years ? pretty much the mode [21:08]
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mircea_popescu souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved." [21:09]
mircea_popescu in other news, teh house with a view : http://40.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_miu8wxWBEe1rhlfrbo1_500.jpg [21:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/15RAEem ) [21:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56908 @ 0.00043576 = 24.7982 BTC [+] {3} [21:14]
jurov ...aaaannnd it's here: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?v=0.5.3.1 [21:15]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/15RBrMv ) [21:15]
mircea_popescu The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit. [21:18]
mircea_popescu You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house. [21:18]
mircea_popescu This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything. [21:18]
mircea_popescu holy shit i love this guy., [21:19]
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mats 16-12-2014 01:38:56 here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise [21:23]
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mats y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good. [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38531 @ 0.00043792 = 16.8735 BTC [+] {2} [21:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00042709 = 33.676 BTC [-] {3} [21:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00042546 = 14.8911 BTC [-] {3} [21:34]
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mod6 <+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em [21:38]
mod6 plz [21:38]
jurov i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6) [21:39]
mod6 jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway. [21:39]
jurov yes, i sent it [21:40]
mod6 jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time [21:40]
jurov i may not be always available, don't wait for me [21:41]
mod6 lol, im pretty dumb [21:41]
mod6 ugh, im disgusted right now [21:41]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/BXw5RxQ.gifv utility raven [21:44]
assbot Crow feeding a cat & dog. ... ( http://bit.ly/15RK9dA ) [21:45]
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mod6 jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website. [21:47]
mod6 very much appreciated. [21:47]
mod6 I ran it, but got an error here: [21:51]
mod6 ./build_0_0_5_ec263eed1e1bcba06568a86bf0817235aa42b4bb.sh: 157: Syntax error: Bad fd number [21:51]
mod6 gpg --homedir $HOME/.gnupg -k >& /dev/null [21:52]
jurov interesting, your shell doesn't supprt >& [21:54]
mod6 did i mention that I hate shell scripts :) [21:54]
mod6 i should hvae wrote it in perl. [21:55]
mod6 that's my bad [21:55]
jurov apparently it should be &> [21:55]
mod6 i dunno what i was thinking [21:55]
jurov when you change it works? [21:56]
* mod6 is testing it [21:58]
mod6 seems to be. i'll post the typescript [21:59]
jurov &> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh). [21:59]
gribble Error: ">" is not a valid command. [21:59]
jurov In a portable shell script (and if you don't need portability, why are you writing a shell script?), use > file 2>&1 only [21:59]
jurov it's unix wars all again [22:00]
jurov bye [22:02]
mod6 http://dpaste.com/20J4G50 [22:03]
assbot dpaste: 20J4G50 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4HKIr ) [22:03]
mod6 my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet. [22:04]
mod6 will look [22:04]
mod6 to find out, i'll comment out line 167 and run again [22:06]
mod6 huh. i dunno [22:07]
mod6 keys were imported tho [22:07]
mod6 i'll resend to the list with the updates. [22:07]
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mod6 ok all set, thanks again jurov. [22:37]
mod6 !rated jurov [22:37]
assbot You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer. [22:37]
mod6 !rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo [22:38]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/cf7dfdb5e1f0ba6f [22:38]
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BingoBoingo http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/3/3/4/364334_v1.jpg [22:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1z4Nyls ) [22:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16811 @ 0.00042999 = 7.2286 BTC [+] [22:39]
mod6 !v assbot:mod6.rate.jurov.3:3a2d0d3341af24537f819d7ae5ec297a3d704c8fd3e70b7ddfc18b8456389649 [22:39]
assbot Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 3 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo [22:39]
mod6 !rated decimation [22:40]
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mod6 !rated danielpbarron [22:40]
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asciilifeform 158125 [22:41]
mod6 !rate decimation 1 Tested something for me quick [22:41]
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mod6 nice asciilifeform [22:41]
asciilifeform mod6: sorry missed your message. was in a car. [22:42]
asciilifeform ever got the thing to work ? [22:42]
mod6 no worries. yeah. jurov did some magic i wouldn't have ever figured out. [22:42]
asciilifeform neato [22:42]
mod6 sorry, was super busy earlier. been getting ym head kicked in this week. [22:43]
asciilifeform is there a link to the latest ? [22:43]
mod6 yeah, its on the website [22:43]
mod6 one sec [22:43]
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assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for danielpbarron with note: Tested something for me quick [22:44]
mod6 !rated asciilifeform [22:44]
assbot You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs. [22:44]
mod6 !rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs [22:45]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:45]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/47cd15f35bef558b [22:45]
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mod6 !v assbot:mod6.rate.asciilifeform.2:a2bf41f16c31b6d7481d0c931e1fc204358af2edbbc1240286b8c127f8e80b11 [22:45]
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mod6 who'd i miss? [22:46]
asciilifeform cut: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory [22:47]
asciilifeform find: `./bitcoin-0.5.3.1': No such file or directory [22:47]
asciilifeform cat: ./chicken/bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest: No such file or directory [22:47]
asciilifeform Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match [22:47]
asciilifeform the file count from the manifest. [22:47]
asciilifeform post-pruning: 1 [22:47]
asciilifeform manifest: 0 [22:47]
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mod6 lol [22:50]
mod6 omg [22:50]
mod6 ok. just hang tight, i'll just have to rewrite this thing in perl. [22:50]
mod6 not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably. [22:51]
mod6 right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers [22:51]
mod6 and then I gotta start writing the eom docs. [22:52]
asciilifeform 5 oomkills today. [22:52]
mod6 after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now.. [22:52]
mod6 sorry for the trouble here. [22:52]
asciilifeform mod6: might have to patch by hand for now. [22:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16845 @ 0.00043147 = 7.2681 BTC [+] [22:54]
mod6 ok, well, the latest build guide will help you. [22:54]
asciilifeform mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time [22:54]
mod6 should be version 0.0.4 [22:54]
mod6 anyway, i'll cross my fingers that you can get through it. [22:54]
mod6 it's pretty easy. [22:54]
asciilifeform mats: point is, proposed protocol is not a circuit at all, but an arbitrarily delay-tolerant 'mailboxer.' [22:55]
mod6 just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order. [22:55]
mats ok [22:55]
mod6 let me see what I can do about a perl script quick. [22:55]
mod6 maybe i can whip something out [22:55]
asciilifeform mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node) [22:55]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-105.pdf << mega-lol [22:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAefZU ) [22:58]
asciilifeform reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing. [22:59]
asciilifeform 'With respect to Defendant’s inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendant’s counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc [23:00]
asciilifeform e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendant’s copy of the Declaration of Independe [23:00]
asciilifeform nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.' [23:00]
asciilifeform ^^^^^^^ [23:00]
mats http://www.naftemporiki.gr/finance/athexTreemap << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan [23:00]
assbot Χάρτης της αγοράς (Heatmap) | Χρηματιστήριο Αθηνών | naftemporiki.gr [23:00]
asciilifeform ^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings. [23:00]
asciilifeform (theirs - or ours - whichever comes first) [23:01]
mike_c is this some kind of stupid joke? debian takes 8 DVD's to install? [23:04]
mike_c oh, plus two update dvd's. an even 10 is nice i guess. [23:04]
asciilifeform wat [23:04]
mike_c http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd/ [23:05]
assbot Index of /cdimage/archive/6.0.10/amd64/iso-dvd ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAg4WO ) [23:05]
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mike_c whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. [23:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00042866 = 9.0019 BTC [-] {2} [23:07]
trinque mike_c: no, that's including loads of packages [23:08]
trinque there's a mini install iso that's on the order of megs [23:08]
mike_c and it works? the other 40 gigs is just crap? [23:08]
asciilifeform mike_c: offline installables, for when you're flying to alpha centauri or whatnot [23:09]
trinque its some subset of or the whole apt collection [23:09]
mike_c interesting. ok. i guess i'll give it a whirl. [23:09]
* BingoBoingo will never understand Debian sanely assuming someone assuming someone may want it for space travel, while also thinking someone would take systemd onto a spaceship [23:10]
asciilifeform i have no idea for what [23:10]
asciilifeform it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud [23:10]
asciilifeform who here used ftp.cdrom.com ? [23:10]
trinque airdropped into africa! [23:10]
asciilifeform was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk [23:11]
asciilifeform (they conveniently packaged it) [23:11]
asciilifeform aka 'walnut creek cdrom.' [23:12]
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asciilifeform https://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/history.html [23:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yAi01r ) [23:12]
* BingoBoingo remembers browing linuxiso.??? [23:12]
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asciilifeform jurov: can that lxr thing crap out html for offline viewing by any chance ? [23:14]
mircea_popescu !up GodHatesFigs [23:23]
-assbot- You voiced GodHatesFigs for 30 minutes. [23:23]
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asciilifeform 162160 [23:38]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [23:53]
gribble Current Blocks: 340937 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 1782 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 46118990047.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.74165 [23:53]
mircea_popescu almsot there eh ? :D [23:53]
asciilifeform oomkill every half hour or so [23:53]
asciilifeform might need to plug that leak before these sail. [23:53]
asciilifeform it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense [23:54]
asciilifeform http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.5.3.1#1466 << here [23:54]
assbot Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMgOR ) [23:54]
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asciilifeform (and previous threads. but now with nice jurov concordance) [23:54]
mircea_popescu mike_c: whatever. so much for learning something new today. back to a more familiar distro. << debian past sarge suffers from bitcoin past 0.5 problem [23:54]
mircea_popescu i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway [23:54]
asciilifeform the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed. [23:54]
mircea_popescu yeah that's likely it. [23:55]
asciilifeform provably it. [23:55]
asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1T8RSCJ [23:55]
assbot dpaste: 1T8RSCJ: shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1ByMm96 ) [23:55]
asciilifeform (threw that here a while ago) [23:55]
asciilifeform did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ? [23:56]
thestringpuller none of them? [23:56]
mircea_popescu it never existed. [23:56]
thestringpuller d00d its fucking MSVC code [23:56]
asciilifeform thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so [23:56]
thestringpuller da fuck you expect? [23:56]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: wat [23:57]
thestringpuller v 0.1 was written with Visual C++ [23:57]
asciilifeform ah that [23:57]
mircea_popescu it was to be fixed "eventually". power rangers still not got around to it. [23:57]
thestringpuller they'll just run valgrind until it tells them its okay [23:57]
asciilifeform i have a 0.8.6 node running continuously with no leakage [23:57]
asciilifeform during chain load or otherwise [23:58]
asciilifeform although come to think of it, it inherited its blocks from earlier one [23:58]
mircea_popescu oh you meant first that way ? [23:58]
asciilifeform aha [23:58]
mircea_popescu it's not really deterministic best i can tell [23:58]
mircea_popescu and im not spending man hours on dead branches. [23:58]
asciilifeform only to see what changed [23:59]
asciilifeform looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability [23:59]
asciilifeform 'glue with broken glass' [23:59]
mircea_popescu yep [23:59]
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