Forum logs for 28 Feb 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
jurov | mtgox has yet to say anything | [00:00] |
Bugpowder | yeah | [00:01] |
Bugpowder | Seems more likely to be real than not. | [00:01] |
Bugpowder | now though | [00:02] |
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Bugpowder | also probably bullish | [00:02] |
Bugpowder | just bought back with my gox cash | [00:02] |
jurov | even if mtgox thing materializes, don't necessarily mean they will make it through to the end of the year | [00:02] |
ThickAsThieves | so does this expose americans to easier gov intervention now? | [00:03] |
Bugpowder | yes | [00:03] |
error4733 | referal or not on bitfunder ? | [00:03] |
Bugpowder | easier compliance | [00:03] |
Bugpowder | with FACTA | [00:03] |
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ThickAsThieves | so for example the gov could say, hey coinlab give us a list of all accounts connected to gox, we wanna run some audits | [00:04] |
ThickAsThieves | it wont even be called gox for americans anymore, heh | [00:05] |
Bugpowder | how many US based gox users sitting with cash in there are going to buy the coins and ship them out before the transfer occurs? | [00:06] |
ThickAsThieves | will it matter? | [00:07] |
Bugpowder | who knows | [00:07] |
ThickAsThieves | what will people use instead | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | aethero's thing | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | I'm not sure if I should be happy or pissed. | [00:08] |
ThickAsThieves | ziggap is all western union stuff | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | fastcash4bitcoins | [00:08] |
ThickAsThieves | moneygram | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | o, that yea. | [00:08] |
ThickAsThieves | etc | [00:08] |
Bugpowder | I have a tangible cryptography account already, so I can still purchase from him | [00:09] |
Bugpowder | where is the panic buying? | [00:09] |
Bugpowder | I guess I overestimated the power of a reddit comment. | [00:09] |
ThickAsThieves | waiting for their gox transfer | [00:09] |
dub | is using coinlab non-optional for amerifags then? | [00:10] |
ThickAsThieves | campbx takes dwolla | [00:10] |
ThickAsThieves | based in GA | [00:10] |
dub | gox using amerifags I mean | [00:10] |
Bugpowder | dub, it might be optimal | [00:10] |
Bugpowder | there are not a lot of easy options | [00:11] |
Bugpowder | for n00bs | [00:11] |
Bugpowder | in the bitcoin ponzi pyramid | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | reddit has powers now !? | [00:11] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [00:33] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://btct.co || https://bitfunder.com || https://icbit.se || https://cryptostocks.com || https://therocktrading.com || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || biased msg: http://bit4x.com | [00:33] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Feb 14 01:53:47 2013 | [00:33] |
pigeons | wtf does coinbase's platform have aqnything to do with "wall street" | [00:38] |
pigeons | *coinlab | [00:38] |
dub | its in amurica | [00:38] |
BitHub | i smell a wallstreet fail | [00:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 15199 @ 0.0063799 = 96.9681 BTC [+] | [00:41] |
dub | 'Coinbase brings bitcoin to the Alabama beef jerky co-operative' doesn't have the same ring | [00:43] |
pigeons | "coinbase announces they are awitching business models again to improve something that they have no experience in that mtgox with the most experience doesn't like handling" | [00:44] |
pigeons | *coinlab | [00:44] |
pigeons | heh | [00:44] |
Bugpowder | hmm | [00:45] |
Bugpowder | is this bullish or bearish? | [00:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 7 @ 0.0063799 = 0.0447 BTC [+] | [00:46] |
ThickAsThieves | It's Finance 2.0, bro | [00:47] |
swhitt | ,,bc,stats | [00:47] |
swhitt | ;;bc,stats | [00:48] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 223486 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 289 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 10 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4415943.46024 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.95123 | [00:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 6 @ 0.119 = 0.714 BTC [+] | [00:49] |
swhitt | 20.1% not bad | [00:49] |
ThickAsThieves | i wonder if asicminer is waiting for the next diff to triple their hashing | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | if that even works | [00:50] |
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Bowjob | http://bitcoinmagazine.com/coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal | [00:52] |
Bowjob | wtf | [00:52] |
kakobrekla | story of the day | [00:53] |
kakobrekla | em i ment spam by now. | [00:53] |
kakobrekla | hehe | [00:53] |
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mircea_popescu | lmao dub | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | im totally going to publish a selection of these quotes. | [01:06] |
Bowjob | http://mineforeman.com/2013/02/28/butterfly-labs-test-wafer-pictures-and-new-chip-details/ | [01:11] |
Bowjob | Mhm.. it looks like bathroom tiles, doesn't it? | [01:11] |
iz | trust us guys.. we really have chips... place your pre-orders! | [01:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 109 @ 0.01 = 1.09 BTC [+] | [01:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.00879 BTC [-] | [01:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 4 @ 0.00879 = 0.0352 BTC [-] | [01:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 314 @ 0.0063799 = 2.0033 BTC [+] | [01:19] |
dub | g-line wat | [01:22] |
dub | oh its a quit | [01:22] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [01:29] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.23000, Best ask: 31.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 31.25000, 24 hour volume: 30050.19888954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.22120 | [01:29] |
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Bowjob | ;;ticker | [01:30] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.03998, Best ask: 31.24987, Bid-ask spread: 0.20989, Last trade: 31.24987, 24 hour volume: 30267.51838954, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.65000, 24 hour vwap: 31.21999 | [01:30] |
Bowjob | theres a 20k btc wall | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | i blame coinlab | [01:31] |
Bowjob | i wonder what the effects of coinlab will be | [01:31] |
Bowjob | if it hurts btc prices, then i'll buy back cheaper | [01:32] |
pigeons | i hope you're sacrcastic, it will have 0 effect | [01:33] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/ | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | it's a dramaparty and everyone's quoted. | [01:41] |
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ThickAsThieves | nice | [01:45] |
ThickAsThieves | i wonder if coinlab is reading | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | that'd require them having a clue. | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | i give it 10:1 against. | [01:46] |
ThickAsThieves | the PR says that americans wont see mtgox branding anymore | [01:48] |
ThickAsThieves | itll be all Coinlabbed up | [01:48] |
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mod6 | BitHub I smell a wallstreet fail. << best comment | [01:49] |
dub | http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jonmatonis/files/2012/10/coinlab-founders.jpg lefty looks like a dude I know (its not), righty looks like he slipped lefty a roofie and is about to get his rape on | [01:52] |
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dub | hat matching shirt. instarapist | [01:53] |
Bugpowder | lol | [01:53] |
Bugpowder | that photo | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | why would they choose that | [01:53] |
kakobreklaa | that hat? | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | "Oh send them that one from the cruise!" | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | photo | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | for the PR | [01:54] |
Bugpowder | This is worse | [01:54] |
Bugpowder | http://coinlab.com/about | [01:54] |
Bugpowder | It is really worrisome | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | they need a new design team | [01:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+] | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | they have Buy buttons on their home page now, when you click, they ask for your phone number, wtf? | [01:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+] | [01:55] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00072 = 0.0022 BTC [+] | [01:55] |
mod6 | (15:54) < ThickAsThieves> "Oh send them that one from the cruise!" << lol | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | o mz brady will be thrilled. | [01:57] |
ThickAsThieves | "Taking You from Zero to Full Stack" | [01:58] |
ThickAsThieves | that's the lead on their "strategy" page | [01:58] |
ThickAsThieves | Rent a Petascale Cluster | [01:58] |
ThickAsThieves | For as little as $80 per hour | [01:58] |
ThickAsThieves | The Bitcoin network is the largest distributed computation cluster in the world. We help it's members provide their computation ability to the highest bidder. | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | it's ?! | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | what, they compete with hashpower too ? | [01:59] |
ThickAsThieves | whats going on | [02:00] |
mod6 | (15:54) < Bugpowder> It is really worrisome << after reading the about page, I couldn't agree more | [02:02] |
ThickAsThieves | They have a "Buy $1M" button | [02:02] |
Bowjob | it worries me if either US or canadian gov't ask for a list of who bought bitcoins when they were cheap | [02:02] |
Bowjob | assuming butcoins fetch for quite a bit | [02:02] |
Bowjob | id would be a hassle for me lol | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | so don't use them | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | who is jose canseco | [02:03] |
mod6 | former baseball player | [02:03] |
Bowjob | wheres the buy 1m button | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | a ok | [02:04] |
ThickAsThieves | really dumb | [02:04] |
ThickAsThieves | did reality shows after he became a nobody | [02:04] |
Bowjob | oh i see it | [02:04] |
Bowjob | theres a sell 1m too | [02:04] |
Bowjob | im sure the gov | [02:05] |
Bowjob | would be very interested in it | [02:05] |
ThickAsThieves | I wonder if they actually have people lined up to buy | [02:06] |
ThickAsThieves | is there a gribble for how many bitcoins will $1mil get me? | [02:07] |
mod6 | ;;market --buy --usd 1000000 | [02:08] |
gribble | A market order to buy 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 30956.035 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 34.3000 USD, resulting in an average price of 32.3039 USD/BTC. | [02:08] |
ThickAsThieves | not as dramatic as i imagined | [02:09] |
Bowjob | they have a storage solution page | [02:09] |
Bowjob | wtf | [02:09] |
Bowjob | so you pay them money to store your bitcoins | [02:09] |
Bowjob | sounds like debit cards | [02:09] |
ThickAsThieves | i guess if youre an investment co, who do you trust with the coins? | [02:10] |
ThickAsThieves | the IT dept? | [02:10] |
thestringpuller | ;;market --ask --usd 1000000 | [02:11] |
gribble | Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--ask" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. | [02:11] |
thestringpuller | ;;market | [02:12] |
gribble | Error: "market" is not a valid command. | [02:12] |
thestringpuller | ;;market --help | [02:12] |
gribble | Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--help" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin. | [02:12] |
thestringpuller | ;;list Market | [02:12] |
gribble | asks, bids, buy, sell, and ticker | [02:12] |
thestringpuller | ;;market --sell --usd 1000000 | [02:12] |
gribble | A market order to sell 1000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would sell 34890.485 bitcoins and would take the last price down to 26.7800 USD, resulting in an average price of 28.6611 USD/BTC. | [02:12] |
ThickAsThieves | whoa | [02:13] |
TomServo | indeed. | [02:13] |
Bowjob | Holy shit | [02:13] |
Bowjob | we are rising | [02:13] |
ThickAsThieves | price just raced up | [02:13] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [02:13] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.22125, Best ask: 31.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.66875, Last trade: 31.89000, 24 hour volume: 38143.57222950, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32046 | [02:13] |
Bowjob | Come on.. just 2 fucking cents | [02:13] |
Bowjob | and we beat ATH | [02:13] |
Bowjob | also, DAT spread | [02:13] |
ThickAsThieves | i predict new high in t-minus 300 seconds | [02:15] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [02:16] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.35000, Best ask: 31.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 31.88000, 24 hour volume: 38153.17698435, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.32077 | [02:16] |
Bowjob | What a tease | [02:17] |
Bowjob | I was about to take a bite then it got pulled away | [02:17] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [02:21] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65000, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01754, Last trade: 31.63000, 24 hour volume: 38971.49310386, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33081 | [02:21] |
ThickAsThieves | i was wrong | [02:21] |
ThickAsThieves | mp is off congregating with legion of bitcoin whales to deal with siteeation | [02:22] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [02:23] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.65001, Best ask: 31.66754, Bid-ask spread: 0.01753, Last trade: 31.66754, 24 hour volume: 39018.81424086, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33168 | [02:23] |
Bowjob | yeap, we got teased | [02:23] |
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thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [02:32] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.70001, Best ask: 31.76999, Bid-ask spread: 0.06998, Last trade: 31.70001, 24 hour volume: 39398.25969646, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 31.89000, 24 hour vwap: 31.33667 | [02:32] |
dub | fuck | [02:36] |
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ThickAsThieves | 31.91 | [02:42] |
ThickAsThieves | .92 | [02:42] |
ThickAsThieves | .93 | [02:46] |
kakobreklaa | 32 | [02:46] |
Namworld | record broken... | [02:47] |
mod6 | ding ding! | [02:47] |
BitHub | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M | [02:47] |
ThickAsThieves | yay! | [02:47] |
ThickAsThieves | CRASH time | [02:47] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [02:47] |
kakobreklaa | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png | [02:48] |
kakobreklaa | ya for sure. | [02:48] |
kakobreklaa | crash on the upwards. | [02:48] |
Bowjob | WOOT | [02:48] |
Bowjob | Congrats mentlegen! | [02:48] |
ThickAsThieves | i mean the smart thing is to take down your asks right now | [02:48] |
Bowjob | Also Adam lost his bet | [02:48] |
ThickAsThieves | then boom | [02:48] |
kakobreklaa | smell 33 | [02:51] |
ThickAsThieves | so we all just got rich | [02:51] |
kakobreklaa | can you? | [02:51] |
ThickAsThieves | thank you coinlab | [02:51] |
Bowjob | In a couple years we will look back on this event.. | [02:52] |
Bowjob | when btc are thousands of dollars each | [02:52] |
kakobreklaa | you will try to but you wont remember | [02:52] |
Bowjob | "lol look at us.. getting excited over a dollar | [02:52] |
Bowjob | now if Yifu can get his act together.. I want my aSIC | [02:52] |
kakobreklaa | ya, a dollar times n is n dollars | [02:52] |
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Namworld | those little stairs over 31 don't look natural on the orderbook... | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [02:54] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.25125, Best ask: 32.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18875, Last trade: 32.44000, 24 hour volume: 52193.36438180, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.44000, 24 hour vwap: 31.50409 | [02:54] |
Namworld | We're in all time high zone | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | getting people to sell bitcoins from now on will be a feat. | [02:55] |
Bowjob | Id prefer to stay in this range for a bit actually | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | i woner how long till 100 | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | a week ? a month ? a year ? a decade >? | [02:56] |
kakobreklaa | 2 years | [02:56] |
kakobreklaa | well no | [02:57] |
ThickAsThieves | a few days | [02:57] |
kakobreklaa | 2014 | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | possibly | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | "obama. started term, btc was 1/10000 of a pizza. ended term, 10`000 pizzas bought one btc" | [02:58] |
dub | down now | [02:58] |
kakobreklaa | hm | [02:58] |
Ukto | [18:54] |
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Ukto | ;) | [02:58] |
Bowjob | it was actually 10000 btc for 2 pizzas | [02:58] |
kakobreklaa | strong bids at 32.7-32.5 | [02:58] |
Bowjob | mhm nvm | [02:59] |
Bowjob | get those investors on dice and ill be happuy | [02:59] |
ThickAsThieves | if they control growth, they'll make a lot more money | [02:59] |
kakobreklaa | at this rate ill never run out of euros | [02:59] |
kakobreklaa | but wtf. | [02:59] |
ThickAsThieves | really the market has been being controlled for a week or two now it looked like | [03:00] |
ThickAsThieves | the slower the rise the more fools will sell | [03:00] |
Bowjob | i wonder what those ltc people will do now | [03:02] |
kakobreklaa | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png | [03:02] |
kakobreklaa | lol | [03:02] |
Namworld | ;;ticker | [03:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.75000, Best ask: 32.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 32.75000, 24 hour volume: 55524.78325419, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 32.80000, 24 hour vwap: 31.57837 | [03:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 1000 @ 1.3881316 = 1388.1316 BTC [-] | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | 1400 btc of pure profit ? | [03:08] |
Bowjob | wow some stupid dude complained about my gile | [03:08] |
Namworld | I've seen you encouraging someone complaining about his gambling problems to keep gambling Bowjob... | [03:09] |
Bowjob | hey my math was solid | [03:10] |
Namworld | A solid loss for the gambler | [03:11] |
Namworld | A solid win for you... | [03:11] |
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Namworld | http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/mtgoxUSD.html | [03:12] |
Namworld | That looks... odd | [03:12] |
dub | guys just a head up, I am satoshi and its time to dump my 500k | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | kthx. | [03:13] |
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Bugpowdr | yeahhhhh | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | kakobreklaa http://bitbet.us/bet/206/bitcoin-market-cap-above-1-billion-before-end/ | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | 2:1 that it's this year. | [03:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P750T] 700 @ 1.38433736 = 969.0362 BTC [-] | [03:18] |
thestringpuller | the whale seems to be using a bullish strategy | [03:19] |
Bowjob | it would be more noble if satoshi refused to own btc due to conflict of interest | [03:20] |
thestringpuller | Satoshi...doesn't...exist | [03:20] |
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mircea_popescu | Bowjob it's pretty well established he doesn't have much if anything. | [03:21] |
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dub | ;;goxlag | [03:21] |
gribble | 30.936965 seconds | [03:21] |
dub | wowow | [03:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 1000 @ 0.26888574 = 268.8857 BTC [+] | [03:21] |
Namworld | wait till it reaches 666.666666 seconds | [03:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 600 @ 0.23935683 = 143.6141 BTC [+] | [03:22] |
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thestringpuller | ;;calc (32 - 31)/ 32 | [03:25] |
gribble | 0.03125 | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (33 - 31)/ 33 | [03:25] |
gribble | 0.0606060606061 | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (42 - 31)/ 42 | [03:25] |
gribble | 0.261904761905 | [03:25] |
kakobreklaa | lol mircea_popescu some hefty sums | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (42 - 33)/ 42 | [03:25] |
gribble | 0.214285714286 | [03:25] |
thestringpuller | bullish position... | [03:25] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [03:26] |
Namworld | I've seen better | [03:26] |
thestringpuller | I'm expecting 40 in march | [03:26] |
Bowjob | 80 in april | [03:27] |
kakobreklaa | 32650 in juptmeber | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | 80 might not hit until july | [03:27] |
Bowjob | eh you guys are too bearish | [03:27] |
Bowjob | 300k by next year | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | XD | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | collapse of the US dollar | [03:27] |
Bowjob | yeah | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | Gold went up almost 100 dollars while bernanke spoke to congress | [03:27] |
thestringpuller | ^- in other news | [03:28] |
kakobreklaa | so i btc will be like 5000 usd or 60 euros | [03:28] |
kakobreklaa | i = 1 | [03:28] |
thestringpuller | QE infinity is going on so if the US goes into hyperinflation that could be plausible... | [03:28] |
Bowjob | wed be trillionairs | [03:30] |
thestringpuller | and trillion dollars will by a stick of gum in that future :P | [03:30] |
dub | ;;ticker --high | [03:30] |
gribble | 33.00000 | [03:30] |
maximian | 40 next week at this rate | [03:32] |
kakobreklaa | at this rate, today. | [03:32] |
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kakobreklaa | ;;ticker --high | [03:32] |
gribble | 33.20000 | [03:32] |
Bowjob | so many bears here | [03:33] |
Bowjob | the wall observer went nuts | [03:36] |
dub | lol fuck | [03:36] |
dub | I just fat finger failed | [03:36] |
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Bowjob | I wonder if that dude who shoved a sharpie up his ass is happy | [03:37] |
kakobreklaa | dub? | [03:37] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [03:37] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03123, Best ask: 33.08039, Bid-ask spread: 0.04916, Last trade: 33.08039, 24 hour volume: 62463.10960810, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.72613 | [03:37] |
thestringpuller | the economy is growing... | [03:37] |
dub | kakobreklaa: I 32'd when I should have 33'd | [03:38] |
Bugpowdr | so funny | [03:38] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [03:38] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: |
[03:38] |
dub | where for art thou smickles | [03:38] |
Bugpowdr | I bot all my gox cash 3 hours ago cause I though it was going to rocket | [03:38] |
Bugpowdr | sketched out | [03:38] |
Bugpowdr | sold all 20 minutes later | [03:38] |
Bugpowdr | now rebought at 32.90 | [03:39] |
Bugpowdr | fucking retarded | [03:39] |
kakobreklaa | :D | [03:39] |
Namworld | I feel tainted... by trading... | [03:39] |
kakobreklaa | raped its called. | [03:39] |
Namworld | No... I'd be the one raping... | [03:39] |
Bowjob | bug.. what happened to your btc short | [03:39] |
Namworld | Tainted is the word. | [03:39] |
Bugpowdr | oh I closed that | [03:41] |
Bugpowdr | long time ago | [03:41] |
Bugpowdr | waited till the 24hprc started going up | [03:41] |
Bugpowdr | ate the loss | [03:41] |
Bugpowdr | sucked | [03:41] |
Bugpowdr | not shorting this rally again | [03:41] |
copumpkin | when you don't short it is when you get screwed | [03:42] |
copumpkin | but when you do, you also get screwed | [03:42] |
copumpkin | just learn to accept the unconditional screwage | [03:42] |
kakobreklaa | so do the oposite | [03:42] |
kakobreklaa | go long. | [03:42] |
Bowjob | win some lose some | [03:43] |
Bowjob | btc is dangerous to short | [03:43] |
Bowjob | I wanted to short LTC no one took me on my offer lol | [03:43] |
Chaang-Noi | we broke the high and i was sleeping??? | [03:48] |
Chaang-Noi | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu | [03:48] |
kakobreklaa | go back to sleep then | [03:48] |
Namworld | Go dream for a while, come back when they're 500 USD/BTC or something | [03:49] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah im back to bed | [03:49] |
Chaang-Noi | bufgr' | [03:49] |
Chaang-Noi | night+ | [03:49] |
Chaang-Noi | wow, nice bid walls, and no real ask walls | [03:51] |
Namworld | yeah | [03:53] |
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thestringpuller | i hope someone isn't hoarding | [03:59] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdr lol mtgox is grateful | [03:59] |
thestringpuller | it'll go up to like 40 and some whale will begin dumping | [03:59] |
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Bugpowdr | yah but now i havemoar | [04:01] |
error4733 | Woooooooooooooooooooow | [04:02] |
error4733 | WTF is going on | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [04:03] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.91578, Best ask: 33.05300, Bid-ask spread: 0.13722, Last trade: 33.05300, 24 hour volume: 63289.54985978, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.75887 | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | this is kinda funnay. | [04:03] |
mircea_popescu | 31.25261933 is price implied by options | [04:03] |
thestringpuller | how'd you come up with that number so fast | [04:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 439 @ 0.01 = 4.39 BTC [+] | [04:04] |
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mircea_popescu | cause of maffs | [04:04] |
thestringpuller | are you taking total volume of each option? | [04:05] |
Namworld | I'm still surprised at getting so much BTC loaned to me considering the interest I offer. | [04:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 235 @ 0.01 = 2.35 BTC [+] | [04:05] |
Chaang-Noi | i wonder if we will see a bubble to $200 or something | [04:05] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: I got 31.653 | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | http://mpex.co/ | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | mpex now publishes 7day oix number | [04:13] |
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Namworld | cool | [04:20] |
Bugpowdr | god damn it | [04:21] |
Bugpowdr | ;;ticker | [04:22] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 31.93788, Best ask: 32.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06212, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 76977.68308630, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.89740 | [04:22] |
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Namworld | bugpowder: what? | [04:26] |
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Bugpowdr | the twin towers fell | [04:29] |
Bugpowdr | I am so bad at day trading | [04:29] |
Namworld | manipulator action going on... | [04:31] |
Namworld | I saw the walls form regular steps or changing place all the time | [04:31] |
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Bugpowdr | Nah dude. The got eaten | [04:32] |
Bugpowdr | look at the volume | [04:32] |
Namworld | ah, okay | [04:32] |
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Namworld | I avoid daytrading | [04:33] |
Bugpowdr | rally is back on | [04:33] |
Namworld | I'm short bitcoin | [04:33] |
Bugpowdr | duuuude | [04:33] |
Bugpowdr | at what price do you blow up? | [04:33] |
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Chaang-Noi | mtgoxlive.com fails for me, is there a better site like it? | [04:34] |
Chaang-Noi | i placed a sell order for 10% of my btc at $200 | [04:34] |
Namworld | www.example.com | [04:34] |
Namworld | It's the same but loads faster. | [04:35] |
Namworld | Shows you nothing | [04:35] |
Namworld | ;;lag | [04:35] |
gribble | Error: "lag" is not a valid command. | [04:35] |
Bugpowdr | clarkmoody | [04:35] |
Bugpowdr | for trades | [04:35] |
Namworld | ;;goxlag | [04:35] |
gribble | 0.204543 seconds | [04:35] |
Bugpowdr | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png | [04:35] |
Bugpowdr | for walls | [04:35] |
Bugpowdr | zoom in on the pic | [04:35] |
Chaang-Noi | ;;goatlag | [04:35] |
gribble | Error: "goatlag" is not a valid command. | [04:35] |
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Bugpowdr | I think we are going to 50 now | [04:36] |
kakobreklaa | prolly not far off | [04:38] |
kakobreklaa | http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/short-term-update-mtgox-daily-chart-13/ | [04:38] |
kakobreklaa | and this is old. | [04:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00629 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 4 @ 0.00629 = 0.0252 BTC [-] | [04:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0063 = 6.3 BTC [+] | [04:40] |
kakobreklaa | usagis silver at 29. | [04:40] |
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Bugpowdr | he is selling half ounces at 1.3BTC though, much cheaper than anywhere else. | [04:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 454 @ 0.00636 = 2.8874 BTC [+] | [04:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00639 = 0.0192 BTC [+] | [04:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10039 @ 0.0064 = 64.2496 BTC [+] | [04:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0064 = 0.064 BTC [+] | [04:42] |
Bugpowdr | whoa | [04:42] |
Bugpowdr | thats big for BTCTC | [04:42] |
Namworld | what? No | [04:43] |
Namworld | BTCTC has about 2.3k 30d volume right now | [04:43] |
Namworld | Done mostly on higher day. | [04:44] |
Namworld | With dead periods in-between | [04:44] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-the-oix/ | [04:46] |
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Bowjob | mhm | [04:48] |
Bowjob | ;;ticker | [04:48] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.45988, Best ask: 32.58915, Bid-ask spread: 0.12927, Last trade: 32.45988, 24 hour volume: 79609.88962262, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.91584 | [04:48] |
Bowjob | 32.45.. down from 33 | [04:48] |
Bowjob | CRASH!!! | [04:48] |
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Bugpowdr | it hit 31.40 taking out 15,000 BTC on the way | [04:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C510T] 20 @ 0.0915995 = 1.832 BTC | [04:54] |
Bowjob | i have a confession.. i actually dont know how to mine bitcoins | [04:56] |
Bowjob | yet i jumped on the avalon bandwagon | [04:57] |
Bowjob | lol | [04:57] |
kakobreklaa | #bitcoin-church | [04:57] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [05:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.60001, Best ask: 32.60490, Bid-ask spread: 0.00489, Last trade: 32.60490, 24 hour volume: 80058.57461354, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.92017 | [05:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 4 @ 0.26985946 = 1.0794 BTC [+] | [05:03] |
Bugpowdr | The buy must have been triggered by the are technia article | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | !ticker s.bbet | [05:03] |
assbot | I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs. | [05:03] |
Bugpowdr | God DAMN it | [05:03] |
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mircea_popescu | !ticker m s.bbet | [05:03] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 / 0.00196499 (298 shares, 0.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00196487 / 0.00196488 / 0.001965 (3303 shares, 6.49 BTC), 30D: 0.0003 / 0.00147341 / 0.001965 (77565 shares, 114.29 BTC) | [05:03] |
Bugpowdr | I had advanced knowledge and I fucked it up. | [05:03] |
Bugpowdr | Let's just get up to 50 so I can forget about this troubled time in my life. | [05:04] |
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Chaang-Noi | techbia artical? | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdr i really don't think it was any article. | [05:05] |
Bugpowdr | it was the coinlab news | [05:05] |
Bugpowdr | people understand what easier US market access will do to the price. | [05:06] |
Chaang-Noi | the one about coinlab helping instatutional investers was pretty damn bullish | [05:06] |
Bugpowdr | Fucking firepower | [05:06] |
Chaang-Noi | ah | [05:06] |
Bugpowdr | $100 | [05:06] |
Bugpowdr | is gonna happen | [05:06] |
Chaang-Noi | yeah, i wonder if people knew about that and they bought it all up | [05:06] |
Bugpowdr | THat's why I bought back | [05:06] |
Chaang-Noi | i never sold, have a sell over for 10% at $200 | [05:06] |
kakobrekla | im gonna redesign bitbet when 100 happens | [05:08] |
Bowjob | eh | [05:08] |
Bowjob | just hold it and forget it | [05:08] |
Bowjob | simplest strategy | [05:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [05:09] |
Bowjob | had you forgotten about btc in 2011 | [05:09] |
Bowjob | and checked it in 2013, ud go.. yawn | [05:09] |
kakobrekla | and if everybody does that, few years from now not a single node will be runing | [05:09] |
kakobrekla | everyone forgot. | [05:09] |
Bowjob | lol | [05:09] |
Bowjob | well, its a dillema | [05:09] |
Bowjob | ill be mining soon so i wont forget | [05:09] |
Bowjob | ill ride this horse wherever it takes me | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | Chaang-Noi you never sold what exactly ? whatever was left after paying out for the TYGRR.BOND (100% Insured Pirate Bonds) | [05:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C350T] 5 @ 0.21653437 = 1.0827 BTC [+] | [05:15] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.35 = 3.15 BTC [+] | [05:17] |
Chaang-Noi | mircea_popescu i did pay that out in full | [05:32] |
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aiball | is the s.dice dividend still 14K? | [05:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 4 @ 0.1 = 0.4 BTC [+] | [05:35] |
Bugpowdr | ~13 | [05:35] |
aiball | thanks | [05:36] |
Bowjob | could it be the buy was a panic buy | [05:38] |
Bowjob | because coinlab.. | [05:38] |
Bowjob | will bring customers closer to IRS | [05:38] |
Bugpowdr | yes I considered that as well | [05:38] |
BitHub | yeah good work coinlab | [05:38] |
Bugpowdr | buy with cash on hand | [05:38] |
BitHub | n00bs | [05:38] |
Bowjob | yeah | [05:38] |
Bugpowdr | then get the coins out | [05:38] |
BitHub | bring wallstreet to bitcoin | [05:38] |
Bowjob | that makes sense | [05:39] |
BitHub | good work n0000bs | [05:39] |
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Bowjob | .. i wont ever touch coinlab with a ten foot pole | [05:39] |
Bowjob | that sicky | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | The cash for that buy was proablbly already in there | [05:39] |
BitHub | same | [05:39] |
aiball | so, my mtgox purchase 6 months ago is on the IRS books now? | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | who knows, maybe they will do a good job | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | nah | [05:39] |
aethero | aiball is it retroactive? | [05:39] |
BitHub | nah | [05:39] |
Bowjob | nah | [05:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2457 @ 0.00074124 = 1.8212 BTC [-] | [05:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074124 = 7.4124 BTC [-] | [05:39] |
Bowjob | it will be if you use coinlab | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | unless you are 50k | [05:39] |
BitHub | they'll be the first to get slaughted | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | $50k+ | [05:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00073982 = 0.4572 BTC [-] | [05:39] |
Bugpowdr | will be the first to be examined | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | then $10k+ | [05:40] |
BitHub | we're talking about taxes here | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | FACTA violators | [05:40] |
BitHub | its game over | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | etc | [05:40] |
Bowjob | if BTC gets high enough, the govt might actually dig through 100 dollar buys | [05:40] |
Bowjob | and hunt those people | [05:40] |
aiball | aethero I was asking your question | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | i doubt it | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | just report it | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | buys don't matter anyway | [05:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6795 BTC [-] | [05:40] |
Bugpowdr | sales matter | [05:41] |
Bugpowdr | unless they really are treating BTC as a foreign currency that is to be market to market at year end | [05:41] |
Bugpowdr | If you want BTC to hit $1000, there are some things that are gonna have to happen first | [05:42] |
Chaang-Noi | $1000 should be in 3 years or maybe more, lots of time | [05:43] |
Chaang-Noi | what is better on linux a i3 2130 or an amd 955? | [05:43] |
Chaang-Noi | most for doing btc stuff | [05:43] |
aiball | Bugpowder I agree, Like Butch and Sundance didn't need to keep watch until they had the payroll | [05:43] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.6795 = 4.077 BTC [-] | [05:56] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.278 BTC [-] | [06:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2701 = 0.5402 BTC [-] | [06:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.27 = 1.89 BTC [-] | [06:04] |
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Bowjob | mhm.. i wonder if this is allowed | [06:05] |
Bowjob | i just cash in enough BTC to hit the limit of a poor person | [06:06] |
Bowjob | so i wont have to pay income tas | [06:06] |
Bowjob | x | [06:06] |
Bowjob | but i have enough BTC worth hundreds of thousands of dollars | [06:06] |
Bowjob | is that legit? | [06:06] |
Namworld | If your BTC has appreciated in value, I think you don't need to declare that value increase until you sell them. So yes. But speak to an accountant. | [06:07] |
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Namworld | It's like when you have income. You pay your taxes, then let's say you buy stocks. If they raise in value, you don't pay taxes on that until you sell, at which point the price difference becomes capital gains. | [06:08] |
ThickAsThieves | IRS going back thru records is kinda pointless | [06:08] |
Namworld | Laws & regulations vary by country/state tho | [06:08] |
ThickAsThieves | no way for them to know how much btc you have | [06:08] |
ThickAsThieves | they'd only care about coins sold | [06:09] |
ThickAsThieves | income | [06:09] |
Namworld | Probably that too. | [06:09] |
Bowjob | i can sell around 13k | [06:10] |
Bowjob | and wont have to work for the whole year | [06:11] |
Bowjob | then i dont pay taxes | [06:11] |
Bowjob | lol | [06:11] |
Bowjob | but what if i use btc directly | [06:11] |
Bowjob | they wont know | [06:11] |
Namworld | They might not but that's supposed to be declared. | [06:11] |
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Eduard_Munteanu | The interesting thing is stock brokers here retain the tax as soon as you sell. | [06:12] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Not the end of the year, or the month or anything. Immediately. | [06:12] |
Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, they also report some stuff you still owe to the man. | [06:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 0.99 = 1.98 BTC [-] | [06:14] |
topace_ | hey mircea_popescu you there? still working on this auto-push-receipt processing... | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | topace_ ya ? | [06:15] |
topace_ | i cant just hash the receipt to get a unique id because then doing something as simple as changing the comment in th e sig would change the hash and stilll validate | [06:15] |
mircea_popescu | change the comment in what sig ? | [06:16] |
topace_ | Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) | [06:16] |
topace_ | i can change that line on the receipt and it still validates | [06:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00074829 = 4.6499 BTC [+] | [06:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0007522 = 4.9645 BTC [+] | [06:17] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00075379 = 5.2275 BTC [+] | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | but you hash the signed part not the headers | [06:17] |
topace_ | and if i try to just grab the actual signature hash, that can still be changed adn still validate | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | how ? | [06:17] |
topace_ | iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ | [06:17] |
topace_ | n9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg= | [06:17] |
topace_ | =DWpV | [06:17] |
topace_ | is the signature on this receipt | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | ok | [06:17] |
topace_ | if i add a 1 to teh end of it, it still validates | [06:18] |
topace_ | =DWpV1 | [06:18] |
topace_ | as the last line | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | uhm | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | it validates with a broken checksum ?! | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | brb i gotta check this | [06:18] |
topace_ | i can actually add anything concatenated to the end | [06:18] |
topace_ | and it still validates | [06:18] |
topace_ | iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQ | [06:19] |
topace_ | n9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg= | [06:19] |
topace_ | =DWpVadsfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf | [06:19] |
topace_ | -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | [06:19] |
topace_ | validates too | [06:19] |
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mircea_popescu | wait. | [06:20] |
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mircea_popescu | none of this is actually a problem | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | the last line is always a =xyzk 4 characters checksum of the foregoing | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | if the checksum is broken it doesn't actually validate | [06:22] |
mircea_popescu | if more shit is added at the end that doesn't actually matter. | [06:22] |
topace_ | ahh, so I should only be considering the 2 lines of the signature hash? | [06:22] |
topace_ | is it always 2 lines? | [06:23] |
topace_ | (with a 3rd as checksum?) | [06:23] |
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topace_ | hmm nope, i can concatenate the two lines into one and it validates.. i can combine all 3 lines onto one, and it validates too... | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | the structure of a gpg signed message is, there's a header (begin blabla, comment whatever), then a message, then a signature ehader, then the signature | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | which may be however long, mine are usually 6 lines | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | and then a 1 line checksum as a =4char | [06:23] |
mircea_popescu | and then a close | [06:23] |
topace_ | does the = at the end of the sig (before the checksum) designate the end of the signature? | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | no, that's base64 filler | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | you can have 0, 1 or 2 | [06:25] |
topace_ | so how can i reliably filter out just the signature? if there's no logical separator? | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | the gpg parser mostly ignores spaces/newlines/etc EXCEPT it wants a newline after the begin sig tag | [06:26] |
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topace_ | all on one line: iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV | [06:27] |
topace_ | validates too | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | put it on the same line with -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | [06:27] |
topace_ | so if there can be crap after the end, how do i know where to stop reading characters that are actually part of the signature | [06:28] |
topace_ | yea it definitely needs a blank line after the BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE line | [06:28] |
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mircea_popescu | yes. | [06:28] |
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mircea_popescu | within the signature block, a =j61e type string is the end (cause it's the checksum) | [06:29] |
topace_ | but if there's no way of knowing how long the signature is expected to be, and it allows adding crap at the end, again, how do i know where to stop reading the characters of the 'actual' signature | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | cause when you reach the checksum it's ended | [06:29] |
topace_ | but how can you be sure you've reached the checksum? | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | because it's a 5 char string starting with = | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | (the = char may not be part of the signature cause it's not in the base64 list) | [06:31] |
blu3gr1ffon | ;;ticker | [06:31] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.14001, Best ask: 32.35299, Bid-ask spread: 0.21298, Last trade: 32.35599, 24 hour volume: 81740.26344155, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.94954 | [06:31] |
topace_ | so i'd also have to trim off the = before the =4chr | [06:32] |
topace_ | because it can be there or not and it still validates | [06:32] |
topace_ | iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==DWpV | [06:32] |
topace_ | iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg=DWpV | [06:32] |
topace_ | both validate | [06:32] |
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topace_ | as does | [06:32] |
topace_ | iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg==========DWpV | [06:32] |
mircea_popescu | yes, because = is padding in base64 | [06:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 13 @ 0.35 = 4.55 BTC [+] | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | =*w{4} would be the regex | [06:34] |
topace_ | okay, so im just doing / ([A-Z0-9]+)/ ? |
[06:34] |
topace_ | then using that as my unique identifier to ensure i never double-process the same receipt? | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | well no. | [06:34] |
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mircea_popescu | basically, here's what you do : | [06:36] |
mircea_popescu | 1. you look for -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----. if not found, kill the task. if found : | [06:37] |
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mircea_popescu | 2. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | 3. you look for the -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- tag. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | 4. you wipe the first line after it no matter what it contains, and as many empty lines only after that | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | 5. you look for an = and wipe everything from that point forward (including it) | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | 6. you wipe all space/newline in your string | [06:39] |
mircea_popescu | 7. i hope i've not forgotten anything | [06:39] |
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topace_ | yea.. okay that makes sense.. | [06:40] |
topace_ | so i end up with just iD8DBQFRJRZakhT8a/G2mSERAtfRAJ9LBtdI5x2a7WwNqZMTLLoaWV/rFACfRvtQn9TB69az5+U9gPxX7BRkrgg | [06:40] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | is mpex signature seriously that short ?! | [06:41] |
topace_ | heh ya | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | no wonder im changing it. | [06:41] |
topace_ | on the push receipt im using as a sample at least | [06:41] |
topace_ | then i should still take a hash of the signature, and use the hash as my unique identifier? | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | well, i guess you can use the signature only. | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | tho i'd imagine a whole message digest works too | [06:43] |
jurov | interesting, this signature stuff | [06:44] |
topace_ | if you sign the same thing multiple times, the signature will always be different though, right? | [06:45] |
topace_ | if i was going to do a digest of the whole message, i'd have to do it based on a post-processed data (removing the comments and the blank lines, etc) | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | if you sign the same thing multiple times the sig will be different yes | [06:46] |
topace_ | becuase one stray would cause a different digest for the same receipt |
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topace_ | okay excellent, i think that gives me enough to get this implemented tomorrow.. bedtime now! thanks for your help! | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | as long as you wipe the comment lines | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | (one after begin message tag, one after begin signature tag) and non-base64 chars you should be ok. | [06:47] |
topace_ | oo actually gnupg_verify() will return the plaintext portion of hte message for me (but not the signature portion) | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | i think it returns the sig digest too | [06:48] |
topace_ | nope.. just the fingerprint | [06:48] |
ThickAsThieves | BFL wired chip: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/dbtgallery.php?do=gallery_image&id=596&gal=gallery&type=full | [06:51] |
topace_ | im out.. g'nite! | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves that looks ready for delivery | [06:53] |
jurov | OIX looks nice... lol, good it wasn't around last weekend when i did my assorted next month calls shopping | [06:54] |
jurov | they had breakeven around 50 :D | [06:55] |
ThickAsThieves | in other news, a new jimi hendrix album | [06:57] |
ThickAsThieves | heh | [06:57] |
ThickAsThieves | sounds pretty good too, if you like jimi | [06:57] |
jurov | mircea_popescu i see my coinlab bet proposal being refunded, why? | [07:02] |
mircea_popescu | mmm no idea | [07:02] |
jurov | or it was just already paid out? lol | [07:02] |
ThickAsThieves | kako no like | [07:02] |
mircea_popescu | um. link ? or be speciffic. | [07:03] |
jurov | i'll try to reconstruct it from memory: CoinLab will close or cease bitcoin payments by end of this year | [07:04] |
jurov | bet will resolve as YEs when coinlab.com will be unavailable through 7 days straight, too. | [07:04] |
jurov | ^ that | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | what time did you put it in ? | [07:09] |
jurov | [07:11] | |
jurov | i did it awhile after that | [07:11] |
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mircea_popescu | ah ok | [07:12] |
mircea_popescu | looking into this | [07:12] |
jurov | i suspect i may have mixed coinbase/coinlab.. | [07:13] |
jurov | maybe after a while i get so confused so i'll mention coinbr along with them it and havoc ensues :D | [07:13] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [07:14] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8970 @ 0.0007 = 6.279 BTC [-] | [07:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 8615 @ 0.0007 = 6.0305 BTC [-] | [07:21] |
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jurov | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/in-bid-for-credibility-largest-bitcoin-exchange-moves-to-silicon-valley/ | [07:27] |
jurov | ars managed to put a foot into their mouth as well | [07:27] |
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jurov | almost as if coinlab bought mtgox | [07:28] |
jurov | And placing the exchange's funds within US jurisdiction will make it harder for the firm to disappear with customers' cash. | [07:29] |
jurov | ftw | [07:29] |
kakobrekla | jurov are you already or still up this morning | [07:30] |
toffoo | ThickAsThieves: where did you get it? | [07:30] |
jurov | still up, unfortunately | [07:30] |
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kakobrekla | aha so its you, mircea and me, the three fucked yuropean | [07:31] |
kakobrekla | or am i missing someone | [07:31] |
kakobrekla | yuropeans* | [07:31] |
jurov | yup | [07:31] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-the-oix/ | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | updated with a historical oix graph | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | which is kinda cool | [07:32] |
ThickAsThieves | toffoo, where did i get what | [07:34] |
jurov | hate to nitpick, but 10 decimal places? two are sufficient for such index | [07:34] |
jurov | (unless btc falls below 1, ofc) | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | jurov no, 10 decimals!!1 | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | satoshicents | [07:34] |
kakobrekla | yeah that is ridiculus. | [07:35] |
kakobrekla | at least make it 8 | [07:35] |
jurov | i stand corrected. i can now imagine the hysteria on #assets "crash!! oix down 0.5 satoshi!!" | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | teh end of the werlds | [07:36] |
jurov | as soon as bowjob learns about it | [07:36] |
toffoo | ThickAsThieves: your new hendrix album | [07:36] |
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mircea_popescu | but srsly, i envisage this being used as a replacement for satoshi dice random number generator | [07:36] |
jurov | not sure if serious | [07:37] |
kakobrekla | http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ | [07:37] |
kakobrekla | this is getting hot-er | [07:37] |
mircea_popescu | lol at leet bet | [07:39] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.npr.org/2013/02/27/172992228/first-listen-jimi-hendrix-people-hell-and-angels?sc=fb&cc=fmp | [07:40] |
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mircea_popescu | BFL_Josh | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | Chips almost bumped, shipping on week of 4 - or 11 at the latest | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | what, srsly ? | [07:40] |
jurov | let the trolls descend http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/introducing-the-oix/ | [07:40] |
jurov | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19dqcd/mpoe_introduced_bitcoin_price_sentiment_indicator/ | [07:40] |
jurov | ^ i meant this | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | a ok | [07:40] |
jurov | yup it used the graph as thumbnail | [07:41] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.00072 = 0.0036 BTC [+] | [07:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 150 @ 0.00643 = 0.9645 BTC [-] | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | http://mpex.co/ | [07:56] |
mircea_popescu | improved by user request | [07:56] |
kakobrekla | cool! | [07:57] |
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jurov | in the parentheses are next month/this month? | [08:01] |
jurov | but then, 23.73 seems too low | [08:03] |
mircea_popescu | no it's calls / puts | [08:03] |
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jurov | good mornin Chaang-Noi | [08:07] |
kakobrekla | tanking nao | [08:07] |
jurov | we'll see when americans "wake up to" it | [08:09] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [08:09] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.10207, Best ask: 32.26999, Bid-ask spread: 0.16792, Last trade: 32.26999, 24 hour volume: 83302.39912401, 24 hour low: 30.79010, 24 hour high: 33.20000, 24 hour vwap: 31.96821 | [08:09] |
kakobrekla | well i was trying to be funny | [08:09] |
kakobrekla | is all | [08:09] |
kakobrekla | since sleeping goats have positive effects of crypto currencies price | [08:10] |
jurov | what we do with goats when they wake up? | [08:13] |
jurov | we milk them! | [08:13] |
kakobrekla | i thought we sacrifice them | [08:13] |
kakobrekla | for gods n stuff | [08:13] |
jurov | lmao | [08:13] |
kakobrekla | but yeah, get the milk first | [08:13] |
kakobrekla | no point in waisting that. | [08:13] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google goatfucker | [08:14] |
gribble | Urban Dictionary: goatfucker: |
[08:14] |
mircea_popescu | ungulates only produce milk if they're pregnant you know. | [08:14] |
jurov | hm, i milked goats late in summer myself... and i know they give milk for whole year | [08:16] |
jurov | dunno about fucking. was never so desperate. | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/#c218 | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | 7.4 : 6.19 | [08:18] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.00072 BTC [+] | [08:22] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [17:59] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://btct.co || https://bitfunder.com || https://icbit.se || https://cryptostocks.com || https://therocktrading.com || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || biased msg: http://bit4x.com | [17:59] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Feb 14 01:53:47 2013 | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [17:59] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.60110, Best ask: 33.60111, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 33.60111, 24 hour volume: 94092.99709452, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.83941, 24 hour vwap: 32.37123 | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | le wow. | [17:59] |
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mod6 | she bangs | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | this month is already 10% up it hasn't even started. | [18:05] |
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mircea_popescu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She_Bangs | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | what do you know, retardopedia has a 5000 word entry on the topic. | [18:07] |
mod6 | haha, here's the original vid quite the laugh: http://youtu.be/0d5eP0wWLQY | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | i remember teenybopers were crazy about it not so long ago. | [18:08] |
mod6 | i remember watching that on tv like omg SHE BANGS! this kid is on turbo mode. | [18:09] |
mod6 | epic fails are epic | [18:09] |
blu3gr1ffon | ;ticker | [18:10] |
blu3gr1ffon | ;;ticker | [18:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66888, Best ask: 33.88997, Bid-ask spread: 0.22109, Last trade: 33.66888, 24 hour volume: 95511.46006840, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.39862 | [18:10] |
mircea_popescu | so bfl delivered yet ? | [18:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/265/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-april-1st/ lol 11:7 against for april. mmmmkay | [18:11] |
mod6 | lol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144422.msg1568000#msg1568000 | [18:11] |
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thestringpuller | mod6 | [18:23] |
thestringpuller | i need to talk witchoo | [18:23] |
mod6 | yoh ok | [18:26] |
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mircea_popescu | lol as a result of the discussions here, mtgox came out with a forum post in support of coinbase. | [18:31] |
Bugpowdrr | coinlab? | [18:32] |
nOgAnOo | http://bitcoinmagazine.com/coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal/ | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowdrr http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/#comment-92223 | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | i find from commenters. | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | nOgAnOo you're about a day late ? | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | I just rejoined bitcoin today | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | after 3 years | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | thank you | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | Sorry I'm 24 hours late on the news post | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | Oh master of bitcoins. | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | Was trying to help. | [18:34] |
nOgAnOo | I sincerely apologize. | [18:34] |
thestringpuller | lol mircea_popescu the btc Fed chair | [18:34] |
mircea_popescu | nOgAnOo now now, don't get excited. how was your vacation ? | [18:35] |
thestringpuller | mircea benaneke i will call him | [18:35] |
nOgAnOo | Sad, I have .43 | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | aw! | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller i dun has a heli. | [18:35] |
nOgAnOo | I just updated my client from .3.20 | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | "Liquidity requires symmetric information, which is easiest to achieve when everyone is ignorant. This determines the design of many securities, including the design of debt and securitization" | [18:35] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [18:35] |
nOgAnOo | Wow it seems you posted a link a few seconds after mine quoting my link! | [18:37] |
nOgAnOo | It seems I was relevant after all? | [18:37] |
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nOgAnOo | :) | [18:37] |
ThickAsThieves | so they are watching | [18:37] |
nOgAnOo | “coinlab-bringing-bitcoin-to-wall-street-with-mtgox-deal” | [18:37] |
ThickAsThieves | heh | [18:37] |
pigeons | mtgox still doesnt explain what it even means | [18:37] |
jcpham | 2 thumbs down | [18:37] |
jcpham | vague press is vague | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons yes but then again they never don't and usually don't even know what anything means. | [18:38] |
nOgAnOo | Easier for corporations to buy mass amounts of bitcoins | [18:38] |
pigeons | ooo, now you get another middleman! | [18:38] |
nOgAnOo | Cheaper transactions | [18:38] |
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ThickAsThieves | because if they did, everyone would know that gox basically raped CoinLab investors for a chance to make bitcoin available to dummies | [18:38] |
pigeons | and in a horrible country for financial transactions! | [18:38] |
pigeons | nOgAnOo: that makes no sense | [18:38] |
jcpham | if coinlab doesn't pull a rabbit out of their hat, i predict they are over | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | well, i appreciate at tleast the part where they read up on what they fucked up and try to fix it | [18:39] |
jcpham | that is a solid prediction | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | course, fixing it in their usual dodderingway, but at least the attempt is there. | [18:39] |
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mircea_popescu | which all boils down to jcpham being basically right : | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | all they need now is the rabbit out of a hat and they'll survive. | [18:39] |
ThickAsThieves | i think theyll do it | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, asicminer thread over 100 pages. | [18:40] |
ThickAsThieves | it only takes a few million in attention | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | that's 2000 posts+ | [18:40] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder if it ever will be the case that total blocks mined by asicminer > total posts made in asicminer thread. | [18:41] |
ThickAsThieves | 1000 posts confirming satoshis hehe | [18:41] |
pigeons | mtgox has quite low margins anyway and coinlab has a reputation at not understanding how to make money | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons the sad news in all of this is mtgox basically saying "the us market is not worth serving" | [18:43] |
mircea_popescu | if anything;'s a ghetto i dunno what else it would be. | [18:43] |
ThickAsThieves | i dunno dont you think gox is probably shedding 80% of the work for .2% of the profit? | [18:44] |
pigeons | well its been true. exchb was a good example. | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | (meanwhile @the red house, bob woodward is "being punished") | [18:44] |
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pigeons | some telling info on the faqs at http://coinlab.com/transition | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35775.msg1565186#msg1565186 | [18:46] |
Bugpowder | severely not severally | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | this is pretty heavy, first actual usecase for ripple | [18:46] |
pigeons | "Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market." | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | transferring peter lambert assets. | [18:46] |
nOgAnOo | https://twitter.com/coinlab | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder you mean in the article ? | [18:46] |
jcpham | coinlab is pissing me off for changing their business model and delaying things | [18:46] |
Bugpowder | the title | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/28/you-will-regret-the-full-threat-email-a-top-white-house-official-sent-bob-woodward/ | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder joint and several, jointly and severally. | [18:46] |
Bugpowder | multiple | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | ok | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | kewl | [18:47] |
jcpham | i hope coinlab succeeds though | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | yeah | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | coinlab better succeed | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | or crash city | [18:47] |
Bugpowder | if they do succeed though, gonna be nice pump | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder it will crash sometime in late summer/early autumn, probably taking some people's btc with them. | [18:48] |
pigeons | they won't succeed and i dont see it affecting price either way | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | the effect on the exchange rate will be nil. | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | drat pigeons beat me to it. | [18:48] |
Bugpowder | I really dislike the 'folksy' style of their communication. | [18:48] |
mod6 | trying to watch these idiots on CNBC/CNN/Faux others + washington try to keep the shit inside the horse is quite comica. | [18:48] |
Bugpowder | Bro, be chill we are like totally secure dude | [18:48] |
mod6 | *comical. | [18:48] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147603.msg1567583#msg1567583 sgornick has a total blank moment. | [18:49] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 i get reports :) | [18:49] |
pigeons | coinlab used to say they had "lots" of hpc clients lined up for gpu mininers work, anytime i tried to get details the answer was "lots of people pay for password cracking" and that work obviously never showed up so i question their honesty as well | [18:49] |
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splnkr | i'd say the real question isn't whether coinlab can deliver but whether wall street will bite | [18:50] |
jcpham | http://coinlab.com/liquidity | [18:50] |
jcpham | wtf is this website | [18:50] |
pigeons | yeah they are offering tools no one wants or needs | [18:51] |
ThickAsThieves | they removed the Buy $1m bitcoins buttons | [18:51] |
jcpham | coinlab.com used to point to some funky WURM online game | [18:51] |
jcpham | Give us a call at 855-Lab-Coin or drop us a line to ask us about: | [18:51] |
jcpham | Foreign Exchange Liquidity Provision | [18:51] |
jcpham | Large Transactions | [18:51] |
jcpham | Custom Orders / Standing Orders | [18:51] |
jcpham | Full-Service Support for Family and Institutional Wealth | [18:51] |
jcpham | goddamnit you motherfuckers coinlab | [18:51] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons there's more good reason to question their honesty | [18:52] |
mircea_popescu | loads of little things cropping up, like the habit of cancelling trades when price goes up then paying off those who throw a stink on forum | [18:53] |
pigeons | mircea_popescu: that's coinbase | [18:53] |
mircea_popescu | there's a difference ? | [18:53] |
Bicknellski | Mt. Gox really wants to be 100% out of the US/Canada market. | [18:53] |
pigeons | yes coinbase is the ycombinator/pgraham one | [18:53] |
pigeons | coinbase is a gox front end with extra fees and extra problems | [18:53] |
ThickAsThieves | this is a sad twitter account | [18:53] |
ThickAsThieves | 210 followers | [18:54] |
pigeons | coinlab is a former mining pool that overpaid so they could keep users for when they got non bitcoin hashing work that never showed up | [18:54] |
ThickAsThieves | theyu follow SatoshiDice | [18:54] |
leotreasure | asicmining divs are out | [18:54] |
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pigeons | coinbase was giving out .1 btc for account refferals when they started and was gonna implement a big pyramid scheme but the rising price killed that | [18:56] |
Diablo-D3 | did asicminer just push out the real dividend? | [18:56] |
leotreasure | yep :D | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons you said coinbase twice. | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | i am confused. | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | isn't coinlab run by the same people who run coinbase ? | [18:56] |
pigeons | no | [18:57] |
pigeons | today i have been using coinbase to refer to coinbase and coinlab to refer oinlab | [18:57] |
pigeons | yesterday i was not so accurate | [18:58] |
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mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 so have they scrapped their exchange or wtf are they doing ? | [18:58] |
mircea_popescu | who's coinlab then ? | [18:58] |
pigeons | http://coinlab.com/about | [18:58] |
pigeons | https://coinbase.com/about | [18:58] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: theres plans in the works Im not allowed to talk about | [18:59] |
pigeons | http://pool.coinlab.com/partners/goats | [19:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4537 @ 0.00075999 = 3.4481 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00075999 = 0.38 BTC [+] | [19:01] |
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mircea_popescu | pigeons youy're kidding, right ? | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/12/y-combinator-alum-memsql-raises-2-1-million-from-ashton-kutcher-sv-angel-and-more/ | [19:01] |
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pigeons | i'm kidding about what? | [19:02] |
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Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: I hate TC, honestly | [19:02] |
Diablo-D3 | they report news like shit | [19:02] |
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mircea_popescu | pigeons vessenes is ycombinator. | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | the two ventures are in no way distinct. | [19:02] |
Diablo-D3 | y combinator is a group of VCs, btw | [19:03] |
Diablo-D3 | theres a few y combinator VCs that represent VC companies | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | ycombinator is a team of dorks. | [19:03] |
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mircea_popescu | the vcs that get sucked in are usually innocent | [19:03] |
splnkr | well, dorks backed by vc | [19:03] |
splnkr | everyone's right | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, everytime they can be fooled into it. | [19:04] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: ycombinator isnt a team of dorks | [19:04] |
Diablo-D3 | I think they invest rather too readily, though | [19:04] |
jcpham | me too | [19:04] |
Diablo-D3 | actually, maybe thats not it | [19:04] |
Diablo-D3 | they invest too much too readily | [19:04] |
jcpham | vc techno-fanbois | [19:04] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham nothing wrong with throwingmoney around in principle | [19:04] |
Diablo-D3 | its okay to invest small amounts in iffy ventures if you're hedging bets | [19:04] |
splnkr | perhaps narrowly is the word | [19:04] |
mircea_popescu | if you're sitting on a few bn, it makes sense to peel the odd million to aggitated kids. | [19:05] |
Diablo-D3 | they want to invest in the next google | [19:05] |
Diablo-D3 | instead, they get the next yahoo | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | you never know when you need a cock sucked. | [19:05] |
splnkr | well, honestly, the vc game is like that by nature. you can't predict the future. you have to place a bunch of bets and hope one hits it big | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [19:05] |
splnkr | like the hollywood box office model | [19:05] |
mircea_popescu | which is why i say, teh vcs are mostly innocent | [19:05] |
Diablo-D3 | splnkr: actually, I _can_ predict the future | [19:05] |
pigeons | thanks i thought they were distinct. the combination lowers my esteem for both of them | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | but the sort of shit ycombinator pushes is horrible. | [19:06] |
splnkr | Diablo-D3: don't be wasting your time here then! | [19:06] |
blu3gr1f1on | like coinbase? | [19:06] |
Diablo-D3 | splnkr: that isnt it | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | blu3gr1f1on like airbnb | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | which is what soured me on them entirely. | [19:06] |
mircea_popescu | coupla years ago i was living with a generally good opinion of them and graham | [19:06] |
splnkr | what do you mean then | [19:06] |
Diablo-D3 | if I understand the business plan, if I meet the founders and drill the shit out of them and they pass, and if the market they're going into is a logical choice | [19:06] |
Diablo-D3 | then its a sure winner | [19:06] |
Diablo-D3 | the problem is | [19:07] |
Diablo-D3 | _thats incredibly rare_ | [19:07] |
splnkr | but if your business model is venture capital investment, don't you have to play your cards even in the absence of those rare cases? | [19:08] |
Diablo-D3 | splnkr: nope. | [19:08] |
splnkr | then it's throwing darts with the best available along those parameters | [19:08] |
Diablo-D3 | thats where they get their game wrong | [19:08] |
Diablo-D3 | like, okay, lets take apple | [19:08] |
mircea_popescu | splnkr that's a fine way to bleed equity. | [19:08] |
Diablo-D3 | its not the example I want but it works | [19:08] |
Diablo-D3 | apple does three things | [19:09] |
Diablo-D3 | they build products, they sell a service, and they also invest | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | in general banking goes bust when the sort of managers that think "we have to play" rise to the top. | [19:09] |
splnkr | well this is what i see happening mircea_popescu | [19:09] |
Diablo-D3 | apple has a huge fucking investment department | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | that sort of managers are shit. | [19:09] |
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Diablo-D3 | they are now being sued because they are, according to shareholders, "hoarding cash" | [19:09] |
Diablo-D3 | I hope apple wins, btw | [19:09] |
Diablo-D3 | apple is waiting for that one perfect deal and they want to buy it | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 a company that large is always goingto have activist shareholders going at it. | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | usually multiple groups. | [19:09] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: yeah, but this is big enough to make the financial news | [19:10] |
splnkr | yeah i say good for apple for having so much cash | [19:10] |
Diablo-D3 | a lot of major corporate investors are running this one | [19:10] |
pigeons | zipbit is the patrickharnett/jonathan ryan owens scam right? | [19:10] |
mircea_popescu | it doesn't often get reported (this wouldn't have except the "cash hoarding" bs meets the community aggenda of the current whiote house) | [19:10] |
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pigeons | http://coinlab.com/strategy | [19:10] |
splnkr | and not debt leveraging themselves into oblivion | [19:10] |
Diablo-D3 | apple, as a business, is ran well | [19:10] |
Diablo-D3 | I dont agree with them on a lot of _technical_ issues | [19:10] |
Diablo-D3 | but steve jobs left behind a very competent executive staff | [19:10] |
pigeons | wait zipbit is the patrick harnett/jonathan ryan owens/kimdotcom scam | [19:11] |
pigeons | they are one of coinlab's 3 customers | [19:11] |
Diablo-D3 | so I dunno | [19:12] |
Diablo-D3 | I agree with mircea_popescu's wording of that though | [19:12] |
Diablo-D3 | its stupid to bleed capital | [19:12] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons they mean bitcoini caca consultancy don't they | [19:12] |
pigeons | wow looking at all these partners and startups, i guess all i need is twitter bootstrap and im a startup | [19:12] |
Diablo-D3 | pigeons: basically | [19:12] |
Diablo-D3 | and that pisses me off | [19:12] |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, I like people starting up companies | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons yes, the zipbit scam is their userbase. | [19:13] |
Diablo-D3 | that pushes the economy uphill pretty hard | [19:13] |
Diablo-D3 | its a good thing | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the girl is starting a bitchslap programme on bitcointalk, | [19:13] |
Diablo-D3 | but I dont like the fucktards running around | [19:13] |
mircea_popescu | this should prop the price up to 40 at least. | [19:13] |
Diablo-D3 | if you're going to do it, THEN OD IT | [19:13] |
Diablo-D3 | I am a firm believer in the GSD methodology. | [19:13] |
splnkr | oooooh, bootstrap baby, you'll beget a billion beautiful sites that do nothing, oooooh | [19:14] |
Diablo-D3 | splnkr: and bootstrap sucks | [19:14] |
Diablo-D3 | Ive used it | [19:14] |
Diablo-D3 | its one of the worst css-in-a-box kits ever | [19:14] |
Diablo-D3 | foundation is pretty shitty too | [19:14] |
mircea_popescu | splnkr at least it's no ruby on rails. | [19:14] |
splnkr | what's any better though? | [19:15] |
splnkr | lol | [19:15] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: actually, it can be | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | then you know you're fucked | [19:15] |
Diablo-D3 | you often use foundation and bootstrap in the front with RoR or some pythonated hell in the back | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | course it can be, bitcoinica was, if you recall, a bootstrap site coded in ror and hosted on linode. | [19:15] |
Diablo-D3 | bootsrap only handles the css | [19:15] |
splnkr | first time i heard about ruby on rails i thought it was a chick who was a coke fiend | [19:15] |
splnkr | j/k | [19:15] |
Diablo-D3 | btw, why the fuck do people keep using jquery | [19:15] |
pigeons | ok this is the best | [19:15] |
pigeons | http://coinlab.com/storage | [19:15] |
mircea_popescu | a chick that was a cocke fiend wouldn't have as many holes | [19:16] |
Diablo-D3 | I fucking hate jquery | [19:16] |
imsaguy | you just found that? | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | and they wouldn't be as loose | [19:16] |
Diablo-D3 | it is a arge bloated pile of shit | [19:16] |
imsaguy | pigeons, you're getting slow in your old age | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | imsaguy he's been on a journey of discovery | [19:16] |
pigeons | they have a quote calculator for storing your bitcoins for you | [19:16] |
imsaguy | I'm loving the ticker quote in the |
[19:16] |
Diablo-D3 | I can store my bitcoins for me myself. | [19:16] |
imsaguy | except its a 3 hours old quote | [19:16] |
Diablo-D3 | I dont need to pay someone to do it for me | [19:16] |
imsaguy | Diablo-D3: don't tell grandma that. | [19:16] |
imsaguy | then again, grandma isn't going to buy bitcoin | [19:16] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136192804573.jpg | [19:16] |
Diablo-D3 | I fucking pgp encrypt it with a passphrase, and then upload it to multiple VPSes | [19:17] |
Diablo-D3 | tada, my own fucking cloud. | [19:17] |
imsaguy | I just put my wallet.dat on linode | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | i tattoo it on starving children. | [19:17] |
imsaguy | mirrored to lots of places | [19:17] |
splnkr | and THATs why wall street won't bite. | [19:17] |
splnkr | lol | [19:17] |
pigeons | i like the "how technically minded are you " question to prequalify who is dumb enough to pay them to store bitcoins | [19:17] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: dont care for blondes | [19:17] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons lol. | [19:17] |
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mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 just, the position bitcoin venture capitalists imagine the gramma in missouri to be in. | [19:18] |
splnkr | exactly. | [19:18] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: yeah, I dont care about non-technical markets | [19:18] |
splnkr | i don't think wall street is quite that dumb | [19:18] |
Diablo-D3 | they make no sense to me | [19:18] |
Diablo-D3 | and you know what one of warren buffet's rules are? | [19:18] |
mircea_popescu | splnkr wall street is neither that dumb nor that innocent. | [19:19] |
Diablo-D3 | if you dont understand the business model, dont invest in it | [19:19] |
mircea_popescu | these muppets are bringing bitcoin to ws about a year too late. | [19:19] |
Diablo-D3 | and I dont understand the business model. | [19:19] |
Diablo-D3 | I have been stuck in the land of technology far too long to think stupid enough anymore | [19:19] |
splnkr | i tell my friends that too just from a personal investment standpoint! invest in what you know | [19:19] |
splnkr | it just makes more sense | [19:19] |
ThickAsThieves | Coinlab charts: Current Price 163m ago $33.70 | [19:20] |
mircea_popescu | lol win. | [19:20] |
pigeons | current enough for wall street | [19:20] |
imsaguy | ;;ticker | [19:20] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.61711, Best ask: 33.63998, Bid-ask spread: 0.02287, Last trade: 33.61711, 24 hour volume: 94251.07565531, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.44369 | [19:20] |
pigeons | ;;coinlag | [19:20] |
gribble | Error: "coinlag" is not a valid command. | [19:20] |
imsaguy | Good thing people got those loyalty points | [19:21] |
imsaguy | worth fractions of a dollar | [19:21] |
mircea_popescu | hey, one day when a dollar is worth 1mn bitcoins you'll be happy you saved those. | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | o no wait. | [19:24] |
mircea_popescu | it doesn't work that way. | [19:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7687 @ 0.00074911 = 5.7584 BTC [-] | [19:25] |
Bicknellski | fuck that took a good 40 minutes to catch up the thread here | [19:25] |
Bicknellski | lol | [19:25] |
Bicknellski | Must be a slow reader. | [19:25] |
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mircea_popescu | maybe you're one of the select elite that actually understands what they read. | [19:26] |
Bicknellski | pff | [19:26] |
Bicknellski | no but I am honest enough to admit I dont | [19:26] |
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Bicknellski | or smart enough to read more to find out | [19:26] |
Bicknellski | There are some pretty slimey people in Bitcoin... I like that | [19:27] |
kakobrekla | you like slimey people?? | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | lampreys. | [19:27] |
mircea_popescu | make delicious rice | [19:27] |
Bicknellski | ya | [19:28] |
Bicknellski | eels lampreys jawless fish | [19:28] |
pigeons | http://coinlab.com/investors | [19:28] |
pigeons | good ole Tihan Seale | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons all the good people huh. | [19:29] |
pigeons | yeah man | [19:30] |
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mircea_popescu | (im pretty certain bitcoinca consultancy ppl are involved) | [19:30] |
mircea_popescu | (no actual proof, but enough for an otr) | [19:30] |
kakobrekla | i dont know these ppl | [19:31] |
kakobrekla | who is tihan | [19:31] |
pigeons | thye have the perfect credentials for this job | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla tihan seale is the guy who stole from bitcoinica | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | the azn millionaire card fraudster / antique collector | [19:31] |
kakobrekla | the sourcE? | [19:31] |
pigeons | tihan bought bitcoinica from zhou and brought in phantomcircuit and the rest is history | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | he's the guy zhou supposedly convinced to give the moneyz back | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | "because international" | [19:31] |
kakobrekla | oh | [19:32] |
kakobrekla | smells dirty. | [19:32] |
pigeons | coinlab will have all us/canada mtgox users moved over by march 22. is that bfl time? | [19:32] |
imsaguy | they're beta testing on march 15 | [19:33] |
imsaguy | and alpha is even sooner | [19:33] |
imsaguy | vroom | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | lol bfl time | [19:35] |
pigeons | i predict smooth as danieldaniels face | [19:35] |
ThickAsThieves | kako, pm'd | [19:35] |
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ThickAsThieves | thx | [19:36] |
kakobrekla | np | [19:36] |
kakobrekla | now you can talk dirty. | [19:37] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [19:37] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [19:38] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 4398067.36359 based on data since last change | 4676975.06762 based on data for last three days | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | ;;tricker | [19:39] |
gribble | Error: "tricker" is not a valid command. | [19:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.6895 = 2.0685 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.63646, Bid-ask spread: 0.00646, Last trade: 33.63646, 24 hour volume: 97723.77922444, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48150 | [19:53] |
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error4733 | ;;ticker | [19:57] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.63000, Best ask: 33.64000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 33.64000, 24 hour volume: 97810.83398230, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.89000, 24 hour vwap: 32.48455 | [19:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [+] | [20:00] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 28 @ 0.3 = 8.4 BTC [+] | [20:09] |
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jurov | kakobrekla, don't you happen to know anything about https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=147599.0;topicseen ? | [20:14] |
jurov | or it's just smear? | [20:14] |
kakobrekla | i think its bogus | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | but hey | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | we have seen banks deny txes to btc exchanges before | [20:15] |
kakobrekla | even with gox iirc | [20:16] |
Bugpowder | yeah | [20:16] |
Bugpowder | all the time | [20:16] |
Bugpowder | I couldn't wire from BofA to gox for a while | [20:16] |
Bugpowder | 'recieving account suspended' | [20:16] |
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mircea_popescu | it is a little concerning that mtgox keep bleeding market share. | [20:19] |
kakobrekla | hm | [20:19] |
kakobrekla | they still have that fee bug at bitstamp | [20:19] |
kakobrekla | i guess its becoming even less obvious with btc price going up | [20:20] |
kakobrekla | cocksuckers. | [20:20] |
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mircea_popescu | by the way as a psa : i hope everyone is aware of http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html | [20:26] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 33.58999 U.S. dollars = 25.5826276 Euros | [20:30] |
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ThickAsThieves | 0.00013045 per share for sdice divs it looks like | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | maybe someone wins the <1 again on .01 btc this time | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | there's still what, 12 hours | [20:41] |
ThickAsThieves | not sure what time they use | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | well unless they're in macau it's not yet march | [20:42] |
ThickAsThieves | dooglus implies that estimate as "rough and ready" | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | i think he's right. | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | also no, http://blockchain.info/tx-index/57331947/df4d038d7734abe9385ae2d8973d8a6d42e3214489d54e6d53e30e3e0ff31076 is not me being stolen from. even if it was relied via moscow. | [20:45] |
Bugpowder | ;;ticker | [20:45] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.85000, Best ask: 33.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 33.90000, 24 hour volume: 98135.00942093, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 33.90000, 24 hour vwap: 32.52226 | [20:45] |
Bugpowder | I was wondering when you were going to put that wad into cold storage. | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | it was in cold storage to begin with. | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | just changed freezers | [20:46] |
B0g4r7_ | Got my asicminer div. 0.0023544 BTC per share. | [20:46] |
Bugpowder | ah. half a milli. | [20:46] |
mircea_popescu | so like 2%. is this for the current month as feb or as march ? | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | 20% | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | oh o | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | no | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder no, they ipod .1 | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | 2 % | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | and are trading like .5 atm | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | insanity | [20:47] |
Bugpowder | although, they are the only game in town | [20:48] |
B0g4r7_ | Looks like 23% to me, of the IPO price. | [20:48] |
B0g4r7_ | Sadly I paid somewhat above IPO, but I still expect good things. | [20:49] |
B0g4r7_ | I think it's for Feb's earnings. Or rather, all up to this point. | [20:49] |
Bugpowder | minus the expenses | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | B0g4r7 let's try gribble. | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 0.0023544 / 0.1 * 100 | [20:50] |
gribble | 2.3544 | [20:50] |
B0g4r7_ | Ok. I typo'd it. | [20:50] |
B0g4r7_ | Take off a leading zero. | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | you mean a trailing zero :D | [20:50] |
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ThickAsThieves | what % of divs get paid per share after the initial payoff? | [20:54] |
B0g4r7_ | I think divs get cut in half after the IPO price is raid in divs. | [20:54] |
B0g4r7_ | Maybe less if some debts need to be paid. | [20:54] |
B0g4r7_ | s/raid/repaid/ | [20:54] |
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Bugpowder | $34.00 | [20:57] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [20:58] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.91100, Best ask: 34.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08900, Last trade: 34.00000, 24 hour volume: 99306.03255539, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.00000, 24 hour vwap: 32.54358 | [20:58] |
ThickAsThieves | yay | [20:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C310T] 750 @ 0.27963952 = 209.7296 BTC [+] | [20:59] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C330T] 900 @ 0.24959007 = 224.6311 BTC [+] | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | aaand the oix takes a full dollar jump | [21:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 28000 @ 0.00636 = 178.08 BTC [+] | [21:03] |
jcpham | http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-human/tom-chatfield-technology-intimacy/ | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/19dqcd/mpoe_introduced_bitcoin_price_sentiment_indicator/ methings you're banned | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | "Whatever happens, the very meat of our physical being is to be left behind." | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | this has been the socialist utopia for about 500 years now. | [21:10] |
jurov | i did not notice anything untoward on reddit...looks just like it never got much above threshold | [21:10] |
jurov | 11 up votes 9 down votes | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | but that one has 1 vote i thought that's how they do banning there | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | o i am on a stale page ? | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2013 | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | 1 point (100% like it) | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | 1 up vote 0 down votes | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | it says | [21:12] |
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jurov | you're in parallel universe maybe | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | maybe so! | [21:12] |
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mircea_popescu | maybe some broken caching | [21:13] |
jurov | so, most trivial transaction possible to send 0.5BTC requires 0.0005 fee? i'm totally patching this | [21:16] |
jurov | https://blockchain.info/tx/8903532f06070433f8d95125dcd1909298b004ffb95d35ef3e371d19c95c6110 | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | hum | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | odd, it's under the tx limit no ? | [21:17] |
jurov | dunno what limit it's under | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | i notice the windows client will sometimes say you need a larger fee than makes sense | [21:19] |
pigeons | oh you can calculate the size in kb of your inputs and the age in your head? | [21:19] |
ThickAsThieves | then i'd cancel and try again | [21:19] |
ThickAsThieves | and it'd work | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | pigeons yes | [21:20] |
jurov | but that input is smallest possible | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | for the record i don't recall when i last paid a tx fee. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | possibly last summer. | [21:20] |
pigeons | WELL YOUR NOT TRYING TO SCREW WITH PEOPLE ENOUGH THEN | [21:21] |
pigeons | oops sorry capslock | [21:21] |
pigeons | why do they even have that key | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | what key ?! | [21:22] |
pigeons | caps lock | [21:22] |
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mircea_popescu | for when you type mpex commands. | [21:23] |
jurov | exchange it wot ctrl... or pry it off altogether | [21:23] |
ThickAsThieves | it's a Search button on Chromebooks | [21:23] |
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mircea_popescu | so let the debate rage : when i add mining indexes to mpex, should they be called MIX or DIX ? | [21:26] |
ThickAsThieves | BFL | [21:27] |
Lyspooner | indices? | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | ungulates! | [21:28] |
Bugpowder | what does DIX stand for? | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | diff | [21:29] |
thestringpuller | ;;bc,stats | [21:29] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 223637 | Current Difficulty: 3651011.630693214 | Next Difficulty At Block: 223775 | Next Difficulty In: 138 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4419440.20387 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.047 | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | also! shameless plug : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/permanently-elevated-plateau/ | [21:29] |
pigeons | spam detected. | [21:30] |
Bugpowder | 34.25 detected | [21:30] |
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mircea_popescu | pigeons http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134259334770.jpg | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | detect a little overthere why dontcha :D | [21:31] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 50 @ 0.0022 = 0.11 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | jurov re fees : (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 1878 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:17:40. (Fee: $ 0.00 - Size: 2808 bytes) 2013-02-28 18:13:12. | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | etc | [21:41] |
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jurov | mircea, your wallet is well oiled so it hasn't problem to choose optimal unspent outputs | [21:51] |
jurov | i drain the coinbr one frequently, exposing such behavoir | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | hm | [21:52] |
mircea_popescu | i think "cold storage optimisation specialist" will become one of the better earning specialisations in the future. | [21:52] |
nOgAnOo | Mircea I love you | [21:54] |
jurov | nOgAnOo, are you a girl? | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | cause if you;re not jurov would like to propose you love him instead. | [21:56] |
kakobrekla | good point ill add that to my linked in ;) | [21:58] |
kakobrekla | people will be like wtf frozen meat? | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:59] |
jurov | hehe | [21:59] |
mod6 | haha | [21:59] |
mod6 | nice | [22:00] |
Diablo-D3 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWu9TFJjHaM | [22:00] |
Diablo-D3 | jesus christ | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | o hey, shake your booty as a command. | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | literally magic. | [22:01] |
Diablo-D3 | yes, this qualifies as magic | [22:01] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [22:02] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 34.17109, Best ask: 34.40710, Bid-ask spread: 0.23601, Last trade: 34.40736, 24 hour volume: 102949.56666322, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.67158 | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | is this mature ? | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | i'd totally get a set for the girls. | [22:02] |
Diablo-D3 | its brand new | [22:03] |
Diablo-D3 | but the military HAS been experiementing with that shit for years | [22:03] |
Diablo-D3 | like, you know apple's siri? | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [22:03] |
Diablo-D3 | its the end result of a 20 year military project | [22:03] |
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jurov | my god. so the discussion on #bitcoin-dev turned to proposals to round the outputs or add bitdust to them... just to spite mpex, perhaps | [22:09] |
Bugpowder | uhhh | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | ;;ticker | [22:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.93294, Best ask: 33.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06706, Last trade: 33.00000, 24 hour volume: 120954.92202604, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58998 | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | jurov obviously no actual devs present. | [22:10] |
Bugpowder | $30.90 daym.. 15kBTC sale | [22:10] |
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Bugpowder | gap http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD/accumulated_orderbook.png | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.google.com/search?q=Ycombinator&complete=0&tbs=qdr:d | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | that's nice. twitter and trilema in that order. | [22:12] |
ThickAsThieves | thats funny | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder 15% gap | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | we are living interesting times | [22:13] |
Bugpowder | biggest gap I ever saw on gox | [22:13] |
ThickAsThieves | probly from delayed tickers on Coinlab and goxlive and such | [22:14] |
ThickAsThieves | sell for $31, you got it! | [22:14] |
Bugpowder | looked like a 15k market sell | [22:14] |
Bugpowder | maybe someone hit the sell $500k button on coinlab | [22:14] |
Bugpowder | by accident | [22:14] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [22:15] |
nOgAnOo | Right | [22:15] |
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mod6 | haha, "what's this do..." | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | no , that can only happen on places where people actually have a lot of wealth | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | like, you know, mpex. | [22:15] |
nOgAnOo | The 7000 bitcoin is right next to the 1 bitcoin | [22:15] |
nOgAnOo | I noticed that. | [22:15] |
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Bugpowder | weird that its not filling at all really | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | wonder if ordering if fucked up | [22:16] |
ThickAsThieves | there's only like 100 coins for sale under 33 | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | or the bots just are in wait in see mode | [22:16] |
kakobrekla | ;;goxlag | [22:16] |
gribble | 75.78574 seconds | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | oh | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | my | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | god | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [22:16] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 32.00000, Best ask: 32.01371, Bid-ask spread: 0.01371, Last trade: 32.00000, 24 hour volume: 121637.16767579, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.58503 | [22:16] |
Ukto | you called? :P | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | derping. | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | i mean dropping | [22:16] |
Bugpowder | clark moody has it at 32.92 | [22:17] |
ThickAsThieves | Ukto, shoudlnt you be working on The Next Big Thing tm? | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder i see it down to 31 | [22:17] |
Ukto | lunch break | [22:17] |
ThickAsThieves | word | [22:17] |
mod6 | 32.06 was last on clark moody | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=940&m=mtgoxUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=2&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | it gapped down at any rate. | [22:17] |
mod6 | yea | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | funny cause earlier ppl were buying calls. | [22:18] |
Ukto | sounds like a big long distance bill | [22:18] |
mod6 | yeah some healthy sell volume. | [22:18] |
mod6 | it'll go back up | [22:18] |
Ukto | just give the bots an hour or two to resituate | [22:19] |
gigavps | hey mircea_popescu, how come you didn't own any Gigamining when GLBSE close? | [22:19] |
gigavps | *closed | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno. how come you're beating your wife ? | [22:20] |
Ukto | I think I just saw a bomb get dropped | [22:20] |
gigavps | mircea_popescu that would go against your giga.etf contract, would it not? | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | you beating your wife you mean ? | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | not rly. i don't include people's wives in contracts. | [22:21] |
gigavps | why are you evading a direct question? | [22:21] |
Ukto | err | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | because it's a loaded question, and a poorly loaded one at that. | [22:21] |
Ukto | mircea_popescu: did you not actually own giga shares to back it? x.x | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | course i did | [22:21] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, but now the shares are worthless | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | he's running out of air with his various lies, so he's pulling a goat. | [22:21] |
Diablo-D3 | because giga is fucking investors around | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | which is cute, but hey. | [22:21] |
gigavps | mircea_popescu, every person that own over 900 contracts has claimed and been paid | [22:22] |
gigavps | so it would seem that your position is weakening | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | gigavps here's the thing : this sort of fake drama x months late won't save you from the fact that you've taken about 40k worth of investor's btc | [22:22] |
Ukto | hmm, this is a pretty serious accusation | [22:22] |
Bugpowder | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73vGdCaC048 | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | which is nowhere to be see. | [22:22] |
mod6 | we've been over all this like 69x | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | not getting into the details of pushing pirate, pushing amazingrando, pushing all the other scams. | [22:23] |
Ukto | alright, there is obviously only one easy way to settle this | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | so, find something better to do with your time. like, say, a way to pay back. | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | lambert at least is trying. | [22:23] |
gigavps | mircea_popescu the ice you are standing on is cracking | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | ahaha | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | right-o. | [22:23] |
Ukto | lets send an open email to james/nefario asking him to confirm MP's claim | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: guess what came out | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | foundation 4 | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | they fixed basically every single thing I bitched about | [22:23] |
mircea_popescu | maybe they were listening | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | maybe | [22:23] |
Diablo-D3 | a lot of people were bitching | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto nefario, the scammertagged chav from bitcointalk you mean ? | [22:24] |
Diablo-D3 | they switched to zepto.js for their js (although to be fair, none of their js was REQUIRED to be used, it was purely optional) | [22:24] |
Ukto | heh yes, the person who has been giving out accurate information | [22:24] |
Diablo-D3 | zepto > query by a shitload | [22:24] |
Ukto | he has no reason to lie | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto i can dig up the logs for some accurate info he gave, if you're interested. | [22:24] |
Ukto | hey, I am just trying to help | [22:25] |
Ukto | i have never owned shares of giga/etf | [22:25] |
Ukto | just dont like seeing false accusations fly. | [22:25] |
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Ukto | shouldnt be hard to get proof otherwise | [22:25] |
gigavps | a word of waring to all, mircea_popescu doesn't live up to his own contracts | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | here's a start : nefario makes "conference". nobody goes, but hey. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | Sep 16 01:13:36 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 16 01:14:01 |
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mircea_popescu | end result ? nefario explains the idiots present how much of a scam mpex is. | [22:26] |
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mircea_popescu | lalala. has no reason to lie indeed. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | gigavps your cheek is incredible. | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | you are insolvent talking about ice under me !? | [22:26] |
Ukto | eh.. honestly, nefario has made some shit decisions, we all agree with that | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | you've fucked over your investors, talking about my contracts ? | [22:26] |
mircea_popescu | piss off scammer | [22:27] |
Usage: | IGNORE |
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gigavps | lol | [22:27] |
Ignore | on gigavps!*@* changed. | [22:27] |
Ukto | but even ppl he has had disagreements with like Diablo-D3 has gotten accurate info | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | ;;eauth mircea_popescu | [22:27] |
gribble | Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:88727e3706f37e445789b628889e38b864a9257925711655a385f20f | [22:27] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 | [22:27] |
Ukto | and honestly, i dont see what reason gigavps has to lie about it. other than just wanting to bully and pick on you to keep your shares? | [22:28] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: yeah, I think Im the only one that got that level of treatment | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate gigavps -10 Defrauded direct investors of something like 40k BTC. Lied about pretty much everything, changed his contract. Also one of the main pirate ponzi supporters. | [22:28] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user gigavps has been recorded. | [22:28] |
jborkl | Giga, did you even have the hash power to back up your dividend payout?? I seem to remember not | [22:28] |
Ukto | all the other giga share holoders I know who claimed got theirs | [22:28] |
jborkl | ok | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto at the very minimum trying to get this false theory accepted whereby people actually claimed. | [22:29] |
kakobrekla | i dont see how giga doing smth potentially wrong could be related to mp doing smth potentially wrong | [22:29] |
Ukto | heh, I just want to solve the issue before it become some crazy drama | [22:30] |
mod6 | BEFORE? | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | the issue is solved. | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | and in general, scammers may get away with it cause i don't care | [22:30] |
burnside | is giga's nick registered? how do you check that? | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | but if they start being uppity, they'll get bitchslapped. | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | simple thing to understand. | [22:30] |
Ukto | i think the biggest issue regardless | [22:31] |
Ukto | is GLBSE's failure | [22:31] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [22:31] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.03000, Best ask: 33.29995, Bid-ask spread: 0.26995, Last trade: 33.01234, 24 hour volume: 123154.64224059, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.59041 | [22:31] |
Ukto | because it comes down to your word vs GLBSE & Issuer's word | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [22:31] |
burnside | cool, just wanted to make sure it was the one true giga | [22:31] |
mod6 | que up the retaliation ratings | [22:32] |
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gribble | Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is not identified. | [22:32] |
Ukto | heh | [22:33] |
Ukto | not very reassuring :P | [22:33] |
gribble | Nick 'gigavps', with hostmask 'gigavps!~me@rrcs-97-79-110-50.se.biz.rr.com', is identified as user gigavps, with GPG key id F83554D76ADE3A3F, key fingerprint C4D30ACE7ACB2C16BCE9FD55F83554D76ADE3A3F, and bitcoin address None | [22:33] |
Ukto | i suppose that works :P | [22:34] |
jcpham | ;;rated gigavps | [22:34] |
gribble | You rated user gigavps on Fri Aug 17 15:27:07 2012, giving him a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: Excellent trust. | [22:34] |
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mod6 | well why would he want to deal with that nitwit anyway? | [22:36] |
mod6 | what would be the point? | [22:36] |
mod6 | bah. this is old news giga | [22:36] |
thestringpuller | gigaetf had no value | [22:37] |
thestringpuller | it became illiquid too | [22:37] |
jcpham | this drama seems rota-ish | [22:38] |
Ukto | how about this | [22:38] |
Ukto | mircea_popescu: can you provide the btc address/email address used for glbse | [22:38] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4032718/apple-deleting-icloud-emails-containing-barely-legal-teen | [22:39] |
Ukto | let nefario make the statement weather the shares existed or noit | [22:39] |
mod6 | jcpham: NO | [22:39] |
Ukto | and then the etf holders can deal with nefario | [22:39] |
Ukto | and not gigavps | [22:39] |
Ukto | and all is settled | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto no. | [22:39] |
Diablo-D3 | Ukto: not nefario | [22:39] |
Diablo-D3 | whoever issued the passthrough | [22:39] |
jcpham | i pre de-nominamte myself | [22:39] |
Ukto | 0,o | [22:40] |
Diablo-D3 | the passthrough owner is on the hook for it, not giga or nefari | [22:40] |
Ukto | well | [22:40] |
Ukto | at this point | [22:40] |
Ukto | its an issue between MP and glbse | [22:40] |
mod6 | bullshit | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | no. at this point it's an issue between some idiot who thinks he can deflect attention from his misdealings by starting shit with me and the world. | [22:40] |
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mircea_popescu | the time for this sort of putative implication was last year, | [22:41] |
mod6 | these scammers are like wack-a-mole | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | not now that it became clear bfl isn't delivering | [22:41] |
thestringpuller | you defrauded your investors gigavps | [22:42] |
Ukto | mircea_popescu: so if mpex says I dont own shares of sdice, I sue Erik for my missing shares? >,> | [22:42] |
thestringpuller | blackmailed them into submitting OFAC requests | [22:42] |
thestringpuller | with id etc | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto no. on mpex you have receipts | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | you can prove what's what. | [22:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.99 BTC [-] | [22:44] |
jurov | mircea_popescu: f.giga.etf held the underlying asset at time of glbse closing [ ] Yes [ ] No | [22:44] |
jurov | that's all | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [22:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.6889999 BTC [-] | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | that said, i did not hold it directly, i never had a GLBSE acct. | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | that said, there's no doubt in my mind the proper qtys were actually beingheld for me. | [22:45] |
Ukto | mircea_popescu: sure, but if mpex went away in an instant | [22:45] |
Ukto | and I have a buy receipt | [22:45] |
Ukto | and delete my sell receipt | [22:45] |
Ukto | its now you word aginst mine | [22:46] |
Ukto | right | [22:46] |
Ukto | ? | [22:46] |
Ukto | no different than glbse | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto in principle there'd be at the very least a decoded db dump | [22:46] |
burnside | newest receipt wins I think | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | but even if that's not the case : the trade history is public, | [22:46] |
Ukto | are they constantly backed up offsite out of your control ? | [22:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+] | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | and you can match up what's what. | [22:46] |
Ukto | ah | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | yes. http://mpex.co/faq.html#22 | [22:46] |
mircea_popescu | the catastrophic failure mode is for each issuer to get a gpg-encypted list of the holder's fingerprints. much like rg got on the delisting of s.bvps | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | this can just be a pastebin if it comes to it | [22:47] |
Ukto | is that a question? | [22:51] |
Ukto | seems more of a statement | [22:51] |
mircea_popescu | is what a question | [22:52] |
ThickAsThieves | what is a word | [22:52] |
grubles | he is asking if mircea_popescu owned the mircea_popescu account on glbse | [22:53] |
grubles | ffs | [22:53] |
ThickAsThieves | spam detected | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | herpderp | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | i don't own a mircea_popescu account on icbit.se either, since we're talking | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | i don't have a mtgox acct | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | and on it goes. | [22:53] |
Ukto | so he did have them? | [22:54] |
dub | its certainly not like mircea_popescu is known for employing lackeys for that kind fo thing | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe the person he had manage the account decided to make an account as his name? | [22:54] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe it was mp and he's just fucking with you | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | maybe we'd best focus on how many people got separated from their residual btc because they didn't want to cough up for whatever apositlle bs | [22:55] |
mircea_popescu | and break whatever local laws in the process. | [22:56] |
thestringpuller | oooh 4k btc sooo much | [22:56] |
mod6 | smh | [22:57] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [22:57] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.12357, Best ask: 33.31649, Bid-ask spread: 0.19292, Last trade: 33.12257, 24 hour volume: 124639.50823768, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.60481 | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | well at least the drama worked, price back up. | [22:57] |
grubles | so mircea_popescu on glbse was not the mircea_popescu that is chatting in this channel? | [22:57] |
Ukto | well thats good at lesat | [22:58] |
Ukto | as I said, bots just needed time to resituate after a selloff | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | it wasn't even much of a selloff. 5k ? | [22:58] |
Bugpowder | 15 | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | maybe things are a lot more fragile than the bull run past week suggests | [22:58] |
Bugpowder | Just one person dumping | [22:59] |
Bugpowder | I think | [22:59] |
Bugpowder | it happened so fast, must have been | [22:59] |
grubles | no one wants to answer my question? lol | [22:59] |
mod6 | retracement | [22:59] |
mod6 | little bit of profits are needed somewhere in the mix | [22:59] |
mod6 | then onwards and upwards | [22:59] |
mod6 | wake me up if it breaks past 27.5 | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | you mean under ? | [23:00] |
mod6 | right | [23:00] |
grubles | lol | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | hm, how accurate is blockchain.info when calcing the fees ? | [23:00] |
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burnside | If all of the shareholders with over 900 shares have claimed, it sounds like whomever claimed the 900 shares of MP's on behalf of MP owes the passthru shareholders some BTC? | [23:06] |
burnside | Yeah, I was operating on the assumption that he was being honest when he answered the question of ownership. | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | burnside this if we trust nefario | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | and for that matter, if we trust gigavps. | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | both appear very dubious atm. | [23:08] |
burnside | heh, the twisted web we weave. | [23:08] |
Lyspooner | *tangled web | [23:08] |
burnside | that too | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | but pro memoria : | [23:09] |
jurov | mircea_popescu did you claim you account after glbse closed? | [23:09] |
jurov | of whoever was on mpex behalf | [23:09] |
jurov | *of->or | [23:10] |
Lyspooner | Oh! what a tangled web we weave | [23:10] |
Lyspooner | When first we practice to deceive! | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't have an account to claim and i trust the op to not have claimed gigavps. | [23:10] |
Ukto | what? | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | 1. very dubious character noteworthy mostly for being detained at the border takes exchange down, which nets him a scammer tag. | [23:10] |
Ukto | you didnt have an account? | [23:10] |
Ukto | so someone else claimed the shares on your behalf? | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | 2. some lists of shareholders are issued. these are wrong. | [23:10] |
Ukto | er bought them ? | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | 3. some more lists are issued. these are right, they say. | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | by now it's been about 3-4 months, and all this communication happened over email in plain text. | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | it would not surprise me if any of the three were the case : | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | a. nefario waited to see what's nto claimed, released lists including himself as beneficiary. | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | b. someone eavesdropped successfully, made claim. | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | c. gigavps is simply lieing (if nothing else for the simple interest that a 5 to 10% claim rate isn't something he'd like to admit) | [23:12] |
Ukto | Sure, those are all reasonable | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | now, all these may be or may not be true, tho i lean towards thinking at least one probably is. | [23:13] |
Ukto | I am curious now that you mentioned it | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | this state of affairs does NOT give some confused individual license to come in here and ask loaded questions implying i did something wrong. | [23:13] |
Ukto | did you yourself not actually have a GLBSE account and hold 900 shares? | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | he is welcome to appologise to me at any time for being an idiot and involving himself in this mess, | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | not that it'd make a difference, | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | just as he's welcome to appologise to other people for involving them in the other many messes he's created since his presence in bitcoin | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | but all this is not here nor there, and certainly has no point in our discussion. | [23:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+] | [23:14] |
grubles | he said he 'didnt have an account to claim' | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto i use brokers. i happen to think it's the correct way to do it. | [23:14] |
grubles | so there mustve been an imposter on glbse with mircea_popescu 's name? | [23:14] |
Ukto | ah | [23:14] |
Ukto | but in your contract you didnt disclose that you held the shares via third party, right? | [23:15] |
Ukto | MP is the OP for the etf asset, right? | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | it was amply disclosed here for instance. | [23:15] |
Ukto | then that makes things simple | [23:15] |
Ukto | can we get the third party to vrify your shares? | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto the problem is people work in bitcoin because they want to be anon. | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | for many people being involved in these things is professionally iffy | [23:16] |
Ukto | um | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | you can lose your license as a stock broker for instance. | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | is it likely ? no. is it a risk people would run ? hell no. | [23:16] |
Ukto | so your saying, that you used a 3rd party to buy the shares, and this person cannot be revealed? | [23:16] |
Ukto | and that this person is a licensed stock broker? | [23:17] |
jurov | http://web.archive.org/web/20121124181409/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=F.GIGA.ETF | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not saying anything of the sort. | [23:17] |
Ukto | wondering what the commentary is for then | [23:17] |
Ukto | leaves the basic question again, can we hav this third party simply verify things? | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | it will not happen. | [23:17] |
Ukto | "Yes, I held 900 shares of giga for MP" | [23:17] |
Ukto | Reason ? | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | there's no reason for a reason. | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | nobody can suddenly decide "hey, i want your id" | [23:18] |
Ukto | well, the issuer is claiming the shares didnt exist | [23:18] |
Ukto | sounds like a reason :P | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | issuer can claim w/e the fuck he pleases. | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | once his cratered asset is worth something, the people holding it on mpex might be able to recover something | [23:18] |
Ukto | i just think its sad that you wont clear your name if its that easy :( | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | as it is... heh. | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | Ukto i happen to respect anonimity. | [23:19] |
Ukto | alot of ppl respect you | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | and if im the only one here, that's great, i don't care. | [23:19] |
Ukto | and while they should continue to | [23:19] |
Ukto | its still best to show good faith in that respect | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | but this is a forewarning of things to come : i don't care what people manouver, | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | i won't reveal jack shit as a matter of going concern. | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | you don't get to spy on people just by manufacturing some concern trollage. | [23:19] |
Ukto | heh | [23:21] |
Ukto | well | [23:21] |
Ukto | I give up | [23:21] |
Ukto | I was just trying to be helpfull and make sure you got a clear name and everyone knew that giga was wrong | [23:21] |
Ukto | you obviously dont care | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | thanks for playing. | [23:21] |
Ukto | back to business as usual then. :) | [23:21] |
Lyspooner | where were we? | [23:22] |
Ukto | ;;ticker | [23:22] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.27001, Best ask: 33.33000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05999, Last trade: 33.33000, 24 hour volume: 125332.84318558, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.61138 | [23:22] |
Ukto | there | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | 33land lol | [23:22] |
Lyspooner | ah yes | [23:22] |
Lyspooner | A Palmer too! No wonder why | [23:23] |
Lyspooner | I felt rebuked beneath his eye.[ | [23:23] |
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mod6 | Lyspooner == limerick king from zh? | [23:24] |
mod6 | that guy is hilarious | [23:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1485 @ 0.00637777 = 9.471 BTC [+] | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla you know i just realised romanian YEARLY salary is like 100 btc | [23:33] |
kakobrekla | hm | [23:34] |
Lyspooner | unfair comparison | [23:34] |
Lyspooner | romanian median yearly BTC salary is zero | [23:35] |
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mjr_ | whats up everyone | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | hater. | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | mjr_ AAPL | [23:37] |
ThickAsThieves | doubtful | [23:38] |
ThickAsThieves | down -3.17 | [23:38] |
ThickAsThieves | AAPL is always down | [23:38] |
Lyspooner | "what happens to bitcoin if the internet stops working?"... apparently if we look at romania where there still is no internet, there is at least one node, and that node becomes very wealthy | [23:39] |
mjr_ | AAPL Shall rise again! | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | Lyspooner literally the stuff involved in bitcoin could be done pen on paper | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | it'd take an army of slaves doing it, but it'd be done just fine. | [23:39] |
mjr_ | mircea_popescu that is true | [23:39] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/28/girls-gone-wild-bankruptcy/1954419/ 'Girls Gone Wild' goes bankrupt to dodge legal awards | [23:40] |
Lyspooner | mircea_popescu: i just wanted to make fun of romania | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | but you suck so badly at it! | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | dude i love blogging. there's all these people making comments. | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | TIL that most ycombinator ventures use godaddy as a registrar. | [23:41] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu you just closed -eu 1 min too soon | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | o ? | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:34.06 . mircea_popescu ( ~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu ) left #bitcoin-otc-eu ( "Leaving" ) | [23:43] |
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kakobrekla | 22:37.15 ( allex ) Hello | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:37.43 ( allex ) I need some traders to join my p2p bitcoin exchange site | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:38.01 ( allex ) the name of the site is | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:38.03 ( allex ) http://www.p2pbitexchange.com | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:39.39 ( kakobrekla ) what scam is this now | [23:43] |
ThickAsThieves | wasnt your post 2nd on google like a few hours ago? | [23:43] |
ThickAsThieves | for 'ycombinator' | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:40.22 ( allex ) ? | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:40.32 ( allex ) haha isnt a scam | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:41.15 ( allex ) there is no midle man (as it were) involved. Only p2p | [23:43] |
kakobrekla | 22:42.12 ( allex ) |
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kakobrekla | 22:43.47 ( kakobrekla ) how is it better than irc and -otc wot allex | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yeah | [23:44] |
ThickAsThieves | gone | [23:44] |
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mircea_popescu | aww! | [23:44] |
ThickAsThieves | coinlab called up Brin | [23:45] |
ThickAsThieves | was like yo axe that shit | [23:45] |
mjr_ | i have to say that godaddy's superbowl commercial and subsequent ad campaign was probably the most successful campaign of any internet company | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves http://www.google.com/search?q=Ycombinator&complete=0&tbs=qdr:d | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | i still see it. you don't ? | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | mjr_ that may be, but they suck at the actual soup. | [23:46] |
mjr_ | definitely | [23:46] |
mjr_ | they are the worst | [23:46] |
mjr_ | i use namecheap | [23:46] |
jurov | i don't see it | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla well... wait till he finds about localbitcoins or w/e its called | [23:46] |
mjr_ | but still, why does everyone use them, when it is known that they suck | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i use nc too. | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | and imo they're so far ahead of anyone in their field it's rare. | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:44.14 ( allex ) The idea is to build a comunity of trders | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:44.23 ( allex ) once again only P2P | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:44.47 ( allex ) to build trust | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:45.02 ( allex ) by rating the trades | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:45.32 ( allex ) the focus is on exchange of bitcoins only nothing else | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:46.13 ( allex ) There is groups os paypal, nettler , poker , cash , western union | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | 22:46.37 ( allex ) Got the idea? | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | prolly built the site firt then come to -ot | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | c | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | first* | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla see how lucky you are he's enlightening you ? | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | ask him if he's romanian. | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | he sounds like 100 btc / year. | [23:47] |
kakobrekla | meh | [23:48] |
kakobrekla | im le tierd from those kind of conversations. | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | im lucky. i think i have a reputation for an asshole, so most fragile minds avoid me or something. | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | when you link, yes | [23:49] |
kakobrekla | dont push it, ill send him here | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | i see it | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | but when i use URL bar to search, no | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | whatever the hell reason that is | [23:49] |
ThickAsThieves | it gives me much more sensible listings | [23:50] |
ThickAsThieves | like their home page | [23:50] |
ThickAsThieves | and wikipedia, etc | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves it's 24 hours | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | not any time | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | &tbs=qdr:d that's what it does. | [23:52] |
gribble | Error: "tbs=qdr:d" is not a valid command. | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | saywut ?! | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | &ticker | [23:52] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.60000, Best ask: 33.69300, Bid-ask spread: 0.09300, Last trade: 33.60000, 24 hour volume: 126392.80990105, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.62583 | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | aHAHAHA | [23:52] |
mod6 | nice | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | today we learn to hax BOTH google and gribble. | [23:52] |
ThickAsThieves | &estimate | [23:52] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 4413018.97089 based on data since last change | 4676975.06762 based on data for last three days | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | is this even documented anywhere ?! | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | now i only have to hit two keys at once! | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [23:53] |
Lyspooner | &!estimate | [23:53] |
gribble | Error: "!estimate" is not a valid command. | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;&estimate | [23:53] |
gribble | Error: "&estimate" is not a valid command. | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | &bitchslap | [23:53] |
ThickAsThieves | &;;estimate | [23:53] |
gribble | Error: "bitchslap" is not a valid command. | [23:53] |
gribble | Error: ";;estimate" is not a valid command. | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | &slap bitch | [23:53] |
* | gribble slaps bitch with a smarmy flask | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [23:54] |
Lyspooner | &ticker | [23:54] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 33.66100, Best ask: 33.68999, Bid-ask spread: 0.02899, Last trade: 33.66100, 24 hour volume: 126401.21754295, 24 hour low: 30.90120, 24 hour high: 34.51541, 24 hour vwap: 32.62637 | [23:54] |
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ThickAsThieves | undocumented feature for realz | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | &roulette | [23:54] |
gribble | *click* | [23:54] |
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mircea_popescu | awesome. | [23:54] |
ThickAsThieves | &easteregg | [23:55] |
gribble | Error: "easteregg" is not a valid command. | [23:55] |
ThickAsThieves | boo | [23:55] |
Lyspooner | $ticker | [23:55] |
ThickAsThieves | you broke it | [23:55] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [23:55] |
dub | did people get the right asicminer test payment? | [23:59] |
dub | they seem to have missed a 0 of mine | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | didn't they testy with 1 satoshi first | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | and then send the real deal, like 2.35% ? | [23:59] |
ThickAsThieves | they sent already | [23:59] |
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