Forum logs for 27 Nov 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37603 @ 0.00050733 = 19.0771 BTC [-] {2} | [00:03] |
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deedbot- | [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/ | [00:55] |
BingoBoingo | https://i.imgur.com/2DbGuuq.jpg | [01:01] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Th4ywk ) | [01:01] |
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ben_vulpes | "the continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue..." | [01:41] |
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mircea_popescu | accretion eh ? | [01:57] |
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mircea_popescu | "The continued accretion of fiscal crises across these governments should be expected to continue to further weaken their already anemic vestiges of autonomy." << this needs to be 5 words. | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name | [02:02] |
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punkman | https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female" | [02:27] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1lN0Hfg ) | [02:27] |
deedbot- | [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.49980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b9 | [02:28] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47341 @ 0.0005016 = 23.7462 BTC [-] {2} | [03:01] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050787 = 12.0619 BTC [+] {3} | [05:56] |
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punkman | https://i.imgur.com/NlM8mjk.jpg | [06:20] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1lkVqv1 ) | [06:20] |
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punkman | @freenodestaff We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | [07:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17281 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7202 BTC [-] {2} | [07:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28546 @ 0.00050805 = 14.5028 BTC [+] {3} | [08:04] |
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-mquin- | [Global Notice] We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out. | [08:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050461 = 14.5328 BTC [-] {2} | [08:18] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00050126 = 19.474 BTC [-] {4} | [08:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48096 @ 0.00050812 = 24.4385 BTC [+] {3} | [09:50] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1982 @ 0.00050879 = 1.0084 BTC [+] | [10:28] |
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punkman | http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/ | [12:39] |
assbot | Police plants own computers in Freenet, log IPs, makes arrest | Hacker 10 – Security Hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyneJb ) | [12:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26156 @ 0.00050879 = 13.3079 BTC [+] | [12:49] |
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* | mircea_popescu doesn't remember which group of snakeoil salesmen were pushing "freenet". | [13:41] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ? | [13:44] |
mircea_popescu | this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ? | [13:44] |
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BingoBoingo | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332379 << disObesified | [14:04] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 04:57:01; mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name | [14:04] |
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mircea_popescu | cool | [14:10] |
BingoBoingo | From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them." | [14:11] |
mircea_popescu | the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only. | [14:13] |
BingoBoingo | Sure, just amazing how much retardation accretes on every side of derpdom | [14:17] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [14:17] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00050879 = 23.0991 BTC [+] | [14:19] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [14:47] |
gribble | Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.01, Best ask: 360.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 360.2, 24 hour volume: 44791.1190569, 24 hour low: 343.02, 24 hour high: 367.0, 24 hour vwap: None | [14:47] |
adlai | volume has gone negative in china; vwap ceases to be a thing | [14:48] |
* | BingoBoingo now REALLY feeling like this is fall 2012 all over again | [14:48] |
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BingoBoingo | Orly? | [14:53] |
BingoBoingo | Just like 2012, china was a thing beyond Asicminer derping about shares | [14:53] |
BingoBoingo | *wasn't a thing | [14:53] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [14:56] |
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gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 359.88, vol: 16441.97519367 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.985, vol: 16606.57364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.02, vol: 44654.80891705 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 345.01, vol: 3.25111645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 360.332457, vol: 91406.01980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 360.70977, vol: 103.14388238 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 360.264, vol: 122.36772408 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) | [14:56] |
BingoBoingo | ;;more | [14:57] |
gribble | average: 359.191266508 | [14:58] |
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mircea_popescu | best show on earth huh BingoBoingo ? | [15:02] |
BingoBoingo | Seriously. Bitcoin is great entertainment. | [15:06] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050878 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2} | [16:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00050531 = 13.0623 BTC [-] {2} | [16:11] |
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BingoBoingo | !UP jurov | [16:18] |
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jurov | hi | [16:21] |
jurov | seems my bouncer was hanging on holmes.freenode.net alone for half a day | [16:22] |
jurov | i came and noone was there on any chan | [16:22] |
mircea_popescu | i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan | [16:23] |
BingoBoingo | Seems there is ddos | [16:23] |
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felipelalli | guys of Qntra.net, have you seen that? https://lifars.com/2015/11/4973/ | [17:19] |
felipelalli | where is the "hide my ass"? | [17:22] |
felipelalli | I have to go, see you my Oracle! | [17:22] |
trinque | speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again | [17:23] |
trinque | some days, fleanode... | [17:23] |
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mircea_popescu | you can always write it up felipelalli | [17:26] |
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felipelalli | mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle! | [17:32] |
felipelalli | *I have = I have to have to... | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | so go for it. | [17:37] |
mircea_popescu | this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work". | [17:38] |
jurov | felipelalli: worst what can happen is.... someone will tell you something | [17:38] |
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BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/#comment-78502 | [18:14] |
assbot | North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvCyDn ) | [18:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3131 @ 0.00050057 = 1.5673 BTC [-] {2} | [18:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00049791 = 14.5982 BTC [-] {4} | [18:19] |
jurov | mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it | [18:22] |
jurov | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << related | [18:23] |
assbot | Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe) | [18:23] |
deedbot- | [Qntra] Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large - http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ | [18:26] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00050418 = 20.6462 BTC [+] {3} | [18:39] |
BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ | [18:51] |
assbot | Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) | [18:51] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005052 = 6.7192 BTC [+] {2} | [18:52] |
jurov | BingoBoingo: deedbot- already did it | [18:53] |
BingoBoingo | jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update. | [18:53] |
jurov | oh corpses were updated | [18:53] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah | [18:53] |
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BingoBoingo | Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition | [18:54] |
trinque | damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions. | [18:55] |
phf | jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject | [18:59] |
BingoBoingo | trinque: Could be just angry over political health clinic spam | [19:00] |
trinque | lol | [19:00] |
trinque | poor guy's @aol.com overfloweth | [19:01] |
jurov | phf but it's std::map not some boostism | [19:01] |
jurov | are you telling me boost modifiest std:: stuff behavior? | [19:02] |
phf | jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status | [19:03] |
phf | jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data | [19:04] |
jurov | ikr? but i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work | [19:04] |
jurov | i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called | [19:06] |
phf | jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx | [19:09] |
phf | but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening. | [19:11] |
phf | last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole | [19:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26152 @ 0.0005052 = 13.212 BTC [+] {2} | [19:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050723 = 7.4816 BTC [+] {3} | [19:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44932 @ 0.0005095 = 22.8929 BTC [+] {5} | [19:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24468 @ 0.00051032 = 12.4865 BTC [+] {2} | [19:51] |
jurov | just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too... | [19:51] |
phf | jurov: can paste file:line for those? | [19:53] |
jurov | just grep "static map" and "static set" yourself | [19:54] |
phf | kk | [19:54] |
jurov | O.o how is it possible to have static variable inside if statement? | [19:55] |
phf | jurov: by the way, in addition to static things, there's also top level globals | [20:02] |
jurov | you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much | [20:03] |
phf | what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or? | [20:05] |
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jurov | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this | [20:07] |
assbot | Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe) | [20:07] |
jurov | i mean both, generally | [20:08] |
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jurov | !up ascii_field | [20:10] |
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jurov | hello | [20:10] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332485 << quite exactly | [20:11] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 23:02:04; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this | [20:11] |
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phf | jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use. | [20:13] |
ascii_field | every tx received eats a measurable qty of ram which is NEVER reclaimed | [20:13] |
jurov | phf i know! | [20:14] |
ascii_field | in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator) | [20:14] |
ascii_field | this results in fiery crash | [20:14] |
ascii_field | because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit | [20:15] |
ascii_field | (there is not a safe way to forget a tx) | [20:15] |
jurov | yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared | [20:16] |
ascii_field | aha. | [20:16] |
ascii_field | now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did | [20:16] |
ascii_field | and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost | [20:17] |
phf | jurov: i thought you said that it did get called? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332468 | [20:17] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called | [20:17] |
ascii_field | i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens | [20:17] |
jurov | phf yes but that were stack operations. i then filtered them | [20:18] |
phf | jurov: ah k | [20:19] |
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jurov | and how does the map know there are outstanding references? | [20:20] |
ascii_field | phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition) | [20:21] |
ascii_field | it did not work. | [20:21] |
ascii_field | jurov: outstanding references ? | [20:22] |
jurov | or why does it not destroys the transactions | [20:22] |
ascii_field | clear doesn't invoke destructors | [20:22] |
ascii_field | just nukes the map | [20:22] |
ascii_field | but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash. | [20:23] |
jurov | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0" | [20:23] |
assbot | map::clear - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSOYs4 ) | [20:23] |
ascii_field | the CONTAINER | [20:23] |
ascii_field | of size 0 | [20:23] |
ascii_field | the ELEMENTS of the map are destroyed | [20:23] |
ascii_field | that is to say, the key-value pairs | [20:23] |
ascii_field | not the objects point to by the values. | [20:24] |
phf | there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop? | [20:25] |
ascii_field | me. | [20:25] |
phf | ah and that does the crash? | [20:25] |
ascii_field | yes. | [20:25] |
phf | kk | [20:25] |
ascii_field | go, try. | [20:25] |
ascii_field | this is a 10 minute experiment. | [20:25] |
ascii_field | incidentally it isn't a locking bug either | [20:26] |
ascii_field | i did try locking the removal | [20:26] |
ascii_field | the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero | [20:27] |
ascii_field | my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite. | [20:27] |
ascii_field | not so i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in | [20:27] |
ascii_field | but if other folks want to take their turn in the manhole - sure, why not... | [20:28] |
ascii_field | jurov, phf: i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME | [20:29] |
ascii_field | i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon | [20:29] |
jurov | CInPoint refers to CTransaction, thus mapNextTx should be erased before mapTransactions | [20:29] |
ascii_field | but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive | [20:29] |
jurov | the jettison patch had it the other way | [20:29] |
ascii_field | jurov: didja try this ? | [20:30] |
jurov | did you? i'm still putting it all together | [20:30] |
ascii_field | iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool | [20:31] |
ascii_field | in my last experiment | [20:31] |
jurov | yes, but was mapNextTx deallocated at that time? | [20:34] |
ascii_field | btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0514 | [20:36] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332399 << l0l where didja think it went?? | [20:39] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 16:39:23; mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ? | [20:39] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet | [20:40] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 15:34:04; punkman: http://www.hacker10.com/internet-anonymity/police-plants-own-computers-in-freenet-makes-arrest/ | [20:40] |
ascii_field | the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!' | [20:40] |
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phf | !up ascii_field | [20:41] |
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ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332373 << this kind of thing is about usg getting ~stronger~ | [20:42] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 03:49:58; deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/ | [20:42] |
ascii_field | usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln. | [20:42] |
ascii_field | !s gendarmerie | [20:42] |
assbot | 24 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie | [20:42] |
ascii_field | ^ part of this, but certainly not all | [20:42] |
punkman | freenet design makes a lot more sense than tor | [20:43] |
punkman | who knows what horrors lie in its source code though | [20:43] |
ascii_field | it was a 'fortress built to fall' | [20:44] |
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ascii_field | punkman: what about it makes more sense ? | [20:44] |
punkman | ascii_field: static content for example | [20:45] |
ascii_field | borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores; | [20:45] |
ascii_field | ' | [20:45] |
punkman | also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc | [20:45] |
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trinque | wtf | [20:56] |
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jurov | ascii_field: you meant this? http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html | [21:01] |
assbot | [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6it9 ) | [21:01] |
mod6 | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html | [21:02] |
assbot | [BTC-dev] Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6nx5 ) | [21:02] |
mod6 | ah, nm | [21:03] |
mod6 | if you get that igprof patch working jurov, let me know. | [21:04] |
ascii_field | jurov: aha | [21:04] |
mod6 | i think mine compiled ok with it. | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,stats | [21:04] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 385653 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332451 << bonus points if it turns out lone gunman was reading the logs ? | [21:06] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 21:46:14; assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) | [21:06] |
jurov | !up lonegunman | [21:06] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1332217 << legit how ? | [21:07] |
ascii_field | i am always astonished when folks ask question like this | [21:07] |
assbot | Logged on 26-11-2015 20:20:07; thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit? | [21:07] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332465 << o.O | [21:09] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 21:57:56; phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332476 < yes. | [21:10] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 22:46:25; jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too... | [21:10] |
deedbot- | [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b23 | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | the usage of statics in that pile is still not understood [in its implications]. stands as a major sore point to this very day, six years later. | [21:11] |
ascii_field | where ~isn't~ the sore point | [21:11] |
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jurov | !up ascii_field | [21:12] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah, one of these days we'll make a sore point list of things, as a necessary [early] step towards printable btc. | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | nevertheless, im not equal to that task today | [21:13] |
jurov | wart on wart | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when i do so and so this is the bt resultant". | [21:14] |
assbot | Logged on 27-11-2015 23:20:05; ascii_field: yes. | [21:14] |
ascii_field | even far more modest goal like 'doesn't consume infinite ram' is far beyond reach. | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | a nude yes is guaranteed to miss things. | [21:14] |
jurov | igprof won't work with stator, i guess? | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | i never tried. | [21:15] |
ascii_field | at one point i considered bolting on stroustrup's 'smart pointers' thing but gave up in disgust | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work. | [21:16] |
ascii_field | jurov: absolutely works | [21:16] |
ascii_field | jurov: gotta compile in the hooks | [21:16] |
ascii_field | aha | [21:16] |
ascii_field | actually the only reason i logged on presently was to help jurov | [21:16] |
jurov | the patch adds -l dl to LIBS | [21:16] |
ascii_field | because there is actually not a good record of the last thing i did | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, we kinda lack a process for this. | [21:17] |
ascii_field | jurov: i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc | [21:17] |
ascii_field | consult the docs | [21:17] |
ascii_field | the process used to be me elaborately chronicling my travails on the ml | [21:19] |
ascii_field | but right now there is not a process, no. | [21:19] |
-CheckDavid- | heyo, can i haz da voice for a bit? | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | !up CheckDavid | [21:19] |
-assbot- | You voiced CheckDavid for 30 minutes. | [21:19] |
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CheckDavid | thanks mircea_popescu | [21:19] |
CheckDavid | So Gyft has a 25% discount on giftcards? How can one take good advantage of the offer? | [21:19] |
CheckDavid | ANy ideas from the great minds in here? | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | !down CheckDavid | [21:19] |
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ascii_field | there is a dismal ru version of the 'sword in the stone' sorta legend | [21:20] |
ascii_field | where there is a little iron ring in the earth | [21:20] |
ascii_field | and a sign, telling strong men 'pull with all your might' | [21:20] |
ascii_field | and most tried, grunted, gave up | [21:20] |
ascii_field | but one mega-hero, pulled, pulled, PULLED | [21:20] |
ascii_field | until he ended up buried entirely in the earth. | [21:20] |
mod6 | <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator, i guess? << i'm trying to recall the details... but i think it compiled ok iirc, but when I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env) I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year. | [21:20] |
gribble | Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | derp | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | !rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year. | [21:20] |
assbot | CheckDavid is not registered in WoT. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | da fuck already. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field you knwo the oglaf variant ? | [21:21] |
ascii_field | can't recall | [21:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/noblesse/ | [21:21] |
assbot | Noblesse Obligee ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBz5o ) | [21:21] |
ascii_field | l0lz | [21:22] |
mod6 | anyway, i need to give the IgProf hooks another try in a different, nongentoo env and see. | [21:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051363 = 3.6468 BTC [+] {2} | [21:23] |
ascii_field | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/4a/05/814a05e03a05331cb13f7b4bbd43e11e.jpg | [21:23] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBFdd ) | [21:23] |
ascii_field | ^ the hero, svyatogor | [21:23] |
mircea_popescu | isn't ogor ground/land/something ? | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | the hero HolyPlot | [21:26] |
phf | svyato-gor | [21:26] |
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ascii_field | theoretically, 'sviato' == holy; 'gor' ~= 'of mountains' | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | a | [21:28] |
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mircea_popescu | !up TwinWinNerD | [21:36] |
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phf | what i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case, i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation | [21:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049712 = 3.629 BTC [-] {2} | [21:37] |
ascii_field | phf: in this particular case, there is also another thing - whether the problem is solvable without committing 'power rangerism' and mutilating the patient beyond recognition into a monstrous chimera | [21:40] |
BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/ << Captured? | [21:41] |
assbot | Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 5) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK ) | [21:41] |
ascii_field | presently i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this | [21:41] |
ascii_field | (and it HAS to be cured before pogo can be a thing) | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | not all tumours are operable, is the sad fact of biology. | [21:41] |
ascii_field | aha. | [21:42] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!" | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | gotta distinguish these cuz the second's no good. | [21:43] |
phf | one thing that i see happening here is a subtrate problem, i.e. oh boost is crap gotta use std c++, oh c++ is crap gotta use lisp, oh lisp is hosted on unix, gotta host on bare metal, oh bare metal is crap gotta vhdl our own cpu, oh can't do our own cpu because 3 factories. i'm not sure where that leaves us exactly | [21:49] |
phf | in this case "broken because of boost" is more like a description of an OSI layer, i.e. uknowable things are happening somewhere in the datastructures level of things | [21:50] |
felipelalli | BingoBoingo, I just sent you an email with my first Qntra article. Good luck to me :) | [21:50] |
BingoBoingo | ty | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | that leaves up shit creek looking for a job. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | if experience's any guide. | [21:51] |
phf | kek | [21:52] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: Please reformat and resubmit as per http://trilema.com/lacessiveram-editor | [21:54] |
assbot | Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io4Efa ) | [21:54] |
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felipelalli | BingoBoingo, thank you! I'll read. | [22:03] |
jurov | for the record: igprof won't work with stator, must change STATIC=all to STATIC=1 in stator.sh to get dynamic executable at final link time | [22:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00049815 = 1.8033 BTC [+] {2} | [22:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12392 @ 0.00049816 = 6.1732 BTC [+] | [22:16] |
felipelalli | BingoBoingo, I did not understand the item 4, how can I create a link? | [22:19] |
felipelalli | Another question: strong, em etc. are HTML tags? | [22:19] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: With tgs | [22:19] |
felipelalli | Understood! | [22:19] |
BingoBoingo | felipelalli: yes, use , etc | [22:20] |
BingoBoingo | Any no non sensical line breaks | [22:20] |
felipelalli | are you talking about e.g.? |
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felipelalli | I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent. | [22:29] |
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BingoBoingo | brb | [22:31] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.sidesinspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/surprised-koala.jpg | [22:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tivb3S ) | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4327 @ 0.00049712 = 2.151 BTC [-] {2} | [22:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00049711 = 1.9899 BTC [-] | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha kickass. | [22:43] |
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punkman | http://i.imgur.com/UBLi3O3.jpg bee boop | [22:54] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1kYeShF ) | [22:54] |
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deedbot- | [Trilema] Saturday Night Fever - http://trilema.com/2015/saturday-night-fever/ | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | for the record, mega article ^ imo | [23:01] |
mod6 | i feel like I have to watch it now lol | [23:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10290 @ 0.00049643 = 5.1083 BTC [-] {2} | [23:21] |
punkman | watched Un Prophete the other day, pretty damn good | [23:21] |
trinque | I just watched one of the dance scenes on youtube; Travolta is *awful*. | [23:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00049467 = 3.1209 BTC [-] | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | utterly/ | [23:25] |
phf | parents were telling me how saturday night was like the coolest movie in soviet uniont. nobody have seen it, but everyone talked about it. having a leisure suite from checkoslovakia was the pinnacle, etc. mom finally watched it in early 2000s, reaction was "wtf is this shit" | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | i am sure it was the coolest movie in the soviet union. | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | for specifically this reason : it is the direct equivalent to the set of euler's axioms. | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | the flesh in the west was starting to build a new socialism, and the flesh in the east wanted what flesh always wants. | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | s/euler/euclid/ wtf. | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | the irony implicit being that had she watched it in 1978, she'd have thought it unspeakably great. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | apparently censorship is not all bad. | [23:29] |
trinque | watched Forrest Gump again last night with a similar morbid curiousity. in it, he's the "hero" for no other reason than he is maximally obedient. he's the perfect american. | [23:34] |
trinque | who needs official propaganda when it spews from every orifice? | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | could we say the same of blood ? air ? | [23:35] |
trinque | I don't follow | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | "who needs blood when it spews from every orifice". seems like that's when you need it the most | [23:37] |
trinque | ah | [23:38] |
phf | same people who thought themselves inoculated from soviet propaganda, fell for western one hook line and sinker | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | i happen to think the same is true of propaganda, even though it's an ideal object. by the time it's ubiquitous, the thing's going to shit. propaganda storm is a reflection of developing propaganda resistance. | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | phf well, you know, onoculated from propaganda, what's that even. "i'm done with love" ? | [23:39] |
phf | well, our rocket is made of cardboard, but their jeans are made of american dream | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | oh where is that great song | [23:40] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBQUiEIsC1U | [23:41] |
assbot | Invidia [PLANETA MOLDOVA] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SonZ5u ) | [23:41] |
trinque | hm, this is relevant to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325981 | [23:41] |
assbot | Logged on 17-11-2015 22:29:08; mircea_popescu: why are usians dumb ? | [23:41] |
trinque | to which I've been giving a great deal of thought since. | [23:41] |
trinque | perhaps propaganda hole's clogged | [23:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049467 = 10.3633 BTC [-] {2} | [23:46] |
phf | hehe that's a catchy song | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | "io-atita ma mindresc, io-atita ma mindresc si va spun : decit englez or neamt, franzuz, american mai bine, mai bine moldovan" | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | ie, i'm so very proud and i tell ya : rather than english or german, french or american, you're better off moldavian. | [23:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00049555 = 4.1131 BTC [+] | [23:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049555 = 4.0635 BTC [+] | [23:53] |
phf | that seems to tie with a broader point that once something is named, it's already over. propaganda storm is kind of like grabbing onto something stationary while in a current, and realizing that there's a current to beging with, and that it's possibly strong. | [23:54] |
trinque | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-04-2015#1103915 | [23:56] |
assbot | Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit | [23:56] |
trinque | pretty hilarious sentence by Citizenfile there, too. | [23:56] |
trinque | *five | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | propaganda storm most closely resembles insulin fatigue i'd say. | [23:57] |
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