Forum logs for 27 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

chetty	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByZD6KmCYAAFFHm.jpg	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	chetty quite.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	pity it doesn't also mention how bush and his lackey blair lied about imagined "weapons" that they themselves did have, but iraq did not have.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	all this mess stemming from the intellectually bankrupt ideology that there is such a thing as "progress" which somehow is made out of "change".	[00:06]
*	Jondo (~Jondo@unaffiliated/jondo) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	when mingled with the nonsensical misrepresentation of democracy as a representative process, the resulting hypergolic explosion scatters headless chickens over a large surface, which headless chickens then proceed to "do something" because they "have to do something"	[00:06]
*	only has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[00:08]
chetty	http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170705/tax-bureau-gets-swiss-bank-accounts-data	[00:11]
assbot	Tax bureau gets Swiss bank accounts data - BuenosAiresHerald.com	[00:11]
*	virtuals has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	everyone's whore, those swiss.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	"The head of the AFIP tax bureau Ricardo Echegaray received yesterday an encrypted CD from the French government containing information on 3,900 undeclared bank accounts of Argentine origin in the Swiss branch of HSBC. The original source of information is whistleblower Hervé Falciani, who worked as an IT engineer at the bank for seven years before deciding to leak what he saw as systemic tax evasion."	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	"“We will analyze the information on a case-by-case basis, and cross-reference this database with the taxpayers that have declared accounts on Switzerland’s HSBC,” Echegaray explained afterwards when meeting the press at the Argentine Embassy in France." << how about "we can't use stolen data".	[00:15]
ben_vulpes	and yet being "unbanked" is a bad thing to the libtard	[00:15]
*	RagnarDanneskjol has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	"According to Clarín’s supplement iEco, it was Falciani who originally contacted the Argentine authorities to talk about the list, but there was a legal obstacle to circumvent before the information could be used by AFIP: if the list was given straight to Echegaray outside official state channels, its validity would not have stood in front of a court of law.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	The fact that the information was today released by the French state to Echegaray under the legal umbrella of a bilateral agreement between both countries’ tax authorities on so-called double taxation put those doubts to rest."	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah lol, im sure it does.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	if you're poor.	[00:17]
*	RagnarDanneskjol (~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:17]
*	assbot gives voice to RagnarDanneskjol	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.0007508 = 23.8004 BTC [+] {2}	[00:19]
*	OX3_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[00:19]
*	OX3_ (~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:20]
*	kanzure (~kanzure@131.252.130.248) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:20]
*	agorecki has quit (Quit: Leaving)	[00:22]
chetty	http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/09/25/auf-dem-weg-in-den-autoritaeren-staat-ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein/	[00:22]
assbot	Auf dem Weg in den autoritren Staat: Ukraine fhrt Zwangsarbeit ein \| DEUTSCHE WIRTSCHAFTS NACHRICHTEN	[00:22]
*	empyex has quit ()	[00:23]
*	empyex (~mpextrade@unaffiliated/mpextradebot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:23]
*	ChanServ gives voice to empyex	[00:23]
*	virtuals (~virtuals@dsl-prvbrasgw1-50dc13-29.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:25]
*	xanthyos (xanthyos@silenceisdefeat.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1833 @ 0.00074927 = 1.3734 BTC [-]	[00:25]
*	kanzure has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)	[00:25]
*	assbot gives voice to xanthyos	[00:27]
*	markedathome (~markedath@unaffiliated/markedathome) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	“Butterfly Labs is disappointed in the heavy-handed actions of the Federal Trade Commission. In a rush to judgment, the FTC has acted as judge, jury and executioner, contrary to our intended system of governmental checks and balances. "	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	dude check them out, they're doing it EXACTLY .	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	“It appears the FTC has decided to go to war on bitcoin overall and is starting with Butterfly Labs. Butterfly Labs is being portrayed by the FTC as a bogus and fake company."	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	scammer won't change his tune even if his tune is pre-published years earlier. because.. why would he.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell jborkl you don't know where to start ? here's a suggestion as to where to start : http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/	[00:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:32]
assbot	Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	;;rated jborkl	[00:32]
gribble	You have not yet rated user jborkl	[00:32]
*	OX3__ (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	;;rated jborkl_	[00:33]
gribble	You rated user jborkl_ on Sat Feb 1 01:01:22 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: He blogs and stuff..	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	;;unrate jborkl_	[00:33]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for jborkl_.	[00:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17188 @ 0.00074873 = 12.8692 BTC [-]	[00:33]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:34]
*	kanzure (~kanzure@131.252.130.248) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:34]
*	OX3_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[00:35]
*	stormlight has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)	[00:39]
mats_cd03	bfl is bitcoin. good defense.	[00:41]
*	empyex has quit ()	[00:42]
*	Trix is now known as trixisowned	[00:42]
kakobrekla	bfl is buttcoin.	[00:42]
*	empyex (~mpextrade@unaffiliated/mpextradebot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:43]
*	ChanServ gives voice to empyex	[00:43]
*	Lycerion (~Lycerion@unaffiliated/lycerion) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:53]
*	Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).	[00:56]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[00:56]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[00:56]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[00:56]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[00:56]
-NickServ-	You failed to identify in time for the nickname mircea_popescu	[00:57]
*	You are now known as Guest36004	[00:57]
*	OX3__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[01:00]
*	OX3 (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:01]
*	OX3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[01:02]
*	OX3 (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:03]
*	mthreat has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[01:04]
*	paxtoncamaro91 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[01:07]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[01:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[01:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[01:09]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[01:09]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[01:10]
*	OX3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	soo, trying to daisychain nat routers. the 2nd one i configured to use as static ip 192.168.0.102 which is what the upstream one would have allocated it, and then 192.168.0.1 as gateway	[01:11]
*	OX3 (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	the router connects fine, as proven by knowing what time it is. computers connecting to it see its network, but fail to connect to the interwebs	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	what am i doing wrong here ?	[01:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00075231 = 14.971 BTC [+]	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	Did you make sure the goat was a virgin?	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	no but srsly.	[01:14]
BingoBoingo	Is it an issue with the firewall/packet-filter?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i would guess no.	[01:17]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[01:24]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[01:24]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[01:24]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[01:24]
dub	the meme that keeps on giving	[01:24]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	dub heh	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	so can the innermost lan think the router is 192:168:0:1 while the router thinks the other router is 192:168:0:1 ?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	hm, this shou;dn't work.	[01:27]
dub	correct	[01:28]
*	assbot gives voice to dignork	[01:30]
*	kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[01:31]
dignork	never tried it, but net 1 - 192.168.0.x, net 2 - 192.168.1.x should work if both use 255.255.255.0 mask	[01:31]
*	kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	so logically, the outside router is 192.168.0.1, and the inside router 192.168.0.102 in its system. however the public ip address of the inside router is 192.168 >> 1 <<< . 1	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	and everything magically works.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	dignork exactly. tyvm :)	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.	[01:34]
dub	lets see about 'everything'	[01:34]
*	DreadKnight (~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	dub i know enough to do port forwarding for things that iwant to work,	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	moreover i don't use so many dumb things that have annoying needs.	[01:35]
dub	hey, being a network engineer is kinda fun.	[01:42]
*	agorecki (~agorecki@S0106b8a38657b866.ok.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:43]
dub	get back to me when you've stood in a cold noisy DC on a con call to mumbai for 15 hours	[01:43]
dignork	dub: do you know of any sane alternative to wireshark? because working with <1G pcaps and re-reading the whole stupid file each time I change view filter hurts my sense of beauty	[01:47]
asciilifeform	dignork: tcpdump...	[01:47]
dignork	asciilifeform: it still works on unindexed raw file...	[01:47]
asciilifeform	also lol, mircea_popescu getting his boxes off dhcp just today...?	[01:47]
dub	ngrep et al are good for refining your set	[01:48]
asciilifeform	afaik there is no serious contender for alternative to 'wireshark.'	[01:48]
asciilifeform	just one of those things which there's precisely one of.	[01:48]
asciilifeform	(at least 'wireshark' is phreee, unlike 'ida')	[01:48]
dignork	they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close	[01:49]
*	chris___1 (~chris@cpe-70-116-50-78.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:49]
*	chris___1 is now known as mthreat	[01:50]
asciilifeform	chetty: ukraine-fuehrt-zwangsarbeit-ein << arbeit macht frei.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	dignork: which 'they'	[01:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up MolokoDesk	[01:52]
*	assbot gives voice to MolokoDesk	[01:52]
MolokoDesk	hi.	[01:52]
MolokoDesk	regarding the deedBot project: it's demonstratable now.	[01:52]
dignork	asciilifeform: on wireshark site they promoted some wunder-вафля which can work with large datasets, but it's not there anymore	[01:52]
MolokoDesk	and useable if you want to tolerate it's in-channel announcements. I'll make it terse by commenting most of those out. at that point it's ready to use.	[01:53]
RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu - pls ping MolokoDesk when you want to go over deed module	[01:53]
asciilifeform	dignork: haha, yes, it's gone.	[01:53]
MolokoDesk	the verbose messages are probably useful for the demo to discuss to any level of detail what it does and how it does it.	[01:53]
dub	wiresharks problem is being single thread iirc	[01:54]
BingoBoingo	Multithreading is just a workaround for the real problem	[01:55]
asciilifeform	dub: has other problems also	[01:55]
dignork	dub: it's IO bound mostly, so I'd vote for indexes :)	[01:55]
dub	dudes at old shop bought a wizbang 24 core/80?gigglebits machine for the purpose,then watched it humming along on 1 core	[01:56]
*	BingoBoingo is sad more people aren't building chips "Up" and making freon check a part of computer maintenance in more scenarios. Manhattan, New York instead of Manhattan, Kansas...	[01:59]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: ever own the old 'koolance' freon cpu gizmo ?	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: not at all	[02:01]
asciilifeform	nm, 'kryotech'	[02:01]
asciilifeform	http://images.anandtech.com/old/cooling/kryotech/renegade/diagram.jpg	[02:01]
asciilifeform	(why never caught on? answer: anything that can go below room temp. can have problems with condensation.)	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	Ah, I'm imaging the heat exchange goes outdoors. Like in airconditioning.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	regardless of where the hot end is.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	if cold end is below room temp - can condense.	[02:03]
dub	know a dude that built one out of an old fridge	[02:03]
asciilifeform	trivial, esp. if you can weld.	[02:03]
dub	never saw active duty for reason stated	[02:04]
asciilifeform	simply not a very good idea.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	better idea - gigantic heat sinks.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	as in, desk sized.	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	But if the cold end never dips below room temperature...	[02:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77405 @ 0.00074831 = 57.9229 BTC [-] {3}	[02:05]
*	BingoBoingo is imagining single core producing lots of heat...	[02:05]
dub	ercall this guy saying it was -36C on teh end oslt	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	dub: Then his chip is severely underclocked for this solution	[02:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what are you working with ?	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: A napkin, "Netburst" pentium 4 stats and imagining scaling from there straight up on the clock...	[02:07]
*	devthedev has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[02:09]
xanthyos	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoQYy8NWIiE	[02:09]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what do you intend to do with the memory ?	[02:09]
assbot	THURMAN VS BRUTALUS - YouTube	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That might be on the next napkin. atm I'm kind of leaning towards the memory not of die using some heat to prevent condensation.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: not the heat, no. the wait states.	[02:11]
BingoBoingo	Bottleneck sure. Kind of like a disk drive in comparison. If a process and its handlers can't fit in 16 MB of on chip cache though this is a wrong solution for the task.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: intel and amd both have 'cache-as-ram mode', find it.	[02:14]
RagnarDanneskjol	requesting op please invite deedbot to chan	[02:15]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it is used, for example, by bios prior to dram init sequence.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla ?	[02:15]
RagnarDanneskjol	don't know who else is op in here	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: actually now my brain is encountering locking errors on finding a use case for garage sized single core monster machine.	[02:16]
asciilifeform	if you don't know why you need it - you don't	[02:17]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: here, have some fun, https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=pts&source=hp&q=national+security+agency	[02:18]
assbot	national security agency - Google Search	[02:18]
asciilifeform	(a long gap, more than a few years, between filing date and publication date - means a formerly secret patent. those are only printed when the subject matter leaks.)	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00074826 = 5.799 BTC [-]	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	Ah, more productive. I was almost going to have to posit a "spiritual" sort of use case. Machine that does i++ as fast as possible, not as useful machine but as useful monument.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	prayer mill ?	[02:19]
asciilifeform	build an adder out of GaAs ECL logic.	[02:20]
BingoBoingo	Well, I dun see how such a machine would be useful as a networked device	[02:21]
asciilifeform	actually it isn't an entirely useless thing, such devices can be used to provide experimental proof of, e.g., sr time dilation (yes, exists)	[02:21]
asciilifeform	^ was an actual problem with u.s. gps sats.	[02:22]
*	assbot removes voice from MolokoDesk	[02:22]
asciilifeform	!up MolokoDesk	[02:22]
*	assbot gives voice to MolokoDesk	[02:22]
decimation	time dilation is accounted for in any reasonable gps receiver	[02:22]
asciilifeform	yes.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	but, if i recall, wasn't, when first built.	[02:22]
decimation	yeah I would believe. Also GPS is one of the few that chose a rational timebase, no leap seconds	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	This is true. GPS in the 90's was rather useless for pinpoint one's location in a city. Can now tell which building's entrance you are pondering.	[02:23]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: nothing to do with this. clinton switched off 'selective availability'	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	I might need to read more, but I though the whole selective availability thing was a bluff.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: misnomer. wasn't about the present-day claim of switching off location data to a geographic region	[02:25]
decimation	selective availability definitely existed	[02:26]
asciilifeform	rather, there were two signals, one 'civilian' - nearly worthless, another 'private' - which was accurate	[02:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00074756 = 8.1858 BTC [-] {2}	[02:26]
dub	not same signal with a keyed delay?	[02:27]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well yeah, that second is what I mean. I dunno that the private was especially useful until the satellites accounted for relativity as they intuited time onto the manifold.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/The-Real-Reason-Selective-Availability-Was-Turned-Off_12739.html	[02:28]
assbot	Avionics Magazine :: The Real Reason Selective Availability Was Turned Off	[02:28]
asciilifeform	^ speculation	[02:28]
dub	anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service?	[02:29]
BingoBoingo	https://www.google.com/patents/US7607858?dq=national+security+agency&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xfMlVNjpD5KYyASjy4CgBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBQ << No countermeasure for thermite? (Not to breach, but to seal more)	[02:29]
assbot	Patent US7607858 - Secure manhole accessway - Google Patents	[02:29]
*	OX3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[02:30]
dub	gps still sucks without good sky	[02:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: no countermeasure to a turned over garbage truck on it, either	[02:30]
BingoBoingo	dub> anyway isnt BingoBoingo conflating gps with goog/appl location service? << Not really. Dun have those standards to work with.	[02:30]
kakobrekla	RagnarDanneskjol cant you joint it?	[02:30]
kakobrekla	join*	[02:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: u.s. military establishment has an ancient obsession with kommunist saboteurs (tm) hiding inside manholes.	[02:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: go to wash., d.c., look at manholes; sometimes they forget to strip the 'presidential' weld seals off.	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	Ah, this particular municipality I'm in atm has a problem of erosion wound manholes threatening to collapse street, leaving the structures supporting manholes as tire slaughtering juggernauts.	[02:32]
MolokoDesk	that's interesting. (.join function for deedBot)	[02:32]
*	deedBot (~deedBot@64.111.123.101) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:33]
BingoBoingo	!up deedBot	[02:33]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[02:33]
MolokoDesk	bear with the verbose mode...	[02:33]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[02:33]
deedBot	time=1411774314 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411774109 elapsed=205	[02:33]
deedBot	TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2.txt = (address = 15DJH8JTCPpNhTFAFRyvLNNs4zVStB8UH2) (mtime = 1411774101) (ctime = 1411774109)	[02:33]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk USING_API=bkchain.org scraping/API INTERVAL=3600	[02:33]
deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)	[02:33]
kakobrekla	register the bots nick	[02:34]
MolokoDesk	i would but I'm not sure I want to put my password in the code.	[02:34]
kakobrekla	...	[02:34]
kakobrekla	make up a new password!	[02:34]
dub	but its MY passwd!	[02:34]
kakobrekla	ok ill make it up for you	[02:35]
dub	1p4sswerd	[02:35]
bounce	*******	[02:35]
kakobrekla	i was going to suggest password124	[02:35]
MolokoDesk	freenode assigns the same password to every nick I register. they're all me. It's some anti-sockpuppet feature. There may be work around. I haven't looked into it deeply	[02:35]
kakobrekla	(usually the hackers go for 123)	[02:35]
bounce	haxx0rz!!1!	[02:35]
dub	uh, use a different email address?	[02:36]
MolokoDesk	registering it then dumping the registration would work, but not with WoT	[02:36]
kakobrekla	listen to dub	[02:36]
bounce	think you'd have to reg the bot separately anyhow. ask in #freenode?	[02:36]
dub	but its MY email address!	[02:36]
kakobrekla	use dubs email address	[02:36]
MolokoDesk	heh.	[02:36]
BingoBoingo	Use me@hotmail.com	[02:36]
MolokoDesk	mailinator.com	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	billg@microsoft.com	[02:37]
BingoBoingo	or maybe even tlarussa@diamondbacks.com	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	(last email address not known to go to a mailbox)	[02:38]
BingoBoingo	(or the first)	[02:38]
*	mgio has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[02:40]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[17:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[17:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[17:09]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[17:09]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[17:10]
*	elgrecoFL (sid39955@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtkxysdcjtrfanll) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:13]
*	elgrecoFL has quit (Changing host)	[17:14]
*	elgrecoFL (sid39955@unaffiliated/elgrecofl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:14]
*	elgrecoFL has quit (Changing host)	[17:14]
*	elgrecoFL (sid39955@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mtkxysdcjtrfanll) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:14]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:14]
*	AndrewJackson has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	myriadgetsmehard: ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :) << the age old solution tried first by the infant confronted with the unimpressed adults ? make an infant support group!	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	this is why beatings are so important for education : people will do the right thing just as soon as all apparent alternatives have been exhausted. if children are isolated and beaten into submission, you wil have poetry and scientific research.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	if children are allowed to form support groups from reality, you will have reddit.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	the problem being, of course, that once this fork has been passed there's no way back. there isn't a phase transition from manchild seeking support from reality to adult. there's just a choice, at a narrow band of time during preadolescence somewhere.	[17:19]
*	stormlight has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[17:19]
*	AndrewJackson (~andrewJ@117.10.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	if you learn japanese when you're 1 yo, you're a native speaker. if you don't, you might be able to learn some semblance later on, but for most people it'll never happen, and for a tiny minority it will still overwhelmingly never be as good.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	once this support seeking habit forms, overwhelming it is nigh on impossible, and in any case overwhelming it would require the one thing that its existence prevents : a working mind.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	dub: get back to me when you've stood in a cold noisy DC on a con call to mumbai for 15 hours <<< virgin after her first time : "hey, fucking is kinda fun!" old whore : "get back to me after you've had to clean two dozen sailor pricks honey"	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: also lol, mircea_popescu getting his boxes off dhcp just today...? < no, actually, "you had one job" woman forgot to pay netbill, ended up plugging their wifi into one of my spares so they can has interwebs they don't deserve.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	dignork: they do have something commercial, but I did not look too close <<< then people wonder why there's a bubble. why hello sir, when people can't be bothered with even looking at the "products" their name is so bad, i suspek perhaps it may be the case there's going to be problems achieving cashflow. just a hunch.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	but don't mind me, by all means, please continue, advertise to the social media crowd, that's where the power is lmao.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	o hey! MolokoDesk hit me.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	lol wunderwaffle should totally be a thing.	[17:31]
chetty	http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/lessons-argentine	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	jesus everyone's been busy on a friday night! how am i to have a lyf with you peoples!	[17:31]
assbot	Lessons from the Argentine \| Casey Research	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	chetty are these the shills for that desert project selling $500k houses on land that costs $500k per square mile ?	[17:32]
assbot	Lurkmore	[17:32]
MolokoDesk	!up deedBot	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	dignork cool then!	[17:33]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	http://lurkmore.so/images/thumb/b/b1/82mmmoto.jpg/300px-82mmmoto.jpg ahahh	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	gatling tank!	[17:33]
kakobrekla	http://lurkmore.so/images/1/1b/Rasmerimeet.jpg	[17:33]
kakobrekla	dicktank	[17:33]
MolokoDesk	checking to see if deedBot meets the "it has to work" criterion.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	dignork "Где Кошевой?! Пионэpы вундеpваффе пpитащили! " < ?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk got the command list anywhere ? does it have funds ?	[17:34]
MolokoDesk	what's the wonder-wafer meme about?	[17:34]
MolokoDesk	nevermind, I'll do my homework on wonderwafer.	[17:34]
dignork	mircea_popescu: some fido period reference, i didn't have a computer then	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	o wow wunderwaffe mockery from ww2 ? definitely older than i thought	[17:35]
MolokoDesk	it has funds, ragnar put in the latest tranche, I put in the first tranche. a few bucks.	[17:35]
MolokoDesk	.balance	[17:35]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00129000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[17:35]
MolokoDesk	or uh milliBTC.	[17:35]
MolokoDesk	waffe. ah.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk ok, and what are the commands ?	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	just .deed pastebin-link	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	there are some diagnostics.	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[17:36]
deedBot	time=1411828456 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411826420 elapsed=2036	[17:36]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	and .balance apparently ?	[17:36]
kakobrekla	o wow wunderwaffe mockery from ww2 ? definitely older than i thought < yes, germans DO have the best scripts in porn.	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	that will probably go away .dump it switches the channel to the primary notification channel.	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	yeah.	[17:36]
MolokoDesk	there are some temporary commands to make it join the channel, but I'll set #bitcoin-assets as the primary channel and that will never be needed.	[17:37]
MolokoDesk	invite works too, but I may shut that off to prevent botjacking.	[17:37]
chetty	mircea_popescu, not sure about their land stuff, some little I saw did look a bit Gaults Gulchy but guy does make some decent observations about Argentina in general	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jBLJUfRA	[17:37]
deedBot	KeyID: 8A736F0E2FB7B452 deed with 1 signatory.	[17:38]
deedBot	deed keyID: 8A736F0E2FB7B452 trust: 27 nick: mircea_popescu (valid and scheduled for next bundle)	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[17:38]
MolokoDesk	it's still mildly verbose.	[17:38]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[17:38]
deedBot	time=1411828577 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411826420 elapsed=2157	[17:38]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	someone else pls put a something signed in	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	quickly!	[17:38]
MolokoDesk	when elapsed>= interval it bundles and spends and tracks to blockchain.	[17:39]
MolokoDesk	the filename uses block height since blockID seems arbitary and duplicated.	[17:39]
MolokoDesk	most/all blockchain tools on the web use block height	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	problem is you don't know the block height when you save the file, do you ?	[17:39]
MolokoDesk	no the file is saved named BUNDLE_UNSPENT-1BITCOINADDRESS.txt	[17:40]
MolokoDesk	when it's time to spend which is usuallly the next 60 seconds it changes the name to BUNDLE_PENDING...	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[17:41]
MolokoDesk	and when the blockheight confirm comes in it's changed to 34234-1BITCOINADDRESS.txt and published to a web-accessible directory	[17:41]
MolokoDesk	and announced.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	and if there's a block reorg ?	[17:41]
MolokoDesk	doom	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	no good.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	that's why i wanted the txid. txids are fixed per tx	[17:42]
MolokoDesk	ok. we need a definition of what the absolute location of a block is.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	irrespective of the block they end up in	[17:42]
MolokoDesk	I noticed that inclusion in an orphan block would mess this up... there are often several blocks with the same blockID, at least using some tools.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it was never a question of block id, whatever that is	[17:42]
dignork	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GNuUsAjF	[17:42]
deedBot	KeyID: 7E1DC6F7BDD75CD6 deed with 1 signatory.	[17:42]
deedBot	deed keyID: 7E1DC6F7BDD75CD6 trust: nick: (seems bogus - Discarded)	[17:42]
MolokoDesk	searching the blockchain backwards for the first occurrence of the address would do it.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot dignork	[17:42]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork \| Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013	[17:42]
*	assbot gives voice to artifexd	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk why did it discard ?	[17:43]
MolokoDesk	the blockchain tracker I'm using only flags confirmation when the block is on the main chain.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	chains can and do reorg.	[17:43]
MolokoDesk	uh, whose keysig is that?	[17:43]
dignork	mircea_popescu: this key is chained, not the same key that gribble knows i suppose	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	dignork ah, use same pls ?	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk i guess, but why make it fluffy ?	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	you get a tx id once you make the payment, that's invariant, use it.	[17:44]
MolokoDesk	;;gpg info -getkey 7E1DC6F7BDD75CD6	[17:44]
gribble	(gpg info [--key\|--address] ) -- Returns the registration details of registered user . If '--key' option is given, interpret as a GPG key ID.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	why depend on things outside of your control.	[17:44]
MolokoDesk	;;gpg info -key 7E1DC6F7BDD75CD6	[17:44]
gribble	(gpg info [--key\|--address] ) -- Returns the registration details of registered user . If '--key' option is given, interpret as a GPG key ID.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg info --key 7E1DC6F7BDD75CD6	[17:44]
gribble	No such user registered.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	but he already said used different key	[17:44]
MolokoDesk	oops	[17:44]
MolokoDesk	that's why	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	yup	[17:45]
MolokoDesk	still wondered what deedBot actually saw	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	yeah. okay.	[17:45]
MolokoDesk	it rejects for assbot level1+level2 trust <2	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	that's no good.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	a) l2 = 1 should be enough ; b) l1 = 1 and l2 = 0 is stil valid.	[17:46]
MolokoDesk	oh. it only has to be one?	[17:46]
MolokoDesk	ok.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	make it reject for !((l1 > 0)\|\|(l2 > 0))	[17:46]
MolokoDesk	maybe it's doing that. let me look at the code briefly.	[17:46]
MolokoDesk	if that was your spec that's what it's doing.	[17:46]
*	shovel_boss (~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:46]
MolokoDesk	lemme certify this. looking.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	so as to identify : http://blockchain.info/tx/26591d8fc00356374e63320f1c6b5539947300378f84ad8063ef92740823fd95 << consider that. the tx is identified, whether it ends up in this block or that.	[17:47]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction 26591d8fc00356374e63320f1c6b5539947300378f84ad8063ef92740823fd95	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	the hash in question you get from whatever agent you use to broadcast the tx	[17:47]
MolokoDesk	if($SIGSDONE[$DEED_KEYID]['trust']>0)	[17:47]
MolokoDesk	ok. it's 1	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	works.	[17:47]
MolokoDesk	that's early code. also I was thinking assbot voice.	[17:48]
MolokoDesk	considered using transactionID	[17:48]
kakobrekla	make it reject for !((l1 > 0)\|\|(l2 > 0)) < l1+12 > 0 is simpler	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you are right.	[17:49]
MolokoDesk	it's already summing aggregate trust.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	pls sign something put it in ?	[17:49]
kakobrekla	also different though	[17:49]
kakobrekla	as one level can be negative	[17:49]
kakobrekla	and the fucks up the other	[17:49]
kakobrekla	then*	[17:49]
kakobrekla	so dunno	[17:49]
kakobrekla	i use what mp wrote iirc	[17:49]
MolokoDesk	oh. that's signfiicant.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk notrly.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	the case where assbot trusts someone the broader b-a does not is quite the failure mode anyway.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	we'll be having bigger problems.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	so this'd count as a canary.	[17:50]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I posted a deed earlier, http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/	[17:50]
MolokoDesk	are there cases where someone who should have access to deeds has a negative rating relative to assbot and assbotdirects?	[17:50]
assbot	DEEDS	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk nope	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	punkman wait is this a concurrent implementation or what ?!	[17:52]
punkman	no that's deedbot's	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	o hey. spiffy	[17:52]
kakobrekla	whichever is goin to be it should prolly be consistent with assbot or what	[17:52]
dignork	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wEfSrr2E	[17:52]
deedBot	KeyID: 8334BB7B5BDFA126 deed with 1 signatory.	[17:52]
deedBot	deed keyID: 8334BB7B5BDFA126 trust: 5 nick: dignork (valid and scheduled for next bundle)	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk the web interface looks splendid.	[17:52]
punkman	MolokoDesk: when does a deed have 2 signatories?	[17:52]
MolokoDesk	if a bunch of people have cryposigned it. I'm counting the signatures.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	.dump	[17:53]
deedBot	time=1411829476 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411826420 elapsed=3056	[17:53]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[17:53]
MolokoDesk	I had considered validating all the signatures.	[17:53]
MolokoDesk	it requires peeling off the ascii armor and replacing gaps in the delimiters. it's kind of tedious.	[17:54]
kakobrekla	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=d2gP5rh8	[17:54]
deedBot	KeyID: 27AF75321F2489E8 deed with 1 signatory.	[17:54]
deedBot	deed keyID: 27AF75321F2489E8 trust: 18 nick: kakobrekla (valid and scheduled for next bundle)	[17:54]
kakobrekla	can you make it also work with dpaste	[17:54]
dignork	so if anybody has to deal with multiple subkeys, proper syntax is "gpg -u 8334BB7B5BDFA126! --clearsign file" , notice the key>!< notation, seems to be not so documented	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk maybe with a later upgrade. atm not useful or wanted.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	dignork ppl on mpex ocasionally have this issue. the other approach is to mark a key as default.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla im sure it takes any url ?	[17:55]
kakobrekla	a ok	[17:55]
punkman	it doesn't	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[17:55]
MolokoDesk	it's only pastebin right now. I can loosten that contraint.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	any url works.	[17:55]
MolokoDesk	or I can spell loosen correctly.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	this is only intended to be used from here, by voiced people.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	so not really all that exposed to random spam	[17:56]
MolokoDesk	ok.	[17:56]
MolokoDesk	people will have to use raw= for pastebin then.	[17:56]
kakobrekla	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=d4u0BXQU	[17:56]
deedBot	KeyID: 27AF75321F2489E8 deed with 1 signatory.	[17:56]
deedBot	deed keyID: 27AF75321F2489E8 trust: 18 nick: kakobrekla (valid and scheduled for next bundle)	[17:57]
MolokoDesk	it's parsing out the token in non-raw pastebin references.	[17:57]
kakobrekla	so much for random spam!	[17:57]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[17:57]
deedBot	time=1411829714 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411826420 elapsed=3294	[17:57]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[17:57]
MolokoDesk	dpaste is doable. any URL is doable.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	coolness.	[17:58]
MolokoDesk	I'll make it indiscriminate and see how that goes.	[17:58]
kakobrekla	a little discrimination never hurt anybody	[17:58]
MolokoDesk	there maybe ram limits to filesize. a 1 gig file can overflow the php address space.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk : can all the data published on webpage be bundled say daily into a tar and linked somewhere for dld ?	[17:59]
MolokoDesk	oh wait, I'm not doing it that way.	[17:59]
MolokoDesk	file goes to gpg	[17:59]
MolokoDesk	oh yes I am. I have to hash the file to make the bitcoin address.	[17:59]
MolokoDesk	so it has to fit in memory.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	don't put anything of unknown size into gpg.	[17:59]
MolokoDesk	heh. buffer overflow attack?	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	a hardcoded 64kb limit should be fine btw.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	this is intended for human readable input, not dumping of indiscriminate data.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	if people have mbs to do, let them do a cert and insert the cert.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	actually, not just fine. it's a requirement post facto. MolokoDesk discard anything in the url past the 64kb.	[18:01]
MolokoDesk	truncate, or reject?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	truncate.	[18:01]
MolokoDesk	head -c64000 file.ext	[18:01]
chetty	.deed http://pastebin.com/5hjTV4yg	[18:02]
assbot	Eulora may have a release when the goalposts stop moving! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNAT - Pastebin.com	[18:02]
deedBot	No signed deeds were found in: http://pastebin.com/5hjTV4yg	[18:02]
assbot	Eulora may have a release when the goalposts stop moving! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNAT - Pastebin.com	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	i have been derping for long enough about how reform in the modern state shoudl consist of a fixed number of characters for all laws, and if you want a new one must erase an old one.	[18:02]
MolokoDesk	there may be other ways to do that... wget, whatever.	[18:02]
deedBot	SPEND_TO_UNSPENT_BUNDLES: SPENDING ENABLED = 1	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	time to put that idea to work. the largest last will&testament you can have is 10k words. figure it out.	[18:02]
deedBot	BTC SPENT: amount_withdrawn = 0.00011000 TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N.txt	[18:02]
MolokoDesk	.balance	[18:02]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00118000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[18:02]
deedBot	deedBot unconfirmed sent: -0.00011000	[18:02]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[18:02]
deedBot	time=1411830050 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411830029 elapsed=21	[18:02]
deedBot	TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N.txt = (address = 17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N) (mtime = 1411830022) (ctime = 1411830029)	[18:02]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[18:02]
deedBot	rename(,): No such file or directory deedBot.php LINE 1634 Sat 2014-Sep-27 14:59:57 UTC (3 errors)	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	chetty need the raw	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	chetty http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5hjTV4yg << use that url	[18:03]
*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[18:03]
MolokoDesk	it should have gotten the raw from the unraw pastebin link. there's a special for that.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk useful, good idea.	[18:04]
punkman	it didn't like the text before the sig	[18:04]
chetty	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5hjTV4yg	[18:04]
MolokoDesk	there's no -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED DOCUMENT---- header on that.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	punkman so you two been working together on this or what ?	[18:04]
MolokoDesk	it ignores pure signatures	[18:04]
dignork	!up deedBot	[18:04]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[18:04]
punkman	mircea_popescu: nope	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	chetty yeah seems you missed the header.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	punkman oh the logs. nm me :)	[18:05]
punkman	but I'll write a verifier for the deeds	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	what's a verifier do ?	[18:06]
chetty	.deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yYbT4Tiu	[18:06]
deedBot	KeyID: BD7C5558DD9EFA14 deed with 1 signatory.	[18:06]
deedBot	deed keyID: BD7C5558DD9EFA14 trust: 5 nick: chetty (valid and scheduled for next bundle)	[18:06]
punkman	mircea_popescu: it drinks from the faucet :P	[18:06]
chetty	I learn slow, but I learn	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	knock yourself out :)	[18:06]
MolokoDesk	it makes sure I'm really computing the hash address properly. If I verify that myself, and I'm making a mistake, I'll just be making the same mistake in the verifier.	[18:06]
punkman	also, to make sure this is verifiable	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	good idea pman	[18:07]
punkman	;;tslb	[18:08]
gribble	Time since last block: 2 minutes and 11 seconds	[18:08]
punkman	;;balance 17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N	[18:09]
gribble	0.0001	[18:09]
MolokoDesk	.deed //http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh	[18:09]
MolokoDesk	!up deedBot	[18:10]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	/ ?	[18:10]
MolokoDesk	.deed //http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6 (ALF,RD)	[18:10]
MolokoDesk	interesting.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	wut ?	[18:10]
kakobrekla	.deed { :; }; echo 'ble'	[18:10]
MolokoDesk	there can be issues if gribble dies in the middle of a transaction	[18:10]
MolokoDesk	the gribble dialog is the gnarliest part.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	mark it as unchecked and redo later ?	[18:11]
MolokoDesk	I'll look to see what's in the queue	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[18:11]
gribble	Time since last block: 5 minutes and 43 seconds	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: prayer mill ? << shit boys, there you go revealing supersecret eulora later game content ;/	[18:12]
MolokoDesk	I'm retaining the microsecond timestamps of gribble requests and their fulfillment so... I can implement a timeout reset if gribble dies.	[18:13]
MolokoDesk	ohhh.	[18:13]
MolokoDesk	ok	[18:13]
MolokoDesk	gribble bans anyone for 5 minutes if they make more than 12 requests in a 60 second interval. that probably happened while deedBot wasn't voice.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	can you practically limit work to that volume ?	[18:14]
MolokoDesk	there's no appeal against that. I'll have to pace requests by any of various methods.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	i can appeal it but i'd rather not if it's not absolutely necessary.	[18:14]
MolokoDesk	an incoming URL queue is the most reasonable.	[18:14]
kakobrekla	this has turned into brain surgery	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	in general the 60 minutes of a block would currently take a maximum of 720 deeds at that rate. unless we're actually processing 500...	[18:15]
MolokoDesk	yeah, I wasn't going to suggest any mods to gribble even if nanotube would do them because everyone else's stuff would stop working.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla some people like to work, unlike slovens :D	[18:15]
MolokoDesk	for example, the information about which KEYID or NICK you're asking about disappears if it's not found in WoT. Gribble just says not found there.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk can always jus get an exception ; always a great idea to only ask for exceptions when you need them	[18:15]
MolokoDesk	so I already have to pace and sequence the request to gribble.	[18:15]
punkman	MolokoDesk: why wasn't 17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N published?	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	ok. if gribble can grant deedBot unlimited requests thats the solution.	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	it hasn't appeared on the main blockchain yet.	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[18:16]
deedBot	time=1411830877 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1411830029 elapsed=848	[18:16]
deedBot	TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N.txt = (address = 17nXdzdWdrLP5nqMJxJGC7ANqWQkqL2G5N) (mtime = 1411830022) (ctime = 1411830029)	[18:16]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600	[18:16]
deedBot	rename(,): No such file or directory deedBot.php LINE 1634 Sat 2014-Sep-27 15:02:16 UTC (6 errors)	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	ew	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	haw.	[18:16]
punkman	says 2 confirms	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	unlink()	[18:16]
MolokoDesk	interesting.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk ok. if gribble can grant deedBot unlimited requests thats the solution. << that's not the solution yet. it wil be the solution once we process a lot of volume. atm the soluition is to queue.	[18:17]
punkman	if there's a lot of volume, best to keep local copy of OTC database	[18:17]
MolokoDesk	queue is more robust against various other collision events. I intend to queue incomings.	[18:17]
MolokoDesk	nobody would run an exchange without queueing orders. you'd lose orders.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[18:18]
MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/wotFreq_01.html messing about with the WoT RatingsSystem.db earlier, punkman.	[18:19]
punkman	I suspected "smooth" as the most common adjective in ratings	[18:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 718 @ 0.00074943 = 0.5381 BTC [-]	[18:22]
MolokoDesk	deedBot is sniffing the top block once 60 seconds. if a freakishly fast block mining event happens back to back it could miss the inclusion in the block.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	so if anyone knows anything about growing cactuses, get back to me. i got a tiny something, which i believe is armatocereus godingianus. he seems happy enough and is growing, but the shoots are all spindly. ie, the base like 6 strands each an inch thick, each shot this inch long, 1/8th of an inch wide things.	[18:22]
MolokoDesk	I may have to track back to detect block inclusion in that case.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	is this how it grows ? is it upset with the light ?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk these freakishly fast blocks happen a lot actually.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	can it sniff the top 6 blocks ?	[18:23]
bounce	what about gloves?	[18:23]
MolokoDesk	etiolation due to low light. also cactus seedlings have cotyledons like most other dicots.	[18:23]
punkman	start sniff from last deed block	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	^ punkman has it	[18:23]
MolokoDesk	block mining collisions, yeah.	[18:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 150 @ 0.15508879 = 23.2633 BTC [+] {16}	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.15877999 = 3.4932 BTC [+] {2}	[18:25]
MolokoDesk	sure. I was considering looking for block height increments of more than 1 and then scanning back. alternatively, scan backwards to the first block with a date before the incoming file creation date.	[18:26]
MolokoDesk	scanning back would allow the tracking interval to be longer than a minute or 5	[18:27]
MolokoDesk	.time Texas	[18:27]
MolokoDesk	ok. I need to tighten a few things up in deedBot. It's possible that's going to run into October.	[18:28]
MolokoDesk	just a heads up.	[18:29]
MolokoDesk	I think starting from last deed bot would load things down some, doable, but deeds may only be coming in every 6 hours.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	well hurry up!	[18:30]
MolokoDesk	srsly	[18:30]
MolokoDesk	well, unless we can break it some more today... I can get on this. I've been up rather a while today.	[18:31]
MolokoDesk	any mid-course corrections other than so far?	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	the txid instead of block height ; the queing of gribble requests	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	that seems all realy.	[18:33]
MolokoDesk	!up deedBot	[18:33]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[18:33]
MolokoDesk	oh, are you going to register deedBot with WoT or should I do that or, leave it indeterminate. I can export the keys and give you a copy.	[18:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 218 @ 0.00446292 = 0.9729 BTC [+] {10}	[18:34]
MolokoDesk	the risk now is that someone will nab the name.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	is it nickserv reg'd ?	[18:34]
MolokoDesk	yes. oh sure. can't WoT without auth	[18:34]
MolokoDesk	ok. no rush.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	so it can sit.	[18:35]
dignork	MolokoDesk: somewhat of a hack, but electrum has getaddressbalance function, which returns balance for any address (unlike bitcoind)	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	dignork it also happens to be the correct way to handle this. the "wallet" nonsense still boggles my mind.	[18:35]
MolokoDesk	electrum is the gold standard for this sort of thing (pun intended) but that's a serious dev/admin/maintenance thing on this end. If I had electrum RPC already at the start of this I may have done it that way. it's still on the desirable things to do list.	[18:36]
MolokoDesk	the less reliance on 3rd party APIs the better in most cases.	[18:36]
MolokoDesk	I have fallback capability in the bot but it's not active. I can track with two different website APIs. there's only one wallet, but more can be added.	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk nah i don't think it's all that desirable. ideally no dependencies etc.	[18:36]
MolokoDesk	it makes it hard to move if it has to co-reside with electrum.	[18:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 108 @ 0.00501896 = 0.542 BTC [+] {9}	[18:37]
*	devthedev (~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:37]
MolokoDesk	also I'd be setting up binary buffers and cryptosigning them and all that. it's a chore.	[18:38]
*	MolokoDesk sounding like a bitcoin dev wuss.	[18:38]
MolokoDesk	ok. I'm out for the day.	[18:39]
dignork	MolokoDesk: you need a local copy of electrum wallet without QT mess, it's a plain python	[18:39]
dignork	alternatively, just hack out the part talking to electrum servers, few pages of python code	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/ << aww not updated.	[18:40]
assbot	DEEDS	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	such a teasing!	[18:40]
MolokoDesk	moving this to python was an intention eventually, that make electrum seem more sensible.	[18:40]
MolokoDesk	yeah, there's a pending item stuck in the queue because it missed (probably) it's block.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	"Каждая вундервафля выглядит так, что Юнг и Фрейд, обнявшись, заплакали бы от радости." lol not bad	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk aite see you tomorrow	[18:41]
dignork	mircea_popescu: on a concept level lurkmore is a copy of encyclopedia dramatica, but they do much better job imho	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	ahahaah epic. "every fifth opponent was a cross between a tank with a watchtower and every previous boss"	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	now i gotta play this thing	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	"If the country can continue operating as smoothly as it does for another year, I'll be surprised." << you can tell casey research his bet is on.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	fucktards these people.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	why am i even reading this crap, jpg "signatures" and no comment section for crying out loud.	[18:48]
ben_vulpes	what is rms holding in the photo? << toe jam?	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell MolokoDesk anyway, the ideal here is to have everything in order to i can put the various sept reports on it.	[18:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: as far as anyone can tell - equal to 'c' <<< the idea being that "the speed of light" is not "of light" in any sense other than the champagne is champagne	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	"that's where the limit on interaction debit first became apparent"	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	turns out the universe itself works on a queue	[18:55]
*	daybyter (~andreas@88.134.10.119) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:55]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.09651464 BTC to 15`116 shares, 7254 satoshi per share	[19:01]
deedBot	SPEND_TO_UNSPENT_BUNDLES: SPENDING ENABLED = 1	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: lol that turd reads like it was a 'mad libs' product << three steps to take to avoid making any sort of meaningful change : a) stick to obama & the libertard's mickey mouse version of "change" ; b) pretend like disaster is unlikely and so the possibility can be safely ignored while it's not happened yet ; pretend it's "overwhelming" as so best ignored as it happens and shortly thereafter ; c) make sure y	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	ou don't read trilema or any other venue where people who know more than you are likely to call you and your friends idiots.	[19:02]
deedBot	BTC SPENT: amount_withdrawn = 0.00011000 TRACKING: BUNDLE_PENDING-16kWvtsQukxKp8nKY8hSUgca9nm96cFqUC.txt	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.94396928 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 256 satoshi per share	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	o hay deedsy.	[19:02]
*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	!up deedBot	[19:04]
-assbot-	You voiced deedBot for 30 minutes.	[19:04]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[19:04]
asciilifeform	!s lurkmore	[19:05]
assbot	7 results for 'lurkmore' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=lurkmore	[19:06]
asciilifeform	^ that thing of beauty - was discussed here in the past...	[19:06]
*	stormlight has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am notorious for taking more than one pass through the material to grok it, more than one set of lips on the tool to spill it etc.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	i'm a multifarian.	[19:07]
asciilifeform	lol	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway, ru version of ed reads like mostly adult male, as opposed to mostly preteen female.	[19:07]
asciilifeform	good eyes - accurate.	[19:08]
asciilifeform	before even i forget - kakobrekla, mircea_popescu - where's my lenat turd mirror ?	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	uh	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i have that queasy feeling i musta missed something	[19:11]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845498	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 26-09-2014 00:53:22; mircea_popescu: email ill put on trilema	[19:12]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845583	[19:12]
assbot	Logged on 26-09-2014 01:50:54; asciilifeform: http://64.85.171.71/lenat-leaks.tar.gz	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	oh! damned.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	brb.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	i was like "let others hit it first ill go later to not herdkil the server"	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	then promptly forgot.	[19:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3597 @ 0.00074835 = 2.6918 BTC [-]	[19:13]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the how & why of the whole thing: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694	[19:14]
assbot	Logged on 26-09-2014 03:11:57; asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	no i know that part	[19:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1253 @ 0.00074785 = 0.9371 BTC [-]	[19:15]
asciilifeform	(given that i don't have a proper rant written yet to go with it, above will have to do for now)	[19:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21957 @ 0.0007478 = 16.4194 BTC [-] {2}	[19:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3226 @ 0.00074732 = 2.4109 BTC [-]	[19:26]
*	mariorz (sid490@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gmfxpzcmmjuwoahw) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[19:29]
ben_vulpes	i may use SQLite instead of mySQL eventuall. << try postgres if ye've yet to. nicely done db.	[19:33]
*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[19:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.01494324 = 4.483 BTC [-]	[19:35]
thestringpuller	;;ls	[19:36]
gribble	What do you think I am, a shell?	[19:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074725 = 5.978 BTC [-]	[19:36]
thestringpuller	i cant get sql lite data into postgresql	[19:36]
ben_vulpes	thats why start with pg	[19:37]
ben_vulpes	!up daybyter	[19:41]
*	assbot gives voice to daybyter	[19:41]
daybyter	Thanks!	[19:41]
daybyter	I use HyperSQL...	[19:41]
penguirker	New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/27/on-the-stupidity-of-biometric-security-for-smartphones-and-smartwatches/	[19:51]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/three-steps-to-take-three-steps-and-other-tales-from-the-shitswamp/	[19:51]
*	copumpkin (~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[19:52]
*	fanquake (~anonymous@unaffiliated/fanquake) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[19:52]
*	fanquake has quit (Quit: fanquake)	[19:57]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform try http://files.bitcoin-assets.com	[20:03]
assbot	Index of /	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	"the Russians are from three to five years ahead of the US in the field of atomic aircraft engines and they will move even further ahead unless the US pressed forward with its own program"	[20:03]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: neat. but i was hoping for individual turdlets that i could link to.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	from aviation weekly, 1958	[20:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: laugh, but the recently released 'glomar explorer' howard hughes ru. submarine plunder reports...	[20:04]
asciilifeform	stated that u.s. engineers pissed pants at some of the integrated circuitry found therein	[20:04]
asciilifeform	most of the 'why' pissed - censored	[20:04]
asciilifeform	but the fact thereof - not.	[20:04]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform try now	[20:09]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: neat. thx	[20:09]
kakobrekla	np	[20:09]
kakobrekla	i plan to put some stuff there myself, such as log dump etc	[20:10]
kakobrekla	would you like to have your own folder	[20:10]
asciilifeform	sure.	[20:10]
*	OX3 (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:11]
*	assbot removes voice from daybyter	[20:11]
kakobrekla	done	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	;;isitdown https://blockchain.info	[20:12]
gribble	https://blockchain.info is up	[20:12]
assbot	Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info	[20:12]
*	Duffer1 (~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:13]
*	assbot gives voice to Duffer1	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	decimation: what I find inexplicable is that you find folks in the us who absolutely hate everything about usg policies, in terms of how it mismanages wealth, fails to jail criminals, etc, and yet are willing to serve the military side <<< similarly, the wild animals that hate everything about the government will still traipse around on "government property"	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	in spite of there being numerous posters in full view saying "by traipsing around here you agree to blablabla"	[20:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the u.s. army installation i once worked in had the biggest, fattest herds of deer i've ever seen in person...	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	military service of some sort or another is a required stage in male maturation.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	who claims to own it... whatever, im sure the fish acting as host for whatever parasite's obligate fish phase are "owned" by someone, at least according to them.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	ownership is a convention, meaningless outside the convenants.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation: usg is the unintentional beneficiary of a great deal of "I want to make a difference" altruism << so no, it's not altruism. unrelated to that, there's a lot of "usg is the only obvious recipient for a bunch of faking of the sort."	[20:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is also, in a fairly large geographic zone, the only readily-accessible sponsor of many activities a thinking man (or 'man of action') would like to take up.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	quite my point.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	you gotta kill some people. avenue A is like so, avenue B is like so... hmm... well ok, let's go with B	[20:23]
asciilifeform	there are other sponsors - but most of them require an 'in.' (ethnic, familial, whatever kind of 'in'). only one sponsor has press-gangs on the streets, taking all-comers.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	because it's obviously not military SERVICE. it's MILITARY service. killing people.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually two. the mob is still there.	[20:24]
asciilifeform	this applies not only to the killing arts, but even something like - chemistry.	[20:24]
chetty	last I heard military in ussa wasnt aking all comers	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	chetty was this before or after they started paying terrorists for the safe return of deserters ?	[20:24]
chetty	well when did that start? or do you mean when it got to be public and all	[20:25]
asciilifeform	chetty: i was speaking more generally of employment with usg rather than proper soldiering as such	[20:25]
chetty	ah yes, different matter asciilifeform	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated. << methinks this view is a little too convenient.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	seriously, lisp tripped on banana peel ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	nobody could have foreseen ?	[20:26]
asciilifeform	though, i've been told that even actual enlistment is now open to folks of fairly advanced age and shoddy physical condition, with the proviso that you will 'fly a desk'	[20:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was easy to foresee. but what alternative, when you gotta have the wealthy prince?	[20:27]
asciilifeform	even if wealthy prince has an advanced crack habit	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	no.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	it's him - or starve	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	these aren't the same strength.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	?	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	rms's tortured existence is proof as to their uneven strength : neglecting the "gotta" works better than baking it in.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	in general, not doing something stupid "you got to do" is better on the long term than doing it.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	and if your project is long term... well there you go.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission)	[20:29]
asciilifeform	all he had left was his embarrassing 'emacs lisp' erzats.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	rigt	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	but unlike the other fucktards involved, he didn't go away into the night, and his efforts are at the root of why we even pose a problem to the usg today in the first place.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	as far as i can tell, rms was defeated in his original life. and ended up performing almost the equivalent of a seppuku - had to retool and rescue some very small thing that could be salvaged, and turned it into another life.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	not in any sense.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	he just woke up to the concept of "never do something stupid, no matter how much you "gotta" "	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	this is a major cause of the foss taking so very long to be killed.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware - there would be a market for about six machines. << this is diletante business analysis. you really only need one, provided it works. look into the early history of ford cars.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	ford ignored a patent.	[20:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00074718 = 20.0991 BTC [-] {3}	[20:33]
*	knotwork__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	decimation: it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob <<< this is nonsense. the "range" is not intrinsic to the blob. the blob will only hold as much as it physicall can. what its concents mean to you, is entirely up to you	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	to tell me that range is included in the item is nonsense of the first degree.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	ford was able to capitalize, somehow, because ultimately any idiot can appreciate a car.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do something useful. hence "if it works".	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	forget "hearts and minds", that's the telltale preoccupation of a dying empire. concern yourself with the ground under their very feet and let them figure it out.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	they'll go on to reddit to discuss how X Y and Z are betting websites for as long as they can still find coins in mom's cushions to pay for the pizza.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ahahaha, yeah, that'll buy me a silicon fab and decade of paid free time, sure.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	right, because that's what ford did o.o	[20:39]
*	Guest7253 (sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yoyxejhwevtegfzx) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:39]
*	devthedev has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	mthreat has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	kanzure has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	m4rCsi has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	donpillou has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	danielpbarron has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	agamemno123 has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	Keefe has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	bgp has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	penguirker has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	ll has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	dub has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	thestringpuller has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	Lee- has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	dooglus has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	coingenuity has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	ryan-c has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	Belsage has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	chiral has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
*	pizzaman1337 has quit (.net .split)	[20:39]
asciilifeform	picture if ford wanted moon lander instead	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	you figure it's specifically the item in question ?	[20:40]
*	Guest7253 is now known as railzand	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	the only relevant change there is that the car is history and the moon lander is not.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	the type of item.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	obviously i can appreciate your position : for all the banality of sex, it's still a big deal to the virgin.	[20:40]
asciilifeform	mass appeal - marketable. requires 500-year time horizon - less so.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	but let's stick to history. car or parabolic mirror to put ships on fire	[20:40]
*	mthreat (~chris@cpe-70-116-50-78.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	or washing your hands before delivering a woman	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[20:41]
*	mthreat is now known as Guest14174	[20:41]
asciilifeform	sure	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	not random examples. car : used individually, useful if used by a lot ; parabolic mirrors : used globally, useful if used at all. washing hands : used individually, useful if used at all.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	etc	[20:45]
asciilifeform	also matters what kind of process is necessary to bring the item.	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00075064 = 8.5573 BTC [+] {2}	[20:48]
*	knotwork__ (~markm@142.68.133.77) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	devthedev (~devthedev@unaffiliated/devthedev) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	kanzure (~kanzure@131.252.130.248) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	m4rCsi (~shoar@helo.marcsi.ch) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	donpillou (~donpillou@usve8041.vserver.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	danielpbarron (~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	agamemno123 (~agamemnon@arkhammer.mycenae.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	Keefe (~Keefe@unaffiliated/keefe) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	bgp (~karma@193.107.206.30) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	penguirker (~irker@inara.p.engu.in) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	ll (~bandit@nzbs.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	dub (~dub@unaffiliated/dub) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	thestringpuller (~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	morgan.freenode.net gives voice to danielpbarron penguirker dub thestringpuller	[20:48]
*	Lee- (~lee@unaffiliated/lee-) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	dooglus (~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	coingenuity (~coingenui@unaffiliated/coingenuity) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	ryan-c (~ryan@srv1.turboslow.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	Belsage (~Belsage@162.243.113.178) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	chiral (~chiral@damagedfrequency.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
*	pizzaman1337 (~pizzaman1@unaffiliated/pizzaman1337) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	no, because it is always going to be the same : industry.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	homo artifex.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	except the item in question cannot be produced by industry. it's a craftsmanship item.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	like samurai sword.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	at least, ser. no #1.	[20:49]
chetty	You think farnsworth had a clue what TV would become? or cared?	[20:50]
*	kanzure has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)	[20:50]
*	kanzure (~kanzure@131.252.130.248) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:50]
asciilifeform	chetty: farnsworth didn't need a decade of free time. raster scan, fortunately, was a fairly simple item.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	(despite this, he became the poster child of 'inventor starves, sponsor wins')	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform industry as thje human activity.	[20:51]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[20:51]
asciilifeform	ok	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	also, focus on the simple items.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	forget the meta game	[20:51]
chetty	was it? from his point of view, at the time? I have trouble trying to imagine some of the early stabs at tech	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	problem of modernity is everyone trying to meta the shit out of their lif	[20:52]
*	asciilifeform (not directly related) answered door and tool delivery of a nice japanese test dial, http://imgur.com/cvaJnWo << with hidden pin-up.	[20:55]
assbot	wtf - Imgur	[20:55]
*	stormlight has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[20:56]
punkman	asciilifeform: what's the difference of the non-test variety?	[20:56]
*	go1111111 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[20:57]
asciilifeform	punkman: http://www.toolstop.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/51831_PDG01I.jpg << test gauge. needle moves vertically.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	*dial gauge	[20:59]
asciilifeform	damnit	[20:59]
*	dignork has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[20:59]
asciilifeform	dial.	[20:59]
*	dignork (~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:00]
asciilifeform	http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f45/34689d1306308192-dial-test-indicator-repair-procedure-1.jpg << dial test gauge. needle moves horizontally.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	or rather, in an arc.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	and, normally, considerably more sensitive	[21:00]
asciilifeform	(it is virtually impossible to touch with finger and make less than full circle on readout)	[21:00]
*	_flow_ has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3)	[21:07]
*	_flow_ (flow@star.freakempire.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:08]
*	OX3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[21:11]
*	OX3_ (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:12]
*	OX3_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[21:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i must disagree exactly '180 degrees' about rms. he in fact did do a 'gotta' species of forced mistake. specifically, chose to accept eternal unix-clone retardation as gospel, because no alternative (in his mind, at the time)	[21:17]
asciilifeform	forced, because it (or something entirely like it) is the only way to build a software ecosystem on scrapyard hardware.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	but there is no phase space transition from cuban scrapyard cars to mazerati.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	incidentally!	[21:20]
asciilifeform	this mirrors the (almost-contemporary!) soviet mistake	[21:20]
asciilifeform	of choosing to abandon all own research & clone u.s. hardware (to run u.s. warez eternally)	[21:20]
*	OX3 (~OX3@cpc69058-oxfd26-2-0-cust984.4-3.cable.virginm.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[21:21]
chetty	http://www.androidauthority.com/consumer-reports-bend-test-531016/	[21:25]
assbot	One (M8) comes last, Note 3 first in Consumer Reports bend test	[21:25]
chetty	speaking of scrapyards of hardware ...	[21:26]
*	copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)	[21:30]
*	jwSchool has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[21:38]
asciilifeform	chetty: smear job, just like 'antennaegate'	[21:41]
*	Guest14174 is now known as mthreat	[21:44]
*	go1111111 (~go@c-98-225-37-92.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.01494324 = 0.5828 BTC [-] {3}	[22:01]
*	kleinessteak has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[22:04]
*	[KS] has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[22:05]
*	trixisowned (~sahsfakhf@184-96-63-49.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:12]
*	OX3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[22:17]
*	OX3 (~OX3@gateway-nat.fmrib.ox.ac.uk) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:17]
asciilifeform	http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.4Q99/3352.html << guess: the bugger went there, destroyed it.	[22:22]
assbot	extropians: EURISKO article obtained	[22:22]
ben_vulpes	chetty: looks like an actual bend test, with fixtures and all	[22:24]
asciilifeform	how many popular, costly portable objects would pass this test?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	e.g. 'glock' pistol?	[22:26]
asciilifeform	'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' - 'don't do that.'	[22:26]
*	Kuba1234__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[22:27]
*	BlueMeanie4 (~chatzilla@ip-64-134-225-18.public.wayport.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:31]
ben_vulpes	it's pathetic the things can't even open a beer.	[22:34]
ben_vulpes	that* the things	[22:34]
asciilifeform	nails, microscopes	[22:35]
*	pete_dushenski (~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:36]
*	smidge has quit (Quit: sorry, but you've mistaken me for someone who gives a fuck...)	[22:37]
kakobrekla	you might not hammer a nail with your microscope but i do it with my phone.	[22:37]
ben_vulpes	hm, probably want to look at bending moments and beam constraints too.	[22:37]
*	CiPi322 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[22:38]
asciilifeform	http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/d9/75/e3d9758fe7aedd433860caaf1a834ed1.jpg << kakobrekla's hammer phone ?	[22:40]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:40]
*	BananaLotus has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[22:41]
*	BananaLotus (~BananaLot@gateway/tor-sasl/bananalotus) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:41]
kakobrekla	http://magboss.pl/pubs/uploads/74h01900-00m-obudowa-tylna-htc-desire-s-saga-s510e-(oryginalna),516ec2ca94fa3.png	[22:41]
kakobrekla	i also got the insides, but thats the point.	[22:42]
kakobrekla	(first day i had it, it flew about 3m vertically on a concrete floor)	[22:43]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[22:43]
*	stormlight has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[22:47]
*	copumpkin (~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:52]
*	stormlight (~stormligh@c-24-23-231-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[22:53]
asciilifeform	'certain aspects of the NVIDIA graphics processor chip will only be available to... ...firmware images that have been signed by NVIDIA.'	[22:56]
asciilifeform	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc5ODA	[22:56]
assbot	[Phoronix] NVIDIA Alerts Nouveau: They're Starting To Sign/Validate GPU Firmware Images	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00074843 = 0.7484 BTC [-]	[23:00]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: is this buono or male?	[23:01]
*	[KS] (KS]@thinks.the.feds.are.investigat.in) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:01]
bounce	that depends on how you look at it. do you own the hardware, or not?	[23:03]
*	assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:05]
pete_dushenski	well, ideally yes	[23:05]
bounce	now think "digital rights management". you're entirely dependent on them to not go there. their key.	[23:08]
bounce	they're making nice with the nouveau driver now, but how long is that going to last? suppose they have a falling out of sorts, what would be left then?	[23:09]
pete_dushenski	we have digital rights nao?	[23:09]
pete_dushenski	the article plainly lays out that nvidia will only increase the size of their sandbox	[23:10]
pete_dushenski	sounds like the apple approach really	[23:10]
pete_dushenski	just a little slower to unwind	[23:10]
*	punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:11]
*	assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:11]
*	ChanServ gives voice to assbot	[23:11]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot	[23:11]
*	punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[23:13]
*	assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:18]
*	assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:18]
*	ChanServ gives voice to assbot	[23:18]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot	[23:18]
*	cypherc (~cypherc@46.166.186.244) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:19]
kakobrekla	trading stream from exchanges will be down for a short while.	[23:21]
*	xdotcommer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:21]
*	copumpkin has quit ()	[23:22]
*	dnaleor (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-215-184.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:22]
*	xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@69.156.215.220) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:22]
*	cypherc has quit (Client Quit)	[23:22]
*	cronic (uid45215@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xkdnmbtxyefxmhfz) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:24]
*	gsdgdfs (~Trans@modemcable026.188-59-74.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:26]
*	Transisto has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[23:28]
*	Ginux (Ginux@static.76.29.9.176.clients.your-server.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform perhaps.	[23:34]
*	cronic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:34]
*	rdekley has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:34]
*	Ginux_ has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:34]
*	cronic (uid45215@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nlrxwphnqpmxzygh) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:34]
*	rdekley (sid32464@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqpciyfwkyzrutqv) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:35]
*	Luke-Jr has quit (Excess Flood)	[23:35]
*	Blazedout420 (~Rogue@76-243-42-91.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:35]
*	bgupta_ (~bgupta@65.78.2.251) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:37]
*	Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:37]
*	chet_ (~chet@181.47.224.206) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: is this buono or male? <<< suppose your roommate goes "certain aspects of the appartment are only available with my permission".	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	are you still room ~mates~ ?	[23:40]
*	atcbot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	markedathome has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	CoalPowerGorilla has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	Blazedout419 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	drawingthesun has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	chetty has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	bgupta has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:40]
*	bgupta_ is now known as bgupta	[23:40]
*	pi07r has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:41]
*	drawingthesun (~drawingth@106-68-113-42.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:41]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: hm quite. i guess i misunderstood what "signed by nvidia" meant.	[23:41]
*	CoalPowerGorilla (~a@174.127.99.136) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:41]
*	_flow_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)	[23:41]
pete_dushenski	it's not "verified excellent" as much as "for british eyes only"	[23:42]
*	samO__ (~samO@178-223-67-100.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
*	pi07r (~pi07r@f212009.upc-f.chello.nl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
*	samO__ is now known as Guest60451	[23:42]
*	optimator_ (~optimator@unaffiliated/optimator) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	it means exactly what signatures ever meant : nvidia wants to be sovereign on its own [inasmuch as it produces them] chips	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	you probably want to be sovereign on your own [inasmuch as you bought them] chips	[23:43]
*	_flow_ (flow@star.freakempire.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	you both can't be sovereign, so you got yourselves a problem now.	[23:43]
*	PsychoticBoy_ (sid27029@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:43]
*	Guest7253 (sid39942@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khmgqwqrlttnrrtb) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:44]
*	JimDowJo2es (~ubuntu@ec2-54-201-159-88.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation: apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment << the great "we infiltrated them for once" success story ? myeahg.	[23:46]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: the turdware spreadeth across the land	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	!up JimDowJo2es	[23:46]
-assbot-	You voiced JimDowJo2es for 30 minutes.	[23:46]
*	assbot gives voice to JimDowJo2es	[23:46]
*	JimDowJones has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:46]
*	jespern has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)	[23:46]
*	wao_ (wao@v6.syx.sk) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car << these words.	[23:46]
pete_dushenski	to evenly distributed like rising floodwaters	[23:46]
*	jespern (~jespern@akira.noehr.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:47]
pete_dushenski	until someone makes an ark!	[23:47]
pete_dushenski	i nominate mp for noah.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	decimation: I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans <<< you should learn yidish to see the things some jews think about some other jews.	[23:48]
*	unbalanced has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:48]
*	pete_dushenski wonders why his mind so readily leans towards old testament references…	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	it's quite amusing, and will put the entire "secret cabal" thing into such perspective...	[23:48]
*	unbalanced (~smuxi@70.33.227.12) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski sign of getting old perhaps ?	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	!up unbalanced	[23:48]
-assbot-	You voiced unbalanced for 30 minutes.	[23:48]
*	assbot gives voice to unbalanced	[23:48]
*	railzand has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:49]
*	PsychoticBoy has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:49]
*	optimator has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:49]
*	Guest7253 is now known as railzand	[23:49]
*	PsychoticBoy_ is now known as PsychoticBoy	[23:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: lol bring on the wisdom of the ages!	[23:49]
*	railzand is now known as Guest19823	[23:49]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: yiddish is full of adjectives that describe people, far more than of those that describe things	[23:50]
pete_dushenski	why? because there weren't many things	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:50]
pete_dushenski	it was a rather critical tongue	[23:50]
*	samO_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[23:50]
*	wao has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.' << they do, mostly.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	women being the border.	[23:51]
bounce	so, a people of scolds, then	[23:51]
pete_dushenski	hm. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com is bringing up "flush dns" error	[23:52]
*	assbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	haha a people of scolds. not bad	[23:52]
pete_dushenski	bounce very much so	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com << brokt ?	[23:52]
kakobrekla	flush your dns peopele	[23:53]
pete_dushenski	thus the neurotic woody allen-like stereotypes	[23:53]
kakobrekla	if it doesnt work, wait and do it again later	[23:53]
pete_dushenski	who visit a therapist 3x week for 30+ years	[23:53]
kakobrekla	or enter 178.62.225.203 in your hosts	[23:54]
*	chet_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	what are these dots you speak of	[23:54]
pete_dushenski	morse?	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	the dots in the earth have spoken through a kako	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	bounce: the problem is that the whole thing is optimised for appearance, not substance. technically the whole credit card thing doesn't work very well. <<< for any variant of very well equal to not at all.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	credit cards are the exact equivalent of 1814 frequent flyer mile clubs.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	they don't actually have the technology required to do what they claim to do, and the only reason the pretense they're doing anything at all survives is that nobody can be bothered to notice that all these people are driving to the "airport", sitting around for a while and then coming back as they went	[23:56]
*	assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:57]
*	ChanServ gives voice to assbot	[23:57]
*	daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)	[23:57]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to assbot	[23:57]
*	dnaleor_ (~creveroel@ptr-212-224-215-184.dyn.mobistar.be) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:58]
*	shovel_boss has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[23:59]
*	TheNewDeal (b8030190@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.3.1.144) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	bounce: but the takeaway ought to be that you (ie, those in power) are rigging the system then blaming the victims for having let the system end up being rigged against them. <<< this is exactly right. how else would anything work ?	[23:59]

« Forum logs for 26 Sep 2014

Forum logs for 28 Sep 2014 »

Category: Logs

Comments feed : RSS 2.0. Leave your own comment below, or send a trackback.

Add your cents! »

If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed.

Forum logs for 27 Sep 2014

Recent Comments

Recent Articles

Pages

Say NO! to platforms