Forum logs for 28 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'girding you node infrastructure' -> 'girding your node infrastructure' ?	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	!up eric	[00:00]
-assbot-	You voiced eric for 30 minutes.	[00:00]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: ty fixed	[00:01]
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asciilifeform	in other nyooz, Π(∀n) broke past 1GB	[00:04]
asciilifeform	(an event of no practical consequence whatsoever)	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:04]
*	mircea_popescu suspects that we're actually the only ones to have the P	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	but hey, we're also the only ones to want to have the P, because everyone else just needs summaries and narratives.	[00:05]
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*	asciilifeform zcat /var/log/........../access* \| grep "prod.txt"	[00:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: would you believe.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	buncha folks!	[00:07]
asciilifeform	who they are - i've no idea.	[00:07]
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asciilifeform	half a dozen or so complete fetches.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	o hey, not bad.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	sometimes /me is happy to be contradicted by events	[00:08]
*	BingoBoingo swears will eventually start publishing bitcoind patches to mailing list and not qntra, but still has to figure out diff, and nao v	[00:08]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: good news, you don't yet have to figure out 'v'	[00:09]
asciilifeform	(i have not yet released it)	[00:09]
BingoBoingo	Ah, that is good news.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	gotta make damn sure that it behaves.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	incidentally, notion of wot in 'v' is a dir full of pubkeys	[00:09]
asciilifeform	none of that 'import' and 'retrieve' idiocy	[00:10]
asciilifeform	get the files. place in dir.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	^	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	very much exactly this. there's a line from me somewhere in log going "all i want to figure out is what keys"	[00:11]
asciilifeform	patches live in another dir.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	sigs - another.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	this forms a 'v' workingset.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later.	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/08/many-pools-rejecting-xt-in-favor-of-other-undefined-fork/#comment-46931 << Replying to our Nigerian Prince	[00:12]
assbot	Many Pools Rejecting XT in Favor of Other Undefined Fork \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRXjJu )	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i think so fart you just might.	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later. << I though this is what danielpbarron does	[00:12]
asciilifeform	thing does exactly three basic kinds of thing - verifies sigs; determines what subcoagulations of spittle in the spittoon are in fact in single strands; and permits operator to select individual strands, and cut'em (by whatever criteria, including signatories or combinations thereof)	[00:15]
asciilifeform	selections produce a buildable tree.	[00:15]
asciilifeform	which corresponds to a particular set of leaf nodes in the dependencyflowgraph.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	so nice	[00:16]
asciilifeform	a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	at any rate, it'll be a handy thing for folks such as hanbot.	[00:17]
asciilifeform	(in the sense of, people who are not writing these, but desire to make some sense of what has been written.)	[00:18]
asciilifeform	i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs	[00:18]
asciilifeform	but it still remains to me, to put human knobs on it.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	so far it is ~one page, of 'python' prog. lang., if anyone has something else they would like to see it in, write to me	[00:19]
trinque	really illustrates your "fits in head"	[00:21]
phf	mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two. not that are you necessarily limited to a single task at a time, you can load a tsr to perform a handful of auxiliary task, like notes or calculator or whatever. i think that's how "widgets" were implemented in apple's system	[00:21]
phf	1 through 4	[00:21]
asciilifeform	trinque: this is not accidental.	[00:21]
trinque	certainly not!	[00:21]
trinque	I am merely observing it.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	phf: hp200lx dos machine does astonishing things with tsr	[00:21]
trinque	git for example, sure, has a tree in it, which is to say the monstrously large pile of git concepts has a sort of tree-like structure in it, among myriad other things	[00:22]
*	asciilifeform did not feel like 'truly knows how to program pc' until he wrote first tsr, as a boy	[00:22]
asciilifeform	it did nothing of great enduring value	[00:22]
phf	tsr is right of passage :)	[00:22]
asciilifeform	trinque: importantly, 'v' is stateless other than the three directories spoken of earlier.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	and, notably, never alters them	[00:23]
asciilifeform	it can produce output, which one might at some point sign and place in 'patches' and 'sigs' respectively.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	or, in the case of flow graph, examine visually.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	or, when producing a buildable tree - build.	[00:23]
asciilifeform	but never affects own inputs directly.	[00:23]
trinque	mhm, functional	[00:24]
trinque	it's quite a thing; I've worked under guys that demanded minimalism and it didn't hold a candle to this.	[00:25]
trinque	shows it's not just minimalism that's to be sought, but precisely the right fit of concepts.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program	[00:25]
asciilifeform	trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'	[00:26]
phf	same for console development	[00:26]
asciilifeform	in general, whenever one is programming for ~a whole machine~	[00:26]
asciilifeform	phf: a number of folks here were introduced to the concept for the first time when they met with 'pogo'	[00:27]
asciilifeform	(a small computer which is not ~quite~ large enough to comfortably run gcc on)	[00:27]
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phf	i think the idea makes sense for development in general, i mean "full stack" crowd approximates it by running a vm with the stack	[00:30]
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asciilifeform	this, as i understand, is done largely out of desperation	[00:30]
asciilifeform	(in the logs one can learn that i suggested it to therealbitcoin folks)	[00:30]
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phf	keep shit in dedicated buckets, poor it from one into another	[00:31]
trinque	ahemahemdocker	[00:31]
trinque	latest incarnation of this	[00:31]
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trinque	you've got a giant wad of incomprehensible shit, so at least if you snapshot the turd at various life-stages you can return to one when you've screwed up everything	[00:34]
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trinque	that said I did target qemu for my gentoo builder, just to have a defined target at all	[00:34]
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mircea_popescu	really illustrates your "fits in head" << i've seen his codework before and was very pleasantly impressed.	[00:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/RevA6qlp28angte7mrprEnWq_1280.jpg	[01:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NDEhs9 )	[01:08]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254018 << the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at, the state hates cops getting shot at, and generally anyone with the stones to make an effort to rack up up a body count on their way out stands an even chance of not even having to go out	[01:41]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 02:14:58; moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.	[01:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00070853 = 4.8534 BTC [-] {3}	[01:51]
thestringpuller	https://www.zapchain.com/a/mXy1NF0e6T << this chick....	[01:52]
punkman	needs moar javascript	[01:53]
phf	"As your leader, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic."	[01:56]
thestringpuller	phf: does she really say that in the video?	[01:57]
thestringpuller	who rips off kill bill these days...	[01:57]
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phf	no, but would be appropriate given the prose style	[01:59]
thestringpuller	qntra will stomp CoinTelgraph and CoinDesk in the nuts when the time comes	[02:00]
phf	qntra should hire a buxom lady with an ill fitting shawl for cto then	[02:01]
trinque	this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like	[02:01]
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punkman	"College campuses on gun lockdowns today: Mississippi State, Texas Southern, Savannah State."	[02:02]
trinque	somebody have a manifesto to promote?	[02:03]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNWKt5CXAAARR2v.jpg	[02:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hJ8x8a )	[02:05]
thestringpuller	phf: hanbot already writes for qntra	[02:05]
thestringpuller	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/ << BingoBoingo article is getting transaction.	[02:08]
punkman	https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/08/27/when-prisons-need-to-be-more-like-nursing-homes	[02:12]
assbot	When Prisons Need to Be More Like Nursing Homes \| The Marshall Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnee2b )	[02:12]
*	ben_vulpes muses on the notion of hanbot wearing something ill-fitting	[02:12]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254179 << asciilifeform, breaking the tradition of bitcoin crapware and now the b-a 'test in production only' deployment philosophy!	[02:14]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 03:07:13; asciilifeform: gotta make damn sure that it behaves.	[02:14]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: funny story you may enjoy.	[02:14]
thestringpuller	So at work I'm migrating a web property from an agency to my company's control. So I have 3 environments: dev, staging, production.	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	what's dev other than your laptop?	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	nm carry on	[02:15]
thestringpuller	The code is so poor it works differently on all three environments, so the only way to truly know if it works is to test on production.	[02:15]
thestringpuller	how you write code this poorly configured, I do not know.	[02:15]
ben_vulpes	"suit up kid. we're putting your laptop into production."	[02:16]
thestringpuller	p. much.	[02:16]
thestringpuller	it's like some college dropout went through github and chose every web technology that seemed "fun" at the time regarding php.	[02:16]
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*	ben_vulpes can't imagine 'phun php'	[02:17]
*	ben_vulpes recently broke control blocks a in php	[02:17]
ben_vulpes	across html tags*	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254197 << slick.	[02:18]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 03:14:58; asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	thestringpuller i'm bidding on a coffee script + mongodb + mongoose + nodejs + angular rescue project	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	weep for me	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	Who would have though, building trees leaf first	[02:19]
phf	we had this girl in the country house area, who every summer would be into the most pop thing of the time. we'd play a game, end of may when you get there, ask her if she's into whatever trashy thing at the time, "oooh, i love it how did you know". can do same with full stack developers by scanning hackernews frontpage	[02:19]
thestringpuller	ben_vulpes: when you say rescue project...you mean rescue them from those technologies right?	[02:20]
ben_vulpes	bulk of the project is a mongo -> postgresql conversion	[02:21]
ben_vulpes	trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off	[02:21]
thestringpuller	i miss using postgresql. but it's overkill for wordpress.	[02:25]
punkman	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/27/nazi-gold-train-poland-asks-treasure-hunters-stop-search	[02:25]
assbot	'Nazi gold train': Poland asks treasure hunters to stop search \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnftOP )	[02:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00071559 = 1.7131 BTC [+]	[02:27]
punkman	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/28/briton-scott-stammers-pleads-guilty-to-north-korean-drug-smuggling-plot	[02:32]
assbot	Briton Scott Stammers pleads guilty to North Korean drug smuggling plot \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jng9Un )	[02:32]
punkman	"Preet Bharara thanked authorities in Liberia, Romania and Thailand for assisting with the US investigation."	[02:33]
punkman	"dangerously pure North Korean methamphetamines" << such advertising	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[02:34]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2W87DJA.txt )	[02:34]
punkman	are the rednecks painting their meth blue yet?	[02:35]
punkman	and the answer is yes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2469736/Cops-bust-dealers-40lbs-BLUE-meth--just-like-Walter-Whites-famous-formula-Breaking-Bad.html	[02:35]
assbot	Cops bust dealers with 40lbs of BLUE meth - just like Walter White's famous formula on Breaking Bad \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jngjeq )	[02:35]
punkman	"Top Judge Becomes Greece's First Female Prime Minister" << progress!	[02:50]
punkman	“We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said. “It’s on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great again.”	[02:53]
punkman	hope Gavin doesn't read this and buys a hat	[02:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00071463 = 9.0401 BTC [+] {4}	[03:25]
trinque	ben_vulpes \| trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off << heh, perhaps next it becomes "how do I derive a bunch of CLOS classes and instances from all this relational data?"	[03:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2547 @ 0.0007183 = 1.8295 BTC [+] {3}	[03:47]
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mircea_popescu	[...] << the whole thing's a small nudge << http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/	[03:52]
assbot	Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JAwmEP )	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly ? "Toni Lane Casserly, LLC" ?	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	stupid bitch's not even got the basics of 4chan down, what " Thought Leader & Advisor: Bitcoin and Block chain Technolgies"	[03:55]
davout	BingoBoingo: s/timely confirmations is a simple as/timely confirmations is as simple as/	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	"Finding new ways to treat the growing pool of older, ailing inmates." heh.	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	"oh life in prison is such a win for the government!" "reheheheally ? eeenjoy."	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	" It's part of the audit process, it's part of the intelligence phase that is part of being part of a national organization."	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	partly apart!	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	“Being able to hear an alarm, being able to drop to the ground if you’re ordered to do so, those are prison activities of daily living that if you can’t do, you can get in a lot of trouble,”	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha. in what lalaland is this going on. fuck you, you want it done, do it yourself. you're here to work for me, that's why you get paid. i don't get paid to be here. logic 101.	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	dude who the fuck exports meth. what retardation is this.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	meth is locally manufactured like central heating is locally manufactured.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	“We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said <<< a woman admits america now sucks ? such.	[04:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2511 @ 0.00071921 = 1.8059 BTC [+]	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	“Stammers’ scheme ended not with the North Korean methamphetamine flooding American streets as he had intended, but rather with a guilty plea in a Manhattan federal court,” Bharara said in a statement. << "we got another five retards to confess to imaginary crimes we dreamed up ; they will cost the state 100k a year for the next 10 years up to as long as they live. and i expect to get a bonus", some dumbass india	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	n that's there to leech the system for all it's got said in a statement.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	how exactly is this derp different from asciilifeform's dr x ?	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	same fucking thing, to the dot.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	(and yes, everyone who ever thought about it stockpiles drugs in the phillipines, because hey, support infrastructure is cvasi-absent owing to the lazy ineptitude of the locals, and they got capital punishment for it too. not like you could fucking make it in mexico and ship it across the border, owing to the fact that	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	eh why do i even bother	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	the difference between the usg and reddit is vanishingly slim	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	not like if they absolutely had to move korean meth for some fucking reason they'd move it into russian siberia like sane fucking people.	[04:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.0007197 = 14.322 BTC [+] {2}	[04:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00071979 = 2.4473 BTC [+]	[04:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00071979 = 2.3393 BTC [+]	[05:04]
cazalla	;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews	[05:16]
cazalla	;;later tell moonpunter ya never did answer my question asking if you are the same madore from cryptocoinsnews	[05:17]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:17]
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mircea_popescu	sooo... i just made money whilke sleeping!	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	(03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast!	[13:34]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254402 << iirc he had none	[13:36]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?	[13:36]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'	[13:37]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 15:01:47; punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	srsly. what the fuck!?	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	why don't they come fuck the girls too, therefore saving me the trouble of washing my cock afterwards.	[13:38]
ascii_field	run moar Vichy Linux !111!111!!!	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	can stay dry throughout.	[13:38]
ascii_field	quislingux	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	can microsoft eat my icecream plox save me the trouble of going to the dentist	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	wtf is wrong with these people seriously.	[13:39]
punkman	it's pretty bad	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	in what world is the population this fucking stupid i wish to know.	[13:40]
trinque	what happened to msft is evil, and fuck secureboot	[13:40]
trinque	did I sleep too long?	[13:40]
ascii_field	'linux foundation'	[13:40]
ascii_field	must be something like the bitcoin phoundation...	[13:40]
trinque	put me back in the stasis pod til you finish dataflowputer	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	trinque sorry, the flat batteries ran out.	[13:41]
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ascii_field	ahahaha	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field well, is torvalds involved ?	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	"Linus Torvalds Fellow. "	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	what is he, stupid ?	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	wtf is with these people seriously.	[13:42]
ascii_field	http://www.itworld.com/article/2895396/is-the-linux-foundation-trying-to-gag-linus-torvalds.html << found this	[13:42]
assbot	Is the Linux Foundation trying to gag Linus Torvalds? \| ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD3fP )	[13:42]
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ascii_field	'the Linux Foundation kinda sorta slapped him on the wrist when they issued a new "Code of Conflict" policy that declared "personal insults or abuse are not welcome."'	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/leadership << look at this stupidshit	[13:42]
assbot	Leadership ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD6rW )	[13:42]
mod6	;;ticker	[13:42]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.43, Best ask: 235.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 235.5, 24 hour volume: 23702.61891169, 24 hour low: 220.11, 24 hour high: 238.9, 24 hour vwap: None	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	it IS, but i mean EXACTLY the bitcoin foundation.	[13:42]
mod6	;;calc 235*.17	[13:43]
gribble	39.95	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this	[13:43]
mod6	mircea_popescu: that's awesome	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	mod6 what is ?	[13:43]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> (03:51:56) >Mircea has managed 0.17 BTC worth of crafting! Congratulations! << enough to buy breakfast! << this :D	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	oh oh ty :_	[13:43]
punkman	"We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	in fairness i have been doing huge overcrafts overnight. like 40k a click sorta thing. but... overall im ahead i think	[13:44]
trinque	so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI?	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	punkman what the shit has this stupoid "foundation" got to do with those 20 years	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	and who the fuck is gah	[13:44]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXUu-EsAiE oh gawd, make it stahp	[13:45]
assbot	Distributed Genius: Advancing the Growth of Linux - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqDy9I )	[13:45]
punkman	(from their frontpage)	[13:45]
mod6	!s banix	[13:45]
assbot	0 results for 'banix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=banix	[13:45]
trinque	gotta gas all the ad people.	[13:46]
trinque	they've done this	[13:46]
trinque	you imagine the amount of zoloft it takes for this chick to sound this positive about god knows what?	[13:47]
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trinque	not communism but an american advertisement thereof	[13:47]
trinque	I have to lay some of the blame for this starry-eyed world-changer vibe at the grave of Jobs	[13:48]
trinque	everyone wants to be an apple ad.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	diude there's a lot of them	[13:49]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254455 << which idiot ?	[13:52]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 16:41:03; mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	torvalds.	[13:52]
ascii_field	what would you suggest to him to do ?	[13:52]
trinque	I thought he was supposed to be the big mean dictator man of linux	[13:52]
ascii_field	strap on shaheed vest ?	[13:52]
trinque	ascii_field: shout at people, I thought his schtick was that	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://dpaste.com/082XAM5.txt	[13:52]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[13:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JqEIBU )	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i suggest him to NOT BE A FUCKING "FELLOW".	[13:53]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i don't know enough about torvalds, but i suspect that his bargain with satan, from which he sleeps ad libitum, involves putting up with this crud	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	fuck that.	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254342 << check out cazalla on top of his game.	[13:55]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!	[13:55]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254366 << "shot at" != killed. the point isn't to shoot at.	[13:56]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that the	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254370 <<< mno. luck and "temporary disturbance" is the parsimonious explanation. for some short interval in a well chosen nigerian locaiton you could have pretended the same. then the oil bubble went awya.	[13:57]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254378 << after the fact.	[13:58]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:17:58; asciilifeform: just lost his mp-rating	[13:58]
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punkman	"Meta Glasses" are an actual product btw https://www.getameta.com/	[13:58]
assbot	Home: Meta Augmented Reality ... ( http://bit.ly/1N0pOGG )	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.	[13:59]
*	mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	buncha us born chicks went around like zebras for months on account of it.	[14:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00070329 = 1.3363 BTC [+]	[14:00]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what was it they 'tried to' ?	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	doesn't matter. look around. it's what white middle class twerps say when they're trying to talk their way out of shit.	[14:01]
ascii_field	'there is no try' (tm) (r) ('star wars')	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	"what the fuck are you doing" "i'm just trying to..." "bend over."	[14:01]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 234.31, vol: 20845.64260649 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 229.874, vol: 10957.87722 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 235.0, vol: 24948.43422478 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 229.73, vol: 8.49962599 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 234.420804, vol: 26744.99840000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 236.624, vol: 288.24688755 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.01525, vol: 63.14619619 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	^ only way to run an office with white people < 40 in it, incidentally.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254382 << main advantage of being half orc is, you still get a functioning penis.	[14:03]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:19:57; cazalla: benefit of being half orc half human.. cannot get into disagreement over puters	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	instead of a malfunctioning cunt.	[14:03]
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trinque	this "I'm trying to" reminds me of being asked in job interviews what my "passion" is	[14:05]
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trinque	see, you don't have to be good at your "passion", it's just this vague focal point off in the glorious future somewhere	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[14:06]
trinque	uh, my passion is fucking, and also having as much money as possible	[14:06]
mod6	!up ascii_field	[14:06]
mod6	hmm that's weird. what am i, stale?	[14:07]
*	trinque blows on the mic	[14:07]
trinque	paging herr assbot	[14:07]
trinque	!up ascii_field	[14:07]
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trinque	wat	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.	[14:08]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.	[14:08]
mod6	(13:04) [freenode] -assbot(~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot)- Insufficient rights, mod6, !up yourself on PM first.	[14:08]
mod6	weird.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	i guess in the end very similar.	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	mod6 you might be stale.	[14:08]
mod6	looks that way.	[14:08]
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mod6	lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess.	[14:09]
mod6	signon: Sun Aug 2 15:11:02 2015	[14:09]
mod6	shrug	[14:09]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: thing is, fella had a project, just not one that anybody wanted	[14:09]
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mircea_popescu	so would my cat, if i had a cat.	[14:10]
punkman	ascii_field: and who doesn't have one!	[14:10]
ascii_field	herr adlai was not a moron, actually was a pretty competent common lisp hand	[14:11]
ascii_field	judging by the few snippets of his i read	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field intelligence is not related to this.	[14:15]
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BingoBoingo	so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010	[14:16]
trinque	yeah, I was recalling that	[14:16]
trinque	it's ever clearer to me that there can be no sanity apart from economic sanity, and that everything good outside bitcoin will rot in the sun meanwhile	[14:17]
PeterL	seems like this fits here: http://xkcd.com/1570/	[14:18]
assbot	xkcd: Engineer Syllogism ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqHY0m )	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	trinque quite. economic sanity is the cornerstone.	[14:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00071328 = 5.5636 BTC [+] {4}	[14:20]
BingoBoingo	lol, my thing stays connected pretty well i guess. << You hit a mega netsplit earleir	[14:21]
punkman	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2	[14:22]
assbot	'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254403 << im too lazy to dig up where he had a chance to run a mpif thing.	[14:22]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 13:47:54; kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=143725996614627&w=2 << this is actually a good idea.	[14:24]
assbot	'tame(2) WIP' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqIw6j )	[14:24]
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punkman	well here then, have 100 diffs http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=144070638327053&w=2	[14:24]
assbot	'Using tame() in userland' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqINpZ )	[14:24]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN55z3jm6FHwhux20_1280.jpg	[14:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJ4ZR )	[14:26]
danielpbarron	https://archive.is/HcDXP	[14:32]
assbot	DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	lolwut.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	in similar news : why does this make one cringe and think "crash!" http://40.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c64zy1zmxmAyOiEu3_500.jpg ?	[14:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJTBW )	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	"Does DP give you creap" ?!	[14:33]
trinque	deleted my twatter the other day	[14:34]
trinque	totally useless	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha wait, "i'm the soccer mom married to a fbi derp" "i was an anarchist" ? what else was the retard, a cheerleader ?	[14:34]
BingoBoingo	probably useless for you trinque barely useful for me	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	"i was in the spelling bee!"	[14:34]
*	mircea_popescu compulsively clicks on all the stuff b-a people put in chan.	[14:34]
trinque	BingoBoingo: I can sort of see its use as a weird, centralized RSS	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	trinque a decade ago in ro it was where all the minxen decided to gather.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	went to shit within the year.	[14:35]
kakobrekla	>It doesn't seem to be one you use often. Personally, being on lists has never been a good thing for me. < now you are on the list of people not being on the list!	[14:35]
BingoBoingo	trinque: Not at all for that. It's another broadcast channel so long as it lasts. Also useful for yelling at small market sports commentators	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo who for some reason thin kit matters.	[14:35]
trinque	mircea_popescu: terrible incentives. I told a chick the other day that she communicates like she expects her sentences to be retweeted.	[14:35]
trinque	it's a shallow narcissism amplifier	[14:36]
trinque	as reddit	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	i guess that's the one true social media lifecycle : packaging attacks the sort of derps who buy into packaging, which in turn attract the trolls, who naturally feed on them.	[14:36]
trinque	BingoBoingo: I'd rather messaging were solved by a cryptographically sane protocol	[14:36]
trinque	you know, like some kind of internet	[14:36]
danielpbarron	twitter is useful for trolling, although they are cracking down on that by coming up with ways to sort replies so that the less favorable ones get hidden behind "click to see the rest" b.s.	[14:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel	[14:37]
trinque	doesn't twitter have an HR-department style "don't be mean" policy now?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	trinque you gotta appreciate young female mating behaviour. what they generally do is pick a small ante.	[14:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00071464 = 7.4323 BTC [+] {3}	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	like "gotta own a car" or "gotta be in X club" or so forth	[14:37]
BingoBoingo	It's all about who you are mean to.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	changes maybe every 6 months by now	[14:38]
trinque	"gotta like all my pinterests"	[14:38]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[14:38]
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mircea_popescu	nah it's never subjective like that.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	(seinfeld kinda moicks it in their own retarded toothless way with the marine biologist.	[14:39]
BingoBoingo	Anyways I think a Fundnation account even puts forth qntra nao https://archive.is/LEfBR	[14:39]
assbot	Bitcoin on Twitter: "Bitcoin Nodes: Surviving a Transaction Flood \| Qntra http://t.co/qr4GDO5ssM" ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJNNx0 )	[14:39]
trinque	what I'm thinking of is this general "pay attention to me" I've heard a great deal lately	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	it's usually absurdistanisms of the sort. they drive the type of thinker PeterL's cartoon illustrates absolutely fucking batshit	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	which i suspect is 50% of how "mtgow" got started)	[14:39]
PeterL	"If I follow these steps, the girls will want to date me" sort of thinking?	[14:40]
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mircea_popescu	not EXACTLY.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	it's a fundamental expectation that a) world is reasonably constructed and b) the reasons are accessible. to him.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	now, a may or may not be true. but b ? fuck you lmao.	[14:40]
trinque	hm.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	the last time things made sense to me i was 5 years old.	[14:41]
trinque	sounds like female expectation is fundamentally irrational then.	[14:41]
trinque	magical, even	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	trinque how you figure ?	[14:41]
trinque	well how far does this "accessible to him" go?	[14:41]
trinque	I've heard lots of moaning about "make the world the way I want" from women	[14:41]
trinque	generally repulses me	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	"women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.	[14:42]
trinque	hm, why is rationality on the side of the defeated?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	(and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	trinque well think about it. what does "rational" mean ? that YOU can understand it, right ?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.	[14:43]
trinque	yes, something like I have a model of reality (even if incomplete) and act coherently within that model?	[14:44]
trinque	that makes sense	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	the demand to rationality reduces to "act in a manner i can understand"	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	dominating your environment reduces to ... understanding it.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	ergo...	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	"why can't you be more like plants, said the sheep to the wolf"	[14:44]
trinque	perfectly clear.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	"be more rational!"	[14:44]
ascii_field	eh, a man with his head off also 'acts in manner his opponent can understand'	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	obviously.	[14:45]
ascii_field	but so does executioner	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	and this is why "incomprehensible" and "evil" are so deeply entertwined throughout the history of thought.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	it's very plain game theory at work.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	why do people think whosoever they don't grasp is inspired by satan himself ?	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	because... they are, lol.	[14:46]
ascii_field	now this was always plainly obvious to students of witchcraft prosecutions	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field executioner ipso definitio is not an agent.	[14:46]
ascii_field	he is the tool, like the axe. but king who ordered 'heads off', is also acting predictably, no ?	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	but, importantly, teaching the controversy re the 2nd ammendment in terms of "to own or not to own guns" is nonsense.	[14:47]
ascii_field	or perhaps not --- http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/cold_iron.html	[14:47]
assbot	Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: Cold Iron ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOeYa )	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	the core of that is RESEVING THE RIGHT TO SHOOT THE TAXMAN.	[14:47]
mircea_popescu	which is why http://trilema.com/2015/joe-stack-1956-2010/ is an american hero.	[14:47]
assbot	Joe Stack (1956-2010) on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJOiqW )	[14:47]
trinque	hear hear	[14:48]
ascii_field	it's kinda like 'the right to behead vikings'	[14:48]
ascii_field	they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em	[14:48]
ascii_field	could not collect danegeld.	[14:48]
trinque	just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the thing that [used to] make the us unique was that unlike any other state before, it had this actually plainly said and plainly recorded :	[14:48]
trinque	my local meetwot in austin practically had a celebration in the day's after Stack	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	"it is a right of the citizens to do away with the taxman if they don't like what he does"	[14:49]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: aha. then the 'federalists' won.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	just depends on how willing you are to commit to a final act << this is integral to any possiblity of win, lol.	[14:49]
ascii_field	see 'shay's rebellion' and 'whiskey rebellion	[14:49]
ascii_field	'	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	you can't win.	[14:49]
ascii_field	there was no more beheading of the tax man after this.	[14:49]
trinque	but you know, the rebel flag is racis	[14:49]
PeterL	in the US nowadays, the fedgov size only goes up	[14:51]
trinque	that's good; same end state as cancer	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	it has to.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	the state has two stable sizes. very small and =1.	[14:51]
BingoBoingo	try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen. << The most fun part of the game is looking for a way to inflict maximum damage by sacrificing your own queen	[14:51]
PeterL	people are reaching that point where they realize they can just vote for the guy who promises to give them the most of other people's money	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	yup	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	so everyone must be made to think they work for govt	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	often this means giving them actual jobs.	[14:52]
PeterL	"increase the dole"	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	also, pulpo. http://36.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN51c9k8e39inzouf_1280.jpg	[14:52]
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trinque	I'm pretty amused by Trump. We can't even do the angry-demagogue phase of the thing right.	[14:52]
trinque	guy's just slightly rude, and this is all we can muster	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	he's a fine pappen.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	you think, by the way, "oh, weimar republic was weak so strong leader arose in hitler". this is bunk.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	there were > 100 of them running around before you get to hitler.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	much like stalin was a minor player. until he wasn't.	[14:55]
thestringpuller	mod6 ben_vulpes https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/cuipewb << Luke-Jr calls the foundation's client obsolete and insecure.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	which is what mp said... 6 months ago.	[14:56]
PeterL	foundation client or phoundation client?	[14:57]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he's talking about therealbitcoin	[14:57]
ascii_field	the former	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	so then the faux foundation ?	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	he should say that.	[14:58]
trinque	well, he's obsolete and insecure	[14:58]
ascii_field	he's speaking of 0.5.3-therealbitcoin	[14:58]
thestringpuller	^^^-yea	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why people insist of talking of things using the wrong words.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	he wants to talk about the scam-foundation faux-client, he can say that	[14:58]
ascii_field	'obsolete, insecure' aha. where do we seppuku	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	no need to keep trying to actualise his hopes in speech.	[14:59]
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BingoBoingo	!rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure	[15:05]
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trinque	tellingly, the guy still idles here and reads logs.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	"gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".	[15:05]
BingoBoingo	!rate luke-jr -1 obsolete, insecure, BFL delivery bet scam	[15:06]
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mircea_popescu	tinder not switch.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck does googling "ipad dating app" return... "heavy.com". wtf is that even	[15:08]
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trinque	"aggregator" aka ad dumping ground	[15:08]
trinque	looks like	[15:08]
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BingoBoingo	!rate asciilifeform 10 Shiva destroyer of Worlds	[15:09]
trinque	and yeah, Tinder's the one. I couldn't be less interested.	[15:09]
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trinque	there's also OkCupid if you want the pretense of personality involved	[15:09]
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trinque	tinder you just swipe through pictures and upvote people	[15:11]
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trinque	speaking of which, ey yo jurov, friendly reminder that I can't change mailman settings	[15:14]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: culturally I think the US is getting to the point where everyone's going insane for lack of "No."	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIxOl1EraXA << check out her fucking hair omfg.	[15:16]
assbot	Mireille Mathieu singing La Marseillaise (with lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hJPMS2 )	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	and yet, easily best marseillaise to date.	[15:16]
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trinque	ah I've heard this one I think	[15:17]
trinque	yep	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	rare to find a french girl that says the r fucking proper.	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	all this lazy italian shit.	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	(french r being very much its own, quite specific thing. like cheese.)	[15:18]
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BingoBoingo	And that should be it for nao	[15:25]
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thestringpuller	trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."	[15:37]
trinque	bet she was	[15:37]
trinque	Tinder after all, is repackaged Grindr iirc	[15:38]
trinque	the latter being a gay app for dick-shopping	[15:38]
trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAJ8KLGqis << and apropos of nothing, here's a gem in the sea of electronic shit	[15:38]
assbot	Aphex Twin - minipops 67 [120.2][source field mix] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDoiaQ )	[15:38]
ascii_field	trinque: any reason to believe the story ?	[15:39]
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trinque	ascii_field: which?	[15:40]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253617 << on a related note, from my local fishwrap: http://i.imgur.com/XzTzaAX.jpg	[15:40]
assbot	Logged on 27-08-2015 21:40:59; mircea_popescu: now showing... tarzan.	[15:40]
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ascii_field	trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254743 << it	[15:40]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."	[15:40]
trinque	ah I'm wrong re tinder and grindr, not related, just one imitated the other	[15:40]
trinque	ascii_field: I know plenty of whores, man	[15:40]
trinque	lol	[15:40]
ascii_field	trinque: not the fact of there being somewhere a whore	[15:41]
ascii_field	the other assertions	[15:41]
trinque	depends on the chick, but if you're not fat, have all your teeth, and so on, I find it hard to believe a girl couldn't find a lay on such a thing	[15:41]
ascii_field	AND WITHOUT	[15:41]
thestringpuller	^^^- chicks be in Brooklyn be awkward yo.	[15:42]
thestringpuller	see: "Broad City" these girls actually exist.	[15:42]
trinque	heh I actually find both of those rather attractive.	[15:43]
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trinque	hilarious show, too	[15:43]
thestringpuller	trinque and my girlfriend would get along	[15:43]
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thestringpuller	ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3E9YD7G.txt << the original article. transposed especially for you!	[15:59]
punkman	http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/08/26/763754/10147328/en/Overstock-com-to-Acquire-SpeedRoute-Technologies-and-Related-Businesses.html	[16:00]
assbot	Overstock.com to Acquire SpeedRoute Technologies and Related Businesses Nasdaq:OSTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDqpeX )	[16:00]
punkman	""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.' The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com: making financial markets more fair and efficient through the application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."	[16:01]
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ascii_field	thestringpuller: reads entirely like an especially imbecilic vendor shill	[16:01]
thestringpuller	it does, doesn't it. but it seems entirely plausible	[16:01]
trinque	"democratize" !!	[16:02]
trinque	my interest is embiggened	[16:02]
ascii_field	the 'funny cartoonist' bit settles it	[16:02]
trinque	so, I've been running alsa for quite a while without software mixing, only to bother looking into it this week (surely this could be done before pulseaudio!)	[16:06]
trinque	I burned out the poetteringaudio before even bothering with an alternative	[16:07]
trinque	and... dmix	[16:07]
trinque	wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface	[16:07]
trinque	lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume	[16:07]
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punkman	I always remember this picture http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png	[16:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrlzW )	[16:08]
trinque	hideous	[16:09]
trinque	how can open source result in anything else?	[16:11]
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punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kadmdU6oc	[16:12]
assbot	Handsome Boy Modeling School - Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDrO5e )	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	wtf is pulseaudio even for, except moar attack surface << Really that's all it is	[16:13]
punkman	it's like X for audio	[16:13]
trinque	if I want my music over there, I'm gonna run mpd over there... and connect to it	[16:13]
trinque	punkman: not bad tunes	[16:14]
trinque	from the perspective of utility, sure, having plan9-like network transparency sounds neat	[16:16]
trinque	for devices, etc	[16:16]
trinque	but... not on this operating system, and not on this hardware	[16:17]
trinque	punkman: this your playlist? it picked lovage next	[16:17]
trinque	Mike Patton is god.	[16:18]
trinque	dan the automator also.	[16:18]
thestringpuller	ugh Fucking Mr. Bungle	[16:18]
thestringpuller	He was only good in Mr. Bungle and only for like 2 albums.	[16:18]
trinque	untrue.	[16:18]
punkman	trinque: no I guess that's youtube magic	[16:18]
trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp8U6Mt_OG8 << patton was also a better dillinger than dillinger	[16:19]
assbot	The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (2002) [Full EP] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsxTU )	[16:19]
trinque	though hardcore's not for everyone	[16:19]
thestringpuller	I love disco volante by Mr. Bungle	[16:19]
thestringpuller	And I love the esoteric/avant garde music that kinda breached from it like Estradasphere	[16:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00070076 = 2.0672 BTC [-] {2}	[16:20]
trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnauET6TwYI << my favorite mr bungle	[16:20]
assbot	Mr. Bungle - Pink Cigarette - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsDLa )	[16:20]
thestringpuller	oh the 90's. California was an okay album	[16:21]
thestringpuller	only cause Disco Volante was mindblowing	[16:21]
thestringpuller	trinque: totally got me nostalgia for early college days. :P	[16:23]
fluffypony	wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/google_apple_ads/	[16:23]
assbot	Google tells iOS 9 app devs: Switch off HTTPS if you want that sweet sweet ad money from us • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfpL6 )	[16:23]
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trinque	fluffypony: Tim Cook has at least paid lip-service to privacy	[16:24]
trinque	for whatever that's worth, not a lot imo	[16:24]
punkman	fluffypony: I see no difference between the two	[16:24]
trinque	sure, "Messages" is end-to-end encrypted. and they can pull the keys from you at any time	[16:24]
danielpbarron	since when is https considered 'privacy' ?	[16:24]
fluffypony	punkman: Apple has enabled HTTPS-everywhere in iOS 9, and Google is saying that you have to disable it in your app if you want to serve Google Ads and gets paid	[16:25]
trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3TrvhsrYs << one more patton track	[16:25]
assbot	Faith No More- Land of Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfBKD )	[16:25]
fluffypony	danielpbarron: private in terms of your ISP or someone else at the coffee shop sniffing your connection	[16:25]
fluffypony	not private private	[16:25]
fluffypony	hence pro-privacy	[16:25]
punkman	fluffypony: meta-privacy?	[16:26]
trinque	kinda like how I'm free	[16:26]
danielpbarron	a lock to keep out the people who wouldn't have tried anyway	[16:26]
trinque	sing. and rejoice! and sing. and rejoice!	[16:26]
fluffypony	danielpbarron: I've often used ARP poisoning at coffee shops, for shits and giggles	[16:26]
trinque	heh.. they're "trying to be private" !	[16:27]
danielpbarron	if you are reading it, it's written for you (TM)	[16:27]
trinque	so I've been looking into pagers, speaking of smartphones	[16:29]
trinque	alphanumeric pocsag	[16:29]
trinque	it seems to do everything I'd ever want	[16:29]
trinque	for longer messages, send out a page with a URL to an encrypted paste, or something	[16:29]
trinque	and you can retrieve whenever you feel like at some wifi hotspot	[16:29]
trinque	finding a paging service is rough... seems like I want to find a reseller for americanmessaging.net	[16:30]
trinque	biggest network from what I've seen	[16:30]
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trinque	lol	[16:31]
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thestringpuller	http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << Interview with Gavin on how bitcion is going to die if we don't listen!!!!1111	[16:31]
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ben_vulpes	ninjashogun and luke-jr sitting in a tree	[16:37]
ben_vulpes	d-e-r-p-i-n-g	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	the other assertions << college is slightly harder because tight packed in sardine can. other girls keep tabs on the hot guys.	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only << hurrr. nice lol.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume << quite.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, guy didn't come out of nowhere. he was prepping for it longer than it'd have take to do 5 bootcamps.	[16:43]
punkman	audio server has some uses but not for civilian	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side << google just wants their "privacy". https et all.	[16:45]
trinque	punkman: given existing computing systems, I'd rather run a wire than use pulseaudio's streaming	[16:46]
ben_vulpes	trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttGJ3il62Y	[16:46]
assbot	Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDviof )	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/xZCzkpWy24rbgiqfEkfOLoW0_500.jpg << win.	[16:47]
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trinque	lol, somebody bought me "moon shoes" when I was a kid	[16:48]
trinque	things were terrible	[16:48]
ben_vulpes	seeed is amazing	[16:48]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[16:48]
trinque	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81HYaGSkfFL._SL1500_.jpg	[16:48]
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trinque	I love the way the german language sounds.	[16:49]
trinque	was trying to learn; the myriad articles still kick my puny english ass	[16:50]
trinque	though their specificity, I'm sure very useful	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	what myriad dood, there's 3.	[16:51]
trinque	"this particular one of the set" which is what, dieser?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	you should see fucking romanian or russian if german is myriad	[16:51]
trinque	that stood out as glaringly absent in english	[16:51]
trinque	oh, I admitted my english puniness	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	trinque depends on gender.	[16:51]
trinque	lol	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	but just because english makes a mess of vocative case / demonstrative pronoun / possesives etc doesn't mean much.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	(demonstrative is what got boiled down into this/that/these/those)	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	most languages also have a posessive, which in english is conflated in his/hers/theirs.	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	like in romanian you can ask "ale cui is pizdele astea ?" (whose are these cunts ?) and the anser come "ale aceluia" (that guy's) or ale aceleia (that gal's) etc.	[16:53]
ben_vulpes	trinque: dancehall caballeros is another excellent track of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYg9omPYx_M	[16:54]
assbot	Seeed - Dancehall Caballeros (official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDw4S6 )	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	so you have the seemingly confounding a/al/ai/ale + acesta/acela aceasta/aceea acestia/aceia acestea/acelea. for a grand total of omfg it's romanian - the gathering!	[16:54]
trinque	yeah, I can begin to see how a particular language can limit the specificity of expression	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	(these three males) + (belonging to that guy) = ai aceluia ; (this single female) + (belonging to that group of females) = a acelora.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[16:55]
trinque	will have to dedicate some later part of life to improving my grasp of other languages.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	just study latin.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	pretty much all structure of language at the outset of possibility is in there. once you learn it it's just "fill the colors" for any other.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	which is why it used to be mandatory for learned gentlemen.	[16:56]
trinque	makes sense.	[16:56]
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ascii_field	ru works also.	[16:57]
ascii_field	(for illustrating the above.)	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	classic education in russian puts one at no disadvantage.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	certainly nothing like english does anyway	[16:58]
ascii_field	no pluralgenderedpossessive though	[16:58]
ascii_field	(it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	incidentally the little card trading game illustrated above is the romanian #1 class distinguisher.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	"are you a pleb or did your parents have enough spare food in your childhood to have the time to teach you the fucking cases"	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	and yes, about half the population doesn't get them right on the first try.	[17:01]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[17:02]
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trinque	I've suspected due to the way russian speakers speak english, "a" and "the" might be absent or expressed differently	[17:04]
ascii_field	trinque: ru lacks articles	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	it declines and you're supposed to guess from declension	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	very...chinese, really.	[17:05]
trinque	IRC seems to have influenced me to drop certain subjects, certain articles	[17:08]
mod6	ascii_field: 195.211.154.159 << looks down	[17:08]
trinque	at least while on IRC, not elsewhere	[17:08]
ascii_field	mod6: loads here	[17:09]
mod6	hm i dunno, maybe it'll come back	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.	[17:09]
ascii_field	aha you can't 'homo homini lupus est' (tm) in english	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	homini / homines	[17:10]
mod6	http://dpaste.com/2DSEFH7.txt	[17:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1i84zFK )	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	"homo homines lupus est" = man is the wolf of men.	[17:11]
mod6	level3 has some weird shit going on	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	mod6 srsly.	[17:11]
ascii_field	mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field no you can, check it out : man is the wolf of men / man is wolf to men.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	english, as spoken by the fucking queen, before they got the current crop of hamburg tavern wenches, was in point of fact an actual language.	[17:11]
trinque	is that "homini" like "upon other men"	[17:12]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: that's an explanation, i dare say, not a translation	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	trinque one's "to whom ?" the other is "to where"	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field much like the british empire was a pretension, not a reality.	[17:12]
trinque	right, takes much more verbosity to convey similar, but not the same meaning	[17:12]
trinque	as with git vs V	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	a language clearly intended to be spoken to horses.	[17:14]
trinque	seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases	[17:14]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254742 <<< we're yet to even share a meal or a woman, 8-10 does not leave much room eh?	[17:15]
assbot	Logged on 28-08-2015 18:23:48; BingoBoingo: And that should be it for nao	[17:15]
*	trinque recalls the "visual programming" project, sees it now as an autoimmune reaction to english and various not-lisps	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	cazalla maybe he knows something you don't.	[17:15]
cazalla	perhaps, but i suspect BingoBoingo had a few drinks much like myself last night	[17:16]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: We share a business. It's survived nearly a year. Also the particular numbers next to ratings don't exactly mean much.	[17:16]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, I did the WoT clean up just a little bit ago	[17:17]
BingoBoingo	Sober, my weekend doesn't start for a few more hours	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	"how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.	[17:19]
cazalla	BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	for instance, in english : "they found the body" (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	in romanian : au gasit ~corpul~ [neinsufletit] ; fumatul face rau ~organismului~ ; acesta este ~trupul~ lui hristos.	[17:20]
BingoBoingo	More than anything I use the numbers as a rough combination of interactions and "bus factor"	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	three fucking words. because one's the mechanical body, and the other the biologic body, and the third the metaphysical body.	[17:20]
shinohai	corpus Christi	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	hence "hot bod" = femeie trupesa. ie, transcendental.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	whereas the idea of body as in "body politic" is all but dead in english, today.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	(that'd be the third there)	[17:21]
trinque	hm, yeah. I have trouble with that one.	[17:22]
trinque	might've used "soul" there in the past	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	trinque can you explain the difference between cosmos and universe ?	[17:22]
trinque	causes me to think, but I'll first suppose that the former includes the multitude of things within, and the latter refers to the structure within which those things exist	[17:24]
trinque	but I'm by no means happy with those definitions	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	but can you explain the difference between graph and set ?	[17:24]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: trup, l0l, труп == corpse	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field aha.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field which in romanian is cadavru, mostly.	[17:25]
ascii_field	trupesa <<< ahahahahaha gold	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	literally.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	it is perhaps antiquated by now. but it's what rubens' good looking women were.	[17:26]
trinque	well, a set would be a rigorously defined category of things sharing properties	[17:26]
trinque	set of real numbers	[17:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00071552 = 2.2897 BTC [+]	[17:27]
trinque	a graph is a web of relationships	[17:27]
trinque	I don't know that the relationships need be between things which would be considered to be in the same set	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	trinque quite exactly : a cosmos is the graph of perceptibles. a universe is the set of perceptibles.	[17:27]
trinque	very interesting.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	and as you might realise, cosmos-focused cultures write fundamentally differfent software from universe-focused culturesa	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	the latter are preoccupied chiefly with entrance barriers, and are debating, predictably, if building a wall across colorado is worth the hassle.	[17:28]
trinque	is this sort of phenomenological thinking vs thinking in terms of theory and structure?	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	as if you know. but hey, the sets are rheaaallly very important to them i tell you.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	maybe	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	it makes [some kinds of] science easier	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	but those kids are pointedly nothing "social".	[17:29]
BingoBoingo	Look at the herp derps trying to qntra ineptly https://archive.is/k8bEv	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	(and the difference is quite understood by native english speakers, at that. consider how "universal karma" sounds vs "cosmic karma". which evokes govt bureaucracy and why ?)	[17:30]
assbot	Bitcoin Businesses Take Steps to Prepare for CoinWallet’s September Stress Test – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1i86rhM )	[17:30]
trinque	mircea_popescu: hell, my old boss before I struck back out on my own used "cosmic" constantly	[17:31]
mod6	ascii_field: ok np, seems to be happy again	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.	[17:31]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[17:33]
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trinque	assbot's sleepy	[17:33]
trinque	forgets about sessions after a bit, I guess	[17:33]
trinque	mircea_popescu: makes sense. collecting sea shells on a stroll is not thinking	[17:33]
*	trinque happens upon a crab next	[17:34]
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mircea_popescu	not the point. the point is that "phenomenology" is directly equivalent with "which discusses things that happen"	[17:34]
trinque	point is that one may think about phenomena, and not with?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	you can contrast it with ontology, or gnoseology for that matter. and obviously you can build other quite clever sturctures. but yours didn't mean anything is all.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	well certainly not at the same time	[17:35]
trinque	rather, I suppose I am thinking with phenomena	[17:35]
*	trinque knocks on head	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	whatcha mean ?	[17:36]
trinque	that the zaps in synapses are phenomena	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	well they are, if you're looking at it. to the neurologist or w/e.	[17:37]
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kakobrekla	trinque voice part is session based, bot was restarted to ignore deedbot- rss links	[17:42]
*	trinque nods	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/njE9Bw4rv4ifb1froOaf5mGd_250.jpg << wonder woman.	[17:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1i87rT9 )	[17:42]
trinque	drawn by a radical feminist guy, iirc	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi	[17:45]
BingoBoingo	lolfond http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2839	[17:47]
assbot	JL: ‘I Feel Like A Second Class Citizen’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSEpOb )	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	"Furthermore, when the nobility went to war, they would employ foreign mercenaries as auxiliary troops." << this, in partiucular, is rank nonsense.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	mercenary troops wehre the late medieval/renaissance equivalent of art collecting.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	they never had any military value or utility.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	(much like the reformed us military is about as useless as sugared sardines)	[17:51]
trinque	there's no particular oppression of the whites going on except as a subset of the kind of oppression the socialist state commits generally	[17:52]
trinque	if they pit one group against another, great. serves it well	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	yes there is	[17:53]
trinque	and I'm skeptical there are even "groups" to speak of	[17:53]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: 'Bescher' uns armen Landsknecht...'	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	they're fucked in the head.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	that's all the opression anyone's ever getting.	[17:53]
ascii_field	( http://ingeb.org/Lieder/unserlie.html )	[17:53]
assbot	Unser lieben Frauen vom kalten Bronnen / Unser liebe Fraue vom kalten Bronnen	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ask the earl d'alencon	[17:55]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Teenager Receives Eleven Years Prison, Lifetime Supervision In Exchange For Guilty Plea - http://qntra.net/2015/08/teenager-receives-eleven-years-prison-lifetime-supervision-in-exchange-for-guilty-plea/	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:06]
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ascii_field	'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?	[18:07]
cazalla	i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	nah	[18:07]
ascii_field	in usa	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	cazalla pretty fucking stupid deal, yeah. who the fuck advises these people.	[18:08]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, let it be said that joining isis is both morally sounder and economically wiser a choice than applying to any us college.	[18:08]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria37d9mInY	[18:10]
assbot	George's Answering Machine (HQ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSGPws )	[18:10]
cazalla	amusing that 20 years on, George no longer looks like typical fat American	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	GEORGE: Really? (Jerry shakes his head) Maybe this will become like a cool thing, living with your parents.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	JERRY: (sarcastically)Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	fat loser had it : 20 years later america went hius way.	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_1280.jpg	[18:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrkZx )	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/12035309_500.jpg even	[18:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MTrnEI )	[18:29]
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ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: dja hear about the new indigo compound?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	no ?	[18:37]
ben_vulpes	http://subramanian.science.oregonstate.edu/news/pigment-discovery-media-attention	[18:38]
assbot	Pigment Discovery Media Attention \| Subramanian Research Group \| Oregon State University ... ( http://bit.ly/1KSJpm9 )	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	pigment, not dye	[18:38]
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ben_vulpes	crappy link, i know	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	saw the guy speak a month or so ago. rather entertaining.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	i hadn't even known oregon has a university.	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	girls resorted to passing each other notes out of boredom once we descended into the crystal structure.	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	oi!	[18:38]
ben_vulpes	where do you think intel gets its cheap post docs?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	ah more of that yttrium-manganese stuff.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool huh.	[18:41]
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ascii_field	i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes it's mostly a private joke, between /me and ex osu undergrad	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field not like it's this-or-that.	[18:42]
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ben_vulpes	aha	[18:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00071471 = 2.1084 BTC [-]	[18:58]
cazalla	cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."	[19:10]
cazalla	from http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/silk-road-prosecutors-talk-about-bitcoin-ripple-money-laundering-1517414 which has some good lulz	[19:11]
assbot	Silk Road prosecutors talk about Bitcoin, Ripple and money laundering ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmM8Y )	[19:11]
cazalla	implies most, if not all exchanges are coughing up customer info upon request too	[19:11]
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assbot	Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCmYVz )	[19:13]
ascii_field	srsly, 'consensus' ?!	[19:13]
ascii_field	that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ?	[19:14]
ascii_field	'Organisations like PayPal, Wells Fargo, the US Department of Justice and leading technologists and investors were among the buyers of our first batch of tickets.'	[19:14]
ascii_field	not even trying to pretend otherwise, l0l	[19:14]
ascii_field	betcha mircea_popescu will especially love 'Hear from Xapo's founder Wences Casares, who has been called 'patient zero' for bitcoin in Silicon Valley, on his deal to monetise micropayments in bitcoin with Argentina's biggest social network.'	[19:15]
cazalla	oh look, a makeathon! how about it asciilifeform ?	[19:15]
cazalla	i would pay to watch a live stream of you in that room	[19:16]
ascii_field	wtf am i to do there.	[19:16]
cazalla	make all the things with other aspiring blockchain developers, what else?	[19:17]
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phf	livecode a 20mb block support to golang btcd	[19:18]
thestringpuller	ascii_field: when you say pet you mean like a cat or significant other you are sometimes inside of?	[19:19]
ascii_field	the latter	[19:19]
ascii_field	i don't have a cat	[19:19]
ascii_field	(though i have cats orbiting the house)	[19:19]
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thestringpuller	reminds me of tv show wehre characters are like "Is Molly his wife or his dog?"	[19:20]
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trinque	http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum.	[20:51]
assbot	Gavin Andresen on Why Bitcoin Will Become Unreliable Next Year Without an Urgent Fix \| MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3pNa )	[20:51]
trinque	http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/ << mind-bogglingly disrespectful to one of the greatest inventors in recent history	[20:52]
assbot	Meet Gavin Andresen, the Most Powerful Person in the World of Bitcoin \| MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3uAx )	[20:52]
trinque	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://phys.org/news/2015-08-appeals-court-reverses-nsa-illegal.html << perhaps a qntra	[20:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:54]
moonpunter	leave it to boston	[20:54]
assbot	Appeals court reverses ruling that found NSA program illegal ... ( http://bit.ly/1WY3CzS )	[20:54]
trinque	moonpunter: that invention... you didn't make that	[20:56]
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trinque	I must've been one of a handful of USian kids in the last generation taught respect, if nothing else	[20:59]
trinque	now it's "Get in there, you world-changer! Make your mark!" and piss on our every monument	[21:01]
moonpunter	what invention?	[21:06]
*	moonpunter is lost	[21:06]
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trinque	moonpunter: Bitcoin.	[21:10]
trinque	I am referencing our glorious head of state's comments re: business	[21:11]
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moonpunter	ah	[21:24]
moonpunter	Agent Bell	[21:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00070883 = 6.7339 BTC [-] {3}	[21:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00071879 = 7.3317 BTC [+] {4}	[21:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.0006982 = 8.4482 BTC [-] {6}	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ? << in a word, yes.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	there';s no dream like pipe dream.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	and iirc xapo founder was trying his darndest to elicit attention here to little result.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	trinque let them get invested, all the more shit to pretend like "never happened".	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	like the scam foundation never pushed bfl and so forth.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	"the man who really invented bitcoin" has a lot to explain re my cock up his throat.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	more things that "couldn't have happened" etc.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	also in the news, the "gum wars" of the 80s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/RF2VdCBLi47dakvvoIKvQ6fh_500.jpg	[22:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1F4Ggxs )	[22:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00069809 = 6.7017 BTC [-]	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	and the viking madchen of the 40s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN46jpl344v9716wi_1280.jpg	[22:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KrT4Eo )	[22:34]
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kakobrekla	;;tslb	[22:39]
gribble	Time since last block: 1 hour, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds	[22:39]
mats	o_o	[23:04]
mats	;;bc,stats	[23:05]
gribble	Current Blocks: 371981 \| Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 \| Next Difficulty In: 978 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[23:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6229 @ 0.00071318 = 4.4424 BTC [+]	[23:08]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	i formally declare the hosting subcontractor to be a piece of shit	[23:24]
asciilifeform	and wish to make this known.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	my thirtybux/mo penIII idiot box in american datacenter, in contrast, now hosting 'incitatus', has had one unscheduled reset in ~6 years.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	dulap has had three in almost as many months.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	phuctor is now in recalculatory limbo, and may be for weeks; and therealbitcoin node is in blackhole limbo	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[23:43]
gribble	Time since last block: 1 minute and 54 seconds	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but it's bulletproof!!11	[23:44]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:44]
asciilifeform	evidently not shitproof though.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing	[23:49]
asciilifeform	who? the hoster?	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that yeah	[23:50]
asciilifeform	that would be not unlike bank not grokking 'don't smear shit over contents of safe deposit box'	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting	[23:50]
asciilifeform	not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	yea	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	what are youn gonna do once p runs out of ram ?	[23:52]
asciilifeform	we run out of sks long before this	[23:52]
asciilifeform	but at some point it would need more, yes.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	sure but nevertheless	[23:52]
asciilifeform	then multiple boxes and clever things with pairwise gcd.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	but i don't actually expect to live this long.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	there's a limit on how many humans may be people at the same time	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	imposed by adressable ram size.	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	that's the true meaning of "4096"	[23:53]
asciilifeform	approximately.	[23:53]
asciilifeform	sadly there appears to be a much smaller limit in practice	[23:54]
asciilifeform	imposed by fuck-knows-what.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	WHERE the actual cosmos is in this entire new "computer universe" never ceases to shock and amaze.	[23:54]
*	mircea_popescu never could have predicted the "should be enough for anyone" magic number really discusses "how manby people may be alive"	[23:54]
asciilifeform	hilariously folks still discuss the situation in purely geometric or even thermodynamic terms	[23:55]
asciilifeform	'how many fit'	[23:55]
asciilifeform	presumption being that planet ought to resemble a poultry plant	[23:56]
asciilifeform	can fit 3x if you saw off the beaks, aha.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	http://41.media.tumblr.com/XeVQDo0c63zgmd47cc6hmoEs_500.jpg	[23:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hmoFeO )	[23:57]
asciilifeform	petrocheez	[23:58]

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