Forum logs for 28 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes i've not the planet. [00:00]
asciilifeform even a lowly airplane has triple+ majority-circuit cpu [00:00]
asciilifeform a fucking airplane. [00:00]
ben_vulpes well bitcoin ain't an airplane. [00:00]
asciilifeform where only some piddling 300 life insurance policies have to be paid out [00:00]
ben_vulpes the life insurance policies are dwarfed by the operational costs and value of the machine in question. [00:00]
BingoBoingo !s power rangers [00:00]
assbot 56 results for 'power rangers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=power+rangers [00:00]
ben_vulpes perhaps talk to others who are risking 'a planet' worth of btc already on...extant btc. [00:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: depends who's aboard [00:01]
ben_vulpes my point is that large fractions of a planet's worth of btc are already bet on btc. [00:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: kings, queens in the past sailed on vessels that no one in their right mind would climb on today [00:01]
asciilifeform what of that. [00:01]
ben_vulpes anyways, it's fri. [00:01]
asciilifeform they let the 'doctors' bleed them, too. [00:01]
ben_vulpes wine and sutff calls. [00:01]
BingoBoingo Ah, movie has film of grinding boards [00:02]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: See https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5835#issuecomment-76318668 for depths of Gavin's optimizing away security. [00:02]
assbot Optimize block validation code and block propagation speed by gavinandresen · Pull Request #5835 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXq0FQ ) [00:02]
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asciilifeform re: proof: studious readers of log may recall the old thread where we spoke of general-case attributes of a proggy being unprovable [00:05]
asciilifeform (this trivially follows from turing's 'halting theorem.' no need to invoke herr gödel even.) [00:05]
asciilifeform but you can still do a few useful tricks like taint/flow analysis [00:06]
asciilifeform e.g., show that output of ecdsa signing routine can only be affected by the given parameters and not by anything else [00:06]
asciilifeform this naturally rests on the 'turtles' and 'elephants' of your priors, e.g. hardware functioning as printed on the box, and so on [00:07]
asciilifeform so not a magical guarantee (want guarantees, pray to the gods?) [00:07]
asciilifeform but still light-years ahead of just-winging-it-in-c, so long as the required 'furniture' isn't fifty pounds of fetid haskellian squigglies printed on telephone book paper [00:08]
asciilifeform but something that looks more like a programming lang you might've learned as a kid. [00:08]
asciilifeform and the result 'fits in head' [00:09]
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BingoBoingo Hour 45 in Snowden iitator is described as hanging self [00:15]
BingoBoingo metaphorically [00:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506836 << example of me vomiting at proof-of-anything. but it seems to me now that there were not one but two usg 'monasteries' where the concept was developed [00:16]
assbot Logged on 16-02-2014 02:58:15; asciilifeform: the entire field, giving its history and monetary incentives, is a poisonous offering. [00:16]
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asciilifeform one, academia, where they spew obscurantist haskellian garbage that serves solely to make perpetrators 'look smart' and pull each other's cocks; [00:17]
asciilifeform and another where the rocket actually gets flown on occasion [00:17]
asciilifeform and heads (at least once did) roll upon failure [00:17]
asciilifeform this is merely a hypothesis in my mind, i'm putting it here for others to ponder. [00:17]
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asciilifeform call it megalomania, but i'm fascinated with a certain kind of engineering [00:20]
BingoBoingo So first hour of citizenfour, maybe valuable hsitorical aritifact same for last 10 minutes. Middle portion agrandizes names lacking justification for such [00:20]
asciilifeform as in, how would you engineer if, were your creations to fail, everything you have ever loved will be tortured and killed by nazi cannibals for the rest of eternity; every truth you hold dear will be buried and never seen again, etc, etc [00:21]
BingoBoingo Obummer specificaly indicted several times [00:21]
BingoBoingo Final portion of film with Snowden very different in journalist behavior from inital portion with presumably historic snowden [00:22]
asciilifeform how would you engineer if every morning you got to see a colleague slowly lowered into a piraña tank for having made a mistake ? [00:23]
BingoBoingo Clear subtext of final 10 minutes is that aspiring Snowden 2.0 ended dead or on anthill [00:25]
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* BingoBoingo to downtime and reflecting on further paranoia [00:26]
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trinque asciilifeform: we just need to take on problems with actual risk [00:31]
asciilifeform trinque: elaborate [00:31]
trinque king says I want a moon base [00:31]
trinque everyone's making app things [00:32]
trinque or flipping burgers [00:32]
asciilifeform king, if he has any sense, begins with 'i want a tetris and underlying stack that doesn't crash, and if it does, you+extended family get intimate with anthills' [00:32]
trinque I think we'll benefit greatly from the hostility of space [00:34]
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asciilifeform try the ice cap training wheels first. [00:35]
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trinque maybe we're fat and lazy because earth hasn't put up enough of a fight [00:36]
trinque I tend to pine for some period of harsh weather and natural disasters as yeah, training wheels [00:36]
asciilifeform the best fight is put up by 'homo homini lupus est' [00:37]
asciilifeform weather doesn't plan to kill you. [00:37]
trinque that is true [00:37]
* asciilifeform is firm believer in 'war is the father of all' (TM) [00:38]
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trinque we are certainly not grazing animals, nor should we behave like them [00:40]
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trinque asciilifeform: less wolf than social insect though isn't it? [00:41]
trinque perhaps if they fought each other for social position [00:42]
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mircea_popescu Quattlebaum is an awesome Richter name. [01:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035594 << would you say the same of the original richter ? he was an immigrant. [01:16]
assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 20:45:01; ascii_field: the racket is open to 'favourite sons' exclusively. [01:16]
asciilifeform which richter [01:16]
mircea_popescu the heamul project one. you recall, generalissimo peron was going to get cold fusion going. [01:17]
asciilifeform outside of usg - rules different, sure; foreigners invited to work their magic [01:17]
asciilifeform even usg, in the not too distant past, did this [01:17]
asciilifeform (germans, etc) [01:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035617 << i appreciate the .1 lulz. [01:17]
assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 23:29:14; cazalla: for anyone that recalls shrem's attempt to lure investors into a scheme last month.. it already shut.. weeks ago https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=906838.msg10370543#msg10370543 [01:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform uh, not what i meant. peron's usg is an usg exactly like obama's usg, right ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu or is one special among all the idiot bureaucracies for reasons (tm) [01:18]
asciilifeform just pointing out bureaucracy functioning in a particular mode of idiocy [01:18]
mircea_popescu but wait. [01:19]
asciilifeform inviting cranks from abroad - altogether different ballgame from locally cultivated cynical graft [01:19]
mircea_popescu obviously they'd operate on a (being scammed) to (merit washing) continuum. it won't be either 0% or 100%. [01:19]
mircea_popescu it'll be in between. right ? [01:19]
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asciilifeform in any given instance of meritwash, somebody's being chumped (various folks who swallow the snake oil) [01:20]
mircea_popescu no, the govt itself. [01:20]
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asciilifeform as a logical entity - sure [01:20]
mircea_popescu right. [01:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2015#1035660 << kinda the problem with giveaways : they attract exactly the scum, those you specifically do not want to deal with. [01:21]
assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 23:59:53; Stunna: The amount given away is pretty minimal due to botters [01:21]
mircea_popescu whether actual bots or just human equivalents. [01:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would guess that the successful instances of actual merit wash, as opposed to usg being straight scammed, to be under 10%. [01:23]
mircea_popescu that pellet of usd that htey lost in iraq, that went to the arabs more than to the pansy ass sons of - sons of whom anyway ? patreus ? [01:23]
asciilifeform thing is, with scam, the question is always 'why does this fella get to run this scam and not some other' [01:23]
asciilifeform not always there is a logical answer, granted [01:23]
mircea_popescu "why does this guy take the slut home and not some other ?" [01:23]
asciilifeform not even always this level of answer [01:24]
mircea_popescu if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored" [01:24]
asciilifeform but sometimes - there is. [01:24]
asciilifeform because, in a well-cultivated sc4mz0r0cr4cy with multigenerational rackets, there is usually an established pecking order [01:24]
asciilifeform and dynasties [01:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035693 << they did when they went into eu [01:25]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 00:12:16; asciilifeform: iirc sp technically never made peace with ru. [01:25]
asciilifeform example, http://www.delcoremyhistory.com/Products/missilebattery.htm [01:25]
assbot Delco Remy Division - Product History - Missile Battery ... ( http://bit.ly/1LTO1t0 ) [01:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure. the thing about them orders and dynasties is... they do not work. [01:25]
asciilifeform ^ these folks are -still- making it [01:25]
asciilifeform platinum-iridium toilet [01:25]
asciilifeform not mere gold. [01:25]
mircea_popescu so ? [01:26]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now -that's- interesting. got a link to the treaty ? [01:26]
mircea_popescu for every 10 bux of this there's 100 bux of "we got raped and had to pay the rapist for his cab fare" [01:26]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform Посольство Испании ул. Большая Никитская, 50/8, Москва, Rusia, 121069 ‎ [01:27]
mircea_popescu ya know ? [01:27]
asciilifeform ^ could co-exist with a technically unfinished state of war [01:28]
mircea_popescu no ? [01:28]
asciilifeform otoh the original war was never declared, iirc [01:28]
asciilifeform so whole line of thought goes nowhere [01:28]
mircea_popescu well im not really THAT into it, but i recall part of the eu assumption conditions was "no territorial disputes and no unresolved conflicts" [01:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035740 << the power of bitcoin decimal depth. [01:32]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 00:51:31; mike_c: ^ 200 satoshis is worth less than an ad view at $2 cpm [01:32]
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* asciilifeform - as ben_vulpes will be entertained to learn - just opened a 'macbook air' in dire need of a modern-sized drive to discover that said box made use of an obscure type of disk interface previously unknown to him, with aftermarket units only available from cn [01:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035767 << could the command be less verbose ? no : and no add- whatever. make it like deedbot- deed http://etc [01:34]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 01:51:12; trinque: ^ demo [01:34]
* asciilifeform only opened it because had an ssd from visually identical machine of the same make, which turned out to be incompatible. [01:35]
trinque mircea_popescu: certainly [01:36]
asciilifeform what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? [01:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035866 << read your policy carefully. plenty actually don't pay if you get airplane killed. [01:41]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 02:56:12; asciilifeform: where only some piddling 300 life insurance policies have to be paid out [01:41]
* asciilifeform unsurprised, recalls a list of similar gotchas that added up to 'give us money because you're retarded' [01:42]
mircea_popescu mhm. [01:42]
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asciilifeform but basic point is that machine doesn't just cost what machine costs, but some actuarial numbers based on what the corpses' legal reps are likely to attempt/achieve [01:43]
asciilifeform plus whatever it falls down on [01:43]
asciilifeform (who said it had to be the sea) [01:43]
mircea_popescu sure. [01:44]
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mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/9747d981c7cc8f7b1fef72d03e06f4d8/tumblr_n1t29cPPlh1rm4ufeo1_1280.jpg [01:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwij3s ) [01:47]
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decimation re: snowden film : he seems pretty genuine to me [01:49]
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decimation but he also seems rather aggrandizing [01:49]
* asciilifeform did not see the film, but will say that he could probably produce a 'snowden' film with an arbitrarily high degree of 'truthiness' given a few $10M-usd [01:50]
mircea_popescu you're nuts you know. [01:51]
mircea_popescu dude, they can't even make a film looking credible on 100mn. [01:51]
asciilifeform can't or don't want/need ? [01:51]
mircea_popescu just look at the crud that gets released. and that's on "normal" topics, girl meets boy or w/e. [01:52]
asciilifeform the 64-quadrillion-bzollar question, nein ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu to get an idea of what 10mn buys you, check out tucker max' film. [01:52]
asciilifeform what did 'clerks' cost ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220628/ << watch this. srsly. that's 10mn. [01:52]
assbot I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell (2009) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwiLia ) [01:52]
mircea_popescu and i dunno how truthy clerks looked to you ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=clerks.htm [01:53]
assbot Clerks (1994) - Box Office Mojo ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwiP1x ) [01:53]
* asciilifeform never sure if ever to believe these figures as they are traditionally ultra-lowballed for tax purposes [01:53]
mircea_popescu the major difference here being that your example is some kids having fun, my example is some idiot trying to force a meme. [01:53]
mircea_popescu your idea is like my example not like your example. [01:54]
asciilifeform hm. [01:54]
mircea_popescu actually they aren't. tax deductions abound. [01:54]
* asciilifeform confesses to having only a very basic familiarity with the subject [01:54]
mircea_popescu well, i'm not the king of tinseltown, however, on the grounds of my cursory familiarty with the topic of making movies (ie, being a producer), [01:55]
mircea_popescu what you propose (a forced meme film that is secretly made) can not be done. period. [01:55]
asciilifeform forced meme ? [01:55]
mircea_popescu you can't get the budget high enough without making secrecy impossible. [01:55]
mircea_popescu yes. [01:55]
asciilifeform get the budget high enough without making secrecy impossible << this is right back to the 64-quadrillion-bzollar question. the dept-of-breaking-pgp gets $maxint and remains totally secret - not to say that they've succeeded or even tried, but we have no idea how much cocaine they were able to buy with the $maxint, nor the carat purity of the gold of which their toilets were made [01:57]
decimation the journalists are made to look like buffoons [01:57]
mircea_popescu this is silly. [01:58]
mircea_popescu "can god make a rock so big and hide it so well he ends up making another one ???" [01:59]
asciilifeform what'd count as a -real, indisputable- usg leak? example: info leading to perma-pwn of a whole constellation (hell, why not all of them) of usg orbiting junk [02:01]
asciilifeform as insinuated in that cryptome thing (pretty good yarn, recommended) [02:01]
asciilifeform essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout [02:02]
asciilifeform or even a hangout-gone-botched [02:02]
asciilifeform something from which no recovery is possible, any more than from shooting self in the head with a 'stinger' [02:02]
asciilifeform (yes, not physically possible, but for sake of argument!) [02:03]
asciilifeform or, going back to more familiar ground, the microcode update key perma-baked into all intel cpu since '95 [02:04]
asciilifeform or the locations of all x,xxx nato arms caches in ru and eastern eu [02:06]
asciilifeform etc. [02:06]
asciilifeform could go on, but i'm not a novelist, just trying to make a point [02:06]
mircea_popescu seems arbitrary. [02:06]
asciilifeform basic idea is, a mortal wound [02:06]
asciilifeform rather than just disfiguring [02:07]
asciilifeform to usg. [02:07]
mircea_popescu suppose you're 13, and suppose you're hot for mary sue, and suppose i am invisible, and suppose i steal her diary. [02:07]
asciilifeform aha? [02:07]
mircea_popescu is your argument going to be that "unless it shows her naked fucking a satellite it's not truely a diary" ? [02:07]
mircea_popescu 13yo girls don't normally take that sorta footage. [02:07]
asciilifeform but usg does [02:07]
mircea_popescu notrly. [02:07]
mircea_popescu you think it does, because to your starstruck eyes this 13 yo girl is like ... madonna. [02:08]
asciilifeform has private keys just like you and i [02:08]
mircea_popescu only better. [02:08]
mircea_popescu except... she's a dumb 13 yo with barel yany tits, that nobody but you would even notice. [02:08]
decimation note that usg only gains superpowers when she's trying to conduct a worldwide coordinated deception [02:08]
asciilifeform to run with the analogy, she's the 'fat kid with rich father' [02:08]
asciilifeform from mircea_popescu's earlier article [02:08]
asciilifeform usg is running on two centuries of plunder and exuberant technowankery, from which, granted, only fumes remain in the tank [02:09]
mircea_popescu eh... here's the caper : if she were, for a weird reason, the fucking queen of terrania [02:09]
asciilifeform kid may be so far he's spherical, but father was very, very rich. [02:09]
mircea_popescu it'd be because everyone's so saying, not for any other reason. [02:09]
asciilifeform *so fat [02:10]
mircea_popescu if they change their mind... you're left holding up a very scared 13 yo. [02:10]
mircea_popescu one that THINKS it used to do things to "make" everyone bla bla. [02:10]
mircea_popescu and then splat she goes [02:10]
mircea_popescu on the asphalt. [02:10]
asciilifeform might check under the bed and see if the red button's still connected to something, before splat ? [02:11]
* mircea_popescu jew waves [02:11]
decimation meanwhile actual usg can't even coordinate its own aircraft in its own airspace http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2015/02/25/cherry-point-assumes-air-traffic-control-responsibilities/23948767/ [02:13]
assbot FAA hands local air traffic control to MCAS Cherry Point ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwkPXw ) [02:13]
asciilifeform when the last usg fighter runs headlong into the last usg bomber, and the fireball takes out their last aerial tanker, we can say 'can't' [02:14]
asciilifeform http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/media/cinematic/video/24106461 << unrelated to above but relevant to BingoBoingo's article [02:15]
assbot Cops: MO candidate dies of self-inflicted gunshot wound ... ( http://bit.ly/1wwl3hs ) [02:15]
asciilifeform ^ with alleged audio [02:16]
decimation maybe he was in the cherry business too [02:17]
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asciilifeform or why stick to boring old kinetic killing machines; [02:26]
asciilifeform let's learn whether - and how - noblis corp. molested the britneychain. [02:27]
asciilifeform or say a shipment of petahash's worth of usg-commissioned miners sailing from taiwan ends up in hands of 'isis' because of a leaked key [02:28]
asciilifeform then - yes, leaks like sieve [02:28]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu remarked, iirc, that i'm living in berlin circa '44, but it looks rather more like '38 here. [02:33]
asciilifeform where's the stalingrad, damnit. [02:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://libverse.ru/korzhavin/trybachi.html << relevant to thread [02:43]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: say later if were able to digest it. otherwise i might have to attempt a transl. [02:43]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i get a general idea [04:40]
mircea_popescu guy wants a magic trumpet to make enemies stand out from friends. [04:40]
asciilifeform xlating now [04:40]
asciilifeform tough cookie, this one [04:41]
mircea_popescu well im off, tomorro. [04:45]
asciilifeform seeya [04:45]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/4a63527f5a90fd698739f30285fe0ba0/tumblr_mmoapj3TvS1rnhnkmo1_1280.jpg i leave you with the gift of dulap. [04:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wvpYJH ) [04:46]
asciilifeform sssschhhlink! [04:46]
asciilifeform l0l [04:46]
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mircea_popescu i like how asciilifeform makes notes to point out that hey, you could be looking this up :D [13:40]
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mircea_popescu (btw, you should prolly put that up on yoru blog. pastes are temporary) [13:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform too late. http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/ [14:27]
assbot Hai c-am furat un negativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZL3HI ) [14:27]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/hai-c-am-furat-un-negativ/ [14:44]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [14:53]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/anti-integrity-advocates-push-netflix-to-break-contracts/ [14:53]
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mircea_popescu cazalla a) killed is a little misleading, traditionally "died" is the word for accidental death ; b) isn't this teppy of dragon tale / tale in the desert fame ? [15:11]
BingoBoingo b) that just might be [15:14]
BingoBoingo a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently [15:16]
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BingoBoingo ;;google killed in one car accident [15:16]
gribble '60 Minutes' correspondent Bob Simon dies in car accident - CNN.com: ; Woman killed after 3 vehicle accident on the Mass Pike | WWLP.com: ; Bruce Jenner in Horrible Car Crash -- 1 Person Dead | TMZ.com: [15:16]
BingoBoingo dies or died probably the better word though [15:17]
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chetty yep, Andrew Tepper, A Tale in the Desert and Dragon Tales [15:35]
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thestringpuller "i dont think its a good idea to go poking around the profiles of the dead on reddit." [15:47]
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chetty oh hey no different Tepper, Adam not Andrew :P [15:57]
thestringpuller http://ninasays.so/howdoyoudoit/ [15:58]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [16:37]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 251.72, Best ask: 252.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 252.17, 24 hour volume: 6891.50924384, 24 hour low: 245.2, 24 hour high: 256.15, 24 hour vwap: 252.06286089 [16:37]
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cazalla a) For violent accidents that lead to death killed is used frequently <<< that was my thinking, was not an intentional click bait title as some alleged [17:24]
BingoBoingo scoopbot -fetch [17:30]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/ [17:30]
cazalla maybe it's an aussie thing to use killed for violent deaths, i am not the only one.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-28/bitcoin-ceo-adam-tepper-killed-in-thailand/6271440 http://www.smh.com.au/national/australian-killed-in-thailand-identified-as-independent-reserve-ceo-20150228-13rmqe.html [17:31]
assbot Adam Tepper, Bitcoin trader and CEO of Independent Reserve, killed in motorcycle accident in Phuket - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTrV9 ) [17:31]
assbot Australian killed in Thailand identified as Independent Reserve CEO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTqjT ) [17:31]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo turns out that one's andrew not adam, my bad [17:33]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/02/police-chief-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitution/ << bwahaha [17:34]
assbot Police Chief Arrested for Soliciting Prostitution | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vKTZdp ) [17:34]
mod6 !t m s.mpoe [17:43]
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mod6 well, I'm back. :] [17:43]
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mircea_popescu wb! [17:48]
ben_vulpes how was vaycay? [17:48]
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mod6 thanks, good! [17:51]
ben_vulpes [04:32] what does ben_vulpes do with his apple boxen? just throws them out when disk fills ? << generally, backup disk, format, give to pets and or repurpose as misc. computing devices around the house/office. [17:51]
ben_vulpes it's an abysmal cycle. [17:51]
mod6 haven't had any time off in like... 8 years. [17:51]
mod6 i don't think i've ever been 3 days behind on logs. lol. [17:55]
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thestringpuller mod6: doesn't like #b-a people [17:55]
mircea_popescu mod6 past week or so hasnt been all that terrible. [17:56]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, not too bad. lot of trades tho! [17:56]
mod6 thestringpuller: what? [17:56]
mod6 lol, always tryin to troll me. [17:57]
thestringpuller it's cause you changed my life with da jeezy [18:00]
thestringpuller trap or die! [18:00]
mod6 :P [18:06]
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asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/trubach.txt << permalink for my barbaric translation from last night [19:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3EUcr ) [19:07]
asciilifeform and mircea_popescu has a prettified one on his site [19:07]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nsa-cia-scs-implant-cafe.jpg << mega-l0l! [19:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aoy8E9 ) [19:15]
asciilifeform ^ a snowdenism featured a cellar where nsa likes to open mail, plant bugs in routers, etc. there was an outside shot. someone appears to have found it on 'google earth' and is now marked [19:17]
asciilifeform will soon have reviews! likely [19:17]
asciilifeform 'best bug, great service' [19:17]
chetty someone should start returning the favor [19:19]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B6%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BD,_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 << he's alive! [19:45]
assbot Коржавин, Наум Моисеевич — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1BrcF33 ) [19:45]
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asciilifeform ^ funnily enough, after being let go from gulag, he earned his living for many years as a translator. [19:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://poetrylibrary.ru/stixiya/korzhavin-1.html#osvobodite-zhenschinu-ot << almost like he wrote this one just for you [19:49]
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decimation http://cryptome.org/2015/02/roark-103.pdf < BingoBoingo this might make an interesting story [20:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOxGjx ) [20:11]
decimation you have a PACER account don't you? [20:11]
BingoBoingo decimation: I'll give it another read. Maybe you could give a writeup a try since you seem to have a hook for it. [20:12]
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ben_vulpes http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/3-men-in-brooklyn-charged-supporting-isis.html?_r=0 [20:14]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1zOy5SX ) [20:14]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we did this one here [20:15]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-02-2015#1035148 [20:15]
assbot Logged on 27-02-2015 01:24:58; asciilifeform: usg found two clinically certifiable imbeciles and now they have 'terrorists' in the dock [20:15]
asciilifeform (see rest of thread) [20:16]
chetty must remind us how much we need dhs [20:17]
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asciilifeform https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/14059875162_dda7c1c05f.jpg << unrelated [20:18]
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asciilifeform incidentally, uzbek translator for usg must be a killer gig [20:21]
asciilifeform doubtful that there's more than a handful of them [20:21]
asciilifeform probably 'name own price' [20:21]
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asciilifeform esp. if you consider that they have to be 'cleared', (nominally) loyaltied, etc [20:22]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: harumph [20:24]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is that so far they use that and only that kind of 'feedstock' [20:26]
asciilifeform (borderline retards, no money, no alibi, no lawyer, plenty of 'damning six words written by honest man') [20:27]
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asciilifeform though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal [20:28]
asciilifeform the only thing better than a generic imbecile is one with a titanic bag of benjies under his car seat [20:28]
asciilifeform (local police chief's 'porsche' won't buy itself!) [20:29]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'porsche' << civil forfeiture, not terrism. [20:34]
asciilifeform two tastes that go great together (TM) [20:34]
asciilifeform esp. once the maggots are done with the rotting flesh (above tale and similar) and start on the living meat [20:35]
asciilifeform i.e. the folks with houses, jobs, savings (miracle!), bitcoin [20:35]
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asciilifeform right now is 'easy going' because the polizei are only expected to deliver up carcasses for the show trials, rather than revenue [20:36]
asciilifeform when it's a+b - then the 'fun' starts [20:36]
ben_vulpes why bother? just print more. [20:36]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: may as well ask, why tax [20:37]
ben_vulpes politically useful. see the routine audits of whoever's not in power. [20:37]
asciilifeform answer is that the machine doesn't work if run on 100% bzollar [20:37]
asciilifeform gotta have some actual petrol in that water [20:37]
asciilifeform for engine to run. [20:37]
ben_vulpes confiscation isn't likely to compare with taxes pulled in from payrol.. [20:38]
ben_vulpes payroll*. [20:38]
asciilifeform depends on what is confiscated, and from whom [20:38]
asciilifeform not simply a matter of balance sheet, either. [20:38]
ben_vulpes what, then? [20:38]
asciilifeform some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house [20:38]
ben_vulpes there are no ethnic minorities around here, and won't be for another decade easily. [20:39]
asciilifeform just example. [20:39]
ben_vulpes sure. [20:39]
ben_vulpes even then, there's miles of pressed shitboard that can yet be erected. [20:39]
asciilifeform can be erected by whom ? [20:39]
asciilifeform paid in what ? [20:39]
ben_vulpes why go through the trouble of confiscating, when again, funds for disbursement to the 'blessed poor' can be routed to the homebuilders? [20:39]
ben_vulpes 'opportunity grants' [20:39]
ben_vulpes tax credits for sales to favorite sons. [20:40]
asciilifeform basic hypothesis here: the machine is still burning fat, rather than own muscle, while what is being stolen is the surplus [20:40]
asciilifeform when it is the principal - the physical shortages begin [20:40]
asciilifeform and things turn openly soviet [20:40]
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ben_vulpes is orlov's account of the soviet collapse halfway accurate? [20:41]
ben_vulpes 'reinventing collapse'? [20:42]
asciilifeform 100% accurate, allowing for survivor bias [20:42]
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asciilifeform (the folks who got the worst of it, are not here and are certainly not writing books in engl.) [20:42]
asciilifeform he devotes a few pages to them. [20:42]
ben_vulpes i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked. [20:43]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: then read mr o's 'post-soviet lessons' at the very least [20:43]
asciilifeform it's on www. [20:43]
asciilifeform if you like dead tree, it's 'reinventing collapse', 'hold your applause', and 'the five stages of collapse' in that order. [20:43]
ben_vulpes i shall [20:44]
asciilifeform (personal recommendation. his later stuff, i'm not a fan of, anarchoprimitivism is not my cup of poison) [20:44]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2013#429514 [20:45]
assbot Logged on 22-12-2013 19:11:43; asciilifeform: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml [20:45]
asciilifeform ^ parts 2 and 3 in same thread below there. [20:45]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: basic observation (by no means mine! or even solely orlov's) is that collapse comes 'in fits.' for example, at the moment it did not occur to you to think that obtaining drywall or labourers to knock together a 'shitboard' house, could ever be problematic [20:50]
asciilifeform just as you might think, while driving car, that you might run out of fuel, but not out of air [20:50]
asciilifeform there is actually a small drywall (sheets) factory not far from where i live [20:51]
asciilifeform dingiest, most run-down industrial landscape one could hope to meet [20:51]
asciilifeform first few times i walked past it, was convinced that it was abandoned [20:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can read russian poetry a lot better once someone's conveniently done 99% of the work, found the equivalents, set out the rhyming scheme etc [20:52]
asciilifeform but then, one time after sundown, saw the lights [20:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll do that one next, quite possibly [20:52]
asciilifeform when shiva hand or two frees up for a spell [20:52]
mircea_popescu probably 'name own price' << yeah, right. usg would rather have google translated material by some crafty armenian at "pay grade" than pay what competent guy asks. [20:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: and the factory churns on, because the trucks carrying gypsum come on schedule, the roughnecks show up, etc [20:53]
asciilifeform but what if one of the ingredients went missing. or hiccuped. [20:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036312 << "we only pick fighters we know we can put the fear of god in". [20:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: translators... armenian << actually usg translator racket is - traditionally - ultra-lucrative. complete with own boom'n'bust cycles [20:54]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:24:13; asciilifeform: though folks who differ from above portrait solely in the have-money part (e.g. shrem) are also a favourite prey animal [20:54]
mircea_popescu you ever seen that film ? [20:54]
asciilifeform which [20:54]
mircea_popescu miller's crossing. [20:54]
mircea_popescu must see. [20:54]
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mircea_popescu put it at the top, tis great. [20:55]
asciilifeform was that the one where 'i'm not selling a license to shoot bookies today' [20:55]
mircea_popescu you ain't bought a license to kill bookies, and today i ain't sellin' any. [20:55]
mircea_popescu so take yer flunkie an' dangle. [20:55]
asciilifeform ^ [20:55]
asciilifeform aha! [20:55]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036333 << so soviet. [20:58]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:34:24; asciilifeform: some politically important ethnic minority, for instance, might enjoy living in ben_vulpes's house [20:58]
asciilifeform why not 'so french' or - hell - 'so roman' [20:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1036352 << keep a harem, of women that have no children, no pity and can shoot. [20:59]
assbot Logged on 28-02-2015 23:38:48; ben_vulpes: i'm interested in the survivor's tale. taking notes on how to get the least fucked. [20:59]
asciilifeform ^ works best on atomic dirigible [20:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform because your folk's special alf :D [20:59]
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mircea_popescu btw i sent the archive.today guy a note, if he shows up him [21:00]
asciilifeform what was this [21:00]
mircea_popescu !s existential [21:01]
assbot 15 results for 'existential' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=existential [21:01]
mircea_popescu first hit [21:01]
asciilifeform aha [21:01]
asciilifeform found. [21:01]
asciilifeform 'So far there has been only one issue with the text content: publishing of drug production recipes is illegal in Russia, so we received a request from the government agency to hide them from visitors from Russia (otherwise they would block the whole site). Visitors from other countries can see those pages.' [21:02]
asciilifeform ^ lol [21:02]
asciilifeform this is actually a thing [21:02]
asciilifeform occasionally [21:02]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's [21:08]
asciilifeform when it becomes a question of physical difficulty in obtaining any other way, or even prior - a symbolic but tasty bone thrown to folks who hate you for what you are - the confiscations. [21:09]
ben_vulpes how do rentals fare in this model? [21:11]
asciilifeform packed denser, repaired even more seldom, and again denser, and at geometrically climbing cost [21:12]
ben_vulpes does the political power du jour really go so far as to entirely alienate the rentiers? [21:12]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#996757 << obligatory thread [21:13]
assbot Logged on 29-01-2015 04:09:15; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein) [21:13]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the rentiers are swimming 'in chocolate' and happier than could ever wish [21:13]
asciilifeform the renters - different story. [21:14]
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ben_vulpes 'chocolate'? [21:14]
ben_vulpes i'm sure there's some fatalistic reasoning against buying property and renting it out in this scenario [21:15]
asciilifeform 'gravy' in trad. engl. i think. [21:15]
ben_vulpes aha. [21:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: where i live, the rental racket is being rapidly rolled up by mega-conglomerates who specialize in building titanic blocks of communal flats [21:15]
asciilifeform literally communal [21:15]
asciilifeform (see linked thread) [21:15]
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asciilifeform just a few hrs ago i drove past a street where they were knocking down, as we speak, sixteen or so blocks of rental houses [21:16]
asciilifeform where mega-highrise kommunal flats will be built [21:16]
asciilifeform these will be inhabited, incidentally, by chumps feeding the 'college' chumpatron [21:17]
asciilifeform (the on-campus housing is packed to the gunnels) [21:17]
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asciilifeform these folks are being prepared, by the flats far more so than anything in the lecture halls, for how the rest of their lives will be lived. [21:18]
asciilifeform if their luck holds. [21:18]
ben_vulpes 'komunalki' < hm [21:19]
ben_vulpes yeah. [21:19]
ben_vulpes see also kibbutz [21:19]
ben_vulpes ? [21:19]
asciilifeform nah [21:19]
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asciilifeform kibbutz, kolhoz - had at least a nominal collective purpose [21:20]
asciilifeform rather than straight cynical meat warehouse [21:20]
asciilifeform the practical difference is that folks -work- at a kolhoz [21:20]
asciilifeform not merely park their arses there [21:20]
gabriel_laddel Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables. [21:21]
gabriel_laddel Used for communal something-or-other [21:21]
gabriel_laddel also the kibbutz is a voluntary arrangement afaik [21:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919411 [21:22]
assbot Logged on 13-11-2014 05:31:28; asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.' [21:22]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: voluntary (nominally) for the adults, yes [21:22]
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asciilifeform outfits such as 'google', i'm told, are experimenting with bringing back the factory dormitory. which would have a bright future in usa, if there were any factories [21:24]
gabriel_laddel the hell that googlers live in now is amusing [21:25]
asciilifeform the hell they lived in from day one was always amusing [21:26]
asciilifeform from safe distance [21:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607098 << relevant classic thread [21:27]
assbot Logged on 06-04-2014 05:30:22; asciilifeform: one man's 300k is not the same as another's [21:27]
gabriel_laddel hehe yeah [21:27]
gabriel_laddel I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living. [21:28]
gabriel_laddel I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though... [21:29]
gabriel_laddel Question for Mr. M: [21:29]
gabriel_laddel In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys? [21:29]
gabriel_laddel Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why? [21:29]
gabriel_laddel Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh? [21:29]
gabriel_laddel Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans? [21:29]
gabriel_laddel I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live... [21:29]
gabriel_laddel "Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.) [21:29]
gabriel_laddel from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html [21:29]
assbot Unqualified Reservations: Sam Altman is not a blithering idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnlA1X ) [21:29]
asciilifeform l0l [21:29]
* asciilifeform tries to recall what that was about [21:30]
asciilifeform incidentally - and i am quite sure that mr mold would disagree - but he went to the precise place where i proclaimed he is doomed to go. [21:31]
asciilifeform when his benjie bag ran dry. [21:31]
gabriel_laddel the impotent bezzle-lords? [21:32]
gabriel_laddel yeah [21:32]
asciilifeform more specifically. [21:32]
gabriel_laddel urbit it teh lameness [21:32]
asciilifeform no more urbit circa '2010, and certainly no 'unqualified reservations', but urbit-flavoured webdev for arseappchatbookville. [21:33]
gabriel_laddel "urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where? [21:33]
asciilifeform why funded and by whom ? [21:33]
asciilifeform watch his film (somebody filmed him pitching at a conference of one kind or another) [21:33]
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asciilifeform now, no one is at risk for having to do web dev in it [21:34]
asciilifeform but as i gather the urbit folks are occupied primarily with pitching just this elaborate scam on the vc circuit [21:34]
BingoBoingo reservations http://sexylosers.com/021.html [21:34]
asciilifeform hence precious little time left over for actual work [21:34]
assbot #021 - The Strip From Hell ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnmvPY ) [21:35]
gabriel_laddel I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/ [21:35]
asciilifeform (of which, because of the braindamaged design, there is an inexhaustible amount) [21:35]
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gabriel_laddel "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble* [21:38]
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asciilifeform ^ [21:38]
asciilifeform aka 'merit wash' [21:38]
gabriel_laddel The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/ [21:38]
asciilifeform but also a certain amount of 'sultan has infinite money, why shouldn't he sit down on a toilet of monocrystalline diamond, the costlier and more useless - the better' [21:39]
asciilifeform why ru oligarchs buy british sport teams, without giving a damn whether it wins or loses, etc [21:39]
asciilifeform see also mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' article. [21:39]
gabriel_laddel Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while... [21:39]
gabriel_laddel Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be [21:40]
asciilifeform the madness of the terminally bored is key to understanding much of what we spoke of here. [21:40]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i recently watched such a machine burst lcd for no discernible reason [21:41]
asciilifeform right in front of me [21:41]
gabriel_laddel lolol [21:41]
asciilifeform apple wouldn't take it back. [21:41]
asciilifeform it was roughly 2 wks old. [21:41]
gabriel_laddel unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason. [21:41]
asciilifeform another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so [21:42]
gabriel_laddel hahahahahaa [21:42]
asciilifeform and - he'll be given an identical box. [21:42]
asciilifeform because what's the alternative. [21:42]
gabriel_laddel feminist computing, about as good as feministfim [21:42]
gabriel_laddel feminist theater [21:42]
gabriel_laddel (I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc) [21:43]
asciilifeform link? [21:43]
gabriel_laddel http://www.amazon.com/CQ57-439WM-Presario-Dual-Core-Accelerated-Processor/dp/B007DXEOEU [21:44]
assbot Amazon.com: Compaq CQ57-439WM 16-Inch Presario Laptop PC (AMD Dual-Core E-300 Accelerated Processor and Windows 7 Home Premium): Computers & Accessories ... ( http://bit.ly/18abSHy ) [21:44]
asciilifeform do all the peripherals - incl. gpu and power management module (e.g., suspend-to-ram) function without burping under linux/bsd ? [21:44]
asciilifeform can i connect 10,000 x 8,000 of lcd acreage ? [21:45]
gabriel_laddel I doubt it. [21:45]
asciilifeform ecc ram ? [21:45]
gabriel_laddel probably not [21:45]
asciilifeform see where this is going ? [21:45]
asciilifeform apple plays like monopolist because it -is- a monopoly [21:45]
asciilifeform on portable unix box that sorta works [21:46]
gabriel_laddel Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap [21:46]
asciilifeform sane is countereconomic. [21:46]
gabriel_laddel Nonsense. [21:46]
asciilifeform who's gonna pay the $25K that thing will - inevitably - cost ? [21:46]
gabriel_laddel http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html [21:47]
assbot Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnplEL ) [21:47]
gabriel_laddel ^ you'll remember this [21:47]
asciilifeform aha [21:47]
asciilifeform or my own 'professional computing' article [21:48]
gabriel_laddel sure. [21:48]
gabriel_laddel Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures. [21:48]
asciilifeform incidentally, there is apparently a market for diamond-and-gold-encrusted but otherwise ordinary wintel laptops. [21:48]
asciilifeform but not professional equipment. go figure. [21:48]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: 20k is pocket change [21:48]
asciilifeform in hardware biz [21:49]
gabriel_laddel I agree. My point is that there is a market. [21:49]
gabriel_laddel I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/ [21:49]
asciilifeform it wouldn't buy a (new) pick'n'place robot, for example, unless you go ultra-chinese [21:49]
gabriel_laddel My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him. [21:50]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: problem is, the folks willing to be the 'pioneers with arrows in their back' would each have to pay 100M not 100K for the thing to happen. [21:50]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: possibly because i explained to him just what would be involved [21:51]
gabriel_laddel I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it. [21:51]
asciilifeform and how 5m wouldn't even appear as a droplet of rain in the seven seas. [21:51]
asciilifeform this is probably where we are doomed to disagree. [21:51]
gabriel_laddel If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective. [21:52]
gabriel_laddel And yes, we probably are doomed to disagree. [21:52]
asciilifeform i specifically assign the failure of each and every attempt to date with the notion that you can get to the moon by piling chairs. [21:52]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: well actually your observation is correct above: the only way to fund such a thing is to be obscenely successful in some entirely unrelated venture. [21:53]
asciilifeform so quite right - one needn't (mustn't!) start there. [21:53]
gabriel_laddel I'm glad to have communicated that. [21:53]
asciilifeform but if that venture relates to computing in any way, you will probably render your brain unfit for the original mission. [21:54]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann? [21:55]
gabriel_laddel nonsense. [21:55]
asciilifeform no [21:55]
asciilifeform more abstract problem [21:55]
gabriel_laddel do explain [21:55]
asciilifeform when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it [21:55]
gabriel_laddel ! how did I end up doing this? [21:56]
gabriel_laddel !s how did I end up doing this? [21:56]
asciilifeform and no one will undo the 40 yrs of retardation who has reached this state [21:56]
assbot 0 results for 'how did I end up doing this?' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=how+did+I+end+up+doing+this%3F [21:56]
asciilifeform must be fueled by burning hatred for the way it all is [21:56]
BingoBoingo "Cocaine Induced Brain Atrophy" is the obstacle [21:57]
gabriel_laddel my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc [21:57]
asciilifeform for the 'a-students' who have all the crud memorized unthinkingly and 'are marketable' [21:57]
BingoBoingo when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it << With regard to this [21:57]
asciilifeform for the microshit and www stack shit eaters [21:57]
asciilifeform etc [21:57]
gabriel_laddel also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it. [21:57]
asciilifeform keep hating. [21:57]
gabriel_laddel cocaine causes your brain to atrophy? [21:58]
asciilifeform it lets you know - you're still a man [21:58]
gabriel_laddel related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high. [21:59]
gabriel_laddel else it is simply far too boring [21:59]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: When you make your fortune on stupidity, the cocaine you can afford makes you liek the stupidity [21:59]
asciilifeform prepare for the day when the dope doesn't work, the flesh had enough [21:59]
asciilifeform ^ goes equally well for king and slave alike [22:00]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Could also be called yacht or pile of hookers induced brain atrophy [22:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00041283 = 7.7406 BTC [+] [22:00]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it. [22:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the next phase of the disease, as i understand, is to 'turn nero' [22:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where do you suppose the legends of moneyed folks hunting bipedal prey in arizona, etc. come from ? [22:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Exactly [22:01]
asciilifeform milder cases - fund urbits [22:01]
gabriel_laddel ^ on the macro scale, far more damaging [22:02]
asciilifeform believe or not, this actually happened in past empires [22:02]
gabriel_laddel Hunting humans? Of course. [22:03]
asciilifeform e.g., turkish eunuch having (decorative, naturally!) harems of their own, complete with... eunuch guards [22:03]
asciilifeform speaking of multilevel parasitism here [22:03]
asciilifeform hunting - sop [22:03]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/qntra-s-qntr-february-2015-statement/ [22:04]
cazalla damn, you scooped that instantly scoopbot [22:04]
gabriel_laddel Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out. [22:09]
gabriel_laddel I suspect we won't have to wait long. [22:09]
gabriel_laddel Vaguely related: [22:09]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: check your time machine settings. you've arrived at the wrong war [22:09]
gabriel_laddel Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable. [22:09]
gabriel_laddel -- Milton Friedman [22:09]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: how so? [22:09]
asciilifeform this one is gonna be short on manhattan project and long on amulets issued to the cannon fodder that 'ward off bullets with the power of jizzus' [22:10]
asciilifeform a la iran-iraq war [22:10]
asciilifeform or boko haram. [22:10]
gabriel_laddel nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog. [22:11]
asciilifeform it'll be voodoo + 50 yrs. of accumulated modern arms [22:11]
asciilifeform presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?) [22:12]
* gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option [22:12]
BingoBoingo Yesterday's linked megalol re: video voodoo is related [22:12]
gabriel_laddel in any case, I don't plan to be around for it [22:12]
asciilifeform pointing out that the voodoo will be the wunderwaffen of choice for a hypothetical 'berlin '45' usg, rather than wunderwaffen [22:13]
asciilifeform (of the working hardware kind) [22:13]
asciilifeform not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose [22:14]
asciilifeform right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ? [22:14]
asciilifeform say, today there's a 'quadra tracker' for every five or six working portable mass-spec products, what if the proportion were reversed ? [22:15]
asciilifeform what if, as in mircea_popescu's gedankenexperiment, usg were unable to resupply its men on schedule ? [22:15]
asciilifeform then - we learn what the 'b plan' is. [22:15]
asciilifeform my guess - quite like the soviet 'b plan' [22:16]
asciilifeform consisting of a buncha newly minted retirees in the swiss alps [22:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036409 << speaking of the entire "deserve your house', the fema experiments in st louis were a complete success. [22:16]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:04:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to round off the earlier thread, house will be confiscated a) ahead of schedule, if you get lucky b) when your local real estate racket's ability to crank out drywall, pour cement, assemble the thing is outpaced by, e.g., flood of $refugees from $pisshole who 'deserve' your house and your neighbour's [22:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform there's nothing whatever optional about these "plans". they're not plans in the normal sense, moar like, "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" [22:17]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: sov. plan b >> http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Gorbachev-and-Pete-Mercedes-560-SEL.png (left hand. gorby on a very well-known d.c. street.) [22:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E471Ed ) [22:17]
mircea_popescu us has been run on the path of least resistance since at least the 60s [22:17]
gabriel_laddel I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part. [22:18]
gabriel_laddel perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there? [22:18]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel how so ? [22:18]
mircea_popescu ahaha that pete mercedes pic. dude looks like a total stoner paratrooper. [22:18]
mircea_popescu "i have come to liberate the buds man!" [22:18]
asciilifeform l0l [22:18]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc. [22:19]
mircea_popescu actually this was in log, lemme see. [22:19]
asciilifeform "what is the plan b of yonder artificial lake, once dykes fail ?" << 'what should one do when a shell lands in the trench ?' -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' (brit., circa ww1) [22:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2015#985095 [22:21]
assbot Logged on 20-01-2015 23:17:04; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, it's clarified some things for me. i live within blocks of the center of all "manifestations" "public meetings" and so forth. there's on average two a week of these. they're not all political, but the political ones seemed quite suspect to me [22:21]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel ^ that entire discussion [22:21]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ar has ru-style 'meetings' ? i.e. crowds of folks with prefab picket signs, paid chump change to wave around ? [22:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036423 << ironically, the decay contains its own cure. there is literally nothing better for your average redditard than a forced communal living situation. [22:22]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:11:29; asciilifeform: literally communal [22:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform myeah. and they're all colored. [22:22]
mircea_popescu (argentina is moar racist than 1850s charleston, you gotta be white.) [22:23]
gabriel_laddel sounds like home [22:23]
mircea_popescu not aryan white, either. dat vampire look, darkhaired goldilocks [22:24]
asciilifeform wai wat [22:24]
mircea_popescu yes. [22:25]
gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/zwz0KnY << does this quality? I've not heard of this "darkhaired goldilocks" before... [22:25]
mircea_popescu i fully expect they elect 15yo christina ricci as the next president. [22:25]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1E48M4t ) [22:25]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [22:25]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/00SWTGT.txt ) [22:25]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel mebbe. [22:26]
mircea_popescu is that you ? [22:26]
gabriel_laddel yeah [22:27]
mircea_popescu all teh cute doods are in b-a i swear. [22:27]
gabriel_laddel :) [22:27]
asciilifeform lol i thought it was pete_dushenski [22:27]
mircea_popescu fwiw, i thought you were like 50. [22:27]
gabriel_laddel me? [22:28]
gabriel_laddel why? [22:28]
mircea_popescu you sound ancient, whadda ya want from me [22:29]
gabriel_laddel lolk. [22:29]
* asciilifeform used to routinely get flames which presumed old age [22:29]
* asciilifeform never fully understood why [22:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036462 << yeah, he is. [22:30]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:25:20; gabriel_laddel: from http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/sam-altman-is-not-blithering-idiot.html [22:30]
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mircea_popescu sam altman is the exact equivalent of britni spears. [22:30]
punkman asciilifeform: because you were shouting "get off my lawn" at them? [22:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform you also sound ancient. [22:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with the difference (see earlier in this thread) being that spears does not operate a multilevel mmmatron for cranking out copies of self [22:31]
gabriel_laddel That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here. [22:31]
mircea_popescu yes, actually, she does. [22:31]
asciilifeform her handlers - yes, do [22:31]
asciilifeform spears ? [22:31]
mircea_popescu spears, altman, both, identically, on all scores. [22:31]
mircea_popescu minus the tits. [22:31]
gabriel_laddel He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing" [22:31]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing [22:31]
mircea_popescu spears thought she "recorded records", altman thinks he "made reddit gain more users than hn has in total" [22:32]
mircea_popescu exactly the same thing [22:32]
asciilifeform but - a hitler, or just a lowly feldfebel ? [22:32]
gabriel_laddel Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right? [22:32]
mircea_popescu a britni spears. [22:32]
mircea_popescu "the most elitest minds of a society" [22:33]
mircea_popescu you know this guy is retarded. [22:33]
mircea_popescu srsly, the most elistest minds OF A SOCIETY ? [22:34]
asciilifeform or employs a monkey to write 'his' communique [22:34]
asciilifeform if good enough for potus,... [22:34]
* mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!" [22:34]
gabriel_laddel lol [22:35]
asciilifeform 'that was the depth gauge, silly' [22:35]
asciilifeform (for readers not zoologically-inclined: herr altman is paul graham's right-hand man / catamite) [22:36]
asciilifeform presently running the pg lulzatron as crown prince [22:36]
mircea_popescu @ BingoBoingo : http://oglaf.com/rally/ [22:36]
assbot Rally 'round the white flag ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYGFEE ) [22:36]
mircea_popescu remarkably on point. [22:39]
asciilifeform http://www.psywarrior.com/PassRebuttalF.jpg [22:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHjSw ) [22:39]
asciilifeform ^ spoof, afaik [22:39]
asciilifeform http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/001/015/930/606_002.jpg?v=1 << example of the real thing [22:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHwVI ) [22:39]
asciilifeform http://www.psywarrior.com/GermanSCP.html [22:40]
assbot Standard Allied Safe Conduct Passes of WWII ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYHL31 ) [22:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036486 << it's called vc circus for a reason. [22:41]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:34:18; gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/ [22:41]
mircea_popescu now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating. [22:41]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent? [22:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49900 @ 0.00041283 = 20.6002 BTC [+] [22:42]
gabriel_laddel also, any more information on the Chinese run? [22:42]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ [22:43]
assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4c5bQ ) [22:43]
mircea_popescu "That'd be your VC circuit : a bunch of old men who have no time to spend with their actual children. They claim this is because "they have to work", but in fact it's because a) they're afraid of their actual children and b) their actual children hate and despise them, in no particular order. This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children, so [22:44]
mircea_popescu that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated." [22:44]
mircea_popescu shit yeah. tyvm [22:44]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#identifier_1_52654 win of all time. [22:44]
assbot Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4cknk ) [22:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036529 << cargo society. [22:45]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:44:28; asciilifeform: but not professional equipment. go figure. [22:45]
mircea_popescu in africa there's a market for gold encrusted trabant, not so much for an actulaly good car. [22:45]
gabriel_laddel "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated." [22:46]
gabriel_laddel this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid. [22:47]
gabriel_laddel he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions [22:47]
mircea_popescu nuts. [22:47]
mircea_popescu the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld! [22:48]
gabriel_laddel I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it. [22:49]
gabriel_laddel If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves. [22:50]
gabriel_laddel The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable. [22:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036553 << you know, just because hunters wear animal skins doesn't mean they're furry animals. [22:50]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 00:51:13; asciilifeform: when you solve certain kinds of problems long enough, and get good enough at it, you start -liking- it [22:50]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel if you got a purpose in mind, you need a tool not a child. [22:51]
mircea_popescu you ever read the discussion wit hthe slaves re the dead rabbit ? [22:51]
gabriel_laddel as to why you killed it and not a wolf? [22:51]
gabriel_laddel yeah [22:51]
mircea_popescu that one. important part there being about understanding the animal is an animal, which is a category of things to be. [22:52]
mircea_popescu liek teh child. in this sense, children are animals. not "people" in the sense of, "just like me". [22:52]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, do go on. [22:52]
gabriel_laddel I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation. [22:53]
gabriel_laddel Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people [22:54]
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mircea_popescu which the fuck is the grasshopper article [22:54]
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gabriel_laddel /s/grasshopper/dragonfly [22:54]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ ? [22:55]
assbot The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYLopK ) [22:55]
gabriel_laddel nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father [22:56]
gabriel_laddel "he refused to stop living" [22:56]
mircea_popescu ah [22:57]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036593 << certainly an apt description ofwhat we're doing here. [22:59]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable. [22:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036601 << you will notice the imperial mooks got utterly owned in that play [22:59]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:07:58; asciilifeform: presently tested against designated foreign 'orcs' (what do you suppose urban battallions in iraq was a dress rehearsal for ?) [23:00]
decimation point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us [23:00]
gabriel_laddel btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course" [23:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036608 << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier. [23:01]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 01:10:09; asciilifeform: right now (see earlier thread) 'fat' is embezzled. what of when 'meat' is ? [23:01]
decimation apparently this is one artifact of the divorce between england and the 'continent' [23:01]
mircea_popescu decimation it's a big deal in yurp [23:01]
mircea_popescu civilised people tend to play it for xmas. [23:01]
decimation right, which is why it amazes me that it's unheard of in the us [23:01]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel no i got that. [23:01]
mircea_popescu coursera et al. [23:01]
gabriel_laddel kk [23:02]
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gabriel_laddel http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/ [23:09]
assbot How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPfmE ) [23:09]
decimation asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks [23:10]
decimation apple assumes that you don't need to use your computer to compute, so it isn't designed for sustained levels of cpu-pegging [23:11]
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decimation asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war' [23:15]
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ben_vulpes "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children". [23:41]
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mod6 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034915 << we still need to have this talk, indeed. I haven't forgotten :] [23:49]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen [23:49]
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