Forum logs for 27 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37603 @ 0.00050733 = 19.0771 BTC [-] {2} [00:03]
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deedbot- [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/ [00:55]
BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/2DbGuuq.jpg [01:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Th4ywk ) [01:01]
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ben_vulpes "the continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue..." [01:41]
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mircea_popescu accretion eh ? [01:57]
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mircea_popescu "The continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue to further weaken their already anemic vestiges of autonomy." << this needs to be 5 words. [02:01]
mircea_popescu da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name [02:02]
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punkman https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female" [02:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lN0Hfg ) [02:27]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.49980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b9 [02:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47341 @ 0.0005016 = 23.7462 BTC [-] {2} [03:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050787 = 12.0619 BTC [+] {3} [05:56]
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punkman https://i.imgur.com/NlM8mjk.jpg [06:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1lkVqv1 ) [06:20]
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punkman @freenodestaff We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. [07:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17281 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7202 BTC [-] {2} [07:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28546 @ 0.00050805 = 14.5028 BTC [+] {3} [08:04]
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-mquin- [Global Notice] We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. [08:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050461 = 14.5328 BTC [-] {2} [08:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00050126 = 19.474 BTC [-] {4} [08:24]
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punkman http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/ [12:39]
assbot Police plants own computers in Freenet, log IPs, makes arrest | Hacker 10 – Security Hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyneJb ) [12:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26156 @ 0.00050879 = 13.3079 BTC [+] [12:49]
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* mircea_popescu doesn't remember which group of snakeoil salesmen were pushing "freenet". [13:41]
mircea_popescu in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ? [13:44]
mircea_popescu this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ? [13:44]
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332379 << disObesified [14:04]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 04:57:01; mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name [14:04]
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mircea_popescu cool [14:10]
BingoBoingo From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them." [14:11]
mircea_popescu the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only. [14:13]
BingoBoingo Sure, just amazing how much retardation accretes on every side of derpdom [14:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [14:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00050879 = 23.0991 BTC [+] [14:19]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [14:47]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.01, Best ask: 360.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 360.2, 24 hour volume: 44791.1190569, 24 hour low: 343.02, 24 hour high: 367.0, 24 hour vwap: None [14:47]
adlai volume has gone negative in china; vwap ceases to be a thing [14:48]
* BingoBoingo now REALLY feeling like this is fall 2012 all over again [14:48]
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BingoBoingo Orly? [14:53]
BingoBoingo Just like 2012, china was a thing beyond Asicminer derping about shares [14:53]
BingoBoingo *wasn't a thing [14:53]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [14:56]
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gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 359.88, vol: 16441.97519367 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.985, vol: 16606.57364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.02, vol: 44654.80891705 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 345.01, vol: 3.25111645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 360.332457, vol: 91406.01980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 360.70977, vol: 103.14388238 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 360.264, vol: 122.36772408 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [14:56]
BingoBoingo ;;more [14:57]
gribble average: 359.191266508 [14:58]
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mircea_popescu best show on earth huh BingoBoingo ? [15:02]
BingoBoingo Seriously. Bitcoin is great entertainment. [15:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050878 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2} [16:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00050531 = 13.0623 BTC [-] {2} [16:11]
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BingoBoingo !UP jurov [16:18]
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jurov hi [16:21]
jurov seems my bouncer was hanging on holmes.freenode.net alone for half a day [16:22]
jurov i came and noone was there on any chan [16:22]
mircea_popescu i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan [16:23]
BingoBoingo Seems there is ddos [16:23]
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felipelalli guys of Qntra.net, have you seen that? https://lifars.com/2015/11/4973/ [17:19]
felipelalli where is the "hide my ass"? [17:22]
felipelalli I have to go, see you my Oracle! [17:22]
trinque speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again [17:23]
trinque some days, fleanode... [17:23]
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mircea_popescu you can always write it up felipelalli [17:26]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle! [17:32]
felipelalli *I have = I have to have to... [17:33]
mircea_popescu so go for it. [17:37]
mircea_popescu this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work". [17:38]
jurov felipelalli: worst what can happen is.... someone will tell you something [17:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00050531 = 6.1941 BTC [-] [18:06]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/#comment-78502 [18:14]
assbot North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvCyDn ) [18:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3131 @ 0.00050057 = 1.5673 BTC [-] {2} [18:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00049791 = 14.5982 BTC [-] {4} [18:19]
jurov mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it [18:22]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << related [18:23]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe) [18:23]
deedbot- [Qntra] Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large - http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ [18:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00050418 = 20.6462 BTC [+] {3} [18:39]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ [18:51]
assbot Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) [18:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005052 = 6.7192 BTC [+] {2} [18:52]
jurov BingoBoingo: deedbot- already did it [18:53]
BingoBoingo jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update. [18:53]
jurov oh corpses were updated [18:53]
BingoBoingo Yeah [18:53]
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BingoBoingo Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition [18:54]
trinque damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions. [18:55]
phf jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject [18:59]
BingoBoingo trinque: Could be just angry over political health clinic spam [19:00]
trinque lol [19:00]
trinque poor guy's @aol.com overfloweth [19:01]
jurov phf but it's std::map not some boostism [19:01]
jurov are you telling me boost modifiest std:: stuff behavior? [19:02]
phf jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status [19:03]
phf jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data [19:04]
jurov ikr? but i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work [19:04]
jurov i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called [19:06]
phf jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx [19:09]
phf but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening. [19:11]
phf last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26152 @ 0.0005052 = 13.212 BTC [+] {2} [19:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050723 = 7.4816 BTC [+] {3} [19:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44932 @ 0.0005095 = 22.8929 BTC [+] {5} [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24468 @ 0.00051032 = 12.4865 BTC [+] {2} [19:51]
jurov just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too... [19:51]
phf jurov: can paste file:line for those? [19:53]
jurov just grep "static map" and "static set" yourself [19:54]
phf kk [19:54]
jurov O.o how is it possible to have static variable inside if statement? [19:55]
phf jurov: by the way, in addition to static things, there's also top level globals [20:02]
jurov you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much [20:03]
phf what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or? [20:05]
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jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this [20:07]
assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe) [20:07]
jurov i mean both, generally [20:08]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332485 << quite exactly [20:11]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 23:02:04; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this [20:11]
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phf jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use. [20:13]
ascii_field every tx received eats a measurable qty of ram which is NEVER reclaimed [20:13]
jurov phf i know! [20:14]
ascii_field in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator) [20:14]
ascii_field this results in fiery crash [20:14]
ascii_field because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit [20:15]
ascii_field (there is not a safe way to forget a tx) [20:15]
jurov yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared [20:16]
ascii_field aha. [20:16]
ascii_field now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did [20:16]
ascii_field and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost [20:17]
phf jurov: i thought you said that it did get called? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332468 [20:17]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called [20:17]
ascii_field i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens [20:17]
jurov phf yes but that were stack operations. i then filtered them [20:18]
phf jurov: ah k [20:19]
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jurov and how does the map know there are outstanding references? [20:20]
ascii_field phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition) [20:21]
ascii_field it did not work. [20:21]
ascii_field jurov: outstanding references ? [20:22]
jurov or why does it not destroys the transactions [20:22]
ascii_field clear doesn't invoke destructors [20:22]
ascii_field just nukes the map [20:22]
ascii_field but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash. [20:23]
jurov http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0" [20:23]
assbot map::clear - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSOYs4 ) [20:23]
ascii_field the CONTAINER [20:23]
ascii_field of size 0 [20:23]
ascii_field the ELEMENTS of the map are destroyed [20:23]
ascii_field that is to say, the key-value pairs [20:23]
ascii_field not the objects point to by the values. [20:24]
phf there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop? [20:25]
ascii_field me. [20:25]
phf ah and that does the crash? [20:25]
ascii_field yes. [20:25]
phf kk [20:25]
ascii_field go, try. [20:25]
ascii_field this is a 10 minute experiment. [20:25]
ascii_field incidentally it isn't a locking bug either [20:26]
ascii_field i did try locking the removal [20:26]
ascii_field the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero [20:27]
ascii_field my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite. [20:27]
ascii_field not so i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in [20:27]
ascii_field but if other folks want to take their turn in the manhole - sure, why not... [20:28]
ascii_field jurov, phf: i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME [20:29]
ascii_field i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon [20:29]
jurov CInPoint refers to CTransaction, thus mapNextTx should be erased before mapTransactions [20:29]
ascii_field but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive [20:29]
jurov the jettison patch had it the other way [20:29]
ascii_field jurov: didja try this ? [20:30]
jurov did you? i'm still putting it all together [20:30]
ascii_field iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool [20:31]
ascii_field in my last experiment [20:31]
jurov yes, but was mapNextTx deallocated at that time? [20:34]
ascii_field btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0514 [20:36]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332399 << l0l where didja think it went?? [20:39]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 16:39:23; mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ? [20:39]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet [20:40]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 15:34:04; punkman: http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/ [20:40]
ascii_field the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!' [20:40]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332373 << this kind of thing is about usg getting ~stronger~ [20:42]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 03:49:58; deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/ [20:42]
ascii_field usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln. [20:42]
ascii_field !s gendarmerie [20:42]
assbot 24 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie [20:42]
ascii_field ^ part of this, but certainly not all [20:42]
punkman freenet design makes a lot more sense than tor [20:43]
punkman who knows what horrors lie in its source code though [20:43]
ascii_field it was a 'fortress built to fall' [20:44]
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ascii_field punkman: what about it makes more sense ? [20:44]
punkman ascii_field: static content for example [20:45]
ascii_field borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores; [20:45]
ascii_field ' [20:45]
punkman also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc [20:45]
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trinque wtf [20:56]
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jurov ascii_field: you meant this? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html [21:01]
assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6it9 ) [21:01]
mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html [21:02]
assbot [BTC-dev] Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6nx5 ) [21:02]
mod6 ah, nm [21:03]
mod6 if you get that igprof patch working jurov, let me know. [21:04]
ascii_field jurov: aha [21:04]
mod6 i think mine compiled ok with it. [21:04]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [21:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 385653 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [21:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332451 << bonus points if it turns out lone gunman was reading the logs ? [21:06]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 21:46:14; assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) [21:06]
jurov !up lonegunman [21:06]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1332217 << legit how ? [21:07]
ascii_field i am always astonished when folks ask question like this [21:07]
assbot Logged on 26-11-2015 20:20:07; thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit? [21:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332465 << o.O [21:09]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 21:57:56; phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status [21:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332476 < yes. [21:10]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 22:46:25; jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too... [21:10]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b23 [21:10]
mircea_popescu the usage of statics in that pile is still not understood [in its implications]. stands as a major sore point to this very day, six years later. [21:11]
ascii_field where ~isn't~ the sore point [21:11]
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mircea_popescu yeah, one of these days we'll make a sore point list of things, as a necessary [early] step towards printable btc. [21:12]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, im not equal to that task today [21:13]
jurov wart on wart [21:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when i do so and so this is the bt resultant". [21:14]
assbot Logged on 27-11-2015 23:20:05; ascii_field: yes. [21:14]
ascii_field even far more modest goal like 'doesn't consume infinite ram' is far beyond reach. [21:14]
mircea_popescu a nude yes is guaranteed to miss things. [21:14]
jurov igprof won't work with stator, i guess? [21:15]
mircea_popescu i never tried. [21:15]
ascii_field at one point i considered bolting on stroustrup's 'smart pointers' thing but gave up in disgust [21:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work. [21:16]
ascii_field jurov: absolutely works [21:16]
ascii_field jurov: gotta compile in the hooks [21:16]
ascii_field aha [21:16]
ascii_field actually the only reason i logged on presently was to help jurov [21:16]
jurov the patch adds -l dl to LIBS [21:16]
ascii_field because there is actually not a good record of the last thing i did [21:17]
mircea_popescu yeah, we kinda lack a process for this. [21:17]
ascii_field jurov: i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc [21:17]
ascii_field consult the docs [21:17]
ascii_field the process used to be me elaborately chronicling my travails on the ml [21:19]
ascii_field but right now there is not a process, no. [21:19]
-CheckDavid- heyo, can i haz da voice for a bit? [21:19]
mircea_popescu !up CheckDavid [21:19]
-assbot- You voiced CheckDavid for 30 minutes. [21:19]
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CheckDavid thanks mircea_popescu [21:19]
CheckDavid So Gyft has a 25% discount on giftcards? How can one take good advantage of the offer? [21:19]
CheckDavid ANy ideas from the great minds in here? [21:19]
mircea_popescu !down CheckDavid [21:19]
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ascii_field there is a dismal ru version of the 'sword in the stone' sorta legend [21:20]
ascii_field where there is a little iron ring in the earth [21:20]
ascii_field and a sign, telling strong men 'pull with all your might' [21:20]
ascii_field and most tried, grunted, gave up [21:20]
ascii_field but one mega-hero, pulled, pulled, PULLED [21:20]
ascii_field until he ended up buried entirely in the earth. [21:20]
mod6 <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator, i guess? << i'm trying to recall the details... but i think it compiled ok iirc, but when I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env) I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason. [21:20]
mircea_popescu ;;rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year. [21:20]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [21:20]
mircea_popescu derp [21:20]
mircea_popescu !rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year. [21:20]
assbot CheckDavid is not registered in WoT. [21:20]
mircea_popescu da fuck already. [21:20]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you knwo the oglaf variant ? [21:21]
ascii_field can't recall [21:21]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/noblesse/ [21:21]
assbot Noblesse Obligee ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBz5o ) [21:21]
ascii_field l0lz [21:22]
mod6 anyway, i need to give the IgProf hooks another try in a different, nongentoo env and see. [21:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051363 = 3.6468 BTC [+] {2} [21:23]
ascii_field https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/4a/05/814a05e03a05331cb13f7b4bbd43e11e.jpg [21:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBFdd ) [21:23]
ascii_field ^ the hero, svyatogor [21:23]
mircea_popescu isn't ogor ground/land/something ? [21:25]
mircea_popescu the hero HolyPlot [21:26]
phf svyato-gor [21:26]
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ascii_field theoretically, 'sviato' == holy; 'gor' ~= 'of mountains' [21:27]
mircea_popescu a [21:28]
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phf what i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case, i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation [21:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049712 = 3.629 BTC [-] {2} [21:37]
ascii_field phf: in this particular case, there is also another thing - whether the problem is solvable without committing 'power rangerism' and mutilating the patient beyond recognition into a monstrous chimera [21:40]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ << Captured? [21:41]
assbot Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 5) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) [21:41]
ascii_field presently i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this [21:41]
ascii_field (and it HAS to be cured before pogo can be a thing) [21:41]
mircea_popescu not all tumours are operable, is the sad fact of biology. [21:41]
ascii_field aha. [21:42]
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mircea_popescu anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!" [21:43]
mircea_popescu gotta distinguish these cuz the second's no good. [21:43]
phf one thing that i see happening here is a subtrate problem, i.e. oh boost is crap gotta use std c++, oh c++ is crap gotta use lisp, oh lisp is hosted on unix, gotta host on bare metal, oh bare metal is crap gotta vhdl our own cpu, oh can't do our own cpu because 3 factories. i'm not sure where that leaves us exactly [21:49]
phf in this case "broken because of boost" is more like a description of an OSI layer, i.e. uknowable things are happening somewhere in the datastructures level of things [21:50]
felipelalli BingoBoingo, I just sent you an email with my first Qntra article. Good luck to me :) [21:50]
BingoBoingo ty [21:51]
mircea_popescu that leaves up shit creek looking for a job. [21:51]
mircea_popescu if experience's any guide. [21:51]
phf kek [21:52]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: Please reformat and resubmit as per http://trilema.com/lacessiveram-editor [21:54]
assbot Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io4Efa ) [21:54]
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felipelalli BingoBoingo, thank you! I'll read. [22:03]
jurov for the record: igprof won't work with stator, must change STATIC=all to STATIC=1 in stator.sh to get dynamic executable at final link time [22:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00049815 = 1.8033 BTC [+] {2} [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12392 @ 0.00049816 = 6.1732 BTC [+] [22:16]
felipelalli BingoBoingo, I did not understand the item 4, how can I create a link? [22:19]
felipelalli Another question: strong, em etc. are HTML tags? [22:19]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: With tgs [22:19]
felipelalli Understood! [22:19]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: yes, use , etc [22:20]
BingoBoingo Any no non sensical line breaks [22:20]
felipelalli are you talking about
e.g.?
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felipelalli I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent. [22:29]
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BingoBoingo brb [22:31]
BingoBoingo http://www.sidesinspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/surprised-koala.jpg [22:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tivb3S ) [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4327 @ 0.00049712 = 2.151 BTC [-] {2} [22:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00049711 = 1.9899 BTC [-] [22:38]
mircea_popescu ahahaha kickass. [22:43]
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punkman http://i.imgur.com/UBLi3O3.jpg bee boop [22:54]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Saturday Night Fever - http://trilema.com/2015/saturday-night-fever/ [23:00]
mircea_popescu for the record, mega article ^ imo [23:01]
mod6 i feel like I have to watch it now lol [23:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10290 @ 0.00049643 = 5.1083 BTC [-] {2} [23:21]
punkman watched Un Prophete the other day, pretty damn good [23:21]
trinque I just watched one of the dance scenes on youtube; Travolta is *awful*. [23:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00049467 = 3.1209 BTC [-] [23:23]
mircea_popescu utterly/ [23:25]
phf parents were telling me how saturday night was like the coolest movie in soviet uniont. nobody have seen it, but everyone talked about it. having a leisure suite from checkoslovakia was the pinnacle, etc. mom finally watched it in early 2000s, reaction was "wtf is this shit" [23:26]
mircea_popescu i am sure it was the coolest movie in the soviet union. [23:26]
mircea_popescu for specifically this reason : it is the direct equivalent to the set of euler's axioms. [23:27]
mircea_popescu the flesh in the west was starting to build a new socialism, and the flesh in the east wanted what flesh always wants. [23:27]
mircea_popescu s/euler/euclid/ wtf. [23:27]
mircea_popescu the irony implicit being that had she watched it in 1978, she'd have thought it unspeakably great. [23:29]
mircea_popescu apparently censorship is not all bad. [23:29]
trinque watched Forrest Gump again last night with a similar morbid curiousity. in it, he's the "hero" for no other reason than he is maximally obedient. he's the perfect american. [23:34]
trinque who needs official propaganda when it spews from every orifice? [23:35]
mircea_popescu could we say the same of blood ? air ? [23:35]
trinque I don't follow [23:36]
mircea_popescu "who needs blood when it spews from every orifice". seems like that's when you need it the most [23:37]
trinque ah [23:38]
phf same people who thought themselves inoculated from soviet propaganda, fell for western one hook line and sinker [23:38]
mircea_popescu i happen to think the same is true of propaganda, even though it's an ideal object. by the time it's ubiquitous, the thing's going to shit. propaganda storm is a reflection of developing propaganda resistance. [23:38]
mircea_popescu phf well, you know, onoculated from propaganda, what's that even. "i'm done with love" ? [23:39]
phf well, our rocket is made of cardboard, but their jeans are made of american dream [23:39]
mircea_popescu oh where is that great song [23:40]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQUiEIsC1U [23:41]
assbot Invidia [PLANETA MOLDOVA] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SonZ5u ) [23:41]
trinque hm, this is relevant to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325981 [23:41]
assbot Logged on 17-11-2015 22:29:08; mircea_popescu: why are usians dumb ? [23:41]
trinque to which I've been giving a great deal of thought since. [23:41]
trinque perhaps propaganda hole's clogged [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049467 = 10.3633 BTC [-] {2} [23:46]
phf hehe that's a catchy song [23:46]
mircea_popescu "io-atita ma mindresc, io-atita ma mindresc si va spun : decit englez or neamt, franzuz, american mai bine, mai bine moldovan" [23:47]
mircea_popescu ie, i'm so very proud and i tell ya : rather than english or german, french or american, you're better off moldavian. [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00049555 = 4.1131 BTC [+] [23:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049555 = 4.0635 BTC [+] [23:53]
phf that seems to tie with a broader point that once something is named, it's already over. propaganda storm is kind of like grabbing onto something stationary while in a current, and realizing that there's a current to beging with, and that it's possibly strong. [23:54]
trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-04-2015#1103915 [23:56]
assbot Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit [23:56]
trinque pretty hilarious sentence by Citizenfile there, too. [23:56]
trinque *five [23:57]
mircea_popescu propaganda storm most closely resembles insulin fatigue i'd say. [23:57]
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